Game Gone Wrong?- The Beginning of the End- Episode 366: täielik transkriptsioon

But all in all, man, I I am already ready for season four and we've got a year, year and a half. Dave Ungar: Yeah, we'll we'll be going back to the seven nine kingdoms before we ever get to House of the Dragons season four. And that's okay. That is okay. Tuddy, I I know you thought this was probably the best season ever of anything Game of Thrones related across the board. what's what about the season finale? Were you okay with it, disappointed, happy, somewhere in the middle of all that? @PCTunney: Thought it was great. They gave you enough to they gave you enough of a of of a it was a battle, right? It was a really brief battle that happened where everybody realized that that crazy son of a bitch on that dragon up there is really by himself and well he's probably gonna die pretty quick next season, so or already be dead when we start next season. but it's just it was a good episode. It really was. It sets the table for next season. And you know, I finally watched the post episode Dave Ungar: Bravo. @PCTunney: I have expose or whatever you want to talk about it, post exofacto or whatever you want to call it. But you know, it it just reminded us of something that we kinda talked about, I th is it we the it's the dragons have to start dying and pretty quick next season. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: So, you know, just Let that sink in as we move into wherever we're gonna get to that because it's not gonna be easy. I've already caught myself a few times during this season and then past seasons. Whenever the dragons get hurt, I'm like, hey, you hurt anybody else, but not the dragons. Dave Ungar: That it's @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: fun it's funny how it works out that way. It's like, yeah, I don't care about the people, but you know, save the dragons. Yeah. @PCTunney: Like I hated that fight with Sheep Stealer and I hated the fight with Sheep Stealer and the other dragons, right? Like dragon on dragon violence is even worse, you know. Dave Ungar: Wow. Yes. But no, you're right. next year will be very bloody for the Dragons. Next season, excuse me. It'll be it'll be probably what, twenty twenty eight before we see this show again, which is depressing. @PCTunney: I heard that they had set a date to start shooting the next season though, like early next year. Yeah, okay. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere @TheMindlessPod: Somewhere in twenty seven. Dave Ungar: in 27, they'll they'll start shooting. But you know, my thoughts on this overall episode was I I thought you like you guys, it's a very good episode. There's a lot going on here. Reneira's descent into tyranny really comes full circle in this episode. But at the end of the day, you know, there aren't any real winners. there's gonna be, and here misses attitude's there with you, Tony. She feels bad for Sheep Stealer. yeah, man, we all felt bad, dear. You know, he poor Sheep Stealer got abused pretty badly for no reason, other than just being a dragon, you know. but I I thought the you

know, the season finale it was very good. Not a lot gets decided. There aren't any winners. certainly the battle does not go the way Damon thought it was going to go. nothing really goes the way people think it's gonna go in this episode, which is kind of what makes it really good in the end, is like, okay, nothing really I I From my standpoint, did it go the way I thought? Not exactly, but were there any massive surprises? I mean, certainly there's more if you take compare the season finale here for season three and compare it to season two. This is a much stronger season finale than the way season two just kind of ended on like a cliffhanger with you know going into the battle of the gullet. This actually had a battle, just an inconclusive one, but you get to see so much happening in this episode. So what do you say we break. This down and get into the details on this thing and talk about the big picture, the big items here. I think the main one we start off, which was very interesting. Rhaenera gets word that Aegon has survived. Not only has Aegon survived, Sunfire has survived, they're both alive. Rhaenyra just fucking collapses and crumbles when she hears this news. She's inconsolable, she's going to Damon, she's crying. Damon's just kind of like you could tell the look on his face is like, shut the hell up already. Get get it together. You're the queen. Stop being such a wuss, you know. but you know, she's just Ranera in this moment is just increasingly frantic about what does this mean for my legitimacy? you know, Aegon's out there. Damon just kind of, you know, is on her. Stop hesitating, be decisive. and then the conversations quickly. revolve and evolve into this coming attack on Tumbleton, and whether Ranera really believes that she is the rightful ruler. so this is, you know, season three, her whole art kind of comes to a you know a crucible here, right? Because she can't just rely on saying my father chose me anymore. now she wants to basically say this is about history, this is about destiny. This is about prophecy, as we're gonna see, as she's going to force the faith to accept her, alive or dead, it doesn't matter to her. and so psychologically, I think this is a much more dangerous place for Renera to be. And you get to see as this episode goes along, this wears on her, and she just kind of psychologically, I don't know about unravels, but she evolves in a certain direction in this episode. And Aegon's return and Sunfire's return. really seems to be the motivating force behind this. So Tunny, let me go to you first. Your thoughts on Renera's kind of emotional just crumbling here, the early part of this episode, once she learns that Aegon and Sunfire are still alive. @PCTunney: Yeah, it's quite annoying i i immediately. But then it's interestingly enough, like after she has her moment with Damon, she kinda flips the script really quick and and like wants like full vengeance and enough so that she just is like, you know, coily to Damon, like don't don't make me look, you know, bloodthirsty or whatever I think she said something like that, you know, wink wink, you if what do what you gotta do but I mean this is pretty much tipped the point of her saying, Okay, I think we need to go ahead and take action when she was trying not to, you know. Dave Ungar: Deege, what do you what do you think, man? I I mean Tutty's right. It just this does kind of push her in that direction. