Didn't have a hope in hell (9 November 2026): täielik transkriptsioon

touch. You ought to be a part of it. As I say, 0800 ATE, 1080 and 92. So did anyone actually not vote? And I can't work out why. I think Andre was, I think Andre was, I think Andre was stirring, was he? I think they'll be analysing that for years to come, what in fact Andre was saying. But yeah, anyway, if you want to be a part of it, 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. We are talking about if you didn't vote, why didn't you vote? And also talk of the Grand Coalition, which, and I have never, I always thought the Grand Coalition is a kind of a pompous name. I thought that's what they did during war times. But apparently in the article today, there's a number of times where it's been talked about where they have had Grand Coalitions. And that's when National and Labour seem so similar. They combine and then ACT and New Zealand First and Te Pati Māori and the Greens and Opportunity Party, they're left to die on the vine. And I guess what happens for them is that if there's a grand coalition, their particular party kind of disappears. We've got a massive chunk. That's what people would want. But then, of course, National and Labour would become one party. 00:07:13 Speaker 3: So. 00:07:15 Speaker 1: I don't know how well that would go. 15 past 8, if you want to be involved, 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. If you want to come through, 16 past 8. Hold your horses. 18 past 8, feel free to come through if you want to talk on air. The number is 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. It's just the kind of critical mop-up. Gosh, there's been a lot written, hasn't there? Jeepers, creepers. I can't work out what votes they count first. And those numbers just kind of hover around. I think watching Labour and National, they didn't sort of vary between 28 and 30. I don't think she ever got up to 30, but just, it's like watching paint dry, literally. DB Marcus, good evening and welcome. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: Thanks. 00:07:56 Speaker 1: Thank you. 00:07:56 Speaker 5: To do with counting, well, they count first. They can start counting early votes almost immediately the polls open. 00:08:08 Speaker 6: Yes, yes. 00:08:10 Speaker 5: They are segregated out in that way, and that's why they can get some results very quickly after the polls close. So that's that one. 00:08:19 Speaker 1: So I'm feeling that the votes they must be counting straight away must be a very good representation of the population at large because they almost, from the very get-go at 2%, they'd almost seem to be the exact number that we ended with at midnight. 00:08:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, it really proved to be very close to the exit. 00:08:37 Speaker 1: Very close. 00:08:38 Speaker 5: And, um, I was surprised when you said that it was a low turnout because the early voting is the most it's had ever. 00:08:44 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's why they thought it could be the weather. 00:08:49 Speaker 7: Ah. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: Because I don't know where you were. It wasn't bad where I was, but I think Auckland had thunder.

And I guess that's something if you sort of feel malaise about voting and then it's a wet day and you think, oh, goodness gracious me, really, my party's probably not going to get it anyway. I can imagine that. 00:09:06 Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I voted early. 00:09:07 Speaker 5: So it wouldn't have affected me. 00:09:10 Speaker 1: But you can't vote early because you missed all the Michael Laws stuff and Qualey and, you know, there's always a twist in the last day or two. 00:09:19 Speaker 5: I absolutely agree with you and it would have changed my vote had I not stuffed up my vote anyway. 00:09:26 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:09:27 Speaker 1: Oh, you stuffed it up? 00:09:28 Speaker 10: In a minor way. 00:09:30 Speaker 5: I thought I was in Southland. Oh, I see. 00:09:33 Speaker 6: And I had it. 00:09:35 Speaker 5: And I had my candidate in mind who I decided I'd vote for because he had impressed me. But when I went to vote, I'm in the cargo. And, of course, no, he's not there. And so I had to make a command decision on the spot. And so I am one of those people that you don't believe exists. I'm a floating voter. 00:09:59 Speaker 7: No, no. 00:10:00 Speaker 1: Believe you exist. I float myself from time to time. 00:10:03 Speaker 5: I have voted blue, red, green, whatever United Futures' colour was, and tartan, which is McGillicuddy series. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: Oh yes, of course, we missed them. Did you think the pen was too thick for the small circle? 00:10:17 Speaker 5: No, and I've heard so many people say they were worried that they could be mistaken for a different part of it. 00:10:23 Speaker 10: It's a pick. 00:10:24 Speaker 1: It's obvious. Well, I thought the pen was very poor. I looked back and thought, hang about. Yeah, anyway. 00:10:29 Speaker 5: And they picked that because there has been complaints in the past, because I used to be a poll clerk, that the pen was blue in colour. 00:10:39 Speaker 11: Ah, yes, they've chosen orange. 00:10:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay. 00:10:42 Speaker 5: So they went orange so that they could have that complaint. There's always someone looking for an angle. Anyway, yeah, it would have stuffed up my vote because I was going to go for the New Zealand first candidate in Southland. But Michael Laws would have done that in for me. That was just stupid. 00:11:04 Speaker 1: Oh, well, you should wait. Always say wait to the end. I said to my partner, I said, how is it you spell act again in a very loud voice? But anyway, I think she got the joke. Nice to hear from you, TV. 23 past eight, 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. Zane, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 00:11:24 Speaker 10: Yeah, g'day, mate. 00:11:27 Speaker 3: Look, I voted way early. I think the second day, which was the day after. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: The long weekend, what's it called, Labor Day? 00:11:37 Speaker 11: I should remember that. 00:11:41 Speaker 3: It was a good bit of light entertainment before the real stuff at 10 o'clock started with Tonga versus the Kiwis in the league. Basically, I didn't really bother too much with the TV. I just went online to the Electoral Commission website Just did the old squiggly thing. You update the page every minute or two. And I was just kept entertained by, in my electric, Michael Wood and Carlos Chung and Roscoe going back and forth, you know, wanting. 00:12:09 Speaker 1: To be 200 a year at one stage. That was exciting. You'd feel you'd want to vote there because it was so close. That's a ripper. 00:12:14 Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a ripper, actually. It was a bit of a ripper as far as keeping my mind occupied before the footy. 00:12:24 Speaker 1: Did you see those Fijian women last night? 00:12:26 Speaker 10: No, I didn't. 00:12:27 Speaker 1: Oh, they were good. And I don't know how many are in the NRLA or whatever they are, but boy, oh boy, that was a courageous performance. Anyway, back to what you were going to say. 00:12:35 Speaker 3: Because I think, you know, a bit of a sceptic early on, I think I'm now starting to come around to women's rugby and women's league. I think it's got a bit about it. as long as I don't get too injured. But look, a grand coalition, no, not for me. I think Labour and National are just too ideologically different. I mean, they're at the two different ends of the spectrum. 00:12:58 Speaker 4: Aren't they? 00:13:00 Speaker 3: And really, after what happened today with the Prime Minister doing a complete 180 backflip about Kilo Wong and Opportunity Party. That's just like nothing I've ever seen before. This is my opinion, and I know lie is a strong word, but to me, he lied to the nation, barefaced, time after time, day after day, press conference after press conference. And as soon as the election finishes and he knows after the specials, a one or two-seat shift away from him, he is going to need opportunity. all of a sudden, oh, yes, we'll have a relationship with him. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: I'll pick up the phone and talk to him. It's not going to help his credibility because that's a really important thing. as if you were going to prepare to work with the party. 00:13:52 Speaker 3: Look, I know people blame the media, and I'm not saying I'm blaming the media at all, because I think the media in New Zealand genuinely do a great job. But I think they really do need to be harder on him than they have been in the last 24 hours about this opportunity thing. I think they need to say, I know it's a big word, that word starting with L, but they need to say, look, Mr. 00:14:12 Speaker 1: Well, I think you're I think you're just quoting what someone said on the radio. I forget who it was. Someone, I think, on this morning's radio said that word. And I think it might have been someone from the Greens. But anyway. 00:14:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was about something else. But no, I couldn't bear to support a government with a prime minister. as far as a grand coalition goes. Look, what National do if they decide to roll Luxon anyway and get

Stamford or Mark Mitchell in there? Because they will have way more credibility if they do go on opportunity because they never actually said that they wouldn't. I think I can live with that even though it's not my side of the political aisle. But I couldn't stomach a Labour National coalition with, in my opinion, a barefaced liar in charge of the country that's It's just not my cup of tea. 00:15:04 Speaker 1: Zane, thanks so much for that. Get in touch if you want at 8.27. Someone said, Marcus, you're calling the media going about Luxon saying 19 times he wouldn't work with Topper, missing a big point. It's unbelievably naive. There's a massive difference between what he wanted planned to do, what he said, and what the electorate tells him they want him to do. Well, no, I think that Luxon needs to know the reality of what the votes are going to come and are likely to be, and they're asked about that. we've got the polls, they're quite accurate. People have asked him if this is the situation, would he go with opportunity? And I know in this seat a number of times I've Googled it because I suspected that there was going to be a nod in that direction, but yeah. And I thought I'd missed an interviewer actually going about that and said that he would. But no, it's clear that he said he wouldn't. But anyway, there's plenty to talk about and I'm happy with that. Get in touch if you want to. I have got texts, people, so I will go back and get all those out to you too. So thanks for all the texts coming through. Yeah, nice to hear from you. This is the third text through God Change the Subject, which I imagine should be God! Not God Change the Subject. It is probably the one day in the year you should talk politics. Sorry, it's probably the one day in the triennium you should talk politics. So it's Marcus, good evening. 00:16:22 Speaker 9: Hi Marcus, I agree with what you just said. But talked about a lot is the Grand Coalition. And it's probably one of the most practical ideas, I think, under the present circumstances. With Nicola going, the next best would have to be Barbara Edmonds. She's got solid experience and was a tax lawyer for, I think, 10 years. And I think that could actually work, you know, I really do. 00:16:59 Speaker 1: I just wonder if you'd be signing the death warrant for your party, because what would people vote? If you go a grand coalition this time, in three years' time, you've got National and Labour back on the ballot, well, people would think they're the same thing, wouldn't they? I just don't know how you split apart after a grand coalition. I have to look how they've done it in Denmark and all those other countries where they've had it. 00:17:22 Speaker 9: Well, it's like you were saying earlier. about the wartime grand coalition. Well, that worked well, didn't it? And I think our country, like a lot of others in Europe, is at a crossroads with the situation we have at the moment. And what we need and we're short of is stability. That is one missing factor that's really important, Marcus. 00:17:49 Speaker 1: Is it what, sorry? 00:17:50 Speaker 13: Stability. 00:17:51 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 00:17:54 Speaker 9: You know, with the issues arising lately, a lot of countries, including ours in Europe, are very unstable, and we don't know what's around the corner, and we have to have stability. And that's the way I kind of look at things. 00:18:16 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you. Thanks so much for that. Marcus, the guy who... said he'd voted Green for his electorate National Party vote to help Luxon. Can anyone explain to me how that would help the right bloc? I don't think he got the memo. I think he was tricky, but too tricky. Dan, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 00:18:37 Speaker 10: Marcus, how are you, mate? 00:18:38 Speaker 1: Good, thank you, Dan. 00:18:39 Speaker 10: Welcome back. Hey, I'm really, really frustrated because I took Luxon for his word that he wasn't going to have anything to do with opportunity, and I'm not a Luxon fan at all. In fact, I actively voted for opportunity to... try and give Labour an extra coalition partner so they could hopefully get the left across the line. And to hear today that he's just going to go against everything he said in the campaign and that my vote might help him, it just makes me sick. He's got no credibility, man. 00:19:13 Speaker 3: I miss. 00:19:15 Speaker 10: Oh, I'm so frustrated with it all. I mean, what would happen if Winston turns around tomorrow and goes, oh, I ruled Labour out, but I might go with Labour. 00:19:22 Speaker 1: Well, he still could. He'd have every reason to do that now. And if they gave him the prime ministership, if I was him, I'd do that. 00:19:31 Speaker 10: Yeah, 50-50. Do it like you did with the vice with Seymour. Do it with Hipkins. Go 50-50. 00:19:40 Speaker 1: And I'm also... Sorry, mate. Yeah, no dramas. I saw them talk to Kweli at the Eden Park, and she was quite keen to talk to him straightaway. 00:19:50 Speaker 14: Away. 00:19:50 Speaker 1: And look, they're a different crowd. None of them have been in Parliament before. I think the seven from Opportunity. But I can't work out why you'd talk to the party with the most seats rather than the party with the most votes. With the highest votes, exactly. To me, that has more credibility because literally you're saying more people voted. for this party. 00:20:13 Speaker 10: She's basically backing up Mowbray in that with their strategic voting rather than going for the people, the most votes. 00:20:20 Speaker 1: Well, the thing, and we'll put Mowbray aside, but some of my reading today was a guy in newsroom, Jonathan Milne was writing about the reason that National won so many of the electorate seats. He puts down to incumbency. If you are one of the local. 00:20:41 Speaker 1: MPs for Epsom oh that's not right because that's Seymour for Invercargill or for Southland or whatever you're turning up to every school prize giving you're

at every field day you're everywhere so people get to know you and you're familiar so you get returned yeah that's right so it's called incumbent you know it's it's not the overhang it's people because the last time National had so many seats people just say oh he seemed like a good bloke he gave them a daughter of the science prize at school, he seems like a straight shooter, have a crack, give him a shot, and that's it. 00:21:15 Speaker 10: But I mean, I just took him on his word that he had, that 19 times I heard today in the afternoon show that during the campaign that he emphatically ruled them out. So I figured that opportunity was a vote for the left. For him to turn around today and, you know, offer, you know, he's going to need her because he can't just have a government with a one seat, because what happens if something happens. 00:21:38 Speaker 1: During the time someone... I don't think Peters and Seymour would go into a coalition with Opportunity, because, I mean, those guys are old school. They're not going to like some smart young party. I mean, you've seen some of New Zealand's first attitudes towards women. I mean, particularly if she gets a portfolio... they'll be kicking off. 00:22:03 Speaker 10: I know, and it's just the way he's done a backflip on it, and then it's made, like, I just hope, like, Winston, he should be ringing Hipkins tomorrow and going, hey, man, how about this Prime Minister thing? 00:22:16 Speaker 1: Oh, it'd be great. Because we could find, I mean, see, the world's, it's like Prince Charles. He's been trying to do it for 50 years. 00:22:24 Speaker 10: If it's good for luxury, it could be good for winning too, can't it? 00:22:28 Speaker 15: Yeah. 00:22:30 Speaker 1: And I think people would enjoy that. And finally, you know, it's one and done. He's gone. Three more years and there'll be 85 or 86. 00:22:37 Speaker 8: He's going anyway. Anyway, mate, good talking to you. 00:22:42 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you too, Dan. Text through. Marcus, we voted then spent last three days at Lake Mavora, no coverage. Nicola Willis out. What a real genuine shame. That was the bit that I thought was weird, was Lux had talked about how all these people are his great friends. But if he'd sought his act and stepped aside earlier, those people would have been back in. They'd got 5% more with a new leader. That would be my take. I don't know if he'll last the whole term. I don't know. But everyone seems, all the commentators seem to, mind you, the commentators are just the same as talkback callers, aren't they? Anyway, 24 away from 9. Looking forward to your calls. Be in touch if you want to. Heddle 12. Someone said, Marcus, please give us a break for the elections. It's been morning, noon, and night. Well, it will be. It will be for the next three weeks. And then it'll all kick on again, I would think, because elections, you know, people are into them. I thought 74% was pretty good, but I don't know what percentage of people are enrolled. Stephen, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 00:23:36 Speaker 14: How are you going? 00:23:38 Speaker 15: Good, Stephen. 00:23:41 Speaker 14: I'll just refer, actually, the last guy that was speaking, he said the reason why he voted for opportunity was to get rid of Luxembourg. I don't understand that theory of voting because surely you don't vote for a party just to get rid of someone. You vote based on the policies and the the outcome that they're going to produce for the country. 00:24:01 Speaker 1: Oh, I think under MMP, people vote for all sorts of reasons. They want a particular combination of parties to get together. And when we've got that 5% threshold, if it means that party that's just hovering around 5% will be there, that might be a more effective use of your vote. 00:24:22 Speaker 16: I understand. 00:24:22 Speaker 14: So that's why opportunity, but they're a centre-right party. 00:24:27 Speaker 1: Well, that's not clear. 00:24:30 Speaker 14: Well, it was. It was described by Gareth Morgan, who's the founder this morning. He said we're a centre-right party. 00:24:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's changed lots and some. That's according to my interpretation. But yeah, fair enough if you want to, but that's not how I see it. He actually, actually, he actually categorically... But Gareth's gone now. It's a different party. 00:24:49 Speaker 14: Yes, but he categorically said this morning that the policies that he created are still in place. 00:24:54 Speaker 17: And they've all sent. 00:24:56 Speaker 14: All the right policies except for the land tax, which he doesn't agree with. 00:25:01 Speaker 1: And emissions and bottom trawling. 00:25:05 Speaker 14: Bottom trawling, that's, I mean, my father was a commercial fisherman, so if you want to get into bottom trawling, I can talk to you about that. 00:25:12 Speaker 1: Oh, no, I don't want to get into it, but I think these are new policies that have happened. And I think it's probably, I mean, most people going about Gareth have all been about cats. 00:25:24 Speaker 14: Yeah, the other thing is about, like, when you... They talk about the swing voters and their number of seats. Like, he was talking that because National got 42 seats and because of the... Well, if the shoe was on the other foot, I bet you he wouldn't be complaining. 00:25:38 Speaker 1: Are we talking about Gareth Morgan still? 00:25:41 Speaker 14: No, your last caller, he was talking about. 00:25:43 Speaker 17: Oh, damn. 00:25:43 Speaker 14: because National had 42 seats and they shouldn't have had 42 seats because New Zealand had. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: I think he was talking about what Luxon had said. That's all he was talking about was, but anyway. Tanya, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 00:26:00 Speaker 10: Hi, Marcus. 00:26:01 Speaker 18: Hey, I just want to share with you my journey on voting. So I vote in the, what you call the Māori electorate. And so when I, I think I rang you up about it, and

