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[0:02] And authority building, which is what I would think you'd best know, that will help
[0:06] locally.
[0:07] Professionals keep hearing the same advice, post less, only post when you have something
[0:14] important to say, focus on quality, over quantity, but what if that advice is actually slowing
[0:23] your authority growth?
[0:26] Today, we are breaking down one of the biggest debates in content marketing should
[0:32] professionals post more or post better.
[0:36] And more importantly, what are you actually trying to accomplish?
[0:42] Welcome back to Authority Matters.
[0:44] I'm Leann Lyon, and this is our series from the Legal Podcast Network.
[0:49] And now the Authority Podcast Network as well, where we break down how authority gets built
[0:56] online through founder-led media, personal branding, and strategic content.
[1:04] In series one, the first four episodes, we talked about why authority matters.
[1:09] Now we're getting practical.
[1:11] Series two is all about how authority gets built in real life.
[1:16] And today, we're tackling one of the most common questions professionals ask.
[1:21] How often should I actually post?
[1:25] I am joined, as always, by Dennis, DM Meador, founder of the Legal Podcast Network, and
[1:32] the Authority Podcast Network, and better known around here as Bam Bam.
[1:40] And now it's time to Bam.
[1:43] Let's get into it.
[1:45] There's a lot of advice floating around online right now, DM.
[1:50] Post less, focus on quality, don't post just for the sake of posting.
[1:55] Do you agree?
[1:57] No, not at all.
[1:58] I don't know where this urban legend came from.
[2:03] There is no algorithmic proof.
[2:07] In spite of what I see some people say on LinkedIn, there's no algorithmic proof that creating
[2:13] scarcity and content makes it more valuable.
[2:16] I mean, that's essentially the premise of that.
[2:20] By creating scarcity with your own content, it makes it more valuable.
[2:23] And no, I totally disagree.
[2:25] And I will say this, one of my favorite ways to debate is when I just present my side.
[2:30] I seem to always win that way, and so I'm ready to present my side.
[2:34] And people can debate me in the comments.
[2:36] They can debate me on some sort of social media, you know, whatever, but hey, like the proof
[2:41] is in the revenue.
[2:44] And yeah, I'm all ears here as a content creator as well, right?
[2:48] Like this is a big, big topic.
[2:51] So you talk a lot about cultivation versus chasing.
[2:56] How does posting frequency connect to that idea?
[3:01] Well, I think most people see content in kind of like the old world media and marketing.
[3:09] So to them, content is about posting this thing.
[3:15] And they may content the destination, not the journey on someone else's destination.
[3:22] And so what ends up happening is they create this piece of content or they create this concept
[3:27] and they come out with it.
[3:29] And then it's like they think that it just needs to sit there, kind of like a newspaper ad.
[3:36] And it's like flat and you read it.
[3:38] And you need to read it a thousand times and then it'll finally go into your head.
[3:42] And that's the thought process I personally think behind don't post too often blah, blah,
[3:47] blah.
[3:48] Is that yeah, I mean, yes, if you're posting something static that's self-serving,
[3:52] that's all about you over and over, then yeah, go ahead and just post it every once in a while.
[3:58] But if you're actually creating content that is of value and connects with people and helps
[4:04] them along their journey, whatever that journey is, or takes them along on your journey,
[4:10] I don't think that you need to be worried about the how often you post as much as the
[4:17] methodology, the systems, and the message that you're posting itself.
[4:22] So then you're saying basically that frequency creates trust.
[4:27] Yes, I mean, I think it does with the right balance.
[4:30] I mean, again, if you're just posting, you've got five ads somebody made for you and you
[4:36] know, oh, this is my car crash thing and I'm going to post it eight times a day, that's
[4:42] not going to create trust.
[4:44] But if you're telling a story throughout the day or throughout your content, then posting
[4:50] however many times a day, three, once eight, every three days, whatever it is, then that takes
[4:58] people along.
[4:59] And so you're not worried about the cadence, again, as much as you are about the message.
[5:06] So does it matter what platform we're talking about in this case?
[5:10] So I personally am platform agnostic.
