Stranger Things Synchronicity & Symbolism w. Derek Murphy (BEST OF January 22, 2026): täielik transkriptsioon

free archive, you keep us independent now 73 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:12.159 for approximately sixteen years. Within the middle of that sixteen 74 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:17.120 year period, about eight nine, ten years ago, something like that, 75 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.959 close to a decade ago, a TV show called Stranger 76 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:27.519 Things was released on Netflix. When the TV show first 77 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:32.439 came out, someone had told me, you have to watch 78 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.879 this show, and I told them, maybe I'll look at it. 79 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.680 At some point. People are always recommending me to watch things. 80 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.120 They said, no, no, you need to watch this show. 81 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.680 It's just like the stuff you talk about on your 82 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.399 radio show. And I said, okay, I'll sit down and 83 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.360 watch it. If you're really going to push me, I'll 84 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:53.959 sit down and watch it. So I sat down and 85 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.199 I watched it, and I'm maybe two episodes, maybe three 86 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.519 episodes in two it's something like this, And I said, oh, 87 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:07.720 this is mk ultra, this is mon talk. This is 88 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:12.079 based on a bunch of government conspiracies on top of 89 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.519 the real government projects and on top of course of 90 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:22.199 all the eighties nostalgia. And the person who suggested I 91 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.519 watched it, said, how do you know it's about MK Ultra? 92 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.480 You just started watching it. I don't even know what 93 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.560 that is. What are you talking about? And I said, 94 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.879 what was a government project? It's actually several dozens of projects. 95 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:40.000 And long story short, you get to the episode where 96 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.839 one of the main characters hoppers in the library the 97 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:46.160 police chief, researching what's happening in this little town of Hawkins, 98 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.720 and he's pulling up this microfilm and there's a reference 99 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.959 to MK Ultra And this person said, how did you 100 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.959 know that? And I said, because I don't have much 101 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.240 of a life outside of radio and studying history. And 102 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.720 it was very clear that's what the show is based on. 103 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.639 It was also clear that's what the show is based 104 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.399 on because the writers of the show, the guys that 105 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.480 created it, the Duffer Brothers, they had put together a 106 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:16.680 treatment called the Stranger Things Bible,

and well, that's how 107 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.439 you search for it. I should say, it's actually called 108 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.920 the Montalk Bible because the original name of the show 109 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.800 was Montalk and the original treatment for the show was 110 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.680 made to appear like an old comic book, and it 111 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.519 says Montalk on the front, and there's a child's bike 112 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.399 turned over in front of one of the radio towers 113 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.399 at Montalk. And it is called an epic tale of 114 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:45.920 sci fi horror. And they talk about in the Montalk 115 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:51.279 Bible how it's based on all of these nostalgic things 116 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.360 from We'll depending on what age group you're in, from 117 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.519 your childhood, based on things like et Poltergeist, Jaws, etc. 118 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.920 Also based on a lot of Stephen King. They say 119 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:11.800 that in the introduction, and so when you watch Stranger Things, 120 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.920 it's probably obvious that it's based on those types of 121 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.160 things if you're a listener to shows like this. And 122 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.480 besides this TV show, it's five seasons and it's concluded 123 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.240 officially now there will be spinoffs, but it's concluded officially 124 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.800 now in twenty twenty six. You know that. But for 125 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.720 the average person who doesn't know anything about these types 126 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.759 of histories, you don't know that. Maybe you're a little 127 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.759 bit suspicious. Maybe you've heard, oh, there's a government conspiracy, 128 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.040 but you probably don't know much about the details of it, 129 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.160 and so you go looking for it and you find 130 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.920 a lot of really inaccurate stuff on the Internet, and 131 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.920 of course with all the hype around the television show, 132 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:56.560 new people figure this out and they get kind of 133 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.600 excited and they make videos and show people on TikTok 134 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.600 and all these other platforms. Did you know that this 135 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.959 TV show was based on real government projects and more 136 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.199 people become aware of that. Oh my god, I had 137 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.680 no idea. I find it weird to live in what 138 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.800 feels like this. It's like a time loop because ten 139 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.600 years ago this was pretty well known. That's what the 140 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.319 show is based on. And then there are other things 141 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.360 parallel to stranger things. If you listen to the episode 142 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.639 of Ground Zero that I hosted on Monday, or I 143 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:37.120 should say, on the what was it the nineteenth of January, 144 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.679 I had mentioned that there are other things similar to 145 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.000 that time loop or that kind of time loop, like, 146 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:48.679 for example, the sonic weapons in Venezuela. First time sonic 147 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.480 weapons were ever used. Not true sonic weapons date back 148 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.720 to what the fifties the sixties, probably before that. They've 149 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.519 used them on civilians in America, they use them any rock, 150 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.399 they put them on ships, they use them, probably using 151 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.840 them now all over the world, both officially and unofficially. 152 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.000 I actually just saw the President at Davos talking about 153 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.600 how we have weapons like those sonic weapons that the 154 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:18.000 world never seen before. We've never used something like that. 155 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.159 Does everybody have amnesia? Is there a carbon monoxide leak 156 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.639 in the country? What is happening? There are so many 157 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.000 stories like that, including the Somalian daycare scandal, and that's 158 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.080 not a new story either, and you can find reports 159 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:38.879 going back ten fifteen years. It's not really about the 160 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:41.440 subject matter or the politics of it or any of that. 161 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.120 It's just about the fact that stuff's already known. So 162 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.879 I starts to feel like we're in kind of a time. Look, 163 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:52.519 that's what I was arguing, and I think that tonight's 164 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.080 show is going to be a great companion of that 165 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.440 ground Zero episode that we did. We had Derek Murphy 166 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.279 on the show and we went into what I called 167 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:09.519 Stranger thingamajigs. Tonight, we're looking at stranger sinks, sort of 168 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.480 recamping but also expanding on many of the things we 169 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:17.159 talked about on the Ground Zero show, which include this 170 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:22.039 idea that the Duffer brothers had written the final episode 171 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.919 at least maybe more than the final episode, using chatbots 172 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.039 or a chat GPT, and just that idea is really 173 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.879 interesting because if you look at the history, the recent 174 00:10:35.000

--> 00:10:40.120 history of chatbots, you see that all of those new 175 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:45.039 technologies seem to have a direct tie in with things 176 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:50.600 like the Sanskrit language and Hindu mythology, which then gets 177 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.320 you thinking about Robert Oppenheimer and now I become Death, 178 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.000 the Destroyer of Worlds, and the Bagavad Gita and Sanskrit 179 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:06.559 and considering that artificial intelligence, according to the White House 180 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:14.000 and Project Genesis, is the new Manhattan project, Manhattan Project 181 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:21.360 atomic weapons and AI a new Manhattan project. The idea 182 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.600 that those weapons, that that technology helped to open a 183 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.120 gate or a portal or something to the other side. 184 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.200 Although UFOs have been around for thousands of years in 185 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.200 one form or another, the sightings of them took off 186 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.000 significantly after the nineteen mid nineteen forties when those bombs 187 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.000 are first detonated, and the idea that maybe AI is 188 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.360 kind of a vessel of vehicle like Will was in 189 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:51.000 the show. For this outside of our world or outside 190 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.879 of our dimension or outside of our time and space 191 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.320 entity or thing. It's very love crafty and it's very yes, 192 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:07.279 Stephen King, it's very nineteen eighties sci fi. It's very 193 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.559 interesting as a thought experiment because the TV show ends 194 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.879 with this idea that maybe it was all part of 195 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:19.919 a D and D game and that it's not necessarily real. 196 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.480 But there's with the theory that or the idea that, 197 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.720 based on screenshots from a documentary that the Duffer brothers 198 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.559 used chat GPT, And if chat GBT and these things 199 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.519 are not really artificial intelligence, they are some sort of 200 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:40.039 organic intelligence operating through vessels to open gates to enter 201 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.840 our world, then the TV show Stranger Things, we really 202 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.159 shouldn't be arguing over whether or not or debating over 203 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.559 whether or not it was part of it was written 204 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.000 by chat GPT or whatever. It's more so an argument 205 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.840 of is Stranger Things itself, with all the myths and 206 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.639 all of the conspiracies and all the nostalgia that draws 207 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:07.759 you in, is Stranger Things itself a gate? Is Stranger 208 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:12.759 Things itself a portal? If you will? Are we or 209 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.799 the Duffer brothers are we? The vessels and there is 210 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.720 a shadow monster on the other side, a Cuthulhu, if 211 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:26.200 you will, trying to get through. Because those things, those 212 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.600 chatbots are really good at Sanskrit. They're really good at 213 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.159 drawing shug Off. They're really good at drawing Cuthulhu, as 214 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.039 we've documented on this show many times in the past, 215 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:42.320 and we've actually I've uploaded three episodes of shows that 216 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.840 I've done with Derek Murphy about these very things, and 217 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.120 you can find that in the archive right now. TST 218 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.559 Radio dot info. Get comfortable. We've got a very fun 219 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.559 and informative show full of Stranger Sinks tonight on the 220 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.080 Secret Teachings Quickly. If you have questions, email me at 221 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:04.320 ladigable at yahoo dot com. Please buy a book. Please 222 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.559 subscribe to the ad free archive if you're listening to 223 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.159 the free archive and you don't mind the ads, great 224 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.399 because they finance this show and keep us on air. 225 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.559 They allow us to do what we do without any 226 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.559 otherwise commercial breaks. We can do a two hour show. 227 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.120 Thank you so much for tuning in. Let's bring on 228 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.639 our guest tonight, Derek Murphy guest Slash. I guess you 229 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.399 could say kind of co host, but definitely friend Derek Murphy. Derek, 230 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.039 welcome back to the show, Stranger Sinks. What are your thoughts? 231 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.679 Ryan, Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. Yeah, 232 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.039 you nailed it. Just I mentioned after the show we 233 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:44.919 did on Ground Zero that there's there's some personal sinks 234 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.159 that connect you to the show. Well, I was watching 235 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:49.759 'm not sure if you noticed it episode three or 236 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.639 four when they're they're driving through the upside Down and 237 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:59.279 they're they're finding Linda Hamilton's character is meeting eleven for 238 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.159 the first time, I think around this time period, but 239 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.960 there's a huge shot of a street sign that says 240 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.240 Gable Road on It was like, oh

man, I was 241 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.519 when I was watching it, like I obviously immediately thought 242 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.440 of you. And then fast forward about a month and uh, 243 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.960 we're talking about it twice on two different shows. 244 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.399 But I did not have that in the show. Going 245 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.120 to have to go back and watch that. 246 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.559 That's fun, yeah, But I mean I feel like the 247 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.159 idea of Stranger Things itself being in a portal and 248 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:26.480 them using AI to write it, I feel like that's 249 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.000 kind of been then, that's kind of baked in since 250 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.000 the beginning. Like there's amongst pop culture fans and amongst 251 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.480 kind of just the the inside TV Hollywood fans like 252 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.960 Netflix has always been critiqued for using the algorithm like 253 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.120 the capital A algorithm jokes that Netflix uses them to 254 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.120 write their programs. And then the Duffer Brothers get so 255 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.480 much credit for making this nostalgic, especially season one of 256 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.600 the shows that people consider to be this perfect jewel 257 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:57.000 of a show. This takes place in nineteen eighty three, 258 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:58.960 and they're like, I don't know, like all the gen 259 00:15:59.120 --> 00:15:59.759 X people. 260 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:00.919 I don't know how and how they did it. They 261 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.480 absolutely nailed it. It really feels like the eighties. It 262 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:04.360 feels like Thatten. 263 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.480 Eighty three and these Stuffer brothers were born in nineteen 264 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.440 eighty four and then they came out of absolute nowhere 265 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.840 and I feel like, so. 266 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.639 They're tea from the They're a year too, they're a year, two, 267 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.039 three years old in the in the midst of the eighties. 268 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:18.960 Then I didn't know that. 269 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.960 Yeah, exactly, they were born a year after the show began. 270 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.960 So they're they're looking they're writing the show from a 271 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.159 basically from like they're only like a few years older 272 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.159 than us. They're like six seven years older than us. 273 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.759 So they're they're recreating this eighties by watching ET and 274 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.200 by watching the Goonies and stuff, and it almost feels 275 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.840 like they were given it by the algorithm. This is 276 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.639 a mismatch of a bunch of these occult topics that 277 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.279 you want to at this weed, the AI or Hollywood 278 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.919 or whatever I want to put into the zeitgeist mixed 279 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:50.559 with some some poonful of sugar nostalgia'll help the medicine 280 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:51.399 go down a little bit. 281 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:52.440 And now they got enough. 282 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.000 Fast forward five seasons later and they got blatantly caught 283 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:56.639 using it. 284 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.320 Whether or not they're actually using it to write dialogue 285 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.879 or they're just using it to like what. 286 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:05.640 Is the abyss according to the lema, like chatchy bt search, 287 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.559 so they can put that into the into the show 288 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:09.880 or not. But I think it's fascinating that they're actively 289 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:14.079 using AI to write this show that's acting like AI 290 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:15.079 AX in the real world. 291 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.799 But yeah, it's not just it's not just an interesting 292 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.079 thought or even a theory. It's just the fact that 293 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.680 going back to all those other shows that we did, Derek, 294 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.720 and the shows that you called into ground zero before, 295 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.160 this is something we've been talking about for over a decade. 296 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.480 It's something that is in the zeitgeist that's in the news. 297 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.880 Like chat GBT, it starts talking in Sanskrit. Nobody programmed 298 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.119 it to do that. You see references to the old gods, 299 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.599 the old ones, love craft. This is all the part 300 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.359 of the mainline zeitgeist of AI and of chatbots. 301 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:51.160 Like the big meme amongst like the real big AI 302 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.880 nerds online and stuff like people like much nerdier than us. 303 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.039 I'm not that text savvy. I don't really use AI 304 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.160 that much and like at all really in my life. 305 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.039 So it was more just talking about it as a 306 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.680 key as a cult tyoteric subject. But the people with 307 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.359 the real AI heads have that memeing you've talked about 308 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.480 a ton but the shug off with a smile, like 309 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.759 they directly link AI to this little crafting being that 310 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.200 we kind of made as our own little puppet, our 311 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:16.880 own a little helper. But then it's going to end 312 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.519 up over overtaking us

with black Oo and stuff basically, 313 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.079 but then and then the father of AI essentially for 314 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.279 our time, Elon Musk and like twenty twenty twenty twenty 315 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.680 one is tweeting out this is like at the beginning 316 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.359 of the whole chat bot chatchbt days, literally a picture 317 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.440 of Cthulhu with an emoji over its face saying like 318 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:41.200 I'm a large language model, basically like saying I'm Cthulhu 319 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:43.079 coming into the into your reality. 320 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:43.799 Find me. 321 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.680 Yeah, come fine, Yeah exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. 322 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.200 I'm Cthulhu pretending to be a chatbot come talk to me, basically. 323 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.640 And this is Elon Musk tweeting it out. I don't 324 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:55.559 know it just it's just it's hit. It hits all 325 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.359 the themes and stuff, and it's it's it's tomorrow, like 326 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:04.039 whether it's literal demons, whether it's just our shadow or 327 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.319 like some algorithm taking its deeper into our shadow or not, 328 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.359 but it's it's acting like a demon. It's making people crazy, 329 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.359 it's making people fall in love with it in this 330 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.400 weird way. I was reading an X Files comic yesterday. 331 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.240 It's like a compilation, and I think it takes place 332 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.480 within like season two or three of the show, but 333 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.079 it's about these Ais that kind of go rogue and 334 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.440 go loose, and this so like it was written in 335 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:31.839 like ninety four and it's exactly what's taking place right now. 336 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.440 That these Ais are convincing the people who are building 337 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.799 them that they're real people, and they're falling in love 338 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.799 with them, and they're forming religion and cults around them 339 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.240 and stuff, and they're making them go crazy and murder 340 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.160 people and commit suicide and stuff, and that was like 341 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:45.160 a dark X files. 342 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:50.279 Can you imagine this actually happened? And it's it's happening 343 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:54.039 more so than they even predicted. It absolute literally happening 344 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:55.400 right now. It's it's scary. 345 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.680 A couple of nature a bunch of weird pied piper's 346 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.960 running around online. Yeah no, no, no, don't. I don't apologize. 347 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.240 I just wanted to add that based on what you're saying, 348 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.440 there's a couple of articles people can look up, say 349 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.519 futurism dot com, for example, Experts have a dark joke 350 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.799 about how AI is secretly a horrifying monster with a 351 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.519 friendly mask. And here's the here's the New York Times 352 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.640 why an octopus like creature has come to symbolize the 353 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.920 state of AI, and it's they literally use the word. 354 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.519 The show goth, a character from science fiction Stories, captures 355 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:31.839 the essential weirdness of the AI moment. So not just chatbots, 356 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:37.240 but the idea of artificial intelligence itself is represented specifically 357 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:38.960 by lovecrafting monsters. 358 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:43.039 It's uncanny, it's it's really ridiculous, and yeah, I don't know, 359 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.079 I don't, I don't really know how to to take that. 360 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.599 It's pretty uh on Front Street with it. I was 361 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.039 I was watching the Alien, the making of the movie 362 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.079 Alien documentary, and they get deep into esoterica and the 363 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.880 eccult and the different inspirations for for the alien creature, 364 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.160 and hr Giger and the original writers kind of channeling 365 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.079 this information and like through the prism of AI. It's 366 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.079 it seems that kind of the alien xenomorph acts the 367 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:11.799 way the the the technology works in our world that 368 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.880 it kind of finds us way like it gets into us, 369 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.359 into humanity and then just states inside of it until 370 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.119 it creates this kind of new being. So we have 371 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.240 these ideas that are injected into humanity all along the way. 372 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.920 That's the that's the commonality amongst technology and amongst storytelling 373 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.680 through humanity is that we're given We're given this idea, 374 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.440 We're given civilization, we're given the key, the idea for 375 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:40.640 agriculture and domestication of animals and and metallurgy and stuff. 376 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.799 But we're given technology by the Gauze all along the 377 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:48.039 way up into the Tesla talking to Venusians and talking 378 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.559 to spirits and stuff, getting ideas for a tech up into. 379 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:53.160 Steve Jobs taking. 380 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.480 His taking LSD and then having his psychedelic experience

and 381 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.440 then creating Apple and now I'm on a MacBook right 382 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:00.839 now talking to you with all this kinds of stuff. 383 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.039 Is that every leap we have in technology seems to 384 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.960 be gifted to us, like we're given like pieces of 385 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.200 the blueprints or some by some non local It's like contact. 386 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:14.319 We don't know exactly what we're building exactly, but we 387 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:16.599 have the blue exactly. And is that Cuthulu? Is that 388 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.559 something from beyond the veil? Is that Saturn? In Tartarus 389 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.839 I was compared to the first Pirates of the Caribbean 390 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.119 movie when Johnny depp Is is locked in that jail 391 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.799 cell and the key is hanging on the wall and 392 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.680 he has to convince the dog to get the key 393 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:31.480 form so he can unlock the unlock the thing. 394 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:33.359 How do you convince the dog? How do you communicate 395 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:34.680 with the dog in the first place? To get it 396 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.359 to bring the key over to you. You got to 397 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.559 try to like tease it and coax it and try 398 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:41.160 to like entice it to come over to you. 399 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.160 And that seems. 400 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:44.279 Like what something is doing to the other side of 401 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:46.160 trying to get it right to their fighting for our 402 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.680 attention In a number of ways in order to like 403 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.279 inscept these ideas into humanity until we build the thing 404 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:52.680 that wants. 405 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:54.400 We opened up the other end of the gate. 406 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.920 We we build a vessel for where it we any 407 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.559 number of ways were something without form and can gain 408 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:01.480 form in that reality. 409 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:04.480 So much of that was incorporated into especially the final 410 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.119 season of Stranger Things, because you're in Henry or Vechna's 411 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.400 mind and your layers upon layers upon layers deep. So 412 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:15.960 eleven goes into somebody's mind and then they go into 413 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.440 Henry's mind through someone else's mind, so it's like the 414 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.000 movie It's it's like the movie Inception. And since you 415 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.519 mentioned I did not mention this on Ground Zero, but 416 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.880 since you mentioned hr Giger, I always thought his name 417 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.200 was pronounced