I said that there was only three candidates and they were both, Labour winged parties and I wasn't represented in national and that sort of stuff. What's come out of that is I've made a complaint to the electorate commission to say that the voting, as voting law goes, is that any voter needs to be able to vote for any party that has the opportunity to vote for all parties. And so what I've suggested. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: Hang on, Tony, what was your situation? 00:26:49 Speaker 18: I went to vote. 00:26:52 Speaker 1: Are you blind? 00:26:53 Speaker 18: I was in Wellington. I voted in Wellington. It was in the electorate for the Māori votes. There's only Te Whare Māori, Greens and Labour for the electorates. 00:27:05 Speaker 19: Sure. 00:27:06 Speaker 12: Yeah. 00:27:07 Speaker 18: Do you want to research that before you want to carry on and talk to me about it, or. 00:27:12 Speaker 18: So what. 00:27:13 Speaker 1: Are you on the Māori roll? Is that where you are? 00:27:15 Speaker 18: Yeah, so basically what I've done is I've complained to the electorate commission to say that all parties, if they are going to run for Parliament, must have two Māori seats, one to pass the motion and one to second it. And that would be passed as law. I've got hold of the Māori courts. So in registered Māori. 00:27:43 Speaker 18: To party Māori in them didn't get in, but Māori has to be represented, be able to be represented in all parties. So yeah, that's what I've done. So that's what you think. 00:27:51 Speaker 12: How about that? 00:27:52 Speaker 21: Pretty good, eh? 00:27:53 Speaker 1: What electorate are you in? 00:27:55 Speaker 20: Wellington. 00:27:56 Speaker 18: Tauranga National Wellington. 00:27:57 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: I don't really understand any of it, Tania, but as long as the people you spoke to understood you. And I mean, yeah, that seems like a fine kind of thing that's happening there. But yeah, good on you. I mean, that's it. Everyone's got good ideas about elections and all, Food for thought. We've all come up with ideas about what's to make it smoother or more interesting or more peppy. Be in touch if you want to. HETL 12 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. Keep you updated with news. 00:28:25 Speaker 3: Marcus. 00:28:41 Speaker 1: Marcus, people voted for National, but then Winston jumped to Labour in 2017. 46% National, 35.8% Labour. Why is everyone crying this time? No one's crying this time at all. I think in 2017, Winston hadn't ruled anyone out. People were upset that he'd gone with this smaller party. People were furious. So what I think people are upset about, if I'm reading the mood of the nation, they're upset that Luxon said he wouldn't work with Opportunity. There was that weird thing on the TV coverage where they had Mark Mitchell trying to sort of be the bugler and say, oh, well, actually, we've changed our mind. It would be pragmatic. But the time to say it'd be pragmatic is before the election, not once the results come

through, because otherwise it looks like you're shifty, shifty, shifty, shifty. Someone said Opportunity GM is ex-national minister. Isn't it interesting what people say, eh? And I don't know, you can't say something whispers anymore You know what the word I'm looking for. If you're thinking about Ian Lee's Galloway, he was a cabinet minister in the Labour government. So he's the GM of top. That's my understanding. So yeah, I mean, Just don't text through lies or check them. Well, you text through what you want, but that'd be my take. I'm liking the texts too, the private texts. Keep those going. Hetal 12, 14 to 9. Hetal 12, good evening, 12 away from 9. Second lowest voted turnout ever, 74%, which still sounds pretty good to me. If you didn't vote, why didn't you? And I'm not going to be judgmental about your reasons, but if you're enrolled, why wouldn't you vote? I'm just trying to think, because I felt malaise before I went to do my tick, and I did think the pen was wrong and the layout was bad and the circle was too small. A minor quibble, really, when people fight for democracy. What about some of those countries where they put your pen in ink and dye your finger? Stuart's Marcus Gooding. Oh, so what we are talking about, yeah, and if anyone had an election party, and what about a grand coalition? And were there sausage sizzles outside near the booth? Stuart, Marcus, good evening and welcome. 00:30:59 Speaker 22: Yes. 00:31:00 Speaker 10: Yeah, I. 00:31:03 Speaker 22: Rang up on, I don't know, it must have been Saturday morning, and I wasn't allowed to say after I'd been down to my voting booth in West Melton Community Centre. I'm on the mayoral electoral roll, and I knew who I was going to vote for. One was Nicola Gregg. which is national, and the other one was that. Well, all the party votes were on the left-hand side, which is good. And then on the electoral roll, all you had was Labour, the Greens, the Party Maori, Independent first or something, and legalised cannabis, and there might have been one more. Well, I didn't want any of those, so I went up to the woman at the booth, and I said to her about it, and she said, oh, well, that's what happens when you go on the Maori electoral roll. And I said, yeah, but where's my, you know, woman that I want to vote for in Zalwood? She said, well, they're not on there. And I said, well, that's a bit rough. And then one of my mates happened to turn up into the booth as well. And I happened to owe him some money. And I said, G'day, mate. 00:32:28 Speaker 23: How's it going? 00:32:28 Speaker 22: And he said, Yeah, good. I said, Who are you voting for? And he looked at me strangely because he's still sitting at the booth getting his paperwork done. And he looked strangely at me. And I said, Yeah, I'll give you 50 if you vote for ACT. And then I got a bit of attention. And then I said, not enough, 150. I owed him 450, you see. And I kept increasing it. And I said, look, make it 400. And he's going, what? And I said, 450 and that's it. And he said, the keys are in your car on the floor. 00:33:08 Speaker 1: Very good. Thanks, Stu. Keep it going, guys. Nine to nine. Hetel 12, seven away from nine. Good evening. Feel free to get in touch if you want to. Lisa, it's Marcus. Hello. 00:33:19 Speaker 24: Hi, Marcus. Yeah, I think a lot of the reason that Luxon might have did what he did in ruling out the top party was because it seems to me the old party older established parties just couldn't get their head around the fact that there might be someone new in town sort of thing. And they just assumed that they wouldn't make the 5% and that it was safe to say that. And then, um, when things started changing, he didn't want to go back on, on what he had already said, you know, they don't like to, to turn around on what they've, they've already committed to. Um, And, you know, after the vote, after Saturday night, when most of the votes were counted, Sunday morning, they're all sort of saying, oh, we might have to work with these minor parties. Like, it was a revelation to them. Oh, we actually have to do this. You know what I mean? They're so entrenched in, oh, it's Labour or National, Labour or National. We don't have to worry about these minor people. And that's the way it's been since I left school in 1987. Nothing changes. Labour, National, Tweedledum, Tweedledee, doesn't matter. They all do the same thing. And that's why a lot of the time I haven't voted. And I'm now, you can imagine, I'm around your age. I'm 58 now. But a lot of the time I haven't voted because it makes no difference. They all do the same thing. 00:35:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. But, I mean, we get different policies. We get things that no one's done before, don't we? I mean, you say they're all going to do the same thing, but I mean. 00:35:16 Speaker 13: They talk. 00:35:16 Speaker 24: About different policies, but they don't do it, is my take. They say, oh, we believe in this and we believe in that. But in the main, they tend to do virtually the same thing. They bring in lots of immigrants to help prop up the businesses, to give cheap wages to the businesses. They've been doing that since 1987. They've propped up the housing prices for a long time. They've suddenly realised that's maybe not such a brilliant idea. 00:35:49 Speaker 1: You'd vote New Zealand first then, wouldn't you? 00:35:51 Speaker 24: I did, actually, yes. 00:35:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, so you've got to be honest. Jeepers. We're honest to admit, but you can't say you're not going to vote for anyone. Anyway, hey, we're just ambling towards the news. People, if you want to come through and talk, I'll catch you after the news. There's two lines there, free. Get in touch. The number is 0800 80 80 and 9292 to text if you want to be a part of it. Anything else you want to say, it'd be nice to hear from you. So yeah, get in touch. You want to talk on here. Heddle 12. If you didn't vote, why didn't you

vote? How do you feel about not voting too? Is it a good feeling? I guess it probably is. That's my take on it because, well, I suppose it is true. You can't really complain from here on in. But it's the second highest... What's weird is quite a few people voted during that COVID election. Remember that? In fact, I don't really remember it. But yes, get in touch if you want to talk. Mark is still 12. And more lines will be becoming available. But you've done very well. So 0800 ATTATI and 9292 to text if you want to be a part of it. And I'll check around for any other news internationally that we've got happening also too. But yeah, if you want to be a part of the show, it's good for me. I've been away for a couple of weeks. It's quite good to talk politics. Quite enjoying it. Catch you in a bit. You could even welcome here till 12 o'clock tonight. I hope it's good in your neck of the wood. Are we rudderless? Are we rudderless? Well, there will be an interregnum, I guess. Romance along at midnight. We're not rudderless. Romance coming at 12. But we are talking about the mop-up from the election. 00:37:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:37:28 Speaker 1: What I was amazed by is from the very beginning, when 2% of the votes were counted... The percentages didn't really change in four hours. It kind of wasn't much fun to watch. I mean, some of the commentators in the column, some of the commentators, I thought, ended up watching TV3. It was pretty good. And they watched the rugby, obviously. And that was pretty good too. That was Tonga. Nothing's quite as good as the Samoan-Tongan match, so that was unbelievable. They should take that match to Vegas instead of, Vegas round instead of the four random teams. I think that would be much more impressive. Because, man, have they got passion. Ben Marcus, welcome. Good evening. 00:38:07 Speaker 25: G'day, Marcus. Look, I see Polymarket's got 85% chance. Hipkin's gone by the 1st of December. And, yeah, look, I got into the. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: What else has Polymarket got? 00:38:23 Speaker 25: It hasn't got a lot else. It's got on forming the government. I think it's a 90% chance that the government's back. 00:38:33 Speaker 1: Has it got a chance of Luxembourg being rolled? 00:38:35 Speaker 25: No, it hasn't got a chance of Luxembourg being rolled. 00:38:40 Speaker 1: How do you get that to be on Polymarket? Can anyone with any money just put that up? 00:38:46 Speaker 25: Oh, you can view it, but you can't bet straight from your debit card, you know, not from here in New Zealand because, you know, it's illegal to place bets on Polymarket. 00:38:56 Speaker 1: It's easy to get around though, isn't it? 00:38:59 Speaker 25: Yeah, you just run a VPN and stablecoin and that. Yeah, it's completely easy. But look, just on the split voting, so I got really into the split voting. I split voted sort of by pretty much the outcome is what I expected. 00:39:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:39:15 Speaker 25: I would like them to change the law, though, so it can't happen again. 00:39:20 Speaker 1: How would you change it, Ben? 00:39:23 Speaker 25: I'm not sure, but I just don't think it goes with the spirit of democracy kind of thing. I know the Maori Party are done it for a number of elections, but yeah, I just. 00:39:33 Speaker 15: Don't think it goes. 00:39:34 Speaker 1: I think this was the first election the Māori Party were talking about that. Because the Party Māori hasn't been around that long. 00:39:40 Speaker 25: No, well, look, they've done the overhang previously, but yeah, I think it's the. 00:39:44 Speaker 10: First time they've actually pushed it. 00:39:46 Speaker 1: How old are you, Ben? I'm 37. 00:39:47 Speaker 25: I'm 37. 00:39:49 Speaker 1: Did you ever vote in first past the post? 00:39:51 Speaker 25: No, no, no. So the first time I voted was like the 2005 one, actually. 00:39:57 Speaker 1: Because if you vote in first past the post, right, unless you were in a really close election, no, unless you're an electorate which was really close, there was no point voting. So say you're in Rimuedo where I was and Alan Hyde and whatever, you know, the Tories are on 80%. So if you voted for anyone else, There's no point because the guy was always going to be there. So I think people have forgotten how futile and meaningless voting in first past the post was. It was terrible. 00:40:29 Speaker 25: Yeah, but my concern with this is now is we've seen how it works, we've seen how it happens, and we can completely stack the deck for next time. National consistently wins more electorates, eh? 00:40:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:40:43 Speaker 1: Well, they talk about incumbency, and that's because they're people. And I think as those number of seats go down, you know, because, I mean, I imagine that National gets turfed out next time. They're not a three-term government. They're barely a two-term one, right? So then there'll be the clean sweep, probably the electorates of Labour. And then incumbency comes in. So it means if you are the local MP, people are more likely to return you because they've got to know you and they like you. So I reckon it could exactly work better. It could work and it could be screwed the other way as well. 00:41:19 Speaker 25: Yeah, look, it could go Labour, it could go National. I just reckon there's going to be a lot more fighting for local electorate seats now that people have seen how this works and what can be done. And then I'm worried that we're going to blow out to 150, 160 MPs. You know, that's what I'm worried about. 00:41:38 Speaker 1: I can't work out why Labour doesn't put more effort into getting good electorate candidates for some of their local MPs. Because I tell you what, some of them have been pretty patchy. It seems, I mean, certainly in South, in Invercargill, not so much this time, but normally they brought someone in from somewhere else. I mean, they must be able to find someone in Invercargill who can run. It's been really. 00:42:02 Speaker