[5:12] I think there are some asterisks to that.
[5:15] But here's the way that I think about it, everyone, oh, I'm business to business.
[5:20] So I'm only going to, I'm only going to post on LinkedIn because that's where my audience
[5:24] is.
[5:25] I hear that all the time.
[5:26] That's where my audience is.
[5:28] Here's the thing.
[5:29] Yes, that, that one particular platform, whatever it is, might have a higher concentration
[5:36] of your audience than other places.
[5:40] But there's two things to consider in that.
[5:42] Number one, you've got to think about the fact that if you know that's where your audience
[5:47] is, guess who else knows where that all your audience is, your competitors.
[5:52] And so you are entering a much more competitive place to reach people.
[6:00] So it's a semi crowded market with people that are trying to reach the same target audience.
[6:06] Secondly, when you kind of take that into consideration, so now let's say, I only post
[6:13] on on LinkedIn because that's where my, you know, that's where my audience is, okay?
[6:18] But if you go to meta, so your Facebook, Instagram, mouth threads, and you go to here and you're
[6:24] like, okay, 30% of my Facebook followers are my ideal client profile.
[6:31] And maybe there's, you know, you have a thousand followers here and over here, you have 500
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[6:35] and only 10% of them are, you know, whatever 10% of them fit your ideal client profile.
[6:43] Well, if you stack several other places that have 10%, you can double your audience with
[6:54] of your ICP, your ideal client profile, not insane clown policy, you can double your ICP
[7:00] and that's second half that you're going after is a lot less competitive.
[7:06] So I can go into one spot where 50 people are trying to go after 100 or I can go to 10 spots
[7:11] where I'm the only person going after 10 and each of them.
[7:15] And where am I more likely to be successful?
[7:17] Sure, I have to be in the first spot, but I should probably be in spots two through 11 as
[7:22] well.
[7:23] Now, somebody might, listening might say, well, DM, come on, nobody wants more bad content.
[7:29] So where does quality fit into all this?
[7:31] I mean, do we just repose somebody's silly meme or do we have to come up with like life-changing
[7:38] content every other day?
[7:41] What's your thoughts?
[7:42] First of all, how you source your content is probably the biggest drag or can be the biggest
[7:50] drag.
[7:51] If you sit down every day and you just go, and I don't mean drag like, ah, it's a drag man,
[7:55] but like a drag down on your systems.
[7:59] So like if you sit down in the morning and you go, okay, LinkedIn, what am I going to
[8:02] bless you with today?
[8:05] I did read that one article last night about this and I did have that one friend text me
[8:10] about that.
[8:11] And oh, I had that thing where my kid ate ice cream and it was cute.
[8:14] I could probably turn that into a business story.
[8:17] Then yeah, it's going to be hard to post regularly with some sort of value and some sort
[8:23] of story behind it.
[8:25] What I have found is the more you can incorporate content creation as part of your everyday life,
[8:34] the better, like for example, like with my team when I do trainings and when I do team meetings,
[8:40] everything's recorded.
[8:42] And so my team takes and I have somebody, or you know, I could be doing it as well, I can
[8:47] look over the transcripts and be like, oh, that's a good little spot and I can use that.
[8:51] So that's one way that I'll see a post and I'll be like, oh, I'll be like, oh, that's
[8:56] pretty cool.
[8:57] Like, wait, didn't I just talk to Rochelle about that like last Thursday?
[9:01] I was like, oh, this is the post.
[9:04] So that's one way that, you know, I get a lot of content out of just my everyday life.
[9:09] I'm not thinking about content.
[9:11] I'm just being myself talking about the things I talk about and content comes out of it.
[9:17] The other thing is I do a ton of voice notes.
[9:20] Maybe to the person that it has to do with, but sometimes that ends up being content
[9:24] or I'll, I'll file it into content thoughts.
[9:28] So I'll be sitting there and I have to be careful though, like with my wife, because she kind
[9:31] of gets a little light like, this is our
time.
[9:34] So I'll be like, post about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, what do you
[9:38] do?
