Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 7-9) (11/13/26): täielik transkriptsioon

Christmas bonus? Answer, $ 200. Bella Hovlich, alright. At some 35 00:02:06.530 --> 00:02:10.930 point you spoke with someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. Answer, correct. 36 00:02:11.270 --> 00:02:14.830 Bella Hovlich, and who is he? Answer, he's a former 37 00:02:14.870 --> 00:02:19.009 houseman of Jeffrey Epstein. Bella Hovlich, what did he describe 38 00:02:19.069 --> 00:02:23.449 his duties when he was employed by Mr. Epstein? Answer, 39 00:02:23.490 --> 00:02:26.270 he was basically everything. He was the butler, the driver 40 00:02:26.330 --> 00:02:29.520 in charge of his security. He was basically the everything 41 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.479 for the house. Belahovlik, okay, do it all. He did everything. 42 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:39.439 Indiscernible wanted to. Answer, right. Belahovlik, okay, did he. Did 43 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:44.629 Alfredo Rodriguez give you any information regarding your investigation? Answer, 44 00:02:44.689 --> 00:02:47.449 he explained that he knew something was amiss during his 45 00:02:47.509 --> 00:02:50.430 employ with Mr. Epstein. He would see girls as young 46 00:02:50.550 --> 00:02:53.990 as his daughter come in and say they're his masseuse. 47 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.419 And when asked how young, he said very young. Too 48 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.680 young to be a masseuse. Did he give you any 49 00:03:00.740 --> 00:03:04.300 other information? Answer. He also stated that he kept a 50 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.259 folder for his protection. Some notes that were made during 51 00:03:07.300 --> 00:03:11.189 his employ with Mr. Epstein. Belahovlik. What? So he kept 52 00:03:11.219 --> 00:03:14.770 like a journal? Answer. Basically, yes. Like a folder with 53 00:03:14.830 --> 00:03:18.189 different sheets of paper inside. Belahovlik. And he would write 54 00:03:18.270 --> 00:03:21.370 notes to himself or would put notes in that journal? Answer. 55 00:03:21.710 --> 00:03:26.069 He would put notes inside. Belahovlik. Okay. Answer, notes that 56 00:03:26.110 --> 00:03:29.870 were given to him on Epstein's stationery. Belahovlik, was there 57 00:03:29.990 --> 00:03:32.650 any note that he provided to you in that folder 58 00:03:33.090 --> 00:03:36.800 that indicated something, any type of relationship between Jeffrey Epstein 59 00:03:37.099 --> 00:03:41.039 and any of the girls that we've discussed? Answer, yes. 60 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:44.139 He provided two sheets. One was to extend the rental 61 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:48.020 car for Redacted as the contract was up the 2nd 62 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.879 of February. Belahovlik, the 2nd of February that year. Answer, 63 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.349 I was unable to determine that. I researched that information 64 00:03:55.389 --> 00:03:58.289 through Dollar Rent-A-Car, and they were unable to locate the 65 00:03:58.310 --> 00:04:02.090 car that he rented. Bella Hovlich, okay, but did Redacted 66 00:04:02.129 --> 00:04:07.289 confirm that she had gotten the

car? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer, 67 00:04:07.430 --> 00:04:10.310 she even explained, described the car as a blue Dodge 68 00:04:10.349 --> 00:04:13.849 Neon four-door. She explained the whole car to me. Additionally, 69 00:04:13.889 --> 00:04:17.300 there was another notation of to take a bucket of 70 00:04:17.329 --> 00:04:20.829 roses at 9 p.m. to Redacted for Redacted. and give 71 00:04:20.850 --> 00:04:24.970 the flowers to Redacted after her Redacted performance, as she 72 00:04:25.009 --> 00:04:29.060 was in Redacted and had a Redacted that night. So 73 00:04:29.069 --> 00:04:32.300 what they're talking about is how Epstein sent flowers to 74 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:35.660 some little girl who was doing a school play or whatever, 75 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:39.160 and that's what they're recounting here. But that's not good 76 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.019 enough for Mrs. Bela Hovlik, or Mr. Krischer, I guess. 77 00:04:42.430 --> 00:04:46.610 Bela Hovlik? Okay, and do you know when that was? Answer, 78 00:04:46.829 --> 00:04:50.610 it was while Redacted was still in Redacted and Redacted, 79 00:04:50.910 --> 00:04:55.649 it was during his employ prior to Janice. Belahovlik, do 80 00:04:55.689 --> 00:04:58.680 you know if that was when Redacted was 16 or 81 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.800 when she was 17 or when she was 18? Answer, 82 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:05.839 when she was 17. Belahovlik, okay. Did you, any of 83 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.699 these girls we've talked about, any of them a licensed 84 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.050 massage therapist? Answer, no. No formal training in any massages. 85 00:05:13.740 --> 00:05:16.519 Bella Hovlich, did you ever speak to licensed massage therapists 86 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:21.860 that provided services to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, through the trash 87 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:24.980 pools we did locate two girls that were licensed masseuses 88 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:29.290 that I interviewed. Bella Hovlich, who were they? Answer, one 89 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:33.629 was redacted and the other one was redacted. Bella Hovlich, okay, 90 00:05:33.949 --> 00:05:37.370 did you talk to a redacted? Answer, yes I did. 91 00:05:37.970 --> 00:05:41.209 Bella Hovlich, what did she tell you? Answer, that she 92 00:05:41.250 --> 00:05:44.079 had been going to Epstein's house for quite some time. However, 93 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.300 she was not a masseuse at the time when she 94 00:05:46.339 --> 00:05:49.240 first started going to his house. He also provided her 95 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.779 a vehicle to get to his house because her scooter 96 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:55.899 had broken down. She was, and he's interrupted here by Belahovlik, 97 00:05:56.300 --> 00:05:58.839 she started going to his house in a similar fashion 98 00:05:59.139 --> 00:06:04.600 and capacity as these other girls? Answer, that is correct. Belahovlik, okay, 99 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.160 but she later became a massage

therapist. Answer, yes. Belahovlik, 100 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.689 what kind of relationship did Redacted and Redacted And Jeffrey 101 00:06:13.750 --> 00:06:17.029 Epstein have. Answer, she stated that it was a consensual 102 00:06:17.089 --> 00:06:20.769 sexual encounter that they've had. Belahovic, how old was she 103 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:24.250 at the time? Answer, over 18 at the time. I 104 00:06:24.269 --> 00:06:28.079 think she was 18. Belahovic, was she, did she describe 105 00:06:28.139 --> 00:06:31.800 being paid money for? Answer, paid money. And additionally, I 106 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.060 believe he paid for her tuition at Redacted. Belahovic, is 107 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:39.040 that where she got her massage therapy training? Answer, no, 108 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.300 she got into the Redacted. Belahovic, okay, all right. What 109 00:06:43.339 --> 00:06:47.620 you mentioned, a redacted, she's a licensed massage therapist? Answer, 110 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:51.680 that's correct. Bella Hovlik, did she provide massage services to 111 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.850 Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlik, what kind of services 112 00:06:55.889 --> 00:07:00.029 did she provide? Answer, she does a Swedish deep tissue massage. 