Why TWO Stings?: WCW Fall Brawl 1996: täielik transkriptsioon

career, it's just it's just inspirational and not just as like listening to wrestling. 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:58.080 It could work for anyone. 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:10.319 He was talking about how you know when you're early in your career, you learn everything and you and you see what works, and then you whittle down and you find the things you're the best at that that people react the best to, where you bring the most value. 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:20.719 And just hearing a wrestler speak like him and have some sort of I don't know, profound interview that I don't get that from wrestling a lot. 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:26.240 And I'm just really happy that he's the champion, and and I I do feel like he's the last real good guy. 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:31.360 And I I kind of don't care what happens anymore as long as Sami Zayn wins. 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.080 And I love that he's what he's the third two-time Grand Slam champion. 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:36.719 Yeah, yeah. 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.319 If you say it, I believe Ms. 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:39.280 and Seth Rollins. 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.199 Yeah, with I think with the Miz and Seth Rollins, he's like the one that's hit it hit all points twice now. 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:49.840 But I I just I just love his whole plight and who he is as a dude. 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:56.000 And I don't I don't know if that was the greatest match in the whole world or whatever, like his first defense versus Kevin Owens. 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:03.840 We've seen him with versus KO so many times, but I feel like I don't need another KO, Sammy Zayn main event on a pay-per-view. 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:05.759 So I'm kind of glad we got that one out of the way. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:13.360 Yeah, I mean, I saw an interesting, a couple interesting posts online about the whole Sammy thing. 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:28.079 First one that I thought was interesting is just that this year alone, there have been, I think it said like seven title changes for the WWE Championship this calendar year, uh, which is pretty fun. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.639 You know, it's unpredictable, I guess, which is cool. 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:41.759 And then um, the second post that I saw was basically a collage of different Carrion Cross uh quotes and things that he was doing with Sammy. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:54.800 Because if you recall, he was trying to, you know, when he was trying to like get shit over in WWE, he was doing a lot of backstage segments with Sammy where he was talking about how like you're not a good guy, Sammy. 00:04:54.959 --> 00:05:01.199 You're you're a bad guy, you know, and the sooner you realize it, the sooner everything's gonna work out great for you. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.600 So the video is basically just like cross is right, you know, cross was right. 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:14.399 I think even as a bad guy, as a heel, I don't think Sammy ever does anything truly underhanded, right? 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:20.800 Like he's not going around like low-blowing or no, he's just whining and and being petulant. 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:27.120 Yeah, but his like he's like a whiny heel, he's not like a dastardly heel. 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:28.560 But he's right. 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:34.399 Like, justice for Sammy is like he he comes back, he's not even on the his show he works on. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.600 They put CM Punk in there out of nowhere, no time to prepare. 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.800 He's not Stockholm City and Sammy, I think. 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.439 Sam well, Sammy is my favorite wrestler of of all time, you know. 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.279 And I I don't say that lightly, you know, it was always Bret Hart until until it changed to Sammy. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.199 And I feel like this dude is just like on the right side of everything all the time. 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:06.720 And and then when he's when he speaks, like as a person, he's like, he's like the best dude in WE, he's probably the best human being in WWE. 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:14.000 And then when he speaks about his character, like when he shoot interviews, it's just so insightful and interesting. 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:19.759 Like he was talking about not having abs or you know, not not having this or not having that. 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.680 And he was like, you know, you have a you have tools, right? 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:30.319 Like if one of your tools is I'm fucking ripped and I have these huge abs or I'm seven feet tall, that's your tool. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.759 Or if one of your tools is I can fly through the air, that's one of your tools. 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:41.040 And he's talking about how his tool and and his his ability, one of his his abilities is just to make people feel something. 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.600 And I feel like when he doesn't match, I feel it. 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:51.279 And I it it might just be because I particularly relate to Sami Zayn, but like I will never like I am a ride or die, Sami Zayn. 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.160 Like Sami Zayn is is like the fucking man. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:07:00.160 So that is one of the things that he's good at is creating emotional investment in crowds. 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.680 He's good at selling, he's good at being a babyface in that way. 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:11.839 For me, I think the matches are starting to get a little stale, just my personal preference. 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:16.399 But I don't yeah, I don't have any, I don't have an axe to grind with Sammy. 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.160 I just don't love him as much as you do. 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:23.040 I think he plays the hits, and I think I think that's kind of what he was what he said. 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:23.519 Right. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.600 He knows what works, yeah. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:32.079 It's like you know the blue thunder bomb is not getting a you know, and you know it's probably

happening twice, right? 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.720 And you know the first Haluva kick is is probably gonna fail. 00:07:36.879 --> 00:08:07.439 And then when he gets it, you know, it's like it is kind of a similar match, kind of like Ric Flair's matches were always the same match, but he was great at playing the underdog, but I do think it's great that he's he's a heel, but really he's talking about justice and he's talking about things that can be defended in front of a bunch of morons who are, you know, wrestling fans who are probably, you know, probably have the worst politics and the worst, like the most dirty lives that you could probably imagine. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:12.879 Like, and he's he's getting like probably some of the worst people on the planet to not like him. 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.120 To me, that's like a babyface move, you know. 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.879 Like, even when he does it, he's like, you know, you guys can hate me all you want, but the justice for Sammy is justice for all of us. 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:22.399 And I and they they hate it. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:30.879 And and when I go to shows like in Bakersfield or something, like, dude, the fucking guys that that boot Sammy the loudest are like the worst, they are the worst people. 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.679 They are they are not people that should be allowed to vote. 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:38.080 So so I I feel like maybe I have like political ties or whatever. 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.159 You know, we're both vegan, we're we both like punk rock, but whatever. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.960 We're both you know, Canadian and Muslim. 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.440 And so I'm just kidding about the last two. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.000 No, Missouri. 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.879 Um fucking atheist from Missouri. 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.159 But but I'm just saying, I'm just saying I love Sami Zayn. 00:08:58.480 --> 00:08:58.960 That much has been. 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.039 This was my um my Sami Zayn appreciation episode. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:06.799 Should we get into the rewind? 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.399 Yeah, let's do it. 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:33.200 It was in Winston, Salem, North Carolina, at the Lawrence Joel Veterans Memorial Coliseum. 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.360 There were about 11,000 people there. 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:44.559 And uh on paper, it looked like a good show, so that's why I picked it. 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:53.360 Interesting presentation as a whole, I I would say, especially in the beginning, because we just start with a video package. 00:09:53.519 --> 00:10:13.360 And this video package is, you know, recounting the exploits of the NWO and how they came together, how they've just run roughshod over the entire WCW locker room, and how people have been joining the NWO and they've just been gaining power or whatever, you know, all leading to this war games match that we're gonna see later in the night. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.200 So the attack. 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:16.960 The attack, yes. 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.200 The heinous attack. 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:25.200 Uh so we see the commentary team, it's Bobby Heen and Tony Shivani, and Dusty Rhodes. 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:30.399 And uh they're hyping up the main event, you know, for what seems like a couple of minutes. 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:36.320 There's just a lot of talking in the beginning of this pay-per-view, and I was like, come on, can we just, you know. 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:43.120 There's a tagline that was really kind of corny that was wanna play with the big boys in a cage. 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.679 I was like, fuck the hell. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.080 Yeah, I don't know. 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:49.600 They were just talking for a long time. 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.120 They're trying to hype up the main event. 00:10:51.279 --> 00:11:00.480 Dusty was talking about how Sting is a part of the NWO now, and they go to footage where Sting attacks Luger in the parking lot and the NWO's right there. 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.480 But it's not like you get a great view of the Sting. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.840 You know, he looks like him. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.159 I was like, oh, what's happening here? 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.360 I don't I don't understand. 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.399 So they're bashing out the limo windows. 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:14.559 Yeah, they're doing all kinds of, I don't even know. 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:27.200 You know, I feel like we already had, you know, and we get plenty of this footage regurgitated to us like every time we watch anything in this era, but like about like the third man and Hogan's heel turn and all that stuff. 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:37.440 But they try to take a trick and just like turn it as many times as they can because they're actually at the beginning of this talking about like who will be the fourth man? 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:42.320 You know, like the fourth man, like that you guys already did the whole third man thing. 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:51.840 Like, we know you're gonna make the whole ro well, we in hindsight, we know that you're gonna make the whole roster in WO, but it's I mean, this is the this is the exciting time though, right? 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:57.200 Because SBA at the beach 96 was a few months before this, I guess. 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:03.600 So the all of this Hogan betrayal, Hogan heel turn NWO is still very fresh. 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:12.000 Yeah, I think I just have a theory that Bischoff, you know, had like one idea and just ran it into the fucking ground. 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:13.679 And he's already doing it, you know. 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.240 13 weeks pass into his 83 weeks. 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:17.279 Or his 84. 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:18.320 I gave him an extra one. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.399 You're so kind, so generous. 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.159 So, anyway, first match of the night, I