[9:39] I'll be like, oh, I was just nothing, honey, but you know, so, but like, because of the way
[9:44] my, my mind works, like because we all think of something and then later we're like, what
[9:49] was I thinking about last night?
[9:52] Was it, um, and then you forget it?
[9:55] And so it's a lot easier to create good content when it's just a flow from who you are naturally
[10:03] in your everyday life versus a task that you sit down or you have to purposefully do, you're
[10:11] going to put yourself into writer's block 75% of the time.
[10:15] And so yes, good quality content comes from a place of a natural flow of who we are and
[10:23] what we're doing while we're doing it.
[10:26] And so capturing that as much as possible is the most, is the easiest way.
[10:31] And like this really just goes back to like the Gary V method that we've seen for a dozen
[10:36] or more years.
[10:37] Like how does Gary V have so much content?
[10:40] He's got three freaking cameras following him everywhere.
[10:43] Like, you know, he's just sitting in his car and he just has the thought and he looks
[10:46] over to his cameraman and he starts blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[10:49] Well, I can't afford, nor do I really want three cameraman following me through the grocery
[10:53] store, right?
[10:54] But what I can do is when that thought kind of comes, I can capture it and use it.
[11:00] Absolutely.
[11:02] So with regards to that, I mean, you're kind of content creating all the time and I know
[11:07] we'll get into this in other episodes.
[11:09] But what, I mean, what about pre planning content or pre posting content?
[11:15] What are your thoughts with that then?
[11:16] I mean, those who don't plan plan to fail, right?
[11:19] I think that most everything we post here, there is room for, for inspiration inside of
[11:29] structure.
[11:30] So I think you have to have structure with room for good things to happen.
[11:34] And I mean, the simple analogy is sports, right?
[11:38] You have a certain play where this guy goes here and this girl goes there and this happens
[11:42] and that happens and it results in this.
[11:44] But then in the midst of that, an opportunity comes or something pops up and the person does
[11:50] something and people are like, wow, so inspiration came in a moment of structure.
[11:56] And honestly, the easiest way for inspiration to come is through structure.
[12:00] And I think most of us don't, we hear that.
[12:03] We kind of might burst a little bit, but that's reality.
[12:06] If you have a structure that you work within, then you don't have to be afraid that that
[12:13] moment of inspiration will be something that is, it doesn't put pressure on that moment
[12:20] of inspiration.
[12:21] It just comes.
[12:22] So what's the danger of waiting until everything is perfect?
[12:27] Well, because that, that point never comes like, I can't tell you the number of times,
[12:33] you know, we triple check and then send our stuff to our clients and they have people
[12:38] that check.
[12:39] So we like triple check content.
[12:41] I always like to use this illustration like I remember I was in the ministry for a number
[12:46] of years and I know I've showed this with you, but I don't know if I've shared on this podcast.
[12:50] And I remember we would buy these Bibles and every once in a while, you know, we'd buy
[12:54] a Bible and someone would come up and be like, there's a typo in this Bible.
[12:59] And I'm thinking that we always use the King James version, which was came out in 1611.
[13:03] So we're talking about 400 years ago.
[13:07] This thing came out.
[13:08] Now they've revised it based on English and things like that a little bit.
[13:12] So here we are 400 years later with a book that's been written, that's been read countless
[13:17] times and yet still every once in a while, something gets through and there's an error.
[13:23] So if we can't get it right after 400 years, why are you rating around for four hours, four
[13:28] days, four months or four years?
[13:30] Just look at it, get it double checked, get it out.
[13:34] And if you mess it up, they've got this beautiful thing on social media called the edit button.
[13:40] And if it's in your videos and things like that, listen, it's never been a greater time
[13:46] to be a human because the more humanity we show in our content, the more likely it is to
[13:53] be consumed.
[13:54] I was just telling somebody just the other day, sometimes you end up like editing out
[14:02] or editing things so much that people would be like, was that AI?
[14:07] Was that even a real person?
[14:09] And it's like, why is that?
[14:11] Because we have come to expect humanity and we actually crave it now because we're looking
[14:16] inside of machines to connect to other people.