113 00:07:00.509 --> 00:07:03.529 Bella Hovlik, did the massages by redacted go beyond a 114 00:07:03.569 --> 00:07:08.050 normal massage to the other acts we've heard about today? Answer, no. No, 115 00:07:08.089 --> 00:07:10.430 her job was strictly to come in, provide the massage, 116 00:07:10.709 --> 00:07:14.339 she got paid $ 100, and she left. Bella Hovlich, okay, 117 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:18.319 so the licensed massage therapist gets $ 100, the other girls 118 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:23.029 get much more? Answer, right. Bella Hovlich, okay, when you were, 119 00:07:23.269 --> 00:07:26.089 you've met most of these girls, was there anything different 120 00:07:26.129 --> 00:07:29.490 about Redacted that you noticed that made her stand apart 121 00:07:29.529 --> 00:07:33.170 from the other girls that were going? Answer, Redacted was 122 00:07:33.230 --> 00:07:35.750 not the petite little girl. She was always, she was 123 00:07:35.790 --> 00:07:38.379 a bigger girl, with plenty of tattoos on her forearm, 124 00:07:38.709 --> 00:07:43.060 and visible on her neck, very visible tattoos. Bella Hovlich, 125 00:07:43.579 --> 00:07:45.540 If you were to say Mr. Epstein had a type, 126 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:50.199 she would not fit that type? Answer, oh, absolutely. Bella Hovlich, 127 00:07:50.379 --> 00:07:53.100 were you ever able to find any intelligence from the 128 00:07:53.139 --> 00:07:55.800 Palm Beach County Police Department that confirmed any of these 129 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:00.060 girls being in his house other than the girls saying so? Answer, 130 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:03.430 through physical surveillance, I had researched all the intelligence that 131 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.129 the

police had gathered during the past couple of years, 132 00:08:06.550 --> 00:08:10.050 and in 2004, Mr. Rodriguez, the former houseman, had called 133 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:13.189 the police because he had seen a suspicious vehicle that 134 00:08:13.209 --> 00:08:17.449 he did not recognize in the driveway of Mr. Epstein's house. Mr. 135 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.860 Rodriguez was pulling in from Publix and didn't recognize the vehicle, 136 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:23.319 so he left and drove straight to the police department 137 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:25.959 and notified them that there was a strange vehicle in 138 00:08:25.980 --> 00:08:29.269 the driveway. When the vehicle was approached by the police officers, 139 00:08:29.490 --> 00:08:33.370 they found Redacted sitting in this, the car with her friend. 140 00:08:34.769 --> 00:08:38.809 Bella Hovlich, does it identify who the friend is? Answer, uh, 141 00:08:39.169 --> 00:08:41.860 Bella Hovlich. And when you look at that report, what 142 00:08:41.909 --> 00:08:47.580 is the date that was there in 2004? Answer, November 28th, 2004. 143 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:50.960 And at which point her cell phone rang, and the 144 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:53.340 officer felt that it must have been her mother because 145 00:08:53.379 --> 00:08:57.230 she says, I can't talk, I'm in school. Bella Hovlich, okay, 146 00:08:57.250 --> 00:09:00.549 did the officer note why Redacted was there? Answer, she 147 00:09:00.610 --> 00:09:03.090 stated that she was there to pick up money's that 148 00:09:03.110 --> 00:09:06.330 were owed to her, that she's a massage therapist for Mr. Epstein. 149 00:09:06.850 --> 00:09:09.549 Bella Hovlich, okay, the girls you talk to, how did 150 00:09:09.590 --> 00:09:12.789 they typically tend to know each other of those that do? 151 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:15.940 Were they all in school together? Answer, they were all, 152 00:09:16.059 --> 00:09:19.399 they all knew each other from redacted high school. All 153 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:23.840 except one. Bella Hovlich, because she was, knew, redacted from 154 00:09:23.940 --> 00:09:27.320 outside of school? Answer, correct. She knew redacted because she 155 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.220 was dating redacted's cousin. Bella Hovlich, okay, at some point, 156 00:09:31.259 --> 00:09:35.149 did you obtain a search warrant? For Jeffrey Epstein's home? Answer. Correct. 157 00:09:35.230 --> 00:09:38.870 I did. Bela Hovlik. When was that? Answer. That was 158 00:09:38.929 --> 00:09:45.100 in October. Bela Hovlik. Page 42. Answer. October 12, 2005. Oops. 159 00:09:45.139 --> 00:09:48.700 I'm sorry. That was the. Nope. That was in another interview. 160 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:54.009 Bela Hovlik. October 20th. Answer. October 20th. Bela Hovlik. You 161 00:09:54.029 --> 00:09:56.929 got the warrant on October 18th and executed it on 162 00:09:56.970 --> 00:10:18.240 October 20th. Answer. Correct. Bela Hovlik. Answer, there was a 163 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.620 lot of people in the, and from, the police department. Belahovlik, 164 00:10:22.659 --> 00:10:27.450 all right, and Greg Parkinson's is outside. Answer, yes. Belahovlik, okay, 165 00:10:27.470 --> 00:10:29.909 during the execution of the warrant, there was an item 166 00:10:29.950 --> 00:10:34.710 found that's identified as a twin torpedo. Answer, yes. Belahovlik, 167 00:10:34.889 --> 00:10:38.470 what is that item? Answer, that is, it's known as 168 00:10:38.529 --> 00:10:43.399 a dildo. Belahovlik, okay, a sexual toy that you buy. Answer, 169 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.340 a sexual toy. Belahovlik, okay, where was it found? Answer. 170 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:49.899 That was found in the bedroom of, I want to say, 171 00:10:50.179 --> 00:10:54.139 Nadia's bedroom. Belahovlik. Okay. Is that the bedroom that the 172 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:57.480 girls were taken to when they performed the massages as 173 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:01.899 described by and to you? Answer. The main massages occurred 174 00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:07.450 in Epstein's master bedroom bathroom area. Belahovlik. Not Nadia's? Answer. No. Belahovlik. 175 00:11:07.769 --> 00:11:12.169 Bedroom bathroom area? Answer. No. Belahovlik. Okay. So that was 176 00:11:12.230 --> 00:11:16.220 found in a different place. Answer. Correct. Belahovlik. Was there 177 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.340 any sexual devices, dildos, vibrators, found anything that matched the 178 00:11:20.379 --> 00:11:23.750 description that was given by the girls? Either a purple 179 00:11:23.779 --> 00:11:27.309 vibrator or a white vibrator with a large head? Answer, no. 180 00:11:27.750 --> 00:11:31.230 Bella Hovlich, at this point, Detective Ricari, I'm going to 181 00:11:31.269 --> 00:11:34.210 see if the grand jurors have any questions for you. 182 00:11:34.230 --> 00:11:36.429 All right, we're going to wrap up right here. And 183 00:11:36.470 --> 00:11:38.350 when we get back with the next episode, we're going 184 00:11:38.370 --> 00:11:41.549 to pick up with a grand jury questions to Detective Ricari. 185 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.960 All of the information that goes with this episode can 186 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.190 be found on in the description box. What's up everyone 187 00:11:48.269 --> 00:11:51.929 and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode 188 00:11:51.970 --> 00:11:54.409 we're picking up where we left off with the grand 189 00:11:54.450 --> 00:11:57.470 jury documents that were just released. And to do that 190 00:11:57.490 --> 00:12:01.590 we're picking up with Detective Rakari about to get questioned 191 00:12:01.669 --> 00:12:05.730 by the juror. Juror, I'd like to ask you a 192 00:12:05.769 --> 00:12:09.009 question first. What constitutes a sexual act under the law? 193 00:12:09.509 --> 00:12:14.110 Miss Belahovlik, sexual activity means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration 194 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:17.730 by or union with the sexual organ of another, anal 195

