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Being maybe– I don't know if you want to call
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it neurotic or obsessive or just disciplined but like to
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know that there are just tons of men and women
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behind me that didn't get their opportunity yet or would
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kill to have my opportunity and they are hungry. I
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can't not– that fuels me. I can't not be hungry
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and I can't not be– I can never lose– what
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it was that helped me get to this point and
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is still helping me succeed. And if you rest on
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those things, there's someone waiting to take your place.
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Are leaders born or are they made? Our host, Ryan Hawke,
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to the Learning Leader Show. I am Ryan Hawk, so
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excited for tonight's featured leader. It's with the incredibly funny
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and super intelligent Sal Volcano. Sal is a member of
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the comedy trope known as the Tenderloins, who are the creators,
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executive producers, writers, and stars of the hit TV show
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Impractical Jokers, found on TruTV. They have over 100 episodes
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and are currently in their fifth season. They also take
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their show on the road and they tour doing live
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shows worldwide. I love this conversation once again with Sal.
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I came away being inspired by the fact that it's
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so evident that he absolutely loves what he does on
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a with comedy he fully understands the history the people
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that have come before him the others that he respects
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and that that type
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of behavior and that attitude is
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inspiring to me a couple other things we got into
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idea generation how they come up with ideas for their
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sketches for the bits as well as their writing process
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what does it look like i wanted sal to take
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me inside The planning, the process, who's writing, who does
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the bulk of it. Do they have a bigger team?
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Everything that went there and Sal literally laid it all
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out for me. And then the growth of the show
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over the course of five seasons, they had a much
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leaner startup initially when they started this. program years ago
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to where they are today and how much it's grown
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and everyone that's currently involved. I was blown away by
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this part of our conversation. There's so much here in
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this episode. We went pretty long on this one. That's
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only because it was so good. I know you guys
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are going to love it. It's Sal Volcano. Sal, so
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excited to have you here, man. I've been wanting to
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do this one for quite some time. So it's really
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cool for us to be able to reconnect. But I
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got a quick question to get us rolling. And that's
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around people who have sustained excellence and specifically in your
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line of work, comedians. And I'm curious from your point
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of view and just your opinion. You've spent time around
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other comedians. You're obviously a very successful one yourself and
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you talk to others. What are some of the common
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characteristics you would find in world-class or extremely successful comedians?
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Well, first, I would say a world-class and extremely successful
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comedian is– I don't necessarily identify– I mean I'm a comedian.
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But when you say that, I feel like super famous
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comedians that have stood the test of time and all
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that stuff. I appreciate you asking me in that way.
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But I can identify with what I think it took
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for me to get to where I am.
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Probably like other comedians. I mean I
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and foremost there's got to be a passion for it.
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Almost like you want to be a student of it.
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And since I'm a little kid and I really– I
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mean I can really recall like since I'm like probably
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like six– seven. I loved comedy. I love to make
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people laugh. I would put on shows for my families
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on the holidays. I would do characters, I would do bits,
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and I would love to listen to comedy. I just,
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it's just something that clicked with me right away. And,
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you know, as you get older, you start to understand
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more of why you appreciate it. And I approach comedy
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in a way like almost like And that doesn't sound
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like fun, but it is to me. I'm completely obsessed
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with it. And I could listen or watch stand-up comedy.
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I mean literally nonstop. You know how people are like, oh,
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if I'm on a deserted island, I could– and you
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have to bring one food. It's pizza or whatever it is.
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Like I can listen without getting tired. I can listen
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to stand-up comedy 24-7, 365, every single day. Good and bad,
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I can learn from both of it. And I always
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am fascinated with why something is funny and what can
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make it funnier.
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That's another thing when you start performing and you start
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to grow as a comedian, you're learning how to edit
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your jokes down and whittle them down to the funniest moments,
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funniest parts and trim all the fat. And you start
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to understand why something works and how and you can
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deconstruct it. And like some– not everyone's approach is the same.
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Like that's mine. I mean I hope I'm also naturally funny.
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Like there's things that you can't teach naturally. But you
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can't teach someone to be naturally funny. You can't teach
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them to have a passion or an interest in that
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respect for it. And, you know, if you commit to
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something that you feel that way about for a long
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enough time, you know, things happen, things change, you know,
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your understanding and your ability changes. And if you're practicing
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it as well, you know, you're just getting better and
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better and creating opportunity.
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You have to immerse yourself in it.
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And I think just like anything else, if you're going
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to be completely successful or that's your goal, to be
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completely successful in a certain area or field, you have
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to completely immerse yourself in it. You have to live
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it and breathe it. And it's not a job. I
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mean a lot of these things are a little bit
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cliche but that's just because they're true. It's not a
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job to me at all. It's like what I want
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to do. Like I did it for like 20 years
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before I earned $ 1.
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Yeah. I would say that's really important.
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And then to just have discipline is another thing because
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there are probably tens of thousands of comedians and we
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probably only know, the public probably.
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Only knows of a couple of hundred. You know what
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I mean?
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It's just like, And there's no difference necessarily between someone
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you do and don't know. There's probably amazing comedians out
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there that you and I haven't heard of. And they're
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doing their thing and they're getting themselves right. And when
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their opportunity comes, we'll be introduced to them. But for me,
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also success in comedy, yes, it's defined as are you
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making your living from it? That's how you define something
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as a professional comedian. But For me, success in comedy
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is are you enjoying yourself?
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Are you getting better? Are you making people laugh? You
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know what I mean?
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And if you're achieving those things, you're a comedian. I
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don't care if you're getting a check for it or not.
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I give credit to anyone who is getting up on
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stage all the time or writing and performing and achieving
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those things.
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Like if you can achieve all of those things and
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not money I still think there's success there because if
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the money went away for me and the the actual
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monetary opportunities went away I'd still do it and still
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be fulfilled from it because I'm not doing it for
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the money um Just happened to be so very fortunate
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that after a long enough time, something clicked for me
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and I was able to seize an opportunity and basically
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just got lucky and now I can make a living
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off of it. But I always feel like if you
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don't use it, you lose it too. So like– and
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I mean being maybe– I don't know if you want
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to call it neurotic or obsessive or just disciplined. But
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like to know that there are just tons of men
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and women behind me that didn't get their opportunity yet–
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or would kill to have my opportunity, and they are hungry,
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I can't not, that fuels me. I can't not be hungry.
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And I can't not be, I can never lose what
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it was that helped me get to this point and
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is still helping me succeed. And if you rest on
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those things, there's someone waiting to take your place. And
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I just think that– I don't normally say these things
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out loud. But if you– a little bit of retrospection,
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you kind of– it just– I think that's common now
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that I'm saying it. Probably in any single field, in
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any job or any hobby or– I mean not hobby
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but passion. And I guess that's what got us here.
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For us, it's a little bit even tougher because we
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were doing it by committee I think. And everyone has
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their own lives and your priorities change and your discipline wanes.
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There's four people, so you can't always all be on
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the same page at the same time. I do– we
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all do our own solo stuff too. But it's– for me,
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I honestly– I give– I do give– I will say
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I will give us credit too because– you know, it's
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four minds coming together. A lot of times it's comedy
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by democracy or committee or.
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Whatever it is.
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There's a lot of, you have to sometimes fight for
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a joke or explain to someone why all of our
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contributed efforts should go towards something. And then, you know,
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you've got to, If I have a fight with Murr
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or someone has an attitude because he's got things on
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his mind from his own home life or family, you're
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not just dealing with yourself. So to take that road
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with these guys through all of that too was another challenge.
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And I think that we've done okay with it. We
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were always learning and trying. But yeah, I'm kind of
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rambling now.
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It's all good, man. I hope that kind of like– Well,
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I love it because it– You mentioned it a little
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bit ago, but it has so much applicability to a
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lot of other really impressive leaders that I've spoken to
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on this podcast over almost 100 of them now. And
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the talk of being passionate about what you do. And you,
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I can tell, have a borderline or you maybe are
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just obsessed with it. And you want to be great
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at it. And I love that aspect of you. And
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it shows in the work that you put into it.
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Because a lot of people say, oh, there's these overnight successes.
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And usually an overnight success, it's been in the works
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for 15, 20 years, like it is in your case.
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And I wanted to tell a quick story, Sal, about
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how we met in person. So, I don't know, it
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was about a year ago or maybe, yeah, around a
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year ago. And sometimes I am fortunate enough to need
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to play the sidekick role, wingman, to my brother, AJ,
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if he gets to go to these cool events. And
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we happened to get invited, or he got invited to
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this golf event in Las Vegas. Very fun event, really nice.
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And the last day of this golf tournament, this charity
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golf tournament, the organizers of it say, hey, your group
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is going to be Sal and Joe from Impractical Jokers
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and Norm MacDonald. And AJ's like, wow, what a group.
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And so we show up to the first tee, and
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for some probably not that surprising– For people to hear,
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Norm does not show up. So Norm's clubs are on
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the cart. And I ended up taking his place and
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playing with you, Sal, and Joe, and AJ. And it
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was one of the most enjoyable, funniest rounds of golf
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of my life. And so throughout that time, you know,
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I had, you know, and I think I mentioned this
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to you when we were in person. I had not
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been a guy who watched every single episode. I had
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seen it. I had heard of it. But I didn't
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know a ton about you guys. But it was so
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cool to be able to see and meet you guys
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and hear about, I could just tell, and AJ and
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I talked about this on the flight home, I remember,
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just how grateful you guys were for the opportunity that
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you had, that you got to do what you love
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and get paid for it. And almost you have like this,
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you're truly humble in the fact that you say, you're
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surprised almost that people love it so much. And that
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shows like what it really means to be humble. And like,
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you're so appreciative of the fact that people love what
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you guys do. And I love that fact when that
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quality in somebody, when they've achieved levels of fame and success,
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because unfortunately it's rare at times to find that from
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people where they've achieved these big levels, but they still,
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when you meet them, they're so down to earth. so
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grateful for the fans. And I, I found that it
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was just striking in both of you guys throughout that
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whole round of golf that we were fortunate enough to
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play together.
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Thank you. Yeah. I mean, you, you, you know, I
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still feel that way. You know, we still feel that way.
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Uh, I always just say, I'm just happy to be here.
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I can't, I can't even believe the way people respond.
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You can never anticipate anything like that. And it has been,
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I guess an experience that is, is even hard to
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describe in words for us, But the golf tournament– just go.
