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Hello and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. I'm Eugene.
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And I'm Kenneth.
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And tonight we are looking at The Invaders, Season 1, Episode 12, The Betrayed.
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Episode synopsis. Prologue. David Vincent has gotten smart.
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He's identified an alien hotspot. He's established himself on the location and
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has conducted a three-month-long surveillance program, culminating in getting
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photographs of a landing spacecraft, the arrival of new invaders,
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and not just identifying an invader facility concealed inside a railway car,
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he manages to get inside and take pictures of it.
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But there is this pretty, pretty little button that calls out his name,
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and so seduced, he presses the button, alerting the invaders to his presence.
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In his life-and-death battle with an alien, he uses the camera as an ineffective
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weapon, then ultimately kills the invader with his hands.
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He grabs a computer tape from a console, and he escapes, leaving his camera behind.
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Act 1. Vincent has been staking out Carver Oil.
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He has been employed there to design a new plant, but now he is testing his
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employer's patience by waking him up at 5 a.m.
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To demand that he send security to the railway car.
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Of course, he won't tell Mr. Carver that he's fighting aliens from another world.
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He'll just explain when they see the railway car.
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The car is, of course, either been cleaned out or replaced by the invaders.
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Carver is not happy with Vincent, and Vincent blows off work for the day to
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pursue getting the tape he stole from the aliens analyzed.
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The trail leads from NASA to the university to Neil Taft, former employee of
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both places and a man who has the talent to decode the tape.
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Vincent has money and convinces Taft to help him, but insists that he must not
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know where Taft will be in case the invaders get to him.
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That night, they do get to Vincent. They beat him and use their sparkly truth device on him.
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He tells them Taft has the tape, but he doesn't know where Taft is. They leave Vincent.
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Carver's daughter, Susan, shows up. She's worried about Vincent because she loves him.
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They've
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clearly been an item over the last three months, despite the fact that
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Vincent has been clearly preoccupied elsewhere.
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Susan returns home, only to be met by her father's personal secretary.
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She's an invader, and she wants to know where the tape is.
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And she has the dirt on Susan's father that will ruin him if she spills the beans.
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Act 2. Vincent meets Taft. The language cannot be decoded, but mathematics are
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universal, and it appears that the tape contains latitude and longitude data,
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similar to what is used by NASA to guide in spacecraft for landing.
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The first set of coordinates is on Carver Oil's property, very near to where
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Vincent saw the saucer land.
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Susan has had a talk with her father and realizes the dirt on him is true.
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He stole a formula from his partner that made him rich, and his partner committed suicide as a result.
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When the secretary approaches Susan again, she has no choice but to agree to
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get the information from Vincent.
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They meet for dinner, although Vincent was already supposed to be waiting in
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the restaurant for a phone call from Taft.
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Vincent can tell something is wrong with Susan, but before he can find out what,
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he gets the phone call and, rather stupidly I might add, he speaks the location
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and time of the meeting out loud, then leaves.
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Susan calls the invaders and tells them.
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Act 3. The invaders get there first and pretend to be Vincent.
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What they do not know is that Taft has sent his younger brother to meet Vincent.
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They beat up the brother and, failing to find the tape, they run him over with
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their car. Vincent arrives to find the injured man and takes him to hospital.
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Taft's brother dies, and Taft wants to get the people who killed him.
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Vincent tells him who they really are, and while skeptical, Taft goes along with him.
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Vincent realizes that Susan betrayed him, so he goes to see her to tell her
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that her actions got a man killed, and he leaves.
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Act 4. Taft is checking out Vincent's story, and he's convinced enough to take
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what he's got to NASA and get them to stake out the coordinates.
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Carver's secretary is unhappy with the information they've received from Susan.
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She acknowledges that it's not her fault, but she'll have to try again.
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The secretary's superiors have made it very clear. If she fails, she will die.
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And if she dies, Susan and her father will die too.
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Their plans are coming to a culmination that very night, and they need to know
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if Vincent is a danger to them.
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If they have to abort their plan, they will be set back one or two years.
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She goes to Vincent. She tells him her and her father's lives are being threatened.
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Something big is happening tonight, so Vincent sets a trap.
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He gives her the information of where the tape will be so that the invaders can get it back.
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That way, they'll carry through with their plan into the waiting hands of NASA
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and the FBI, who will be waiting.
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He tells Susan to phone the information in.
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Then catch a plane to somewhere and tell no one where she's going.
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At the airport, Susan is captured by the aliens, and they take her back to the
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railway car headquarters.
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Vincent and Taft are staking the place out, waiting for NASA and the FBI to
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arrive before they pounce.
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Inside the car, the aliens are just minutes away from the point of no return on an incoming saucer.
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They use the sparkly truth device on Susan and learn that Vincent knows something.