00:12:17.850 --> 00:12:21.779 or vaginal penetration of another by any other object, or 196 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.039 the handling or fondling of the sexual organ of another 197 00:12:25.299 --> 00:12:28.679 for the purpose of masturbation. However, the term does not 198 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.820 include acts for bona fide medical purposes. You'll all get 199 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.269 a copy of this. Yes, ma'am. Adjure. Do you know 200 00:12:35.389 --> 00:12:38.190 the location of Jeffrey Epstein at present? You say that 201 00:12:38.210 --> 00:12:41.850 he hasn't been back since October. The witness. He has 202 00:12:41.889 --> 00:12:44.429 various homes. One in New York. He has a ranch 203 00:12:44.470 --> 00:12:46.850 in New Mexico. He has a private island right outside 204 00:12:46.870 --> 00:12:49.090 of St. Thomas. He has a home in Paris and 205 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:52.090 one in England. A juror. So can you get in 206 00:12:52.110 --> 00:12:54.149 touch with him? You would have a way to do that? 207 00:12:54.549 --> 00:13:00.409 The witness. Ricari. He has various councils representing him. Ms. Belahovlik. Yes, ma'am. Juror. 208 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.000 Was redacted the only one of these girls that he 209 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:09.049 actually had intercourse with? The witness. No. Juror. Okay. Rakari, 210 00:13:09.429 --> 00:13:12.190 there were a total of five victims altogether, but as 211 00:13:12.230 --> 00:13:15.669 far as intercourse you mean? Jur, mm-hmm. The witness, as 212 00:13:15.730 --> 00:13:19.100 far as penile intercourse? Jur, right. The witness, I believe 213 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:23.039 it was two. Jur, okay. Ms. Belahovlik, yes sir. Calling 214 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:26.039 on another jur. As far as redacted, it does not 215 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.659 appear from what I'm hearing, it's not like redacted was 216 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:31.740 the center focal point who coordinated all this for Epstein. 217 00:13:32.059 --> 00:13:35.299 It seemed like Epstein had multiple sources to have access 218 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:38.720 to some of these young girls. Is that correct? Rikari, 219 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.179 all of these girls were in a tight clique together, 220 00:13:41.500 --> 00:13:43.980 Redacted being the first one from the clique to just 221 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.980 go to the house. Jur, okay. Rikari, basically was that 222 00:13:49.100 --> 00:13:55.250 she brought Redacted Redacted, brought Redacted, and brought Redacted. Jur, right. Rikari, 223 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:59.029 so it was like a trickling effect. Jur, right, so this, 224 00:13:59.169 --> 00:14:01.710 I mean... It just kind of seems like this little 225 00:14:01.789 --> 00:14:05.120 micro-economy got spawned here, and it does not. I mean, 226 00:14:05.419 --> 00:14:07.960 do any of these girls provide those types of services 227 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.799 for money for anyone else? Do they do this? And 228 00:14:11.899 --> 00:14:17.480 Rakari interrupts him here. No. Juror, on a common basis, or... Nope. Juror, 229 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:20.179 does it just happen that Epstein is the source by 230 00:14:20.230 --> 00:14:26.549 which they're attracted to here? Rakari, Epstein is the source. Juror, okay. Ms. Belahovlik, 231 00:14:26.870 --> 00:14:31.509 do you know Redacted? Present occupation detective? Ricari? She is a... 232 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:39.059 an exotic dancer. Miss Belahovlik, a stripper. Ricari, a stripper. Belahovlik, okay. Juror, 233 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:44.080 who is that one? Ricari, redacted. Belahovlik, redacted. Yes, sir. 234 00:14:44.659 --> 00:14:48.950 Another juror being called upon here. When Jeffrey entered redacted, 235 00:14:49.090 --> 00:14:51.970 did she ask him to stop at all? Ricari, she 236 00:14:52.009 --> 00:14:55.960 screamed no. She didn't. She... Juror, and he continued... The witness, 237 00:14:56.220 --> 00:15:01.379 she said no. He apologized, offered her $ 1, 000. Subsequently then, juror, 238 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:05.179 so he stopped. The witness, after that, yes. Juror, okay. 239 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.659 And the second question, you had made comment that dollar 240 00:15:08.740 --> 00:15:12.139 rental car wasn't able to find, the dollar or rental 241 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.799 car wasn't able to find the car. Have you been 242 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.740 able to confirm the actual? And to that, Ricari cuts 243 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:20.639 him off. Subpoenas had been issued to dollar rent a car. 244 00:15:21.019 --> 00:15:23.659 I have their text researching it. They were acquired by 245 00:15:23.700 --> 00:15:26.080 another company, so some of the business records were not 246 00:15:26.139 --> 00:15:29.360 up to par. So they're, they're hopefully, I keep reminding 247 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.679 them to, juror, there's more than one car then that, 248 00:15:33.330 --> 00:15:36.649 and Ricari interrupts, that's correct, they still rent. They rented 249 00:15:36.690 --> 00:15:41.309 the car for redacted, which I believe she's still driving it. Juror, okay. Ms. 250 00:15:41.330 --> 00:15:44.570 Belahovlik calls on another juror who is a woman. Juror, 251 00:15:44.909 --> 00:15:47.710 how many of the girls had relationships with them? Over 252 00:15:47.730 --> 00:15:50.190 a year while they were still in high school? Rakari, 253 00:15:50.450 --> 00:15:53.159 I'm sorry, juror, how many of the girls had were 254 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.820 seeing him for more than a year while and he 255 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.440 knew that they were still in high school? Rakari, I 256 00:15:58.460 --> 00:16:00.480 know that all of them were in high school when 257 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:03.759 they first started seeing him. Redacted being 16, the age 258 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.740 of graduation is 18. I would say they all because 259 00:16:06.779 --> 00:16:10.220 they all met him through redacted in

school. Miss Belahovlik, 260 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:14.090 the question is the length period. This doesn't, it's one time. 261 00:16:14.490 --> 00:16:17.490 Like with its numerous hundreds of times for two years. 262 00:16:17.929 --> 00:16:22.440 The witness over two years. Bella Hovlich, redacted 15 or 263 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:28.389 more times. Ricari, right. Bella Hovlich, so this is long-standing. Right, 264 00:16:28.450 --> 00:16:32.490 Ricari says. Many of these girls? Ricari, you got it. Jur, 265 00:16:32.789 --> 00:16:35.090 can you name the two girls that the vaginal penetration 266 00:16:35.129 --> 00:16:39.809 took place with? Ricari, it would be redacted and redacted. Jur, 267 00:16:40.169 --> 00:16:42.789 and how many then would, in your opinion, defined by 268 00:16:42.830 --> 00:16:45.470 the sexual act, how many other girls would fall under 269 00:16:45.509 --> 00:16:47.960 that category? Can you give me some type of count? 270 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:53.480 Ricari under, well, there's that age, and Belahovic, she pops in, 271 00:16:53.500 --> 00:16:55.799 of course. She has to save her buddy Jeffrey Epstein. 272 00:16:56.179 --> 00:17:00.080 There's the masturbation in front of how many girls? The witness. Um, 273 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:04.089 there was Belahovic, most of them, he says. In fact, 274 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:07.349 I would say all of them. Belahovic, okay. Ricari, except 275 00:17:07.369 --> 00:17:10.829 for maybe the legitimate masseuse. Belahovic, but the only one 276 00:17:10.849 --> 00:17:14.750 that was under 16 at the time was redacted. Ricari, right. 