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Hi, good morning.
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How are you doing today.
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I'm good, Thank you so much, Thanks so much for
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having me. How about yourself?
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Well, I'm very excited to share a conversation with you
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because I really do want to break something out. And
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I'm sure I'm not gonna be the only one that's
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going to say this. Why is it that I have
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seen all the reruns? I relived this during the COVID Lockdown.
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I watched it when it was in regular season religiously,
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because we you know, unless you had TVO or something
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like that and all of a sudden, But if you
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ask me about an episode, I'm gonna say I don't know.
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And I think it's because of the great writing that
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they did it in a way that kept saying come
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back you're going to see something else that you didn't
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see the last time. Just keep coming back. It doesn't
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matter how many times you come back.
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Yeah.
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I think that's one hundred percent true. And it is
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the rare show that I mean, I have watched I
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feel like, roughly one hundred, one hundred and fifty times and.
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I will still find that I didn't remember or that
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catch me off guard.
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And like, how often does that happen with the show
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where you're actually genuinely laughing after we've watched it a
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million times.
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Well, yeah, and a lot of the actors have gone
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on to become, you know, other things in life. So
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now I go back there for the nostalgia of it,
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and then I see those early stages where we were
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just being introduced to them, so I'm looking at it
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even through different eyes.
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Yeah, it's so when you go back to the first
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season and you see like Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield circle
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that time and when they were just sort of hopeful
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actors and they weren't big names, big household names.
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It's very surreal and fun to go back to that time.
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Because it was one of those shows that I'm gonna
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be honest with you, is that we turn it into
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a drinking game, because because you know that there was
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gonna be something on there, and before every episode we
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would say, watch out for this, and when this happens,
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time to drink. And it just became a and I
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think that was more of the community involvement in this
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neighborhood at least, is that we would all gather together,
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which is pretty freaky, but it was like a family.
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Can I ask what was the thing that made you
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guys drink the most when you were watching?
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What we would do is, first of all, when somebody
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would walk through the door and find out what their
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first words were, we would take a guess, you know,
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or somebody or if you were in there, and who
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would eat first, And because there was always food involved,
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or somebody coming into the scene out of the scene,
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and because I've always believed that if there's more than
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three people in a scene, it's too crowded for the viewers.
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So I sit there and go, oh my god, four
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people drink and so you know, so you'd break it
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down that way is what you would do.
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Well, And I think it was like on there end,
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what was so interesting was like an It became when
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there were so many of them in the loft.
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Those were the most challenging.
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Scenes because it was like, how do we service all
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of these characters, How do we make.
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Sure we're giving each of
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them a joke?
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How do we make sure there were shining light on
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like a pretty a pretty meaty cast right there.
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Wouldn't you say though, that maybe this could have been
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the very first show that didn't make us think of friends? When? When?
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Because because I mean everything, even you know, the one
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was something about your mother. I mean it was like
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I always thought of friends, but when I went into
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New Girl, it was like I never once had that
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feeling that I was looking that I was watching a
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copy show.
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I think that's so true.
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And as as a massive fan of Friends who finds
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friends references and everything, I don't see that in New Girl,
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which I think is a huge accomplishment. And I think
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the way that they approached it was so different from Friends.
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I think Friends was like extremely tightly written. There wasn't
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a lot of room for improv on set. They weren't
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working until like three in the morning. I mean, I
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don't think whereas with New Girl, like they were on
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set and hours and hours and they were had alt jokes.
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They had like one.
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Hundred alt jokes for every single joke in the script,
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and the actors were allowed to improv, and it was
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often like two am and they would say something insane
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and they were like thinking, there's no way this is
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going to make it into the show.
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And it was often those moments that made it into
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the show.
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See, and that explains why they have gone on to
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other bigger projects and we're starting to see them in
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movies and binge watches and stuff like that, because they've
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got that skill that it's like, you got that on
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your script. Okay, I can I can make that even
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greater than what it is.
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Yeah, I think. I remember I interviewed Max S.
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Greenfield when the show was ending, and he was saying
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that at this point, it's really hard to be
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by anything going into a show because it's like he's
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done everything.
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On the show and more.
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They did a lot of wacky stuff, a lot of
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really interesting stuff.
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So it's like he's sort of there. They gave they
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went to a much like college in a way.
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They had a whole curriculum of wild sitcom experiences.
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Now, didn't they break the rules when it comes to
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this sitcoms that ye mean, because you can go all
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the way back to Lucy and Desi and see how
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the rules were actually set. But then when you set
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those rules inside New Girl, it was like, oh, this
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is more than just what they said it, you know,
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put in order back then.