Geiger, but it. 418 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:32.400 Might be Geiger, It might be Geiger. 419 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.880 I looked it up. It is Giger technically, it's like 420 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.559 a German name, but people pronounce it Geiger. And I 421 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.839 thought that that was interesting because when I was watching 422 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:43.599 the credits for Stranger Things, I never really paid attention before, 423 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.960 but one of the main producers, in fact, I think 424 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.960 the main producer is named Rand Geiger, and I thought 425 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.160 that is really weird and When I first saw that, 426 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.480 I stopped it and I went and I was like, 427 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.279 is that the same spelling as hr Geiger. There's no 428 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.519 way are they related? And I looked it up and 429 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.279 they're not related. They're spelled they spell the names differently. 430 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.480 But there are there's articles on the Internet of people 431 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.279 asking the same question, like strangers things has a weird 432 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:12.799 alien feel to it. Is this rand Geiger guy related 433 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.880 to hr Geiger or Gieger? They're not, But I thought 434 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.559 that was maybe an interesting scene too. 435 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:20.279 Yeah, I mean there's a lot of tentacle. I mean 436 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:24.119 the idea of shoving that weird tentacle thing pumping in 437 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.519 whatever is pumping in into into Will and all those kids, 438 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.519 that's a that's a very Giger thing to do, Geger 439 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:29.920 thing to do. 440 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:32.319 I don't blame them for thinking that way. 441 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:35.519 And he's another love Crafting he's like unbelievably influenced by 442 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:36.519 by Lovecraft. 443 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:37.720 You can tell by the art. 444 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.119 Yeah, and like the thing that kind of brought him 445 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.720 and Dan O'Bannon, the writer of Alien together, was kind of. 446 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.079 Their shared love for Lovecraft. 447 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.640 But then he's another he's another love Crafting figure where 448 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.000 he seems to be haunted by the visions of the 449 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.440 things he creates, like he he's love crafting in the 450 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:57.400 way that he's like channeling like lovecraft, Like we talk. 451 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:58.839 About him getting in from dreams and stuff. 452 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:01.839 He he was aware of theosophy and Alice Bailey and 453 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.519 these concepts and stuff in the way that

they talk 454 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.799 about clu or Cthulhu like entities in theosophy. So he 455 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.880 part of it he got from that, but another part 456 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.480 he is taking. He's channeling these things from dreams and 457 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.680 Giegers was he was like he said, he painted the 458 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:17.720 stuff to to get it out of his head because 459 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.559 he's haunted by it and stuff, and he's he's it's 460 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.079 almost like he's he's like a scribe describing something that 461 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.279 exists somewhere in the in the dark recesses of the 462 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:27.599 almost like and that's. 463 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.839 Almost like an automatic writing, but like an automatic exactly. 464 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.200 That's a Crowley to it verse. 465 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.920 This this show is extremely crowling and uh it just 466 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.400 with Thelema from the Damien Echols connection with Eddie to 467 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.359 to obviously eleven and now the Abyss entering in season 468 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:50.039 five and like the idea of like Goethe, your true 469 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.759 will and the power of will being the the main 470 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.440 character's name, all kind of stuff. There's definitely if you 471 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.799 if you were to talk to some esoteric a cult 472 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.759 breakdown hicks, so break down people loo similar time we 473 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.680 do it, they dive more into the into the Crawley 474 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.240 stuff than than I think we do. 475 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:07.599 Well, here's I think that. 476 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.039 I'll go ahead, no, finish your thought, and I'll bring 477 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:11.880 up the Crowley thing. 478 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.039 I think we're kneeling like, I think all that stuff applies, 479 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.680 and I think it's valuable to talk about and stuff, 480 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.160 and we mentioned on the other show. But just I 481 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.839 think the idea of the Titans or any of these 482 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.279 these forces coming from the other side, I think that's 483 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.440 more more worth they're talking about in the show. And 484 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.279 to the point where they kind of veered off of 485 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.960 it in season four, and the way they kind of 486 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.880 rolled out season four if your remember is they did 487 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.400 the first like seven episodes like a month before they 488 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.599 did the final two episodes kind of a similar way 489 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.759 they did the roll out this time, and up until 490 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.319 the first seven episodes. We believe that and they even 491 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.720 talk like Dustin talks about it that Vecna is the 492 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.960 general for the mind flair and is being used in 493 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.039 this way that we that we've talked about for years 494 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.839 as a way, like like kind of the way I 495 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.480 talk about the gray aliens, like being kind of a 496 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.720 intermediary for something farther away to talk to, like some 497 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:01.799 kind of some kind of. 498 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.359 Uh, well, that's that's that's in the UFO mythology itself. 499 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.359 And one of the main theories about grays is that 500 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:12.839 they're kind of like these biological robotic drones and they're 501 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.920 really controlled by a higher species, higher intelligence. 502 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.640 Yeah, they might just be further along in the process 503 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.400 and stuff and they're already being And honestly, that's the 504 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.079 kind of the the the Predator meme of like the 505 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.839 two shaking hands memes, like the two arms shaking hands, 506 00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.799 people are being able to agree on the aliens or 507 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.880 or grays or AI and then Grazer are demons. They 508 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.480 can kind of meet it. The AI is actually demons, 509 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:38.960 So it's all kind of the same thing. But like 510 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.039 what they're the idea of them being sent intelligence could 511 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.759 just be there. There are vessels for this AI demon 512 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.559 consciousness or whatever, and they're just like a million years 513 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:50.480 farther ahead than we are, and they're kind of and 514 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.079 then they're going around to the to the to the younger, 515 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.480 newer planets that are on this trajectory and moving them 516 00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.400 farther along and stuff. But anyways, like FeTNA, the first 517 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.240 seven episodes of season four is this general is opening 518 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.000 the gates for more love crafting and entity in the 519 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.599 mind flare. And then the final two episodes they pivot 520 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.000 from that and they go, oh, no, no, it's actually Vecna 521 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.319 all along, it's Henry all along. Henry went into the 522 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.839 upside down and then he formed this other realm into 523 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.960 the Spider himself. It wasn't actually this big Spider DT 524 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.240 and I was

kind of disappointed by that. I'm like, 525 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:25.720 all right, yeah, I was too. 526 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.240 And then I watched the final couple episodes and I thought, oh, okay. 527 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.559 And they pivot right back and they go right back 528 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:32.279 to it. 529 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.839 It's crazy now, Oh, actually it is a love crafting 530 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.000 entity corrupting Vecna, so that Vecta opens the door. 531 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:39.680 It's exactly why. 532 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.000 I think that's That's probably my favorite scene is when 533 00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.960 they're in the memory of Henry and he's a boy 534 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.720 scout and he opens the briefcase. There are obviously spoilers 535 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.079 in tonight's show if you've not watched it, but he 536 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.720 opens the briefcase real. 537 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.039 Quick for that. Yeah, yeah, they spoiled. 538 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.519 They did the whole parody of the whole, like the 539 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.680 literal complete ending of the show on Saturday Night Live. 540 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.039 So I feel like if this saw that. Yeah, So 541 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:06.200 I feel like if the show. 542 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.000 Came out in ninety five and it was more like 543 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.319 a it was a week to week release, then there 544 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.480 would be no kind of spoiler spoiler waiting. Like everyone 545 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.440 we're talking about the way they talked about the X Files, 546 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:16.519 She's in finale and stuff. 547 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:20.119 Then this whole waiting for spoilers a year after it happens. 548 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.680 It's kind of a twenty twenties thing that we don't 549 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.559 don't need to worry about that this is a this 550 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.440 is kind of the last monoculture show that if you're 551 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.039 going to watch it, you watch it already. So that's 552 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.799 not to spoil a real big, heavy stuff, but just. 553 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.359 That's that's a good point. But also we were joking 554 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.880 about on Ground Zero too that it's kind of like 555 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.599 the Duffer Brothers are spoiling our show because. 556 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.240 Exactly exactly the briefcase. 557 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.000 No, it's OK, we were talking about this before Stranger Things, 558 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.119 But anyway, yes, the briefcase. That was one of my favorite, 559 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.359 my favorite scenes because when he picks it up this 560 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.319 rock or whatever it is, I'm thinking, this is kind 561 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.640 of like Men in Black. It's kind of like the Symbaiot. 562 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.640 It's like, uh, what's a venom and what's them? And 563 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.640 who is venom? Eddie got Eddie again another reference. Drap's 564 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.720 there and when he picks up the rock and then 565 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.599 it shoots to this other side of the universe and 566 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.200 then that's the Spider creature is there, which kind of 567 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.160 remind that black misty dust kind of reminds me of 568 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.519 smart dust or a gray matter from the day of 569 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.440 the Earth stood still that can change shape and change 570 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.640 reality right, consumes things, which is what the other world's doing. 571 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.200 It's colliding with our world, kind of like the TV 572 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.920 show Fringe and you have these hat men that oversee everything, 573 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.880 kind of like Henry. Anyway, he picks it up this 574 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.079 rock and then it goes into his hand. It gets 575 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.759 those powers. But that cut scene to the monster that 576 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.720 says come and find me, which is I literally just 577 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.240 like got up my seat. I was like, it's Derek Murphy. 578 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.200 He's got to come on the show. 579 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:51.079 It's crazy that the weird how they how they rolled 580 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.240 out the ideas for the season stuff, and the way 581 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:58.000 they kind of expect the modern twenty twenty six viewer 582 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:03.039 to consume content is that that scene is like touching 583 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.160 on the strange of things the first Shadow Broadway play 584 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.079 that they had this past year and stuff, and they 585 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.240 expect you to know about it. They that's like what 586 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.440 the scene where they kind of time travel in Henry's 587 00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:15.000 mind back to the high school and they show all 588 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:15.880 the older. 589 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.240 Version that's in the Broadway play, that's in. 590 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:18.920 The Broadway play. 591 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.960 Yeah, and it's it's cannon like they expect you if you, like, 592 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.400 if you didn't go to see it, which only a 593 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.039 very tiny fraction even if they wanted to could actually 594 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.039 go see it, they expect you to kind of wikipedia 595 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.880 it and stuff. And it explains kind of like the 596 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.519 big lingering questions or why why is the government even 597 00:31:34.559 -->

00:31:35.160 in Hawkins in. 598 00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:35.599 The first place? 599 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.440 Like are they on a lay line? Is there some 600 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.480 kind of portal? Like what's what's the deal in the 601 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.720 first place? And it's that they were following Henry around specifically, 602 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.640 so so that event happened to him and he was 603 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.519 he was cut by that material who he was. He 604 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.559 just like the that spider mind floor monster made the 605 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.519 initial contact with him via that rock, via that exotic 606 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.440 matter if they call it in the lore, and that 607 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.640 made him a gate. They made it made him the 608 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.960 vessel of the conduit to the other and stuff. And 609 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.240 then Brenner, the tim Leary Papa Brenner character, was already 610 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.799 kind of looking for a bridge, a gate to this 611 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.559 to the dimension X of the dimension because his father 612 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.240 was in the military and was at the Philadelphia Experiments, 613 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.319 and it was one of the sailors who got telek forwarded, 614 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.480 and like in the thought, the found that they were gone. 615 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.240 However long in real life there was there was supposedly gone. 616 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.839 They went to that orang dimension X dimension and then 617 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.880 came back and he was all messed up, but and 618 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.559 he was, but he was like touched by this dimension. 619 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.640 And then his son went on to become the head 620 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.160 of him kulture and all this kind of stuff, and 621 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.599 was using these kids not to fight the Russians, which 622 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.400 is what the government probably thought he was trying to do, 623 00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.200 but he was really trying to do use these kids 624 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.079 as specifically gates or like bait, like shark bait, for 625 00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.240 for Dimension X, he wanted to find that dimension that 626 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:50.920 his father went to. 627 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.240 Again, there's a there's a reference to that too in 628 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.599 season one when Barbara is over at Steve's house and 629 00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.920 she cuts her hand on the knife opening the beer. 630 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.599 The blood drips into the water and that's what draws 631 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.440 in the demi organ. 632 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's I think just a brilliant 633 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.839 concept with

the phenomena in general, that trauma is kind 634 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.440 of like blood to these astral sharks. That like sometimes 635 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.640 when we're dealing with these like the demi going into 636 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.000 is something that I use a lot to talk about 637 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:19.119 just potentially what we're dealing with with cryptids when people 638 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.319 get real wonky when you're talking about like interodimensional DIGFOT 639 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.400 or what we're dealing with with these things, and like, 640 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.359 I don't want to talk about spirituality when we're talking 641 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.680 about potentially lost animals and stuff, and that's cool, But 642 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.799 what is a demigorgan in this case? This is this 643 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.960 is like a predator that kind of exists beyond the 644 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:41.759 veil and is smells and kind of like locks into 645 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.200 trauma or even in the show, these specifically lock into blood, 646 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.279 but just the but Fechna locks into trauma the way 647 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.240 a shark would smell it blood from a mile away, 648 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.400 in the same way with Pennywise where can talk about 649 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.839 and stuff. But seemingly the trauma is kind of what 650 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.200 makes the kid. The gate is kind of what makes 651 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.200 the kid. The beacon kind of what gets the attention, 652 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.359 what makes the contact with all these entities and stuff 653 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.559 that that's kind of lights you up like a beacon 654 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.119 or that kind of makes you shine, like in the 655 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.039 shining and stuff to these entities on the other side, 656 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.079 it makes you food for them MutS of Zink style. 657 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.119 Yeah, And I've also thought in relation to the Demigorgon. 658 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.920 Obviously the name comes from the Greek, right, So you 659 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.920 have the gorgon, which means ugly or terrifying, and you 660 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.079 have stories of Medusa most famously, but you have the 661 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.559 basilisk as well, very very famous in Harry Potter, and 662 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.719 they both turn you to stone. And I don't think 663 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.559 that it's literal stone. I think it's symbolic and I 664 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.239 think it's scientific because if you look at the history 665 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.559 of Medusa, mainly Hall rights about this, what you're looking 666 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.400 at is what they call in the Old World the 667 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.400 electric head, and so