277 00:17:14.789 --> 00:17:19.460 She was 14. Correct. Belahovic, okay. Juror. Other than redacted 278 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:22.339 stepmother coming to the police, she obviously found out from 279 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.759 the principal, but the other girls, none of their parents 280 00:17:24.859 --> 00:17:28.509 knew about it or intervened in any way. Rakari, it 281 00:17:28.549 --> 00:17:31.730 wasn't until parents discovered what she was doing. It was 282 00:17:31.789 --> 00:17:34.769 at that time that she had stopped. And to this day, 283 00:17:34.849 --> 00:17:37.369 she still gets phone calls. She had to change her 284 00:17:37.390 --> 00:17:40.450 cell phone number. They have changed the change their house 285 00:17:40.509 --> 00:17:44.490 number from Sarah Kellen and Epstein. Jer, cause here these 286 00:17:44.529 --> 00:17:47.329 girls are all bringing home this money, they're obviously shopping, 287 00:17:47.549 --> 00:17:50.079 bringing home items, and none of the parents got involved 288 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.059 in any way? Yo, there's a whole lot of victim 289 00:17:52.099 --> 00:17:54.960 shaming going on at this grand jury session, and one 290 00:17:54.980 --> 00:17:57.029 of the main reasons why I'm not a big fan 291 00:17:57.369 --> 00:17:59.509 of the grand jury. And is anyone shocked that they 292 00:17:59.549 --> 00:18:01.970 wanted to keep this secret? Listen to how damning all 293 00:18:01.990 --> 00:18:05.039 of this is. Rakari, a lot of these parents, they 294 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.680 had no idea what was going on. Jer, I can't 295 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.940 believe that. I mean, Bella Hovlik, you have to ask questions, 296 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:14.339 not comments. Yes, ma'am. Do you have your hand up, Jer? 297 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:20.680 Let's see, you mentioned Redacted was from Redacted. Rakari, Redacted, yes. Jer, 298 00:18:20.779 --> 00:18:25.599 Redacted was from Redacted. Rakari, no, actually, these, all these girls, 299 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.079 lived in the Redacted area. Redacted area. Juror, okay, any 300 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.299 suspicion that there perhaps were other groups of girls from 301 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.599 other high schools or other areas that he would bring 302 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.400 into his home? The witness, not that I'm aware of, 303 00:18:39.900 --> 00:18:43.140 the common link here was redacted school. And there was 304 00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:45.799 actually comments made from people that say there is nobody 305 00:18:45.859 --> 00:18:49.079 in redacted school that does not know about Jeffrey Epstein. 306 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:52.859 Bella Hovlich calls on somebody else. Yes, sir. The juror. 307 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.769 The girls that brought these girls for $ 200, was that redacted? 308 00:18:57.140 --> 00:19:00.130 Bella Hovlich, yes. She was one of the girls. A 309 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:04.430 juror then, Bella Hovlich, there was another girl that brought them. Juror. Okay, 310 00:19:04.470 --> 00:19:06.309 then after he got some of their cell phone numbers, 311 00:19:06.589 --> 00:19:10.670 did he make his own appointments? Did he still pay redacted? Ricari, 312 00:19:10.730 --> 00:19:15.150 that's correct. Juror, okay. Ricari, and eventually they did cut 313 00:19:15.210 --> 00:19:18.970 out redacted and would contact these girls directly. Juror, oh, 314 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:22.750 that's okay. Bella Hovlich, did Jeffrey Epstein make the appointments, 315 00:19:23.029 --> 00:19:26.670 or was it done through Sarah Kellen? Ricari, through Sarah Kellen, 316 00:19:26.930 --> 00:19:30.069 his assistant. Bella Hovlich, so we don't have any of 317 00:19:30.109 --> 00:19:34.259 the girls actually making an appointment with Jeffrey Epstein himself. Ricari, 318 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.240 that's correct. Bella Hovlich, were you able to talk with 319 00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:41.299 Sarah Kellen? Ricari, no, the defense did not allow. Juror, 320 00:19:41.380 --> 00:19:44.660 so redacted claim to make it clear to Epstein that 321 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:46.420 for the two years she was going, she was in 322 00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:50.619 high school, She and, he knew that? Rakari? he knew 323 00:19:50.660 --> 00:19:53.059 that based on the sending the flowers to her school 324 00:19:53.119 -->

00:19:55.900 for her high school play that she was in bella 325 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.670 hovlich anyone else another juror raises their hand what year 326 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:02.130 when she received the flowers what class was she in 327 00:20:02.430 --> 00:20:06.150 was it a senior a junior Rakari, I want to 328 00:20:06.190 --> 00:20:09.869 say senior, but I'm not 100% positive on that. Juror, 329 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:12.640 when I ask, that is that, you know, usually a 330 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.319 senior can be 18 years old, whereas a junior is, 331 00:20:15.339 --> 00:20:18.319 you know, that was... And to that, Rakari says right. 332 00:20:18.740 --> 00:20:21.079 And juror, that would give him some knowledge of knowing 333 00:20:21.140 --> 00:20:23.980 how old she was. Bela Hovlik calls on another juror. 334 00:20:24.789 --> 00:20:27.210 The two girls that received rental cars, their parents never 335 00:20:27.309 --> 00:20:31.250 asked them where they got these cars that they were driving. Rakari, 336 00:20:31.450 --> 00:20:34.430 the one girl redacted who's still driving the car. She's 337 00:20:34.470 --> 00:20:37.549 attending college at redacted. Her parents live up here in 338 00:20:37.869 --> 00:20:40.700 in the redacted area. When she does frequent her parents, 339 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:44.680 the car is a friend's car or is borrowed. Bella Hovlik. Yes, sir. 340 00:20:44.980 --> 00:20:48.220 Another jurors called upon. Can you confirm? I believe it 341 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:51.839 was redacted had indicated that the conversations with Jeffrey Epstein 342 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.680 was that to make sure that the girls were young. Rakari, 343 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.000 the younger, the better. A juror. And the younger, the better, right? 344 00:21:00.059 --> 00:21:03.930 That was... Rakari, younger, the better was the quote. Juror, 345 00:21:04.369 --> 00:21:07.670 in that conversation, was that in reference to specifically your 346 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:12.359 friends from your school or... Rakari, that came later. Because 347 00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:15.160 she brought a 23-year-old to provide a massage and he 348 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.200 told her that she was too old. Juror, right. Okay. 349 00:21:18.539 --> 00:21:21.700 Bela Hovlik, okay. Another juror asks a question. Can I 350 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:25.680 ask you a legal question? Bella Hovlich, uh-huh. Juror, is there, 351 00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:29.279 and it says inaudible here. Bella Hovlich, yes, but we 352 00:21:29.299 --> 00:21:32.980 can discuss that when the detective's not here. Calls on 353 00:21:33.019 --> 00:21:35.809 another juror. Are all these girls available to be called 354 00:21:35.849 --> 00:21:38.630 if the case went to court? Ricari, if it went 355 00:21:38.650 --> 00:21:43.309 to trial, yes. Bella Hovlich, any other questions? Juror, have 356 00:21:43.329 --> 00:21:46.930 you been able to verify Mr. Epstein's age? Ricari, Mr. 357