wrote in all caps because it just shows up on the screen. 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:27.759 Grudge match. 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.960 And I'm like, oh, okay, it's a grudge match. 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:36.799 And they were doing that in the AWA thing too, like labeling matches as grudge matches on the screen. 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:37.279 So yeah. 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.799 It was Diamond Dallas Page against Chavo Guerrero Jr. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.159 They didn't bother to explain why it was a grudge match. 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:49.279 It kind of like the commentary didn't really make mention of it, I don't think. 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:50.720 So who cares? 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:52.799 We gotta wonder about the fourth man, you know. 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:53.200 I don't know. 00:12:53.279 --> 00:13:10.080 Anyway, yeah, well, and and that's part of the issue with the whole pay-per-view is that this commentary team just loves to talk about shit that's not happening inside the ring while matches are happening, and it maybe it works for some people, but for me, at a certain point, I just start tuning them out. 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:18.879 Anyway, DDP comes out to his knockoff Nirvana entrance music, uh, which always makes me laugh because it's so clearly a knockoff. 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:33.360 And it makes me laugh in another way because for a company that, in my opinion, always understood the value of good entrance music, like some Eric Bischoff bought the rights to a Jimi Hendrix song for Hogan eventually, not yet. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.960 But like for somebody that would have figured that out, this feels so lazy. 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.720 Like, let's just knock off smells like Teen Spirit, the riff. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:43.440 Yeah. 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.240 So yeah, Chavo comes out hot, straight out the gate. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.960 I thought this was a fun, exciting opening match. 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.600 It, you know, Chavo is is the baby face, but people still like Diamond Alice Page. 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.039 Chavo looks great, DDP's selling really well. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:05.120 I just it this match made me appreciate Diamond Dallas Page again, which I feel like we always kind of do. 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.559 Because he's he's just super solid. 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.639 This is probably the best he'll ever be, and that's not to shortchange him in any way. 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:26.399 I saw Chavo uh the other day in a video posted by um Hollywood Haley J, the the indie wrestler that I think she was on the Netflix series of wrestlers, and she's from GCW and stuff. 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.320 But she's at this convention. 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:38.399 Chavo probably doesn't know who the fuck she is, and he's like, you know, at the autograph table, and she puts it puts her camera right in his face, and she's like, How do you think your life would be different if you knew how to get over? 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:40.159 And he was like, What? 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.159 And she was like, How if you actually knew how to get over, what do you think would be different in your life? 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:51.360 And he's like, Well, I'd have more money, so I wouldn't be at this convention and I wouldn't be doing this interview with you. 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.200 That's how it would be different. 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:55.600 I thought it was a pretty good reaction. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:03.120 He was like, Yeah, fucking wish I could get over, so I wasn't fucking here with Hollywood Haley Jim. 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:03.679 Oh man. 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:07.679 But and then and then I watched this and I just thought it was funny. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:14.240 But I mean, he's a great wrestler, but yeah, he doesn't really have something that really totally connected with the crowd, I guess. 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:22.159 No, I mean at this point in this match, he's just the young upstart babyface. 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.000 Which is enough, I think, to carry him through the match. 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:33.200 And obviously, DVP, you know, like doing some very impressive heel stuff to Chavo once he takes control of the match. 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:34.000 I I don't know. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.120 I I liked it a lot. 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:40.480 The the size difference between the two of them made it more interesting, and they both sell really well. 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:49.039 Like everything was like, oh, you know, even though some of it wasn't necessarily them hitting each other as hard as they could, they sold it really well. 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:50.559 Yes. 00:15:50.960 --> 00:16:00.000 Chavo, it's weird because Chavo's supposed to be the baby face, and Diamond does come out not slapping hands and he's smoking his cigar and like whatever he does. 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.720 But Heenan's kind of on the Chavo side, right? 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.399 Like heal Heenan. 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:12.240 Yeah, I don't know, but he Heenan's always like, let me just do the opposite of what everyone else is doing, or or something. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.279 Heenan's like, I wish Nick Patrick was refereeing this. 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.840 Because at some point Chavo hits Paige with a belt and he's like, he would have been disqualified. 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.440 If only we would have had Nick Patrick, you know, Aaron's favorite referee. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.799 He comes in later. 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.039 Chavo doesn't really wrestle Lucha style for a small guy. 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:36.080 At least he's he spends the match just not for the beginning of the match, at least getting tossed around, fighting kind of from underneath. 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.399 And I mean Yeah. 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:45.600 He hits a couple of of things that I would consider to be like lucha moves, you know, a couple hurricanas

and stuff. 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:46.480 Yeah. 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.399 And he eventually makes a strong comeback. 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.519 Yeah, it's it's a it's a solid ass opening match. 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:57.759 You know, eventually the there's an attempted backslide, and DDP gets the diamond cutter on Chavo. 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.919 That's all she wrote for Chavo. 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.559 But you know, it it was a good match. 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.839 I and I I like that at this point I'm pretty sure the Diamond Cutter as a finisher was very well protected. 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:13.839 So like if you noticed when he hit it, crowd popped real big before he even covered him because they're like, oh, it's over. 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:14.880 You know, like that's cool. 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:15.920 I like that. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:17.599 I like that too. 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:18.799 I like a protected finish. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:26.880 Um, Heenan says that the Guerrero family are all quitters and that their dad got laid off 14 times in one year. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.839 I like that they're using the second ring because it's you know, we're leading up to a war games match and there's two rings. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:45.680 And I think I think it's good when they when they toss themselves back and forth because having one having two rings in there and pretending like there's only one is just kind of stupid. 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:57.519 At some point, you also if you're there live at a war games match, you don't really get a good depending on where you're sitting, a vantage good vantage point if they're only staying in like ring A or ring B, whatever. 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.559 If there's a whole ring in between you and the at the ring with the action, you're not having a good time. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:02.799 Yeah. 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:04.160 Sucks, dude. 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:05.279 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:07.759 So I think they did good use of that. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.599 But it seemed all right. 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:14.880 I mean, I don't think it was uh especially exciting for these two, but it was like it was pretty solid. 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:16.240 And and and I don't know. 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:24.799 On this, I have to I have to wait till we like revisit some more matches, but I'm not saying it was the match of the night, but there was definitely worse matches on this card. 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.839 Yeah, no, I thought it was a solid opening match. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:35.359 And then we get a CompuServe segment, which I thought was a nice 1990s throwback. 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:41.599 Um you can chat on your personal computer and go to CompuServe, talk to Harlem Heat and Sister Sherry. 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:42.319 Right. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:44.319 I was like, are we past the 900? 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.079 Nope, because that came later. 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.039 Number era, but that did, but not entirely. 00:18:49.119 --> 00:19:01.200 Yeah, that does come later, but we're showing a transition to like sort of one thing that Bischoff always likes to tout himself about, you know, toot his own horn about is that he was really uh into early internet stuff. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.039 Like he he saw the value in it. 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.000 And he and that was true. 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:04.400 He did. 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:05.359 You can see it right here. 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:11.359 It's 1996, and he's like, come on this website and chat with people, you know. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:22.160 I think the first time, definitely the first time that I ever saw things.com listed on like ads was in the wrestling magazines before I, you know, had internet access. 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.079 And I was always wondering, like, what is that? 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:29.200 You know, like it and then it connected to me eventually, obviously, like probably months after I first saw it. 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:44.480 But but for me, like wrestling did have dot com like had website, you know, it wasn't like something.com, it was like you know, http semicolon backslash backslash www dot wcw dot c o n. 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:45.759 Yeah, that was the whole thing. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.640 But like you would see that stuff listed for sure. 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:59.920 But the second match, we only have eight matches today, which is um kind of a breath of fresh air after our last episode, where I think we had like 132 or 13. 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:01.519 Either way, it feels the same. 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:07.279 So the next one was Ice Train versus Scott Norton, which was uh a submission match. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:09.680 Submission match in all caps. 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.880 Yeah, they they but they blast out on the screen. 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.720 I didn't know anything about Ice Train. 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.720 Oh, did you you want to talk about the package before the before the melt? 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:23.359 Oh, I was just gonna give the meltzer rating for for the first what was that? 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:31.279 Good old Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer newsletter gave this one three and a half stars back in 1996. 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:35.200 So that's actually a pretty good rating for Dave Meltzer, I believe. 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:36.000 Above standard. 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.440 And now that I mentioned it, I brought it up, we'll talk about it, I guess. 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:49.200 So in between DDP versus Chavo and this match that Brad introduced, there's a package about the NWO with mean Gene uh Okerland's narrating. 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:55.200 And it was actually quite informative, especially for someone who doesn't know all the things that we clearly know. 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:59.680 So we see pretty much all of the major plot points of the NWO.