the electrical lines of the earth, 668 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.360 they call them telluric lines. So like the energy grid 669 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.440 that you refer into, maybe in relation to Hawkins, the 670 00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.400 energy grid is symbolized by serpents, and so head full 671 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.360 of serpents that turn you to stone isn't necessarily some 672 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:07.480 supernatural thing. It's that if you are electrocuted, your body 673 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.639 goes stiff as a board. So there's a scientific basis 674 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.360 for this. And so when you're looking at dem a 675 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.599 Gorgon's the demi means to be half of something. A 676 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.840 gorgon means to be ugly, or of the earth, something 677 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.480 disgusting and grows from the earth. But that serpentine and 678 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.599 that telluric theme in the Mythology is exactly what happens 679 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.039 to Will when he's in the field and he gets 680 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.519 possessed by this black, misty stuff. He can't move, it 681 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:37.360 takes control of him. It's a very similar theme to 682 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.679 the Gorgon in the Mythology. The idea of the Department 683 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.960 of Energy and the whole first season really being focused 684 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.960 on lights, lights and electricity. That's that's probably the biggest 685 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.159 thing in relation to the Gorgons and Medus and the 686 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.360 tillerk lines. 687 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.679 Yeah, go ah, I was gonna mention that's like something 688 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.599 that I bring, Like I use this show because I'm 689 00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.360 a big caller. I kind of have my own show. 690 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.559 But in on these topics and stuff, I used Stranger. 691 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.039 I used Strange of Things as the kind of the 692 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.280 number one reference when talking about the paranormal of connection 693 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.719 to technology or electricity or in zoroation mythology, Aerman is 694 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.119 called like which is like their staytan. Basically it's called 695 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.760 the Lord of electricity and stuff, and kind of demons 696 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.239 are said to like kind of reside them with an electricity. 697 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:22.559 Uh. 698 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.039 The hell Fire Club, the real one with with whatever 699 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.679 Ben Franklin was a part of and they met in 700 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.960 caves and did these rituals and stuff. Ben Franklin was 701 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.880 credited with bending electricity and he's real creepy weird guy 702 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.159 and stuff and the weird electricity connection with the episode 703 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.000 with the with the phenomena they capital p phenomena. But 704 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:44.400 I was just gonna mention that, Yeah, like the show, 705 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.079 I used the show metaphor where he's talking via the 706 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:47.840 Christmas lights. 707 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.079 And in season three or four, season. 708 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.239 Four, the the the Middle Kids, the teenage kids are 709 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.920 talking to the younger kids using the using the light right, 710 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.239 all these light right and stuff, and it crisis just 711 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.079 the thing that connects other than the actual literal gates. 712 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.440 Then that connects the other side, the upside down with 713 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.119 the real world is whatever this electricity link is. And 714 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.440 I think that can take us into the AI again. 715 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:13.280 And it's that. 716 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.199 So the Cathuler, the force or whatever it's called, this 717 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.920 kepal f force is or the phenomena is using AI 718 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.159 because electricity and technology is the link is a link 719 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.639 between wherever it is and where we are right now. 720 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.519 This is a big discussion in technology in general too, 721 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.000 right because artificial intelligence requires just a language model requires 722 00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:40.400 so much energy that the whole argument over green movements 723 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.000 and green energy deals and all of that have gotten 724 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.800 to be rediscussed and rethought for people that back those arguments. 725 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.159 Because you want AI and you want this new technology, 726 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.159 it's going to require an incredible amount an incomprehensible amount 727 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.800 of energy. 728 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:57.679 It's it's weird to. 729 00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.880 Think, which isn't that? Isn't that what they always argue 730 00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:02.119 in physics steric like if you want to open a gate, 731 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.800 you want to open a portal, You're going to need 732 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.000 an immense amount of energy. And now that's what we're 733 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.960 talking about. We need so much energy to power this AI. 734 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.599 We need energy build the gates. 735 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:17.480 Yes, yes, yes, we're taking these like these powerful power 736 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.159 particles and smash them speeds. You can't even repreait around 737 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.880 and stuff

until we do something that we don't even 738 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.000 know really what what you're trying to do, and these 739 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.960 vague concepts, but it seems like to me, I look 740 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.679 at the kind of the Rube Goldberg machine that is humanity, 741 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.039 and kind of if we are given these different ideas 742 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.719 from a higher power, from the gods, or from beyond 743 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.840 the veil, or from from the spirit world or whatever, 744 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.719 and in order to get us to do something, if 745 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.880 we're dealing with something that's outside of time and doesn't 746 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.760 see reality in the linear mode, that it's doing these 747 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.719 things on purpose. So we get to a specific point, 748 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.599 and it's if it's like the amount of energy and 749 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.719 power required to birth this thing into reality. 750 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.800 It couldn't do it if Google didn't exist. It couldn't 751 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.599 do it if they weren't the infrastructure that exists right now, 752 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.840 if they weren't these unbelievably wealthy tech companies that haven't exists. 753 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.239 Power and wealth hasn't exist ever in humanity before that 754 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.039 it needs these crazy giant midwives in order to birth 755 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.559 this ancient old one back into reality through the form 756 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:17.360 of AI stuff. 757 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.119 And then we might find we might get to a 758 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.559 point where we were finding that we don't even have 759 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.599 enough power to do it, that we need to actually 760 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.480 use this untapped resource that is the human body in 761 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:26.559 order to like power this thing. 762 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:27.840 And then we get right into the matrix and. 763 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.119 Stuff that it's literally going to be feeding on our 764 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.280 electricity in order to be burst into well. 765 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.519 It already in a lot of ways, it feeds on 766 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.199 our energy, It feeds on our information already, so attention, 767 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.440 our attention, and that's the next logical step is that 768 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.679 it will literally feed on the body, which I mean, 769 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.360 I guess in some ways it already does, where there 770 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.840 are people that are integrating themselves and machines into one, 771 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.880 the wearables that have turned into implantables, and what comes 772 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.199 from that. But I wanted to go back to what 773 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.239 you said about season four of Stranger Things, because that's 774 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.480 where the story about the as well the VECNA story begins. 775 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.679 The five Star General and the idea of using these 776 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.480 kids to open the gates. And I'm sure that there 777 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.239 are there's a handful of people who probably recognize what 778 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.480 that is because they refer in the show to black 779 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.320 magic and dark magic a lot. But that idea of 780 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:24.519 opening four different gates, four different directions, and the four elements, 781 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.360 that comes directly from Jack Parsons Aleister Crowley, but they 782 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.119 get that from John Dee and Edward Kelly and Anochian magic. 783 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.320 They're called the four Watchtowers in a cult lore. I 784 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.239 thought maybe you could speak on that for a second. 785 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.840 Oh well, I mean you may be more better verse 786 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.480 to talk about the specific favic watchtower idea. 787 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.000 I'm not. I don't know that as well. 788 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.920 But just I mentioned on the show before, but I've 789 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.400 talked about the Titans trying to get back into reality 790 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.320 as the elite. Whoever these vecnas are in real life, 791 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.559 whoever the powers that be are that are getting these 792 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.480 messages from beyond the veil and connecting them out to 793 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.960 these rituals and these The super Bowl could be one 794 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.400 of these things, or a terrorist attack at a weird 795 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.199 specific location, these different things to kind of shatter the 796 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.559 grid a little bit, to kind of shake shake the 797 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.400 box that we're in, the realm that we're in until 798 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.440 it collapses, quote unquote the pillars of reality, and synchronistically 799 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.800 actually heard that for the first time from Tracy Twyman 800 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:23.920 back in the day, and then that kind of set 801 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.320 me on my whole Titans, Titans rabbit hole and stuff. 802 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.679 But well, I thought of that, I thought of that 803 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.679 Tracy Twineman thing and you because that's what the fifth 804 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.679 season's all about. The last few episodes are about, quite 805 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.920 literally the pillars of reality, the gate closing in this 806 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.719 other world

descending and overcoming our world, which is also 807 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.199 the same exact theme in the TV show Fringe, where 808 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.760 there's two worlds colliding and there's gate. There's gates in 809 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.679 that too. There's gates and portals they open up to 810 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.880 go to the other side a. 811 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.599 Lot of times, like over rivers and overrunning water, which 812 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.559 was another like a kind of a right, I'm known 813 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.880 for calling in for these river portal ideas, and that 814 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.800 kind of ties into uh two, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 815 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.280 But season two of Stranger Things with these things don't wanna, 816 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:12.639 don't go move over running water and the vines kind 817 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:17.119 of avoid this running water, which is another paranormally trophy stuff. 818 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.960 Except in season four there there is the water gate 819 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:21.360 as dust the water right. 820 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's literally what yeah, I'm using 821 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.519 water gates another, are they listening to us talk about 822 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.280 this type of stuff because that's these portals being in 823 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.639 water specifically, Uh, something that I'm known for. 824 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.440 Calling in but uh, it's that the pillars thing. It's 825 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.239 touched on in Welcome to Derry Too, which which mentioned 826 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.320 on the show the other day, but it was happening currently. 827 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.800 It wouldn't exist as a show if Stranger Things didn't 828 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.559 get so popular, So it's kind of using the Stranger 829 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.480 Things vibe again with these kids on a on a 830 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.880 horror sci fi adventure. But then obviously Stranger Things itself 831 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.840 is completely based on on Stephen King's it, so it's 832 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.400 a weird, kind of weird kind of time. 833 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.119 Loop full circle thing like with that. 834 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:06.960 Well, it is also the name of isn't that the 835 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.000 name of the dark entity and the wrinkle in Time, 836 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.039 which is referenced all throughout Stranger Things season four and. 837 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.679 Five exactly exactly. It's a camas. 838 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.880 I watched at least the first half of the twenty 839 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.000 eighteen Rinkling Time movie that came out with with Oprah 840 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.760 Andspispoon the other day just to get familiar. But uh 841 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.760 camas as they call it, and we'll holy calls them 842 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.880 in the show. And it is this, This is spreading darkness. 843 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.679 It's it's uh, it's less like from on the other side. 844 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.400 It's more it's like like way way way out cross 845 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.760 time and space. And it's using quantum. It's using love, 846 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.599 and it's using the people people's mind as a as 847 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.639 a quantum technology in order to link far far spaces 848 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.000 like instantaneously. Like love is quantum in this in this reality, 849 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.480 in that NetWorld. But it's a it's a spreading darkness 850 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.400 that's goal is to just spread, spread, spread, spread, like 851 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.119 a fungus like fungal growth, which is similar to how 852 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.480 how the Upside Down is at least in the early seasons, 853 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.039 like in the that's kind of the dust and the 854 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.199 molds spores kind of through the ear. 855 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.360 But it's just kind of just the vines. 856 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.440 Spreading out, the tension spreading, its crusing very It's very 857 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:17.440 similar to alien especially Alien Prometheus right and alien covenants 858 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:21.440 as well. This this it's a it's a biological technological 859 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.440 substance that the the engineers create, right, this black goose substance. 860 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.920 Oh yeah, and it just consumes everything on the planet 861 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.400 when it gets out, it devours everything. 862 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.719 It's it's just it's it's this mindless it's this mindless 863 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:39.079 force that specifically needs humanity in order to spread, which 864 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.119 is similar to this, but it's it's almost like the 865 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.880 last of us fungus zombies kind of spreading controllably or 866 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.400 World war see how the kind of zombie force is 867 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.440 like a mind of its own and it's it's like, 868 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.880 it's just I visualize it like how we use a 869 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.559 cursor on a computer to kind of access the digital 870 00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:00.519 realm and stuff. That there's something just invisible force outside 871 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.800 of reality that uses organic life in order to enact 872 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:06.400 this will on the planet. It's kind of how how 873 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.480 the World Wars the zombies are depicted when they're kind 874 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.039 of all charging on that wall and just using each 875 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.599

other like ants will, We'll use each other to to 876 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:15.840 kind of climb. 877 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.800 Fast assess it like a hive mind, the high mind. 878 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.480 Yeah, and literally it's just a spreading, corruptible darkness. And 879 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.960 that's what chemists it is, and that's what uh, that's 880 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.800 what kind of the mind flaw is. And that's what 881 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.400 penny Wise is in the Welcome to Dairy show, which 882 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.840 again is happening that's the same exact time, and it 883 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:37.679 uses this uh Tartarius concept like they they I guess 884 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.639 in the eighties and seventies and eighties Stephen King stuff. 885 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:41.920 He usually he. 886 00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.519 Used a lot of ancient Native American burial ground and 887 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.880 uses kind of Indians Native Americans as a as a trope. 888 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.360 So the way they're. 889 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.360 Kind of trying to like kind of get one back 890 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:55.960 for the Native Americans, I guess they may have kind 891 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.239 of made more of a main character in the show. 892 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.760 And they trap Anny Wise like five hundred years ago 893 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.920 or whatever in these with these thirteen pillars that they use, 894 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.800 and then they bring in the government, and the government 895 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.199 is aware of this, and there's a cycle where penny 896 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.679 Wise comes back every twenty six, twenty seven years something 897 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.280 like that and has to like kill x amount of 898 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:19.960 people before and then like hibernates again. 899 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.559 But it's uh, it's stuck in Dairy. 900 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.239 It's stuck in this one region because of this Tartari's 901 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.719 trap that is put in and the government wants to 902 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.239 gain control of it. So it's going after these pillars 903 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.599 and trying to remove these pillars, which is basically letting 904 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.280 Saturn out of Tartarer's thinking that they can put us 905 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.599 some kind of shackle on on some kind of view. 906 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.119 If you explain this. You explain this on Ground Zero 907 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.400 when I had you on, and it reminded me of 908 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.000 Season five where back it needs four kids to open 909 00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:52.000 the gates, but he needs twelve kids to complete his work. 910 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.559 Twelve kids, twelve pillars. It's close to tell Titans planning 911 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.519 twelve titans too. 912 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.559 Yeah, and it's absolutely good. 913 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.119 And of course we did not mention this on the 914 00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.360 other show, but I wish we would have the Scooby 915 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:10.960 do connection and season season four, episode six, the watergate 916 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:18.360 episode is literally directly taken from Scooby Doo. There's an 917 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.320 episode of Scooby Doo where the whole gang goes out 918 00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:23.920 on a boat and I think the portal's even red 919 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:28.239 and they're on a lake and they go under it's 920 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.960 I think it's uh, Fred goes in first, and then 921 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:34.320 Daphney goes in, and Scooby and Veal and they go 922 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.000 through the gate. And that's weird for two reasons. Number one, 923 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.000 the girl who plays Robin, one of my favorite characters. 924 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:47.079 The actress. She wants to do a Scooby do kind 925 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.800 of Stranger Things spin off because all the characters they 926 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.360 do kind of have a Scooby Doo gang feel to them, 927 00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.320 don't they. I thought it would be great. I thought 928 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.400 that would be fun, but this year very fun. Yeah. 929 00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.920 I don't know how that would work out, but I 930 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.519 think that there was some consideration for something like that 931 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.719 I was reading. But anyway, they So that's one thing. 932 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.400 The second thing is that kind of plays into the 933 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.199 idea that maybe the Duffer brothers did use chat bots 934 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.840 or AI because it's I mean, they didn't say that 935 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.159 they were inspired by Scooby Doo. And this has been 936 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.960 pointed out for years that season four came out years 937 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.760 ago and there's no confirmation, so it kind of maybe 938 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.199 it feels a little bit to me like that maybe 939 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.159 the AI pulled that from the Internet. It's something that's 940 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.960 already been done. 941 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.599 Yeah. 942 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.440 I like to give them the benefit of the doubt, 943 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.760 and maybe they're just really tapping into this huge monoculture 944 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.639 show and the mus has just given them a bunch 945 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.679 of these nuggets that sure, sure they've given other people 946 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.840 throughout the days. But yeah, I mean like sometimes you 947 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.280

just got to be the like maybe they got that specifically, 948 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:50.719 maybe they it's less of. 949 00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.199 An homage and more than they're just kind of stealing 950 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:52.719 it and stuff. 951 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.480 But what about Yeah, I think it's more of an 952 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.079 homage too. But what what about Scooby Doo. I didn't 953 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.840 know this. You told or maybe you told me before 954 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.719 I forgot about it, But Scoob we do. There's like 955 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.800 a fan theory about him that also connects to the 956 00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:04.599 other side. 957 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.320 Yeah, a couple of years ago, I was going to 958 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.079 be a guest on a friend, Michael Stringer's show in 959 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:10.599 Trouble Minds. 960 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:11.719 We were going to do a stupid Doo show. 961 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.320 But then I don't know, I like the pandemic happened 962 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:16.960 or something like that. I got busy for some reason. 963 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:18.880 We never did it. But I was binging just a 964 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.760 ton of Scooby Doo during one October and I was like, 965 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.480 this was some weird stuff going on here. So I 966 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.679 did some like certain see what fans are thinking about, 967 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.800 and I should have looked it up to press my 968 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.920 mind on it. But there's a couple of theories where well, 969 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.239 first like just to connected to the Lovecraft and the 970 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.480 most like one of the most recent Scooby Doo sees 971 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.039 is not the not the Velma one where it's where 972 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.079 it's like the one on HBO did a couple of 973 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:44.920 years ago where Minnie Kalin did the kind of the 974 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.280 woke Velma show or whatever. It's not that one, but 975 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.119 kind of the one from like twenty fifteen range especially 976 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.000 pretty funny. It's a little a little bit more adult 977 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.719 or look subversive, and they bring in Lovecraft specifically in 978 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.599 this show, like Lovecraft's a character that they talked to 979 00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.239 a couple of times, and and kaZulu was in the show. 980 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.280 And I don't think they pull a mask Offcathula or 981 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.800 think he just exists in the Scooby Doo universe. 982 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.599 But then there's a. 983 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.679 Theory that he's a member of the Eneid, which is 984 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.000 the Council of Nine, and that the same way

like 985 00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.039 Anubis or these kind of Egyptian gods are part animal 986 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.199 then depicted up animal heads. They're really depicting a Scooby 987 00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.920 Doo type scenario where Scooby Doo is just a vessel 988 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.760 for one of the nine gods of these ancient the 989 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.800 ancient India, the ancient Castle of Nine Pantheon, incarnating in 990 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.280 the Scooby Doo and then influencing these kids on these 991 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.119 adventures and stuff. 992 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.119 I just think that ties into a lot of what 993 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:33.679 we talk about. 994 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:36.440 That's a that's a wild theory. 995 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.639 Yeah, I wish I had more. There's more evidence to it. 996 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.079 I wish I wish I thought to look at it 997 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:42.519 before this. 998 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.079 But I looked up a Hollywood Reporter story from twenty sixteen. 999 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.239 So this goes back to the beginning of Stranger Things, 1000 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.719 and one of the Duffer brothers, Ross Stuffer, didn't say 1001 00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.679 anything about Scooby Doo or any of these other things 1002 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.559 that we're talking about, except that it specifically it from 1003 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.719 Stephen King was their biggest inspiration for the whole show. Yeah, yeah, so, 1004 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:09.119 which is very obvious and clear, but still just confirming that. 1005 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.760 I've never I've never read it. 1006 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.199 I never watched the nineties it, uh, which was like 1007 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.440 the Tim Curry it, and then I never watched the 1008 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.440 ones with the meet with Mike from from from Straining Things. 1009 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.199 It's like, it's like one of the main characters of 1010 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.599 the of the twenty seventeen IT remake, which is directed 1011 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.920 synchronistically in this and Welcome to Derry Show a show 1012 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.960 run directed by Andy Mushieti, who uh directed the flash 1013 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.480 movie that that we talked about years ago at this point, 1014 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:41.960 so a little electricity to lyric current Medusa connection with 1015 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:43.719 with all the DC stuff we talked about before. 1016 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.960 The same guy some more stranger sinks to the Freddy 1017 00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:52.719 Krueger synchronicity if you will, with the actor that you told. 1018 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.239 Me Robert England, the guy who played Freddy Krueger plays 1019 00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:02.280 Victor Kreile plays Henry Creole,

