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Imagine it's October 1929. You're strapped into a harness.
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Suspended 500 feet in the air deep in the mountains
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of South Dakota. You and your fellow powder men are
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setting dynamite charges to blast away chunks of the hard
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granite face of Mount Rushmore. You know, I don't know
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if I'll ever get used to these heights. Your stomach
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lurches as you glance below, but your partner just grins.
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It beats mining, fella. At least up here we've got
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to work in the fresh air. A gust of wind
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knocks your knees against a cliff face.
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God, we have fresh air. That's one way to put it.
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Glancing 30 feet to your right, you watch as a
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driller shakes violently from the force of the 50-pound jackhammer
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he's operating. It's the driller's job to dig three-foot holes
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into the rock, and it's your job to place sticks
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of dynamite inside them. You shake your head and turn
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back to your partner. All right, I think we only
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need a small explosion here.
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All right, here you go.
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Your partner hands you a two-inch stick of dynamite attached
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to a fine copper wire. You carefully place it inside
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the hole.
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All right, it's in. You got the sand?
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Your partner holds up a bucket. You scoop sand with
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a trowel and set to work packing it over the dynamite.
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You know, Jack, you really think we're going to be
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able to turn this rock into George Washington's face? At
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the moment, all I see is a lopsided egg. Oh,
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ye of little faith. Orglam knows what he's doing. They
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say he's the best sculptor in America. Is that what
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they say? Seems like you'd have to be crazy to
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think you could carve faces out of a side of
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a mountain. No, I didn't say he wasn't crazy. But
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think about how it'll feel when it's complete.
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I don't know.
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At the rate we're going, I'm not sure we'll live
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to see that. Your partner shrugs.
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Maybe, maybe not. But our kids will. Count me on that.
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You pack a final scoop of sand around the dynamite
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and yell up to the winch operators above.
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What's up, boys?
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You grip the steel cable, suspending you as the operator
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above hoists you and your partner to the top of
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the cliff. Once over the edge, you head over to
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the blasting machine and place your hands on the handle.
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All right, on my count.
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The other men place their fingers in their ears and nod.
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Three, two, one.
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You pull up the handle on the detonator, sending an
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electric current to the blasting caps below. All right.
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Well, let's get back to it.
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As the winch operator lowers you and your partner back
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down to place more charges, you let out a heavy sigh.
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This is grueling work, blasting away granite, only a few
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feet at a time. And you're led by a man
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who may be an artistic genius, but also seems like
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a lunatic. You can't help but wonder if this colossal
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carving will ever live up to his dream. Hi, I'm
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Lindsey Graham, the host of American History Tellers. In our
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latest series, in 1892, as millions of hopeful immigrants arrive
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on American shores, the United States opens a new immigration
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station on Ellis Island. But over time, some will find
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that the gates to the American dream are shut to them.
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Listen to American History Tellers on Audible or wherever you
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get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of
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the podcast American Scandal. Our latest series tells the story
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of college counselor Rick Singer, who thought he'd found a
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way to rig the admissions process for his wealthy clients
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scandal in American history. Listen to American Scandal on
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Audible or wherever you get your podcasts. From Wondery, I'm
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Lindsey Graham, and this is American History Tellers, Our History.
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your story. In the late 1920s, workers began blasting a
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granite cliff face in South Dakota's Black Hills, the first
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step in creating one of America's most enduring monuments. Mount
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Rushmore National Memorial features the sculpted heads of four American presidents,
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George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt. But
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the monument started out as something different entirely. It was
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created by a hard-charging sculptor, a man with an ego
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as big and brazen as the towering figures on the
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rock face. Gutzon Borglum had the talent, ambition, and stubborn
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drive to take on the colossal challenge. But his temperamental
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personality also threatened the project.
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At every turn.
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For 14 years, workers battled a harsh and remote landscape
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to blast and jackhammer nearly half a million tons of
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rock off the mountain. Along the way, Rushmore became an
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epic struggle for money, political support, and artistic independence. And
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from the very beginning, it sparked intense debate. For some,
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the sculpture was a shrine to democracy, a triumph of engineering,
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and a source of national pride. For others, it was
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a symbol of desecration, broken promises, and white supremacy. Nearly
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a century after its creation, Mount Rushmore remains as awe-inspiring
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and controversial as ever. This is Episode 3 of our
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six-part series on America's monuments, Four Faces. In 1889, South
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Dakota became the 40th state. Over the decades that followed,
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its residents continued to rely on farming, forestry, and mining
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to make their living. But by the 1920s, as cars
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transformed the economy, South Dakotans started looking for ways to
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boost tourism to their state. One of those boosters was
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state historian Doane Robinson, who cast his eye on the
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Black Hills
region. Its beauty, he felt, was unmatched, a
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rugged landscape of forests, lakes, and jagged granite peaks. But
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he worried that scenic vistas alone were not enough to
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lure Americans to this remote corner of the country. So
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in 1923, he led a new effort to attract visitors,
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telling state lawmakers that tourists soon get fed up on
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scenery unless it has something of special interest connected with
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it to make it impressive. And Robinson had an impressive idea.