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I'll go back to that. Like we got invited to
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that and we like couldn't believe it. Like see, we
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work– it was like a charity golf event and they
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asked us to come and they said it was like
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a celebrity charity golf event. And what it was was
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like people would be paired up with athletes and celebrities
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and this and that to golf and stuff. And like
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they kind of were asking us to go and I
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guess be celebrities that people golfed with.
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But we don't really golf.
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dozen times in my life but not to be– not
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to feel comfortable going to this thing.
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So they said, oh, don't worry. Just come and hang out.
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You don't even have to golf.
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you guys are golfing with blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And we were like, what? And then– but they teamed
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us up with like– High Rollers, the first couple of days, right?
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Yeah, they teamed us up with athletes and celebrities. And
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we're like, holy crap, this is great. We're not the celebrities.
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Oh, the first couple of days? I don't remember that. Really?
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Yeah, we got teamed up with Marcus Allen. Oh, okay.
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And then we were supposed to be teamed up, like
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I said, with Norm MacDonald and then your bro and stuff.
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And we were like, this is so amazing. Because they
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just threw us on. So we got to feel like
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we were... Like we weren't the people that anyone cared about,
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which is great. Like we got to experience it the
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way that like, you know, I got to meet your
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brother and hang.
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Out with you guys. It was like just so, so much,
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so much fun.
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Yeah.
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We couldn't believe we get invited to stuff like that.
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You know what I mean?
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Like.
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The other opportunities that the show has afforded us have
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been so cool. Like, you know, like you, like you mentioned, we,
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it was such a fun day. I still talk to
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your brother.
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Um, like, like, you know, it was just really, really neat, man.
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It was like, and you know, it's again in April
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where we're trying to get there again. Hope you guys
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can make it.
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Uh, yeah, we just talked about it. I saw the invite.
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He's like, what do you think? I was like, I,
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you know, the scheduling might be a little tougher this year,
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but it would be a fun thing to be able
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to go to and see you guys again. But I
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want to get back now to, to your story, Sal,
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and how you guys got going. So for the, I
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haven't mentioned it yet. It's, it's, you know, 13, 14
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minutes in to say for the people who maybe haven't
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seen your show called impractical jokers on true TV, you know,
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millions of people watch it. You guys have well over
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a hundred episodes now. How, where do you, what are
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you guys at now? As far as the show?
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Yeah, well, the new season, which is season five, starts
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in about two weeks. It starts on February 11th. And
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I think right now we probably have somewhere around 106.
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Or 107 episodes in the can. Wow.
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And now this season we'll be doing, including specials, we'll
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be doing at least another 30, I think, episodes.
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Wow.
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It's just incredible, the success and the longevity of it.
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And I know the 100 is a magic number for
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you guys, too, that could lead to other lucrative things.
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But I want to hear about, first of all, how
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you guys– like I said, for the ones who haven't,
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can you describe what the show is to you guys?
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If you were going to define what Impractical Jokers is,
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how would you do that?
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Okay.
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So, yeah.
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So I guess in the broadest sense of the word,
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it's a hidden camera show. Mm-hmm. And the way– it's
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basically our take on a hidden camera show. It's me
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and three of my friends who I've– we met as
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freshmen in high school, which for us is 1990. So
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we've been friends 26 years now. Wow.
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And we've been performing together like since high school and
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then like official, official since right after college. So like
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16 years on the stage. And what we did was
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we took a hidden camera show and we each compete
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against each other in awkward social situations.
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Wow.
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Tough situations. We try to like embarrass each other and
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throw each other under the bus and stuff in varying
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degrees of social situations. And we see who does the
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best and the worst and whoever does the worst, at
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the end of the episode, they get punished.
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And that fate is.
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Even worse than you can imagine. So for me, it's
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basically a comedy show about friends at its core. But
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I guess it's a hidden camera show. And I mean,
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we get lumped into reality and the prank word a
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But really like we're not really pranking per se people
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in a traditional sense of a prank show. It's kind
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of like really going out and competing with each other.
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And like the public that are in the show that
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don't know they're on the show, they're like there to react.
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And it's like collateral, like collateral embarrassment. So it's a
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little bit of a tweak or a twist on a
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traditional show like that.
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And I think really though the secret.
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Sauce to the show is our friendship because we're Like
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I said, we've known each
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what I gather, and that was our intention, it really
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comes across like we know each other's entire lives and families.
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And you can't fake a knowledge of people like that.
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So I think people identify with us because everybody has
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their tight-knit group of friends.
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That they've been with since high school or college that
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they really know well and they know how to push
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each other's buttons and they enjoy each other's company. And
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we also keep it relatable.
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So a lot of times we get compared to like
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Jackass because those guys are really friends too. But I
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think that's where that similarity ends because I think those
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guys are, in the best possible way, crazy. And they
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do crazy stunts. But we try to keep our show
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more relatable and just make it about little moments with people.
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And so what we wanted was for people to be
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able to be like, oh, I did that with my friends,
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or let's try that, or we'll do this with our family.
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And that's what happened. We can't believe it, but that
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is what happened.
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So a lot of times the feedback we'll get is,
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We identify with you specifically or we identify with your
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friendship or we identify with the time that you ate
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off someone's plate.
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You know what I mean? But yeah, I think that's
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why it kind of struck a chord with people because
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it's kind of real and honest and stuff.
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How many groups of friends though do something to where
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there's a potential to get? A picture of Jaden Smith
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tattooed on their leg.
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I hope a lot, but I don't know.
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So when we were in Vegas, I had not seen
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that episode. And I know– but we were– I forget.
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We went up to one of those holes, and they're
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all sponsored by some type of liquor or whatever. And
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one of the girls says, is that real? Did you
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really do that? And you're like, yeah. You pull up
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your pant leg, I remember, and show. And I'm like– wait,
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are you kidding me? And that led to a whole
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other conversation. So talk to me about why you got
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Jaden Smith's face tattooed on your leg.
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Um, yeah, I didn't want it, you know, on the show,
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like I said, we compete. And then if you lose you, um, so,
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so during the show.
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If there's something that like the guys want to make
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you do that, you don't feel comfortable enough doing, or
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you don't think you can pull off, you would say,
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I'm not doing that. And we find humor in that too,
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because it's funny when someone can't bring themselves to do something.
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The only bad part about that is if you do
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that enough times in the show, if you do it
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the most, you're the one getting punished. Now the rule
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is that for the punishment, you don't know what the
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punishment is going to be and you cannot back out
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of it no matter what.
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So that gives us a little motivation during the show
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to try and go as much as we can with it.
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But in this particular instance– There's four of us, Joe,
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James and Brian and myself. And in this episode, James,
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who goes by Murr and Brian, who goes by Q,
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Murr and Q and I all lost. Actually, we all
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said no the same amount of times. And Joe was
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the only winner.
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And he, he decided for this episode's punishment, he was
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going to take us to a tattoo parlor and he
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was going to get to pick what was tattooed on us.
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And we weren't allowed to look at the tattoo until
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it was done. And, uh, Q loves cats. He has
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three of them. And so Joe gave him a tattoo
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of a cat and around it it said, I'm 38,
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I live alone, and I have three cats.
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He was like going to turn 39 in a couple
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months later. Yeah.
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You know what's funny is like all
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things will eventually be incorrect.
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Right, right.
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But Q loves it because he loves cats. He kind
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of celebrates it a little even though it's kind of tacky. Murray,
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he looks like a ferret.
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He does look like a ferret. And in one of
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the episodes when he got punished, we threw him out
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of a plane and he cried the whole way. He
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screamed and cried the whole way down, which is terrifying,
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but it was funny. And so Joe, on him, put
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a ferret skydiving and crying, which I guess is bad
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for But at least it has something to do with Murray.
483
00:24:51.849 --> 00:24:54.650
He looks like a ferret. It's the exact same picture
484
00:24:54.690 --> 00:24:56.769
from the show, a freeze frame of him skydiving. So
485
00:24:56.809 --> 00:24:57.950
it is contextual.
486
00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:58.930
Yeah, there's a story there.
487
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:00.140
Yeah.
488
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:01.779
Well, I guess there's a story for you too, but
489
00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:02.799
it's a little bit different.
490
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:05.920
Well, the story for me is absolutely nothing. I was
491
00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:08.900
in the chair the longest because mine had the most detail.
492
00:25:08.980 --> 00:25:10.220
And I was in that chair for three and a
493
00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.869
half hours. I have other tattoos. None of them hurt
494
00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:16.670
this bad. Once you pass a certain amount of time–
495
00:25:17.170 --> 00:25:19.990
the nerves in your body really start to tense up.
496
00:25:20.069 --> 00:25:22.799
It was very painful. I was sweating. My back was
497
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:23.470
tightened up.
498
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:26.140
Three and a half hours, the whole time I'm wondering
499
00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:29.299
what is going to be on my leg because I
500
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:34.140
watched the other guys finish. I had a lot of
501
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.289
ideas of what it could be, but none of them
502
00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:40.930
were what it was, which was a very real, accurate
503
00:25:41.430 --> 00:25:46.160
portrait of Will Smith's son, Jaden Smith. on my thigh
504
00:25:46.339 --> 00:25:48.960
about like, like the size of my frigging hand.
505
00:25:49.059 --> 00:25:49.279
Yeah.
506
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:51.960
It has nothing to do with me at all. It
507
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.289
has absolutely no connection to me at all. Like I
508
00:25:56.329 --> 00:25:58.670
tell this joke on stage, but I had never even
509
00:25:58.769 --> 00:26:01.210
said the words Jaden Smith out of my mouth in
510
00:26:01.210 --> 00:26:03.670
39 years before I looked down, look back up and said,
511
00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:07.980
is that Jaden Smith? And I guess that was the
512
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.640
genius of it or the, you know, what was funny
513
00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:13.029
about it. Uh, other than the fact that I'm a
514
00:26:13.049 --> 00:26:17.569
39-year-old man with a 15-year-old boy tattooed on my leg.
515
00:26:18.470 --> 00:26:20.750
And, you know, some people think he went too far.
516
00:26:20.769 --> 00:26:21.369
I do.
517
00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:26.450
I'm one of them. But I understand, you know, we're also....
518
00:26:27.490 --> 00:26:29.349
We also deal in comedy, and we're trying to make
519
00:26:29.390 --> 00:26:32.779
the funniest show possible, and we sacrifice for the show.
520
00:26:32.890 --> 00:26:35.279
And so when I, on camera, when it was revealed
521
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:38.880
to me, I had, like, an overwhelming mix of emotions.