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, you use the word unraveling, and honestly, that's the correct word. We've been watching her slowly unravel since she got to to the castle. Once she got in there and first she realizes we're broke, you know, we're broke. The castle's a mess, it's infested with rats, and it's just one punch after another that basically just it legitimizes her claim to the throne. It's done this for the last four episodes, and then you know, Aegon still being alive, Helena being pregnant. She's catching it for she's catching strays from all ends. Yes, she finally does. She finally unravels. And we've talked on every single season of this show in multiple episodes how the crazy Targaryen gene is there. She's just been waiting for the trigger. And, you know, the final trigger was Agar. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. A gon really triggers and and that's a good point, Deech. Her just yeah, that that whole idea of what does this mean for my legitimacy? I've straight and cause there's so much about legitimacy in this season, right? It is a it is a a subplot, almost like a subreddit of this fucking show this year, because legitimacy rears its ugly head so much. Am I the the legitimate ruler? legitimacy of Corlus's sons. Legitimacy of a of Ranera's own kids. You know, this idea of legitimacy keeps turning up, keeps revolving after every season of this show. And it comes that is a major point because she thinks she's now established herself. I'm on the throne, I'm the queen. And as we saw for eight episodes, that gets challenged at every step of the way. And it finally catches up with her here. The early, like the opening moments of this episode is Ranera falling apart. Yes. I don't know if surprising. I I guess this is it this is makes sense from the standpoint of just kind of the way Ranera, the direction she's moving in, is what she does with Maseria. Because, you know, last episode Ranera and Maseria had a little bit of sexy time going on there, as Patrick O'Dadd say, Tunny. You know, they were they were getting it on. And you think, okay, Maseria's like I've you know, this is where I've I you know, I've got the queen where I wanna be, you know, I'm literally in bed with her, that sort of thing. So Ranera, I guess, you know, the episode never really kind of defines why she basically exiles Masaria out of this whole place. I mean, I think you can speculate that maybe it was because Maseria concealed Helena's pregnancy from her. Maybe that's part of it. Maybe it's because Ranera knows she has strong

feelings for Maseria and she doesn't want that to get in the way of what she needs to do, where she knows that she needs to go to make this decision. Maybe she feels guilty about what happened with the two of them. And you know, especially as she's turning to to Damon for more of this stuff. you know, I guess, and maybe, maybe she's pissed off that Maseria didn't really do her job, which was to let her know, hey, Aegon's still out there somewhere. And now I I don't know how she could have possibly known that, but you know. She's what is what is her nickname, right? The mistress of whispers, right? I mean, that's what Maseria is. So you're supposed to be the one, the c you know, all the clandestine stuff. You're supposed to be like the CIA of this show. And this huge revelation that you should have heard something about this. she didn't hear anything about that. And I don't know if maybe that has something to do with Renera saying you need to go. But Masaria doesn't take this whole shit lying down quietly. You know, she just doesn't go, you know, go gently into that good night. She tells Helena and is brutally clear. And this is I suspect this has a big motivation on what happens with Helena. but you know, she's like, you can't trust her. all the stuff about, you know, you're carrying Aegon's child. What you think that's going to mean for you? And as a lot of the chaos is going on, Masaria, she manages to slip away, which kind of like, Harkens back to the original Game of Thrones. Like, didn't this happen with somebody else who's being shuttled out of this? Or it was like Tyrion's like love interest, right? Shay. Didn't that sort sort of happen to her as well? Something similar to this, where she's supposed to be going someplace and she kind of escapes and ends up someplace differently. So you know, and Maseria knows all the secrets of the red keep, so good luck finding her. But Deege, let me go to you right now, you know. It we you know, we we you could actually draw a c a parallel more to unidentified history here than than anything else because yeah, it's like you're firing the person who knows all of the secrets of your government. Probably not a good strategic decision on Renera's part here. @TheMindlessPod: No, she knows where all the bodies are buried. But what I'm telling myself, because the Yeah. She does. She knows she knows where all the Dave Ungar: Yeah, they're thank I mean perfect analogy, Deege. That is that is full on unidentified history there. @TheMindlessPod: bodies are buried. what I'm telling myself is because they didn't, like you said, they didn't thoroughly explain it in the episode as to why she fired her and s you know, ushered her out of the city. She just didn't flick the bean properly. I think at the end of the day that was the