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He wanted to carve a massive tribute to the American
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West in a cluster of granite pillars in the Black
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Hills called the Needles. He thought it would put South
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Dakota on the map. But Robinson knew that such a
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huge undertaking would require the right artist. Robinson had read
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about a Confederate memorial that was being carved into a
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mountainside in Georgia. He tracked down the man behind that project,
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a sculptor named Gutzon Borglum. In August 1924, he wrote
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to Borglum, asking whether a similar carving could be done
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in the Black Hills. Gutzon Borglum was himself a Westerner,
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born in Idaho in 1867 to Danish Mormon polygamists. He
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went on to study art in Paris, training under the
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celebrated sculptor Auguste Rodin. By the 1920s, the stocky, mustache
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Borglum was himself a famous sculptor, renowned for carving a
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bust of Abraham Lincoln that was displayed in the White House.
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He was friends with millionaires and politicians, including Leland Stanford
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and Theodore Roosevelt. He and his wife Mary raised their
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three children on a 500-acre Connecticut estate he christened Borgland,
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but his extravagant spending often landed him in debt. Borglum
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was a man who possessed all the characteristics carving a
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mountain required. Tremendous talent, perfectionism, and an enormous ego. Borglum's
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arrogance propelled him to take on projects few dared attempt,
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but his combative temperament made him difficult to work with.
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He thrived on conflict. One of his friends reflected, Gutzon
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was for war, for all sorts of war, six wars
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at a time. In August 1924, Borglum was working on
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the colossal Confederate memorial on Georgia's Stone Mountain. He had
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designed a 1,500-foot freeze featuring Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson,
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Jefferson Davis, and hundreds of Confederate soldiers. The Ku Klux
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Klan helped fund the memorial, and Borglum shared their strong
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belief in white supremacy. During this time, he wrote racist
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letters about the superiority of the Nordic race, voicing his
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fear that America was under threat from a mongrel horde
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of immigrants. But after a decade working on Stone Mountain,
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Borglum's relationship with the Klan was starting to fray. He
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was plunging again into debt, and he clashed with organizers
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over his contract and salary. So Doan Robinson's invitation to
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the Black Hills couldn't have come at a better time.
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Borglum jumped at the offer to throw himself into a new,
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even grander project in South Dakota, even as he continued
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work on Stone Mountains. Borglum met Robinson on a train
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in South Dakota to discuss plans for his mountain carving
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in the Black Hills. As the landscape of cottonwood trees
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rushed by, the pair began talking through a design. Robinson
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had envisioned a monument to heroes of the American West,
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such as Buffalo Bill Cody and the Native American Lakota
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chief Red Cloud. Borglum told the historian he had a
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better idea. He proposed a national subject focusing on America's
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greatest presidents, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Borglum later added
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two additional presidents to his design, Thomas Jefferson and his
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own personal friend, Theodore Roosevelt, for their roles in America's
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territorial experience. Borglum said that the four portraits would represent
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the founding, preservation, growth, and development of the nation. Borglum
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dreamed up his monument at a time of growing nationalism
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in America. The United States had just helped win World
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War I,
and the economy was booming. Borglum believed that
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America's burgeoning global superiority could only be expressed by art
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on a colossal scale. He saw the sculpture as an
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enduring monument to the Republic, one that would survive through
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the ages like the pyramids of Egypt. Gazing on the
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Black Hills for the first time, Borglum declared, American history
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shall march along that skyline. But from the beginning, the
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monument sparked controversy. As news spread of the ambitious plan,
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Local journalists and environmentalists were horrified by the idea of
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carving up part of the Black Hills for commercial gain.