00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:10.160 Scott Hall shows up, Nash shows up, Hogan turns at Bash at the Beach, their reign of domination, you know, how other WW or sorry, WCW wrestlers come together, try to fight them. 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:18.480 Hogan wins the world championship, he spray paints the NWO on it, all this super iconic stuff that we've seen a thousand times. 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:24.160 Um so, you know, it it's it's a little long, like for a package. 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:26.880 It was like legitimately five minutes, I think. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.680 But I did, I was like, oh, oh yeah, okay. 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:34.880 Now so like if there was anything I could possibly have forgotten, I have now seen it all. 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:37.680 Yeah, that's the thing about wrestling, right? 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:46.240 It's like you don't have to catch up with everything every week because the good shit, or at least the things they think are important, they will play for you dozen. 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:47.759 Smart people do. 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:59.680 I mean, that I think not to get too far down a rabbit hole, but I think that that is a criticism of AEW that I can sometimes get behind is like they don't remind you of stuff as much as they could, and I like to be reminded. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.559 I did because I do a lot of things in my life and I just don't I can't remember everything. 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:05.279 Yeah. 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:10.160 A AEW, I guess, is more of the smart fans wrestling company. 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:10.640 Yeah. 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:10.880 Right. 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:11.200 Yeah. 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.880 Anyway, so back to the Scott Norton versus Ice Train match. 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.119 I didn't know anything about Ice Train. 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.160 Scott Norton, we have seen several times on the pod. 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:22.240 He's a brick shithouse of a man. 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.160 And I say that with the utmost respect. 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:26.400 He knew how to fight for real, if I remember correctly. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.920 I feel like he was a judo guy or something, or maybe Taekwondo. 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:31.920 We saw him at Collision in Korea. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.240 He's one of the people featured prominently in the Dark Side of the Ring episode about Collision in Korea. 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:38.400 So we've gotten some Scott Norton exposure. 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.519 He's a pretty funny guy, and uh he hits hard. 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.880 And Ice Train comes out with peanut head Teddy Long. 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:46.000 What else do you need to know? 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:46.480 Really? 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:46.960 Yeah. 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:49.359 But Ice Train's also a very large man. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:56.160 So this is definitely a two meaty men slapping meats kind of match, at least sort of, because it's a submission

match, right? 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:05.119 So right, which is basically an I quit match because though they have a microphone available so the wrestlers can verbally quit. 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.119 So I don't really know what makes this. 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.640 I think even the announcers were like, this is essentially an I quit match. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:17.759 Yeah, they did kind of invalidate their own gimmick match, I guess. 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:32.160 MMA, which was, you know, submission is a tap. 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.960 You know, back then submission was like, you know, ICE, do you quit? 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.079 No, you know, it's like that's all. 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:40.799 Yes. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.039 You know, so it's weird, but um, I don't know. 00:23:45.119 --> 00:24:02.160 I thought it was it was kind of funny kind of match for really chunky men to do because it was mat based, you know, and I was uh wondering, I I I made a note, I was wondering if if you would use the word meatballs for these guys that you've used in the past. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.200 But yeah, I and yeah, it was like a meatball match. 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.039 It was, but they were like mat rests. 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.519 They were doing yeah, it's it's it's what you expected out of a submission match. 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.200 There were a lot of submissions, but they are very large dudes. 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:27.039 So when they end up doing things like suplexing each other or whatever, which they do several times, that looks impressive because the guys are just so stout, you know, like they're lifting a lot of weight. 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:37.359 I don't remember which guy Dusty said that about, but he was like, Who's got about a big of a Zanom as a ham as a Zanama hanging off of a tree, like a tree trunk or whatever? 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.359 And I was like, What are you saying? 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:50.480 Yeah, it it it you know it's not uh anything spectacular, but it was impressive because they were they are both impressive dudes, and there's some pretty brutal stuff. 00:24:50.559 --> 00:25:02.720 You know, there was like a guess it was sort of like a spine buster, but it kind of ended up looking like a power bomb that Norton delivers to ice and then he puts him in a Boston crab, and it it looks like he's really stretching him, you know. 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.039 So uh it was it was fun. 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.480 I didn't I didn't feel like it was an exciting match, it was fine. 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.720 Um, Scott Norton eventually chokes Teddy long a little bit. 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:18.720 Yeah, he he can't he stuck his head into the ring, and I think Norton pulled him in and was gonna slam him down or something. 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.240 And it ends with a full Nelson, which I don't know. 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:30.160 Sometimes I feel like a full Nelson is just like one step above a bear hug, but but Ice Train gets Norton in the full Nelson and wins. 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.640 Have you ever been in a full Nelson? 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.480 I'm sure it doesn't feel great. 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.599 I'm sh I'm sure I've been in a full Nelson. 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.759 I've definitely, you know, implemented the full Nelson on the colour. 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.440 Implementing and receiving are two very different things, my friend. 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:47.119 It's yeah, it's ill. 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.839 I mean, it's obviously in amateur wrestling illegal. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.480 You can do a half Nelson, but but not a full. 00:25:52.640 --> 00:26:06.400 I remember um vaguely the rules from middle school, but but yeah, I mean you are kind of fucked when someone's got your arms and your head and it's most likely got their legs wrapped around your body straining your legs, so you're pretty much fucked. 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:07.759 So maybe it's not that bad. 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:13.519 But I mean, when like Bobby Lashley would do it and stuff, and they're just like standing up, like waving their arms in the air. 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:14.720 I always felt like it was kind of weird. 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.680 I think it depends. 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:21.839 It's very much on the person giving it to make it look like they're really just like it's locked in. 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:32.799 And I liked when Bobby would do it and he would just like whip people back and forth, like the hand waving, not so much, but when he was actually you could see the force that he was whipping people with it. 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:39.119 Well, I would not want to be in a full Nelson with anyone, especially not Bobby Lashley. 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:46.000 But but yeah, the selling was like super corny in WWE's like like hurt lock or whatever he did. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.960 But I mean, yeah, like I said, it is is whatever. 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.799 Dave Meltzer gave that one. 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:52.000 Let me see, I got it here. 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.000 One and a quarter star. 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.640 It was a seven-minute match. 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.400 Okay, yeah, sure. 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:02.319 You know, yeah, it didn't have anybody from New Japan in it, so it wasn't. 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.960 So it didn't get four stars, no young bucks. 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:05.920 Yeah. 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:13.119 And then we get on to the third match of WCW Fall Brawl in 1996, which was interesting. 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:22.160 Triple A, triple A's World Heavyweight Championship, Conan versus Guerrera. 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.000 Okay, it's basically the end is silent if you look at it. 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:28.400 Okay. 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:31.920 Is he related to no? 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:32.640 That's a different one. 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.759 You just call him

Hoovie. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.559 That's the easy way to all right. 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.200 Yeah. 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:44.079 Glad I have you here to give me any pronunciation corrections because I'm bad with that stuff. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.799 Conan has Jimmy Hart as his manager. 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.680 Interesting. 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.359 Uh, didn't remember that those two were. 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:55.680 Well, it was like a new thing, I think, because didn't they say he was part of the Dungeon of Doom or something? 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.079 Uh yeah, they did say that. 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:03.519 I assume that's why, because that was Kevin Sullivan, and Jimmy Hart was a part of that. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.599 So that's probably what it was. 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.880 I see. 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.359 This one, I liked this one. 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.079 You know, it's a the interesting clash of styles. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:20.160 You know, you think Conan being the triple A champion that maybe he would have kind of a Lucha style, but he doesn't really do much high-risk stuff. 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:29.039 He just kind of does brutal, you know, big guy stuff, which is funny because he's not that big, but he's big in comparison to somebody like Hoovy. 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.000 Yeah, I think so. 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:40.480 I guess the most interesting thing about this match for me was just thinking about Conan and like who he is, where he's from, and his gimmick, right? 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.559 So he's a cholo, right? 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:56.319 And Cholo, which is like a Chicano southwestern American thing, he's not from America, and he's also not from Mexico, and he's not from the southwest of America when he did move here. 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.119 He's from Florida. 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.000 So this is a Cuban guy who moved to Florida, so he doesn't really have like a real cholo thing. 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:14.880 They're billing him from Mexico City, but I mean, if you're if we're judging by like where we're from, how far the plane tickets, how far the plane ride is and stuff, like I think Aaron and I are both more Mexican than this fucking guy. 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.279 So I just want to call, I just want to call out Conan for being a fake Mexican. 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:20.160 Jeez. 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.279 But they're but they're saying it's not a fad, it's a way of life. 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.000 He's representing the cholos, and they use the word. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.680 Also, I'm pretty sure cholos never say the word cholo. 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.119 Like, that's not that. 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.480 Yeah, probably not. 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:41.599 Now you also have Jimmy Hart, who I don't know if you guys realize this, but he's also not Mexican and he's not Latin American. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.559 Saying things in Spanish, that was actually pretty funny. 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.640 Viva La Raza! He's like hilarious. 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.960 Like he's praising like an entire race and culture as if he's part of it. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.000 I know I I mean I say this all like you know, because it's fun. 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.480 It's funny. 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.720 The absurdity of pro wrestling is great. 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:06.720 You can be for wherever, from wherever you want to be, you can be yokezuna and be from Japan, even though you're from you know San Francisco or whatever. 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.680 And you're Samoan. 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.599 So so I appreciate that, but I also like to you know talk about it, look into it. 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:17.279 Yeah, poke fun. 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.960 Because Conan, you know, I always I just always thought this guy was, you know, Mexican. 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:23.680 No, he's Cuban. 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:24.799 Tried and true. 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:30.559 Yeah, he's Cuban, you know, and he and he moved from Cuba and he was two, so no real like strong. 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:32.480 Poor Conan. 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.880 Conan just like had one or both of his legs amputated, I think. 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.720 Jesus Christ, that sucks. 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.160 Yeah, so maybe you should feel bad about talking shit about Conan. 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:43.599 I know, right? 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:50.240 But also it's kind of cool to see like Triple AI being represented in WCW back then, you know. 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:57.599 Obviously, AEW made a point as sort of the spiritual successor of of WCW to do the same later. 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:04.799 And then WWE kind of like they have to like sort of stick their fingers in everything, so they own the motherfucker now. 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:11.279 But but that was that was interesting for me to see like their you know their championship represented on this. 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.799 But but the match, how'd you like the match? 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:13.359 I liked it. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.160 I mean I it was okay. 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:24.559 Um who'vey did some fun high flying crazy stuff to you know come back from being relentlessly beat down by Conan. 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:32.640 Like they did do a good job of making Conan just kind of attack in a very thuggish way, like he wasn't doing wrestling moves, you know. 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.119 He was just like trying to beat him up, and Hoovy was doing lucha moves. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:48.480 So yeah, it was I don't know, it was a probably I got a little bored by the end because it was just like Conan does big guy stuff, which is funny because he's not all that big, he's just big for a luchador. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:56.400 And um I mean he even doesn't he even win with a fucking oh he does a splash and a power bomb, like that's a big guy thing, too. 00:31:57.119