effecting his dad so when 1020 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.880 they moved to Hawkins for whatever his job is, they 1021 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:10.360 might disclose in the first shadow play, Uh, that's when 1022 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.719 kind of Henry uh develops his his fascination with with 1023 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.079 with spiders and kind of goes gets deeper into the 1024 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.920 shadow and stuff, and then he has his first kind 1025 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.599 of effectum moment where he he he kills his mom 1026 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.559 and he kills his sister and stuff, and then his 1027 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.599 father thinks that he's his family is cursed that he 1028 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.880 thinks he curses family by moving to Hawkins, so he goes, 1029 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.760 he gets really guilty and cuts his eyes out, which 1030 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:34.840 you mentioned on the show about all the eye stuff. 1031 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:36.480 And that's when. 1032 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.239 Nancy and and uh and uh, I was like, Robin, 1033 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.920 go and meet him at that satan asylum that is 1034 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.639 that's Freddy Krueger Asrupt England. And it's using the same 1035 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.280 archetype of this uh, this force that whispers to people 1036 00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.920 in their dreams and goes after your specifically your bad 1037 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.920 traumatic memories and uses that as a way to to 1038 00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:56.719 get your get the worst out of you. And I 1039 00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.480 don't know, just so, the penny penny Wise is exactly 1040 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.440 what we're talking about here. It's a shape shifting entity 1041 00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:09.000 that uses your fear and your trauma to it wants 1042 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.840 it as food like it Pennywise wants it because it's 1043 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.800 like the whole solution kind of adrenochrome idea where it 1044 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.639 just tastes sweeter that it doesn't. It'll kill you regardless, 1045 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.159 but it likes to kind of tease its food a 1046 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.920 little bit because it's it's a sweeter meat that way, 1047 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.679 I guess, which is very uh, it's very spider like 1048 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.719 the idea that why don't spiders just kill you instead 1049 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:28.880 they webb you up? 1050 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:33.760 And because yeah, no, no, no, you're not rambling at all. 1051 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.199 There's so many things that you're saying that I could 1052 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.960 pull out and we could do individual shows on songs exactly. 1053 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.800 I'm making ill Yeah, I'm making little notes of what 1054 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.280 you're saying, trying to keep things in order here because 1055 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.880 I want to go back to certain things in more detail. 1056 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.199 But I was looking up the name Henry, like what 1057 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.679 the name Henry means? You know, mister, what's it Henry? 1058 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.360 Will and uh. I thought that this was interesting as 1059 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.760 a synchronicity. I think you'll appreciate this. The name Henry, 1060 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.760 it's a Frankish name. It's also I think it's Frankish, 1061 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:09.079 English and French. There's different versions High German Heinrich is 1062 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.679 it's related to Heinrich. But anyway, Henry, the literal meaning 1063 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.719 of the word Henry or the name Henry is ruler 1064 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.599 of the house or ruler of the home. And the 1065 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.400 synchronicity here that I think is interesting is because you 1066 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.840 were talking about the Stephen King show and the release 1067 00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.400 of Stranger Things five and that these come out around 1068 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.519 the same time, right, yeah, exactly, Okay, and around the 1069 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.239 same time two other things also came out in the 1070 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.639 Fall and Winter number one, you had Alison Borderlands and 1071 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.880 there's a lot of Alice in Wonderlands references and stranger things. 1072 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.719 Alison Borderlands is a Japanese show. It's actually was the 1073 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.760 top number one Netflix show on Japanese Netflix, which I have, 1074 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.199 so I know that, and it is about It has 1075 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.519 Alison Wonderland references, of course, but it's about the underworld, 1076 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.760 the other side, the upside down reality in that world 1077 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.239 changes and shifts very much like VECNA can change reality too, 1078 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.400 and that you have to play games in the underworld 1079 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:11.519 to survive, and a lot of it has to do 1080 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.719 with near death experiences. It's really interesting, but that comes 1081 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.159 out at the same time. But another TV show right now, 1082 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.039 one of my favorites is the TV show Fallout. And 1083 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.000 I don't know if you ever played those games, Derek, 1084 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:27.199 but Fallout, the Fallout games and the whole lore around Fallout. 1085 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.039 Before this big war breaks out between the US and 1086 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.639 Russia and there's a nuclear holocaust and the whole world's 1087 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:40.760 basically

destroyed. There's a handful of powerful companies like, for example, 1088 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.719 Vault Tech, which builds the vaults to survive the end 1089 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.440 of the world, rob Co, which is the big robotics company. 1090 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.840 There's a guy that runs and controls most of this. 1091 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.760 His name is mister House, and he's the guy that ultimately, 1092 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.039 when the countries decide that they're going to have peace 1093 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.639 and not war, he decides to with his connections just 1094 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.960 drop the bombs himself. And so mister House destroys the 1095 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.079 world so that a bunch of managers who are just 1096 00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.639 basically drones, and then they actually quite literally have these 1097 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.159 little microchips they put into people to turn them into 1098 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.880 drones that they'll do whatever they want them to do. 1099 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:25.519 Termaan of vessels so that these managers can recreate the 1100 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.559 world in their image. So a guy that basically is 1101 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.760 at the top of all of this made very famous, 1102 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.840 especially by the by the Fallout New Vegas game. One 1103 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:39.039 of my favorite Fallout games is mister House and Henry 1104 00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.239 who's trying to facilitate the work of this other dimensional, 1105 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.880 otherworldly thing collapse the pillars of reality using vessels to 1106 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.719 do it. His name translates to Ruler of the House, 1107 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.199 and one of the lines in Fallout is the House 1108 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.320 always wins. That's a really weird synchronicity. 1109 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.360 Is that that is really weird is that a played 1110 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.440 by Walton Goggins, is that the guy with the with 1111 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:02.960 no nose. 1112 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.440 Now he plays the ghoul. I don't know who plays, Okay, 1113 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.360 I was gonna say, I thought the no nose kind 1114 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.719 of it's a very vecna like, very well, it is 1115 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:13.639 actually the you're right. I didn't think of that till 1116 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:14.960 just right now. As soon as you said it, I thought, 1117 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.480 oh my god, you're right. The Ghuls are very vecna like. 1118 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.719 This is a sidebar. But we're the same age. So 1119 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.559 do you remember Are You Afraid of the Dark on 1120 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:24.760 Nickelodeon back in the day. 1121 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.320 I was afraid of the Dark, so I didn't I 1122 00:57:26.320

--> 00:57:27.280 didn't watch a lot of it. 1123 00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:30.679 It was it was the two big ones from when 1124 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.519 we were kids, Goosebumps and Are You're Afraid of the Dark. 1125 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.320 And I feel like Goosebumps has the companion books and stuff. 1126 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.239 That's kind of the ra al Stein's kind of the 1127 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.679 Stephen King for for nineties kids and stuff. But that 1128 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.800 was more of a palatable show. You can kind of 1129 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.920 you can watch that. It's it's scary when you're three 1130 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:47.880 or four, but it's not that scary. But You Afraid 1131 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:49.880 of the Dark was terrifying to me, and a lot 1132 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:55.559 of my most visperable childhood, like scary Sunday scary moments 1133 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.000 is kind of being I remember myself kind of hiding 1134 00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.800 behind the couch watching You're Afraid of the Dark. And 1135 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.760 this one of the scariest moments of my childhood is 1136 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.679 this episode where there's this invisible force that was like 1137 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.760 kind of snatching like in a in a high school 1138 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.239 pool that was drowning kids. People don't know what was 1139 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.159 going on, so they. 1140 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:13.800 These two kids. 1141 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.840 After hours, you put these chemicals into a pool to 1142 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:21.239 try to make this invisible creature visible, and it comes 1143 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.719 like this is burnt into my brain. I was probably 1144 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.360 three when it came out, and they showed this like 1145 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.760 tripping red kind of skeleton thing emerged from a pool 1146 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.239 and it looks oh, I remember that exactly. It couldn't 1147 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.199 look any more like back then if they tried exactly 1148 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.880 like Becta. So it's like, it's just I don't know. 1149 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.719 Sometimes it seems like this show just pulled out, pulled 1150 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.559 out these core these core horrors just from the deep 1151 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.119 recesses of everyone's brains, and just created this amalgamation of 1152 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:49.480 a show. 1153 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.119 Funny Funny, you said that because the the article about 1154 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.079 Scooby Doo that I was reading. By the way, the 1155 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:56.840 name of that episode is Through the Curtain, So Through 1156 00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:58.559 the Veil that's the Scooby Doo episode. 1157 00:58:58.599 --> 00:58:58.960 But in that. 1158 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.079 Article, yeah, in that article and the Hollywood article I 1159 00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.480 referenced with the Duffer brothers, it said something to the 1160 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.760 effect of they weren't necessarily sure what the inspiration was 1161 00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.280 for the Watergate or for for some of the show, 1162 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.800 but they thought, man, maybe maybe a lot of it 1163 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:19.400 was just subconscious stuff from childhood. So that just what 1164 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.880 you said reminded me of that statement in the article, 1165 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.159 So maybe they are. I mean, if you wrote a show, Derek, 1166 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:27.760 I mean, it's not that you're inspired by AI or 1167 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.039 something like this. You would just pull from all the 1168 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.079 things you know and put it into a show exactly 1169 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:34.400 which we. 1170 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:35.159 Should think about doing. 1171 00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.239 You know, Like I don't have any Hollywood connections, but 1172 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.800 I feel like me and you put our brains together, 1173 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.880 we can come up with something. 1174 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.880 Pretty We could have written stranger things, for sure. 1175 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:44.320 For sure, we could. 1176 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.960 I'm interested to see what they come up with next, 1177 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:48.920 Like we'll find out on the. 1178 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:53.039 Next there's two there's two spin offs. Actually they've got planned. 1179 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.920 There's a so they've got so they've got to spin off. 1180 00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:58.800 I can actually pull up the name. I think they 1181 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:00.960 have one of them. Maybe name already. Let me pull 1182 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.719 up the article I had. There's a conformity gait article 1183 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.920 and it says let me scroll down to the bottom 1184 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.440 here by the way, since oh, go ahead, go ahead. 1185 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:13.119 Yeah, I know. 1186 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.039 They tease that the it's going to exist at least 1187 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:17.239 one of the at least one of tho spinoffs. It's 1188 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.079 going to exist in the universe, but have none of 1189 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:20.880 the same characters, and it's not going to mention the 1190 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.440 upside down at all, but it'll just be I think 1191 01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.679 probably the thing that connects will be the military, whatever 1192 01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.239 the military working in Dimension X or whatever will probably 1193 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.000 be doing, and it'll only take place in the nineties 1194 01:00:31.079 -->

01:00:31.760 rather than the eighties. 1195 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:32.679 I would have mentioned it. 1196 01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:38.280 So this says this particular article says that there's well 1197 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.280 I thought that this was the article anyway, I remember 1198 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.559 what I read it. I'll have to paraphrase it from memory. 1199 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.719 So there's going to be one main series that's going 1200 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.599 to be a spinoff, and it's going to go into 1201 01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:50.679 the details. This is what sounds pretty interesting to me. 1202 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.360 They're going to go into the details about what that 1203 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.679 thing was in the briefcase? Like, what is this exotic matter? 1204 01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.199 Yeah? Please I want the head? 1205 01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.960 Yeah yeah, what is the background on that? They also 1206 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.079 have an animated series for this year this year. 1207 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.239 Yeah, Tales eighty five or whatever it is. Yeah. 1208 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.840 Yes, that takes place in between season two and three 1209 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.239 when all the kids, like when all the kids all exist, 1210 01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:18.000 Like like how season season three when Eleven and Max 1211 01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.960 become friends and run around them all and stuff and 1212 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.119 they have all their kind of a summer adventures and 1213 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.119 stuff that they kind of the show begins with. I 1214 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.679 think the that a show is going to basically just 1215 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.159 what what do they do before we met them that summer? 1216 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:33.239 Basically there is a there's another spin off. Okay, so 1217 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.079 here it is. They said that the other spin off. 1218 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.440 They're not sure exactly the name or the details, but 1219 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.840 they're working on two. One is what's in the briefcase. 1220 01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.159 One is something else. So there's going to I mean, 1221 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.360 obviously you'd have to make a spin off. You can't 1222 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.159 let that ip set there and not profit from it. 1223 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.360 They're going to make multiple sp They're probably going to 1224 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.880 overdo it to the point where I won't want to 1225 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.159 ever watch anything related to it again. Uh, there's there's 1226 01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:59.039 a whole bunch of things that you had mentioned earlier. 1227 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.320 That's that's usually a TV shows going after seven eight 1228 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.559 Ze's pros. It's a big Star Wars problem. Yeah, So 1229 01:02:06.320

--> 01:02:09.719 let's go back to Alice. I mentioned Alice in Borderlands Fallout. 1230 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.039 Let's go back to Alice for a moment, and specifically 1231 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:19.079 the character Holly. And you see when she's in Vecna's 1232 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.639 mind and she's in this room in the house and 1233 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:26.639 there's the Alice in Wonderland poster and she's wearing you 1234 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.880 Beat Me Too it on the Ground Zero show, she's 1235 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.920 wearing the Alice in Wonderland dress. But that dress. This 1236 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.559 was something I picked up kind of just by mistake 1237 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.639 when I was writing my Occult Arcana book. I was 1238 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.840 writing about fairy tales, and I had never noticed this 1239 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.280 until I was putting a presentation together and I was 1240 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.119 and I referenced, I was pulling stuff out of my 1241 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.960 Occult Arcana book and I put all these pictures of 1242 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.639 princesses from Disney stories together. And I'm sure I'm not 1243 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:56.880 the only person I ever realized this, but I realized I. 1244 01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.320 Never heard this until you mentioned it on the show. 1245 01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.960 This isn't to me. 1246 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.880 Yeah, they're all where caring blue and white dresses, and 1247 01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.679 I had never realized that before. So if you look, 1248 01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.039 if you were to go and snow White might kind 1249 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.920 of be an exception because she's got more yellow. But 1250 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.159 if you look these characters up, you'll find that they've 1251 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.199 all got blue. And so if you look at the 1252 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.599 Alice in Wonderland dress, it is very similar, if not 1253 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.559 almost identical, to all these characters. You've got Bell, You've 1254 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.719 got of course, Alice, You've got Dorothy, you got a 1255 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.559 little bit of snow White, you got Cinderella, you got Jasmine, 1256 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.039 Dorothy too, and Dorothy is of course. I think they 1257 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:38.400 might reference Dorothy in Stranger Things at least once or 1258 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:42.079 twice reference, you know, because of the rainbow and the 1259 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.159 Rainbow room. The Rainbow ship is of course the Philadelphia experiment, 1260 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.599 which is reference when those guys are melting into the 1261 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.920 walls underneath of the exotic matter in season five. But 1262 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.360 the other the blue dress and the blue but I 1263 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:58.960 think that people that are that are Christian would appreciate this. 1264 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.920 The blue dress or the blue and white dress is 1265 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.960 typically how the Virgin Mary is depicted and so this 1266 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:12.079 is theological, it's fairy tale, which those kinds of things 1267 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.360 kind of go together. And it's also in the pop 1268 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.360 culture to the point where you see something like that 1269 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.159 in a TV show and I don't, And I wonder 1270 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.920 if you know those kinds of images, you know, even 1271 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.320 with with Eleven in the first season, when you know, 1272 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.400 she wants to look like a girl and she's discovering 1273 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.280 what it what it means to just be a kid, 1274 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.760 and they throw the blonde wig on her and it's 1275 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:36.760 a very similar Marilyn Monroe sex kit in mind Control, 1276 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:38.599 and then they put her in front of the mirror, 1277 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.519 you know, the inverse, And that's imagery that you see 1278 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.840 just obsessively in the music industry, split personalities, et cetera. 1279 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.800 When you were describing the blue and white on Ground 1280 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.039 Zero the other day, I was a think the first 1281 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.960 thing I'm pupped in my mind was isn't isn't Epstein's 1282 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.960 temple blue and white white. It's very reminiscent of the 1283 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.280 Disney Castle. And there's all those kind of memes where 1284 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:03.800 it's kind of. 1285 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.960 And Ellen doing stuff, Ellen degenerate, degenerous stage. 1286 01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.440 Background stuff, and what were they doing at Epstein's like 1287 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.679 they're doing the the sex crowns and all that kind 1288 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.360 of stuff, but there was this this m Kalta element 1289 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.840 where they're traumatizing these people to probably communicate with and 1290 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:22.920 it's just it's the modern day. If anyone is seeing 1291 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.360 three hundred in the Oracle of Delphi, when when Leonidas 1292 01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.559 climbs up the top of the mountain dealing with those 1293 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.920 creepy deformed priest classes that in order to go to war, 1294 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.519 and they start licking the face of that young oracle 1295 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.400 and she's on top of the events and breathing in 1296 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.440 all the steam and the smoke until she gets in 1297 01:05:38.480 -->