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So they abort the landing and set the self-destruct, abandoning the railway
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car and leaving the dying Susan behind.
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As the aliens escape, Vincent rushes in and rescues Susan, only to have her
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die in his arms and the railway car burn up in typical invader fashion,
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just as the NASA and FBI teams arrive on the scene.
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Epilogue. Carver has survived, and Vincent has one last meeting with him.
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Carver tells him that his daughter really did love him, and with that bitter pill, Vincent leaves.
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Taft drives him to the airport. The end.
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So, Theodore Sturgeon, huh?
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Yes, with the great Theodore Sturgeon, the writer of two of my favorite Star
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Trek episodes, Shore Leave and A Muck Time.
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And a couple years back when I was watching Creature Features and I watched
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the Killdozer
episode, I didn't know that he co-wrote that movie, but he did.
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I remember killdozer when it was on its network premiere i just i thought that
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thing yeah showing my age there,
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having a birthday this week but uh yeah yeah i love that film and i had the comic book,
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but it was it was i'm guessing a pretty stupid,
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premise seems to me like if i recall correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do,
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it's Bulldozer crashes its blade into a meteorite and is somehow possessed by an alien,
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which then proceeds to try to kill everyone.
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Yes.
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Pretty good. Yeah.
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It's a movie. Yes, Killdozer was the kind of movie you want to watch late at
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night when you're not thinking too deeply.
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I'm rarely thinking too deeply anymore,
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i you know i i have in my notes when i was doing the blogging on on this episode
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and i can't see where i'm attributing this to but,
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it's very clear in my notes that sturgeon was brought in to produce a story
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in a script and could not turn one in that they found acceptable,
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did not turn one in that they found acceptable.
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Uh, you know, there's a process you, you hire them and then you bring them in
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and then they get right. A first rewrite.
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And then, you know, after that, maybe you get a third rewrite, second rewrite.
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Maybe not, at which point they can bring in another writer. And my notes say
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that what they did was they brought in the Block guy, John W.
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Block, I think, to basically he rewrote it.
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That's why he gets story and he gets combined story credit with Sturgeon,
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but he gets sole teleplay credit.
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Because he rewrote the whole story and then did the teleplay himself.
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Yes.
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So I don't know how much of this is suitable, suitably, Theodore Sturgeon's work.
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How much is Sturgeon and how much is Block.
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Yeah.
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But there were a few plot holes.
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Oh, yeah.
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In this general episode, which I felt generally enjoyable to watch.
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I watched it three times, had no problem watching it. Didn't bother me at all.
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Although the plot holes did stand out.
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It wasn't it wasn't a bad episode for a variety of reasons which i guess i'll
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go into later but you got plot holes let's start with a plot hole or two those are always fun.
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Yes well how about this,
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plot hole about friends the invaders,
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we have the the first invader we see after the opening credit sequence is the is the secretary mrs,
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bowers evelyn bowers and we don't know yet that she's an invader but we find
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out soon enough and we learn that she's been working for carver oil for a year.
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Yep.
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Roughly yep and that david vince has been working for carver oil for three months roughly yep.
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So see where you're going here.
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Has evelyn just been watching him for three months or is she all of a sudden
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getting concerned i don't know.
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I don't think so i i think she didn't recognize him and i think that's a that's
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the the problem with this story you know i don't,
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in i don't know the last episode the one before the one where they were at the
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school the ivy curtain yes yeah yes that's it,
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we saw that they can program the invaders with vincent's information,
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yes but i don't think that you know i don't think we can necessarily believe
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that they can do that over the wire so you know then as as you would update
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your your tesla now they don't do that they,
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so it's not like it's vincent's been programmed into all the invaders but at
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the same time, the principal of that school had a Rolodex,
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had vincent's information in it vincent vincent vincent you know one of the
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things goes over and looks yeah vincent yeah troublemaker this guy,
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you'd think that you know unless there's like a thousand other people fighting
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the aliens that we don't know about that that name particularly that prevalent,
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for three months overlapping with the invaders that they would have not noticed
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david vincent was working there and if they had noticed david vincent was working
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there they should have pulled up stakes if they weren't willing to kill him,
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right and that's the other thing about the invaders.
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And that's the other main topic i had a question i have with regard to these
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invaders david vincent is sometimes they want to kill him sometimes.
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They just.
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Want to make a fool of him and discredit him.
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Sometimes they want to use him. Sometimes they don't know who he is.
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I think that they're doing a very poor job of it, but that they are very much adhering to the,
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if we kill David Vincent, no matter how benign or ironclad the accidental death,
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there are people that will look at that and go,
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that's the guy that was telling us about aliens.
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And then he dies. And I, you know, I don't know how many people would do that.
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But on the other hand, looking at the way the world is today,
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if we had the internet, there would be a lot of people who would be absolutely
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positively convinced that the aliens killed him.