--> 00:32:07.200 I think it was a razor's edge, like he did a razor's edge from the top rope, which is like another, like still kind of a big guy, like do that a big guy doing that to a smaller guy, and then that was it. 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.880 Yeah, so yeah, it was alright. 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:15.039 So Conan retains would Dave give that one three and three quarters. 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.079 Oh okay, he liked it. 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:17.519 Solid yeah. 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.160 Well, the next one was Chris Jericho versus Chris Benoit. 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.839 The commentary team let us know that Jericho had only been in WCW for a couple weeks. 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.079 So he'd been on Nitro, right? 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.599 But this is his first like match or first peer review. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:34.720 That sounds right. 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:43.920 And uh because we watched it illegally, we didn't have to listen to uh Jericho's WWF music when he came to the ring. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:49.920 We actually heard his original WCW music, which was completely forgettable and disappointing. 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.759 So, you know, whooped you do. 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:59.359 I I uh I met this guy the other day who was from some shit hair metal band. 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.319 I can't remember any Fuzzy. 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.640 Yeah, did we talk about this in the era? 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:05.680 No, I don't think so. 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:06.640 Did we? 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.720 I don't I can't remember. 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:15.200 But yeah, somehow he was like, oh god, like uh because his brother was in the shop with me and we were talking about wrestling. 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.720 He's like, God, dude, it's to his brother. 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.160 He's like, I didn't know you were still into wrestling. 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.160 He's like, I don't, I know Chris Jericho. 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:36.559 He's like, we had like a fight, you know, because back in the WCW days, he was using and then he decided, you know, that we sucked and like it wasn't good entrance music, but he like said it in an interview, so we saw it and we were like, What the fuck, dude? 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.319 Like, why are you like playing around? 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:44.480 Like, what like how what how do you think you're gonna have a career in entertainment if you're gonna go around like trashing like the music you've used? 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.039 And so they had a falling out and they came back too, and then he's like, I don't know, yeah. 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:56.640 I like we we we go to like Fozzie shows still now or friends again or whatever, but I was like, Who the fuck is done? 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.279 I wonder, I wonder if he came out to dance. 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.200 I don't know anything about the band, but I met the guy, he was he was fine. 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:07.440 I

even though I just said his band sucked on the air, so it does, it sucks. 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.559 You just publicly maligned him as well. 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:18.880 I I agree with Chris Jericho if that was well, and of course Jericho's opponent, I said was Benoit. 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.239 It's Benoit again. 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:25.119 I guess it's my fault for picking this pay-per-view, but we just can't seem to escape this guy. 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:33.840 Uh he's he's he's a big part of of of pro wrestling history, especially you know, when we're going retro. 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:49.679 But did you know, like, okay, so I've heard wrestlers talk about um on some of these podcasts we listen to and stuff about something that you get over, not not in the sense of getting popular, but something that you move past from the indies is you don't look at the crowd and say, Come on, cheer for me. 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.719 Yeah, come on, like Chris Jericho's doing all that. 00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:06.480 He's like, people don't really care yet, and he's he's just looking at them like hands up, moving them up, like, yeah, cheer, you know, which is something that Jericho hasn't had to do at all, like in a long time, you know, obviously. 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:16.559 But he's saying, like, let's go, come on, like please, you yeah, because Benoit, for all of his faults, years from this moment, is over with the fans at this point in time. 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.480 He's a member of the Four Horsemen. 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.239 They really seem to love him. 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.719 He was getting reactions the whole time, everything he did. 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:37.920 Yes, yeah, and as far as how these two guys look, you know, Jericho's a lot bigger than Benoit, like stature-wise, but Benoit is quicker, snappier, yeah. 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.360 You know, a beast, like he's all cut up and shit like that. 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:47.039 Yeah, like he actually looks like he could take Jericho to me in this when I when they come out, right? 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.800 Benoit's just a star, and he's and he's like harassing Jericho, like so. 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.239 You want to be famous, kid? 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.239 Like, he's just talking shit, which I always like talking shit in the ring and stuff. 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:56.639 Yeah. 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.639 Jericho looks good though. 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.000 He's got the he's got the broad shoulders, his long bleached hair. 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.719 You know, he's young, he looks promising. 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:14.719 Obviously, this guy would grow go on to become one of the biggest names in wrestling and all of all time, and Benoit would become, you know, a mass murderer. 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.639 So that we that we regret to have talked about on this on this podcast. 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.960 But but I did like the you want to be famous, you know, like shit talking and stuff. 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.559 That was it's a terrific match. 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.639 You these guys are are at this point in time are both terrific. 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.000 So yeah. 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.480 And Benoit, like, I like it. 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.639 He I mean, I guess it makes sense, but I forget sometimes. 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.119 Like he does big moves off the top rope, right? 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.039 Like jumps off the top rope, like fucking flying headbutt off the top rope. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.559 In hindsight, yeah. 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.519 I I don't we don't have to talk about every time, but yeah, probably not great for the for the fucking CTEs. 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:56.800 But commentary is like Benoit is a Wolverine, he fears no man. 00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.719 And I'm like, I believe you right now. 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.119 He's he's fucking maniac, you know. 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:11.280 So with the back suplex off the top, kind of a weird way to win, but back suplex off the top pins uh Jericho and gets the one, two, three. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.480 And then we move on to WCW Cruiser. 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:17.599 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.000 Um, Dave Meltzer gave that one four stars. 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.559 That might be the best match of the night as far as Meltzer is concerned, if I remember correctly. 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.400 The next match is WCW Cruiserweight Championship. 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:34.000 WCW's always been kind of notable for their mid-card cruiserweight matches. 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:34.800 Yes. 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:40.880 Maybe more so than whatever they do with Hogan at the end of a match, the end of an event or pay-per-view. 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.599 So this one we actually have Ray Mysterio Jr. 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:50.079 Mysterio spelt a little bit different and with the junior still on there versus super callo, correct? 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.519 And Ray is the championship, is the champion currently going into this match. 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.880 And uh it was it was uh it was alright. 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:04.800 Uh a few minutes in, I heard a boring boring. 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.480 I wrote that in all caps. 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.239 I was like, damn, some dude got on the mic with a boring. 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.119 Yeah, that did make me laugh. 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.519 Um, there was just something about Kahlo that I didn't love. 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:24.559 Not a great opponent for for Ray to demonstrate all that Ray. 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:35.679 He was eventually, but I think the beginning of the match, Kahlo, when he was sort of meant to be dominating Ray, it just lacked something. 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.840 It didn't feel as impactful as I wanted it to feel, maybe. 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:40.639 Yeah. 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.480 I