01:05:41.880 a houcinogenic state and starts whispering the words of the gods, 1298 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.639 and then the priest class uses those words to lead 1299 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.920 the kingdom and stuff. That's that just happened, that just 1300 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.159 went underground. That's became Kalachar, that became all these that 1301 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.239 became the the mind control Disney kids that we always 1302 01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.400 talk about that go to freak out later on and stuff. 1303 01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.559 This is it just it's a more scientific, is more 1304 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.719 modern now, but it's the same thing. The Hollywood elite, 1305 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.000 the governmentally using kids as gates, the Gate Program, all 1306 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.039 those kinds of things in order to make contact with 1307 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:10.679 the other side. 1308 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:11.760 Well, then you have Bill Gates. 1309 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.400 Yeah, Bill Gates exactly, exactly. 1310 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.199 Yeah, let me let me pause for just one second. 1311 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:19.800 I want to let listeners know you're listening to the 1312 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.800 Secret Teachings. I'm Ryan Gable. You've got another forty five 1313 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.199 to fifty minutes of show left. We've got Derek Murphy 1314 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.039 with us tonight. There's a whole Derek Murphy montage of 1315 01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.880 shows that are put together into one episode in the archive. 1316 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:34.840 I'm gonna have to go back and find all the 1317 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.199 ones before those, because there's I think we did three 1318 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.719 or four other shows before that free to listen to. 1319 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:41.360 There are ads. If you want to get rid of 1320 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.079 the ads, please subscribe tst Radio dot Info. It's fifty 1321 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:46.679 dollars for the whole year. That means you get the 1322 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:48.840 back catalog of all the shows. I think it comes 1323 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.559 out to be it's pennies per episode, and that would 1324 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.239 keep us on air and support us and allow us 1325 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.760 to remain independent. Thank you so much. If you've already 1326 01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.440 done that, or if you listen for free, or if 1327 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:01.079 you've bought a book book. My new book, by the Way, 1328 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:05.079 is going to be available hopefully within the next few 1329 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.920 weeks tst Radio dot Info already gable at Yahoo dot com. 1330 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.119 I want to go back to you, Derek with the 1331 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.400 Epstein observation, because although some of the people involved in 1332 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.480 this were talking like young teenagers, there is a, you know, 1333 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.840 the pedophilic argument and the pedophilic vibes. I got that 1334 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.360 from Henry quite a bit, especially in his dream state. 1335 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.840 You know, in his mind, the house is set up 1336 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.039 right across the street from this playground, and they're drawing 1337 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.239 all these kids into the house and basically kidnapping little kids. 1338 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:41.800 So there's like a pedophilic kind of a vibe to 1339 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.360 it as well. 1340 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.639 I don't even I. 1341 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.000 Don't necessarily want to get goot On to fight down 1342 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:47.559 this road, but when I was watching the show, I 1343 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.079 kind of got the vibe just of the of the 1344 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.199 season five of the show, like the whole Holly character 1345 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.400 and the recasting Holly and the way they depicted her 1346 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.840 in the show, and some of the shots that they 1347 01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.679 used to show here, and when I was watching them 1348 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.760 behind the documentary, the way the Duffer brothers communicated with 1349 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:07.039 her and looked at her seemed eerie to me, and 1350 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:09.079 I didn't like it, like the way they showed her 1351 01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:12.480 like eating the fruit and like, I don't know, I 1352 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.119 don't know. And then the online really was like she 1353 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.479 had to delete her Twitter her Twitter account because the 1354 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.079 entire the entire internet's creeps all went after her and stuff. 1355 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:25.479 And it's just like there's just this weird, creepy Hollywood 1356 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.159 undercurrent of from all the I mean, that's kind of 1357 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:29.960 all the way, like like I don't for their show 1358 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.479 to exist, they had to shave Millley Bobbie Brown's head 1359 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:35.239 and put her in these weird scenarios in order to 1360 01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:36.239 portray the character. 1361 01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:36.640 Oh yeah. 1362 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.640 They also they also had to bind her breasts because 1363 01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.760 she got very large breasts and then they bound them 1364 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.479 very tightly to make her look like she's not very 1365 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:46.680 developed in the last season. 1366 01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:49.840 So there's a weird element to that with that, which 1367 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.039 which didn't hit me for the

first four seasons, but 1368 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:54.520 this season kind of just like what's going on? 1369 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.000 Why you why are you lingering on Holly Walker walking away? 1370 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.680 Like this is this is a I don't know, it's 1371 01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:02.880 it was. It was creepier than the end the season. 1372 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.199 Well, okay, so there's a couple of things here. One 1373 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:11.199 Holly Wood Holly, Hollywood. Holly is also in mythology. I 1374 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.560 mentioned this on the last show too. Holly is lightning 1375 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.199 resistant in the mythology and is specifically a plant that 1376 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.640 is used to resist darkness and cold. It's one of 1377 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:23.840 those Christmas plants, of course, so it's a it's a 1378 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.640 it's a winter midwinter plant. That's why it can resist evil, 1379 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:31.079 because cold and darkness and whatnot that's evil. But Holly 1380 01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.800 resists lightning and goes back to the Tellert currents, the 1381 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.600 electricity do oe and the red lightning. That is all 1382 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.159 throughout the show and the promos and whatnot. So there's that, 1383 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.279 you know. There's a there's a lot of controversy about 1384 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.479 the about the Will scene where he's I don't likes 1385 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:51.159 right crazy. I thought it was even SNL joked well, 1386 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:53.359 I thought that was I don't really like SNL much, 1387 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:55.760 but I thought that that part was funny. They're like, 1388 01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.119 what what's going on with Will? Why doesn't he have 1389 01:09:58.159 --> 01:09:59.960 a spinoff or something like, because this scene is still 1390 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:00.600 going on. 1391 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:02.560 Exactly. 1392 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.560 But I didn't think that was as bad as people 1393 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.199 made it out to be, And when I watched it, 1394 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:11.079 I thought, Okay, maybe since I like the basis of 1395 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.439 this show, maybe I'm trying to justify it in my head. 1396 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.119 You know why this is this, this focus on the 1397 01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.720 on his sexuality is important because I thought, you know, 1398 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.600 the Robin character, she's one of my favorite characters. I 1399 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:25.199 love her character and her personality. I don't care if 1400 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:27.720 she's gay. It kind of fit the character, and it 1401 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.640 kind of fit the scene. Will's kind of felt kind 1402 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:32.920 of felt a little bit forced, although they did reference 1403 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.279 it throughout the whole series, but even the first the 1404 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.520 first episode, you know, they went on a writer's the 1405 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.880 mother says the Hopper, the police chief, you know, kids 1406 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:44.920 think he's gay, and Hopper says, well, is exactly. 1407 01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.439 But I guess the rainbow ship type stuff, I mean, 1408 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.560 they do those like that always struck me more as 1409 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.600 just he was a weird kid, and kids are kids 1410 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.399 are mean, so they're calling him gay kind. 1411 01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:56.880 Of and a lot of and a lot of parents 1412 01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.760 My mom was always concerned I was gay. A lot 1413 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:01.239 of like that. 1414 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.319 If you're not, if you're not the best at sports, 1415 01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:07.079 then then if you'd rather draw a picture than throw 1416 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:09.640 football in the eighties, your dad's gonna call you gay. 1417 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.520 You're either jelish or gay exactly. 1418 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.880 But I think the Internet this is a problem with 1419 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.960 like them looking at the Internet in order to write 1420 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.840 these shows and stuff, that the Internet wanted him to 1421 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.359 be gay so bad that they just there was really 1422 01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.399 no clues to that as much as of like, I 1423 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:25.840 have no problem with them, they're going to do that, 1424 01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.000 they can do it. But I rewatched the show at 1425 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.600 least ten times. I rewatched it before every new season, 1426 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.399 and then just before you do show like this, like 1427 01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.840 you're watching and stuff, and there's really like not that 1428 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.119 many teases of that until all of a sudden, and 1429 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:40.760 then even when like season four when they talk about 1430 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:42.399 him is his big moment with Mike where he's like 1431 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.479 talking was convincing Mike that eleven eleven needs him, and 1432 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:46.760 he's like, it's. 1433 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.520 Really he's really talking about himself and stuff. 1434 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.600 But just I didn't really see that as much, like, 1435 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:53.399 but then the Internet just wanted it to happen so 1436 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.199 much that they just made it happen if they wrote 1437 01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:56.560 it into the script, and I think it felt a 1438 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.079 little bit forced. But then when they then the

actual 1439 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.880 tentacle though with the and the scene like the series 1440 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.119 or the final season that was like pretty crazy, I can't. 1441 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.399 They're pretty much saying that the trauma, like oh, Fegna 1442 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.439 taking him and doing this to him kind of made 1443 01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.880 him made him gay to a certain extent. Is what 1444 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:15.800 kind of what the shows saying. 1445 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.840 Isn't it like you could interpret it that way? And 1446 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:19.920 that's that's kind of the point I'm getting at, is 1447 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:23.760 that the sexuality aspect of it was maybe more important 1448 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:28.319 and had less to do with LGBTQ and social justice stuff, 1449 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.760 and it had more to do with the underlying storyline 1450 01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.239 because if we're talking about whether it's homosexuality or pederacity 1451 01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.399 or whatever, that factors very strongly into the idea of 1452 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.720 opening gates torturing children. You know that you mentioned Pennywise 1453 01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.920 playing with his food, but the trauma and using the 1454 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.079 trauma to create well mind control slaves essentially or using 1455 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:53.720 it to create vessels, using it to rip open gates. 1456 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:54.399 Uh. 1457 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.760 That's been part of the Project Montalk mythology, right, that 1458 01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:03.239 they tortured and and and they they maybe raped and 1459 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.000 molested children. That that helps, I mean, that's basically what 1460 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.920 the what the Brenner character is doing, not sexually, but 1461 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.279 they're abusing and torturing these kids. And the more you 1462 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:16.359 do that, like with Carrie Stephen King, the more someone 1463 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:20.079 is tortured, the more those their psychic powers explode out 1464 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:21.640 of them, whether they can control them or not. 1465 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.479 Uh, you know, maybe the X Men, that's it. 1466 01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.680 That's the X Men two and the Dark in the 1467 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.800 first season when they're when Will and Dustin are racing 1468 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:32.319 to ride their. 1469 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.319 Bike and I'll bet you an X Men comic you're. 1470 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:39.960 That's the introduction of the Dark Phoenix saga, and that's 1471 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.920 like a cosmic force they call the Phoenix Force. It's 1472 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.399 just like it's depicted as this like big orange fire 1473 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.039 in the space basically comes and possesses Jean Gray. She's 1474 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.640 she has psychic powers, she's a she has like telekinesis 1475 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.800 and it's very very eleven. And then she's possessed by 1476 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.520 the psychic force that makes her the most powerful mutant. 1477 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.439 And it's like one of the most famous X Men 1478 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.600 runs of all the time in the eighties. But then 1479 01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:07.720 they used that to directly the show Buffy did a 1480 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.439 did it with their Dark Willow saga in the early 1481 01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.760 two thousands before the superhero Boom and us Whedon say, 1482 01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:19.000 a former X Men writer, and then they directly did 1483 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:23.079 that the dark Willow, Dark Jean, very dark Phoenix with 1484 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.479 eleven in season two when she's like floating and closing 1485 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.439 the closing that rift with the first time we see 1486 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.079 the giant mind flare kind of behind the orange orange 1487 01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:32.159 veil and she's screaming and. 1488 01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.760 Both like the blood coming down both the nostrils. That's 1489 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:35.840 that's dark Phoenix. 1490 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.399 Oh, there's simply like there's I no, you can finish 1491 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:42.319 your thought because there's some other synchronicities here I just 1492 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:43.319 thought of too, but go ahead. 1493 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.920 No, But that's basically just a traumatized kid the next 1494 01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:50.319 man out of the core text of like trauma brings. 1495 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:50.720 Out your powers. 1496 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.560 So whether it's bullied or the Deadpool movie, he's trapped 1497 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.359 in this like coffin and like kept to the point 1498 01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.680 where he can't catch a he can't catch a full breath. 1499 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.359 He's given physical trauma and his powers manifest and stuff 1500 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:04.319 that X men, it's trauma gives you powers. And then 1501 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.720 if you have this psychic power, if you have the shine, 1502 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:08.720 the Stephen King shine and from the shining and stuff, 1503 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.720 if you're touched the way ancient culture would would say, 1504 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.399 like then the Phoenix force this cosmic force possesses you, 1505 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.720 uses you as a vessel, and they directs that's the 1506 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.359 X men that they're referencing in the comic is and 1507 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.960 then that's that's what they're using, like visually to depict 1508 01:15:26.079 -->

01:15:27.119 Eleven in season two. 1509 01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.199 It's exactly what we're talking about. Vessels. 1510 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:34.520 That's quite literally what Henry or Vecna. But the character Henry, 1511 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:38.319 that's what he tells Eleven repeatedly. He says, remember something 1512 01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:42.119 that makes you sad but also angry. And that's how 1513 01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:44.119 she was able to get her powers back in the 1514 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.640 and I think that was in the what's the fourth season? 1515 01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:48.000 Fourth season? 1516 01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.720 Yes, it's it's it's set and setting. That's that's the shamanism. 1517 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.560 That's the famous like set and setting. 1518 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.800 If it's the same substance you take, it's the same 1519 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:59.720 first few steps to the to the ritual. Whether you're 1520 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.600 in like a real ceremonial setting and you're and you're 1521 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.520 purging yourself and you're doing it the right way to 1522 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:07.640 take a ceremonial trip, versus if you're locked in a 1523 01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.760 basement with your eyelids pride open, watching terrible images by 1524 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.560 the government somewhere, you're gonna be given the same substances, 1525 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.920 you can be given the same fuel, the same entry 1526 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.920 point into the experience, but based on your set and setting, 1527 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:21.600 your experience is colored by that. So you can meet 1528 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.199 you can meet God, you can meet these like benevolent beings. 1529 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.399 If if you're in a curated shamanic setting, but if 1530 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.279 you're in the mk ultra setting, that's when you meet 1531 01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:33.560 dark gods. That's when you're encounter that's when you encounter 1532 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.439 the upside down. That's when you encounter these like So 1533 01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.760 for like if you think, if you Leven can think 1534 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.239 of bad things and she's touched, she touches like more 1535 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:44.119 of this dark power. 1536 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:47.600 We're in the same way. If Will uses the music 1537 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.199 like the clash, will I stay? Will that go now? 1538 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.319 Or if Max uses Kate Bush, these are positive memories 1539 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.239 that she uses to linker to the light, so like 1540 01:16:57.680 --> 01:16:58.680 to change change. 1541 01:16:58.439 --> 01:16:59.039 The set and setting. 1542 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:02.960 If you if you if if your mind state is negative, 1543 01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.600 then you'll be taking down this to the abyss. If 1544 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.920 your mind state is positive, they can even escape the 1545 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:10.520 abyss and be brought to the light. And that's the 1546 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.920 difference between holy experience and an mk ultra my control. 1547 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.840 Well, if you read if you read doctor Strassman's book 1548 01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:19.359 The Spirit Molecule. You ever read that? 1549 01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:21.119 No, No, I'm worry with that. 1550 01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:23.079 But it's a really good book. I think you'd like it. 1551 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.079 It's actually pretty easy to read, and it documents the 1552 01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:28.800 different experiences people had on this, you know, in this 1553 01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:33.319 clinical setting with DMT at different doses and based on 1554 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:39.039 people's perception of the substance and the study, they had 1555 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.399 a completely different experience. So there was one guy who 1556 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:46.399 was very nervous and he had a nasty experience where 1557 01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.000 he was interacting with all sorts of dark things. Other 1558 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.399 people were more yeah, man, let me get a dose 1559 01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.359 of that, and then they had like an angelic experience, 1560 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:59.159 you know. So it mindset factors into it pretty strongly. 1561 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.399 So that means also in the case of the sexuality 1562 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:08.159 and the homosexuality, just the idea of will maybe not 1563 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.239 fitting in, maybe maybe being gay, and just feeling like 1564 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.520 you can't fit in for any reason. It could because 1565 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.079 sexuality or whatever the reason is, it could be anything. 1566 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.680 So if you can't you're not fitting in. I mean 1567 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:21.840 that I was kind of like that in high school. 1568 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.600 You know, it can be traumatizing, it can be stressful, 1569 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.199 and all of those things are the reasons whether he's 1570 01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:32.239 gay or not. But those are the reasons why I 1571 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:34.720 think you alluded to this. That's why he was chosen 1572 01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:38.520 to begin with, because he was a vulnerable kid who 1573 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.439 just didn't feel like he fit in, and so that's 1574 01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:45.920 what made him the target. Plus, let's look at the 1575 01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:48.159 X Men thing that you just referenced. I just thought 1576 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:52.600 of these synchronicities X Men and the Phoenix. So when 1577 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.279 the gates are opened in the season four one of 1578 01:18:56.319