25: I've seen that Invercargill lady won by like 10,000 votes. 00:42:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is amazing when you have any experience with the Invercargill Hospital. They've got a guy with a catheter in for 1,000 days or something. They've got no urologists in an underfunded healthcare system. So anyway, don't get me started. 00:42:21 Speaker 25: Yeah, just quickly, Marcus, on the votes that are left, the specials, I see that last time there was about 700 of them and now there's only about 400. 00:42:32 Speaker 10: I was. 00:42:34 Speaker 25: Seeing Chris Lynch put up that Labour needed to win 125% or something of what they got last time with special votes in order to just draw level with National as a hung parliament. So if you've got 200,000 less votes and you need 125%, it's not looking good. 00:42:56 Speaker 1: Oh, but, yeah, but, yeah, I don't know the robustness of that, but, yeah. I think they think two seats will go the other way. Will they, one or two? I think that's what, and, of course, one or two means a difference of four, doesn't it? Could have two go for one. 00:43:11 Speaker 25: Yeah, but the way the overhang works, because Nationals have got no party vote, if their party vote drops, then they get another overhang seat. So you've got an even bigger Parliament and it counteracts the other seats. 00:43:23 Speaker 2: I understand, yeah. 00:43:25 Speaker 25: You're no better off than what you were. So it's pretty much game over for Labour at this point. 00:43:31 Speaker 1: Nice talk, Ben. Thanks so much for that. Yeah, 700 days. The guy with a catheter because of a lack of urology or urologist. So that's the healthcare system. Fears Southland's urology service could collapse as surgery is cancelled. So yes, Fay, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 00:43:54 Speaker 15: Marcus, welcome back. Welcome back from your holiday. Did you make it through Taranaki this time? 00:43:58 Speaker 1: Faye, it wasn't a holiday. 00:44:00 Speaker 15: Oh, sorry. 00:44:01 Speaker 2: Sorry. 00:44:01 Speaker 15: I beg your pardon. 00:44:02 Speaker 1: That's all right. But, yeah, so, yeah, that's the situation. 00:44:05 Speaker 15: Okay. 00:44:07 Speaker 1: But, yeah, so. 00:44:09 Speaker 15: I'm confused. 00:44:10 Speaker 12: I'm confused. 00:44:11 Speaker 15: Do you remember two or three years ago there was a little lady in Parliament that stole dresses and underwear and things, and she got caught out and she had a fight? She was on one of the panels on Saturday night. 00:44:25 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:44:25 Speaker 15: Did you notice that? 00:44:27 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:44:27 Speaker 15: Oh, I don't think that had anything to do. She shouldn't have been, I don't think, once you steal all that. 00:44:32 Speaker 1: I thought most of the criticism was about Paul Henry, who was a candidate, who was a panelist. That's what I'd heard. 00:44:38 Speaker 24: Yeah. 00:44:39 Speaker 15: But when she was on, I thought, how? You got the bums rushed from the Parliament and

you're sitting on the panel. 00:44:44 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:44:44 Speaker 15: Very strange this time. 00:44:46 Speaker 1: No comment on that, Faye, but thank you. Jay, it's Marcus. 00:44:49 Speaker 2: Good evening. 00:44:49 Speaker 1: Good evening. 00:44:51 Speaker 17: Hey, Marcus, how's it going? 00:44:52 Speaker 1: Good, thanks, Jay. 00:44:53 Speaker 4: Hey, just sort of like leading up to the actual election itself, is this, for being how close it is, is this a reflection on national over the three years? Had it been this close, had they done a good enough job in the three years they were in government, why was it this close? 00:45:16 Speaker 1: Oh, from my understanding, Jay, if you're in, If you get elected to government in New Zealand, you always get two terms. It's only once, I think it was Bill Rowling's government, that just went one term. So for this to be so close after just one term, because normally you get in and it's all new and people love you and you get returned with an increased majority. So everyone said that this does not reflect well on Luxon's leadership or on Simeon Brown as campaign manager. That was all the discussion. You know, it's very bad to almost be a one-term government in this country. 00:45:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. And I think the way their campaign, how they ran it, it just didn't reflect on National itself. 00:46:07 Speaker 1: Well, there were no ideas. All their ads were about attacking the Green Leader. I think seriously, their online ads were a weird obsession with Chloe Swarbrick. 00:46:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the whole lonely Texas. Like if they had gone as a different approach, I think. 00:46:30 Speaker 1: Everyone would have looked at them in a different way. If they'd been positive and shown leadership and said, okay, this is what we're going to do. They need to have some ideas. It was just a tap from the very beginning. 00:46:40 Speaker 4: And that's what I think as a general, as New Zealand, we don't really see that as a good way because we're still, as a country, we like to make it a fair fight. We don't like to attack each other. I think that's what we've been. And I think when National came out attacking the Greens and attacking all the other parties saying, oh, because all they had to say in their campaign slogan was no new taxes. Yeah, okay, you've got no new taxes, but what else do you guys have? you know, as a party. And that sort of, that's reflected on this result. That's the way I look at it. 00:47:17 Speaker 1: And I think... Jay, you might be able to explain this to me, right? Why did they not put their Nicola Willis and Gerry Brownlee and Chris Bishop and Paul Goldsmith, why didn't they put them. 00:47:32 Speaker 1: Why didn't they put them in a winnable seat to do something? I can't work out how they managed to just throw those people out. They were their best and they've gone. And I guess that's... I guess that's the problem when you win more seats than you've got places

on the list. But still, it feels weird to me that they couldn't strategize to get their high performers back in. 00:47:51 Speaker 4: I think this comes down to a leadership. I think this comes down to Chris Lux in itself. Because I don't think John Key as a national leader back in the days would have done that. And I think this is reflecting on Luxon himself. He's sort of, there's that mindset like, okay, they're gone, I can get some new guys in. You know, and it's probably just, I don't know, probably a reflection of him being, you know, a CEO of a company. 00:48:22 Speaker 17: You know, employers. 00:48:24 Speaker 4: Employees are replaceable but. 00:48:26 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right and you've also got to think okay well if someone's gone you think okay well that's over and then you start the focus on the new you're quite right that is the business model isn't it people get tuned over quite quickly yes. 00:48:38 Speaker 4: And i think it's quite sad because i'm from lower hut and to see chris bishop gone not not so much gone as the electorate but he's out of government and that's why oh that's pretty sad because he's been in government for five years And just to be replaced like that, it's pretty sad. And it's pretty sad on Luxon not even mentioning him in his speech as well. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: Well, I think he was going to roll Luxon, and that's why. It's punishment. 00:49:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is punishment, but then what about Goldsmith and Willis? 00:49:13 Speaker 2: It's pretty brutal. 00:49:15 Speaker 4: Isn't it? Like myself, I wouldn't I wouldn't be a politician. And yeah, it is, it is brutal out there. Like you're, you're friends one day and then, you know, you don't even get mentioned the next day. 00:49:27 Speaker 22: So. 00:49:28 Speaker 1: Did you see any, did you see anything of Bishop in Lower Hutt? 00:49:32 Speaker 7: I did. 00:49:33 Speaker 4: Like, I think, I think, You can sort of see it in the parties with the generation of these days, like Labour and the Greens are real active in their social media presence. And I think National have just started to jump onto it. And it's quite sad. I think in the last week, Chris Bishop was just putting a lot of videos and a lot of posts on Facebook saying, oh, you know, I've been leader. I've been in government for 12 years. It was almost a cry for like, vote for me, please. And it was quite sad because it was like every second day he was putting out a post saying, vote for me, I've done this, I've done that. 00:50:15 Speaker 1: So you think he panicked too late or something, do you? Is that what happened? Because I was seeing that sort of stuff and I can't quite work out what it was because maybe he was busy with other stuff. But Ginny Anderson, she is quite, I mean, she's a likeable sort of a person. 00:50:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've got to remember that Hutt Self is a red domain. 00:50:34 Speaker 1: Yep, okay. 00:50:35 Speaker 4: And, you know, Trevor Mallard held it, and, you know, and Juni held it, and then all of a sudden Chris Bishop won it. So there was always going to be that sort of, that boundary between, and because Chris Bishop is a Hutt boy as well, so that was sort of what tore apart as well. But it was quite sad, and it was just, Just the whole Chris Luxon not even mentioning him, and that was real sad because, you know, he gave 12 years to the government. But he was also, he did a lot over the three years with the whole transport and the whole, you know, RMA reform. 00:51:11 Speaker 1: All the pundits always said he was the best performing of the National Party ministers. 00:51:18 Speaker 16: Oh, he was. 00:51:20 Speaker 4: And for myself, like, I work in the building industry. 00:51:23 Speaker 14: I'm a project manager. 00:51:25 Speaker 4: So for him working on the RMA reform, that sort of helps me in my field because that opens up a lot more work and a lot more just work for developers as well. And we're in the business of building houses and it's all about quantity because we're trying to build houses. And just with a lot of red flags, I think Chris Bishop has done a lot to sort of take those away and then sort of allow us to do what we can do and what we're good at. 00:51:55 Speaker 1: And the weird thing is Ginny Anderson, I presume, would have gotten on the list anyway because she was 12 on the list. So that's why I can't work out. But I see that in Wellington, they reckon national support was at 20% because of all the redundancies and layoffs and things like that. So Wellington was the place where they really fell out of love with national. So, you know, because I can't work out why in Lower Hutt they didn't vote for Bishop and just get Anderson on the list. 00:52:22 Speaker 5: Well, that's it. 00:52:24 Speaker 4: And even, like, I worked in a commercial construction company in Wellington, and it was about a year ago, and it's just so dead, so. 00:52:34 Speaker 17: Quiet up there. 00:52:35 Speaker 4: And, you know, lunchtime, you couldn't walk through Glampton Quay, but now it's just so dead and so quiet. And it's real sad because a lot of public servants have gone, and that's what brings businesses to Wellington. You know, you've got the foot traffic, you've got... People that are going away to buy lunches and spend money on a weekly basis, but to not have that, that's probably why it's reflected with only 20%. 00:53:05 Speaker 1: Jay, thanks so much for coming through. I appreciate your call. It's 23 past nine. Back in a bit. Here until 12, feel free to give us a call. It's 26 past nine. Colin, it's Marcus. Good evening. 00:53:15 Speaker 8: Yeah, g'day, Marcus. 00:53:15 Speaker 17: How are you? 00:53:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, thank you. 00:53:17 Speaker 10: Great. 00:53:18 Speaker 8: Hey, just a couple of things from that previous caller I was just listening. And my understanding was the option was there for the list MPs who missed out to go into electorates that weren't there. But you'd

look at Nicola Willis's case. She's Wellington-based. 00:53:34 Speaker 19: Exactly. 00:53:34 Speaker 1: Four kids. 00:53:35 Speaker 8: Husband working in Wellington, for them to move, you know, six months in advance before an election to another area they hadn't represented was just not a goer for some of them. And they honestly thought that they would still get in, but it's just the electric vote went so high. 00:53:53 Speaker 1: So what do you do? If you're the National Party committee, then do you... move around some of your candidates and put weaker candidates in some of the electorates so more list people will get in? Is that what you do? Because they must have known this was going to happen. 00:54:09 Speaker 8: Well, I don't think they did, because I think that they always thought that they'd get a few, you know what I mean? 00:54:14 Speaker 23: Yeah. 00:54:14 Speaker 8: And that just went one way, and you could argue perhaps the vote spitting went against them a bit as well, you know? 00:54:21 Speaker 17: Yeah. 00:54:22 Speaker 8: And the second thing about the idea that Luxon didn't really lift Bishop off in the speech... He'd talked to Bishop beforehand and it was agreed he wouldn't be put on the speech because. 00:54:33 Speaker 1: He was a candidate. He still thought he could win. 00:54:35 Speaker 8: Yeah, he hadn't conceded at that point. 00:54:38 Speaker 1: But this was midnight, eh? 00:54:39 Speaker 8: That was canvas. That was out on the media over the last two days. So it's not Luxon not putting people in the right places and it's not Luxon howling bitter. 00:54:52 Speaker 1: Has he acknowledged him since? 00:54:54 Speaker 8: I haven't listened to everything. 00:54:56 Speaker 3: No, I haven't either. 00:54:57 Speaker 8: I don't think he's made a speech as such. But then, of course, Bishop's only come out at 10 to 6 tonight and said that he was conceding. So, yeah. 00:55:08 Speaker 1: Just trying to think about MPs that have been great and have come back in, you know, in Cabinet. I guess Michael Wood is one guy that was there and then he's left and he's back in. I don't know whether Bishop, I mean, Bishop, would he be back? Because he seemed to be someone that was chomping at the bit to get there. and has moved quite quickly. He's probably done his dash, has he? Do you think he'd come back in? 00:55:27 Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, I suppose it really depends what he does over the next three years, and it's really interesting because he made some serious comments on either Jupiter City Island tonight about the fact that he's been a poor dad and a poor father, and if he finds a position he enjoys and it gives a better family life, I don't think you will see him. 00:55:50 Speaker 10: Back, will you? 00:55:51 Speaker 1: Work-life balance. Because I tell you one thing, everyone bags about politicians, but they do seem to work long hours. A lot of reading. 00:55:59 Speaker 8: Oh, yeah. I mean, and that's the thing he said. He said it

would be great to be able to go away with the family over the holidays without a satchel of notes in the corner of the house, you know. 00:56:10 Speaker 1: Well, maybe you might realise that being a parent and a partner is not all it's got out to be. It's quite nice to have an escape route. 00:56:18 Speaker 8: Well, I don't know what the Opportunity Party MPs will do because they will have nothing to do. 00:56:23 Speaker 1: No constituents. That drives me crazy. That drives me crazy. 00:56:28 Speaker 8: Absolutely, and I should be paid half the price. 00:56:32 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, because none of that sitting in your office with people on medical waiting lists with health problems. I'm hearing you. I'm going to run for headlines, Colin, but nice to talk. 00:56:40 Speaker 8: Thank you. 00:56:41 Speaker 1: I'd like to congratulate all the callers for being so level-headed, which is lovely. Sometimes after the election it can be a little bit fraught. But, yeah, that's right, the old Kule Wong. Every time I hear that, I think that Neil Diamond song, and I can't work out what, anyway. Yes, of course, none of them will have constituents. And I think there's seven MPs, I think, for the Opportunity Party. It used to be called Top, but there you go. Be in touch if you want to talk here till 12. Very exciting, Invercargill is at the supermarket, and there's a woman in the supermarket with a pineapple. And you never see a woman with just one pineapple. And she was, anyway, long story short, I'm not quite sure where the segue was, the world aerobics champions. The world aerobic championships are in Verkagel. So we have world aerobicists at the supermarket shopping in their kind of national tracksuits. Quite exciting, I thought. I don't know, it was still a thing, aerobics. Remember Brent Fairweather? Remember that all those years ago? That guy that was, must have been the 80s. He was like a New Zealand aerobics phenom. I don't know what's happened to him. Pete, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. You there, Pete? 00:57:57 Speaker 20: Yeah, how you going there, Marcus? 00:57:58 Speaker 1: Pete, good, thank you. 00:58:00 Speaker 16: You there? 00:58:01 Speaker 25: Yep. 00:58:02 Speaker 22: Yep. 00:58:03 Speaker 20: Yeah, I hope you had a bit of a break. 00:58:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, good. 00:58:08 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:58:09 Speaker 20: Yeah, just going back to the politics, I reckon Chris Pritchard was overrated. He blew out all of his budgets when it came to the roading and all that, all these plans. He went, oh, we haven't got that money, we can't do that. So I'm looking at his background now. He hasn't done much. He's run a backhoe... tobacco company for a while. 00:58:26 Speaker 1: I think he was a lobbyist for a tobacco company. I think he was a lobbyist. I think that's what happened with him. I think it was sort of a smart debate at university, then worked for a tobacco company, then ended up in politics. So you're probably right. 00:58:38 Speaker 20: Yeah, so he hasn't done really much running a company or doing... He's one of these typical politicians that get in there, he jumps on his little white horse and goes for it and He did a lot of, and also all those developments up here. He forgot about Auckland. He was footy to go up there and build those three units on one piece of section on that. He just basically is trying to tear Auckland apart. 00:59:07 Speaker 1: It probably needs to be torn apart. You've got to build up. You can't just keep building out and out and out. I thought he was seen as someone who was a moderate. He wasn't kind of a fundamentalist. He was a moderate within the National Party. He wasn't one of the Christian right people. 00:59:29 Speaker 16: Oh, no, he wasn't. 00:59:30 Speaker 20: But then quite often, too, all those developments there, you think before now they've got to move all that stuff, all the you-know-what all up north or whatever, to get rid of what you've got to get rid of. And all this fast-tracking stuff, and I reckon you're getting a bit too far with that. If you build it, I think David Seymour's got on that, before you build a subdivision, you've got to make sure you've got your pipes, your pumping stations in place, before the developers can move in and start building houses or whatever. So basically, he didn't think about that one. So basically, he was a bit out of control. 01:00:07 Speaker 1: In some ways. Should we be kicking him while he's down? 01:00:13 Speaker 20: Oh, that's life, isn't it? Politics, that's the way it is. You win stuff, you lose stuff. 01:00:17 Speaker 2: Fair enough. 01:00:17 Speaker 20: You know, you've got to be the big boy. You've got to wear the big boy's pants on. You can't handle that. Well, if you do things wrong, sometimes. 01:00:24 Speaker 16: You pay the price. 01:00:25 Speaker 20: Maybe people just thought, well, you know, the things that he did, like how I think, maybe thought, no, he's a bit of a loose unit. 01:00:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. 01:00:32 Speaker 20: If I did a job like that and I found out I wasn't doing it right, I'd expect to get my knuckles sort of whacked a little bit as well, but he just kept on doing it. I reckon he's got a bit out of control, personally. 01:00:45 Speaker 1: Anything else from you, Pete? 01:00:48 Speaker 20: Oh, no, I sort of voted and did the thing you have to do as a person, you know. But I'm still not happy with Winston Peters, how he hasn't handled that Michael Laws issue. 01:01:01 Speaker 1: I was away from all of that. And tell me about Michael Laws. No one seems to think that was good what he did. Is that right? 01:01:10 Speaker 26: Not at all. 01:01:12 Speaker 1: That shows we're pretty good. Because he's had a lifetime of saying extreme things. I've worked with him. He's fairly full on. He's one of those people that loves to wind people up and get a reaction and say inappropriate things. 01:01:26 Speaker 20: But he's not even in Parliament yet.