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It wouldn't matter if he, you know, ran in front of a steamroller intentionally
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and got himself flattened into a pancake. Somebody would go,
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well, you must have done that. The aliens must have done that.
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So I can understand that, but I think they don't,
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I don't want to say they don't repeat that often enough and they probably should.
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Yes.
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But, you know, he's got to get out of death free card with them if they can get away with it.
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But they will if they could if they could discredit him.
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Truly, truly, they've already tried that once.
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But, you know, I think that would be more likely their way of getting rid of him.
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And, you know, they they do plans like that. So I'm surprised they haven't dedicated
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a team to it, but maybe that was the team that was coming to the planet this week.
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That was their big, that was their big thing. It was the, the guy to get rid
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of Vincent, but they've done that. They did the whole thing with a stripper.
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That was a plan to get rid of Vincent.
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Yes.
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Get him, you know, get him to kill himself accidentally out in the desert.
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Cause he's an idiot kind of thing.
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Anyway, but you know, I, I'm going to say also, I enjoyed this episode and,
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I, I really want to call out to the writer to say i appreciate the fact that
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vincent has a job i
appreciate the fact that it is an architectural job that
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he is still able to get jobs and do work he's an architect so it's not,
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you know he's he's not been run out of town,
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as the loony and he's living from boxcar to boxcar,
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you know taking jobs like david banner in the hulk he he's actually still and
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a gainfully employed architect that's working on this plan.
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And he's got a plan. He's been staking the place out for three months.
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Yes, we need more of this. We need more of him actually conducting an investigation.
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We don't need to see the investigation.
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You know, conducting an investigation, laying out a plan, trying to get the
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goods on the aliens and not just bumbling into a scene where,
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oh, look, there was another mysterious death by cerebral hemorrhage.
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I guess that's the aliens. I'm going to go to that town and bumble around until
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somebody tries to kill me, you know?
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So, yes, I do like that about this episode.
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On the other hand you know say that he's got a plan he's got a nice camera he's
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got a big long lens he's got some he finally after three months of stakeout
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he gets shots of a ufo landing,
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and aliens arriving and fantastic there you go probably not proof enough probably
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definitely probably not proof enough,
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and he even gets inside that railway car and he uses that stinking long lens
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to try to take pictures inside a room that small, which, you know,
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he's going to have pictures of buttons,
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but it doesn't really matter because he throws the camera at an alien, kills the alien,
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escapes with something else and doesn't, yeah, with his hands, with his bare hands.
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I mean, he, he's pulled the alien's neck up to the stair or the ladder rung.
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So I assume he either broke his neck or he suffocated him, assuming that you
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can kill an alien by breaking his neck or suffocating him.
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I don't actually know if that's a true statement, but apparently you can because he just did it.
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And we've seen them die of trauma, so yeah, okay, fine.
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But he doesn't even bother to try to recover the camera. It's a film camera.
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Sure, when he threw it, the lens probably got broken off.
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It probably ruined the mount, but that doesn't affect the shutter.
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Maybe the case the back popped off but even if it did not all of the film would
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necessarily be exposed or or oh you know improperly exposed that some of those
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pictures may have still been intact,
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it just it's like it's inexcusable it didn't take the extra one second to go
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grab that camera in that tiny, tiny space.
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And the only thing that I would have accepted is if they had shot and shown
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us just a momentary insert shot,
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when he threw the camera, when it hit the ground that, you know,
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the film sprang out like a slinky.
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All over the place.
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And it's like, okay, that would have solved this problem.
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Film shot lost. And then that would give Vincent like, okay,
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what else can I salvage from this oh i'll grab some computer tape i think this
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is computer tape i don't know it could be might not be whatever,
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so uh yeah i i really really hated that opening,
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secret a scene secret i didn't like the opening secret opening secret either
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but the opening scene was bad enough um yes yeah,
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yeah would,
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knowing what we know about magnetic tape would we be even be able to read that,
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tape i mean presumably that means that the tape is of a,
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I remember when I used to have to do this for a living, writing data to tapes.
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Because where we work, people purchased data.
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Government data you you can't well purchase is the wrong word no it's the right
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word basically if you need information from a government agency you have to,
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pay them if it's for commercial purposes and they have a set rate,
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it's still public record but because it's for commercial purpose you have to
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pay them to for the work done,
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right to get the get the information out so i would have to do this yes and
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like this just on the one computer system we had there was like 25 different
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formats i could have used and luckily we could tell them to,
00:20:02.006 --> 00:20:05.886
you know it's like this is the type tape we can give you it's your problem to
00:20:05.886 --> 00:20:11.106
find out how to read it we can tell
you the specs if we don't tell you the specs you'll never read it,
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right they're just they're just you don't put information at the header,
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you've got to understand what's on the header to read the rest of the tape and
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if you can't read the header if you don't understand the header it's not a standardized
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format they're not going to be able to read that tape and and that's just working
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on the assumption that the aliens use magnetic tape,
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yes that you know you got to know the speed you get into the speed that it goes through you got to know.