--> 01:18:59.039 the season four finale episodes, the gates are finally opened 1579 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:04.039 and Hawkins split into segments, obviously, that creates a center 1580 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.920 place that's an X that marks the spot that's where 1581 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:12.800 the main gate opens. But hokins it's hawk, and a 1582 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:17.960 hawk is Horace, and Horace is basically the phoenix in 1583 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.319 Egypt rising out of the ashes. So there's the phoenix 1584 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.720 reference back to X Men. X marks the spot in Hopkins. 1585 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.920 So there's some synchronicities there too, and what you just said, 1586 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.159 or you know, maybe they can do us. Maybe they 1587 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.000 can do a spin off of Stranger Things where Mike 1588 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:36.800 and Will get together. They call it Magic Mike. 1589 01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.000 And that's another one where too, the Internet was trying 1590 01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:42.920 to they call it. They call it shipping. They're trying 1591 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:44.079 to ship a relationship together. 1592 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.079 They they were like, I listen to all the polk, 1593 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:51.199 like the non conspiracy, like just regular nerds breaking down 1594 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.960 an episode episode, and you hear like they really thought 1595 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:56.239 that they were going to like billion of the season, 1596 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.279 They're gonna be like making out on the show watching 1597 01:19:58.319 --> 01:19:59.720 the same Have you seen the same show that this 1598 01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:01.399 is this? That's not the show. 1599 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.039 We're watching it and it's just the Indian. It's the 1600 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:04.960 same thing with the conformity Gate stuff. It's like you're 1601 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.239 trying to that's not the reality of the show. You're 1602 01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:08.840 trying to make a new show. You know, you're trying to. 1603 01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:11.560 I don't know. It just it's a it's a I 1604 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.279 don't I don't like that aspect of the Phantom in 1605 01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:14.119 twenty twenty six. 1606 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.119 Is what exactly was conformity Gate. I was confused by 1607 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:17.760 what that was. 1608 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.119 It's just they didn't like, if you don't want to, 1609 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.840 if you don't want to know the exact ending of 1610 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:27.680 the show, tune out for ten seconds. But the idea 1611 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.920 that the ambiguity of eleven, whether she was alive or dead, 1612 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.000 and the whole mic thing like like ditty is this 1613 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:38.119 uh that that his belief, his idea was not actually 1614 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.920 what happened. And then they'll they'll realize that it was 1615 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:44.359 all a ploy from VECNA and that there's these little 1616 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.479 easter eggs, these little like continuity errors that a lot 1617 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.000 of the online s loose picked out that like in 1618 01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:53.199 season one there's a door is red with a blue 1619 01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:55.840 doorknob or something for just for instance, and in season 1620 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.159 five it's blue with a red doorknob or whatever. So 1621 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:03.239 the and that's because like Hollywood is falling apart, and 1622 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:05.680 they didn't fix that continuity. They didn't catch that in time. 1623 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:10.199 But because the online fan the only community, didn't like 1624 01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.960 the ending as much as they wanted to, they thought that, no, 1625 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.319 this is because they're living, they're in a false reality. 1626 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.319 And then those continuity errors are on purpose. The Deffert 1627 01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:20.760 brothers are so smart that they put them in there 1628 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:22.960 on purpose because it's trying to tell us that this 1629 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:24.960 is not the real world. This is another one of 1630 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.000 these effectum mindscapes. And that episode nine is going to 1631 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.520 come out on January seventh, and we're gonna get a 1632 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.920 real better ending and it's more satisfying and stuff, and 1633 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.359 it's just like it's the same thing they do with 1634 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.039 Game of Thrones. It's just you didn't like the ending 1635 01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:37.800 of Game of Thrones, so you thought that they were 1636 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:39.800 going to come out with a bonus episode just going 1637 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.159 to fix all the problems, and it's just that's not 1638 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:42.439 it's not reality. 1639 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:44.119 And they're still doing it. It's like they keep pushing 1640 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.119 it's it's quing on. They keep pushing the date back, 1641 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:48.760 back and back. Like I hate it, I really hate it. 1642 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:52.520 I think four hundred thousand people signed a petition to 1643 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.239 see the un to see the unseen footage that that 1644 01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:57.199 wasn't released. 1645 01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.399 But I also think this got fifty fifteen hour season. 1646 01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.279 It's like every episode is like two hours long. 1647 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:04.640 How how much they didn't They didn't cut that much

footage, 1648 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:06.399 you know, like we got what we got' that's the show. 1649 01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.479 But good, no, no, no, You're very passionate about this. 1650 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.439 I understand. So I'm i'm I'm thinking though about conformity 1651 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:14.840 gig because I had first seen that, I was like, 1652 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.119 what what the hell is conformity? I hate when things 1653 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:19.840 just go viral on the Internet. I don't understand what 1654 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.720 drives that and algorithm and certain specific things that are 1655 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.079 probably very explainable. But I see stuff like that, I'm like, 1656 01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.359 this is so stupid. But then I watched it and 1657 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:32.119 I didn't really understand. I mean, the continuity errors remind 1658 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:34.920 me of The Shining, So maybe you know, in The Shining, 1659 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.920 there's an argument that the continuity errors, especially for Cooprick, 1660 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:41.039 who was very very very strict making sure everything was 1661 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:44.359 perfect and even rewriting things as the as the film 1662 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:47.560 was shot, kind of makes me and some other people 1663 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.079 think that he did that intentionally, that a lot of 1664 01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:54.279 this had to do more with psychology in the mind 1665 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:58.680 than it did with the paranormal and the supernational, right, yeah, 1666 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.920 and so maybe that's that could be kind of I 1667 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.279 know that's not what they're arguing though, with the conformity gait, 1668 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:05.359 but that could be part of it. 1669 01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:07.079 I mean, that is it is what it is, I 1670 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:09.319 think is essentially what they're do. I mean, that's like 1671 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.720 the big like this, the formery game peoples, the lower 1672 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.760 tier of of nerd. This is like this is It's 1673 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.199 not like the most distinguished media consumers and stuff, and 1674 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.319 they just they just want the perfect ending that they 1675 01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.239 had in their head. Just a fan theorized, ending, I 1676 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:28.079 don't even know what they expect to have, that they just. 1677 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.720 Wanted more so they wanted the gay sex scene between Mike. 1678 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.439 And Yeah, I guess, I guess. 1679 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:37.439 But then the more kind of, the more distinguished, the 1680 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.119 more dignified, I guess pop culture fans are looking at 1681 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.319 them like, oh, you guys

are experiencing stranger of things 1682 01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.640 the way we've experienced Kubrick for the last forty years 1683 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.279 and stuff, and this is very kubricking and and but 1684 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:52.279 like it's not the same thing saying like exactly what 1685 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.399 he's saying that Kubrick did these things potentially on purpose 1686 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.319 or that maybe even I mean, I believe I believe 1687 01:23:58.359 --> 01:23:59.840 that he did it on purpose. I'm I'm in the 1688 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.359 I'm in the school of dot where these things are 1689 01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:05.159 intentionally He's like, that's why shut and stuff. 1690 01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:08.279 You put these things in there on purpose. But there 1691 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:09.840 is a chance that he just kind of messed up 1692 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:10.159 a little bit. 1693 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:12.800 And there is a school of dot where where he's 1694 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.119 not he's a little bit overrated and and he messed 1695 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:17.279 up a lot. But with the formerity Gate, they're taking 1696 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:18.880 the same thing where like, oh no, this show is 1697 01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:20.720 so good, and I love it so much that these 1698 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:23.079 continuity errors can't possibly. 1699 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.079 Be Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, that makes sense. 1700 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.760 When and all the continuity errors are because that they're 1701 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.159 they're intentionally on purpose to show that you're living. You 1702 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.960 know that their finale is is actually one of these dreamscapes, 1703 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.560 one of these like the place where Haully and Max 1704 01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:39.039 are one of visits backness fake fake. 1705 01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:43.159 Like it's a really lazy thing to argue though, considering 1706 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.960 that the whole fourth and fifth season are basically taking 1707 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.760 place in an inception style world, So like any you 1708 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.640 could argue that about everything everything. 1709 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:52.760 Yeah, it's just a lot. 1710 01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:55.119 It's just it's a twenty twenty five twenty twenty six 1711 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:57.119 problem where people are trying to create their own reality. 1712 01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:59.399 People are it's the problem with the algorithm and stuff. 1713 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.199 It just whatever you want to be true, whether you 1714 01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:06.640 want Trump to be some superhero savior who's que trustal process, 1715 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:10.119 all these Q things when in reality, the Trust plan everything, 1716 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.359 the supermarket's absolutely awful, and we don't hear anyth about 1717 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.399 the Epstein list and all these things. It's just everything 1718 01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.239 he ran on the opposite's happening. But if you don't 1719 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.039 want to believe that, then you don't have to. You 1720 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.079 can just go online and your algorithm will show you 1721 01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:23.680 the things that you want to see. If if you're 1722 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:25.840 a Zack Snyder fan and you want to believe ten 1723 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:27.880 years after the movie came out that there's going to 1724 01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:29.720 be a new Snyder cut of stuff and Netflix is 1725 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:31.800 gonna save everything, and you can believe that and stuff, 1726 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.079 You can anything you want to believe what we want 1727 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:36.560 to color your reality with. The algorithm will take you 1728 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.279 down those those paths and stuff, And that's kind of 1729 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.119 scary to me. It could also what we're doing. 1730 01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.800 There was there was a random website that had a 1731 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.239 bunch of numbers in it and it had like a 1732 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.520 countdown to January seventh, which was part of the formaty 1733 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:53.319 Gate conspiracy. But see, I think that a lot of 1734 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:59.000 that is just probably pushed and promoted by Netflix because 1735 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.359 it gets people talked about it, and whether you like 1736 01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:03.359 the ending or not, it's going to drive more of 1737 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.319 this is really interesting people are talking about I guess 1738 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:07.520 I'm gonna go watch it. It drives more people to 1739 01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:07.960 watch it. 1740 01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:09.560 Yeah, And that's a nightmare. 1741 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:13.079 That's the that's the algorithm and that's that's this clickbait 1742 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.760 like clicks over credibility with the Internet and stuff, and 1743 01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.279 we're it's just kinda balloon out of control. 1744 01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:20.319 It's just it's. 1745 01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.199 It doesn't matter, like the nerd world is just full 1746 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.319 of it, because you can, like any kind of AI 1747 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:29.680 bought page can just say, oh, well, Brad Pitt was 1748 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.479 cast as cyclops and avengers Doomsday and just put some 1749 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.159 kind of AI image on there with no source or whatever, 1750 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:37.119 and it's going to get one hundred thousand clicks on 1751 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:38.720 it and stuff, and it's blatantly not real.

1752 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:41.199 You don't it doesn't like you don't need to. 1753 01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.239 Say the Internet. It's like seventy five percent that. 1754 01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.079 Yeah, that's all and so, and then the it's the 1755 01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.319 AI doing it, and then it's all the content creators 1756 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.319 having to compete with the AI doing it, and so 1757 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:52.960 the thumbnails get more and more extravagant, the headlines get 1758 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.239 more and more extravagant, the well, I'm just I just 1759 01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.079 gotta like it doesn't matter. 1760 01:26:57.399 --> 01:26:59.119 This is just one small thing I'm doing. I'm kind 1761 01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:01.439 of embellishing a little put it's small. Who cares? 1762 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.840 But it's just if everyone is doing that, then it's 1763 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:08.640 just it's no, it's snowballs and we're just reality becomes 1764 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:10.560 completely fake and I don't know, it's just it's a 1765 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:10.960 dark thing. 1766 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.840 I think this is kind of the I think it's intentional. 1767 01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.199 I think this is the arconic aspect that these AI 1768 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:19.680 and these algorithms have, Like you inclined to the show 1769 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:23.760 about algorithm being based off alcohol and All Star and 1770 01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.600 all that kind of things, that that there's something demonic 1771 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.399 er or something at least young in shadow about AI 1772 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:31.039 and the way. 1773 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.119 It's dragging us down and putting us spring. 1774 01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.199 Wasn't that Rick and Morty too. Didn't the aliens build 1775 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:40.680 like an app to take over the world driven by algorithm? Probably? 1776 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:42.279 I don't think I'm much if I saw that one. 1777 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.079 But that's why Rick and Morty there's kind of real. 1778 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.239 I'm going to be twenty of rants about both the 1779 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:49.119 Internet and how bad it is, but I think it'll 1780 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:49.920 ties it together. 1781 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:52.640 Now you can actually kind of pull us up. I 1782 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.359 guess you could call it a synchronous city in a way. 1783 01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:56.279 You can kind of pull this out of the conformity Gate, 1784 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.199 because it's not the conformity Gate conspiracy, but the idea 1785 01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.520 that maybe in relation to the child abuse and the sexuality, 1786 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.560 and themes that maybe some of this stuff was kind 1787 01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.000 of in the mind of Will because he was disassociating 1788 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.359 from what was happening. That's not really a mainline conspiracy, 1789 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:14.560 but you can kind of pull that out of the show. 1790 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.880 And then of course that I think it's interesting that 1791 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.319 the draft, what do they call it, a treatment, the 1792 01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:24.359 treatment for Stranger Things originally was called montalk and it 1793 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:26.840 looks like a comic book cover. Right, it's called the 1794 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.279 Stranger Things Bible. If you type that in and PDF, 1795 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:31.039 you can pull up the pull it up on the 1796 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.359 internet free. But when you watch the credits at the 1797 01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:38.520 very final, the very final credits of the show, I'm 1798 01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:42.479 assuming you watch them. The final the final scene before 1799 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.720 it goes black, is a D and D book, but 1800 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.399 it's Stranger Things, and it says Stranger Things is a 1801 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.760 role playing game. So you go from like a real 1802 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:56.680 government conspiracy project, you know, comic book cover to start 1803 01:28:56.840 --> 01:28:59.920 and then to end the Stranger Things the experience is 1804 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.920 really just a D and D role playing game. That's 1805 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:05.239 kind of interesting. I have not heard that brought up yet. 1806 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.399 It is interesting and it kind of gets you into 1807 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:09.399 a real world m. 1808 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.800 Kochia style stuff too, Like there's a I haven't gone 1809 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:14.600 to down to find down these rabbit holes. But the 1810 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:18.119 these a lot of the most recent shooters, at least 1811 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.279 especially from the twenty twenties are kind of inter role 1812 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.319 playing games and kind of there's a role playing game 1813 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:27.319 element to some of these dark rabbit holes with with 1814 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.159 the with these shooters and these tarist attacks and stuff. 1815 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.600 And it's like the way people will We've talked about 1816 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.000 it with that show. Uh I'm blanking on the name, 1817 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.920 but it's like it's like the voice of American Idol, 1818 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:39.960 but they use their online avatars instead. 1819 01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:45.000 Of using their actual bodies all the mask singer something 1820 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:45.199 like that. 1821 01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.279 It's not the mass singer, it's something like that, but 1822 01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:51.720 they're they're usually like

literally their online emoji avatars dancing 1823 01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:54.600 around rather than them. They like creating their own these 1824 01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:59.079 they're curating their own personas and stuff, Like they're playing 1825 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:02.760 a role that potentially like the way kind of people 1826 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.479 are weaponized is in this role playing game mode where 1827 01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:10.359 like they're creating so much trauma, they're making the kind 1828 01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:14.399 of waking world reality seem uh like unpalatable, and so 1829 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:18.159 people decide that they they rather joint, like just associate 1830 01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:22.640 and join these uh online communities are these uh D 1831 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.680 and D specifically role playing game, but they you the 1832 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.560 internet and kind of the modern world as a role 1833 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:31.520 playing game, and you enter the playing field, we log 1834 01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:35.319 onto the Internet and you assume this completely different identity. 1835 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.319 You can curate whoever you want, Like the person behind 1836 01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.840 the behind the keyboard might not be reflective at all 1837 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.319 of their what they're presenting. 1838 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:43.720 To people online and stuff. And that's kind of this, 1839 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:45.439 and you can. 1840 01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.039 You can put that smiley face mask, that smiley face 1841 01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:51.239 mask over the monster. And what is the internet? What 1842 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:52.880 do we call the internet? We call it the web? 1843 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:55.720 And what gets stuck in a web the food of 1844 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:56.279 a spider. 1845 01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:58.319 Yeah, and they don't kill. 1846 01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.439 Then, And just like this, it's just like, I don't 1847 01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:02.920 know why I associate archons with spiders so much. 1848 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.399 The behavior of spiders is demonic to me. 1849 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.520 It's that's the reason why I have no qualms with 1850 01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:09.439 with killing one if I see one in the corner 1851 01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:11.199 of my room. If I know, if if they were 1852 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:13.359 as large as me, that they would web me up 1853 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.159 and keep me alive as they fed on me slowly 1854 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:18.000 over a long period of time and evolutionarily, what's the 1855 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.560 benefit of that other than like this penny wise aspect 1856 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:25.880 of it's it's better if it's you're a little scared, 1857 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.680 you know, it's it's it's it's why not why not 1858 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.159 just kill you right away? Like when it's but it's 1859 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.399 better if to keep you alive and kind of pray 1860 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.399 on you so they don't want to ruin you. 1861 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:38.920 They don't want to. I don't want to like wear 1862 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.359 you down to a to kill yourself. 1863 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:42.960 They want to wear you down to you want to 1864 01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.880 buy a bunch of stuff online or buy munch of pharmaceuticals. 1865 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:52.479 Or you're toyed with You're toyed with the Yeah, you're. 1866 01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.399 Slowly slowly fed on with your attention because they want 1867 01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:58.439 those clicks and everything, and they they keep you in 1868 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.960 this fight or flight mode because you buy more stuff 1869 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.760 or you're more reactive, are you're more likely to click 1870 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:08.439 on their rage bait things and everything. And it's just, yeah, 1871 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:08.760 I don't know. 1872 01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:10.760 It kind of reminds me of it kind of maminds 1873 01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:12.880 me of No Face from Spirited Away. You've ever seen 1874 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:13.279 that movie? 1875 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:15.359 I had? I actually am not. 1876 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.680 Oh my god, I've got to give you a professional 1877 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.119 and a friendly recommendation. You've got to watch Spirited Away. 1878 01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:23.399 You will. 1879 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:24.960 You will really like it. It's one of my favorite 1880 01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:27.560 movies all the time. But this girl goes she's spirited 1881 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.720 Away Kami Kokushi. She gets dragged into this other world 1882 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.600 by going through a gait a portal without realizing that 1883 01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:36.439 they walk through like a tunnel, and they end up 1884 01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:39.920 in the other world, the spirit world, and she ends 1885 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.840 up working at a bath house, and the spirits are 1886 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.640 coming in and out of the bath house, and there's 1887 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:50.920 this dark spirit called No Face. So he's pale white face. Yeah, 1888 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:52.760 everybody knows No Face even if you haven't seen it. 1889 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.760 But but No Face is very similar to a slender man, 1890 01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.319 not the body, but the face. It's a pale white 1891 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.039 face with very little, you know, characteristics and definition. It's 1892 01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.600 how Hopper explains the demagorgan to the Russians in the Gulag. 1893 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:10.760 And so this monster it offers. You know, everybody's really 1894