liked when it started off and they weren't really doing a lot. 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:52.079 Dusty is trying to explain what the difference between lucha and American style is, and it's it was kind of like just stop. 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.320 Like, I don't think you have a point to make here. 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.840 He's like, and I'm not great at the dusty impressions, but he's like, they just uh they use a lot of leverage. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:11.840 They you know they they use the rope and then then then they use the turnbuckle, and they they you know, they they they they're on one thing and then then they bounce off of it, and I was like, dude, what the fuck? 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.239 Like, this is the worst explanation of what Lucha. 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.559 Somehow just like that went in one ear and out the other. 00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.440 I don't remember a single thing he said in this match. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:32.480 Yeah, I mean, they kind of brushed past it, like they no one responded to what he was saying, but I was like, oh man, you're just bumbling about like they're yeah, they're like, we're just gonna let this one die on the vine. 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:41.280 Yeah, Dusty, I mean, knows a lot about wrestling, but him explaining maybe Dusty is not like the lucha trainer guy, you know. 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:41.760 Sure. 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.519 Maybe when he was it it was an okay match, honestly. 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.679 It it felt a little boring for maybe the first half. 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.519 It it got better once Rey started to have the momentum of the match. 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:54.480 It got more exciting. 00:39:54.559 --> 00:40:00.159 We saw more Rey Mysterio things, and it had an exciting ending. 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.119 But yeah. 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.039 Can we just say that Super Colo, like he looks stupid as fuck, man? 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:10.400 I mean, he's wearing like a silver mask, sunglasses, and some sort of like small black leather hat. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.360 Like he's like a like a page or like a newspaper boy or something, right? 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:23.039 I was gonna say I he I don't know if he's driving a taxi or if he's in the village people or like it's like a it's like a leather but yeah, like a leather biker hat. 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:26.320 Or yeah, leather daddy at a fucking bear club. 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:31.119 Like, I don't know, but like this guy is fucking he looks he looks kind of stupid. 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:39.599 So anyway, but yeah, he didn't have the best gimmick, and then he he just like wasn't super impressive in the ring. 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.760 And they and they let him beat Ray down for like most of the match, right? 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:58.480 Yeah, so it's so it's kind of like and then Ray gets his shine, but and and I guess it's just when when you think about like the WCW matches from the 90s with Rey Mysterio that we've watched leading up to this one have all been better than this one. 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:08.320 Yeah, and like there's some of like for all of WCW's mid-90s faults, the Rey Mysterio matches are usually have nothing to do with that. 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.400 Like, it's what actually makes the pay-per-view worth watching normally. 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.760 But in this case, not really. 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:20.159 This is like probably for that era for that wrestler for Rey Mysterio, like it was kind of a let time. 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:21.679 You it was a late time. 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.840 He got some shine, he did some fun stuff. 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.440 He he pulled Kahlo outside the ring, and like the referees trying to like pull him back in the ring. 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.280 And Ray's only 21 here. 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.119 He's he's he's doing some shit. 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:43.840 And and Dusty says by the time Ray is is 30, he won't even be able to get out of bed, which is kind of funny because Ray is still doing this shit at the age of 50 something. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:52.159 Uh, and then Dusty says he's like, I know because I'm 36, which is funny because at this point, Dusty was already 50 something in his 50s. 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.760 I feel like Dusty Rhodes, in my mind, has been 50 something his entire life. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.519 He certainly looked like it. 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.360 Like he never looked he never looked 28 to me, or he never looked 31 to me, but but um obviously he's no longer around. 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.280 But uh it's kind of funny. 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.880 I think oh, Dusty was 51 in this pay-per-view. 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.719 He was born in 1945. 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:15.599 I have it right here. 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:28.719 Oh, and we forgot to mention that Ray wins with his finisher, which is basically like he's coming off the ropes, he does sort of a hurricane rana into a pin, uh, and and yeah, he retains his championship against Supercolo. 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.280 I mean, yeah, you'd call that a I guess the springboard hurricane rana. 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:34.400 Yeah, something like that. 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:34.800 Yeah. 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:35.599 It was cool. 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:36.400 I mean, it's cool. 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:42.079 I think maybe they ended up calling it the West Coast Pop in WWE, maybe. 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:42.719 Yeah. 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:48.480 I I think it's interesting because like, you know, this the 619 is like his most signature move, right? 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.960 Would you call that a finisher or just a signature? 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:51.760 More of a signature. 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.239 Yeah, I guess I I don't know. 00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:05.599 I mean, I'm sure they would probably like the the general WWE would want you to call it his finisher, but I don't

know if it is because it's not the the the last thing he does before he pins you. 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:14.000 But it but it is it's cool and it's notable, but it's not it's it's not as impressive, impressive as a springboard hurricane rana. 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:15.360 Into a pin, yeah. 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.440 I think he probably just couldn't do that with everybody. 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:23.599 It wasn't the kind of thing where that that's the thing about the 619 is literally anyone in the world can take a 619. 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.599 Anyone put your head over the ropes, and I won't even hit you, yeah. 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.360 And just pretend like I hit you. 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:30.800 Yeah, that's true. 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:31.920 You and I could do this. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:32.159 Yeah. 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.079 Like we don't even know how to wrestle, right? 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:41.199 Which is thought of which which is what I thought it was funny watching, going back to current product like Roman Reigns versus Penta, which was which is a cool match. 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.480 Yeah, we didn't talk about that. 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:52.239 I know I noticed a lot of times, because I was I was one, you know, I'm sure it's happened, but uh watching a lucha guy do moves on on Roman, I was like, How does this work? 00:43:52.480 --> 00:44:09.679 And a lot of times you just see Roman kind of like lean over and wait for whatever the lucha wants to do, like waiting to be the And and sometimes it's kind of awkward because it's like, why is this beast, Roman Reigns, just leaning over, like kind of like looking around, like what happens next? 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.679 You know, like willing to ready to take it. 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.840 And it kind of took me out of it, maybe because I was thinking too much about it, but but I could see it. 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.360 I was like, okay, as long as you position yourself like this, the other dude can do some crazy ass shit. 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.360 Just fucking domo, you know. 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:26.239 Next match. 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.320 Oh, uh what did what did Dave give the what what did Dave give it? 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:31.920 That that's gonna go on our t-shirt. 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.159 Three and one quarter star. 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:34.800 Okay. 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:36.800 So they're all kind of in the same zone. 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:37.679 Not bad. 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.639 Um, so anyway, next match is for the WCW tag team championships. 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.800 It is the champions Harlem Heat against the Nasty Boys. 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:53.360 Harlem Heat have Colonel Parker and Sister Sherry on their side. 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.760 And uh Harlem Heat are the heels, I guess. 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.719 This one was like almost, yeah. 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:03.760 Sherry Martell. 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.440