522
00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:40.660
One being.
523
00:26:41.710 --> 00:26:45.269
I was super angry because it was so– I thought
524
00:26:45.289 --> 00:26:47.549
it was so messed up because he– that's another– I
525
00:26:47.569 --> 00:26:49.109
guess that's one of the reasons why it was funny
526
00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:50.930
too is like he didn't go that hard on the
527
00:26:50.950 --> 00:26:51.609
other guys.
528
00:26:52.309 --> 00:26:53.859
And there was no reason for me to get the
529
00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:54.460
worst of it.
530
00:26:54.490 --> 00:26:55.380
We all lost.
531
00:26:55.950 --> 00:26:58.200
But so I was angry because of that and then
532
00:26:58.220 --> 00:27:00.160
I was also angry because for the rest of my life,
533
00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:03.440
I'll have this on me. But I was also like–
534
00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:05.950
I had to tip my cap because it was like
535
00:27:06.630 --> 00:27:08.170
so genius that he did that to me.
536
00:27:08.190 --> 00:27:10.849
You know what I mean? So, you know, I get it.
537
00:27:11.029 --> 00:27:11.410
I get it.
538
00:27:11.450 --> 00:27:13.109
Have you talked to Jaden or Will Smith?
539
00:27:14.069 --> 00:27:16.509
I actually, we do a whole bit on stage about this.
540
00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:21.079
I actually, two weeks after we got the tattoos, and
541
00:27:21.099 --> 00:27:23.900
I even tell people mine was not even fully healed yet.
542
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.900
I still have the scab over it. We were performing
543
00:27:27.019 --> 00:27:30.569
at the San Diego Comic Book Convention yesterday. And I
544
00:27:30.769 --> 00:27:34.660
ran into Jaden Smith by chance. Really? Just two weeks
545
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.920
after I got this thing. And I showed it to him.
546
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.470
And he freaked out. It was risky to show it
547
00:27:41.490 --> 00:27:41.730
to him.
548
00:27:41.789 --> 00:27:44.089
The reason was that the episode didn't air yet. And
549
00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:46.470
if he had
some type of adverse reaction to it
550
00:27:46.509 --> 00:27:48.509
being on my leg and was like, that's not funny, blah, blah, blah,
551
00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:51.809
he might have been like, if you put that on TV,
552
00:27:51.869 --> 00:27:52.809
I'll sue you or something.
553
00:27:52.829 --> 00:27:53.190
I don't know.
554
00:27:53.549 --> 00:27:56.450
I really don't know how it works. Maybe he couldn't
555
00:27:56.470 --> 00:27:59.190
because he's a public figure. I don't know. But we
556
00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:01.410
took a risk showing him because if he didn't like
557
00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:04.930
it and then for some reason True got scared and
558
00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:07.430
didn't air it, then I got a tattoo.
559
00:28:07.029 --> 00:28:08.460
Of Jaden Smith for no reason at all.
560
00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:09.339
Or even worse.
561
00:28:10.029 --> 00:28:12.670
But he was really cool about it, actually. He laughed
562
00:28:12.710 --> 00:28:14.730
and liked it and took pictures with it and stuff.
563
00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:16.490
Is he a fan of the show?
564
00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:20.279
He had no idea what the show was. Okay. Wow.
565
00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:23.359
So he just saw a middle-aged man come up to
566
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.339
him and just be like, I have a tattoo.
567
00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:28.279
I mean, there's more to the story. I tell it
568
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.599
on stage. But it was surreal. I have pictures of
569
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.940
him with his face up to it, giving the thumbs up.
570
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.240
But you know like– so the dust settles from that, right?
571
00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:42.359
Like everything goes away. But then now like for instance,
572
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.420
I'm home in my house right now and I'm sitting
573
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:45.000
here and I have a.
574
00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.000
Jaden Smith tattoo.
575
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.799
Like this state– I forget every day and then like
576
00:28:49.819 --> 00:28:51.109
I go to get in the shower and I like
577
00:28:51.140 --> 00:28:51.740
see it in the mirror.
578
00:28:51.769 --> 00:28:55.049
I'm like, oh my god. You know what I mean?
579
00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:57.970
I have to like– my future wife doesn't know I
580
00:28:58.009 --> 00:28:58.990
have this. You know what I mean?
581
00:28:59.009 --> 00:29:01.150
Like I have to like– I also have to choose
582
00:29:01.190 --> 00:29:02.569
like there's going to be a time where I have
583
00:29:02.589 --> 00:29:03.470
to tell someone.
584
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:06.599
I hope you don't mind, but I have a tattoo
585
00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:08.240
of Will Smith's son on my body that's going to
586
00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:08.859
be there for life.
587
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:14.440
I love it. I love the dedication to doing a
588
00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:16.359
great show and the fact that you guys will permanently
589
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.319
ink something
that one of your buddies is allowed to
590
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.069
pick and to try to make it as embarrassing as
591
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.450
possible and it's there for life.
592
00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:26.569
People would say, do you still have it? Was it real?
593
00:29:26.630 --> 00:29:29.470
Are you getting it covered up now? And I tell them, no,
594
00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:32.289
I'm going to keep it. That was the deal. So
595
00:29:32.309 --> 00:29:35.130
I'm not getting it covered up. So it is what
596
00:29:35.250 --> 00:29:35.509
it is.
597
00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:38.380
You mentioned that you, you, you tell some of these, um,
598
00:29:38.859 --> 00:29:41.519
on stage. So in addition to doing the TV show,
599
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.480
you guys do comedy as I think both a group
600
00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:46.430
and on your own, correct? You go, you tour on the,
601
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.359
I was looking at your tour dates and, and you
602
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:51.309
go all over the world really from what I've seen,
603
00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:54.730
at least overseas to talk to me about the difference
604
00:29:54.829 --> 00:29:58.670
between what you do on stage versus what you guys
605
00:29:58.730 --> 00:29:59.630
do on TV.
606
00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:04.720
Yeah, I mean, there's some connective tissue, but for the
607
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.339
most part, the live performance is a totally different beast
608
00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:11.299
than taping the show. It's different prep work. It's different execution.
609
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.589
Like I mentioned, the guys and I, we met in
610
00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:16.930
high school, and we did improv together in high school.
611
00:30:17.069 --> 00:30:18.750
And then when we all got back from college, we
612
00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.089
formed an improv troupe called The Tenderloins. The Tenderloins is
613
00:30:22.109 --> 00:30:24.509
the name of the four of us basically outside of
614
00:30:24.549 --> 00:30:25.210
Impractical Jokers.
615
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.509
It's been our identity for 16.
616
00:30:26.970 --> 00:30:30.579
Years and people know us as the Jokers but our
617
00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:51.549
identity otherwise is the Tenderloins. we're not going to stop
618
00:30:51.569 --> 00:30:53.609
being comedians and we're not going to stop being the Tenderloins.
619
00:30:53.650 --> 00:30:56.490
So we do try and integrate that and we do
620
00:30:56.509 --> 00:30:59.230
a lot of work to brand ourselves in that way.
621
00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:02.329
So we can be an entity above the show.
622
00:31:02.730 --> 00:31:04.450
And one of those things that we do is we
623
00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:08.150
tour and we tour live and we do basically our
624
00:31:08.230 --> 00:31:11.190
version of stand-up comedy, I guess you'd call it. And
625
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:13.299
that's what we were doing for 16 years before that.
626
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.539
We started off doing improv comedy, then we moved to
627
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:18.880
sketch comedy, which I guess I can liken to– saturday
628
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.160
night live if people don't know what that is uh
629
00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:23.960
sketch so yeah so it's it's like our version of
630
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:26.099
stand-up comedy the four of us are on stage at
631
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:31.670
the same time with mics and we tell stories and
632
00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:34.990
jokes and do stuff with the audience we show videos
633
00:31:35.089 --> 00:31:38.250
and it's like a mixed multimedia like.
634
00:31:38.190 --> 00:31:41.170
Experience and you know we we there's something in it
635
00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:44.269
for everyone so basically the idea there is like the
636
00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:46.269
people who are fans of jokers come to see us
637
00:31:46.990 --> 00:31:48.380
um We.
638
00:31:48.259 --> 00:31:50.779
Give them– we know what they want to see and hear.
639
00:31:51.099 --> 00:31:54.119
We give them that and then we also give them
640
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.980
the Tenderloin stuff. So they come in as Joker's fans
641
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.869
and then they leave as fans of the Tenderloin.
642
00:31:59.890 --> 00:32:02.390
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's fun.
643
00:32:02.410 --> 00:32:07.170
I mean the show is– we'll do like 60 to
644
00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:09.869
90 minutes basically and we tour that all over the
645
00:32:09.910 --> 00:32:13.119
country to every market that we can. And that's kind
646
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:14.839
of how comedy works. When that's kind of run its
647
00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:16.200
course and you've done it for about a year and
648
00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:19.559
a half or so, I mean, if you can, if
649
00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:21.640
you have the means, you'll record an album and you'll
650
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:26.500
put that hour, hour and a half on an album,
651
00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:29.089
and then that'll live as that material. And then you
652
00:32:29.109 --> 00:32:31.450
write a new 60 to 90 minutes and you tour that.
653
00:32:32.029 --> 00:32:35.349
And we're at the point now, we're about 30. Three
654
00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:38.490
to four years into touring. We're coming to the end
655
00:32:38.529 --> 00:32:40.670
of our second show. We're going to be taping that
656
00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:44.539
in the next couple of months. Actually, this weekend, which
657
00:32:44.619 --> 00:32:47.680
is January. I don't know when this will go up, but...
658
00:32:48.210 --> 00:32:51.079
This weekend, coming out January 29th to the 31st, we're
659
00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:54.140
playing three nights at Radio City Music Hall in New
660
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:57.160
York City. If people are listening that don't necessarily know
661
00:32:57.180 --> 00:33:00.880
what that is, it's one of the most storied and
662
00:33:01.349 --> 00:33:05.950
respected and oldest venues
in New York City. And it's
663
00:33:05.970 --> 00:33:09.529
basically where the Rockettes do the Christmas show and whatnot.
664
00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:15.430
And it's an absolute, absolute dream come true, like lottery
665
00:33:15.509 --> 00:33:18.430
type of situation where you get to play something like this.
666
00:33:18.490 --> 00:33:21.599
So it will be the biggest shows of our entire career.
667
00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:27.279
And so we're basically running out this second iteration of
668
00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:30.440
our live show. And starting, I think, in two weeks,
669
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.420
we start writing what will be next year's show.