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How what the density of it is it's just there's just so much,
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so many variables is like there is just no way that i believe he could have
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gotten to I got longitude and latitude coordinate can't read the language, but math is universal.
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Math is universal, but computer data format tape formats are not.
00:21:03.526 --> 00:21:08.462
So that bugged me about this, but I guess, you know, 1960, whatever people were
00:21:08.717 --> 00:21:11.646
seven extra stupid about computers.
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Yes. Well, not that they aren't now.
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But, but, but that was before there were, there's a computer in nearly every home.
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Just watch the it crowd and i can promise you i can promise you,
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That is absolutely true.
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Whoever, whoever helped them on that with regards to what it's like being an
00:21:37.888 --> 00:21:44.745
IT guy in a business, not saying that we're all the nerds that those guys are, although some are,
00:21:45.423 --> 00:21:49.718
but the whole, you know, just start off with, did you turn it off and turn it
00:21:49.718 --> 00:21:54.458
back on again to, is it plugged in to you?
00:21:54.458 --> 00:21:58.954
You go to help them and they've left.
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Their desk and left a note and says, Oh, tell me when it's done and I'll come back.
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It's like, we can't even try to diagnose it if you aren't there because you're
00:22:07.358 --> 00:22:12.248
logged into the computer and you've, you know, let it screen save out.
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And we can't, you know, it's like, you have to be, don't get me started.
00:22:17.427 --> 00:22:20.376
People are not, or, or calling the, you know,
00:22:21.409 --> 00:22:28.708
the computer the disk drive or yeah it's just like it's true it's absolutely
00:22:28.708 --> 00:22:34.318
100 true people are not actually familiar with their their computers even though
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they all have them at home.
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Yes true um yeah but certainly but it was it was worse in 1967 so i guess.
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John did your block.
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I could put that in there, and people at home would probably think, okay.
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Magnetic tape. Yeah. Yes. But,
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yeah. And, you know, it would be a lot more boring episode if they had—,
00:23:02.261 --> 00:23:06.348
gone into the detail that would have been involving how they could have tried
00:23:06.760 --> 00:23:08.084
reading and decoding that tape.
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What would have been an easier technique would be as if the invaders,
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instead of an oil fill, they were using earth technology in some way.
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And they had created this tape so they could run it on some of our computers.
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Then this would be plausible, but David Vincent has in the past been very good
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about realizing that if he has a relationship with someone,
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they're going to end up dead.
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Yes.
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And yet in this episode, he falls in love, she falls in love, and she ends up dead.
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He should be heeding his own advice. I mean, all right, fine.
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Sometimes love happens.
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It does.
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Right? I mean, these things happen.
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And, but Vincent really seemed to be encouraging it.
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I'm going to talk about the secretary a little bit.
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Evelyn Bowers.
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Evelyn Bowers. Should have recognized Vincent. I've been there.
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Yes.
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Does every corporate secretary live,
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in the CEO's mansion? Is this mansion the HQ?
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I think the mansion is the HQ. I'll go with that. I think he probably runs his
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business out of that location. in that big office of his.
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But I think there was definitely a strong implication that she's the secretary
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with benefits for the boss.
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I got it, yes.
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Right?
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Okay.
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There was that, oh, you didn't have to get dressed, and I forgot he called her
00:25:01.792 --> 00:25:06.192
dear or something like that. He didn't call her Miss Bowers.
00:25:06.192 --> 00:25:09.322
You didn't have to get dressed this morning. He's, oh, you didn't have to get up.
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Dear it i would never have known she was his secretary by the way he greeted
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her when she came down the stairs i thought it was his wife and then i was immediately
00:25:21.502 -->
00:25:24.632
thinking oh well that's the stepmom but,
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you know and there's going to be the the the tension between the daughter and
00:25:29.382 --> 00:25:36.102
the stepmom because really you know but the daughter and the invader but that would imply that,
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you know, the invaders are fully functional, at least up to that point.
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Doesn't that require something about emotion?
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Well, not necessarily. Maybe they've been programmed to simulate them.
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Okay.
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Right. It's just going through the motions kind of thing. He's an old man.
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She's much younger than he is. seen anything like he's probably happy to get what he can,
00:26:07.171 --> 00:26:10.109
Okay, what I wanted to mention about her was,
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we are told that they're without emotion. We've been told that before.