Basically, he's got foot and mouth disease. Has mouth got him into trouble? And how will he handle that? You listen to all the shows that when he's with. 01:01:40 Speaker 20: Ryan, all that. And when he just put his little lawyer's hat on, thought he was going to get away with it. When he had the opportunity to deal with it right then and then, he's not going to be a member of our party. End of story. Matter gone. And also, New Zealand First lost a lot of votes. I listened to Kerry's talkback shows last week. And a lot of people were going to vote for New Zealand first. They went to ACT or whatever, another party. 01:02:06 Speaker 1: Okay, so it certainly lost votes. Okay, because I thought, because from my, and I wasn't really involved with the news in the last three weeks, but from what my understanding was, is that a lot of people thought it was just a media set up and it was just a, yeah, it was a stitch up on laws. But actually what you're saying, and you've got your finger on the pulse, you thought actually people were upset that it lost New Zealand first votes. 01:02:30 Speaker 12: Oh, definitely, Hal. 01:02:32 Speaker 20: When he had the control of the steering all that day, he should have just made it quite clear. Michael Laws is now gone. He's got nothing to do with our party. When he got away, he would have got the respect of New Zealand first, so he lost that respect because he handled it the way I'm going to deal with when I get back. We can't do it because the lists are all out. He made excuses to try to keep them in there. As far as I'm concerned, Chris Luskin won't even... He won't even deal with him. So he's a bad apple from the day when he moves into Parliament anyway. So why would you want to deal with the guy? 01:03:02 Speaker 1: They didn't lose your vote for New Zealand First, though, did they, Pete? 01:03:05 Speaker 20: Well, I had no choice. Because I thought about it, I spoke to him. I was almost going to put my paper in the Act box. But Act is for, he's not doing nothing but the gene setters. Electricity can't rip us off. But when he is gone, he's going. 01:03:18 Speaker 8: To tear them apart. 01:03:20 Speaker 1: So you swallowed your dislike of him and voted for New Zealand First anyway? 01:03:24 Speaker 20: Well, to get what I saw, hopefully Winnie's going to do what he said he's. 01:03:29 Speaker 1: Going to do. Nice to talk, Pete. 22 to 10. 20 away from 10. Alison, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:03:36 Speaker 7: Welcome back. I'll try and be level-headed. I'm just going to say the attack ads on Chloe worked against them completely there. That was a bad, bad what they did there. I possibly wasn't going to vote at all, and because of those ads and everything, I voted for the Greens party first. Last time I voted for New Zealand First, but when, nothing to do with the law, that didn't come into it, but when Winston Peters sacked whatever he did with Phil Goff, I decided back then I wasn't going to vote for the New Zealand First because of that. 01:04:05 Speaker 1: That was out of Trump. And boy, he's, boy, Trump's been giving as much in orders in the States, hasn't he? Goodness me. 01:04:12 Speaker 21: Wow. 01:04:13 Speaker 7: What he said, Phil Goff was actually correct. Nobody else would back him up there. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:04:19 Speaker 7: But nobody had the... He was the only person that stood up and said that, you know, and I agree with what he said, but nobody else was weak there. 01:04:26 Speaker 20: Yeah, so. 01:04:27 Speaker 7: And I do think that David Seymour would be good as the finance minister, but I also think they should get a new minister of health. I think Simeon Brown's too weak. 01:04:35 Speaker 1: Well, the health system's in crisis. It's terrible. 01:04:40 Speaker 7: So that's one they should change there, but I do think that... David Seymour would be a very good finance, because he does all the farm act and does all the medical, he's in charge of that, and it would be good to have him controlling the finances. 01:04:53 Speaker 1: Are you glad you voted, Alison? Oh, yes, I am. 01:04:57 Speaker 7: I went down at five o'clock, I thought, what's the best time? And I thought to myself, everyone will be watching the chase on TV, I'll go down there, you see, and there's no accusers, nobody down there, so I picked the right time. 01:05:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you, Alison. Nice to talk to you. Thank you for that. 01:05:11 Speaker 3: Wow. 01:05:12 Speaker 1: It's an interesting vote. Joyce liked that a lot. Tania, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:05:16 Speaker 9: Yeah, hi, Kia ora. 01:05:18 Speaker 26: Hi, just talking about Christopher Luxon and his 19 times I have ruled out the Opportunity Party. Unequivocally, I've ruled out the Opportunity Party. So we're in a bit of a cadundrum now, aren't we? Because, obviously, he's backtracked. Well, he isn't backtracked, he's... He's, like, now entertaining the thought that he. 01:05:52 Speaker 1: Well, is that a mistruth or a change of mind? What's the difference between a lie and a change in your mind? 01:05:59 Speaker 9: It's an interesting question, isn't it? 01:06:02 Speaker 26: I will not work with them, and then what was it? David Seymour and Winston Peters were like... Don't even talk to me about that. They're not going to get over the line. And now all of a sudden they want to talk to them. 01:06:14 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole key for them was to keep Opportunity Party below 5%. Well, I don't know, yeah, to below 5% and have those votes wasted. So, I mean, what he said was effective, but it was untrue. 01:06:29 Speaker 26: Yeah, but the point being that a lot of voters heard Christopher Luxon say, I will not work with them. So some voters on that premise went out and voted and got Opportunity Party over the line. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: But surely if you're going to be someone that's fallen out of love with Luxon, you would have fallen out of love with them

already. I mean, this is... You'd have to be pretty thick-skinned and loyal to him to support him right up to this stage, wouldn't you? 01:07:04 Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. 01:07:05 Speaker 26: Well, I don't support him, but I do think if he didn't have any integrity before, he definitely hasn't got any now because you can't trust his word. 01:07:18 Speaker 1: I like the way you've put that. I wonder who he had integrity with. 01:07:24 Speaker 26: I don't even know if he ever had any integrity. Maybe for, I don't know, maybe for his social media employees. How many of them were there? 01:07:35 Speaker 13: Seven? 01:07:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:07:38 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:07:39 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something. Did you see any of the Chloe ads when National was having a go at Chloe? 01:07:44 Speaker 8: Maybe. 01:07:47 Speaker 24: Maybe. 01:07:49 Speaker 11: Maybe. 01:07:49 Speaker 26: I think I heard more about the Michael Laws and the attacks, which wasn't very nice. 01:08:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, people, that seems to have gone really badly. Because it's interesting talking to Pete and to talking to Alison, who I've always thought were both quite conservative people. And Alison went and voted Green on the back of that. Well, goodness me, good on her. 01:08:14 Speaker 26: And isn't it interesting, re-universities and the Greens? 01:08:22 Speaker 1: What's that? 01:08:23 Speaker 26: University students. 01:08:25 Speaker 9: Oh, yeah. 01:08:25 Speaker 1: I don't want to get back into politics. It's too confusing with too much policy, but I'm hearing you. Tania, thank you. 15 to 10. Hedl 12. Yeah, those that didn't vote, why didn't you? I'm enjoying the discussion. People are talking about a grand coalition. But I'll tell you something, I reckon people have landed at a really, everyone's happy. Well, not everyone's happy, but people, actually, what is the mood? It's not everyone's happy, but everyone's reached a place of opinion and comfort with where they're at, I guess. I mean, National hasn't won. They've all said National can't. was terrible, and you should get a second term easily, but they're back in power, so it's interesting. Anyway, here till 12 if you want to partake. By the way, Russell Brand will be sentenced today. Well, his sentencing begins... in the courts in london this morning but obviously there will be victim impact statements and that could take a long time um so yeah be in touch you want to talk 14 to 10 oh 10 away from 10 o'clock so just those things that i've got to tell you about that um that um russell brand sentencing although i don't i mean that's i mean that's gonna be fairly grim isn't it but um There'll be the endless tabloid stories about his life in prison, which I always find fairly uncomfortable reading, but I guess that's, people want vengeance, they want incarceration, but they want punishment as well. So that's, I guess that is what that is. Now all the videos are surfacing of his interviews in various places. Some screened, some didn't screen. I seem to remember when he was being interviewed at TVNZ, he was fairly I'm trying to think of the word. I'm using my word carefully. He was fairly, yeah, he was fairly on the line of what was decent. But yeah, there we go. Curious to know all those very strong comments on Michael Laws. And I see that Tane Randall and Albert Nauru have both commented and said they thought that NZ First should have done better. And apparently for New Zealand First, you don't comment about the polls unless you're Winston Peters. So maybe they'll get told off as well as Michael Law's getting told off. Six away from 10. If you've been trying to get through, there's some lines available. You can email me also, romanzalong at 12. If you didn't vote, I'd be curious to know why you didn't vote. That's kind of interesting for me. Also, I know that in Australia it's huge to have a democracy sausage. Is that a thing? When you go and have a vote and then you get a hot dog or a sausage. I don't know if we had those here. By the way, the democracy sausage, which is a tradition, they are not free. It was the word of the year in 2016, democracy sausage. And there are apps you can actually look and see where the democracy sausages are going to be. I don't know if we do that in New Zealand. I mean, all the last probably seven elections, I've voted at the Bluff School, which is a lovely school, but there's not a lot of, it's not a sausage sizzle place. By the way, too, I can see that the price of sausages have gone up at Bunnings. The sausage sizzle has gone from $ 2. 50 to $ 3, which I still think is pretty good value. I don't know what the price of a sausage would be these days. November 14 prices go up. The price of drinks would remain unchanged. So a sausage and drink combo would continue to cost about $ 5. I don't know if I ever thought that actually it was a thing. I thought the sausage sizzles... Now, I'm thinking probably more so of the ones outside the warehouse. I always thought they were run by individuals, not by the hardware store themselves. Anyway, always good. Mind you, I've worked long enough in radio, and often in radio, I have to go into a sausage sizzle, and there'll be some sausages at the back of the freezer in a scody old chili bin. I wouldn't go near a sausage at a public sausage sizzle. Anyway, be in touch if you want to talk or if you want to be involved. Now, it's always interesting when people say, I sent the below text earlier. They're not below on my screen. Oh, by the way, the sausages and bunnings are $ 2 in West Auckland still. Someone says, Marcus, could New Zealand first flip to support Labour if they offer Winston to be Prime Minister? Well, yes, I've posited that. That wouldn't be a bad idea. Winston, I'm sure, would jump at the chance. But would the Labour core voters want it? Will they want to be in a party with Michael Laws? I think Michael Laws has probably made New Zealand First fairly toxic. I don't think

anyone, I don't think any of the MPs, I mean, the women from the Opportunity Party don't even want to be in the same room as him. But yeah, get in touch if you want to talk. 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text. Anything else you want to talk about too? Oh, by the way, I've got the World Cup coming up on Sunday. The Aussie women versus the Kiwi women, then the Aussie men versus the Kiwi men. That's going to be a good Sunday night. That's two great matches. Great matches. Boy, oh boy, that Tongan Samoan match. 01:13:37 Speaker 2: Wow. 01:13:37 Speaker 1: Have the flags come down yet? It was a shame to see Samoa. I didn't like what happened at the stadium on the match last night because it seemed as though the Samoans who were there in the majority were singing. And in the stadium, they started playing The Voice and Horses, Aussie anthems to drown them out. I thought that was mean-spirited. Marcus, I usually miss out on the sausage because the bread is usually pre-buttered. I don't like butter or margarine. It is always pre-buttered. Be in touch if you want to talk on air with you till 12. The number 0800 8080 is a text. It's 9292. Looking forward to what you've got to say with you through until 12 o'clock tonight. Someone's talking about compulsory voting. Is that what we want? Surely not. By the way, greetings, good evening. I had everything worked out and planned tonight. But, of course, there's really bad weather. So I suspect there might be flooding. So if you've got an update on the weather, it's important we cover that. Someone's texted, and thanks for the reminder, some hearty surface flooding around Hamilton. Still running. Take care and drive safe. So if you have got a weather remote... A weather report, let me know what that is, if there's flooding or anything, update like that. So there could be problems with traffic. Marcus, I think the old snag is still good value. Think about buying a pie from the dairy. Still delicious, but surely equal in value. When I go to buy a sausage and bread, it has a different effect that being I'm helping a cause or charity. I don't think anyone begrudges the cost of a sausage ever. 01:15:09 Speaker 4: $ 2. 01:15:09 Speaker 1: 53 going to charity, you don't make much money. How much is a sausage a dollar, is it? The cheapest law change is fairly simple. Make voting legally compulsory and with heavy fines for failing to do so. Easiest way to get a fairly AMAP elected government. I don't have a problem with compulsory. I think Australia has compulsory voting. I don't think we need it. But 74% getting down there, isn't it? I think in America it's less than 50%. Anyway, anyway, anyway. Marcus, in the new year, I'll be stocking up on popcorn in preparation for live TV debates from in the house. Think it will be great entertainment, Lindy. Marcus, I wouldn't expect anything less from Michael Laws, but it's not like he killed someone. I still gave two texts to New Zealand First special vote. So obviously they like what