670
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.779
And so, yeah, so that's kind of how that works.
671
00:33:36.819 --> 00:33:39.380
So we work on the live stuff nearly as much
672
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:41.089
as we work on the show.
673
00:33:41.509 --> 00:33:43.589
What is your process like? So I think a lot
674
00:33:43.609 --> 00:33:45.509
of people listening are probably fans of the TV show
675
00:33:45.549 --> 00:33:49.470
or they've seen that rather than seeing you in person.
676
00:33:50.509 --> 00:33:55.240
And I'm curious because– People, I think, ask the question
677
00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:57.089
a lot, like, how do they come up with this stuff?
678
00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:59.829
Or how do they think up of all these ideas
679
00:33:59.950 --> 00:34:02.329
that become so funny when you see them on the show?
680
00:34:02.690 --> 00:34:05.509
So I love digging into the process of how things
681
00:34:05.569 --> 00:34:08.130
get created. So do you guys, the four of you
682
00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.289
sit in a room together? Are there more people involved
683
00:34:10.349 --> 00:34:13.449
now that it's a bigger show and probably... I'm guessing
684
00:34:13.489 --> 00:34:16.030
when you started it was more of a leaner type
685
00:34:16.070 --> 00:34:18.429
of a startup and now it's probably grown a little
686
00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:21.880
bit in size as far as production and people involved.
687
00:34:22.340 --> 00:34:23.840
How does that work? I'd love to hear about that.
688
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.940
Yeah, what you said was spot on. As the show grew,
689
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.210
so did our staff and the people who help us
690
00:34:30.250 --> 00:34:34.969
make the show and people's responsibilities and everything. And where
691
00:34:35.010 --> 00:34:37.889
we are now is completely different from when we started.
692
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.480
you know, we, we didn't know the show got picked
693
00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:42.639
up for eight episodes.
694
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.500
And then after they, before they ever even aired, after
695
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.800
they were done watching the rough cut of the first
696
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.300
four episodes, they ordered another eight.
697
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:51.989
So we knew they liked it.
698
00:34:52.550 --> 00:34:56.429
Um, in the beginning though, our entire staff was maybe
699
00:34:56.429 --> 00:35:00.949
15 people, which is, um, we've learned now is completely understaffed.
700
00:35:01.469 --> 00:35:04.409
But when we started, we were learning and we didn't
701
00:35:04.489 --> 00:35:04.880
know that.
702
00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:09.800
And, um, we had, um, like a director, um, And
703
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.599
we had like a couple of PAs and we had
704
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.119
a couple of editors.
705
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.139
And just us. And literally that was it. And so
706
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.760
the four of us wrote the entire first season alone.
707
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.400
Like every single idea, joke, we would even like get
708
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.519
on the phone and try to get locations. We were
709
00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:31.840
doing like things that we didn't realize we weren't supposed
710
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.039
to do. Well, I mean, we're executive producers as well.
711
00:35:34.059 --> 00:35:35.619
So we oversee the show as a whole.
712
00:35:35.929 --> 00:35:38.239
So I would say like, For me, I would say
713
00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:40.510
really no matter what I have to do for the show,
714
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:42.809
I feel that's my responsibility.
715
00:35:43.849 --> 00:35:46.090
But if we're just drilling down, like, you know, we
716
00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:48.510
were definitely understaffed. But it was cool. I mean, it
717
00:35:48.550 --> 00:35:51.550
was like, you know, trial by fire. It went well,
718
00:35:51.590 --> 00:35:53.349
knock on wood. You know, we were learning.
719
00:35:54.650 --> 00:35:57.489
You know, like, it's weird because we get put in
720
00:35:57.530 --> 00:36:00.280
a situation where we've not only never been in before,
721
00:36:00.820 --> 00:36:06.440
but we're the writers, we're the producers, you know, within the.
722
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.820
Compartmentalize within within the show itself we're the bosses of
723
00:36:12.860 --> 00:36:15.719
it we have bosses you know at the network and
724
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.619
and you know we work you know in in line
725
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.300
with the people that own the production company but it's
726
00:36:21.340 --> 00:36:23.539
just as far as like you know if we're drilling
727
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:26.489
down like we control the show so we're just thrust
728
00:36:26.550 --> 00:36:28.849
into this thing and you know there's a lot of
729
00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:30.110
money at stake it costs.
730
00:36:29.909 --> 00:36:31.409
A lot of money to make a show like that
731
00:36:31.449 --> 00:36:34.840
and So we just were like, all right, let's just
732
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.320
do it the only way we know how. And we
733
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.239
didn't know if we were doing it right or not.
734
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.199
We didn't even have an office.
735
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.639
We just would
sit on a couch in a room,
736
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.099
in this big room, and it was like the worst
737
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:49.619
setup in the world. I literally didn't have a desk
738
00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:52.949
and I didn't have– I just had my laptop on
739
00:36:52.989 --> 00:36:55.269
my knees and we would just sit around in a
740
00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:56.869
circle and talk and write stuff.
741
00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:00.650
It was so crazy compared to what it is now. Yeah.
742
00:37:01.750 --> 00:37:04.949
The following year, we expanded by, you know, I don't
743
00:37:04.969 --> 00:37:06.510
even know, maybe 10 or so people.
744
00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:09.010
We added two writers to write in tandem with us.
745
00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:12.389
The following year, we added another two writers and even
746
00:37:12.449 --> 00:37:16.090
more people. And then by last year, we actually moved
747
00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:19.789
into all new offices. And everyone has their own office.
748
00:37:19.809 --> 00:37:22.920
There's a writer's room. Now there's editors have their own room.
749
00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:24.760
All the teams have their own room. We have our
750
00:37:24.860 --> 00:37:28.019
office and we have dedicated time and space. And now
751
00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:31.639
our writing staff is like five other people besides us. And,
752
00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:35.429
and now the overall staff is probably like, geez, if
753
00:37:35.469 --> 00:37:38.130
I'm just guessing, I want to say like 40 plus
754
00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:38.869
people or more.
755
00:37:38.889 --> 00:37:42.150
Um, and it's like, you.
756
00:37:42.090 --> 00:37:44.710
Know, Two or three people in the art department, two
757
00:37:44.750 --> 00:37:47.610
or three sound people, four or five locations people, a
758
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:52.840
bunch of executive producers, line producers. I had to learn
759
00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:55.960
what these jobs were, what they're responsible for, who these
760
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.019
people are. We would start a new season and be like, oh, hey,
761
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:00.980
who are you? And they'd be like, I'm so-and-so. I'm like,
762
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.030
what are you doing?
763
00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:02.429
I do this.
764
00:38:02.469 --> 00:38:03.309
I'm like, what does that mean?
765
00:38:04.309 --> 00:38:06.150
I was going to say, some of the things you're saying,
766
00:38:06.210 --> 00:38:07.110
I don't know what that means.
767
00:38:07.409 --> 00:38:09.670
Yeah. Now we're at a point where.
768
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.349
Every year you get to meet new people and the
769
00:38:13.449 --> 00:38:15.869
ones that really click and are really wonderful at their
770
00:38:15.889 --> 00:38:20.190
job and good people, they stay. Also, TV is a
771
00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:24.949
very cyclical business where people are jumping from job to
772
00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:26.659
job and they want to move up and they want
773
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:31.719
to move on. In the TV world, you don't necessarily
774
00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:34.059
always have the same core group.
775
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.550
And we felt that. Sometimes it's for the better.
776
00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:39.230
Sometimes it's a growing pain because you get– you really
777
00:38:39.309 --> 00:38:42.489
lose a good person. But I think now heading into
778
00:38:42.530 --> 00:38:46.489
season five, we've called every year– we've called just the
779
00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:50.150
best of the best at their job. And we have
780
00:38:50.210 --> 00:38:55.030
such a tight-knit, good group. that everyone like loves.
781
00:38:54.829 --> 00:38:58.500
Each other loves the show loves what they do respects each.
782
00:38:58.389 --> 00:39:02.300
Other everyone helps each other it is such an insanely
783
00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:05.719
satisfying and wonderful experience to go to work which i
784
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.960
know is a blessing that in the beginning it was
785
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.519
like also we were new and so like We didn't
786
00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:13.559
have as much creative freedoms because the network is taking
787
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.610
a chance on us and they're putting money on us.
788
00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:18.019
So they want to make sure they mold the show
789
00:39:18.139 --> 00:39:20.510
in a way that they can help chart its course.
790
00:39:20.929 --> 00:39:24.190
But, of course, in success comes a little more freedom.
791
00:39:24.710 --> 00:39:27.570
And so now, you know, like we mentioned, 100 episodes
792
00:39:27.650 --> 00:39:29.889
in and heading into season five, we're more of a well.
793
00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:34.260
machine we have you know we've turned over all.
794
00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:36.280
The stones so to speak so we kind of know
795
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.159
how this thing works and we're kind of piloting we're
796
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:41.460
a little bit more autonomous in the fact that we
797
00:39:42.489 --> 00:39:43.829
They know that we know how to make the show
798
00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:44.659
and they let us do it.
799
00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:47.469
And that comes through creatively. It comes through in the
800
00:39:47.510 --> 00:39:51.510
way our job functions are. So right now, in the beginning,
801
00:39:51.530 --> 00:39:54.659
it was very exciting and very stripped down. Now it's
802
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.679
much more elaborate. There's a way bigger production behind it.
803
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.059
But I wouldn't have it any other way. It takes
804
00:40:02.179 --> 00:40:04.579
so many people to make our show. That's another thing that...
805
00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:08.139
People may not realize. You watch the show and it's
806
00:40:08.300 --> 00:40:12.300
very– the show itself by nature is stripped down. There's
807
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.550
all these hidden cameras and us and we're on the
808
00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:18.130
sidewalk or we're just walking around, whatever it is. And
809
00:40:18.170 --> 00:40:20.730
it doesn't necessarily– if you don't have a knowledge of
810
00:40:20.750 --> 00:40:23.829
how TV works, you would think the show is much
811
00:40:23.909 --> 00:40:25.309
more simple than it is to make.
812
00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:29.739
But we have so many people working at any given moment. And,
813
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.099
you know, the way that an episode works is we
814
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.670
have to think of an idea. And, you know, usually
815
00:40:34.730 --> 00:40:36.889
now our writing team will go to work.