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Yeah, it definitely like there was just a lot of freedom.
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And I don't know if you were a Freaks and
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Geeks fan back in the day, but Jake Kasden, who
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directed on Freaks and Geeks, he brought this ethos which
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was sort of the Judd Apptau ethos of let's be
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really nimble on set and let's like have the script
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and respect the script, but let's have a bunch of jokes.
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Let's let he there was one scene where Schmidt and
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c c break up and it wasn't quite working in
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the script, so really he turned to the two actors
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and he said, just talk to each other, which is
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like really breaks the mold to let.
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Them kind of find the moment on set together.
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I gotta tell you one thing that my wife and
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I have talked about a billion times about New Girl
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as well as friends, we never once believed that was
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in they were in real apartments in New York didn't
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believe it ever, But the loft in New Girl, Why
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is it that I believe it existed and that it
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really was bigger than what we thought? And is it
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because it was in La versus New York.
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So I talked to the production designer who he built
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that loft, and he put so much You're completely right
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because he because he put so much research and detail
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into making it a realistic loft. He went to downtown
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la and he tore all these lofts and he brought
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all these different elements from the real life lofts into
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Apartment four D. Which is why I'm so glad you
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pick up on that, which is why it feels so
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real because he really did his research for it.
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If I could just go into four D one time,
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I guarantee that once I was in that loft, I
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would have every play by play inside my mind. Oh
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this is where you were standing, Oh this is where
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you said this, And because I wouldn't be normal if
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I walked in there.
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Yeah, I one hundred percent.
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I like I was sort of geeking out because that
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product designer, Jeff Sage, and also Michael White's white Stone Whitstone, Sorry,
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they sent me all these like maps and like floor
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plans of the loft and all these never before seen
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angles of the loft, like parts of it.
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I hadn't seen before angles, and I was just sort
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of like geeking out seeing all these photos of it.
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Please do not move.
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We're coming back with the A Glassman. We're still talking
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about New Girl, the name of the book, who's that girl?
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The untold, definitive history of New Girl. We are back
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with THEA Glassman. So now what was your connection, because
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I mean, you're taking us inside. I don't think I've
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ever seen a book like this before where you're giving
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us such a great view of one of the most
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amazing shows that we've had in our time period.
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Yeah, I so I had.
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Originally, my first book I wrote was about teen television shows.
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I went behind the scenes of seventeen TV shows and
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interviewed the cast, creators, writers, directors, and for this book,
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I I just I wanted to focus on one show.
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And when it comes to these kind of books, you
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have to live with these shows for.
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A really, really long time.
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And I was just trying to think and maybe you
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can relate to this is like, what is a show
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that you want to really live with and you want to,
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as you said, like sit in that loft every day
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and like talk to all the casts, talk to everybody
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behind the scenes. And New Girl was that show. So
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really it was a lot of it's kind of crazy,
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but a lot of cold emailing. So I emailed a
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lot of people who I had never spoken to before
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and just asked would they be open to talking to
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me talking to me for this book, And a lot
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of people really generously gave me their time.
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Do you realize that if the show was still being
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filmed today and Prince walked out there with a cameo,
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you know, we wouldn't believe that. We would say that
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it's AI technology. And that's one of the one of
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the rarest moments Intelligion history, is that before technology took over,
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the dude was really there.
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Yeah he was. I'm looking at my desktop now.
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I have all these pictures because we did a lot
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of behind the scenes pictures for the book, and it's
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Jake Johnson dressed in his flashbot. Couldn't you remember this
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where he like performed as Prince and it was surreal.
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Zoey Deschanel thought it was a prank when she got
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the email and it was it was just got an
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email from his manager that said, I am the manager
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of the legendary artist Prince.
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He would like to be on New Girl. And everyone
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was sort of very shocked. People gather, everyone from the
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cast and crew.
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They had been working till like two in the morning,
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they had been but everyone gathered to watch him perform.
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He like improvised bits on set, he like offered directions.
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He was like incredibly creative and almost sort of show
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ran his own episode.
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What's fascinating is the fact that he was there and
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and and because that tells me that that there was
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a human side to his personality. And to hear that
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he was improvising, that meant that he believed in the
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show enough that he could let down his guard and
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just be himself.
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Yes, and he loved Nick and Jess and he was
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so excited about being the.
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Person that was going to help them say I love
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you to each other. And he also so someone.
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Who Steve Welsh, who edited the episode, talked about when
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do you remember when Nick screams when he sees Prince
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for the first He said, Prince just started giggling, like
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the Prince is just like cracked up, so he like
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broke character immediately, and I just thought that so charming.