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We have pointed out in places where they don't appear to be truly without emotion. but,
00:26:23.734 --> 00:26:28.541
she says to the daughter she says my superiors have made it clear to me that
00:26:28.541 --> 00:26:31.688
if i feel fail again i'm dead,
00:26:32.877 --> 00:26:40.111
she says that matter of factly but at the same time clearly she doesn't want that to happen right.
00:26:40.111 --> 00:26:41.245
That's an emotion right.
00:26:42.522 --> 00:26:49.513
Well how would this threat work how would this threat work if you're not worried about dying.
00:26:49.693 --> 00:26:51.591
Yeah exactly she is.
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Afraid and how,
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how would this work so to me it's very soviet union right it's it's very 1960s,
00:27:03.657 --> 00:27:10.060
soviet union if i feel comrade my superiors will kill me you know it's that,
00:27:11.176 --> 00:27:12.501
which of course they're going for.
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These are the communists that are overtaking us. That is the metaphor that they're using here.
00:27:18.736 --> 00:27:25.045
Isn't that meant to be a motivator as opposed,
00:27:25.905 --> 00:27:32.458
not just, I don't want to die, but also all my colleagues, Ooh,
00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:35.109
they really did kill her.
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I better shape up and not get out of line. It's a, it is a, it's a fear thing. It's a terror strategy.
00:27:44.744 --> 00:27:47.774
It's a terror strategy towards the person who you're going to kill.
00:27:48.070 --> 00:27:52.555
And it's a terror strategy towards the other people, because otherwise it doesn't
00:27:52.555 --> 00:27:59.893
make any sense. Even if she failed twice, that is not a good enough reason to kill her.
00:28:00.595 --> 00:28:05.413
They could use her for something else, maybe something that would get her killed.
00:28:06.565 --> 00:28:11.045
Right but okay she can't carry out this kind of plan but maybe she
can fly an
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airplane or she can drive a car and she can shuttle people around or you know
00:28:16.185 --> 00:28:21.278
she can seduce people or or whatever it's it is a waste,
00:28:21.888 --> 00:28:27.431
without benefit to the aliens unless it is terrorizing someone,
00:28:28.364 --> 00:28:32.754
and that makes no sense because they aren't supposed to be motivated that way,
00:28:33.979 --> 00:28:37.585
Unless you're a mutant like Suzanne Flechette, in which case then you have emotions
00:28:37.585 --> 00:28:41.555
and you're looked down upon and treated badly.
00:28:41.555 --> 00:28:47.566
And we see no evidence that the other invaders look down upon Evelyn Bowers.
00:28:48.336 --> 00:28:53.096
No. Now, I will say this. It is also possible that perhaps emotion is a spectrum.
00:28:54.157 --> 00:28:59.959
On the aliens. And so whenever we get a glimpse of it, it's like, it's kind of like Mr.
00:28:59.959 --> 00:29:06.359
Spock, right there. It's, it, it's not quite the same because Spock is of course
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.182
hiding the emotions, but the aliens may have,
00:29:11.009 --> 00:29:15.151
you know, really, really rudimentary ones. Like, and I want to die,
00:29:17.473 --> 00:29:23.477
but I don't know. I don't know. It might explain it, but so this takes me to the last scene.
00:29:24.288 --> 00:29:27.167
Or next year to the last scene, not the, not the epilogue, but,
00:29:27.312 --> 00:29:31.647
but there at the end. So the invader boss shoots her.
00:29:32.622 --> 00:29:37.432
All right. First off, he, he, he totally sparklies Susan.
00:29:37.994 --> 00:29:43.619
Right. And when he gets the information from her, he snaps that thing shut in
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:50.313
his hand and she falls is obviously in extreme pain and she falls over.
00:29:50.848 --> 00:29:57.489
And it feels to me like it feels to me like that was intended to convey that
00:29:57.489 --> 00:30:03.212
he has basically broken the connection off so fast that it's that that is what killed her.
00:30:04.077 --> 00:30:04.899
I was watching.
00:30:04.899 --> 00:30:06.169
That scenes.
00:30:06.529 --> 00:30:09.086
I watched that scene several times i went back.
00:30:09.882 --> 00:30:10.629
As asking.
00:30:10.629 --> 00:30:13.109
Myself what what killed her.
00:30:13.765 --> 00:30:19.083
Right and killed her and i think that's it i think he okay i think by just,
00:30:20.149 --> 00:30:23.311
he didn't care and he snapped the thing away and,
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.879
because that's not what happens to other people when they take it off they don't,
00:30:27.487 --> 00:30:30.779
they haven't covered up they just kind of turn it off quickly but i mean he
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:35.742
just it was like he just ripped it out he's ripping it out of her head kind of thing,
00:30:36.711 --> 00:30:41.319
yes okay because that carries to the the line i want to get to,
00:30:42.521 --> 00:30:46.097
Set the self-destruct, let's get out of
here. So they get out,
00:30:46.399 --> 00:30:49.805
and alien number two says, what about the girl?