816
00:40:36.929 --> 00:40:38.849
They'll lock themselves in a room and we'll pop in
817
00:40:38.909 --> 00:40:41.469
every couple of days or whatever it is. And we'll
818
00:40:41.630 --> 00:40:43.269
mix it up with them and try to put them
819
00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:45.230
on the right course. And then they'll pitch us ideas
820
00:40:45.269 --> 00:40:47.090
and we'll work with them on ideas. And if we
821
00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:51.000
like it, then we tell True about it. And then
822
00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:54.059
True has to like it. Or if they don't, we
823
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.840
have to convince them to like it. And then after that,
824
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.889
they say it's okay to go. And then we have
825
00:40:59.909 --> 00:41:01.710
to find the right location for it and the right
826
00:41:01.789 --> 00:41:04.250
space for it and the right people for it. And
827
00:41:04.269 --> 00:41:05.769
then we have a team of people go and do that.
828
00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:08.090
And then when they find the right location, we send
829
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.059
a bunch of people to that location. They have to
830
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.940
check it out technically and see if we can film there.
831
00:41:12.980 --> 00:41:16.199
Is there enough foot traffic? Is there places to hide everything?
832
00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:19.219
And then when they see that that's okay, they.
833
00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:21.280
Sign off on it. We actually put it in the books.
834
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.880
Once it's put in the books– We all write jokes
835
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:26.179
for it and get ideas for it and start trading
836
00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:28.349
secrets on what we'll do to the guys. And that's
837
00:41:28.369 --> 00:41:31.230
just for that one thing. And then that day, our
838
00:41:31.309 --> 00:41:33.690
crew gets there maybe four or five hours before us.
839
00:41:34.210 --> 00:41:37.050
They literally like sometimes open up walls and put in
840
00:41:37.130 --> 00:41:40.369
cameras and set everything up and hide everything. And then
841
00:41:40.409 --> 00:41:42.780
we get there and we do a run through of
842
00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:44.880
the space to see what it's like. And then we
843
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:48.139
film for four or five, six hours. And then we
844
00:41:48.179 -->
00:41:50.940
leave and they take the same amount of time, two, three,
845
00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:52.280
four hours to break everything down.
846
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:57.280
And then that gets sent to our editors who do
847
00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.400
a cut of it. And then they send it to us.
848
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.380
And then we watch the whole thing and give notes
849
00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:03.800
on how we want to change and on the beats
850
00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:04.780
and how we want to look.
851
00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:06.599
And we send it back to them and they do
852
00:42:06.619 --> 00:42:08.139
it again. They send it back to us again. And
853
00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:10.500
we do like three or four passes of that. And
854
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.420
then we send it to True. And then they give
855
00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:15.579
their notes. And then that one bit is done. That's
856
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.440
one bit. And we have to do that for every
857
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.820
single bit. So an episode is probably about four bits.
858
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:24.699
And a season is probably about 30 episodes. So we
859
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.400
do that process for 120 bits basically in like nine months.
860
00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:33.699
And yeah, and that's kind of like how the show
861
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.000
gets pieced together. It's a lot of people working and
862
00:42:36.019 --> 00:42:36.800
doing a lot of stuff.
863
00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:41.340
That– what you just laid out just blows me away.
864
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:42.380
It really does.
865
00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:46.679
And I was thinking though as things get more popular
866
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:50.940
and the show expands and more people get involved– Do
867
00:42:50.980 --> 00:42:54.500
you ever worry about the potential for it to lose
868
00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:57.400
what it potentially is at its core and its essence
869
00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:00.139
when there was 15 people and you and your buddies
870
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.199
are basically doing everything and now everyone kind of has
871
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.840
boundaries in doing their own thing. You're in your own offices.
872
00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:09.710
You've got a writer's room. You have professional writers that
873
00:43:09.989 --> 00:43:12.190
throw ideas. Do you ever have that concern that it
874
00:43:12.230 --> 00:43:13.150
could lose some of that?
875
00:43:13.909 --> 00:43:16.409
Well, the concern is a valid one, but I don't
876
00:43:16.449 --> 00:43:20.610
have it because– It's the way that we chose to
877
00:43:21.269 --> 00:43:23.590
basically set up. I mean, yeah, we have our own offices,
878
00:43:23.630 --> 00:43:29.230
but that's kind of misleading. Because everyone, we're very collaborative.
879
00:43:29.809 --> 00:43:37.809
And even though the staff has grown, we set.
880
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:40.409
A tone in a way that we are a very
881
00:43:40.570
--> 00:43:45.989
tight-knit group. concentrating on the same goals and you know
882
00:43:46.110 --> 00:43:48.840
everybody collaborates with everyone else like people need to help
883
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.480
each other so like location might get a lead on
884
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.579
a place and run into the guys in the writer
885
00:43:53.619 --> 00:43:54.940
and be like oh my god i got this place
886
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:56.659
can you guys do something with that and then like
887
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.010
so everyone's kind of working together and.
888
00:43:59.070 --> 00:44:03.030
At its core also every last decision for the most
889
00:44:03.070 --> 00:44:04.510
part has to pass through the four.
890
00:44:04.349 --> 00:44:08.059
Of us So everything gets streamlined down and it passes
891
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.440
through our filter and we're still controlling almost every single
892
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:13.460
aspect of the show.
893
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.679
Like from do you like this costume to do you
894
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.510
like this location? Do you like this joke? And so
895
00:44:21.710 --> 00:44:23.809
the fact that we still get the say over every
896
00:44:23.829 --> 00:44:26.780
little thing on top of the fact that everyone is
897
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.300
like just works together and we we know the goal,
898
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.119
everyone is focused on the same goal. It still keeps
899
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.469
it very much like a tight knit process.
900
00:44:36.530 --> 00:44:42.230
I gotcha. Do you have a specific process for idea generation?
901
00:44:42.250 --> 00:44:44.860
I think this can apply to potentially any field of work,
902
00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:47.159
and that's why I asked that question. I mean, what
903
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.699
does it look like? Are you on your own? Are
904
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.239
you with others? What time of day is it? What
905
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.019
type of computer do you use? All those things, I think, are,
906
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.800
for me at least, are interesting to know what you, Sal,
907
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.590
are thinking about and how, as far as processing ideas
908
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:03.809
and thinking of new things.
909
00:45:04.550 --> 00:45:05.510
Yeah. So.
910
00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:10.110
As for this, and I guess any really show where
911
00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:12.940
you're writing, you'll see shows like if you watch any
912
00:45:12.980 --> 00:45:15.980
television show, take Seinfeld for example. If you went back
913
00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:19.539
and watched it now, you see the show kind of
914
00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:21.469
get more cohesive as it goes along.
915
00:45:21.610 --> 00:45:23.349
And you see it hit its stride and kind of
916
00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:24.789
peak and maybe even fall off.
917
00:45:25.289 --> 00:45:27.630
If you watch the first few episodes of Seinfeld and
918
00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:30.269
then you watch a few episodes in season four. And
919
00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:32.010
then you watch a few episodes in the last season.
920
00:45:32.110 --> 00:45:34.929
You'll see differences there. And that is all indicative of
921
00:45:34.969 --> 00:45:38.469
what's going on behind the scenes. Like you begin to
922
00:45:38.530 --> 00:45:40.420
learn the show and learn what works and then you
923
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.679
get really good at that. And then you get to
924
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.039
a point where you're like banging on all cylinders and
925
00:45:46.059 --> 00:45:49.559
the creativity is just kind of like seamless and really flowing.
926
00:45:49.699 --> 00:45:53.829
And then you hit a point where. You've exhausted the
927
00:45:53.909 --> 00:45:56.090
initial thousand ideas.
928
00:45:56.349 --> 00:45:58.230
And now it's time to dig and push and try
929
00:45:58.250 --> 00:46:00.650
to uncover new ideas. And I think that's true with
930
00:46:00.710 --> 00:46:03.829
any show as it runs its course. And the same
931
00:46:03.869 --> 00:46:07.150
with us. In the beginning, it was like, all right.
932
00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:10.710
The show was originally called Mission Uncomfortable. And it got
933
00:46:10.730 --> 00:46:14.440
changed to Impractical Jokers. But that... that name kind of
934
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:17.099
can give you insight as to what like the goal was.
935
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:20.480
He wants to put ourselves in uncomfortable, social, relatable situations
936
00:46:20.539 --> 00:46:23.880
and see how we fared. And in our succeeding or
937
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.440
failing at it, we wanted it to be funny. So
938
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.219
there's basically like two.
939
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.119
Rules, you know, like, well, really there's one major, major
940
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.599
rule is, is it funny?
941
00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:34.519
Is it funny to me?
942
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.329
And then beyond that, does it fit the tone of
943
00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:41.559
the show? And so you can imagine when.
944
00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:43.860
We sat down, you could think of a billion things.
945
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.059
Oh my God, say this to that person, do this
946
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.099
to that person, you know, walk away with someone's shopping cart,
947
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.900
fall asleep on this person, read over their shoulder. Like
948
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.820
all of them, they just come fast and furious. And,
949
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.639
you know, and then it's like, all right, how do
950
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.119
we mold that into a game or how can we compete?
951
00:46:59.179 --> 00:47:00.940
And like, you know, you kind of crack these codes
952
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.000
on what will be the actual, cause we're really creating
953
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.179
all these little mini games against each other. Then you
954
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.699
bring on writers and, Some of them know the show,
955
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.699
some of them don't at first, and you have to
956
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:14.150
teach them the tone and make sure they get it,
957
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.980
you know, and then blah, blah, blah. And I will
958
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.550
say this, another thing that just to go back to
959
00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:23.010
what you asked me before is now that it's getting bigger,
960
00:47:23.110 --> 00:47:24.349
do I worry.
961
00:47:24.570 --> 00:47:26.969
The show is losing its essence of what it was,
962
00:47:27.010 --> 00:47:29.929
which was a small little thing. A lot of people
963
00:47:30.469 --> 00:47:31.590
know this, but a lot don't.
964
00:47:32.469 --> 00:47:35.260
Many people on our staff, on our show are our
965
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.179
other friends, right? like we have a lot of you
966
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.599
said professional writers we have a lot of writers.
967
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.199
That have never written before they're just our friends.
968
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.510
We have professional writers too but we like a lot
969
00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:50.329
of people like it's a dream job these are four
970
00:47:50.369 --> 00:47:54.530
best friends what they don't know is there's actually like
971
00:47:54.590 --> 00:47:57.940
another ten or more people on our staff everyone from
972
00:47:58.829 --> 00:48:00.750
a couple of our cameramen to three or four of
973
00:48:00.809 --> 00:48:05.059
our writers to our locations, people that are my friends
974
00:48:05.139 --> 00:48:08.800
from home that I knew are just funny and great
975
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:09.840
and could do a good job.