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That's so funny that you bring that up. Because there's
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a new commercial on TV that has the two dudes
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from from Scrubs and he's screaming on it. And you
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know that the first time that I heard that scream,
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I actually thought of Nick. I really swore to God,
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that's how much it is in my head and that
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and I haven't shaken it at all. But you hear
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a scream like that and you're going, oh, I know
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where they got that from. I know where they got
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is just amazing. Wow.
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So then let's talk about the show in the way
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of naturally, you know, wearing away the aches that we
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all had as viewers because the humor in it was
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tough love, and did we relate with the show that
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much that we said, if they're going through the tough love,
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if they're going through little situations of relationships, then I
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feel like that I'm no longer alone in the world.
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They are my family.
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dating and the struggles of dating and the finding yourself
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and not having any idea what you want to do
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for a living, and is your job the right fit?
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Like you mentioned Friends, and I think this Friends was
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really comforting because it made you feel seen and not alone,
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and I think that's why.
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It's still like such a beloved show.
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really making like life can be very messy when you're
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really young and have no idea who you are or
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who you want to end up with. And it did
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such a wonderful, realistic job of it. But it was
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also in sort of a heightened reality where it was
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really cozy and aesthetically pleasing, and they filmed it almost
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like a rom com, so you also kind of cozy
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and happy and like in a more heightened reality of
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your own.
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Listeners need to understand that what you have done with
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this book is something that we've never had, and that
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is is that you sat down with everybody. I mean,
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if you could have talked to the grips, I'm sure
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you should have. And the thing is is that you
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give us that real, honest to God picture and It's
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almost like, because I came from a family of eight kids,
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every one of us have a different story when it
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comes to being in the same family. And that's what
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I love about your book. Everybody has a different story
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or a different view of what took place on the set.
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I'm so glad you noticed that, and I so appreciate
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you notice that, Like everybody. And Michael Rozzoli, who was
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the first a d like we talked about the Prince episode.
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He was Prince's right hand man, and I was so
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delighted talking to him because he actually had the biggest
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portal and thro who Prince was because he was the
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one who Prince kept calling
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and kind of being like, who's that guy? Can I
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pitch him this idea? Can you get me a bullhorn?
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So exciting to hear all these different stories I don't
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think anybody had ever heard before because they hadn't been
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shared publicly.
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I love your dedication Anthony Rizzo and the Chicago Cubs,
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and then and then I love this and beIN too.
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I mean, don't forget about Ben. We got to get
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cut for that, but that was what Nick had done
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his dedication for.
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Uh user Zombies. That might have been a real deep cut,
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but I hope hopefully it lands.
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Was it fun putting it together, because I mean, your
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smile is so genuine it was.
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This was honestly like the biggest joy in honor of
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my life, Like there is there's nothing quite like talking
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to people who you admire greatly and getting to talk
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to them about like the nitty gritties of like how
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did you construct this joke or what was this improv
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like or even just like talking to Max Greenfield and
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Hannah Simone about that proposal scene and what their memories were.
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And so it was just very grateful. People took the
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time to go back into their memories. They sent me
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photos like from their scrap books, they sent me scripts
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like I was just like, was very grateful, and yeah,
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it was the joy of my lifetime to get to
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do this.
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I know we're out of time, but if I don't
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bring this up then people are gonna kick me in
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the left knee. The thing is is that if MTV
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would have been really super popular at that time, they
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would have had the best kiss Jess and Nick. That
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would have been the year's best kiss. And I just
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and you you really bring that out in this book,
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where yeah, it would have been it would have been
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the thing.
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That kiss. I'm glad you saw that.
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That kiss was incredible and it was so much fun
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to hear everybody's take and just how mysterious it was
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because not a lot of people knew it was going
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to happen. So the hair and makeup artists didn't even
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have their breath mits on.
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And so that was yes, And like that kiss holds up.
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I encourage anybody to rewatch it. It's it's electric.
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your book says that it's been seven years since the
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last episode, baloney, I've been cheating on you the entire time,
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the mood for it. But I love that about modern
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day television.
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Yeah, completely, like that show holds up And I love
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that apartment for me is just there for us. At
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all times, and I hope this book feels like a
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companion to it. It can kind of bring you back
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into that world anytime you want.
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Please come back to this show anytime in the future.
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The door is always going to be open for you.
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Fia Yushi, that's so much. Thank you so Much's such
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a pleasure getting to talk to you.
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You'd be brilliant today.
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Okay, thank you so much. Have a great one.
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Thank you.