[14:19] So mistakes are actually the preferred form of content like viable mistakes, right?
[14:27] Not like big, huge ones, but mistakes are not just accepted but preferred in what we're
[14:36] doing now.
[14:37] Actually, I'm going to tie on to that one.
[14:39] When somebody, when I edit videos now is popping up, do you want to remove all the space, all
[14:45] the ums, all the odds, all the, you know, and I'm often saying no, I don't want to.
[14:51] I judiciously will remove some of those, but I keep a lot of them in.
[14:56] Is that what you're talking about?
[14:58] Partially, yes, but even a typo, even like on a, on a post, you know, on whatever social
[15:05] media outlet, and you see that there's a little tiny typo, like sometimes I'll correct it,
[15:10] but sometimes I'm like, you know what, I put an end between the eye and the T. So it doesn't
[15:14] say it.
[15:15] It says int.
[15:16] Okay.
[15:17] Like, I'm okay with that because again, like in a way, I'm more scotting other humans that
[15:24] hey,
a real person wrote this because perfection is the, the new plastic, like we, we have more
[15:31] respect for humanity because that's what we relate to.
[15:35] Then we do perfection now and five years ago, I wouldn't have been able to say this by the
[15:39] way.
[15:40] Oh, yeah.
[15:41] Yeah.
[15:42] No, I absolutely agree with you.
[15:44] And I love that you actually leave the typos in.
[15:46] I tend to still go back and correct them, but, you know, if it's a gross one, if it, if it,
[15:52] if it, if people read it, or if it's something that could be interpreted, obviously like you
[15:56] want to do that, but something small that, again, I, I call that more scotting humanity.
[16:01] I like that.
[16:03] Great term.
[16:04] Well, let's make this practical.
[16:06] How often do you think professionals should be posting?
[16:11] It depends on a few variables, but honestly, as often as you feel comfortable, if once
[16:18] a day is something that kind of, or maybe as often as you feel slightly uncomfortable, maybe
[16:24] that's a better thing to say, because I think if I say as often as you're comfortable,
[16:27] people like, once a year is going to do, that'll work for me.
[16:30] You know, once a week, that'll, that'll, that works, you know, so, but as often as you feel
[16:35] comfortable, that you don't feel like you're forcing something.
[16:41] If things are flowing from you, because you've captured them in the moment versus you've
[16:45] created them when you had to sit down and quote unquote, create, then yeah, like LinkedIn.
[16:51] And right now I'm in LinkedIn jail, hopefully soon, by the time this comes out, I'll be out
[16:55] of it.
[16:56] Basically my VA logged in while I was in and they were like, oh, you can't have them more
[16:58] than one user.
[16:59] And so I've been in, in LinkedIn jail for two weeks, hopefully we'll be out soon, hopefully
[17:04] by the time this goes out, we'll be, we'll be out of it, I think in the next day or two.
[17:08] But there are days when we have scheduled content every day, one, two, three posts.
[17:16] I think it's three posts.
[17:17] So I think we went three to two, back to three or wherever we're at, but we have scheduled
[17:22] content that goes out for me.
[17:24] And these are me, you know, it's me on video.
[17:26] It's me that something I did a while ago, it's whatever.
[17:28] But then sometimes I'm just like sitting there and I'm thinking about something and I'm like,
[17:32] you know what?
[17:33] And I just will post it right on LinkedIn.
[17:35] Sometimes I post it on LinkedIn an hour ago.
[17:37] Oh, you're going to tell the other, you're going to confuse the algorithm.
[17:39] It's like, I'm going to confuse the algorithm by posting twice in two hours.
[17:44] No, it's not going to happen.
[17:46] But sometimes they'll both pop off.
[17:49] Sometimes the thing before will pop off, you know, like we don't know.
[17:54] And people who tell you like people who tell you they know exactly how the algorithm works.
[18:00] And they can guarantee virality are the same people that sell lottery winning number books.
[18:05] So they're like the same camp of people.
[18:08] Now are the chances one in 178 million blah, blah, blah,
[18:12] a thousand that you'll be, that you'll get good, you know, response from your content.