976
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:10.980
And they've succeeded.
977
00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:14.099
And so like behind the scenes, I I'm working with
978
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.000
people I've known for 10 to 20 years that weren't
979
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.690
even comedians or, you know what I mean? So it's
980
00:48:19.769 --> 00:48:25.039
pretty amazing that that also helps because they, it, there's
981
00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:27.360
two different skill sets, you know, like someone could be
982
00:48:27.699 --> 00:48:32.309
an amazingly natural, funny, professional writer, but then he works
983
00:48:32.469 --> 00:48:36.349
in tandem with the guy that's known me for 15 years.
984
00:48:36.570 --> 00:48:38.860
And the result of the two of them working together
985
00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:41.699
is something that neither of them could achieve on their own. Um,
986
00:48:42.710 --> 00:48:47.250
And that's what happens now. Basically, we lock ourselves in
987
00:48:47.289 --> 00:48:47.590
a room.
988
00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:53.650
Really, for writing, it's actually anything goes. So for me
989
00:48:53.690 --> 00:48:56.260
and the guys, if an idea strikes you, same as
990
00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:01.460
a comedian, you're constantly just observing. You're observing and you're
991
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.500
trying to see how you can make your observations funny.
992
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:06.460
That's really all it is.
993
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:09.059
And for the show, if something happens to me in
994
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.860
the moment, I'm like, oh my god, that should be
995
00:49:10.889 --> 00:49:13.449
on the show. If something clicks while I'm riding the subway,
996
00:49:13.489 --> 00:49:15.190
I'm like, that should be on the show. Or even
997
00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:17.670
if it's just a premise or the seed of an idea,
998
00:49:17.710 --> 00:49:19.409
I'll walk into the writer's room or I'll text the
999
00:49:19.429 --> 00:49:21.719
guys and say, what do you guys think about this?
1000
00:49:21.739 --> 00:49:24.780
Talk it out. You know what I mean? And then
1001
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.960
the other thing– so basically inspiration strikes at any given moment.
1002
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.570
A lot of my inspiration strikes– when I am laying
1003
00:49:32.610 --> 00:49:35.090
down to sleep, like all night long, I write, like
1004
00:49:35.230 --> 00:49:37.230
I wake up and write ideas down as I'm sleeping.
1005
00:49:37.289 --> 00:49:40.190
But in a more formal way, our writers before the
1006
00:49:40.210 --> 00:49:43.409
season even starts for about six weeks, they lock themselves
1007
00:49:43.449 --> 00:49:46.269
in that room. And they come up with, you know,
1008
00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:47.369
a few hundred ideas.
1009
00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:47.989
Yeah.
1010
00:49:48.690 --> 00:49:51.809
Now that you guys are, you know, each, and I mean,
1011
00:49:51.849 --> 00:49:54.869
I guess almost every day, you become more and more
1012
00:49:55.309 --> 00:50:00.159
well known, famous, recognizable. You, you know, based on the
1013
00:50:00.789 --> 00:50:05.230
your show, it's helpful or almost mandatory, I would say,
1014
00:50:05.309 --> 00:50:08.389
for people not to recognize you. So as you get
1015
00:50:08.469 --> 00:50:12.110
more and more recognized, how has that affected you guys filming,
1016
00:50:12.690 --> 00:50:16.010
whether you're in New York or anywhere really, by trying
1017
00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:18.070
to do a show with hidden cameras and you're trying
1018
00:50:18.090 --> 00:50:21.199
to be just regular guys, but people are going to
1019
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.800
recognize the show. How does that affect the show?
1020
00:50:24.579 --> 00:50:26.840
Well, we didn't have that issue the first season. The
1021
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.869
show didn't air yet. And then we were well aware of.
1022
00:50:31.710 --> 00:50:35.739
With success, that potentially being something that could be to
1023
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.510
the detriment of the show. But what we learned, thankfully,
1024
00:50:39.590 --> 00:50:45.619
is that filming in New York, while nowadays our shoot
1025
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:47.539
days can be a
little longer because we do get
1026
00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:51.079
a little bit prohibited by people who recognize us and
1027
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.920
we have to kind of move them out of the
1028
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.619
way or make sure they don't blow our cover, that happens.
1029
00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:55.940
But.
1030
00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:00.510
New York is so densely populated with so many different
1031
00:51:00.530 --> 00:51:03.219
types of people that it's really the ideal place to
1032
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.659
shoot the show because if someone recognizes me, I guarantee
1033
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:07.760
you the next 10 people won't.
1034
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.760
So it impedes the show a little bit.
1035
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:14.019
And sometimes it stinks because we'll be in the middle
1036
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.360
of something great and someone will recognize us and that
1037
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:16.699
kind of.
1038
00:51:16.699 --> 00:51:21.460
Has to all get thrown away. But it's pretty clear,
1039
00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:24.960
I think, knock on wood, hopefully, that it will not
1040
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.280
stop the show as a whole and the way it
1041
00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:33.079
gets made. We run the risk of, um, maybe losing
1042
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.960
a day to, to, to being recognized. If we go
1043
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.909
to a place that's a little more remote with not
1044
00:51:38.949 --> 00:51:41.429
a lot of people there and, and, you know, and
1045
00:51:41.469 --> 00:51:44.489
not a lot of opportunity, but that's one of the
1046
00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:48.170
things we look for when we're booking our location is,
1047
00:51:48.250 --> 00:51:50.739
is there a lot of turnover in people? We have
1048
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.219
a lot of little tricks too. Sometimes we'll give presentations
1049
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.219
on the show. It's not just outdoors or in public
1050
00:51:55.260 --> 00:51:56.559
spaces or supermarkets.
1051
00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:59.960
Like a lot of times we're, um, In office buildings
1052
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.019
or at conferences and stuff like that. And we have
1053
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.710
to have– we stand on a stage and give lectures
1054
00:52:06.789 --> 00:52:10.110
or presentations to people pretending that we know what we're
1055
00:52:10.150 --> 00:52:13.170
doing but we don't. And sometimes there's three people. We'll
1056
00:52:13.190 --> 00:52:15.300
do like a focus group or a taste test. And
1057
00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:17.940
sometimes there's 30 people where I'm giving a business lecture.
1058
00:52:18.579 --> 00:52:20.679
And we have to make sure like if we're doing
1059
00:52:21.139 --> 00:52:23.639
a group with like 15, 20 people, if one of
1060
00:52:23.659 --> 00:52:25.400
those people in that room knows us and goes, oh,
1061
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.989
I know you guys. This is that show. Then that
1062
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:29.309
whole thing is ruined.
1063
00:52:30.090 --> 00:52:31.869
Yeah, I was going to say. I wonder about that.
1064
00:52:32.090 --> 00:52:35.429
Yeah, we have little tricks in place where like if
1065
00:52:35.469 --> 00:52:37.889
they're in a waiting room, a holding area, one of
1066
00:52:37.969 --> 00:52:41.190
us will go wait in that room. And we'll see,
1067
00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:43.309
we'll have other plants in there that work with us
1068
00:52:43.409 --> 00:52:45.969
and we'll see if someone recognizes us.
1069
00:52:46.369 --> 00:52:48.889
Usually before they yell something out, you see it in
1070
00:52:48.929 --> 00:52:52.219
their eyes or they'll say, excuse me, like that. And
1071
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.280
then we'll, we'll, we'll get that person and we'll quarantine
1072
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.079
them and take them out of the room. You know
1073
00:52:57.099 --> 00:52:57.400
what I mean?
1074
00:52:57.500 --> 00:52:58.320
Yeah, exactly.
1075
00:52:58.420 --> 00:53:00.239
We have all these little like kind of tricks in
1076
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:02.500
place to make sure that that doesn't happen. It still
1077
00:53:02.539 --> 00:53:05.929
does slip through the cracks sometimes, but we're pretty, pretty
1078
00:53:05.989 --> 00:53:06.789
efficient that way.
1079
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.179
You know, one of the things that I guess the
1080
00:53:09.219 --> 00:53:15.170
word could be endearing and enjoyable as a viewer about you,
1081
00:53:15.650 --> 00:53:18.659
specifically Sal, I guess all the guys too, but I
1082
00:53:18.860 --> 00:53:22.980
was watching a few episodes last night. And there's just
1083
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.860
this genuine feeling, to me at least as a viewer,
1084
00:53:27.110 --> 00:53:30.920
of your passion. nervousness or how freaked out you get
1085
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.400
during some of these things that there's no possible way
1086
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.789
that it's not your real emotion. And I think that
1087
00:53:37.889 --> 00:53:40.309
seems to be the essence of why the show works for,
1088
00:53:40.449 --> 00:53:43.289
for so many people. It's almost, it's hard to turn
1089
00:53:43.329 --> 00:53:45.650
it off. It gets addictive. And before you know it,
1090
00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:48.070
you've watched like four episodes back to back to back.
1091
00:53:48.409 --> 00:53:50.219
And you just, for some reason, you just, you're just
1092
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.739
drawn to it. And even people like my wife was
1093
00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:56.530
walking through the family room last night and just stopped.
1094
00:53:56.570 --> 00:53:58.730
And she's not a big TV watcher and just stopped
1095
00:53:59.050 --> 00:54:02.230
like dead in her tracks, standing up watching for a
1096
00:54:02.269 --> 00:54:04.349
whole bit or two or three or even, and then
1097
00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:06.570
extended onto the next episode. And I think that's part
1098
00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:09.280
of it is seeing you and how genuine, like you
1099
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:12.000
get kind of just, you can just feel it as
1100
00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:14.599
the viewer to say, this is legit. This is real.
1101
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:16.860
And especially in the day and age when people see
1102
00:54:17.539 --> 00:54:20.000
certain reality shows, I know you're, you don't want to
1103
00:54:20.179 --> 00:54:22.579
be classified as that, but certain reality shows where it's
1104
00:54:22.780 --> 00:54:26.750
obviously like, Not exactly. It's scripted. It's not real. And
1105
00:54:26.769 --> 00:54:30.789
yours just seems legitimately like, oh, my gosh. You mentioned
1106
00:54:30.809 --> 00:54:33.469
the Jaden Smith tattoo. I mean, I watched that video
1107
00:54:33.489 --> 00:54:36.130
this morning as well. It was like this is as
1108
00:54:36.230 --> 00:54:37.969
real as it gets, and it's crazy.