00:30:51.003 --> 00:30:55.421
And the other one says, she's done for anyway, which would imply he knew he'd already killed her.
00:30:56.203 --> 00:30:56.525
Yes.
00:30:56.985 --> 00:31:01.075
That what he did, he knew that he had killed her. But the point that I want
00:31:01.075 --> 00:31:03.952
to break out is why did the other alien care to ask?
00:31:04.745 --> 00:31:06.405
Exactly. There's an emotion.
00:31:06.405 --> 00:31:11.835
What about the girl? It felt like he was like, should we do something about the girl? Nah.
00:31:12.624 --> 00:31:14.993
She's dead already. We're about to blow this thing up.
00:31:15.947 --> 00:31:20.958
So I thought that was an odd scene.
00:31:21.173 --> 00:31:28.237
And I think the intent there is so that we could get the response.
00:31:28.798 --> 00:31:30.238
She's already done for.
00:31:31.291 --> 00:31:37.535
Right. That's to tell us that she's going to die. Doesn't matter whether they
00:31:37.535 --> 00:31:38.926
took her or not. She's dead.
00:31:39.999 --> 00:31:43.705
But that's the best I can come up with, because there just is no logical reason
00:31:43.705 --> 00:31:46.772
why that invader would say that otherwise.
00:31:47.945 --> 00:31:50.154
It's just to give us the opportunity for the dialogue.
00:31:51.455 --> 00:31:57.815
Well, speaking of Susan, the actress who played her was Laura Devin.
00:31:59.345 --> 00:32:07.915
And this was one of her last roles Because she retired from acting in 1967 When
00:32:07.915 --> 00:32:11.160
she married Maurice Jarre The film composer,
00:32:12.243 --> 00:32:20.833
But it's very interesting to look up Her record here On her IMDB page She died in 2007,
00:32:22.590 --> 00:32:29.814
And her only other On IMDB page she has Two more credits after this.
00:32:31.196 --> 00:32:34.732
I can't say that I ever recognized her, you know?
00:32:34.865 --> 00:32:38.232
Yeah. She was a character actress.
00:32:40.592 --> 00:32:44.292
She guest starred in various series of different genres.
00:32:45.185 --> 00:32:52.097
And her earliest credit is from 1960. And her last 18 credits is 1967.
00:32:52.803 --> 00:33:02.782
And her only other credit is as a vocalist for a 1975 movie called Mr.
00:33:02.782 --> 00:33:06.750
Sycamore, which her husband scored.
00:33:07.384 --> 00:33:11.407
Ah, well, he probably scored it with her in mind singing.
00:33:12.658 --> 00:33:20.602
Yes, and being the obsessive-compulsive person I am, I did find this movie on
00:33:20.602 --> 00:33:25.777
YouTube, and I hopped and skipped until I found the part where she was singing,
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.035
because I did my homework.
00:33:28.803 --> 00:33:36.612
I like to do it. Well, tell us how much so we don't have to.
00:33:37.052 --> 00:33:39.137
She had a lovely soprano voice.
00:33:40.555 --> 00:33:41.766
All right. All right.
00:33:44.044 --> 00:33:48.959
Couple things. Let's see. Alien
plan has been set back one to two years.
00:33:49.560 --> 00:33:53.045
So they reached the point where the alien spacecraft is three minutes from the
00:33:53.045 --> 00:33:56.447
point of no, that they cannot, that they're committed.
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.133
They're absolutely cannot stop the saucer from coming down.
00:34:00.528 --> 00:34:05.355
It's somewhere within the lunar orbit, according to the thing.
00:34:05.355 --> 00:34:09.936
So they've got three minutes to get the thing off and they abort it.
00:34:10.673 --> 00:34:14.175
And, you know, I have to, the question is what, what does that mean?
00:34:14.175 --> 00:34:19.205
Why can't the ship just go out and circle the moon for a while and then come
00:34:19.205 --> 00:34:21.535
down in another one of their landing spots or something?
00:34:21.535 --> 00:34:25.475
But apparently it has to fly all the way back to their home world,
00:34:25.475 --> 00:34:29.615
which maybe is a year and then refuel and then come back and try again.
00:34:29.615 --> 00:34:33.315
I don't, I don't know what, what I think would have worked better and would
00:34:33.315 --> 00:34:38.335
have been more consistent with the, the superior, right?
00:34:38.335 --> 00:34:42.635
I mean, he just shoots, he shoots the, the secretary, she's failed,
00:34:42.635 --> 00:34:45.995
boom, shot her to, you know, you are useless.
00:34:46.606 --> 00:34:49.995
You're a liability. It's not really a liability, but you know,
00:34:49.995 --> 00:34:53.705
we just, we're going to shoot you and they should have blown up the ship.