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One editorial questioned, why should we desecrate the work of
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nature with a puny work of man? Still, local business
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owners and politicians rushed to support Borglum, hoping the monument
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would give their remote state much-needed publicity, attracting tourists and
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their wallets. The sculpture's most important champion was South Dakota
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Senator Peter Norbeck, Norbeck was a stout, plain-spoken son of
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Norwegian immigrants who rose out of childhood poverty to walk
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the halls of power in Washington. He was passionate about
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developing tourism in the Black Hills, and he would be
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key to turning Borglum's dream of a mountain memorial into
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a reality. After his visit to the Black Hills, Borglum
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returned to Georgia to continue work on Stone Mountain. But
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by February of 1925, the Confederate monument had run out
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of money. and the committee overseeing its construction fired Borglum,
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citing his offensive egotism and delusions of grandeur. Borglum flew
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off in a rage. He took an axe to his
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models and raced across state lines before police could charge
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him with destruction of property. But as the Stone Mountain
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Project was breaking down, Senator Norbeck was lobbying legislators for
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permission and funding to carve the needles in South Dakota.
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Norbeck easily secured permission at the federal level. Most state
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officials in South Dakota also
supported the monument, but they
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stopped short of committing money to it, especially after hearing
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that the Stone Mountain Memorial was in shambles. A few
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months later, Borglum returned to the Black Hills to settle
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on a location for the monument. Riding horseback through the mountains,
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Borglum set eyes on Mount Rushmore for the first time.
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He knew instantly that he had found the site for
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his sculpture. The granite cliff faced southeast, guaranteeing maximum sun exposure.
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Borglum made some rough sketches, already envisioning how he could
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transform the rock into the heads and torsos of four presidents.
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Borglum thought he had found his canvas, but he had
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also chosen a site with a long and disputed history.
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The place was named after Charles E. Rushmore, a wealthy
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New York attorney who visited the Black Hills in 1885.
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But long before it was called Mount Rushmore, this towering,
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pine-clad bluff was sacred to the Lakota Sioux. The Lakota
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called the mountain Six Grandfathers. after the powerful spirits of
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the East, West, North, and South, the sky above and
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the earth below. In an 1868 treaty, the United States
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government promised the Lakota Sioux property rights over all of
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the Black Hills, including six grandfathers, in perpetuity. But just
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a few years later, prospectors discovered gold in the region.
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White settlers moved in, and the government broke the treaty.
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The United States forced the tribes to relinquish their claims
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to the land, pushing them onto federal reservations. The Lakota
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mounted a resistance that lasted until 1890, when finally U.S.
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soldiers killed some 300 men, women, and children at Wounded Knee,
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a creek in the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.
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It was the final clash of the long, bloody wars
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between the U.S. Army and the Plains Indians. So for
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the Lakota, Mount Rushmore was a sacred peak stolen from them.
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Carving it with the faces of four presidents was a
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traumatic reminder of the U.S. government's betrayal and theft. But
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for Borglum, Mount Rushmore was the ideal spot for his
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grand shrine to American expansion, a monument that had become
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his new obsession. And he wasn't about to let anything
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or anyone stand in his way. Imagine it's August 1925.
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You're staying at a game lodge in South Dakota's Custer
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State Park.
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You're a U.S.
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Senator representing South Dakota, and you're sitting down for a
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nightcap with Gutz and Borglum, the man you're relying on
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to finally put your.
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State on the map. Well, cheers, Senator.
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Borglund takes a sip of the wine, then winces. A
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little too earthy for my taste, but fitting, though, I suppose,
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for the wilderness. You must come visit me at Borgland someday, Senator.
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I only stock the best in my cellar. Oh, I
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don't doubt it.
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Anyway, cheers to choosing a site. Rushmore, huh?
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I won't lie, I wish you'd pick somewhere with better
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road access. Roads can be built, Senator. I've just spent
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ten days on the mountain. If you could see the
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way the light strikes the cliffside at dawn, the granite
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is as good as I could have hoped for, much
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better than Stone Mountain. Well, I am glad you are
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pleased with it. Borglum sets down his glass and begins
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scratching out a likeness of George Washington on a pad
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of paper. His face is flush with excitement. Well, Senator,
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we must talk plans. The vastness of that landscape demands
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something even greater than what I first envisioned. I'm going
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to carve a grand entablature beside the four presidents. It'll
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tell the whole history of America, important dates and events.
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Your eyes widen as you glance over at his drawing
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of a large inscription. This monument seems to be getting
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more elaborate by the day. When you say the whole history, yes,
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the whole history will honor America's great builders and explorers,
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Lewis and Clark, Sam Houston.
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What do you think?
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Does William Seward deserve a spot? Let's back up and
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talk numbers. What's your latest estimate on the cost of
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this thing? But Borglum turns back to his drawing. Well,
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whether it costs a half a million dollars or ten million,
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it doesn't really matter. I'm not worried about the money. Well,
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that's good, but someone has to be. You seem to
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take it for granted that this will all go off
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without a hitch. Senator, I trust you'll come up with
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something clever. Mint commemorative coins, perhaps, or find some idle
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millionaire with deep pockets. Rockefeller, or maybe that fellow in
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charge of U.S.