00:21:46.990 --> 00:21:51.309 Epstein was born in 1951, I believe. 51 or 53, 358 00:21:51.309 --> 00:21:56.869 January of 1953, January 20th, 1953, which would have made 359 00:21:56.910 --> 00:22:02.140 him 52, 53 years of age. Bela Hovlik, and 51, 50, 360 00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:05.309 51 during the times of these events? The witness, correct. 361 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:08.759 Bela Hovlik, okay, all right, thank you very much. Juror, 362 00:22:09.019 --> 00:22:13.579 one more. I think there's another question. Bela Hovlik, oops, sorry. Juror, 363 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:15.839 is there any other evidence that the girls were in 364 00:22:15.900 --> 00:22:20.130 his house besides the one tape, besides what they're saying? Rakari, 365 00:22:20.390 --> 00:22:23.599 he did have two cameras to cover hidden cameras inside 366 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:26.759 of his house for security purposes. We did locate that computer. 367 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.319 I reviewed the image in the computer and within that 368 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.500 computer there are photographs of girls that I had previously 369 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:36.099 interviewed that appears to be them. However, because it's so grainy, 370 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:40.400 so snowy, a positive identification is, you know, it's hard to, 371 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:42.809 unless you show it to the girls, is this you? 372 00:22:43.180 --> 00:22:45.930 Which I haven't done because too much information was being 373 00:22:45.950 --> 00:22:48.200 leaked back to him. So that's why I pretty much 374 00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:52.480 stopped giving them information as far as this investigation. Bella Hovlik, 375 00:22:52.539 --> 00:22:55.480 so you can't say specifically then the pictures are of 376 00:22:55.529 --> 00:22:59.309 the girls involved? Rakari, I cannot say positively. I can 377 00:22:59.349 --> 00:23:02.329 say that this girl appeared to be like, just like redacted, 378 00:23:02.410 --> 00:23:06.690 same hairstyle, same mannerisms of walking, same clothes, that typical 379 00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:09.049 that I've seen her wear, but I can't say for 380 00:23:09.049 --> 00:23:12.190 100% that this is her. This appears to be her, 381 00:23:12.470 --> 00:23:15.920 the same body style, face, that type of, Bella Hovlik 382 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.329 interrupts him. And the girls are still in touch with him, 383 00:23:18.609 --> 00:23:22.650 telling him about your investigation. The witness, meaning Ricari, I 384 00:23:22.690 --> 00:23:26.230 know for a fact that redacted, Belahovlik, or telling Sarah 385 00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:30.589 or Nadia. Ricari, right. I know that. Redacted was called. 386 00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:33.119 And other girls that I've interviewed or approached to be 387 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.240 interviewed have called him. And he's cut off by Belahovlik. 388 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:41.039 And there are other girls that refuse to talk to you. Ricari, right. Belahovlik, 389 00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:46.420 I love Jeffrey. I'm not testifying against him. Ricari, right. Now, 390 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.480 another juror has a question. One question. Didn't you say 391 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.940 that the place in Palm Beach has the residents under surveillance? 392 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.079 The witness. When I took over the investigation, I had 393 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.299 our attack team conduct physical surveillance. And they observed these 394 00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:02.220 girls coming to the residence in their vehicles, in their 395 00:24:02.259 --> 00:24:04.720 dad's car, in their mom's car, coming to the house, 396 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.380 seeing Epstein. The, he's interrupted here by the juror, said 397 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.240 you have witnesses that can put these girls inside. And 398 00:24:11.289 --> 00:24:18.640 to that, Ricari says, absolutely. Juror, that particular residence? Rakari, absolutely. Jur, 399 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.460 there is one other thing. I forgot. Miss Belahovlik, in 400 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.809 or at his home, not in the sex acts, though. Rakari, no, 401 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.269 not in the sex acts. They were conducting surveillance from 402 00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:32.529 the outside. Jur, I know. Did you do any telephone research, 403 00:24:32.910 --> 00:24:37.349 or was everything done over cell phones? Rakari, everything was 404 00:24:37.390 --> 00:24:41.000 done over cell phones. Belahovlik, all right. Thank you very much, 405 00:24:41.140 --> 00:24:43.950 Detective Rakari. All right, we're going to wrap up here. 406 00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:45.970 And in the next episode, we're going to pick up 407 00:24:46.009 --> 00:24:48.589 where we left off. And this time, a new witness 408 00:24:48.630 --> 00:24:52.230 is taking the stand. And that's Gregory Parkinson. All of 409 00:24:52.269 --> 00:24:55.410 the information that goes with this episode can be found 410 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.000 in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back 411 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.220 to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to 412 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.960 pick up where we left off with the grand jury transcripts. 413 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.900 And that's with a new witness, Gregory Parkinson. Miss Dugan. Okay, 414 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:15.660 would you raise your right hand? Parkinson. Yes. Miss Dugan. 415 00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:18.200 Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to 416 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.940 give today will be the truth, the whole truth, and 417 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.309 nothing but the truth, so help you God? The witness. Yes, 418 00:25:24.390 --> 00:25:29.930 I do. The examination. Miss Belahovlik. Okay, would you introduce 419 00:25:29.950 --> 00:25:33.849 yourself to the grand jurors, please? Parkinson. Good morning, ladies 420 00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:38.259 and gentlemen. My name is Gregory

Parkinson. Belahovlik. How long 421 00:25:38.299 --> 00:25:41.759 have you been employed as a law enforcement officer? Answer. 422 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.880 I've been in the business 40 years now. I started 423 00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:49.960 on October 25th of 1966. Bella Hovlich. And where were 424 00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:52.930 you working then? Answer. I worked for the West Palm 425 00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:56.509 Beach Police Department, where I served for 34 years until 426 00:25:56.549 --> 00:26:00.769 I retired on July 3rd of the year 2000. I 427 00:26:00.809 --> 00:26:02.789 had the 4th of July off and went to work 428 00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:06.019 the next day as an investigator for the state attorney's office, 429 00:26:06.299 --> 00:26:09.160 where I've worked for three years. I left on February 430 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:12.700 14th of 2003 and had the weekend off, and then 431 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.339 took over a management position with the town of Palm 432 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.539 Beach Police Department, where I'm still currently employed. Bela Hovlik. 433 00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:23.319 What's your position with the Palm Beach Police Department? Answer. 