I mean, Sherry Martell was a heel enough for everyone, I guess. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:16.320 If that's the funny thing, is like Harlem Heat, they don't really do heelish stuff, they just have heel managers, so then therefore they are heels. 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:17.920 Right. 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:24.000 And that cowboy hat Colonel Parker guy, he is a creepy ass bastard. 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:30.559 Like, like whatever it is, fucking Colonel Sanders looking like just something doesn't seem right about that guy. 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.679 A few crayons short of a full box. 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:35.599 I'll agree with you on that. 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.559 Uh the match, honestly, it was fine. 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.079 It it it wasn't anything special to me personally. 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.280 Um, it's not to say that Harlem Heat aren't very good. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.920 They are nasty boys are fine. 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:48.880 I don't know. 00:45:49.039 --> 00:46:10.159 It's just like it's a typical match where like nobody really wants to nobody really wants to do a ton of in-ring work, so like you just do enough to get by, and then you have the managers do a bunch of interference, and then the baby faces only really get like two moments where they're they're in control and you think they might win, but then then there's more interference. 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:22.079 Yeah, I mean, we've talked about the nasty boys plenty of times, gnarly mullets, you know, they're super out of shape, they're super fat, purple cutoff shirts, graffiti designs, wild, just wild fucking. 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:26.880 They should have called them the wild slobs, really, but that's like their their thing, right? 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:27.599 And in St. 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:33.920 Louis, we call people like this Hoosiers, but in Indiana, that's what they call their sports team, and that's you know, anyways. 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.440 But this match just goes on and on, like nothing is happening. 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.480 It's I wrote down that this is stupid. 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:42.800 The nasties, they can't wrestle. 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.159 I mean, they really can't. 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.519 They don't they don't do anything. 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.119 No, like these guys, they really don't. 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.840 I mean, they're just they're just like a look like Bebop and Rocksteady from the Ninja Turtles to whatever. 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:53.679 And accurate, yes. 00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:03.440 Yeah, like but but I do like Harlem Heat and and Sherry, and and I even think the creepy, like old white guy, whatever his name is, he was Parker. 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.280 Yeah, Colonel Parker. 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:17.599 Yeah, no, I think that they're like a weird, like it's like a strange hodgepodge of of weird carney type motherfuckers, and and Booker T and Stevie Ray, you know, they look uh, they look like athletes. 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.599 No one else in this whole thing does really. 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.239 So Harlan Harlem Heat retains after Sherry interferes with her king. 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.320 Yeah, with Parker's king gets the pen. 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:26.880 Yeah. 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:27.920 It was fun. 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:34.800 Dave Meltzer gave that one three and a half quarters, three and a half stars, which I think is ridiculous. 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.280 I think that match was kind of like a two-star. 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.320 I didn't like it all that much. 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:48.800 But then, but dude, did you see the the WCW uh fall brawl t-shirt commercial after yeah? 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.960 And it was like WCW, what the big boys wear. 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.440 I was like, what just yelling about the shirt. 00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.440 Oh god, yeah. 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:08.159 At this point, Ric Flair realized like his one of his tools, like we were talking about Sammy earlier, is just I can scream and like slobber about anything. 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:08.960 People will listen. 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.559 They'll buy it, you know. 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:16.079 Speaking of screaming and slobbering, we had back with Mike today. 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:19.760 Stop the music. 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:30.320 You know, and does he do this in every promo, or is it just sometimes where he's doing he does like the thinking, thinking, thinking he he does he he's got his tropes. 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.320 I don't, you know, I don't know. 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:40.960 He didn't do he didn't say the same thing every time, but he might as well have for the way he spoke and the amount of sense he made on a regular basis. 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.639 But he's he's gonna fight the giant in defense of WCW. 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.159 He's still team WCW at this point, so he's got something to say. 00:48:52.960 --> 00:49:01.039 He's like he says he's gonna cut the giant in half, and then the giant may only be 44 feet tall. 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.840 And I'm just sitting there being like, what the fuck? 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:06.719 44. 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:08.960 So he's 88 feet tall. 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:10.480 Yeah, right now he's 88. 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.000 Yeah, exactly. 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.920 And his clothes don't match at all. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:18.800 He's in a red and white shirt with neon green pants and a tan cowboy hat. 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:28.159 You know, I guess I'm very aesthetic about my reviews of these things, but this one is just like, I don't know if he was still in WWF at this point. 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:33.199 Like, I don't think Vince would let him go with neon green mixing with red. 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.519 Uh probably not. 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.599 It was it was a strange one. 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.639 It wasn't it was no Slim

Jim outfit, you know, where everything's perfectly matched and shit. 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:52.239 And then we we get then next to the next match, we get the second to last match of this pay-per-view, which is Randy Savage versus the Giant. 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.840 Grudge match. 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:54.960 Grudge match. 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.440 Macho's over with the crowd for sure. 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.320 This one was a little boring too, honestly, though. 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.320 I mean, at least it had the David versus Goliath sort of angle going on. 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.039 Yeah, and Nick Patrick is the referee who's always on the side of the NWO. 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:18.079 Yeah, and then you know, I'll skip most of the match because it was whatever, but eventually Macho slams the giant, which got a huge reaction. 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:20.960 And that was actually impressive to see. 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.559 By the way, while we're talking about the giant, who we're talking about we're talking about big show Paul Rabbit. 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:24.960 Paul White. 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:26.239 He's called the Giant at this point. 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:27.280 I should just mention that. 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.079 Um, but motherfucker is like seven foot. 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:38.400 I didn't think Randy Savage was gonna body slam him, and that did get kind of a pop from me. 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:39.119 I'm not gonna lie. 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:44.719 Like to me, that was a better slam than Hogan Andre the Giant. 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.519 Like it was more clean, like he fucking just head over heels, like slam the sky. 00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.719 Like that is that was cool. 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.559 I mean, I think that alone to me like gives it a couple stars. 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.880 But the rest of this match was pretty much yeah. 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.519 Well, because right after that happens, he's getting ready. 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.800 Macho's getting ready to do the elbow drop, and then Hogan walks out. 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:26.400 After the elbow drop is successful, Macho Man doesn't cover the giant, he just goes and walks towards Hogan as Hogan walks back towards the stage, and then uh Macho's attacked by Hall and Nash and Hogan, and fucking Nick Patrick is just chatting with the giant in the ring, ignoring it all because yeah, he's an NWO stooge. 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:36.320 Uh, and so then he macho comes back in after getting you know destroyed, got hit with a chair a bunch of times, and giant just does something to him and pins him, and that's it. 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.760 It's like, wow, okay, cool. 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.679 Yeah, and this is the this is the NWO booking that we know and love. 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.119 Yeah, it's it's complete bullshit finish. 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:57.119 And I would say the only other notable thing about this match was there was a point, the commentary even pointed it out, where the whole crowd stops watching the match and starts looking at the entrance ramp. 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:04.079 And they're like, everyone's the crowd's all turned away, and they all they're all looking to the right, you know. 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.079 And what is over there? 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.639 And the camera doesn't go over there and they never tell us. 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.840 I was like, Well, that was fucking weird and foolish, but I don't know. 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:20.159 I guess if you just point at something and look in a direction, you can get you know a thousand other people to do that too. 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:28.880 But then the main event, the war game cage comes down, Dusty Roads signature match. 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:40.880 And before we actually get the people coming out to the ring, there's a four horseman interview where Frick Flair is screaming, foaming, bouncing. 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:42.719 Like he does. 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.480 Oh lean, yeah, yeah, I guess he is, you know. 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.079 Yeah, fair point. 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.039 He's uh yeah, big, sweaty, greasy beast. 00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:09.920 It's kind of more how I describe him, but yeah, but the horsemen believe that Sting attacked Luger on an episode of television, nitro, most likely. 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:17.840 But Sting arrives and he's he's supposed to be on their team, you know, on the uh on the WCW side, and he's like, It wasn't me. 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:21.440 And they're like, Yeah, right, bro, we're gonna get somebody else, whatever, right? 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:28.159 I mean, yeah, they it didn't seem explicitly stated that Sting was supposed to be the fourth member. 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:36.239 I think they just kind of like before this whole thing in the parking lot with Luger, where we, as the viewer, are supposed to believe that that was Sting. 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:49.199 Before that all happened, maybe he was gonna be on the team, but after that happened, then the whole story they were telling during this pay-per-view is we don't know who the fourth man of WCW is gonna be, and we also don't know who the fourth man of NWO is gonna be. 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:51.039 Could be anybody. 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:59.280 And so, like Michael Buffer, who you know we always like, gives a little pageantry to to introduce a match. 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:07.280 He comes out, you know, the let's get ready ready to rumble guy, but he explains the war game rules, and it's like it's so dumb. 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.519 It's like, who the fuck understands this? 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:21.119 He's he's saying, like, one wrestler from each team begins, and after the opening period, that team wins the coin toss, gets the temporary advantage for that period, and then a wrestler enters an alternating interval. 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:26.400 So no one can

officially win until eight wrestlers have entered and the match beyond begins. 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:32.000 After the match beyond begins, the match can then end only by submission or surrender. 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.760 And you're like, What wait, huh? 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.719 What does that mean? 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:36.000 What is surrender? 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.800 Yeah, you know, like let the war games begin. 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:45.519 And I'm like, you guys could have, you know, if only Chat GPT existed at this point, you'd be like, How could I say this in one sentence? 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:46.719 Yeah, you know, like or two. 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.440 I wrote down Michael Buffer explains the rules, I glaze over. 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.360 I'm glad I'm not the only one, right? 00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.239 Like, that's that I'm I'm glad I was I was, you know, validated in that feeling because I'm just like this. 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:08.559 And you didn't even really need to give an explanation, but I guess maybe it was nice for the people in attendance in the audience. 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.280 Um, because the commentary team did a really good job. 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:20.880 The graphics, the countdowns all do a really good job of keeping the viewer at home informed about where we are in the match, who's coming next, whatever. 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.559 So it is kind of a convoluted style of match. 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:35.440 I mean, it's not once you know, but when but like if you go to a war games match in modern times with a friend, which I have who doesn't know, and you're kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like the Royal Rumble. 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:41.760 They bring one guy in from each side for a while, and then once they're all in there, it's whoever whichever side gets the first pin. 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:48.480 But it's it certainly doesn't take whatever the fuck, you know, Bischoff made buffer say for that. 00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:48.800 Yeah. 00:55:49.119 --> 00:56:08.800 And I feel like a lot of these motherfuckers, they I don't know, I just imagine them in the creative room, just a lot of drugs or something, and they're just like, I don't know, we do this, and then what if another guy comes out in four minutes and then two minutes, and then and then you you can you climb it up and then you don't climb, and then but you can't do that because that's not surrender. 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:13.119 It's just yeah, I just imagine they're just fucking a bunch of morons, you know, and I love it. 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:17.039 It's beautiful, but it's also it's a bunch of stupid people riding this shit. 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:27.760 For our amusement, uh so yeah, the teams we've we've alluded to the teams before, but NWO it's Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, and someone. 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:33.599 And then WCW is Arn Anderson, Lex Luger, Rick Flair, and potentially someone. 00:56:34.320 -->