1109
00:54:38.389 --> 00:54:38.670
Yeah.
1110
00:54:38.769 --> 00:54:42.429
Well, thank you. That's such a nice compliment. I mean, yeah,
1111
00:54:42.469 --> 00:54:45.269
I mean, that's something that we thought early on. Like,
1112
00:54:45.289 --> 00:54:49.150
you know, when we started on TruTV, their other programming.
1113
00:54:48.690 --> 00:54:52.010
That surrounded us was very different than ours. it's not
1114
00:54:52.070 --> 00:54:55.269
my favorite type of television, their old programming. And it
1115
00:54:55.409 --> 00:54:58.050
was skewing toward what you just said. It was called
1116
00:54:58.110 --> 00:55:02.030
reality TV, but then lately reality TV is all scripted anyway.
1117
00:55:02.210 --> 00:55:03.889
And it's, uh, you know, you could see that coming
1118
00:55:03.909 --> 00:55:05.960
from a mile away. It just, it's just phony TV.
1119
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.119
You know, it's kind of like a little bit mindless
1120
00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:10.320
and sometimes that's what people like and what you want
1121
00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:14.539
to watch, but it's all manufactured. And, you know, as a, as, as,
1122
00:55:14.619 --> 00:55:17.679
as comedian, the most important thing, the funniest thing really
1123
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.019
is are things that are true. So, um, we come
1124
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.179
from that school, you know, that's what, how we, we
1125
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:27.449
learned and everything. And, and so we made it abundantly clear,
1126
00:55:27.789 --> 00:55:30.849
you know, to them that, you know, our show will
1127
00:55:30.869 --> 00:55:33.150
be a hundred percent real, you know, with real people
1128
00:55:33.230 --> 00:55:35.510
and real moments, and we don't ever want to predict them.
1129
00:55:35.590 --> 00:55:38.630
And that is going to be what makes the show work. And,
1130
00:55:38.730 --> 00:55:40.849
you know, they got that and that's how we made it.
1131
00:55:40.949 --> 00:55:43.909
And even, you know, well, nowadays too, like we film
1132
00:55:43.929 --> 00:55:47.239
now and obviously I have a I'd like to think
1133
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.119
I have somewhat of a tougher skin than when I
1134
00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:51.659
first started the show. When we first started, everything was
1135
00:55:51.730 --> 00:55:54.969
mortifying because you're never really.
1136
00:55:55.250 --> 00:55:58.150
In those types of social situations. You're just not. And
1137
00:55:58.210 --> 00:56:00.690
so even the littlest thing is like, oh, my God,
1138
00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:02.550
I really don't want to do this.
1139
00:56:02.610 --> 00:56:04.630
But I know that me not wanting to do it
1140
00:56:04.650 --> 00:56:07.460
is funny, but I still don't want to do it. Nowadays,
1141
00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:09.539
I've done it so much. I can read people a
1142
00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:12.300
little bit more. I've been in the trenches a little more.
1143
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.019
So– I think nowadays, you know, we've evolved on how
1144
00:56:17.059 --> 00:56:20.039
we handle stuff. And it's a little bit harder and
1145
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.739
more challenging in a good way to find something that
1146
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.400
will freak us out like it did in the beginning.
1147
00:56:24.940 --> 00:56:28.239
But we still receive and interpret those moments the same
1148
00:56:28.510 --> 00:56:31.349
at their core, which is if these cameras weren't on
1149
00:56:31.389 --> 00:56:33.489
us right now, you know, we wouldn't really want to
1150
00:56:33.510 --> 00:56:35.349
do this. And how would we react?
1151
00:56:35.389 --> 00:56:37.309
You know what I mean? And before we go out,
1152
00:56:37.369 --> 00:56:40.050
we just make sure that we just, like, play it
1153
00:56:40.090 --> 00:56:44.000
as real as possible. And... You're right. That is what
1154
00:56:44.019 --> 00:56:45.340
people have responded to.
1155
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.670
What about when people, you've done just a phenomenal bit
1156
00:56:51.250 --> 00:56:54.309
and the response is perfect from the people around you
1157
00:56:55.190 --> 00:56:58.269
and then the person says they will not agree to
1158
00:56:58.309 --> 00:57:00.789
being on the show and in order for the bit
1159
00:57:00.829 --> 00:57:02.429
to work, you've got to be able to see the
1160
00:57:02.489 --> 00:57:06.530
facial expressions so you can't just blur them out. What
1161
00:57:06.590 --> 00:57:08.289
happens at that moment? Because I know you can blur
1162
00:57:08.309 --> 00:57:10.130
people out if they don't sign the release form, but
1163
00:57:10.449 --> 00:57:13.090
Let's say it's necessary to see the person's face and
1164
00:57:13.110 --> 00:57:15.550
the way they react. How do you handle those situations?
1165
00:57:15.590 --> 00:57:18.789
Do you ever have to compensate them or what happens? Yeah.
1166
00:57:18.869 --> 00:57:21.099
So, yeah, I mean, like a lot of the comedy
1167
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.039
is driven from reaction. And so there are
certain instances
1168
00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:28.639
where the person didn't even react well, but what was
1169
00:57:28.659 --> 00:57:30.659
going on around them was funny and we'll use a blur.
1170
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.530
But I'd say for the lion's share of that, you
1171
00:57:33.590 --> 00:57:38.570
want no blurs. And, you know, every once in a while, like,
1172
00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:39.869
you know, every.
1173
00:57:39.510 --> 00:57:43.880
Maybe– couple, like two out of 10 people, they don't
1174
00:57:43.900 --> 00:57:47.199
want to sign for any number of reasons. They, they,
1175
00:57:47.659 --> 00:57:49.300
they appreciate it, but they just don't want to be
1176
00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:51.969
on TV. What have you from the most normal reasons
1177
00:57:52.010 --> 00:57:55.329
to sometimes the most salacious reasons where it's like, this
1178
00:57:55.409 --> 00:58:01.030
is not my wife. Like we've seen everything, you know,
1179
00:58:01.070 --> 00:58:03.829
like sometimes people are just like, Oh, if you guys,
1180
00:58:03.869 --> 00:58:05.110
I don't know, you know what I mean? But not
1181
00:58:05.130 --> 00:58:08.659
a lot, but If we need it, we'll first go
1182
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.769
out and we will appeal to them and their kindness
1183
00:58:11.829 --> 00:58:14.719
and explain how the show works and why we need it.
1184
00:58:15.489 --> 00:58:18.210
If they still say no, we'll offer to bring them.
1185
00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:20.920
In the back and show them what we recorded of
1186
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.840
them and how it looks and what it's going to
1187
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:25.659
look like. If they still say no, we offer to
1188
00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:29.389
take their information and send them the final product that
1189
00:58:29.409 --> 00:58:31.969
would air so they know exactly what's going to happen
1190
00:58:32.030 --> 00:58:34.030
and then they can sign off on that. If they
1191
00:58:34.070 --> 00:58:37.300
still say no, then we'll like even offer them money.
1192
00:58:37.340 --> 00:58:39.559
We don't have tons of money for that type of budget.
1193
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:42.599
but you know sometimes a little goes a long way
1194
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.019
just a gesture of where like a supermarket will say
1195
00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:46.900
like we'll buy all your groceries you know something like
1196
00:58:46.940 --> 00:58:50.210
that and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and
1197
00:58:50.769 --> 00:58:53.409
when it doesn't work and they don't sign and it
1198
00:58:53.469 --> 00:58:58.789
was something that was like tear inducing hysterical it is
1199
00:58:58.829 --> 00:59:03.090
the most crushing defeated because you are like oh my
1200
00:59:03.130 --> 00:59:07.329
god that would have been like that would have sometimes
1201
00:59:07.369 --> 00:59:10.880
you know in a moment we know that when this airs,
1202
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people are going to literally attach onto it. And this
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is going to become a catchphrase or this is going
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to become a game everyone plays or this or that.
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And you just kind of know. And there are times
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when we have those moments and then the people don't
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sign and you know that no one will ever see it.
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And you don't know when you're going to get a
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magical moment like that again.
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And it is rough. Like we all take a deep
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breath and shake it off and you got to just
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continue with the day. But it's like it's rough because
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if I get that moment.
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Let's say, for example, and you are on cloud nine,
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because really the variable in our show is the public.
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And you never know what type of person, physical, mental,
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you know, personality-wise you're.
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Going to get and how they're going to react.
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And the way they react can elevate something a hundred
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times funnier than what it was.
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And it's really just a lottery. It's a jackpot of
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who you get.
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And so sometimes you hit on that person that magic
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happens and we're all crying. And they say no and
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you exhaust all your options and they walk away forever.
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Like, oh, my God. And then you literally have to
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01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.880
go again right after that and you get someone that
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is like, it just sucks after that. It's tough. You
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01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.900
have to stay funny. You have to stay in it.
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So it is rough.
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I can imagine that that could be some of the
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tough moments. I got one more question, Sal. I know
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we're up against it, but I'm curious. We mentioned earlier
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in our conversation at the beginning about common characteristics of
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great comics, of what you've been able to do, of
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being passionate, of almost being obsessive about what your craft
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01:00:50.949 --> 01:00:53.130
and what you do and studying it and being immersed
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in it. Who are some of the comedians currently or
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01:00:59.590
maybe in the past that you look up to that
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you admire the most?
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Oh, man.
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Whenever I get asked that one, it's so much deeper
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for me.
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But I would say... I mean, growing up, uh, Steve Martin,
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John Candy, Andy Kaufman, Eddie Murphy. I mean, notwithstanding the
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horrible shit now.
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01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:26.349
Bill Cosby, uh, you know, uh, Leslie Nielsen and the
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Zucker brothers, the guys who.
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Made like airplane and naked gun.
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Yeah.
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Uh, Letterman, Bill Murray, Don Rickles. They listened to Howard
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Stern growing up. Um, I don't know, Martin Short.
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01:01:38.539 --> 01:01:41.360
These are guys I watched their movies over and over
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and over and I watched their stand-up over and over
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01:01:43.269 --> 01:01:47.269
and I memorized it. One of my biggest comedic influences
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was that people are usually surprised to hear is Sherman Hemsley.
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01:01:51.289 --> 01:01:55.579
He played George Jefferson. Oh. From the Jeffersons.
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01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.619
I don't know if you know that sitcom. It's a
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black sitcom from the 70s. And I grew up watching it.