434 00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:25.779 I hold the rank of police officer, but I also 435 00:26:25.819 --> 00:26:28.460 hold the title of civilian, where I am in charge 436 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:31.960 of the crime scene investigation unit, the photography unit, the 437 00:26:32.059 --> 00:26:36.619 evidence holding unit, and the fingerprint unit. Bela Hovlik. In 438 00:26:36.650 --> 00:26:39.380 your capacity as the crime scene head, did you take 439 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.299 part in the search warrant executed on Jeffrey Epstein's house 440 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.740 on August, October 20th, 2005? Answer, yes I did. Bela Hovlik, 441 00:26:49.099 --> 00:26:51.480 tell us how you go about executing a search warrant 442 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.000 in general. Answer, once the warrant is signed and brought 443 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.880 back to headquarters, I'm not aware of this at that time. 444 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:01.589 On this morning, which was a Thursday morning, when I 445 00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:03.769 went to the morning briefing at that time, I was 446 00:27:03.829 --> 00:27:06.349 informed that a search warrant would be executed and that 447 00:27:06.369 --> 00:27:09.309 it would be at this residence. My responsibility is then 448 00:27:09.349 --> 00:27:12.650 to assemble the team of evidence specialists and crime scene 449 00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:16.410 processors that will respond to this unannounced scene. We don't 450 00:27:16.430 --> 00:27:19.309 even know where we're going until we're in what looks 451 00:27:19.349 --> 00:27:22.349 like a funeral procession or a parade. All the cars 452 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:25.269 are ready to go. We follow the lead car. And 453 00:27:25.369 --> 00:27:28.309 only then, when we arrive, do we know the location. 454

00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:33.160 Bela Hovlik, why is that done? Answer, it's an issue 455 00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.839 of security. It's an issue of privacy. And it's an 456 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:39.450 issue of officer safety. So that there's a guarantee that 457 00:27:39.849 --> 00:27:42.410 there can be no leak of any information, even as 458 00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:45.490 simple as an address from my office. And we prefer 459 00:27:45.509 --> 00:27:47.890 to operate in that manner. So we don't know until 460 00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:49.990 we get there. All we really need to know is 461 00:27:50.029 --> 00:27:52.539 that we are going to be going into so that 462 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.000 we know the volume of bags, the volume of boxes, 463 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.099 the volume of gloves or masks or processing gowns or 464 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:01.289 lab coats. Whether we would need head cover to protect 465 00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:04.730 or to prevent contamination of a scene or shoe covers, 466 00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:09.250 which also prevent contamination of the scene. We don't need 467 00:28:09.269 --> 00:28:11.349 to know a lot about the scene. We only need 468 00:28:11.369 --> 00:28:13.410 to know what type of evidence we're going to be 469 00:28:13.430 --> 00:28:16.480 looking for and the potential volume or size of the area. 470 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.000 Knowing this, we are then prepared to go to the 471 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.960 scene and do whatever is necessary to fulfill the requirements 472 00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:28.410 of the search warrant. And that's searching for specific items. Ms. Belahovlich. Mr. Parkinson, 473 00:28:28.490 --> 00:28:31.789 so that would, in addition to officer safety, so that's 474 00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:35.450 someone not waiting there to ambush you? Also, nobody at 475 00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:38.079 the place to be searched knows you're coming, so they 476 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.400 can't just dispose of things? Answer, that's correct. Bello Hovlik, okay. 477 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.500 On this date, October 20th, where did you go? Answer, 478 00:28:46.859 --> 00:28:48.819 I went to a residence located on the island of 479 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.660 Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, with the address of 480 00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:56.589 358 El Brío Way. The 300 block is the block 481 00:28:56.609 --> 00:29:01.359 just immediately... West of the intercoastal waterway. Belahovlik, east of 482 00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:06.180 the intercoastal waterway? Answer, it is on the east side 483 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.990 of the intercoastal waterway. In fact, this particular residence is 484 00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:14.930 on the intercoastal waterway. Belahovlik, okay, describe to us how 485 00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:19.049 the house is entered. Answer, the residence had staff or 486 00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:22.690 personnel present at the time of our arrival. Detective Rakari 487 00:29:22.750 --> 00:29:25.690 went in ahead of me. And understanding that once you 488 00:29:25.849 --> 00:29:28.450 enter the property, there is a heightened danger factor with 489 00:29:28.509 --> 00:29:31.279 persons or personnel on the scene. And the first thing 490 00:29:31.299 --> 00:29:33.960 that must be done for everyone's safety is to go 491 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.950 in and not search for items, but clear the residence 492 00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:39.390 of living human beings so that there can be no 493 00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:43.559 access to weapons. or any endangerment to them. This was done, 494 00:29:43.940 --> 00:29:45.660 and I took part in the search of the second 495 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.660 floor on the west end of the residence. All the 496 00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:51.539 living persons, and there were no dead persons there, so 497 00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:55.079 all of the persons, non-police persons, were escorted out to 498 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.819 the south side of the residence into a patio area. Belahovlik, 499 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.339 Were they allowed to take any items out of the 500 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.680 home with them? Answer, no. Nor did the police look, touch, 501 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:08.140 or move anything, other than opening doors, closets, to make 502 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.140 sure that there were no other persons inside. It was 503 00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:13.740 not a search in the sense of the search warrant 504 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.119 at this time. It was a search of the residence 505 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.160 to clear it and neutralize any element of danger. This 506 00:30:19.220 --> 00:30:23.349 was done. This was accomplished. At this time, Officer Detective 507 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.329 Ricari would read out loud, word for word, the search 508 00:30:26.369 --> 00:30:29.210 warrant to those persons that were removed from the house. 509 00:30:29.910 --> 00:30:32.869 My responsibility at this time was to video and audio 510 00:30:32.890 --> 00:30:35.650 record the reading of that search warrant to these persons. 511 00:30:35.950 --> 00:30:38.890 That I did. And recorded it until the conclusion of 512 00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:42.319 the reading of the search warrant. Bella Hovlik, okay, were 513 00:30:42.339 --> 00:30:45.380 you requested by myself to prepare a diagram of the 514 00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:48.220 upper floor of the home searched? Answer, yes I was. 515 00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:51.660 Bella Hovlik, what rooms are on the upper floor? Answer, 516 00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:54.420 there are several rooms that are located on the second floor. 517 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.490 It's basically an L-shaped appearance where the main body of 518 00:30:57.509 --> 00:31:00.380 the house is aligned east and west. There is an 519 00:31:00.589 --> 00:31:04.829 L-shaped short leg, which protrudes to the north. That actually sits, 520 00:31:05.150 --> 00:31:09.190 that L-leg, sits over a