he says. What else are people saying via the texts? Anyway, get in touch. Here till 12, you do want to talk. And the Grand Coalition, already that's been mentioned. People are explaining the overhang too. I think we're familiar with how the overhang works. And we're familiar with incumbency in national seats. If you've got the seats, you're more likely to hold on to them because people are familiar with the person that's your local MP. People love meeting their local MP at school prize giving. Oh yeah, they seem good. They can speak. I've seen them in the flesh. We'll give them another go. Also talk about the World Aerobics Championships in Invercargill. I didn't even know that aerobics was still a competitive sport. Pauline, it's Marcus. Good evening. 01:16:39 Speaker 13: Hello, Marcus. This business of thinking of making voting compulsory could backfire because if you've got people who, for one reason or another, don't want to vote and it becomes compulsory, they will deliberately vote in a weird way that actually backfires for the government or, you know, people. 01:17:04 Speaker 1: But people are so random, would they not vote in the wrong way, in such a way to cancel each other out? 01:17:10 Speaker 2: No. 01:17:12 Speaker 13: I think the very idea of making it compulsory annoys me because at the moment I have a choice and I choose to vote. But if it was a compulsion, if... I had no choice, and I had to go and vote. I don't want anything else put onto me in that way. I vote because I. 01:17:33 Speaker 1: Are you Australian? 01:17:35 Speaker 8: No. 01:17:35 Speaker 1: Because in Australia, voting is compulsory. Can you soil your form? Not soil it. Do an informal vote? Can you just write, like, do pictures and stuff, I wonder? 01:17:44 Speaker 13: I don't know. I don't know. It's just I think they need to leave it as it is because if people aren't voting and you make them vote or otherwise they get fined, they're going to muck the paper up or they're going to make a silly decision. By the way, I quite like the idea of Winnie being prime minister. He's got a jolly good suit and he speaks well. 01:18:09 Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd love the job. 01:18:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:18:12 Speaker 13: You have a word with him, Marcus. 01:18:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not someone that I run on. Well, I have run on him from time to time. It's been a long time ago. Why do Australians have compulsory voting? What went wrong for them? 01:18:22 Speaker 13: I don't know, but it might be interesting to hear from someone in Australia who's listening. 01:18:27 Speaker 1: I'll find out. Marcus, the reason I didn't vote was because all my adult life I have voted for our racing minister, Winston Peters. Then he banned my family's livelihood of greyhound racing, which tore us apart and I lost my partner. My home has tipped our lives on its head. Who can you trust never again? That's from someone who was into the dogs. Yeah, he did do that, didn't he? I think it's going to be

an extremely dynamic three years. I'm not sure if it will go the term, whoever it is. I'm not quite sure if Luxon will go the term. Maybe they will, though. Maybe they'll realize they have one of those meetings and say, look, if we've got to do this together. But I can't imagine the. 01:19:09 Speaker 1: Coalition discussions will be straightforward because New Zealand First and ACT have now got more power. And last time they got Deputy Prime Minister Winston and Seymour. What would they want this time? And then if you've got the Opportunity Party and Kweli Wong in there, then what will they want? Although they are, of course, greenhorns. All the Opportunity Party people, it's all of their first time in Parliament. So they have zero experience and they've got zero constituents to look after. They don't represent electorate. So I imagine they will be on committees and they seem like live wires. They seem to be into research universities and stuff. I guess some of them within two or three years or the next term will be with portfolios, I would think. I mean, the cream rises in Parliament, does it? Is it a meritocracy? I don't know. How's the flooding where you were at? And what about aerobics? Marcus, regarding Michael Law's comments, seriously, all this fuss over one tongue-in-cheek comment. Women make derogatory comments about men all the time. 01:20:06 Speaker 14: Wow. 01:20:07 Speaker 1: Did any women make any derogatory comments about men in the run-up to this election? Why is it suddenly such a big deal when a man makes a cheeky comment? Look at some of the things Paul Henry said over the years. Michael's comments certainly didn't change my vote. People need to lighten up. Welcome back. If we make voting compulsory, there should be a box on the ballot to tick. Don't, like any of you, do better. Marcus, I'm 53, never voted. Only because no one has inspired me to, and whoever gets in, just backtrack on most of what they promise anyway. I support compulsory voting as long as there is an option to vote for none of the above or similar. It's a pretty sad state of affairs that some 870,000 people who are enrolled to vote couldn't be bothered. Are you one of those? Why did you bother not to vote? Why did you not bother to vote? Anyway, get in touch. Marcus, my 15-year-old is meant to do a Rangitoto overnight tramp on Wednesday. Just heard your weather alert. Never been myself thoughts. Where will they camp? Are they going to Rangitoto or are they going to Motutapu? Because I can't work out where you'd camp on Rangi. Unless you're going to, yeah, that would be what I'd be curious to know. Oh, what a fantastic island. Anyway, enough from me. What have you got to say? People, if you want to join the discussions tonight, there might be something else you want to talk about. $ 3 for a sausage sizzle. You all right about that? Did anyone have an election party? Because there's so boring elections to watch these days. Because when 2% of the votes were counted, this is the thing of early votes. They start counting those first and there's such a fair representation that I was out mowing the lawn and the kids called me in. And I said, oh, you can swear tonight because it was a fairly lively discussion in the house. They called me in to watch it. But from the very get-go, The percentage votes didn't change. I think Labour started on about 28.3 and didn't vary much. Went up about a percent over four hours. 01:22:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:22:15 Speaker 1: And I've been to some of those election parties. They're terrible, eh? Because no one turns up until it looks like they're winning. I had a funny experience in 2002 in Gore. We'd been at the Hokanui Fashion Awards. I had to do some emceeing there. And the after party was the same place. It must have been one of the licensing trust hotels in Gore. The aftermatch function was at the same place as the National Party headquarters when they got their lowest ever result. Boy, that was a glum lot. That was when they got 22% with people tapping away at computers looking at the results coming in. Anyhow, be in touch if you want to enjoy your discussion. Marcus, I'm now 30 years old. This was my second time voting. As I've matured and grown up, I would never... Again, not vote for a couple of primary reasons. Firstly, I've come to enjoy political conversations with friends and family, though I feel it's only morally correct to comment on other decisions once I've taken the societal responsibility myself. Secondly, I have a young son that means the world to me. Therefore, partaking in political discussion and decisions is a way I see taking responsibility as a parent for his future. Get in touch. If 25% don't vote and then are forced to, that potentially another four parties hitting the 5% threshold. Imagine that by crikey. 5.7% of the vote shouldn't be demanding rolls, otherwise it's the tail wagging the dog. Isn't the word proportional the P in MMP? Well, it's about using your leverage. What was Winston on seven times? 7% and he got Deputy Prime Minister? But that's what happens if you're desperate. Anyway, get in touch here till 12, 20 past 10. 10.22, romance along after 12 o'clock tonight. I'm concerned about the flooding. If you've got comments on that, let me know. By the way, in Australia, the compulsory voting came in in the 1920s, and the voting numbers went from 60% to 91% in the space of one election. I imagine we'd still get the same result if voting was compulsory. I don't quite know what it's going to achieve. But yeah, there we go. By the way, you might have heard that in the news, the Rugby World Cup's going to be in North America for the first time. Like a magic round kind of a thing. They have Samoa playing Tonga. Boy, oh boy, they'll be into that. Patricia, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:24:35 Speaker 12: Good evening, Marcus. Nice to have you back. 01:24:37 Speaker 1: Thanks, Patricia. 01:24:39 Speaker 12: That's all right.

01:24:40 Speaker 15: I missed you. 01:24:42 Speaker 12: What was I going to say? I nearly didn't vote. I don't drive anymore. I've just turned 85. So I decided I'd just walk down. They said the polling booth was down by Oranga. I had a pretty fair idea where that was, but I got down there. Not a sign of anything. Wow. I left home at 8 o'clock and I walked for two hours trying to find where I could vote. There was just no signs out. There was a coffee bar right on the corner. They were selling coffee. I went in there and I just said to the lady, could you tell me where the... polling booth is she said oh I don't know no idea I said oh well I've just about given up because I walked for two hours and I thought right if I can't find it in 15 minutes then I'll just go home and forget about it so I almost didn't vote then I walked along and there's a big park and I saw red signs with black on and I thought that must be it so I walked right across there No, it wasn't that at all. So I said to the gentleman who was standing there, could you tell me where do I go to vote? He said, oh, it's way down the corner there. But he said, they don't open until about 20 past nine. I said, oh, my gosh. So I thought, oh, okay. I did want to vote. So I walked and walked and walked. Then I saw the lady coming out with a few signs to put up. And I said, why aren't you opening? why are you opening so late? She said, oh, it's just what we've been told to do. 01:26:23 Speaker 24: I said, oh, right. 01:26:24 Speaker 1: Does it sound very professional? 01:26:27 Speaker 13: No. 01:26:29 Speaker 12: She said, oh, you're the first one to come. I said, but look, the time is now 20 past nine. She said, well, normally we won't open till 9.30. I said, but then you're missing a lot of the people that were going to work. They could skip in and vote and get it done. Why are you opening so late? Oh, well, she said, we have to do what we're told. I said, oh, well. So I went back with her, did my voting, and then I had to sit for half an hour. And in the end, instead of trying to walk home again, I jumped, waited for a bus, and went on a bus and got me up the corner. So that was good. 01:27:04 Speaker 1: That was quite the adventure. What time did you get home? 01:27:08 Speaker 12: Probably about 2.30. And I left home at 8 in the morning. And I walked, and I could walk and walk. I could hardly walk by the time I found the place. It was really not good. But I did my voting and I thought, okay, good luck, whoever gets in. And I just voted for who I always vote for, Winston. 01:27:32 Speaker 1: Good on you. 01:27:33 Speaker 12: So I did that again, and he got both my votes, so that was that. 01:27:37 Speaker 15: I don't. 01:27:41 Speaker 1: Know who from. Oh, and you got the bus home on your Winston card, too, on your pensioners card, eh? 01:27:46 Speaker 12: That's right, I did, yes. 01:27:48 Speaker 1: That's cheeky. That's cheeky, Patricia. 01:27:51 Speaker 4: Love you. 01:27:51 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that. Heddle 12, my name is Marcus. 01:27:54 Speaker 3: Welcome. 01:27:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. Funny enough, I shouldn't say this, but I got sent a picture of my father going to vote, and... He's got a skateboard in his hand, which I thought was pretty interesting since he's on the cusp of being 97, but looks slightly stage managed, but good on him. Well, that was good. Anyway, yeah, I normally dress up for voting, but we're rushed, our family. Such a busy day, and busy day on the farm. We've had the shearer on the farm today. We've got the sheep, Sean. That was exciting. Boy, that was good. Sean the sheep coached the kids' football team tonight. She was all right. Vanessa's out of action. So that was fun. And I don't think she'd be much of a coach. Probably shouldn't say that. But the thing with coaching kids' teams, like, here we go. It's five a side, and there's a goalkeeper, and you've got seven. So you've got five a side, and there's seven players. How do you fairly substitute people off so everyone's got the same amount of time? If they're 10-year-olds playing soccer or football, does each person have the same time? Because some people are useless in the goal. I don't know how you run the goal. Do you get some person to be in the goal all game and switch it around week by week? These are the questions I've been pondering tonight and today. Dave, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:29:14 Speaker 8: Yeah, good evening, Marcus. Hope you had a good break. 01:29:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 01:29:17 Speaker 4: Thanks. 01:29:20 Speaker 8: I've got a bit of work to do around the house. 01:29:24 Speaker 1: Well, look, it was a funny sort of break because actually my partner was in hospital in Christchurch, but she wasn't sick. And it wasn't plastic surgery. So it was a slightly confusing situation, but she needed support. And we had a great, I mean, yeah, so that was the situation there anyway. So, yeah, so I can't be dishonest, but that's kind of what it was about. So I don't want to make out I have been on holiday, but, yeah, that's the situation. 01:29:51 Speaker 8: No, fair enough. No, I understand. Still quite stressed off. Yeah. 01:29:54 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, certainly required some stuff to do. 01:29:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:29:57 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially looking after the kids. 01:30:00 Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. 01:30:02 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd just like to defend the integrity of Chris Luxon. I'm not a national supporter. I voted Act. But, yeah, I mean, he did rule out working with the Opportunity Party. 01:30:15 Speaker 1: Dave, just hang on there. I'm going to come back to you because it was unfair of me to take you just before the headlines. I will come back to you. So just on the results, I will come back to you on that too. So, yeah, you can defend your integrity. 01:30:28 Speaker 3: Hold your horse. 01:30:28 Speaker 1: I'll be back with you in 30 seconds. Yeah, Dave, so defend Chris Luxon's

integrity? 01:30:36 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah. 01:30:36 Speaker 8: I mean, yes, he did say he wouldn't work with Opportunity, and I mean, on the results to date, he doesn't need to. 01:30:43 Speaker 1: Exactly. 01:30:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, so, you know, everybody's bleating along tonight. I'm not quite sure why. But, you know, Barry Soper said earlier on here at the Duke of Seas show that, you know, they've reached out to here, the National Party's reaching out to her through the back channels. And I would imagine there will be a conversation. But, I mean, what it will be, who knows? But, I mean, I would imagine that he will, at their stop, would encourage her to sit on the crossbenchers. That would be the logical thing. They've got no political experience. Though, you know, and she's got quite an interesting CV because her mum was a senior advisor to Judith Collins. So, of course, she'd have brought up in a National Party household, one would think. Yeah. 01:31:35 Speaker 10: Are you still there? 01:31:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am familiar with her background, although I don't know... Yeah, her mother was.... 01:31:42 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:31:44 Speaker 23: Yeah, I. 01:31:46 Speaker 7: I. 01:31:48 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that the true nature of the Opportunity Party has really revealed itself because... From where I sit, there were so many people from the left and the right, it was in their interest to diminish the credibility of that party, and they went both ways. People went on and on about the fact that Ian Lees-Galloway, who was a former minister in the Labour government, was the general manager of the party, and then they tried to diminish it by talking about her mother's connection with Judith Collins. Then they tried to diminish the party by saying that they have a board structure and two people need to veto any decisions. So I think we really need to wait and see what the party's about, don't we? Because everyone's kind of tried to disparage them below 5%, it seems. Everyone takes the oxygen out of them because I think people would have found it easier if they weren't there. 01:32:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. 01:32:51 Speaker 8: But even Barry Soper didn't think they'd make it. 01:32:57 Speaker 1: And look, I don't want to criticise Barry's, but yeah. 01:33:00 Speaker 4: Yep. 01:33:01 Speaker 10: Yeah. 01:33:02 Speaker 8: So, and I mean, you know, New Zealand products have always been a bit like this. 01:33:06 Speaker 1: By Barry saying that, does that Barry say he didn't want them to make 5% or was that his thought that they weren't going to? I mean, that's the thing, isn't it? 01:33:14 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:33:15 Speaker 1: Everyone's got their own stuff going on. 01:33:17 Speaker 19: Yep. 01:33:20 Speaker 1: But what is interesting, Dave, is I think there's seven end up going there. None of them have got experience as politicians. Some of them have worked in the back rooms. And none of them have got constituents that they're answerable to. So what do they spend their whole time doing? 01:33:34 Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah. 01:33:36 Speaker 8: I mean, probably the bigger picture is the fact that they're reach the 5%, say something about the state of New Zealand politics. You know, there's a hugely disenfranchised voting population out there that both parties, Labour and National, need to take heed of and look at what they're standing for. 01:33:56 Speaker 1: So if you're Kweli Wong, right, and you've come from nowhere and you've brought the party up to 5%, I mean, she seems to perform very well in the media spotlight, which is not easy. If you want to guarantee. 01:34:10 Speaker 1: The continuation of the party being in Parliament, do you join the coalition or do you go into opposition? Because some are saying if you go into the coalition, it would be the death of the party. Because I think Phil Goff was saying the majority of the supporters and ideas are left wing and people would never forgive you. 01:34:37 Speaker 8: Yes, well, I mean, the Maori Party were never forgiven for joining the John Key government, and yet, I mean, that was a very astute move on his behalf, and also on behalf of Turiana. 01:34:49 Speaker 1: It made John Key, really. 01:34:51 Speaker 8: Yes, but I mean to say, Turiana and Peter Sharples, I mean to say they got a lot done, and, you know, their own people sharpened them, because, you know, they worked tirelessly for their people, and And, you know, I just think, you know, they were statesmen in their own right. And a lot of people on the right-hand side admired them both for what they did, you know, compared to the present Te Piti Māori thing. Can I just move on to another. 01:35:26 Speaker 1: Oh, you're getting your confidence up. You're getting into some pretty interesting territory. 01:35:31 Speaker 3: Well, not really. 01:35:32 Speaker 1: Okay, do you think David Seymour should be Minister of Finance? 01:35:35 Speaker 22: Oh, absolutely. 01:35:36 Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. 01:35:37 Speaker 8: Yes, he's a pragmatic man. 01:35:42 Speaker 1: What's your other thing? 01:35:43 Speaker 8: Oh, yes. How long did Sir Dove Myer Robinson stay in politics for? 01:35:51 Speaker 1: Would he be from about 1965 to 1980? Would it be that long? 01:35:52 Speaker 8: Oh, Yeah, sorry, it would have been easy, but I was trying to remember his age. I think he got tops out about 81 from memory. But you're bang on the money, yeah. 01:36:04 Speaker 1: Is that how long he was in for? I always just see him walking, walking without his shirt on up and down Portland Road. He was a. 01:36:11 Speaker 15: Oh, okay. 01:36:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an interesting sort of a character. 01:36:16 Speaker 8: Right. 01:36:18 Speaker 3: Anyway. 01:36:18 Speaker 8: He was well into his 80s, wasn't he? 01:36:21 Speaker 1: I'll look it up, Dave, but nice to talk. Thank you, 24 to 11, feel free. 01:36:25 Speaker 1: I'll find out how long he was in there for. But what is– yeah, anyway,