00:34:54.344 --> 00:34:58.105
The alien should have blown up their own ship at that point.
00:34:58.105 --> 00:34:59.386
They don't mind killing themselves.
00:34:59.903 --> 00:35:03.725
And each other, they don't mind killing each other. So that would have been
00:35:03.725 --> 00:35:08.707
a lot more kind of like, it's kind of like the camera spring and film all over the place.
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.721
It's a scene that should have been there and it would have made it more,
00:35:13.953 --> 00:35:17.984
probably would have blown the special effects budget, but they could have done
00:35:17.984 --> 00:35:21.274
it on the screen, right? Or they could have just used it in dialogue.
00:35:21.274 --> 00:35:23.128
It's like abort, destroy the saucer.
00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:26.239
And he pushes a button, the light goes off on the chart.
00:35:27.396 --> 00:35:33.861
Easy peasy. And we would, we would totally get not just, you know,
00:35:34.100 --> 00:35:36.212
the aliens don't care if we live or die.
00:35:36.497 --> 00:35:39.604
They are trying to kill us all that. we think that's the case.
00:35:39.604 --> 00:35:43.523
We don't necessarily think they really are trying to enslave the human race.
00:35:43.922 --> 00:35:47.081
They don't care if we live or die. We're just in their way.
00:35:47.899 --> 00:35:54.388
But that's driven home a lot more when you realize they don't care if their own people live and die.
00:35:55.017 --> 00:35:59.534
They're that dedicated to the cause that they will die. So let's,
00:36:02.604 --> 00:36:04.173
see. And the other thing,
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.670
that I thought was really funny to me.
00:36:10.241 --> 00:36:14.640
As, as he said, you know, the language of math is universal.
00:36:15.412 --> 00:36:18.910
Is the language of latitude and longitude universal?
00:36:19.981 --> 00:36:23.609
Aren't those based on coordinates that are specific to Earth mainly?
00:36:24.445 --> 00:36:32.037
Well, I mean, they are, they are based on our, you know, we've made a circle,
00:36:32.484 --> 00:36:37.424
and then somebody arbitrarily said that's 360 degrees.
00:36:38.506 --> 00:36:43.059
It goes by and so yes yeah but it doesn't matter who did it,
00:36:43.745 --> 00:36:49.059
see the aliens use 360 degrees and i know there's radians which is actually
00:36:49.059 --> 00:36:54.359
mathematical formula so maybe that's what they were using maybe that's how they
00:36:54.359 --> 00:36:58.262
interpret it but generally speaking you know it's it's,
00:36:59.237 --> 00:37:04.089
once again it's basically a grid reference to the earth and you do have to be
00:37:04.089 --> 00:37:08.055
using the same grid reference and And there's no logical reason why the aliens
00:37:08.322 --> 00:37:11.809
would be using our latitude and longitude grid reference.
00:37:11.809 --> 00:37:14.789
And maybe, you know, maybe he was just giving that as an example,
00:37:14.789 --> 00:37:16.815
like latitude and longitude,
00:37:17.945 --> 00:37:19.811
But, you know, he recognized that.
00:37:19.991 --> 00:37:21.242
No, he didn't get that impression.
00:37:21.987 --> 00:37:25.661
I didn't either. I got the impression that it was latitudes and longitudes because
00:37:25.661 --> 00:37:27.438
he was looking at a map and going.
00:37:29.711 --> 00:37:32.549
And he said that one of them was near the oil field.
00:37:33.204 --> 00:37:39.354
You also would have to know that latitude and longitude or longitude runs through Greenwich.
00:37:40.168 --> 00:37:46.867
If the aliens don't use Greenwich as point zero, you're not going to figure that out.
00:37:47.642 --> 00:37:49.991
And um one you know they might be using.
00:37:50.446 --> 00:37:58.801
Well one could posit i suppose that the invaders for the purposes of invading
00:37:58.801 --> 00:38:04.751
earth and trying to take over have adopted our longitude and latitude system.
00:38:05.749 --> 00:38:10.931
Well that seems like a dumb idea frankly i mean i get your point i'm not saying
00:38:10.931 --> 00:38:13.333
it's a dumb idea But it would be a dumb idea for them.
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It's like, oh, we speak a language that's so alien, no human being could ever
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understand it. But let's adopt English for our internal communications.
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It is inconsistent.
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It's not a good. You're giving your enemy an
advantage by using their system.
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System and i don't think you are giving yourself much of anything except the
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ability to go buy maps you know from the usgs,
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for you know grid references but i i don't seems to me like they ought to be
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able to work out their own mapping system anyway so they've got this he recognizes
00:38:53.021 --> 00:38:56.030
it a list of latitudes and longitudes and code,
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that looks a lot like what we use for bringing our spacecraft down to Earth.