three-car garage. The second floor contains, 521 00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:12.430 on the west end, a large master bedroom, which is 522 00:31:12.490 --> 00:31:16.059 aligned north and south. And then, off of the south side, 523 00:31:16.299 --> 00:31:19.740 there is a large master bedroom and large closet. Coming 524 00:31:19.779 --> 00:31:22.200 back through the bathroom to the north side, there is 525 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.680 another bathroom. And these are quite large bathrooms. They're not 526 00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:28.740 like our, he's cut off there by Bela Hovlik, And 527 00:31:28.769 --> 00:31:32.269 then he continues, you know, not like my house. Bella Hovlich, 528 00:31:32.710 --> 00:31:35.410 is this the diagram you prepared? Answer, yes, it is. 529 00:31:35.849 --> 00:31:38.369 Bella Hovlich, okay, can I ask you to step down 530 00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:42.109 and indicate to the grand jurors what the upstairs looks like? 531 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:46.420 What rooms we're seeing here? Answer, to orient you, bear 532 00:31:46.460 --> 00:31:49.059 in mind, you're looking at the second floor here. And 533 00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:51.519 this is a spiral staircase, which goes from the second 534 00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:55.019 floor down to the first floor. And this, coincidentally, is 535 00:31:55.059 --> 00:31:57.349 a double door main entrance to the front of the house. 536 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.900 And once inside, oops, jer, broke the stairway. Answer, I did. 537 00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.599 I broke the stairway. Once entering the front door and 538 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.759 coming up the stairway, you entered a landing. Once inside 539 00:32:08.779 --> 00:32:11.960 the landing, it's basically a very long hallway. This hallway 540 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.720 has a double door set here and a double door 541 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.799 set here. They open inward on the east side. They 542 00:32:17.859 --> 00:32:21.259 open inward on the west side. Once coming through this hallway, 543 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.440 you then reach a normal-sized door, which gives you access 544 00:32:24.460 --> 00:32:28.359 to the master bedroom, which is the master bedroom. This 545 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.980 is the large bathroom on the south side, and this 546 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.299 is the large walk-in closet of which there are two 547 00:32:33.339 --> 00:32:35.839 doors that you can enter and walk in all the 548 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.559 way through and back out to the other. And again, 549 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.569 moving back through the bedroom past the hallway, you then 550 00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:45.190 enter another large bathroom, which has a sink, closets, and 551 00:32:45.210 --> 00:32:47.950 a large bathtub. And it was right here, what looked 552 00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:50.650 very similar to a dentist chair without the big light. 553 00:32:51.190 --> 00:32:53.140 It had all kinds of tubes and things on it. 554 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.819 I don't know really what the thing would do. Answer No, 555 00:32:57.950 --> 00:33:00.279 it was just part of the furniture there, like similar 556 00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:05.500 to a bed was here and a credenza over there. Belahovlik, 557 00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:09.019 are these toilet facilities here or is it just sinks 558 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.980 in these bathrooms? Answer, I believe that there were toilets 559 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:16.180 also there in the hall. Belahovlik, all right. Did you 560 00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:19.440 find a massage table? Answer, yes, there was a massage 561 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.509 table in the bathroom. Belahovlik, okay, how about massage oils? 562 00:33:23.750 --> 00:33:26.650 Were there massage oils up in that bathroom? Answer, I 563 00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:28.880 believe there were. I know that we got some kind 564 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.960 of jar of material out of his master bedroom, out 565 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:35.000 of one of the dressers. Bela Hovlik, what about the 566 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.299 actual room where the massage table was in? Answer, that 567 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:41.039 I'm not sure. I was involved in the actual search 568 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.500 and photography of that. Other investigators would have to comment 569 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.019 on it. Bela Hovlik, okay. Do you have the reports? Answer, 570 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:54.710 yes I do. Are they from the investigators, Bela Hovlik asks? Answer, well, 571 00:33:54.910 --> 00:33:58.579 I have the evidence sheets. Bela Hovlik, okay. Answer, of 572 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.720 where the things were found. Belahovlik, okay, could you see 573 00:34:01.779 --> 00:34:04.660 if there were any massage oils found within the same 574 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.900 room where the massage table was? Answer, okay, and items 575 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.159 that would be taken into custody by the police department 576 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.559 would be itemized on the property receipt. Like that? Answer, 577 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.380 that's true. Belahovlik, okay, but so there was a massage 578 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.739 oil found by the master bedroom. This room? Answer, yes, 579 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.500 and I actually had that pointed out to me by 580 00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:29.269 Detective Ricari. And it was called a bottle or joy jelly. 581 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.519 And it was from the master bedroom in the credenza, 582 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.599 which was right here. Bella Hovlik, okay. You could have 583 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.860 a seat again. Answer, thank you. Bella Hovlik, thank you. 584 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:42.179 You've had a chance to go over the receipts of 585 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.469 all the properties that was contained? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlik, 586 00:34:46.909 --> 00:34:49.230 did any of the officers find a purple vibrator at 587