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Steel.
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Gutzon, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Do I need
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to remind you that you're not technically under contract to
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start work at all? Borglum leans back in his chair
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and crosses his arms. Do you have someone else waiting
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in the wings with my talent and expertise? Tell me,
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are there many sculptors of mountains here in South Dakota?
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You must introduce me. I'd love to meet them. No,
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of course not, Gusson. You know you're our man. Borglum
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smiles and returns to his sketching. But you're left wondering
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how you'll ever come up with the money for this
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monument and whether you can manage Borglum's boundless vision. even
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more boundless ego. In August 1925, Borglum chose Mount Rushmore
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as the site for his sculpture. But he still lacked
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the funds to begin work, a prospect made more difficult
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by the mountain's remote location. Mount Rushmore was only accessible
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via old logging trails. The nearest road ended three miles
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away in the small town of Keystone. Just to start
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the monument would first require a massive investment in road
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building in addition to the half-million dollars Borglum estimated it
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would cost to carve the mountain. On October 1st, hundreds
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of people climbed up
to the base of Mount Rushmore
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for a dedication ceremony complete with speeches and music. The
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local business community had raised $ 5, 000 for survey work, but
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it wasn't nearly enough. Over the next two years, Borglum, Norbeck,
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and Robinson scrambled to find wealthy donors, making little progress
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on the mountain itself. Borglum was still not under contract.
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and his personal finances suffered to the point that he
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could not pay his mortgage on Borgland, his Connecticut estate. Still,
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Borglum continued to forge ahead with plans and sketches. And
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then the project had a breakthrough. In the summer of 1927,
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Senator Norbeck convinced President Calvin Coolidge to vacation in the
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Black Hills. While continuing his presidential duties, Coolidge enjoyed the
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scenery and spent his time trout fishing in a creek
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kept well-stocked by local boosters. Three weeks turned into three months,
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giving Borglum time to persuade Coolidge to participate in a
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second formal dedication of Mount Rushmore in August. Coolidge donned
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cowboy boots and a 10-gallon hat for the ceremony, in
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which he gave a speech pledging government support for what
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he called a national shrine to the spirit of patriotism.
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In a display of showmanship, Borglum clambered up to the
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summit and drilled six symbolic holes, marking the starting points
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for George Washington's face. Finally that fall, Borglum and a
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small crew began blasting away granite for Washington sculpture. But
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it was a false start. Bad weather and a shortage
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of manpower and money continued to hamper progress. Soon enough,
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funds dried up, bringing work to a halt for an
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entire year. It had already been three years since Borglum
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had first set eyes on Rushmore. But by 1928, despite
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grand plans and relentless efforts, unless Borglum could find a
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massive cash infusion, It looked like his shrine to American
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Apple Podcasts. While progress on Mount Rushmore slowed to a
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crawl in 1928, Senator Peter Norbeck was back in Washington
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fighting for funding. Norbeck had an ally in President Coolidge,
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who became committed to the project after his summer stay
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in South Dakota. During Coolidge's final days in office in
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February 1929, he signed a bill into law appropriating matching
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funds up to $ 250, 000 for Mount Rushmore, close to $ 4 million.
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In today's money.
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The law also created a 12-member Mount Rushmore National Memorial
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Commission to oversee construction and allocate the funds. Finally, it
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seemed like the project was building momentum. But just months later,
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the stock market crashed, and the American economy spiraled into
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the Great Depression. With private money drying up, Rushmore would
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increasingly depend on the federal government to keep it afloat.
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But this meant that officials would repeatedly come into conflict
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with Gutzon Borglum, who was fiercely protective of his artistic vision.
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As the Depression deepened, unemployed men in South Dakota were
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desperate to find jobs, and jobs were to be had
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on Mount Rushmore. At first, Borglum resisted hiring locals he
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considered unqualified, but with carving falling behind schedule, he had
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no other choice. He used his limited funds to hire
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local miners who were familiar with using jackhammers and dynamite.
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Every morning, up to 50 workers climbed 700 steps to
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the summit of the mountain. Using harnesses and thick steel cables,
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they were lowered down the face of the mountain dangling
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high up in the air as they worked, blasting and
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drilling to shape the rock into the 60-foot-high faces of
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four presidents. First, the workers used dynamite to blast large
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chunks of granite off the mountain and create general shapes.