let's have a break. 20 away from 11. Cathy, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:36:35 Speaker 28: Yeah, hi, Marcus. I heard you talking about soccer, and I wasn't quite sure. Were you indecisive about putting the kids in as goalkeepers? 01:36:50 Speaker 1: What's the best way if you've got 10-year-olds playing soccer– Do you choose one to be in the goal the whole time, half the game, or do you give everyone a turn? 01:36:58 Speaker 28: I know when my youngest was little, right up until he was about maybe... Oh, until he got to Rex. The kids, to be fair, because a lot of them didn't really want to be goalkeepers. 01:37:17 Speaker 1: No one wants to be. It's too brutal. 01:37:19 Speaker 28: Yeah, and so to be fair, every kid had to have a turn. 01:37:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I run it. 01:37:26 Speaker 28: Yeah, because my son, he was really, really good. He ended up in Hong Kong and Canada. representing New Zealand as the goalkeeper when he was 15. He loved it. 01:37:41 Speaker 1: So he just from day one thought that's what he wants to do? 01:37:44 Speaker 28: Yeah, he was on the soccer field, the first one, when he was seven years old. Excuse me. And he was so passionate. But when it got really competitive, he sort of got quite burnt out because way back in those days, The kids weren't really taught how to look after themselves after injuries. 01:38:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. 01:38:10 Speaker 28: And, yeah, it got a bit too competitive for him. And the son, he lost interest in it, but he was absolutely awesome at it. 01:38:22 Speaker 1: I bet the coaches loved having someone that really wanted to be a goalkeeper because every team wants that, don't they? Because most people hate it. 01:38:28 Speaker 28: Yeah, they don't like it. it, especially if the ball's up the other end of the whole game. But it's also, yeah, like when it's a real close score and you might miss a goal, boy, you're not very popular. 01:38:47 Speaker 13: No. 01:38:48 Speaker 1: And what I've noticed to people, if you do put them in the goal and you tell them, and if they're new to it, they sit right, they stand right on the goal line. So they've got no time to anticipate where the ball's going. So it just goes flying past them. 01:39:02 Speaker 28: No, but yeah, I love soccer. 01:39:06 Speaker 1: Got to do more coaching. Cathy, thank you so much for that 19 to 11 here till 12. Very, very heavy rain. I haven't looked at any of the websites, the news. I've forgotten how to do this job. It wouldn't be that easy, that hard. How many All Blacks have been in Parliament? Here's a quiz for you. We had Graham Thorne. How many All Blacks have been MPs? Was Chris Laidlaw an MP? I think he was. Or no, was he a broadcaster? Was his wife an MP? How many All Blacks have been Members of Parliament? Because we've got Tane Randall now, although I never won a World Cup, or did he? I'm going to ask ChatGPT this, or you can text me through. Seven. Oh, there was Ben Couch and Chris Laidlaw. Two Wiley. All Black of 1980, Maori All Black and MP. Graham Thorne. I think he was the MP for Onihanga. Chris Laidlaw. Tony Steele, the Honourable Ben Couch. Jack Ormond slash Te Aki O Mana. And Billy Glenn. And of course, I think Winston says he was a Maori All Black. I think so. I think Sir Peter Tapsell was a Maori All Black and as was Paul Quinn. The mighty Quinn, come on without. Come on within. You ain't seen nothing. 17 to 11 if you want to partake. Pretty nice to hear from you. Marcus, the call from the elderly woman who could not find her local polling booth was very disturbing. Underscores a major failure in this year's election organisation. In contrast, the previous year's package we got for elections in it contained no advice about booth locations at all and told voters to look up locations on the internet instead. Bureaucrats must realise that even in this day and age, there are still many people out there with no access to the internet. How dare people not vote? The arguments are facile. I say go live in North Korea, Russia, the Democratic Republic of China. Many have no idea what I was talking about. Marcus, this opportunity party is playing games with New Zealand people. She said she will talk to the largest party but will go with left. She will tell the public that deal not done with national. Yeah, it's interesting. She said she's talked to the party that had the most seats, not the most votes. And the words made sense when she said them. But in retrospect, it makes no sense to me at all because the fairest way would go with the party that got the most votes. But, oh, well. She could also go and say, here are my five bottom lines. They said no. Oh, well, I'm going to go talk to the other side. But some seats need to swing first. 01:41:40 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:41:42 Speaker 1: Marcus, good evening. I was disgusted with this overhang situation. With the state of the country, we cannot afford to pay more people in Parliament. There is enough get paid by us taxpayers now who do nothing. Although I'll tell you something, the number of MPs at the ground level is 120. And in MMP, when it started in 1995, the population of New Zealand was a lot less. So probably if you'd increased, it would have been about that. What's the population now? Population of New Zealand in 1995, 3,673,000. And now it's 5.3. So it's increased by 50%, hasn't it? So by that token, there probably should be 180 MPs by now. So yeah, that's just me. 14 to 9, 14 to 10, 14 to 11, 14 to 10, 14 to 11. If you want to talk on air, that's the plan. Get in touch. And I'll tell you something, too. We go on about the overhang, but man, oh man, first past the post was a dog of a system, was a disaster. Unless you were in a marginal seat, you had no sway. 10 to 11, Ross, it's Marcus. 01:42:56 Speaker 3: Welcome. 01:42:56 Speaker 1: Good evening. 01:42:57 Speaker 23: Yeah, good evening, Marcus. Look, I'm a little bit confused as to the mechanics of the Opportunity Party

and From what we've been told, I hope I've got her name right, Kuei Lung is really the spokeswoman for the party because in the caucus of the party there's a group of people that fronted it, promoted it, thundered it. and I think it's about five people, and two of them have to agree on every policy. So say she's in Parliament and they're debating a subject, everything has to be referred to those two people for comment and. 01:43:39 Speaker 11: For a vote. 01:43:41 Speaker 1: That's not my understanding. 01:43:43 Speaker 24: No? 01:43:44 Speaker 23: What's your understanding? 01:43:45 Speaker 1: Well, that wouldn't be practical, would it? 01:43:48 Speaker 23: No, but that's how it operates because they've got a power of veto over everything that they, that group of people, don't agree with. 01:43:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:43:57 Speaker 23: So in a debate in Parliament, they virtually... And we should know who they are because that group of people really control New Zealand for the foreseeable future because if the top party or opportunity party has the kingmaker... and they're dependent on those votes, they could vote a government in and out on their whim if they find something that they don't like. 01:44:26 Speaker 1: I think they would require sign-off of the board on any governing arrangements. So it's more, I think, about the coalition negotiations. 01:44:34 Speaker 10: Well, we. 01:44:35 Speaker 23: But surely. 01:44:36 Speaker 1: I don't think it's about what happens inside Parliament. But wouldn't the. 01:44:43 Speaker 1: The bodies of the political parties themselves also, you know, the president of the National Party, would he not be involved in coalition discussions? 01:44:53 Speaker 23: But wouldn't we have to know who the people are that have yay or nay say over policy? Shouldn't we, as a people of New Zealand, know who these people are behind it that have this power? And should they have a power to say nay, yay or nay over things in Parliament? Because they're not the elected people. I mean, Kweli Young, she's just a front person for these people. 01:45:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, OK. 01:45:20 Speaker 23: Shouldn't there be some sort of... not exposure, but some sort of explanation of what is going to happen. 01:45:27 Speaker 1: Are you saying that we don't know the names of those people? 01:45:30 Speaker 23: Well, no, shouldn't there be some sort of explanation of what is going on? Because she is only a front person. She's been selected by them on a Facebook interview or whatever it was, or a Sikh interview, and she's very articulate, and I've got nothing against her. I think the policies are quite reasonable. 01:45:50 Speaker 1: I kind of thought... I mean, the fact that she was interviewed on a Facebook page or whatever you're saying, wouldn't you take from that that so many other parties should be doing that that way because they got someone that's an extremely good performer and operator and she's sort of She's sort of shown up all the other politicians who are so dreadful with explaining policy. 01:46:11 Speaker 23: Well, not necessarily, because she just spoke the preference that they had for the answers. If she had spoken something else, she wouldn't have got selected. But she thinks along their lines, and who am I to say they're right or wrong, and who is anyone to say they're right or wrong? She thinks like the five people on the selection panel that selected her. I mean, I think their policies are quite reasonable, so I'm not against the policies. I don't have an issue with them. What I'm against is that do these people, and I don't want to be rude and call them faceless, but are these people, shouldn't they sort of present themselves to the people of New Zealand and explain that? the power they have and the reasons for the power. Because if they fall out with the people of New Zealand and they get Scotty, well, we could be held up to ransom to a degree. 01:47:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:47:06 Speaker 23: I mean, I think for the power that's been given to them, there should be some explanation. 01:47:14 Speaker 1: I thought there's been such an obsession with the Opportunity Party as everyone has tried to portray them has been too far right or too far left or too close with Judith Collins or too close with the NLE's Galloway or it's the board that controls them. I think a lot of it has been a lot of scaremongering because people, whether it be ACT or New Zealand First or the Greens or Labour, well, not so much with Labour, but these parties have wanted to keep Opportunity Party under 5%. That's why I thought there's been so much hysteria around their board. That's my take on it. 01:47:47 Speaker 23: Look, I don't have an issue with their politics. I think their politics are quite reasonable. I think some of them should have been done a long time ago. But it's just the mechanics of the possibilities that I'm just worried about. I mean, how do we know that these people, are they an AI or are they human? 01:48:11 Speaker 10: Okay. 01:48:11 Speaker 1: I don't think they're AI. Good evening, New Zealand and welcome. I hope it's good where you are, people. And we're talking a bit about thoughts on the political situation, reasons you didn't vote. No one said they had a party to celebrate the election. So it used to be a big thing. But as I say, it's not an exciting thing to watch anymore. Because you know from the very get-go what the percentages are going. In the old days, you have a pendulum, you have different seats coming through. It was exciting right to the end. Anyway, that's fine. It is the more democratic way, MMP. I'd much prefer it than first past the post, but I'm up for these discussions. I also wonder, I'll save that thought. Yeah, Rose, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. Hi, Rose. 01:49:00 Speaker 6: Hi, Marcus. 01:49:02 Speaker 27: I'm not a great person on, I haven't got a great knowledge on politics. But I was looking at a site on Google, as one does, and

it was the 2026 general elections preliminary results. And I see that National received 142 seats and they have no list seats. And then Labour won 21 seats, yet they get 15 list members. And then you've got, as you go further down, you have the Green Party. They won two seats and they get 14 list members. How do they get all these list members? 01:49:53 Speaker 1: Okay. So you've got your party vote. 01:49:58 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:49:59 Speaker 1: And if you get, say you get 50% of, the party vote, say like I think when Jacinda in 2020 with the COVID when she got returned, she got over 50%, but let's say it got to 50%. If you get 50% of the party vote, then that means you get 60 seats in parliament, which is half because 120 parliament, 120 seat parliament, so you get half of them. So what they do is they first get all the Labour seats. So maybe Labour has won 15 seats. But they've got 60 people in Parliament, so you get the 15 seats from the electorates, and then that's 60 minus 15 is 45. So then you get the first 45 people on the list. 01:50:42 Speaker 27: It just seems that here we have 131 members, and only 71 of them actually have elected seats, and 60 of them have flipping list MPs. And I mean, really, it just doesn't seem right. 01:51:02 Speaker 1: Would you rather they all had electorates? 01:51:04 Speaker 27: Yeah, I think if they don't win an electorate, they shouldn't be there. 01:51:10 Speaker 1: But the trouble with the old system, that was first past the post. 01:51:13 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:51:15 Speaker 1: And the trouble with first past the post, if you lived in somewhere like Southland, which has always been the most, it's full of farmers, it's the most national seat there is. 01:51:28 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:51:28 Speaker 1: And they've always won by about 15,000. So if you've lived all your life in South and in the old system and you wanted to vote for Labour or Greens, there was no point voting because it was meaningless where you were because Bill English would always get in. 01:51:44 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:51:45 Speaker 8: You didn't have a hope in hell. 01:51:46 Speaker 1: You didn't have a hope in hell. So this is a fairer way, but then you've got the overhang, so it makes it a bit trickier. And the reason National won so many electorate seats this year, I reckon— is because they had a huge swing to them last year. They did really well. They talked about the blue sweep. So they won everything. Not everything, but they won so many electorates. And if you win an electorate, then your local MP, he's at the school prize giving, he's at the local fair, and people get to know him or her. So they're much more likely to return them. So because National had so many electorate MPs last time, then, of course, most of them are going to get returned because people, once you've seen someone to score a prize, you go, oh, well, she speaks all right. She dresses well. I'll vote for her again. She said hi to me. And that's what happens. 01:52:38 Speaker 27: Yeah, it just seems funny. Like National did have, I think, four list MPs last term. 01:52:46 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. But this time their vote has dropped a lot. In fact, they got less votes than Labour. 01:52:53 Speaker 27: Yeah, but they still gained more seats because they got more party votes. Is that what it is? 01:52:58 Speaker 1: They haven't gained more seats. 01:53:01 Speaker 27: Well, they gained the majority of the seats. 01:53:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've got the over. Yeah, so it is a flawed system. 01:53:08 Speaker 27: Yeah, because, I mean, I just think to have seven... MPs there without any well there's a several there that have got no actual electorate seats. 01:53:19 Speaker 1: No one in the Opportunity Party's got and for a long time that was the Greens but now the Greens have won seats as well so that makes them yeah for a long time yeah so Opportunity Party there's seven of them they've got no electorates they've got no one to hold them they've got no one that can front up and go to electorate office to talk to them. 01:53:38 Speaker 8: That's right. 01:53:40 Speaker 27: And the other one that really surprised me is New Zealand First. They haven't got an electorate either. 01:53:47 Speaker 3: No. 01:53:47 Speaker 27: They've got 12 members in there. 01:53:49 Speaker 1: I wonder if Michael Laws will continue to do his radio show. 01:53:53 Speaker 11: Oh, God. 01:53:54 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I mean, he probably will. 01:53:57 Speaker 6: I'm sure he will. 01:53:58 Speaker 27: But whether he stays as an MP. 01:54:00 Speaker 1: I was surprised coming back to work tonight. I was surprised. There's people that I talked to on this show who I think are fairly conservative, almost except one person. People were horrified by his comments. 01:54:11 Speaker 27: I mean, he's always been chauvinistic anyway, hasn't he? Well, you can't say that, but I can. 01:54:19 Speaker 1: Well, he's always had a preoccupation with, yeah, no, let's not go there. No. There's almost a schoolboy teenage nature to some of the comments he makes. Yes. 01:54:34 Speaker 27: Absolutely. 01:54:35 Speaker 1: And I guess that's the fairest way to say it, which most people think, well, you know, that sort of stuff, we sort of grow out of that, even if we are like that in the beginning, yeah. 01:54:44 Speaker 27: Yeah, and he's never grown up, and he never will. Wash my mouth out with soapy water. 01:54:50 Speaker 1: Oh, well, they always say they're going to clean, they're going to stop people at the trough, but they've been in the trough their whole lives. You know, that's the thing, isn't it? It's always the one. Gosh, we're a hypocritical lot, aren't we? You know, politician, then local councillor, then the whole time in the trough, but they're going to clear out the trough. I'll tell you what, they turned on Trump, though, didn't they? Boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Absolutely. And what's interesting about all those Democrats, they're all