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So good, good take on that.
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I do have to wonder, though, is it,
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Maybe that database of latitude and longitude, I mean, nobody would use that
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for anything else, right? I mean, it couldn't just be a database of places in
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Yelp or anything like that.
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This is good places for the aliens to eat. You know,
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it's their four square. That's their check-in log.
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Would, here's another one for the title, The Betrayed.
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Yes.
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Wouldn't it have been better if it had been the betrayal? Who is the betrayed here?
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I can see that.
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Vincent, right?
00:39:50.594 --> 00:39:52.365
David Vengeance is the betrayed, yes.
00:39:52.982 --> 00:39:58.590
Yes. So this story is about the betrayal. Not, not.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's just.
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I see your point.
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I don't have anything else on this episode.
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I don't. I. Well, I have pages of notes on the guest cast that I took just because
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I was looking for something that may be interesting. It really isn't.
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Ed Begley.
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So we can move on. The father of Ed Begley Jr.
00:40:24.552 --> 00:40:29.807
Now that usually works. Yep. Every time I see Ed Begley in something,
00:40:30.127 --> 00:40:32.813
I have seen it. I mean, Ed Begley was around for ages, right?
00:40:33.086 --> 00:40:35.570
But Ed Begley was always an old looking man.
00:40:36.046 --> 00:40:42.988
And I'm still thinking Ed Begley Jr. must take after his mother, because I don't see it.
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But we will see Ed Begley Sr. in the second season.
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Okay. Okay.
00:40:52.875 --> 00:41:00.477
And I have notes on the director. Yeah, I have notes on the director, but Mr.
00:41:02.137 --> 00:41:05.709
Lucas, John Meredith Lucas.
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Oh, John Meredith Lucas. Well, that's a Trek name.
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Yes, he directed The Ultimate Computer, The Enterprise Incident,
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and Ilan of Troia from Star Trek.
00:41:17.411 --> 00:41:21.414
He he was a producer on The Fugitive,
00:41:22.825 --> 00:41:31.617
he wrote for Star Trek he wrote The Changeling Patterns of Force Alon of Troias
00:41:31.617 --> 00:41:36.977
in That Which Survives he wrote and directed it,
00:41:38.777 --> 00:41:41.277
yes yes well I gotta say that's.
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Not a great collection.
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I know okay okay and i can go lower than that he is that he wrote the judas
00:41:54.337 --> 00:41:56.407
goat episode of logan's run,
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and that was the one was a sandman who had plastic surgery to look like a runner.
00:42:03.809 --> 00:42:04.417
Oh
00:42:06.457 --> 00:42:07.936
yes nicholas hammond.
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And here we go and and i have i saved the worst for last Bye-bye.
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He is the uncredited writer on, he is the uncredited writer of the Star Lost
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episode, The Implant People.
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He's the uncredited writer. How do we know that? I'm just curious.
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.784
This is off his IMDb page.
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It's on his IMDb page. Okay. Huh. Okay. Huh.
00:42:38.612 --> 00:42:42.479
I might look that one up. The Implant People.
00:42:45.959 --> 00:42:47.039
I remember that one.
00:42:48.359 --> 00:42:53.009
Actually, I take it that wasn't quite last. The last thing is the last work
00:42:53.009 --> 00:43:00.213
he did for television was as the producer of the short-lived series Beyond Westworld in 1980.
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.869
Wow. Okay. Well, I don't know if we're going to get to that one or not.
00:43:04.869 --> 00:43:08.209
It's in my collection of potential shows to do.
00:43:08.209 --> 00:43:09.139
It's rather short.
00:43:10.317 --> 00:43:13.569
It will not take long it's short i'm guessing we could probably do the entire
00:43:13.569 --> 00:43:18.782
series in one go but we'll see,
00:43:21.367 --> 00:43:29.486
it's one of those ones that's like it's so marginally science fiction it's not even funny yeah you know,
00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:35.592
this one's pretty marginal on the sci-fi but at least it's got some but yeah,
00:43:36.184 --> 00:43:41.900
beyond westworld is really just agents infiltrating stuff yes,
00:43:43.410 --> 00:43:48.589
i know laces yeah far more likely to go with manimal.
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Oh, no.
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Manimal's horrible.
00:43:55.506 --> 00:44:02.817
It is. It truly is. All right. And I, oh, I'm going to get it this time. Next time.
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Yes.
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It's Storm.
00:44:04.929 --> 00:44:05.452
Yes, it is.
00:44:05.752 --> 00:44:10.571
So it's the X-Men. I think, maybe not. But, well, you know, let's see.
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Kenneth, thank you for joining me.
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My pleasure.
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Listeners, I hope you'll join us all again next time. On Fusion Patrol.