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The next stage of the carving was a process called honeycombing,
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in which the workers drilled shallow, closely spaced holes in
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a grid pattern. The workers used chisels and hammers to
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remove small pieces of rock between the holes, creating the
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contours of eyes, lips, and noses, to match Borglum's models.
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At the end of each workday, the workers were covered
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head-to-toe in granite dust. And then finally, after nearly a
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year of work, George Washington's head was recognizable enough for
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Borglum to hold yet another dedication ceremony. On July 4, 1930,
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an aircraft flyover and rifle salute marked the unveiling of
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Washington's granite portrait. Newsreels of the event played in theaters
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across the country. Rushmore captured the nation's attention. and tourists
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began to journey to the Black Hills to see the
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work in progress for themselves. But Borglum had spent most
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of his remaining budget on the ceremony, and the workers
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were exhausted after laboring 16-hour days in the lead-up to
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the dedication. Just weeks after Washington's head was unveiled, carving
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once again slowed to a crawl. The following year brought
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new problems. Work had begun on Jefferson's head, located to
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Washington's right, but the rock on that section of the
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mountain proved too crumbly to withstand carving, After 18 months,
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the workers were forced to blast away their work and
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start over, relocating Jefferson to Washington's left. By 1932, the
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project was piling up debt. With the economy still in tatters,
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there was little hope of attracting private donations. Construction on
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Rushmore shut down, and the workers were laid off. Borglum
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barnstormed around Washington in search of sponsors, but once again
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it was the tireless Senator Norbeck who came to the rescue.
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The government had begun distributing relief money as the Depression worsened.
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Norbeck managed to secure $ 100, 000 to pay workers on Rushmore.
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The following year, he arraigned for the monument to come
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under control of the National Park Service, paving the way
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for even more federal
funding. But money was just one
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of the many challenges on the mountain. The workers were
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doing delicate work in extreme conditions. Borglum constantly complained about
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what he saw as their inexperience and lack of skill,
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but their task was immense. No one could predict the
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difficulties they would encounter in their struggle to transform the
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mountain into Borglum's vision of the huge, expressive faces of presidents.
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Imagine it's a blistering hot day in the summer of 1935.
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You're high up on a small, suspended platform on Mount Rushmore,
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working on the carving of Thomas Jefferson. You're an experienced stonecutter,
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just like your father and grandfather. You move to the
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United States from Italy 15 years ago, hoping your talents
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would take you far. But you've never faced a challenge
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like this before. Your assistant hands you a chisel and
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studies the rock. You think this will work? You wipe
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your brow with your handkerchief and shrug.
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It has to. If we fail, it's going to look
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like the president has a cold sore.
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Earlier, you were forced to dig a dark strip of
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feldspar out of the pale granite, but this left a
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gaping hole in Jefferson's upper lip. Your assistant gives you
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a wry smile. I'm still haunted by the crack above
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his right nostril. Can't wait until this is over and
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we can move on to Lincoln. I prefer old Abe anyways.
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As far as presidents go.
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As long as they look like they're supposed to look,
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it doesn't matter to me.
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All right, lower it down. Ah, steady, steady now.
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From the clifftop above, workers lower a heavy piece of
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granite down to you until it's suspended level with the lip.
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The stone measures two feet across, ten inches wide and
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ten inches deep.
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A few days ago, you carefully.
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Picked it out of the rubble pile and shaped it
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to fit the dimensions of the crevice.
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All right, you
want to do the honors?
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Your assistant nods, his face blazing with determination as he
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drops a ladle into a bucket of molten sulfur.
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Careful now.
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He pours the sulfur into two holes you've pre-drilled into the.
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Piece of granite. All right, let's slot it in. Quickly now, though.
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We've got to make sure these holes match up with
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the steel pins.
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In the cavity. All right.
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Your assistant beams as the rock slides perfectly into place.
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Like a glove.
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You smile, feeling like you've really started to prove yourself
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on the mountain. Maybe even enough to be tasked with
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carving Lincoln's eyes.
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That would be an honor. But whatever.
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You just hope the boss is happy. Work on Rushmore
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was not always supervised by Gutz and Borglum. He frequently
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left the mountain for months at a time to raise
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money and work on other commissions. While he was gone,
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Borglum left the monument in the hands of his son, Lincoln,
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and his other assistants. The most skilled of them was
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chief carver Luigi del Bianco, an Italian immigrant and classically
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trained artist and stonecutter. Bianco solved the difficult challenge of
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filling a crack on Jefferson's lip, and he was also
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responsible for Lincoln's lifelike eyes. Borglum described Bianco as the
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only intelligent, efficient stonecarver on the work. But when Borglum
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was on hand to oversee carving, his workers chafed against
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their combative and demanding boss. Borglum constantly complained about the
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inexperience of the former miners who did the majority of
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the carving. But Borglum reserved his fiercest anger for the
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government officials that he believed were interfering with his project,
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and no one bore the brunt of the sculptor's ire
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as much as John Boland, the general manager of the
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project for the Mount Rushmore Commission and the National Park Service.