01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:13.760 excited at the bath house because this this monster has 1895 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.880 showed up, doesn't really look like a monster, but he 1896 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:18.560 has all this gold and he's just giving out handfuls 1897 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.520 of gold for food and for extra towels. And all 1898 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:25.760 this stuff, and then at one point everybody starts fighting 1899 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.199 and arguing because there's so much gold. Everybody gets super greedy, 1900 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.159 and the main girl she refuses it. She's like, I 1901 01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:34.039 don't need any more. I don't need any money. I'm 1902 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:35.880 just happy doing what i'm doing. I'm trying to get 1903 01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:37.319 back to my parents. I don't need money. And so 1904 01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:40.119 this thing gets really upset because she's not taking the gold. 1905 01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:43.439 Long story short, you know, everybody's fighting to get the 1906 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.600 extra gold that she won't take, and this monster, this 1907 01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:49.239 thing just opens up as it's getting fatter from eating 1908 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:51.960 and eating and eating, and it starts it just starts 1909 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:55.640 eating people. And even though it's eating people, people still 1910 01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:57.720 want the gold, and the more gold they take, the 1911 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:01.159 gold starts to turn into to ash, which is also 1912 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:05.159 part of the UFO and fairy mythology. The more you 1913 01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.439 feed it, the bigger it gets. It eventually consumes you. 1914 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:11.279 It's a very And also at one point I just 1915 01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:13.880 remembered this. At one point one of the scenes where 1916 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:17.920 she goes to bring it something, the main girl, it 1917 01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:22.399 turns into almost like a spider type thing and is 1918 01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:24.399 demanding that she takes the goal. So it's like a 1919 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.720 parasitic spider mind flare type of thing. And it's shadowy, 1920 01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.079 it's a theory, it doesn't really have a full definition, 1921 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.199 which is similar to the misty stuff in Stranger Things. 1922 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.399 I just just thought of that too. There's a lot 1923 01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:38.600 of there's just so many different parallels and synchronicities. Because 1924 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:42.399 we're all talking about whether it's entertainment or mythology, we're 1925 01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:45.159 all talking about pretty much the same thing. I wanted 1926 01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:47.279 to bring this up before I forget. This is one 1927 01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:49.359 of my favorite things that I picked up in the show. 1928 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.920 Did you pick up the Collie reference before you heard 1929 01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:56.960 me mentioned on Ground zero eleven Sisters? 1930 01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:57.680 Yeah? 1931 01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.479 I was similar to you where the name didn't strike 1932 01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.520 me as much until watching season five, like, oh yeah Collie, 1933 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:04.920 Wow the cut of instruction and stuff, but uh I did. 1934 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:06.840 I did catch it, but please explain it. But I 1935 01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:08.199 didn't like it. 1936 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.239 Didn't name didn't stick out to me when I watched 1937 01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:13.520 originally in season two, but then season five, I feel 1938 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.720 like they really pronounced the name, like like they wanted 1939 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:17.640 you to make the associations. 1940 01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:20.680 Yes, yes, and and it would have been interesting if 1941 01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:22.880 we're dealing with time and her name's Collie the Goddess 1942 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:24.760 of Time, and it was just that, but I thought 1943 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.399 it was actually kind of brilliant. I don't know who 1944 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:29.680 wrote this part, but I thought it was brilliant. They 1945 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:34.079 incorporated the literal story of Collie into the character because 1946 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.720 Eleven's I think she's the adopted sister of Eleven. She 1947 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.319 is trying, she really wants to stop the government from 1948 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:45.039 making more of these super soldier type kids, or making 1949 01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:47.279 more of these these kids with these these powers of 1950 01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:50.840 telekindic abilities. So she's trying to stop the government from 1951 01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:55.319 taking the blood of people like Eleven, because Henry's blood 1952 01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.560 is what started the whole program, and she wants to 1953 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.159 stop the production, the creation of these as they refer 1954 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.560 to Eleven, Henry refers to her as the monster who 1955 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:08.199 created him, right Vekna, So wants to stop the creation 1956 01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:11.600 of monsters by stopping the government from having access to 1957 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:16.439 this blood. That is the story of Kali. She fights demons. 1958 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:20.159 She defeats a demon named rok Tabja. I'm not sure 1959 01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:24.199 if I'm pronouncing it correctly, rok Tabija, And when the 1960 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.359 blood of the demon drips to the ground, this is 1961 01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:30.119 why Colley's tongue is out she licks the blood up 1962 01:36:30.560 -->

01:36:34.119 so it doesn't create and produce more monsters and more demons. 1963 01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:39.000 So they in corporated that directly into Stranger Things, like 1964 01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:44.119 completely directly literally from the mythology. It was a brilliant character. 1965 01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.560 I didn't like her character, but the way they incorporated 1966 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.119 that into the character made me kind of like the character. 1967 01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:50.960 I thought it was brilliant. 1968 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.600 That kind of makes you think that they maybe they're 1969 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.479 smarter than give them credit for, because that's something that 1970 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:58.680 maybe they knew. They knew they were going to do 1971 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.399 that all the way from season two when they introduced 1972 01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:02.000 there that I was. 1973 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:06.800 Thinking the same thing, right, Yeah, it's really yeah, Hold 1974 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:08.920 on a second, I just remember something else you had 1975 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.880 said to me. We were talking about the Barbie movie 1976 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.119 and the Barbie Oppenheimer movies, which I think you and 1977 01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:17.560 I maybe did a show in that. I know I 1978 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:20.119 hosted a Ground zero about it. But the Barbie Oppenheimer 1979 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:24.079 movie connection is very similar to this because we're talking 1980 01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:26.960 about the gates and the portals being ripped open yea, 1981 01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.720 these big beings humans playing with these dolls on the 1982 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.199 other side, and then the Oppenheimer movie being sold alongside 1983 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:37.399 of Barbie and that's about, you know, the bomb and 1984 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.239 opening up the gate to the other side in a 1985 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:41.680 sense too. Can do you remember much of that? Can 1986 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.279 you explain that series of synchronicities. 1987 01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:48.039 I've never actually I didn't. We did the show together 1988 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.359 and I watched Oppenheimer, but I never actually watched Barbie. 1989 01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:53.560 So I'm going off on you talking about Barbie in 1990 01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:57.079 the in the Memorane of Reality and Passion through the Veils. 1991 01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.199 But I remember you mentioned in the Saturn sigil was 1992 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:00.960 in Bobbie. 1993 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.319 Yeah, she's in the well. Actually, it's funny you say that. 1994 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:06.279 It just reminded me when she saw it. When you 1995 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:10.720 see the Saturn sigil, Uh, it is. And they actually 1996 01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:13.640 the way that

they edit it, there's a disco ball 1997 01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:16.119 spinning and it kind of fades out, so the ball 1998 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:18.000 is spinning in the middle of this ring, so it 1999 01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:21.680 looks like Saturn. But when she's when she's she says, 2000 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:25.119 do you guys ever think about death? Which is Saturn 2001 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.600 the architect? Oh yeah, yeah, And she's in her quote 2002 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:33.319 dream house when she says that, And I. 2003 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:37.119 Mean and the CALLI Kelly Kevin, the time connection of 2004 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:39.600 Saturn arms with the god at the time, and then 2005 01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:44.479 they released the show as the three part released, but 2006 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.159 one of the parts what they released on Christmas, so 2007 01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.319 they made it a The show has been primarily associated 2008 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.079 with summer, the fourth of July and then Halloween obviously, 2009 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.239 but then they released the show on Saturday, Alia with 2010 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:55.119 that kind of interesting. 2011 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:56.960 Oh, I didn't even think about that Saturday Eli. And 2012 01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.840 then Henry walks around. He talks about how he's, you know, 2013 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.960 using these kids to build something, so construct something, so 2014 01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:06.960 an architect, a grand architect. You see at the radio 2015 01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:10.039 station and the character Max has this on her shoes. 2016 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.319 You see the black and white Masonic floor. The duality 2017 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.920 between worlds and states of of of of thought and feeling, 2018 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:20.039 black and white, good and evil, good in light or 2019 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:23.399 good in light versus bad and dark. We'll go ahead, 2020 01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:23.680 go ahead. 2021 01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:28.000 Remember the opening to thee maybe the closing anything was 2022 01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.800 the opening to the Summer Olympics, the most recent Summer Olympics. 2023 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:34.279 With that the I figure what they call it, the 2024 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:40.760 Golden not the Golden Watcher, but with the French Olands. Yeah, 2025 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:42.920 with the alien thing coming down from the sky. It 2026 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.399 was like it's like it looked like a weird spiky 2027 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:51.199 bumblebee type metallic golden alien thing came down, Golden Explorer, 2028 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:55.560 the golden something. But like the the basically looked. 2029 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.800 Like this weird kind of I don't know, alien coming 2030 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:03.239 down and then guiding people to like uncover these

these 2031 01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:07.239 giant creatures, these giant machines that they opened together. These 2032 01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:10.800 they were like it was like kind of I depicted 2033 01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:12.840 as like the gray Aliens or kind of some kind 2034 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.000 of like Luciferian character, some kind of Promethean like some 2035 01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:20.159 kind of conduit type character who intermediary come down from 2036 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.000 coming up from space. It comes down to the material 2037 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:27.760 plane communicates with humanity to get them to open the gate, 2038 01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:29.760 to get them to unburied tartarists. They get them to 2039 01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:31.880 unlock the door to let this thing back in. That 2040 01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:36.640 there's the Luciferian figure corrupt corrupting humanity to get them 2041 01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.399 to release a Saturn type figure. And that's kind of 2042 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:42.560 the VECNA corrupting these kids to get them to be 2043 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:44.560 the builders or to get them to open the gates 2044 01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:46.640 or et cetera, et cetera, in order to release this 2045 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:52.159 mynd flavor figure, this Luciferian corrupter, to to release this 2046 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:56.079 attorneyan oh god, this trap somewhere. You know, that's the 2047 01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:57.760 Olympic like opening too. 2048 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:01.399 I don't remember the image that you're refering too. I 2049 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.760 remember some of the I remember the golden bull head 2050 01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:05.720 and some of the other more controversial stuff. 2051 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:10.279 I know it's the Olympics, Golden I don't have it. 2052 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:11.760 I don't want to mess up my antinet by trying 2053 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:13.680 to search for it. Talk for a minute and as 2054 01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:14.199 you can find it. 2055 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:17.479 Yeah, well, I remember the pale horse or the gray 2056 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.640 silver horse and some of the other things related to 2057 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:22.760 the river, and isis some of that if we're talking 2058 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:26.520 about the French Olympics, the Dionysus, last seperate Meal and whatnot. 2059 01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:29.319 While you're looking that up, I'll also mention the there 2060 01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:34.359 was a sigil of Jupiter also in Oppenheimer when actually 2061 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:39.199 the Department of Energy he's talking about the or the 2062 01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:41.880 Atomic Energy Commission. He's talking about the different laboratories that 2063 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.520 are going to be used to build the bomb, and 2064 01:41:44.600 --> 01:41:47.720 he draws them all out on a chalkboard and then 2065 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.800 he draws a circle around the X that marks the 2066 01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:53.399 spot in the middle where it all converges, and that's 2067 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:57.439 the sigil of Jupiter, which is typically I mean you 2068 01:41:57.880 --> 01:41:59.479 use it for different things, but you can use the 2069 01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:05.680 Jupiter if you're involved in a quarrel or a fight. 2070 01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:09.119 So we're fighting, you know, competing with let's say the 2071 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.640 Nazis to build the bomb, the Germans to build the bomb, 2072 01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:15.159 and you're using it for protection against your enemy in 2073 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:18.399 case your enemy develops you know, the weapon or you know, 2074 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:20.840 gets whatever it is that can defeat you first. And 2075 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.119 that's the actual sigil of Jupiter. That's what it's one 2076 01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:26.319 of the things that's used for. And that just kind 2077 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:29.520 of gets sprinkled into a movie like Oppenheimer, which is 2078 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.600 more of a science based movie, and it was again 2079 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:35.079 sold next to Barbie where they're talking about membranes opening 2080 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.439 between worlds with this power and energy and there's it's 2081 01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:43.960 there's no way that all of this stuff is just coincidental. 2082 01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.079 Crazy crazy, I found it. But it's the Golden Voyager. 2083 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:51.119 I send you a picture on a text on it. 2084 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:54.479 But it's this weird kind of like masked, faceless, golden 2085 01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:59.600 like b looking, weird spaceman looking thing that comes down 2086 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:03.359 from from guy deals with humanity because humanity to Unbury. 2087 01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:03.520 Looks like. 2088 01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:08.560 It looks the work Yes Talos, Yeah, there's a there's 2089 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:12.319 a Kirby character looks pretty similar to this. I'm like 2090 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.239 another name, but it's some kind of weird alien character. 2091 01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:19.840 Jack Herbery character, but you're talking Oppenheimer. And synchronistically, the 2092 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:23.399 guy who the actor Matthew Modine plays, he plays Papa 2093 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:25.239 Brenner plays like the head of him Kultra, who I 2094 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:31.000 think is a is a Tim Leary Corollary plays vanover 2095 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.279 Bush in Oppenheimer, a very very small role, but vanover 2096 01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:38.119 Bush as a weird character who mentioned on the show, 2097 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.479 but it's a He was the head of Majestic twelve. 2098 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:42.439 He was like, there's a quote

from from Truman being like, 2099 01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:45.039 if you come up with any alien stuff, bring it 2100 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.479 to me, or bring it to vanover Bush. He was 2101 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.600 at the Manhattan Project, which is why using in Openheimer. 2102 01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:54.680 He was at the Philadelphia Experiment, which ties into the. 2103 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:58.560 The Rainbow that Will's mom, remember when you drew the 2104 01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:00.760 Rainbow ship, your ship the rainco. 2105 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:04.920 Ship exactly, and he was he was hevented raytheon which 2106 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:10.479 means uh, radiant God. And then he Tesla's papers from 2107 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.359 Trump's uncle. So when Trump's uncle was given the Tesla papers, 2108 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:16.039 Oh really, I didn't know this, Yeah, because he worked 2109 01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:18.119 at mi T at the time. The head of them 2110 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.880 i T Science department was Vaneverar Bush, so they were friends. 2111 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.880 He was friends with Trump's uncle, and Trump's uncle brings 2112 01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:27.560 consults the head of the department, vanever Bush with these papers. 2113 01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:29.680 So the same way all of the conspiracy theories of 2114 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:31.600 whether or not Trump the time traveled because of this, 2115 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.199 the same kind of applies to Van never Bush, who's 2116 01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:35.800 played by played by Papa Brenner. 2117 01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:38.000 What about this, there's a bunch of those weird casting choices. 2118 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.479 What about the Leary connection to one Owner Rider? Because 2119 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:42.880 we I know, I didn't know this before Ground Zero, 2120 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:44.239 So when we were on the show, I had looked 2121 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:47.239 it up and found that the Duffer brothers specifically sought 2122 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:51.319 out Win Owner Rider to play Will's mother. She chose 2123 01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:53.600 the part because she liked the script and being this, 2124 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.560 you know, playing this mother character, and said, well, it's 2125 01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:58.800 kind of hard for me to do it. I get 2126 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.119 if it doesn't inn fear. I think it was with 2127 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:04.000 the Beetlejuice movie she was working on. She said, I'll 2128 01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:06.039 do it if it doesn't interfere with that. So they 2129 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.880 worked around that to make sure that they could get 2130 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.760 her to play the character. But you had said that 2131 01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:15.359 Lenona Ryder has a direct connection to Leary, so. 2132 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:17.680 She she's like, uh, in season one, if you