00:34:49.269 --> 00:34:53.690 the home? Answer, I have item 24, which, which may 588 00:34:53.750 --> 00:34:56.030 be that. I have not actually seen it, but it's 589 00:34:56.070 --> 00:34:59.880 called a twin torpedo. Belahovlik, alright, the twin torpedo was 590 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:02.699 not found in the master bedroom though. Wasn't it found 591 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.099 in another bedroom? I think Detective Ricari testified it was 592 00:35:06.139 --> 00:35:10.989 found in Ghislaine Maxwell's or Nadia's bedroom. Answer, I don't know. 593 00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:13.670 I don't have a listing right here on this particular 594 00:35:13.710 --> 00:35:16.789 document as to where it was found on the evidence sheet. 595 00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:21.539 That would be covered in Detective Ricari's report. Belahovlik, nothing 596 00:35:21.579 --> 00:35:24.480 listed as a purple vibrator though? Answer, not on the 597 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.000 sheets that I have. Belahovlik, what about a white vibrator? Answer, 598 00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:31.949 I don't remember seeing a white vibrator. There may have 599 00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:37.789 been something that was recovered by them and photographed by C.S.I. Pavlich. Belahovlik, 600 00:35:37.989 --> 00:35:40.409 but you have the property receipts in this case and 601 00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:44.980 it's not listed. Answer, I don't see it listed here, no. Belahovlik, okay. 602 00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:47.780 At this point, I'm going to see if the grand 603 00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:51.420 jurors have any further questions for you. The witness, I'm 604 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.110 at your service. A juror gets called upon. Do you 605 00:35:55.130 --> 00:35:58.559 have any sexual toys other than the double-headed torpedo on 606 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.920 the list? The witness. Not on the list that I 607 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.840 have here, sir. Juror. That's the only sexual toy you have? Witness. Pardon? Juror. 608 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.360 That's the only sexual toy that was confiscated in this search? Witness. 609 00:36:12.449 --> 00:36:15.210 I believe, to my knowledge, it is. I haven't seen 610 00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:18.530 the white or purple, so I can't. He gets cut 611 00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:21.010 off here by the juror. Or any other type of 612 00:36:21.050 --> 00:36:26.929 sexual toy, period. Witness, right. Personally, I have not seen those. Juror, okay. Witness, 613 00:36:27.309 --> 00:36:29.909 but that is not uncommon either, because of the nature 614 00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:33.239 of this investigation. Detective Rakari would be the one that 615 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.460 has the knowledge on all those specific items. Other than 616 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.860 filming the room itself, or, I'm sorry, the residence itself 617 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.039 prior to the search, recording the reading of the search warrant, 618 00:36:43.539 --> 00:36:46.280 and then, folks, also after the

search, I go through 619 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.179 the re-video to show that the police did not do 620 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.719 any damage. And then the door is finally locked and secured. 621 00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:55.500 So there would be areas while I was in it, 622 00:36:55.820 --> 00:36:58.679 I photographed it from a video standpoint, I would not 623 00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.599 have direct knowledge of some of the items that were found. 624 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.489 But Detective Ricari would. Bella Hovlik. And you obtained copies 625 00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:10.369 of all the evidence sheets of evidence checked in, correct? Witness? 626 00:37:10.909 --> 00:37:16.159 I think so, yes. Bella Hovlik? Yes. Witness? Yes. Bella Hovlik? Yes. 627 00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:19.619 And only that twin torpedo is the only sexual item 628 00:37:19.659 --> 00:37:24.829 that was listed? Witness, as best as I can tell, correct. Belahovlik, okay. 629 00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:28.289 Calls on the next juror. Is that report just from 630 00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:30.869 the master bedroom, or from all the bedrooms on the 631 00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:35.590 second floor? Witness, actually it represents the entire residence, plus 632 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.820 the two, the servants' quarters, barracks, and on the southwest corner, 633 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.559 the fitness and exercise room. I believe this encompasses everything. Juror, 634 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.300 Can you point out what room that this woman Nadia 635 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:53.139 was in? Bela Hovlik, are you familiar with which bedroom 636 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.590 was Nadia's? Witness, I am not. Bela Hovlik, Detective Ricari, 637 00:37:58.929 --> 00:38:01.929 we can. The witness, right. Bela Hovlik, bring him back 638 00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:05.409 in to show that, okay? Witness, right. Bela Hovlik, any 639 00:38:05.449 --> 00:38:09.889 other questions? Another juror raises their hand. Was the suspect 640 00:38:09.949 --> 00:38:12.900 at the house at the time you served the warrant, sir? Witness, 641 00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:15.590 no sir, he was not. Juror, thank you. The next 642 00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:18.969 juror is called upon. Do your warrants have anything listed 643 00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:23.510 for like computer equipment or things like that? Witness, it did. Juror, 644 00:38:23.610 --> 00:38:27.869 it did. Witness, yes. And we did take the computer equipment. Juror, 645 00:38:28.349 --> 00:38:31.349 and can you say what's on it? Witness, that was 646 00:38:31.389 --> 00:38:34.630 handled by the special investigations unit. And while I saw, 647 00:38:34.869 --> 00:38:38.670 actually physically saw the computers and saw them disconnected and removed, 648 00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:42.289 I never saw anything that was on those computers. Juror, 649 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:45.829 And did they confiscate passports or anything from anyone in 650 00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:49.610 the home? Witness. No, sir. No passports. And there were 651 00:38:49.630 --> 00:38:54.699 no weapons in the house. Rifles. Juror. They left them. Yeah. Yes, sir. 652 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.739 They were left behind because that was never part of 653 00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.480 what we were looking for. So those were all left behind. 654 00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:03.039 Bella Hovlich calls on the next juror. Could you tell 655 00:39:03.099 --> 00:39:06.929 us the people that you found there? Who was there? Witness. 656 00:39:06.969 --> 00:39:09.329 Do I know who they were? Juror. The people. Yeah. 657 00:39:09.389 --> 00:39:12.559 Who were they? Witness. Witness. I understand one was the 658 00:39:12.579 --> 00:39:16.610 property manager. I think he was either Germanic or possibly Polish. 659 00:39:16.949 --> 00:39:19.909 He had an Eastern European accent. Jur? Was that the 660 00:39:19.969 --> 00:39:23.909 only person? Witness? No, there were, I think, three people there. Jur? 661 00:39:24.010 --> 00:39:27.179 Who were they? Witness? I don't know who they were, sir. 662 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.260 bella hovlich we can ask detective ricari witness right detective 663 00:39:31.300 --> 00:39:34.239 ricari would know who they are juror do you know 664 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:36.519 what the gentleman that owned the house was out did 665 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.369 they tell you he was out of town witness yeah 666 00:39:40.210 --> 00:39:42.769 we knew he was out of town yes bella hovlich 667 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:46.150 all right thank you witness thank you All right, so 668 00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:48.170 this is where we're going to wrap up, where they 669 00:39:48.230 --> 00:39:51.429 let go of the witness here. And the next witness 670 00:39:51.449 --> 00:39:53.940 that they're bringing up is going to be Joe Ricari 671 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.239 once again. And in the next episode, that's where we're 672 00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:00.300 going to pick up. All of the information that goes 673 00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:03.389 with this episode can be found in the description box.