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And I thought that he was the funniest thing in
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the world. So I used to memorize... Like I.
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Used to watch TV– this is before DVR and even
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before VCR. I used to watch TV and I used.
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To write down his lines and then I used to–
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I had an impression of him and then I would
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like recite his lines for like my family and in
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class and stuff like that.
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He was a huge influence. Jefferson is like my favorite
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show of all time. Wow.
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You know, and then, and so I just, you know, I,
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you build off those guys and they're, they're in a
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different people. I named like Seinfeld too. They were just
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in a different class. They're just like old world funny
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to me.
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Like, you know what I mean? They just, and that's
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kind of like where it came from.
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And then like nowadays you have, you
know, everyone from
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01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.449
like a Sasha Baron Cohen is, is, and of course
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01:02:50.510 --> 01:02:54.289
he was probably influenced by Andy Kaufman himself, you know, but, um,
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01:02:54.789 --> 01:02:59.539
this comedian is working today that like, Everyone from stand-up
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01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.420
to not. Like, Sunny in Philadelphia is, like, one of
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01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:02.320
my favorite shows.
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Nathan For You is a show on Comedy Central that
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is probably the most brilliant show I've ever seen. And then, like,
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there's comedians today I love. Gary Goldman. I mean, I
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01:03:15.530 --> 01:03:20.070
could just name names, but Tom Segura, Gary Goldman, Sebastian Maniscalco,
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01:03:20.090 --> 01:03:24.320
Bill Burr, of course. I like John Mulaney, Tommy Johnigan.
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01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.480
On Joe Rogan's podcast, Doug Stanhope was talking about you
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01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:29.280
guys recently. Yes.
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01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.559
So the guys I named just now are not like
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my dear friends. So I try to keep a separation
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01:03:35.539 --> 01:03:38.360
because really like my dear friends in comedy, I can
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01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:39.199
name them all.
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01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.760
And it would seem like I'm naming them because they're
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01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:49.300
my friends. But Doug Stanhope, Big Jay Oakerson, Dom Herrera,
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01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.059
Steve Byrne, Owen Benjamin, Roy Wood. These guys are like
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01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.030
the frigging– Stanhope is in a class of his own too.
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01:03:57.650 --> 01:04:00.610
He just does it his way. His approach to comedy
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is so different.
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01:04:01.449 --> 01:04:03.030
He doesn't really even play comedy clubs.
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01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:05.949
He just tours on his own, his own venues. He's
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01:04:06.010 --> 01:04:09.510
cultivated his own following. He has such a distinct voice.
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01:04:09.610 --> 01:04:13.860
It's so not like anyone else's. He's a genius.
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01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:19.380
Well, the thing about Stanhope is he's... He's just so
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01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:24.900
honest and so brutal, I think, for some people. But
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01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.900
you mentioned it. I admire him because even though some
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01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:32.539
of the things he's saying, people, just behind the scenes,
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01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:35.900
he did AJ's podcast, and it was so rough that
1309
01:04:35.980 --> 01:04:39.480
AJ could not release it. AJ might not want me
1310
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.880
telling people that, but he will someday, but not while
1311
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.320
he's a current NFL player. But Stan Hope was so,
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01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.159
I listened to some of it, and I was like, oh,
1313
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:51.199
my God. But that's him, right? And he's not going
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01:04:51.219 --> 01:04:53.340
to– he's going to do what he does. But I
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01:04:53.389 --> 01:04:58.010
think he is brilliantly smart, almost like you mentioned, genius
1316
01:04:58.050 --> 01:05:02.849
level intelligence, but so funny and just so– I think
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01:05:02.889 --> 01:05:05.429
we all can admire people who do it their way
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01:05:05.750 --> 01:05:09.159
and just– he's built up a massive tribe that loves him.
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01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:12.139
Dude, he's the real deal. Like the way I met
1320
01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:14.599
him was I saw he started following me on Twitter,
1321
01:05:15.139 --> 01:05:18.369
which I couldn't believe. And he tweeted that he just
1322
01:05:18.469 --> 01:05:21.590
loved the show. He said he normally hates it or
1323
01:05:21.610 --> 01:05:24.090
he loves it in camera, but it always sucks. And
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01:05:24.150 --> 01:05:26.590
this show he loves. And we were like, oh, my God.
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01:05:26.690 --> 01:05:28.869
And it was when we first started and we were
1326
01:05:28.909 --> 01:05:31.730
having– We were so new to stuff and we were
1327
01:05:31.750 --> 01:05:35.250
wondering how to approach some situations professionally with the network
1328
01:05:35.309 --> 01:05:36.889
and stuff. And I messaged him and I said, would
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01:05:36.909 --> 01:05:39.349
you mind if I called you for advice? And he
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was like, no, of course not.
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01:05:41.030 --> 01:05:43.530
And I was nervous at first too because I know
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01:05:43.570 --> 01:05:46.860
of him, the persona that everyone knows. And I didn't
1333
01:05:46.889 --> 01:05:49.940
know like, you know, how.
1334
01:05:49.820 --> 01:05:50.360
To– I.
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01:05:52.059 --> 01:05:52.619
Didn't know him.
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01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:56.579
So I just didn't know– how the conversation would go.
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01:05:57.059 --> 01:05:59.710
I quickly learned that he's like the sweetest, most genuine
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01:05:59.730 --> 01:06:02.369
dude in the world. And he just, Q and I
1339
01:06:02.389 --> 01:06:03.869
were in a car. We pulled over on the side
1340
01:06:03.889 --> 01:06:05.849
of the road and called him, talked to him like
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01:06:05.869 --> 01:06:07.840
an hour. Cause he used to be having the man
1342
01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.980
show with Joe Rogan. He had experience dealing with the network.
1343
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.840
He gave us advice and talked to us. And from
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01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:17.760
there we established our friendship and relationship. And he has been,
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01:06:18.769 --> 01:06:21.010
And I agree. I don't agree with everything that he says,
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01:06:21.269 --> 01:06:24.320
and a lot of it I do. And I just
1347
01:06:24.340 --> 01:06:27.099
sit back and totally appreciate how.
1348
01:06:27.139 --> 01:06:32.340
Candid and just upfront he can be about anything he
1349
01:06:32.380 --> 01:06:34.059
believes in,
whether I agree with it or not. You
1350
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.539
know what I mean? Yeah. And– He is so supportive
1351
01:06:38.579 --> 01:06:38.800
of us.
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01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:42.219
The dude has flown across the country just to come
1353
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.760
hang out with us when we tour like three or
1354
01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:47.239
four times. He was there when we taped our first
1355
01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:49.679
hour special. He was on our cruise that we had
1356
01:06:49.739 --> 01:06:53.050
last week and he's the nicest, sweetest dude. I've stayed
1357
01:06:53.070 --> 01:06:56.329
at his home for a while and it just goes
1358
01:06:56.369 --> 01:06:59.650
to show you. You know what I mean? It's so true.
1359
01:06:59.849 --> 01:07:03.789
AJ had him on and he's so blunt and you
1360
01:07:03.809 --> 01:07:06.389
can appreciate that but AJ has to protect himself a little.
1361
01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:09.239
like that's like it like almost like the how it's
1362
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.440
turned thing too it's like you know like people only
1363
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:16.389
know they don't they don't like perceive past the first
1364
01:07:16.630 --> 01:07:19.489
layer or they just or they're just not they're just
1365
01:07:19.510 --> 01:07:22.409
not well-rounded enough to know that you can disagree with
1366
01:07:22.449 --> 01:07:27.199
someone or basically you know just because someone's saying their
1367
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.360
mind and being blunt.
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01:07:28.139 --> 01:07:30.199
Doesn't mean it has to offend you know what i mean.
1369
01:07:30.019 --> 01:07:35.010
Exactly no i'm exactly right yeah it's It's cool to
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01:07:35.030 --> 01:07:36.590
talk about. I could talk to you all day. So,
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I mean, I'm really appreciative of your time, Sal, and
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01:07:39.869 --> 01:07:42.760
I love what you're doing, and I can't say it
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01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.510
enough that I admire it, I respect it. You are
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01:07:45.659 --> 01:07:48.500
absolutely a leader and certainly a learner in your own right,
1375
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:49.800
and that's why I think you're a great fit for
1376
01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:51.860
the show, even though you're in a different arena that
1377
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:53.579
I usually get to talk to, and that's why I
1378
01:07:53.619 --> 01:07:55.440
loved having the opportunity to do this one with you.
1379
01:07:55.460 --> 01:07:57.960
So thank you so much for being here. Is there
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01:07:58.019 --> 01:08:00.519
anywhere you'd want to send people to look more up
1381
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:01.309
online about you?
1382
01:08:02.590 --> 01:08:05.590
Well I mean the tenderloins.com is our website that has
1383
01:08:05.610 --> 01:08:06.969
like all of our tour dates.
1384
01:08:07.429 --> 01:08:10.079
And stuff on there and.
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01:08:09.980 --> 01:08:11.920
I guess that's pretty much it I mean I'm constantly
1386
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touring the show starts again February 11th and my Twitter
1387
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.119
is at Sal Volcano and that pretty much covers all
1388
01:08:18.140 --> 01:08:20.279
the bases but I am really thankful that you asked
1389
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.060
me it was really really a great conversation I enjoyed
1390
01:08:23.090 --> 01:08:23.840
it so much man.
1391
01:08:23.939 --> 01:08:27.069
Thanks man we'll definitely continue this dialogue man I'm excited
1392
01:08:27.109 --> 01:08:29.569
to see what you guys as you continue to progress
1393
01:08:29.630 --> 01:08:31.510
and we'll be talking man Great.
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01:08:31.569 --> 01:08:32.789
Thank you so much, Ryan. Thanks, man.
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01:08:32.949 --> 01:08:33.409
Bye.
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01:08:35.069 --> 01:08:37.560
This episode of The Learning Leader Show is over, but
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01:08:37.569 --> 01:08:39.739
we have plenty more to keep you locked in until
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next time. Head over to learningleadershow.com for more information and
1399
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.930
to request your favorite entrepreneur, CEO, world-class athlete, or anyone
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01:08:48.970 --> 01:08:51.609
else that inspires you. You can also talk to Ryan
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01:08:51.630 --> 01:08:54.949
directly by reaching out to him on Twitter at RyanHawk12.
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01:08:55.489 --> 01:08:57.550
Thanks again, and we'll see you next time on The
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Learning Leader Show.