00:56:43.360 Yeah, and NWO has Ted DiBiase as their manager, which is interesting how he always kind of lurking. 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.079 Kind of snuck his way into everything. 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.079 You know, he's on everything, you know. 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.199 Wherever the hot place to be is, yeah. 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:57.519 So uh Scott Hall, Arn Anderson are the two that start off the match, and there's nothing pretty about it. 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.280 It's just a fight pretty much the entire time, the entirety of the match. 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:02.239 A good first fight. 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:03.360 They're beating the hell out of each other. 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:04.800 They're beating the hell out of each other. 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:09.679 Nash comes in second because apparently the NWO won the coin toss. 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.119 So which we did not see. 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:12.400 Yeah, we didn't see that. 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:18.320 So now Arn's in a two-on-one situation, and the crowd is definitely on Arn's side. 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.119 The crowd wants to see the heels get their asses kicked. 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:27.119 So I can at least it it makes me happy that at least the people there are invested, they're enjoying it. 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:28.000 I I am too. 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.360 You know, I didn't, it's not an incredible war games match. 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:38.400 There, I've seen better war games matches after this uh in the recent past, but it's fun, you know. 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:53.679 Once Arn sort of comes up from underneath against Hall of Nash, the crowd's like, yeah, you know, they they're like really excited about Arn coming back, selling you know, selling his comeback, but then Luger comes out, and so then it's even for a little bit. 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:55.199 Luger has a hot streak. 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.400 People are excited about that too, but then before long, Hogan's out, right? 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.519 So it's it's a cool little thing where like it doesn't really there were there aren't any lulls, huge lulls, I would say. 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:08.159 Right. 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:49.599 But it's weird, right, to see from if you for all the WCW we've watched, to see the horsemen being cheered for, you know, because that these are like the assholes of WCW historically, and now they're like fuck, like friend of you know, an enemy of my enemy is my friend type of situation, which is kind of cool to see it flip sort of, you know, like the crowd went with the story that they were yeah, like it's it's cool because the NWO they were they were cool at this point, but they weren't where they were gonna be six months from now, where everyone was like, oh man, they're so cool, and they're getting cheered all the time. 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.280 Like they were still kind of bad guys at this point. 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:54.400 Right. 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.559 And you could feel it in the crowd because the crowd was reacting. 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:06.960 Like when Hogan came in uh and got his ass beat for a few minutes, like the crowd was like, yeah, you know, fuck Hogan. 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.239 For real. 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.079 And I feel like the fucking cage was like about to break. 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.400 I mean, it did start to come apart. 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.239 Like they were they were throwing each other into it in kind of a cool way. 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:19.599 Am I crazier? 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.119 It kind of separated a little bit, right? 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:23.199 It was flimsy. 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:25.840 Don't throw someone against that side of the city. 00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:38.800 I think somebody, maybe, maybe someone threw ARN into like the the camera right side of the of the cage, and I was like, oh god, you know, like you could see the bend in it or whatever. 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.079 Yeah, so yeah, Hogan came out. 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.679 It's it's nothing we haven't seen before, right? 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:47.039 But I like it. 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:48.880 I like I like the cage, I like the chaos. 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.480 The crowd is excited the whole time. 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.559 That's what really helped me for this one, especially when Flair comes out too. 00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:00.639 Especially like hair, uh hair, Flair and Hogan having like a standoff. 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.239 People like who isn't gonna want to see that, you know, time and time again. 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.079 But it was that was that was cool. 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.840 Flair is in there, you know. 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:14.480 I I know he's supposed to be the baby face, the defender of WCW, but he's just in there a low-blowing motherfucker. 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:16.559 It's great. 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.840 Yeah, and the crowd volume now is super loud. 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:23.440 Like they're going off. 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:30.000 So it this is more about like, I think war games, it's it's kind of like an all-star thing. 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.599 Like, like, just put all the talent in there, you know, and it's like a moments thing. 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:38.400 The thing about war games now, first of all, there's five people on a team instead of four. 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:47.760 Second of all, I'm pretty sure that the rounds in between when people come in are five minutes, and I don't think they were five minutes in this, what we what we watched. 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.880 So there's just less time to get bored. 01:00:51.760 --> 01:01:05.119 And so yeah, Flair comes out, low, low blows people, gets a bunch of uh of positive crowd reaction, and then it's time for the fourth NWO member to come out, and it looks like it's Sting. 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:07.840 Jeff Farmer. 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.239

Jeff Farmer, yeah. 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:17.360 He's got the he's got the uh the face paint, he's got the haircut, he's got the black tights, and he's got the physique too. 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.719 He does from far away look like Sting. 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:26.800 I was I was gonna say it's it's pretty damn close once you put the makeup on. 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:27.280 Yeah. 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:33.840 Like they they didn't do a terrible job, you know, when they went down to the casting, the wrestling casting company or whatever. 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:35.760 Like they got it, they got a pretty damn good fix. 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:36.800 They did, yeah. 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:41.920 So, you know, it they never show you his face, so you're like kind of something's up. 01:01:42.000 --> 01:02:02.480 And and before too long, uh the the clock starts whining down for the last member of WCW, which we assume is gonna be nobody, but then real Sting shows up and clean's house, you know, just wrecks everybody on the NWO side by himself while all the baby faces just kind of stand and watch him. 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.280 And once he's done with that, he looks at Luger and he's like, you know, is that good enough for you? 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.679 Like, I told you I didn't fucking attack you. 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.079 And but then he just leaves. 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:12.800 Yeah. 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:23.519 And that was where I they kind of lost me, where I was like, Well, if you're supposed to be this bastion of like justice and a true and true, a through and through good guy, like why would you leave? 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.559 Yeah, they need you. 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.639 How can you leave the fucking war games cage? 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.960 Like, I don't know, but like yeah, I thought that was kind of anticlimatic too. 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:41.199 Because this is where this is where it all kind of goes downhill, and then it becomes just like every other NWO thing that we've ever seen. 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:51.039 So Sting leaves, fake Sting puts Luger in a scorpion deathlock, Hogan puts Luger in a headlock while he's in the scorpion deathlock, and Luger doesn't even give up. 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.960 Nick Nick Patrick just says that he does, and then NWO wins. 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.239 And it's like, oh fucking hell, are you serious with this? 01:02:58.639 --> 01:02:59.199 Not even it. 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:08.320 Yeah, and then and then then the next night on Nitro starting their 14th week of the streak, and they said that Luger never actually submitted. 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:14.559 And Dave Meltzer criticized this for how unclear the ending looked and only gave it one and three-quarter stars. 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.880 I don't know if he said the rating on the last one, but it was about the same one and a half stars. 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.920 But uh, it was a trash ending. 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:30.480 But after the match, Randy Savage gets Hogan alone in the ring briefly, but then the NWO beats him down. 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:36.880 Miss Elizabeth wanders out and tries to help Randy Savage, his ex-wife from like a decade before this. 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:38.639 Hogan spits on Liz. 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.960 Spray paint their dress with the NWO on it. 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:58.639 Yeah, Shivani calls it the lowest point in WCW history, and the segment just like keeps going on with more spray paint, more spitting in the camera lenses, a waste of time, and more NWO like posturing. 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:04.559 And yeah, I put meh the NWO was a boring part of wrestling history. 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:08.559 And I I do feel like it's overrated the NWO's whole thing. 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:14.559 It's like it's so iconic, like the the t-shirts and the the fourth, the third man and all that stuff. 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:17.679 When you actually watch this, it's like it's not very satisfying. 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:37.519 Like it really does just everything just always goes to shit with the NWO, just everybody come out and just do the most horrible thing you can do, and have the referee not matter and and don't have and and and don't have anything pertaining to any sort of like illusion of sport or actual like competition. 01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:42.639 It's just kind of like anarchy and predictable, and I don't know. 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.880 I mean, this was it right, it could have been cool, but they sort of ruined it, I think. 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.239 Yeah, you know, at the end. 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:55.519 There was one interesting thing to me that happens towards the end, the very end of the like pay-per-view feed. 01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:12.400 I do agree that it's all mostly just a waste of time, but at the very, very, very end, all of the NWO members start walking towards the commentary table, and the commentators just leave, they flee very quickly, and then they take over the booth for a minute. 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:22.079 Some of them put headsets on and they're talking to the audience at home, and it's very clearly not scripted, so that kind of had an interesting vibe to it to me. 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:27.039 I was like, oh, this is kind of weird, and like, you know, like it felt like a takeover for real. 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:36.719 Like they were something genuine where I was like, they don't really know what they're doing, but they're acting like they they you know, they're the shit or whatever, and like they're cool. 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.400 And I I I did like that. 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:56.000 I was like, oh, that's kind of cool, because that's not the kind of stuff that you see in the highlight reels and on the video packages like today when they're talking about the NWO, you see one thing, you know, where they're like at behind the commentary table, what like ones. 01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:58.000