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Boland was a mild-mannered local businessman and a former mayor
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of Rapid City, South Dakota. He had backed the monument
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from the beginning, spearheading a local fundraising drive. Boland was
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tasked with allocating government dollars for Rushmore, and he had
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come to Borglum's rescue multiple times, even giving him a
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personal loan that saved the sculptor from the brink of
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financial ruin. Despite this, Borglum was convinced that Boland was
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out to undermine him. He resented Boland's control over the
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purse strings, calling him uncultured and meddlesome. He complained that
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Boland was interfering with his creative vision. The spats were
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so testy that Senator Norbeck was repeatedly forced to step
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in as a mediator and to help with fundraising. But
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in 1935, Norbeck was fighting cancer. Despite this, he still
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managed to win a new federal appropriation of $ 200, 000 for Rushmore,
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nearly $ 4 million in today's dollars. The following year, the
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National Park Service upgraded infrastructure on the mountain, making construction
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more efficient, even as Borglum butted heads with the Park
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Service's chief engineer. That August, the hard-earned Jefferson head was
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finally unveiled in a ceremony attended by President Franklin D.
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Roosevelt.
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Progress continued, unabated, for the next year. Then in 1937,
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the Lincoln head was nearing completion, and the Theodore Roosevelt
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head was well underway. Borglum was brimming with confidence about
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his masterpiece— Speaking at the dedication for the Lincoln Head
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in September, Borglum declared, We have literally driven a super-clipper
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into the stratosphere of noblest human aspirations, on a crust
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and a gallon of gas, in spite of a resisting,
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unbelieving world. Proudly, Borglum celebrated his victories. But behind the scenes,
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a contract dispute was bringing his conflict with government officials
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to a head. Borglum wanted more money, but the commission
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refused to budge. Borglum was furious, especially after working months
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without pay while waiting for a
new contract. He became
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more determined than ever to wrest control from the Mount
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Rushmore Commission, the National Park Service, and above all his nemesis,
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John Boland. Beyond carving the four presidents, Borglum had dreamed
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up increasingly elaborate plans. He envisioned a grand stairway of
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800 carved granite steps, leading up to a large inscription
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he called his entablature, as well as a cavernous hall
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of records inside the monument. where he wanted to store
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the original Constitution and Declaration of Independence. But Borglum's new
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contract made no mention of any work beyond finishing the
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four faces. John Boland wanted to make sure that the
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main sculptures actually got done, on time and on budget,
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before anything else was added to the monument. Borglum was
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now 70 years old, and Boland feared the faces would
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never be finished if something happened to the aging sculptor.
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But Borglum was convinced that his artistic vision was being
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stifled by government interference. He resented having to get the
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commission's approval on his creative decisions. He had devoted the
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past 12 years of his life to the carving of
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the monument. So over the next several months, he would
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launch a bitter war to win full control over the sculpture.
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But the struggle would take a heavy toll. And soon
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the future of Mount Rushmore would become even more uncertain
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as America's attention turned to the looming threat of a
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Second World War.
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Apple Podcasts. In the spring of 1938, Gutzon Borglum was
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a man on a warpath, desperate to rid Mount Rushmore
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of government interference. Borglum moved to Washington and lobbied his
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friends in government, threatening to stop work on the memorial
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unless his demands were met. One of his biggest champions,
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Senator Peter Norbeck, had died of cancer in 1936. And
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without Norbeck playing mediator, Borglum was unfiltered and uncompromising. In March,
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he told the Secretary of the Interior that Boland and
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the men on the commission were incompetent, deliberately dishonest, and
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determined to degrade his sculpture. He didn't stop there. Soon,
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he took his complaints directly to the White House, bombarding
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President Franklin D. Roosevelt with angry letters. He complained, the
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Mount Rushmore Memorial has been bullied, starved, victimized from the
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beginning by local cheap ward politicians and a man from
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the Park Department. I must now request this interference must
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all stop.
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Stop at once.
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His relentless efforts paid off. When Borglum's congressional allies introduced
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legislation to set up a new commission in May of 1938,
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they had the support of both the Interior Secretary and
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President Roosevelt. Ever the team player, John Boland issued a
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statement declaring, My only desire is to have the Mount
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Rushmore project completed and have Mr. Borglum carry on his
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great work. He agreed to step down.