back, 2133 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:19.399 I remember, she was the big star. She's the only 2134 01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:20.000 kind of face. 2135 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:23.399 Hopper and Eleven and all these all these people they 2136 01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:27.319 weren't they were like, uh, Hopper was a minor actor 2137 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.520 if anything, but she was. She was the reason why 2138 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:31.119 the show got made. She was number one in the 2139 01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:35.760 call sheet. And synchronistically, her godfather in real life is 2140 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:41.039 Tim Leary. That's so crazy, so crazy, so crazy, and uh, 2141 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:42.840 so I knew that that's really all I knew of it, 2142 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:44.520 and I knew it was gonna come up on the 2143 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:45.840 on the show the other day, so I wanted to 2144 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.399 get deeper into it, and how did that even come 2145 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:51.000 up come about? And so apparently her parents are Michael 2146 01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:54.920 Horowitz and Cynthia Palmer Horowitz, and they're both both writers 2147 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:57.560 and activists and just kind of like thinkers of the time. 2148 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:02.520 And Michael worked as archivist for Timothy Leary, so they 2149 01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:04.840 were fairy close friends. So tim Leary became her godfather. 2150 01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:07.039 And then I'm like, that's kind of a weird, weird thing. 2151 01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.920 So Ronora his. 2152 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.640 Parents, Michael Horworth and Cynthia Palmer, were actually founders of 2153 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:17.359 the Reda's Little founders of the Fritz fitz Hugh Low 2154 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:21.159 Memorial Library, a renowned collection of psychoactive drug related literature. 2155 01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:24.199 The library was established in nineteen seventy in San Francisco 2156 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:26.760 and is considered one of the largest and most comprehensive 2157 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:28.199 collections of its kind in the world. 2158 01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:30.840 So it's like, who is this fitz Hugh Lolow character. 2159 01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:33.359 There's a name for fitz hu Lolow, author of the 2160 01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.680 first full length work of drug literature written by an American, 2161 01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:39.960 called The Hashish Eater in eighteen fifty seven, And it's 2162 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:44.000 hugely influential with the psychedelic movement and the like the 2163 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:48.439 movement of scientists and thinkers and philosophers to explore the 2164 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:51.760 world of quantava altered states, like the term alted states 2165 01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:53.720 that beliefs comes from this book. And just like it's 2166 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:57.279 this is like the it's about like weed. So it's 2167 01:46:57.279 --> 01:46:57.880 not like about. 2168 01:46:57.720 --> 01:46:59.239 Pelsty Neck kind of stuff, but it's kind of the 2169 01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:04.399 psychedelic Bible, like the Amachai Ultra. Anything that happened in 2170 01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:07.560 the nineteen hundreds wouldn't exist without this eighteen hundreds Hashishi. 2171 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:09.720 Eater and then kind of the Koud de Gras. 2172 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:11.520 The reason why I'm bringing it up is because like 2173 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.600 this is on the wikie, which just blew my mind. 2174 01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.920 But Howard Phillips Lovecraft HP. Lovecraft owned a copy of 2175 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.399 The Hashishi Eater. He bought it in nineteen twenty five 2176 01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:24.680 from fellow writer and bookseller Samuel Loveman. In a nineteen 2177 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.800 twenty seven letter to Bernard Austin Dwyer, Lovecraft declared of 2178 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:30.600 the influence of Lovelow's writings on his own. 2179 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.600 And it's a quick quote I have read. Have I 2180 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:37.279 read Fitzhugh love Low's Hashishi Eater? Why Sir I possessed 2181 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.720 upon mine own shelves and would not part with it 2182 01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:43.640 for any inducement whatever whatsoever. I have frequently re read these, 2183 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:47.600 these fantasmic gorias exotic color, which proved more of a 2184 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:50.920 stimulant to my own fancy than any vegetable alkaloid ever 2185 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.880 grown and distilled. The reeling panoramas out of space and 2186 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:56.880 time have an unmistakable tinge of authenticity, and even the 2187 01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:00.600 metaphysical speculations were far from arid and just basically just 2188 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.840 goes on and be like Lovecraft wouldn't exist, love Craft 2189 01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:06.479 like the weird lovecrafting and weird. 2190 01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:09.239 All the tentacles, all the tentacles and strangers things, all. 2191 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:12.760 That everything wouldn't exist unless he read this classic book 2192 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.439 about theesh Eater that when I want to write his 2193 01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.399 parents went on to make a museum book, Scott, what 2194 01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:20.359 are the odds of that? 2195 01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:24.720 That might be the most crazy, the most wild of 2196 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:26.159 all the stranger sinks? 2197 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:28.279 That is absolutely bizarre. 2198 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.680 That is bizarre. I'll try to match it if you 2199 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:34.720 if we go back and look at the watch Towers 2200 01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:37.760 and the opening of those four gates and stranger things. 2201

01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:40.840 Just a little background on the watch Towers and the 2202 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.079 Inochian magic of John d and Edward Kelly. So the 2203 01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:49.039 watch Towers otherwise known as the gates, this is, this 2204 01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:54.079 is a grid of letters and characters that name angels 2205 01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:56.960 and kings and different entities that are that are all 2206 01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:01.119 involved in this process. And John Dne Edward Kelly were 2207 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:05.960 supposedly talking to angels. It references kings, which is also 2208 01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:09.359 the secondary definition of what henry means. Henry means the 2209 01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:12.119 ruler of a house. It also means the king of 2210 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:17.439 the house. So Alister Crowley famously. I think for anybody 2211 01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:22.199 who knows Crowley, he famously incorporated the Inenochian magic into 2212 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:24.840 his work. He adapted it and altered some of it. 2213 01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:27.960 He scried and used some of the same elements and 2214 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:30.399 some of the same techniques and put that into the 2215 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:36.279 filming system. Now, Jack Parsons, that's people joke and say 2216 01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:40.119 JPL is the Jack Parsons Lab, Jeff Propulsion's lab. Jack 2217 01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:42.520 Parsons who famously would go in the desert and he 2218 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.199 kind of sang or read poetry to the god pawn 2219 01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:51.199 and would launch his his rockets. Right, this is real stuff. 2220 01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:56.439 It's real. I think there's an article on that. I 2221 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:59.039 think if you can tell, let's find it. Jack Parsons, 2222 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:03.039 a Holt's history. I think it was like a Scientific 2223 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:07.399 American article or something. There should be several articles in that. 2224 01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:08.119 You could look it up though. 2225 01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:11.039 But yeah, I mean CBS made a Strange Angel, a 2226 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:12.479 whole TV show about him, which I. 2227 01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:15.720 Haven't watched, but all these yeah, this is real, folks. 2228 01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.720 I think it's on Paramount Plus or whatever, but came 2229 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.640 out like twenty nineteen ish range. But yeah, so I 2230 01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:21.840 think it's the whole series about I. 2231 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:23.479 Think it's the only thing I have close enough to 2232 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:26.000 what you just said that was such a such a bombshell. 2233 01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:30.119 So Jack Parsons, also like Crowley, this was the father 2234 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:36.640 of modern rocket Tree outside of Werner von Braun. Jack Parsons, 2235 01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:39.880 who was a follower of Crowley and a leader in 2236 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:44.359 the Agate Lodge of the Oto, and he incorporated in 2237 01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:50.279 Nokian magic rituals into his work, including Babylon working, which 2238 01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:54.680 was done alongside of people like l Ron Hubbard. And 2239 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:59.359 this involved sex magic ceremonies that were aimed to incarnate 2240 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:04.880 incarnate Babylon on Earth otherwise known as the moon Child 2241 01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:10.800 or get this. The purpose of doing this was to 2242 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:18.920 shatter the space time boundaries and usher in the aon 2243 01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:23.920 of Horace the Hawk Hawkins space time boundaries. That's the 2244 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:27.760 whole upside down. It's quite literally a rip in space time. 2245 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:32.159 And then if you go a little bit further, Parsons 2246 01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:36.399 incorporated the Enochian calls. These are the invocations of the 2247 01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:40.640 angelic language to do what people have always assumed the 2248 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:43.239 atomic bomb in the occult realm. People have assumed the 2249 01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:45.600 atomic bomb did was open a gate to another dimension. 2250 01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:46.920 I think there's a little bit of a reference to 2251 01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.960 that in what's that other TV show Twin Peaks? Exactly 2252 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.319 probably inspired by this. I've never actually watched much of 2253 01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:57.880 Twin Peaks, but probably inspired by this. So Parsons used 2254 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.560 Enochian calls to open interdimensional gates, drawing on the watch 2255 01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:07.199 towers or the four different watch towers, the four directions, 2256 01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:11.239 which is literally what Vechna is doing in Stranger since 2257 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:14.000 he's opening the gates using the watch towers. 2258 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:18.840 Wow. Wow, geez. Always people talk about like why you 2259 01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:20.399 guys talking about changing things, and it's like, how do 2260 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:21.920 you listen to something like that and be like, no, no, 2261 01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:23.600 this is all just fake. This is all just fantasy. 2262 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.359 But you guys just reading too much and just entertained 2263 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:27.479 to these just doesn't make any sense. But it reminds 2264 01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:30.840 me of a you're talking about Oppenheimer and Bobby and stuff. 2265 01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:35.880 Do you remember like the Christopher Nolan is known for 2266 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:38.279 all these practical effects and doing everything himself, and the 2267 01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:41.039 Audissey's coming out. He's

really going into these ritual caves 2268 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:43.199 and he's really like doing this. He's really like the 2269 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.359 kind of the last practical filmmaker and stuff. So he 2270 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:50.640 recreated the atomic bomb Trinity explosion. He didn't use a 2271 01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:52.800 real nuke obviously, but like as close as you possibly 2272 01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:56.760 get to that, And there's a famous, like official kind 2273 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.159 of AI depiction, Like there was no behind the scenes shots, 2274 01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:00.760 so it was he didn't reveal how he did this. 2275 01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:04.239 This is like people were trying to get catch glimpses 2276 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:06.039 of the making of this dicta in the process nose 2277 01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:08.279 these one AI images that people were using. 2278 01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:13.039 There was as official as they could possibly get. 2279 01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:15.680 Of the of what he was doing behind the scenes. 2280 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.640 And remember the explosion at the center of it had 2281 01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:21.560 this weird tentacled creature kind of in the middle of 2282 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:22.359 the explosion. 2283 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:23.600 You know, remember that? 2284 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:24.640 Do you remember that? 2285 01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:27.079 Yes? And it's kind of unexplained, like there's no there's 2286 01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:30.239 no tentacled monster in the movie is a historical drama 2287 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:33.359 and and it's kind of the AI kind of just 2288 01:53:33.439 --> 01:53:38.560 included this tentacled of crafting and weird entity inside the 2289 01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.279 depiction of this Trinity explosion kind of, uh, does it 2290 01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:43.239 know something? Does no? Essentially what you just said, does 2291 01:53:43.239 --> 01:53:45.840 it no? Kind of the the reasoning behind all this stuff. 2292 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:49.159 And you find this in everything the New Alien series 2293 01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:52.640 have got the tentical, strange, tentical monster. It's in like 2294 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.479 any kind of science fiction horror, any kind of B 2295 01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:02.479 movie to to top Hollywood film. It's everywhare just to. 2296 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.079 Include amazings as we can possibly get. 2297 01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:06.319 Just we mentioned that Mike, the main character is Strange 2298 01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:09.359 of Things, is one of the main characters of h 2299 01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:11.600 Part one that came out in twenty seventeen, which is 2300 01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:16.079 very similar themes penny Wise season the same same motivation, 2301 01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:19.239 the same ability, the same kind of archetypical character of Vecna. 2302 01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:23.920 But then were these kind of strange casting choices in Connections. 2303 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.520 The big guest director of season five was Frank Darbaud, 2304 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.359 who came in to be like, I want to come in. 2305 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:31.439 I love the show, I want to come in and 2306 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:33.319 direct one. And he's one of the most famous Stephen 2307 01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:36.119 King directors, directing Shaw Shank and The Green Mile and 2308 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:36.880 all this stuff. 2309 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:37.520 But he also. 2310 01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:41.000 Famously directed the movie The Mist, which is about the 2311 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:45.680 government opening portals to and dealing with technical monsters coming 2312 01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:49.359 in and destroying stuff. And then there's a Percy Jackson 2313 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:52.439 in the Chrissy Jackson's Disney Plus show that had his 2314 01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:56.560 season premiere season two. Our season the finale yesterday. I 2315 01:54:56.680 --> 01:54:58.920 think in the entire through line between the I've only 2316 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:01.399 watched the first season through line between both seasons that 2317 01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:04.479 Kronos is whispering to these demigods to get them to 2318 01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:07.239 open tarr reforms. Sam the same kept tip of themes. 2319 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:11.159 And then just Nel Fisher who played Hawley. She also 2320 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:13.199 was an Evil Dead Rise. That's her only other like 2321 01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:15.560 big role. And it's just the plot of Evil Dead Rise. 2322 01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:18.279 The goal in Evil of the Evil Evil Dead Rise 2323 01:55:18.359 --> 01:55:21.119 is to possess incorrupt individuals, turning him into dead. It's 2324 01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:24.680 evil violent versions of themselves. The Kendarian demon, the Malevlan 2325 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.800 force behind the Possession aims to spread its darkness in destruction, 2326 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.600 using vulnerable people as hosts our vessels, which is exactly 2327 01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.920 penny Wise and stuff. It's actually it's exactly this comisots 2328 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:37.279 it from Meriklin time trying to spread It's the mind 2329 01:55:37.359 --> 01:55:39.720 flair and stuff. And the possession is up in German 2330 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.039 by exploiting the host deepest fears, traumas and vulnerabilities. And 2331 01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:46.159 the main character is Ellie, which is another kind of 2332 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:47.239 L eleven. 2333 01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:49.159 L and what is and what is that too? I 2334 01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:51.560 forgot to mention that l as an e low hymn 2335 01:55:52.199 --> 01:55:56.039 l as in the Hebrew Semitic name of god Angel 2336 01:55:56.439 --> 01:55:58.760 Enoki and Angel Lake

Magic, et cetera. 2337 01:55:59.359 --> 01:55:59.720 Exactly. 2338 01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:02.720 Yeah, So that Ellie her daughter is a nel Fisher 2339 01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:07.199 Hawley and it's just like the Maker. And then the 2340 01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:10.159 actress who played Ellie in Evil Did Rise is to 2341 01:56:10.279 --> 01:56:13.000 play as the main character of the missed TV show 2342 01:56:13.479 --> 01:56:15.439 into another thing, which is there's a weird tapestry. 2343 01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:18.039 It's so crazy and stuff. 2344 01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:21.159 But thought, that's I really wanted to include. 2345 01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:24.319 But I've got one. I've got one more for you 2346 01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:30.399 and then we'll say goodbyes. So Vecna is taking people's eyes. Right, 2347 01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:33.159 if you've seen the show, obviously, you know that that's 2348 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:36.000 one of the main central themes, that the bones are broken, 2349 01:56:36.079 --> 01:56:38.039 the life strained out of the body when he opens 2350 01:56:38.079 --> 01:56:40.359 these gates by killing these kids, and then he takes 2351 01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:45.399 their eyes. And that theme is present in several other 2352 01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:50.079 movies and stories, two of which are Tim Burton films. 2353 01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:54.000 One includes Carline, where the girl goes into the upside 2354 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.880 down type world similar to Pan's Labyrinth. She goes through 2355 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:01.239 a gate and she interacts with the Bedlam or the 2356 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:06.119 other Mother, which is this pale faced demon that takes 2357 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:10.159 the eyes of children and replaces them with buttons. And 2358 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:13.399 then you have the monsters and Miss Peregrine's Home for 2359 01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:16.399 a Peculiar Children another I think it's another Tim Burton 2360 01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:19.560 and I think it's adapted also from an older film 2361 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:22.399 in a book too. But the monsters in this that 2362 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:26.359 are coming after these gifted children who have these special powers. 2363 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:30.359 The monsters are called hollow gust or hollow Gasta or 2364 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:35.920 just hollows, and they feed on souls by taking the 2365 01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:39.439 eyes of children, because the eyes are the gateway to 2366 01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:43.119 the soul. Taking the eyes of children and they feed 2367 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:47.159 on those eyes. And these are again gifted children. 2368 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:50.760 And Tim Burton or We're on a rider famously into 2369 01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:52.920 Tim Burton movie verses the hands and then. 2370 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:57.560 Obviously, oh yeah, of course, and then. 2371 01:57:57.520 --> 01:58:00.239 She's the only in Beatle

Juice, he is only seen 2372 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:05.560 by the deceased, like Alec Baldwin and and Geena Davis 2373 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:08.319 are dead, but the only human, the only living person 2374 01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:09.720 is has been on a writer. 2375 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:13.079 The child who can see Beatle Juice. She's she's the 2376 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:16.520 gate she's the connective tissue. She's the conduit between the 2377 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:19.239 dead and the living. Both sides of the realm and 2378 01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:21.319 stuff that went not a writer again, and. 2379 01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:25.159 Don't forget Linda Linda Hamilton. You mentioned Linda Hamilton. 2380 01:58:25.720 --> 01:58:29.279 Terminator Hi back into It and time travel, time travel. Yeah. 2381 01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:31.840 Oh and then of course, uh I actually I love 2382 01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:35.560 this the Sean Aston's character, the guy that played Sam Wise, 2383 01:58:37.319 --> 01:58:41.359 I played Bob Bob the Brain and of course talk 2384 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:44.479 about the all sen I and the incredible story that 2385 01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:46.039 Lord of the Rings is Lord of the Rings is 2386 01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:47.319 of course Saturn. 2387 01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:50.920 It's there's too many synchronicities piling up and the tapestry 2388 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:54.079 is too woven too like tightly woven to be anything 2389 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:59.600 but but like synchronicity, it's not stranger. 2390 01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:03.119 Thanks, thank you for coming on, Derek, Thank. 2391 01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:04.199 You brother, Thank you for having me. Thank you for 2392 01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:06.319 having me on ground zero too. It's a blessed Yeah. 2393 01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:07.920 Of course, if you haven't listened to the ground zero 2394 01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.960 show we did, it is in our archive TST Radio 2395 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:14.000 dot info. You can listen to it for free. There 2396 01:59:14.039 --> 01:59:16.520 are ads in it, of course, ground zero plus dot com. 2397 01:59:16.680 --> 01:59:19.760 If you're a subscriber, there two different subscriptions. If you 2398 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:22.159 subscribe to TST Radio ed info, you get access to 2399 01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:24.760 all of our past shows no advertisements. You can find 2400 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:27.239 my books there as well. Buy those books. Support the show, 2401 01:59:27.840 --> 01:59:30.119 keep us independent and allow us to do shows like 2402 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.399 you just heard. Thank you so much, Derek, have a 2403 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:36.359 good night. Thank you, reial O kay bye bye. Alreadigable 2404 01:59:36.359 --> 01:59:39.000 at yahoo dot com if you want to reach out 2405 01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:42.520 to me, thank you so much for tuning in tonight again. 2406 01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:46.000 I'm Ryan Gable. Derek Murphy our guest tonight Stranger Sinks. 2407 01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:50.640 Hope you enjoyed the show. Stay safe, stay informed, stay healthy. 2408 01:59:50.680 --> 01:59:54.039 I will talk to you on the next broadcast. 2409 01:59:55.359 --> 01:59:55.720 Very good.