very young people. They'll be around for a long, long time. 01:55:21 Speaker 27: And that is why I can't understand how Trump ever got in when he did. I think it's more money. 01:55:28 Speaker 1: Sure it is. Rose, lovely to talk. Thank you so much for that 15 past 11. Feel free to come through. My name is Marcus. 01:55:34 Speaker 2: Good evening. 01:55:34 Speaker 1: 0800 80 1080 and 9292 to text back in a bit. My name is Marcus. Good evening. If there's something else you want to mention, feel free to come in. It'd be nice to hear from you. Matt, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome. 01:55:49 Speaker 11: Hey, Marcus. 01:55:50 Speaker 17: Just a little prediction. I reckon that we're going to see Bishop in New Zealand first. 01:55:57 Speaker 1: Great idea. 01:55:58 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:55:59 Speaker 17: Why not? 01:56:00 Speaker 1: Because he's got a bit of that working man hero about. He's a bit like Shane Jones, straight shooter, rough as guts, likes to smoke. 01:56:07 Speaker 17: Yeah, and he was endorsed by Winnie as well. So I reckon... It's not a bad idea myself. 01:56:14 Speaker 1: Can they kick Laws out and bring him in? 01:56:18 Speaker 17: Only when they have to. They'll probably keep him hanging in. Well, who knows if they need the spot, they'll kick him out. 01:56:25 Speaker 1: Can you re-change your list? I think it's your list from the election. I don't know about that. I presume it's your list that you took to the polls. So if Laws goes, it's the next person. You can't just walk a jump, Bishop, in there, can you? 01:56:40 Speaker 17: Well, it probably won't take Laws long to say something else. 01:56:45 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not going to get a ministerial post, so I don't think Laws would want to go. I reckon Laws would be furious with the blowback he's got. I reckon he won't. I don't reckon he'd be interested. He wanted to be Minister of Broadcasting or Minister of Civil Service or something. 01:57:06 Speaker 17: Yeah, it'll be interesting. Watch the spacing, the cut and paste. 01:57:11 Speaker 1: But, Matt, you reckon three more years until he's in for New Zealand First? 01:57:15 Speaker 17: No, I reckon within three years, but three years at the moment. 01:57:19 Speaker 2: Who knows? 01:57:19 Speaker 1: Who knows? 01:57:20 Speaker 17: Maybe the next election, but it depends what he wants to do next. But I reckon he'll be keen to go in and go against his old boss. 01:57:28 Speaker 1: Nice prediction. Thank you, Matt. Malcolm, it's Marcus. 01:57:30 Speaker 3: Welcome. 01:57:32 Speaker 8: G'day, Mark. 01:57:32 Speaker 16: It's Malcolm here. 01:57:34 Speaker 1: Hi, Malcolm. Sounding good? 01:57:35 Speaker 11: You know, you're still talking about the election and the fallout, but I take a weird bit of a different take on it all. And that is, I honestly believe, I mean, I voted mentally national all my life. Not always. I was a great Helen Clark follower, by the way. But simply put, the limpest election preparation ever done by a recent government. And I believe, with all the shenanigans going on, that regardless of what happens in three weeks, we will be back with another election in March to April next year. 01:58:23 Speaker 1: Malcolm, it wouldn't surprise me at all. 01:58:26 Speaker 2: No. 01:58:28 Speaker 11: It's a gut feeling. 01:58:29 Speaker 17: Look, I. 01:58:30 Speaker 11: I'm 69 years old, so I've been around a wee while. I came to New Zealand in 72, and I'm telling you now, the fallouts from this last election will go right through to early next year. 01:58:50 Speaker 1: And Malcolm, I think it's quite common in overseas countries with MMP that, you know, they go because and they seem as it goes down the track MMP that it gets more and more fragmented. Ours is free. How many parties have we got in Parliament now? Are there nine? It's a party moldy. We've got Opportunity. We've got the Greens. We've got Labour. We've got National. 01:59:17 Speaker 11: It's a disaster waiting to happen. And I mean that sincerely because I won't go into individualities on this, but I used to work with the lady who's behind me. 01:59:32 Speaker 8: The Maori Party. 01:59:33 Speaker 11: Lovely lady. And you will never hear her name. I know who it is. She worked for me for a year. Even Barry Silver didn't even know who she was. There's a subterfuge in politics in this country I have never seen before. It's not me being anti the Maori Party. Well, maybe I am. 01:59:57 Speaker 1: At least you can recognise that, Malcolm. 22 past 11, get in touch. Mark is still 12. 02:00:03 Speaker 8: I'll wait. 02:00:04 Speaker 3: 180, 1080. 02:00:04 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to become incomprehensible by the end of it. Anyway, how are you all going, people? Welcome. Headle 12. Yes, that's right. The Russell Brand sentencing. The British papers are having a field day of that. Much, much coverage of many photographers photographing the police vans as they've arrived from the prison. And many, many photos of his wife arriving at court. or very performative. No, that's not quite the right word for it, but the sentencing is today. It starts at 10.30 Britain time, but that will be victim reports. I think this is for one of the charges he has been found guilty of. Anyone got any comments on the Rugby League World Cup too? I just want to mention that because that certainly had me entranced, particularly the Samoan Tonga match. And I'm pleased the Rugby League World Cup is going to the United States because I think if there's a Tonga Samoa match to see the, now I'm going to have to Google this because I don't know the name, but to see their versions of the haka, the siva. Have I got that right? Unbelievable. Is it siva tau? But that was unbelievable. And then the Samoans did it again last night and came right up to the Australian team and it was, yeah. 02:01:28 Speaker 4: Ha! 02:01:29 Speaker 1: The Aussie commentators are always a bit bamboozled by that. 02:01:31 Speaker 16: They go, right. 02:01:33

Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a shame that they didn't play as well as they'd done. I don't want to say that in a demeaning way, but, yeah, I think it was a– I think it might have been at Suncorp, but I reckon the people who managed the stadium played Aussie anthems right throughout the game to kind of dissipate the crowd, to stop them getting a full head of steam. There should have been no music. It should have been listening, listening, letting to the chants come out. But there's the other thing, right, about the election, since we are reflecting on that. How do you even get to know your candidates these days? Because the meetings no one turns up to. So how are people finding it? Because it seems as though people are just watching stuff on Google and YouTube, which is all rubbish, or AI ads. So yeah, I wonder if you're a candidate, how you get out and about in your community. I guess it takes a long, long time. That's what Labour's got to work up. They need better candidates that can really build relationships. I know certainly down south, and not this time, but recently, it's always someone flown in from a different area. I thought, jeepers, I'm sure they could find one good person. But yes, have you got comments about that or the coverage or anyone wants to go back to first past the post? I certainly don't. This is just, yeah. And look, I don't necessarily know that the tactical voting for the overhang made any difference. I think it's mostly just... It's mainly just incumbents and people being loyal to their existing sitting MP. But they, I'm sure, will find that data before too long. They'll have all that evidence. Because I think all your voting forms are anonymized, so the researchers can have the data without your names on it and look at trends and voting. That'll be very interesting, all that stuff. Lines free romance from 12. It is 26 past 11. Really wet weather. You've seen the warnings too. Those warnings are continued most of the cases well until tomorrow. So yep, just be warned. The weather is not good. Not good about the Nvidia guy having the affair with a Chinese spy. It's unbelievable. You follow that story? Now Trump says he was kidding about Dana White press secretary offer. Of course he would say that. That's a standard thing. And 2026 is to be the hottest year on record. Not only is it the hottest year on record, it's the coldest year there'll ever be, the way it kind of works. 27 past 11. Yeah, Dave, Marcus, welcome. Good evening. 02:03:56 Speaker 6: Well, welcome to you back. 02:03:58 Speaker 15: Thanks, Dave. 02:03:59 Speaker 2: Yeah. 02:04:00 Speaker 21: Do I ask how. 02:04:04 Speaker 6: Was your three weeks and where'd you go and what'd you do and how'd you get on? 02:04:09 Speaker 11: No. 02:04:12 Speaker 25: You don't have to answer that. 02:04:16 Speaker 1: My partner was in hospital in Christchurch. So we're staying at the Rānui Apartments, which is a newer part of the town. She wasn't unwell and it wasn't plastic surgery. So that's probably what I need to say about that. So it was, yeah, it was a thing and then it's not a thing and whatever. She is recuperating. So, yeah, extremely good. Spent a lot of time in Christchurch Hospital, extremely happy with that and thought it was fantastic. So, you know, once you get in the serious part of it, it seems to work really, really well. 02:04:53 Speaker 2: Yes. 02:04:53 Speaker 6: And reading between the lines, I would like to say that I'm pleased to hear that. Yeah. that uh you needn't expand but i sort of get the gist yeah now yes i enjoyed the australia samoa match very much australia have come to the fore as i sort of predicted and expected uh they're not to be underestimated and next weekend. 02:05:17 Speaker 10: I shall be. 02:05:20 Speaker 6: Glued and uh Looking forward to it with glee. I think we're going to stand a good chance, but it could go either way. I'm slightly hedging towards Australia. 02:05:33 Speaker 1: I don't like Bostock, only because he was so good with those intercepts. He seems to be a guy to never rate, but he's been extraordinary. 02:05:43 Speaker 6: Rhys always seems to pull it out when he needs to. 02:05:46 Speaker 4: Well, he does. 02:05:49 Speaker 1: And that backflip. 02:05:50 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's fantastic. 02:05:54 Speaker 6: But we nuggety, he can't be underestimated. 02:05:57 Speaker 22: He's always there or thereabouts. 02:05:58 Speaker 6: Now, I would like to say good result. I know you don't agree with me, but however, I did vote Act, and I think at the end of the day for stability, et cetera, and direction of the country, yeah, I'll leave it at that. 02:06:15 Speaker 4: But anyhow. 02:06:16 Speaker 1: Hey, Dave, because people seem... I kind of couldn't be bothered for a while. Did you think for a while you're not going to be bothered voting or are you always going to do it? 02:06:23 Speaker 3: No. 02:06:24 Speaker 6: Oh, heck no. I voted the Friday last. Oh, no, I got in. The only thing was I voted over in. 02:06:34 Speaker 6: Pioneer, which is over in Spraydon Way, and I found out that I am a special vote that gets kind of last, and it takes some through a few weeks to count up, and I didn't realise because I voted outside my electorate that it was what it was, but I just took opportunity when I was over there, you understand? So, you know, yeah. One thing I would like to point out is with the increased five... Overhang, I hate that term or that phraseology. Bigger seats, more seats. But how many companies can employ five new employees or afford five new salaries? I know it might be fairly difficult. penny-pinching, but how many companies can say, righto, we're going to take on five new employees? I don't know. 02:07:32 Speaker 11: I just put it out there. 02:07:33 Speaker 6: I know it might be, but anyhow, bottom line being, good. 02:07:36 Speaker 21: To hear you back, and I'll hang you on. 02:07:39 Speaker 6: Again, you just turned in with a cup of tea, and welcome.

02:07:43 Speaker 12: Back, mate. 02:07:44 Speaker 1: We'll do the same soon, Dave. Thanks so much for that. 27 away from 12, here till midnight, 0800 80 1080. And I've got a lot of exciting stories from Christchurch, actually. Walked to Littleton across the hill. That's a good walk. Went to the Rickerton markets. I've always heard a lot about the Rickerton markets, but boy. yeah, maybe they've had their day, have they? There's a big thing in it today. Wilson, it's Marcus. Welcome. Good evening. 02:08:06 Speaker 15: Good evening, Marcus. 02:08:08 Speaker 1: Evening, Wilson. 02:08:09 Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. 02:08:10 Speaker 19: It's been an interesting election with the amount of electorate seats that National won. I'm quite curious to who they're going to pick as their new speaker, given there's no list MPs to really pick from for them. 02:08:25 Speaker 1: It's a really good point. 02:08:26 Speaker 19: Because I think last time I checked, it's been a while since an electorate MP has been the speaker. It's quite uncommon, isn't it? 02:08:36 Speaker 1: Well, was Brownie still the MP for Ireland? Was he list only? He was list only, was he? 02:08:40 Speaker 19: No, he was list only. I think the last one was technically Adrian Ruafi, but he kind of popped in midterm for Labour. So I actually don't think there's been one this century that started off as an electorate MP. 02:08:56 Speaker 1: Who would be their longest serving MPs? Would it be Todd McClay or someone? 02:09:01 Speaker 19: I was thinking, I think it might be Louise Upson or Mark Mitchell. I think those are the two that might be. Though I'm curious if that, I don't know, maybe. 02:09:13 Speaker 1: Is it a job people want or is it just sort of when you've kind of given up and think, okay, then we're going to. I don't know. 02:09:21 Speaker 19: I was curious if Winston Peters was going to. Have a go at asking for it. 02:09:26 Speaker 13: It would be interesting. 02:09:29 Speaker 1: And it's not you could also go and get someone from the other side. You could go and get someone like Damien O'Connor. He's been there forever, hasn't he? He's been there 32 years. 02:09:40 Speaker 2: That's true. 02:09:40 Speaker 19: But I doubt the right would let that happen, eh? Have someone from the other side become speaker. 02:09:48 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's been done before. But, yeah, okay. It's a good thought. I haven't heard any discussion about that either. Have you? I don't know. 02:09:57 Speaker 19: Not too sure. I'm also curious who will be deputy leader for the Nats. I don't even know when they might. 02:10:05 Speaker 1: Be electing that. I think it could well be Mark Mitchell to keep everyone in order, couldn't it? Yeah, I wonder if that's going to be what it is. 02:10:13 Speaker 27: I thought they'd try and go for someone more, you know. 02:10:16 Speaker 1: Would you go for Erica to keep her in the tent? 02:10:20 Speaker 19: Yeah, I think Erica, eh? 02:10:22 Speaker 4: Because. 02:10:23 Speaker 19: she's definitely more that liberal side that the party needs to replace for Nicola Willis. And I feel like if you've got two guys in the top two jobs, it's going to not appeal to. 02:10:34 Speaker 1: A little bit pale, stale, doesn't it? 02:10:36 Speaker 3: Yeah. 02:10:36 Speaker 1: Pale, male, stale. 02:10:38 Speaker 6: Yeah. 02:10:39 Speaker 19: That'll be interesting, though. 02:10:41 Speaker 1: But I mean, Erica, because now that Chris Bishop is gone and Chris Pink is gone, Erica Stanford's really all they've got is to take over from Luxembourg, which I'm sure will happen. Unless it's Mark Mitchell. So, I mean, and I don't know when that happens. I guess it depends on how well the negotiations go. 02:10:57 Speaker 19: I assume it might as well happen in the final year of the government, you know, just like. 02:11:07 Speaker 27: How John Key did it potentially. 02:11:08 Speaker 13: Yes. 02:11:08 Speaker 19: That Luxon doesn't get forced out. 02:11:11 Speaker 2: Yes. 02:11:12 Speaker 11: But yeah, I don't see Lutford. 02:11:14 Speaker 1: Lasting another election. I don't think he was going to get forced out. I think he was just bored, I think, wasn't he? 02:11:19 Speaker 19: Yeah, just enough. At least you get the choice of saying that you were leaving. 02:11:24 Speaker 2: But yeah. 02:11:26 Speaker 1: No doubt, maybe in one of those meetings they've discussed succession. 02:11:29 Speaker 25: Yeah, definitely. 02:11:31 Speaker 19: But I'm curious if they will start negotiations anytime soon, or are we really waiting until the 27th of November to get the ball rolling? 02:11:40 Speaker 1: Are you a poll watcher, Wilson? 02:11:42 Speaker 19: Yeah, I would say I do keep in line with the polls that I think. 02:11:46 Speaker 1: The polls are pretty, apart from Roy Morgan, the polls are pretty spot on. 02:11:51 Speaker 16: Yeah, I think so. 02:11:52 Speaker 19: I do think now with the way that New Zealanders are voting with the electorate seats, they kind of become a bit irrelevant because you can't poll those. So it does look tight, but when you consider the overhang, it's actually not as tight as it seems. 02:12:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 02:12:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I just think probably, I just think in other years, the overhang's not going to be the thing it was this time. I think it's just a, I think it might, it's a bit of a historical aberration, the overhang, just because there was such a blue sweep last time and National won all those seats they'd never won before. And once you're there, it's, you know, people love to vote for the incumbent. 02:12:35 Speaker 6: Yeah. 02:12:36 Speaker 19: I'm curious to see what seats will flip from the final count. 02:12:39 Speaker 2: I'm curious. 02:12:41 Speaker 19: I'm hoping that maybe Mount Roskill might flip, but we'll see. 02:12:44 Speaker 1: It's Mount Roskill and. 02:12:46 Speaker 2: It's... Wairarapa, definitely. 02:12:49 Speaker 11: Could be there. 02:12:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's