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From the commission.
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In June, Congress dissolved the Mount Rushmore Commission, authorized the
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completion of Borglum's staircase, entablature, and Hall of Records, and
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then approved $ 300, 000 in funding, half of what Borglum had
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asked for. A new commission was formed under Borglum's control,
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with no involvement from Boland or the National Park Service.
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Thrilled with his victory, Borglum returned to South Dakota and
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moved ahead quickly. Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson's faces were all complete,
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with just detail work remaining. Only Teddy Roosevelt's head was left,
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the face shrouded in scaffolding as workers labored furiously. Along
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with overseeing work on Roosevelt's head, Borglum began excavating granite
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for his Hall of Records, an 80-by-100-foot vault to be
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carved into the rock behind Lincoln's head. He also started
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designing a restaurant, a reservoir, and a grand entrance gate.
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But after workers blasted 70 feet into the mountain, they
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realized the granite was too hard to carve any further.
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Plans for the Hall of Records were abandoned. Then in
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June 1939, Borglum received more bad news. President Roosevelt was
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streamlining the federal bureaucracy to better handle the lingering depression
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and the looming war in Europe. To cut costs, Roosevelt
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placed Rushmore back under the control of the National Park Service.
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The Park Service insisted that all work focus on the
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four faces alone. Lawmakers in Washington feared that if the
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United States entered the war, the government would be unable
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to fund Rushmore's completion. So the pressure was on to
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finish the monument as soon as possible, especially as Borglum's
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health had started to deteriorate. And soon enough, in February 1941,
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Congress cut off funding to Rushmore in order to prioritize
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defense spending. Days later, Borglum died unexpectedly from complications during
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prostate surgery. Overnight, the larger-than-life force behind Rushmore was gone.
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And so, too, was any possibility of the additional features
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Borglum wanted— or the chance to carve the presidents to
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their waists, as originally planned. With Borglum gone and the
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budget nearly depleted, the Park Service asked Borglum's son Lincoln
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to take the four heads as near to completion as possible.
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Twenty-nine-year-old Lincoln stepped into a massive void left by his father.
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He and his team spent the next few months on
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detail work, including Lincoln's collar and the hair on Jefferson
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and Roosevelt. Then on October 31, 1941, the workers laid
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down their tools and work on the sculpture stopped for good.
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Even though Borglum's plans were not fully carried out, Lincoln
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insisted that the monument's final form was more effective than
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his father's original designs. After 14 years, some 400 men
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had removed 450,000 tons of granite to carve Rushmore, at
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a total cost of nearly $ 1 million, or $ 17 million
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in today's money. Over the next several decades, Americans flocked
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to Mount Rushmore in droves. By 1970, the monument was
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drawing nearly 2 million visitors a year. But as the
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--> 00:38:18.050
monument attracted tourists, it also continued to draw controversy. For
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the Native American residents of South Dakota, the Mount Rushmore
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Memorial persisted as a symbol of white supremacy and a
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bitter reminder of the violence inflicted by the U.S.
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Government.
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In the words of Lakota chief John Fire Lame Deer,
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they could just as well have carved this mountain into
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a huge cavalry boot standing on a dead Indian. But
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even before Mount Rushmore was finished, the Lakota had started
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their own monument in the Black Hills. In 1939, Lakota
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Sioux Chief Henry Standing Bear commissioned sculptor Korchak Julkowski to
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carve a mountain memorial to counter the four presidents' faces.
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Standing Bear told the sculptor, My fellow chiefs and I
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would like the white man to know that the red
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man has had great heroes too. They chose the 19th
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century Lakota warrior Crazy Horse as the subject. Located 17
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miles from Rushmore, the monument would depict Crazy Horse riding
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a horse and pointing in the distance. At more than
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500 feet tall, Crazy Horse would dwarf the 60-foot busts
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on Mount Rushmore. But the monument ended up sparking its
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own controversy, with many Lakota people questioning whether Crazy Horse
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would have wanted to be immortalized in further carving of
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a sacred landscape. The fight for Native rights entered a
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new phase in the 1960s and 1970s, as a spirit
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of social and political protest swept the nation, and Rushmore
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once again would become a flashpoint. Imagine it's September 1970.
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You're at Mount Rushmore on a ledge just behind the
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head of Teddy Roosevelt. Two days ago, you and two
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dozen fellow activists set up camp on the mountainside. Thou
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shalt not murder. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt honor
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thy treaties. One of the leaders of your group shouts
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through a bullhorn to the tourists below while you organize supplies.