[18:17] No, but I put stuff out there and been like, yeah, I'll put this out there.
[18:23] And it's just like everybody's like, yeah, I think it's like two people ping me
[18:27] and they're like, I want to work with you.
[18:28] And I'm like, and then I'll have something where I'm like, this piece of content right here,
[18:33] and I think it might change humanity.
[18:37] I mean, it comes from the universe has blessed my mind with this piece of content.
[18:43] And I put it out.
[18:44] And it's like, like one person likes it.
[18:48] And that's Rochelle works for me and that's her job.
[18:51] You know what I mean?
[18:52] And I'm just like, what do you do?
[18:53] So I think at the end of the day, it's more about consistency and it's more about flow
[18:59] and systems than it is about one, two or three times a day.
[19:04] Yeah.
[19:05] And to point, I think a lot of people have to see something more than once.
[19:10] So if they have to see it, what's the number now?
[19:12] How many times would people have to see something before it starts to actually sink in?
[19:15] I mean, it depends on what metric you're looking at.
[19:18] But like in the sales industry, it's, it's 24 touches before they'll turn their head.
[19:23] It used to be just in the last five years, it's doubled.
[19:26] It used to be 12 touches.
[19:27] And in the last five years, it's, it's, it's doubled might even be higher now
[19:31] because I haven't checked it for about three or four months.
[19:33] But yeah, it's roughly 25, 24, 25 touches before people leave and turn their head.
[19:38] But here's the thing.
[19:39] And I was thinking about this and maybe this will fit later.
[19:42] I don't know, but content is a journey, not a destination.
[19:46] I said this just a few minutes ago.
[19:49] Some people on a journey, they want to get from point A to point B as quick as possible.
[19:56] So they're going to hop in, you know, the fastest flight from New York to LA.
[20:02] Now, some people, they like to take their time, they like to stop overnight here.
[20:07] They stop overnight there.
[20:08] You know, so we have to allow for the journey to, I've had some people who hear me on a podcast,
[20:15] go to the website, call us, get a demo that day, sign up that day.
[20:19] And they're in the podcast studio in three days.
[20:21] It has happened.
[20:22] I've also have some people that have followed me since day one.
[20:25] And they're like, well, I've now read 800 of your daily emails.
[20:29] And I've now, you know, watched 37 of your podcasts.
[20:32] And I've now seen your website.
[20:34] And I've now, I'm ready to
work with you.
[20:36] And I'm like, finally, you know, so we don't know other people's journey.
[20:40] And we have to allow for that again, we have to allow for humanity.
[20:45] It's not formulas that wins business.
[20:47] It's allowing for humans to find you in the way that is most comfortable for them.
[20:54] And just disc profile both of those people, by the way, 10% for the first one,
[21:00] 33% for the second one you mentioned, absolutely.
[21:04] And you know, if it takes 25 touches and you're only posting once a day,
[21:09] that's assuming you're posting the same content 25 times once a day.
[21:13] I mean, that's going to take a long time for some people to start as you said, turning their head.
[21:18] So everybody, everybody should have a core message.
[21:22] So, you know, so it's 25 touches.
[21:25] So everything revolves around that message, but it can't feel like it's the same like message.
[21:32] You don't post the same content 25 times, right?
[21:35] It's 25 like different touches.
[21:38] And I know you have another question, but I want to give this illustration.
[21:42] So just today, Rebecca, one of our show coordinators, she,
[21:49] we had somebody fill out an application to work with us.
[21:53] And we sent it to her and she goes, that's one of my leads.
[21:57] I had been calling them for like a month.
[21:58] They never pick up.
[21:59] They never answer.
[22:00] I think I've maybe got them on the line once and they were busy.
[22:03] And then they heard a podcast.
[22:06] And then they were like, okay, now I'm going to call these people.
[22:09] I'm going to meet with them and I want to work with them.
[22:11] So again, you know, you've got to have like all these different touch points.
[22:15] Your site, podcasts, you know, email, social media, all of these different touch points
[22:22] because certain people are going to only listen to some of those.
[22:25] Certain people are only going to be reached by all of those.