But this was cool, it's different. 01:05:58.639 --> 01:05:59.280 That is cool. 01:05:59.440 --> 01:05:59.760 I think. 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:06.639 Obviously, it's an important part of wrestling history, but I but like just a few in like tidbits after this. 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:14.639 So this sting was not the crow sting, but this was the prelude, yeah. 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:15.920 The setup for that. 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.119 He wandered off, he was sort of like rejected. 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:27.840 Like he from now on, I I believe he starts to sort of appear up in the stands dressed like the crow and then doesn't speak for a year. 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:32.320 Yeah, so at least it set that up, right? 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:39.280 Side note, Mean Jean's contract expired after this, so he would disappear for a while. 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:41.519 I mean, till late that year. 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:42.639 He did come back. 01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:49.920 But Meltzer's, I think, as we mentioned, his highest rated match on this was uh Benoit, Jericho. 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.079 Which now that we talked about it again, probably one of the better matches of the night. 01:06:54.239 --> 01:07:05.039 Um the main war games match received like whatever, a fourth of what that that that match got as far as that one particular wrestling writer. 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:05.440 Yeah. 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:11.840 The war games match, you know what it kind of just felt like a really long segment nowadays. 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:12.800 You know what I mean? 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:13.519 Yeah. 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:14.239 Yeah. 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.320 Yeah, that was kind of their thing. 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:18.559 Fast forward play! 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:30.320 Here at Grapple City Rewind, we like to give our three-tier rating system at the end of each discussion. 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.039 This one, the three-tiers being fast forward, play or rewind. 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:42.000 Fast forward being it was garbage, play being it was acceptable, and rewind, meaning it was exceptional. 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:43.920 This pay-per-view was Mr. 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:45.280 Aaron Fink's call. 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.320 So Aaron will start us off on his rating. 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.239 What say you, Aaron? 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:52.320 Hmm, what say I? 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:56.639 I say indubitably. 01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:59.280 Uh I say it's a play. 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.239 Uh, it's worth watching, it's not a banger. 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:03.599 It's pretty good. 01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:08.000 Yeah, I think I'm torn between fast forward and play. 01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:10.079 It's weird because there's some matches in this. 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:14.159 It's just how this WCW like late 90s thing goes. 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.800 There's some matches that are like, this is totally acceptable. 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:25.359 Almost everything was acceptable until you get into like anything involving NWO, but it was a port, it was an important part of wrestling history. 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:32.960 And last week I gave this AWA thing that kind of was clunky as fuck, you know, a rewind. 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:39.680 So I think by my current standard, I'll go ahead and give this one uh a play as well. 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:42.720 That one was okay, I guess. 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.680 And we always love to hear from you out there, the grapple gang. 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:49.439 You can always find us on social media. 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:52.319 We are at Grapple City Pod across social media. 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:56.159 We are grapplecitypod at gmail.com if you want to send us an email. 01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:03.039 But the easiest way to contact us is just clicking that link on the very top of this episode description. 01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:10.800 No matter which platform you're in, it should say send us a text or voicemail, and you can just type right in there whatever you want to say to us. 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.359 We'll read it on the air, or you can record your voice. 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:21.279 Or if you're old school and you want to call our hotline, it's 626-657 slam. 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:26.560 That's 626-657 slam. 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.600 Take off the phone. 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:31.600 Take off the phone. 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:33.840 And don't worry, we will not answer. 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.680 You'll just be prompted to leave a message on our Google Voice. 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.119 And we will not pick up the phone. 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:41.119 And we will not pick up the phone. 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:45.600 Oh, let's see. 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:46.880 What do we what do we have? 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:52.159 Uh correspondence from people and listeners today. 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:52.800 Okay. 01:09:53.359 --> 01:10:00.159 Someone wanted to make a correction on our last bonus episode where we had Walter versus Yulia Dragonoff. 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:01.279 Yeah, what did we screw up? 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:02.880 Yulia Dragonoff. 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:04.800 He says, let's see. 01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:09.039 One Ophus says one of us that's not mean. 01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:14.479 One opus. 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:16.640 One. 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:21.840 That's funny. 01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:27.199 He but if I if I sound as stupid in that, he's gonna sound more stupid than this. 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.680 He wants us to know that what are you talking about? 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.199 This is Gunther. 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:34.640 Alright. 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:36.640 Yes, bro, we know. 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:38.800 All right, Ophus. 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:41.760 Let me explain it to you. 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:43.119 His name was Walter. 01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:50.239 Wrestlers change their names sometimes, uh, especially when

they move around from NXT to WWE main roster. 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:52.079 Uh, what else we got here? 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:54.479 M Osus. 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:55.439 Oh, wait, I'm sorry. 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:56.239 His name is Moses. 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:58.800 Now you're just trying to be funny. 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:07.840 His name would have oh, he thanked us for re uh covering something with Mag Magnum TA in the AWA episode. 01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:08.560 Nice. 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:15.119 And said that he would have been an absolute megastar if he hadn't got injured and he should not be forgotten. 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:16.479 So yeah, agreed. 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.840 Magnum TA was awesome. 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.439 I wish we could watch more matches with Magnum TA. 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.920 So, Aaron, this last episode was your call. 01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:28.880 I guess that means the next one's gonna be my call. 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.319 We've been away from WWF WWE for a while. 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:36.640 We'll probably head back soon, but I'm gonna go modern on this one. 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.000 I'm going to go back only 20 years. 01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:44.800 20 years is kind of our rule, our loose rule, folks. 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:53.359 We we break it on bonus episodes, but we like for things to be a couple decades old before we cover them because we are a retro wrestling podcast. 01:11:53.439 --> 01:12:04.239 So I'm gonna go as as close to today as I possibly can in those guidelines for TNA Bound for Glory 2006. 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.640 Because it's 2026 now. 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:08.000 Let's see who's on that one. 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:16.720 And this is fun for me because it's old, but it has a bunch of people that we still watch today or have watched recently in like modern, you know, product C. 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:29.920 We've got we got Jay Lethal on this thing, we've got Shang Douglas in here, we've got Samoa Joe, we got Abyss, which is an interesting one because he works for WWE but never wrestled for that. 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.159 Raven, Eric Young, the guy with one leg. 01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.079 Oh wait, is he the one with one leg? 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.000 No, no, no, that was someone else. 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:39.279 Who's the guy with one leg? 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:40.560 He's in this too. 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:48.560 Sting, Jeff Jarrett, Conan, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Christian Cage, Chris Saban's in there. 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.920 Yeah, this will be fun. 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:51.039 It's it's fun. 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:58.800 It's it's we'll see how the TNA production is from 2006, but you know, TNA, Jeff Jarrett, they had a so old. 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:00.720 2006 is retro. 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.359 Yeah, it's retro, right? 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:13.199 We just watched uh uh the dark side of the ring with Jeff Jarrett about TNA and his his trials and tribulations creating that company. 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.680 So it'll be cool to see that. 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:21.840 It's it's interesting to seeing like Samoa, you know, it'll be interesting to see Samoa Joe at the beginning of his career. 01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:30.560 Christian Cage, after he was kind of already like a little bit, you know, coming down from his career, but he would have a resurgence to Joe. 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:36.720 Joe's already, I mean, he he wasn't at a big company yet, but he was a big part of Ring of Honor up before this. 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:37.920 So I don't know. 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:39.359 Yeah, he's been around a long time. 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:41.359 I don't know how to call it the beginning. 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.960 He already had that crazy match with Necro by this point, too. 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:49.119 Yeah, how old was Samoa Joe in 2006? 01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:50.239 I don't know. 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:50.880 Math. 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:52.000 Let's do math. 01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:56.319 Uh he was born in 79, so 21. 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:58.239 He's 27, I think. 01:13:58.399 --> 01:13:59.520 Is that I think that's math. 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:01.119 So not the not, yeah. 01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.279 I mean, wrestling can start a lot early then. 01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:11.439 But but like in the in the box on the box, like this was a long time ago, and Samoa Joe is like looks much younger on the box, yeah, from what I'm looking at. 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:15.039 But but TNA had like a stacked ass roster, man. 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:15.840 They did, yeah. 01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.119 Whether or not they could they they really put it together with production. 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.520 I mean, I'm curious to watch the old stuff. 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.399 But so we'll be back as soon as we possibly can. 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.800 Maybe even before we cover TNA Bound for Glory 2006. 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:32.960 Maybe we'll come back with a bonus episode if we can, but we will be back as soon as we can. 01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:34.399 Thank you guys for hanging out with us. 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:40.399 It's always my favorite time of the week to talk, to sit here and talk with Aaron about professional wrestling. 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:41.840 Catch in the cheap seats. 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:42.479 Adios.