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You've been to protests before, but this is the first
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time you've taken part in an occupation of a federal monument.
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You hand a can of red paint to a pair
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of protesters as they unfurl several sewn-together bedsheets that will
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serve as a banner. You plan to paint the words,
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Sue Indian Power, in bold letters across the banner, draping
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it right over Washington's face. But just as you pick
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up a brush, you're distracted by a panting reporter who's
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walking straight towards you.
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Hello there.
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I was hoping you might grant me an interview. Your
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gaze moves from his camera to your fellow activist's. wondering
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if you're really the best person to be talking to
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the press. Well, our spokesman is around here somewhere. No,
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you look like you'll do just fine. I don't want
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to carry this camera any further. Just a few questions?
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You know that if there's one thing this protest needs,
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it is publicity. So you take a deep breath and
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straighten your shoulders. Okay.
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What do you want to know?
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A beleaguered cameraman, also panting from carrying equipment up the mountainside,
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gives a thumbs up to indicate that he's rolling. The
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reporter raises his microphone towards you. What's your goal here today?
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These lands are legally ours by treaty, and we've come
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to take them back. The reporter has a dubious look
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on his face. That's a look you've seen many times before.
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How do you propose to do that? We want to
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meet with the Interior Secretary and demand the Black Hills
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be given back to us.
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Back to you. Could you explain that history for our
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viewers who don't know? You relax a little.
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As a history student, this is where you're most comfortable.
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Yes, my.
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The federal government said this land would belong to us
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as long as the sun shines and the grass grows.
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Then six years later, they sent General Custer into the
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Black Hills. And then they
discovered gold. After that, they
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turned around and took this land from us. The reporter
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pauses for a moment, considering your words. For you, what
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is the meaning of this occupation? This is the first
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Sioux uprising here since the stand against General Custer. And
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this is a breeding ground right here. You are going
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to see a spark. So you cling to the hope
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that someday this land will be yours again? We're going
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to continue this resistance against these oppressors, to continue to
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fight for what is rightfully ours. The reporter nods at
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the cameraman to stop rolling.
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Ah, thank you.
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But surely this occupation is purely symbolic, right? You're not
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actually thinking you're going to reclaim the Black Hills. Symbols matter.
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If they didn't, why would you have gone to the
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trouble of carving those presidents into this mountain?
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The reporter raises his eyebrows.
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And you get a sense that he may be starting
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to see Mount Rushmore and your movement in a new light.
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You just hope you can get the U.S. government to
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do the same.
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In August 1970, 23 young Native Americans scaled Mount Rushmore
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and set up camp, draping a banner over the mountain
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with a slogan, Sioux Indian Power. The protesters demanded the
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federal government honor its 1868 treaty guaranteeing Sioux ownership over
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the Black Hills. They remained on Rushmore for three months
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until severe winter storms drove them off. But the protests
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didn't end there. In 1971, protesters once again occupied Rushmore,
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and in 1973, 200 activists occupied the South Dakota town
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of Wounded Knee for more than two months. In gunfights
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with authorities, two activists were shot dead and a federal
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agent was shot and paralyzed. Then in 1980, the Supreme
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Court upheld a ruling granting the Sioux Nation more than
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$ 100 million in compensation for the illegal seizure of land,
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including the Black Hills.
But the Sioux have continued to
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refuse the money, now worth over $ 1 billion, insisting that
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the land was never for sale. Ownership of the Black
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Hills remains in dispute to this day, as does the
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meaning of the region's most iconic landmark. For many, it's
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a source of pride, a colossal symbol of American achievement
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and patriotism. But for others, it's a painful reminder of
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the injustices suffered by Native people. Perhaps most of all,
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it's a towering monument to the boundless ego and obsessive
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drive of the headstrong sculptor who never lived.
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To see it finished.
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From Wondery, this is Episode 3 of America's Monuments from
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American History Tellers. On the next episode, in the early
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20th century, San Francisco was one of America's leading metropolises.
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But to fuel its economic growth, it needed a bridge.
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Building over one of the most treacherous straits on the
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American seaboard, engineers and construction crews would endure punishing conditions
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to forge an engineering marvel and iconic landmark, the Golden
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Gate Bridge. American History Tellers is only possible because of
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American History Tellers is hosted, edited, and produced by me,
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episode is written by George Ducker, edited by Dorian Marina.
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Our senior producer is Andy Herman. Our executive producers are
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Jenny Lauer-Beckman and Marsha Louis. Created by Hernán López for Wondery.
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Hey, I'm Cassie DePeckel, the host of Against the Odds
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from Audible Originals. In each episode, we share thrilling, true
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