[22:29] And certain people are going to, you know, just stay along for the ride forever.
[22:34] Yep, absolutely.
[22:36] So somebody is trying to build authority over the next year.
[22:40] What should they focus on?
[22:42] They should be focusing on the message and the person they want to deliver it to
[22:49] because if they are otherwise, you're just wildly driving in no road map, no direction.
[22:56] You're just like, I hope I find a customer.
[22:58] You're like, opening your car, you're rolling down your window everywhere.
[23:00] You go, being some creek, are you my customer?
[23:03] You know, some little, some, some teenager on the side of the road.
[23:06] Are you my customer?
[23:07] Like, you can't be that creep pulling up in a van and saying, hey, are you my customer?
[23:13] Like you have to have a road map, you have to know your person.
[23:17] You have to know the people you work with and then you have to refine your message.
[23:22] But here's the thing that most people don't realize the message is already refined.
[23:26] You don't have to create a whole new persona, a whole new messaging structure,
[23:30] a whole new methodology to reach clients.
[23:34] You have to take what is already refined, which is for me, just flapping my gums, you know,
[23:40] just talking and you have to take that message.
[23:43] And then you have to package it correctly for the right audience.
[23:48] Beautiful. Well, it's time for our favorite part.
[23:51] The moment we've all been waiting for, another quick lightning round.
[23:55] Ready? Let's go.
[23:57] True, false or true? Give me your gut reaction.
[24:02] True or false, you should only post when you have something important to say.
[24:09] That is false. Quality always beats quantity.
[24:15] That is false. That is true. There's some nuance to that one.
[24:19] Go with that. Posting every day will annoy your audience.
[24:26] That is false. And listen to people that soldier that they don't understand.
[24:30] They don't understand where we are and where we've been for at least 10 years.
[24:35] Well, I just have to mention every social media does not push every one of your posts
[24:41] to every one of your followers right there, makes that false.
[24:46] Well, yeah. And we can talk about the algorithm and really geek out here,
[24:49] but just ask me the next question before I go on another team to please.
[24:53] Okay. A single viral post can build authority.
[24:58] That is. I want to give nuance to it.
[25:03] I'm going to say fruit because it's not entirely true or entirely false.
[25:08] Consistency is more important than perfection.
[25:12] That is true.
[25:15] Okay. And if I only have whoops, I've got two left.
[25:20] If I only have time for one post a week, I shouldn't bother.
[25:26] That's not true. A little bit of something is infinitely more valuable than a whole
[25:30] bunch and nothing. Excellent.
[25:32] And finally, most professionals dramatically underestimate how much content they need.
[25:40] That is very true. Very true. Okay. Well, thank you. It's funny to me.
[25:45] Can I just say this? Yeah. We admire people who post a hundred times more than we're
[25:52] willing to put like most of these people that we admire, the Bartlett, the GaryVee's,
[25:58] the whatever, whoever they literally have people that they're like hundreds of
[26:02] people that they outsource clip farming their stuff and they just throw their clips
[26:06] out there constantly, constantly, constantly. And yet we say, yeah, but for me, my
[26:11] content game is posting twice a week. No, it's not. I'm sorry. It's just not.
[26:17] Well, thank you for that great breakdown, DM. If there's one thing to take away
[26:21] from today's conversation, it's this authority isn't built by your next best
[26:28] piece of content. It is built by showing up consistently over time.
[26:35] This episode kicks off a brand new series all about authority in practice.
[26:40] The systems, the habits, the content strategies that actually drive growth
[26:46] because knowing why authority matters is one thing, but building it every week
[26:54] consistently is something else entirely. It's not a theory or a framework.
[27:00] We didn't record this just to hear ourselves talk. It's about how we actually
[27:06] build authority for our network and for our 200 plus clients in the network.
[27:11] And we want to help you grow even if you never work with us directly.
[27:16] So in the next episode, we are tackling another big question.
[27:21] Should you spend your time building your own audience or borrowing someone
[27:27] else's will break down the difference between owned audiences and borrowed
[27:32] audiences when podcasts, casting makes sense. And when it's time to build
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