a rural seat too. That'd be weird for the rural one to go Labour. Well, then it's kind of every man is in the old, yeah. 02:12:59 Speaker 3: I know, yeah. 02:12:59 Speaker 19: But definitely, I think, yeah, 20th of November will be another day for election coverage. It'll be. 02:13:08 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they'll be. Yeah, it's quite right. And then the real horse trade will begin. I don't think we'll have a new government by Christmas. I think it'll take a long, long time. I think probably. You'd say, Wilson, that Luxon probably most of his troubles in his first term were because of the negotiations and because he'd given too much power to Winston and Seymour, wouldn't you say? 02:13:30 Speaker 24: Yeah. 02:13:31 Speaker 19: Yeah, but now I'd say that he's going to have a lot less power. 02:13:35 Speaker 1: A lot less. He has got a lot less. He's below 30%. 02:13:39 Speaker 19: Yeah, I'd assume we'd see a 50% national and the rest for the coalition partners, I think, for ministers. I'd be really shocked if he got over 50% of national ministers in his cabinet. 02:13:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense, although they've got 30% of the vote and New Zealand First and ACT are on about 23%, 24%, are they? 02:14:03 Speaker 19: I think so, but if you think about it, they've got 42 seats currently and then New Zealand First and ACT combined are 25 seats or 24 seats, so I reckon that they probably would get, yeah. 02:14:19 Speaker 1: We will find out. Wilson, nice to talk. Thank you for that. 20 away from 12 o'clock here till midnight. 18 to 12, anything goes, free weather around the country. Well, South Island's been pretty good, actually. That's why I was excited we got the sharing done today. Boy, oh boy, that was exciting. Yeah, gee. Then the coaching of the football team. It's been a full-on day. Then back to work, back as the hobby broadcaster. If you want to talk just quickly about it. And, yeah, I, sometimes the whole political discussion I talk about can get a little bit fraught with people, can be a bit snide or passive-aggressive or sort of, Just a little bit mean-spirited. But actually, every caller tonight has been very reasonable with what they've said, very well thought out and very considerate of what they've said. And I think probably we've talked about the election. We've got a new government, a different government, and people are talking about the process, whether it's the right process or not. Are we happy with it? It's been very, very interesting. And my two takeouts from what people have said, having been away for a couple of weeks, is that people weren't happy with what Michael Law said. And people also upset about Christopher Luxon saying that he'd not work with Opportunity Party now ruling that in. By the way, I'm sick of calling them the Opportunity Party. That's too many words. And we can't call them top because that's their own name. Or can we call them that? I think we can call them that. Anyhow, I don't know what they should do, actually, if they're going to continue to be a force in government. Or sorry, a force, yeah, in Parliament. Not continue if they're going to be. Because they are the first party that's ever got into Parliament an MMP under their own kind of stuff. Other people have branched off from other parties and then gone solo and got in. But these are brand new. And they're young too, which is probably a good thing. Youth is always good. I think we've seen that in the American elections. All the Democrats, they're all very young, 20s and 30s. So, yep, that's what we are discussing. If you want to talk about that, it'd be nice to hear from you. 02:16:12 Speaker 10: 0800 80 1080. 02:16:13 Speaker 1: If you want to text, it's 9292. HETL 12. A texter said that they think the next speaker will be Barbara Kruger. She's been there a long time, I think. A lot of the others I haven't heard of. So, yeah. Now, if there's something of political nature you want to mention before 12, does anyone wish we were back with first past the post? I think the system is miles better. I mean, it's got some challenges, but that's a good thing. I don't mind challenges. As a country, I think we're quite good with challenges. Always find a way around it. And what seems to be a great crisis one day will quite quickly dissipate. Maybe in three years' time, we're not talking about the overhang. Something else will have come along. Interestingly enough, when we're talking about Opportunity Party being the first party to get in Parliament, I thought, what about ACT? Of course, ACT was started by the former Labour people who had been in Parliament, Roger Douglas and Richard Preble. And then Richard Preble, he won Wellington Central, which I'd forgotten about. So yes, forget what year that was. Um, Anyway, be in touch if you want to talk. My name is Marcus. 02:17:17 Speaker 3: Welcome. 02:17:18 Speaker 1: Phil, good evening. 02:17:19 Speaker 8: Hi, Marcus. 02:17:21 Speaker 21: Don't you think it's funny, the system now, how everyone who voted for National would have voted for Nicola Wallace and the other fella and one or two others that were the face of the National Party and all those people voted for them and yet they're not there. 02:17:39 Speaker 1: LAUGHTER So what went wrong with that? So say you're Nicola Willis, right? And in Wellington they hate the Nats because they fired everyone. They love the Greens. So what do you do? You say, Nicola, take your family and go and move to Southland? Because they knew you needed an electorate to get. 02:18:00 Speaker 3: In, eh? 02:18:02 Speaker 21: Seems bizarre to me that everyone loved them and wanted to vote for them. 02:18:06 Speaker 25: All those ones that did, I didn't. 02:18:08 Speaker 17: But there you go. 02:18:11 Speaker 1: But Chris Bishop, the thing about Chris Bishop, he was up against Ginny Anderson. She would have gotten on the list. You'd vote for him for Lower Hutt, then you'd get two for one. 02:18:21 Speaker 5:

It's bizarre. 02:18:24 Speaker 25: I don't really get it. 02:18:26 Speaker 1: I think in Lower Hutt, I think in Wellington, they really hate the National Party. They're on 20%. And they wanted to punish them. And so they got rid of Willis. Well, they got rid of Willis because he had no electorate, but they got rid of Bishop and gone. 02:18:42 Speaker 21: Yeah. They were the face of the National Party. 02:18:47 Speaker 1: Well, you're looking at the list now. It's full of lightweights. 02:18:52 Speaker 21: You don't know half of them, do you? 02:18:53 Speaker 3: No. 02:18:54 Speaker 1: Well, you've got people like, you've got that guy from Southland. What's his name? I mean, Jeepers Creepers. Anyway, I mean, sometimes people rise to the occasion, you make a minister and they've got good advisors and something happens. 02:19:09 Speaker 22: Yeah. 02:19:10 Speaker 1: You heard of Miles Anderson and Waitaki? 02:19:15 Speaker 21: Vaguely. 02:19:16 Speaker 1: Carl Bates, Lloyd Budd, Blair Cameron. 02:19:19 Speaker 15: Yeah, okay. 02:19:22 Speaker 21: Yeah, it's a... It's a funny system, but I think it's a good system because I remember back in the first past the post days, they just used to tell all their lies and then get in there and not do what they were going to do. 02:19:35 Speaker 10: Exactly. 02:19:35 Speaker 16: That's why. 02:19:37 Speaker 1: Everyone... And if you're in a seat that was like, you may as well not vote because the national candidate would get in by about 15,000 votes, would never change. 02:19:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. 02:19:51 Speaker 21: Yeah, so it was, I don't mind the system, but this one, this time, it sort of seemed to backfire on everyone. 02:19:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we still don't know what's going to happen. I mean, I think probably there could be some changes that happen. There could be another election. There could be, the Opportunity Party could be, but, you know, let's wait and see. 02:20:11 Speaker 21: Really, another election? 02:20:12 Speaker 10: Is that possible? 02:20:13 Speaker 11: Yeah. 02:20:14 Speaker 1: If they can't form a government, we go back. 02:20:16 Speaker 12: Right. 02:20:17 Speaker 1: But then that would be because the Opportunity Party wouldn't back them up and they probably then would get punished at the polls for wasting everyone's time. That's the supposition. 02:20:27 Speaker 6: Right. 02:20:28 Speaker 21: Because Chippy would surely want to get it. He'd throw them a line, wouldn't he? 02:20:34 Speaker 1: Oh, you'd think so. If a couple of seats went the other way, I'm sure they would think, well, rather than not be on. And I think people think the Opportunity Party are more likely to go with Labour because A lot of the five bottom lines are about the environment and bottom fishing and breaking up the monopolies of the supermarket. Because now Nicola Willis has gone, that's off the table. So it does seem to be more along the lines of the left policies. That's my take. 02:21:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting. 02:21:02 Speaker 21: Good on you. 02:21:02 Speaker 1: Nice to talk, Phil. Thank you. Five to 12 if you want to be accompanied before the end. Roman is along next. 02:21:12 Speaker 4: Oh, good. 02:21:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, too, someone's texted me about the referee. I thought the referee last night in that match against Samoa, I thought he had a real colonial patronising attitude towards the Samoa. I thought he was overly officious. He treated them like children, punished them. I mean, to punish Luai just for kicking the ball, I thought he did an incredibly bad job of it. He's normally a good ref, but, yeah, I just think– I think that bias kicked in. But the Samoans were out-passioned. Well, not out-passioned. I think they probably, it must have been a huge occasion for them. 02:21:52 Speaker 10: Anyway. 02:21:53 Speaker 1: Hello, Brent. It's Marcus. Good evening. 02:21:55 Speaker 15: G'day, Marcus. 02:21:56 Speaker 16: Yeah, sorry about my voice. 02:21:57 Speaker 10: No worries. 02:21:58 Speaker 1: It sounds good. 02:21:58 Speaker 16: The whole day I've been listening to the radio and you've been talking about the coalition partners, about this and that. So I heard one person ask the question of all the people who have done interviews with us, the National Party. How much of a farm are they prepared to give away so that the Prime Minister can stay as Prime Minister? And that's the big question. How much are these other parties going to demand out of him? And how far is he going to go before he says, no, that's too much? 02:22:20 Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't got many options, has he? 02:22:23 Speaker 17: Well, he has. 02:22:25 Speaker 1: Are you saying he goes back. 02:22:28 Speaker 16: To the electorate and point out and say, these people have been too greedy and I wouldn't do them any good the next time around? 02:22:34 Speaker 1: So you have an election in three months' time. 02:22:36 Speaker 16: Yep, but make it clear to everyone the reason why, because these people were too greedy. I mean, it's quite honestly, I know it's not going to happen in Parliament, it's certainly not going to happen in a lot of New Zealand. 02:22:48 Speaker 1: Because you think he gave... We haven't come across that yet, eh? You think he gave ACT in New Zealand first too much last time? 02:22:55 Speaker 12: Well. 02:22:56 Speaker 16: I tell you what, Winston Peters killed the TAB. He's killed the racing. He did away with 10,000 jobs from Greyhound. He wasted a heap of money on the ferries. Never mentioned any of that before the election. They were just loved up to him. 02:23:09 Speaker 1: You do what you like in the first year because three years' time, everyone forgets about it. 02:23:13 Speaker 16: Well, that's the problem, eh? You know, Melbourne Cup, that was last week, and I know a lot of people I've been associating with for years and years and years never had a bet because they closed the TAB in Batoni. They're going to close the next ones around the Hutt Valley pretty soon. Pretty soon there'll be no TABs and people won't be able to bet on on the phones, on their accounts, because this TAB agency is only interested in under-30s. That's what their whole advertising campaign is all about. It was covered in the racing form by the now-retired editor. He covered all this. 02:23:40 Speaker 17: Winston Peters ignored it, and it's happening now. 02:23:42 Speaker 1: It's all sport betting, too, which is actually a fairly, yeah. I think sport betting is a fairly dangerous form of betting, too. 02:23:50 Speaker 16: That's an eye-trigger on Winston Peters, right? I mean, I wouldn't trust him. I haven't trusted him for years and years and years. All the different... back from fours over time as he's been in and out of Parliament. 02:24:00 Speaker 1: This would be his last time, wouldn't it? 02:24:03 Speaker 16: It would have to be. But tell me, what has Shane Jones ever won? Shane Jones gets them behind him, he goes in on his coat tails. What's Shane Jones ever been elected for? 02:24:13 Speaker 1: He's so self-satisfied. 02:24:17 Speaker 16: Hey, I mean, you get two for one, but neither of them make a hole. 02:24:23 Speaker 1: Nice to talk, Brent. Thank you. That is it. For me for tonight, and, oh, Marcus, proud Wellingtonian here. It's quite amusing listening to these boomer callers and their lack of understanding about voting or who they voted for is quite ridiculous. These people are the problem. But not to worry, us millennials and Gen Z voters are here to save the day. Let's wait for special votes. Things could get really fun. 02:24:49 Speaker 10: Erin. 02:24:50 Speaker 1: Thank you, Erin. I don't disagree. Someone's betting that Barbara Kruger will be the next speaker. Oh, hi, Marcus. Rugby World Cup. We can't have the Aussie refs or bung this week until the game's not riddled with controversy again like the Samoa Aussie game. At least five calls went against them. At least another five 50-50 calls. Ridiculous has changed the whole momentum of the game and gave them no chance. Bloody ridiculous. Having home refs never happens in rugby union. Watch the Sean Johnson video clip post game. If the ref stays out of it, Kiwis will run comfortably. One of my 2026 predictions with you. Anyway, thank you for that. That's it for me. Roman is along next. Nice to be back. And I'll talk to you again tomorrow from 8 p.m. Have a good one.