that was the deciding factor. but Dave Ungar: Okay. @TheMindlessPod: no. I digress. I think I just broke Tony. I think I just broke Dave. No. Dave Ungar: Wow wow. Wow. She fired her cause you just didn't get it done in the sack, Miss Area. @TheMindlessPod: You didn't get it done in the sack, pal. No, I think we've spent the last several episodes with Renera having a devil on one shoulder and a devil on Dave Ungar: Hmm. @TheMindlessPod: the other. And I think she finally chose what she felt to be the better of the two devils, and that is Damon. And I think we talked about that the last time I was on with you guys. She was gonna have to choose one of them. And it ended up being Damon. Dave Ungar: Yeah. And it makes sense. I mean, when the chips are down, when i everything's on the line, who would you rather go marching into battle with? Maseria who has no dragon? @TheMindlessPod: The Targaryen is going to choose blood over bureaucracy every day. Every day. And Damon's all about Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: the bloodletting. Dave Ungar: Absolutely. Yeah. He's like, let it flow. Tunny, what did you think of this whole situation with Ranera and Maseria and how that kind of went down? Cause I think Deege, you know, other than the, you know, maybe she didn't do it for her in the sack sort of thing. I we don't know. But what do you think about his other more let's say more well reasoned analysis? @PCTunney: Yeah. I think Brennera may have known even before they hooked up that last time, right? Like, hey, well, Dave Ungar: Sure. @PCTunney: you know, I I I'm not gonna let you know this, but let's let's have one last fling and then we'll send you out of here. It's Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: it is interesting, you know, you bring up the point of you let the person go that knows the most, that it can do the most damage, but she doesn't think that she's gonna escape. She thinks she's gonna be sent to where she's being sent. Like most people have been gone to where they're supposed to go. I'll kind of hold off on their next meeting that only one is aware of, which is towards the end of the episode. But yeah, it's interesting. It it's really kind of like if you want to nitpick something in the episode, like the way she gets away is a little bit kind of really if it was that important, would we not have, you know, like I mean So question Dave Ungar: Right. But I mean @PCTunney: again, how how smart is Renera for not having a super guarded, you know exile? @TheMindlessPod: Well, most of her most of her guard is dead. @PCTunney: I completely agree with that as well, right? And the rest Dave Ungar: True. Yeah. @PCTunney: of it is about to be put into a horrible position. Dave Ungar: Yeah, by the time you get into it, most everybody's gone. So but yeah, I I mean it is it is kind of like you know, it's it's like a wrestling analogy, it's the rough bump, right? there's a distraction over here, and they just escape through the escape through the crowd. @TheMindlessPod: Here come the shenanigans. Dave Ungar: That's right, escape through the crowd. So I mean it it kind of it kind of works that way, but @PCTunney: Somebody says shenanigans, I love

that place. Dave Ungar: Helena and Ranera. this this gets very uncomfortable. And of course it's gonna end tragically at the end of this whole thing. But you know, Helena stopped eating. She's sinking further into despair. Ranera tries to reason with her, but you know, Helena kind of like does this moral judgment card and throws it back on her. and and Helena's the one who kind of like calls Ranera out that your power in this war have changed you. you know, whatever nobility you may have had is pretty much gone. And Ranera kind of demonstrating just how right Helena is, she is she compassionate for her? No. She force feeds her fucking ass. Guards pin her down and force feeds her. and I think this is this is one of those examples where you just kind of get to see how nasty Ranera is starting to turn into because this is her sister. Her sister who's pregnant. and instead of showing any modicum of compassion or or sympathy or empathy on that for that matter. She she does something really kind of tyrannical here, you know, and really just like get the guards, shove this down your fucking throat, and this is what's gonna happen. So Helena at this point, you know, and you take this and you know when we get to the episode, we'll talk about the tragedy of Helena, but she sees what's going on. Mysterius warned her about this. And as this is happening, Renera now is not Not treating her as a sister. She's not even really treating her as a person. Helena's being preserved because she's probably a pawn or useful tool in this whole thing at this point. Good. @PCTunney: Well, she's a she's a dreamer. She you know. Dave Ungar: Well, that too, yeah. And there's very and as since you watch the you watch the @PCTunney: Less than three. Dave Ungar: and yeah, so you watch the whole thing at the the end, and you know, yeah, there's fewer dreamers and dragons. So go ahead, Tunny, while you're you're talking, so jump on in here, man. @PCTunney: Sorry. @TheMindlessPod: Caught him Dave Ungar: No, @TheMindlessPod: in mid sip, like a bartender. Dave Ungar: no, I no. Yeah. @PCTunney: One thing Renera has going for her going into next season is what Helena leaves in her windowsill is what she's been sewing and knitting and and and which is like pro prophetic, you know. So that's that could be something I don't know if she was prophesizing exactly what was gonna happen to her or what was about to happen to everybody else, but it sure looked like everybody was gonna die. And you know what mean? So Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: that that could be the one interesting thing. But yeah, it's just sad all around. and I don't think it's I don't think she thinks of it really as her sister. She thinks of it as Alison's daughter and Agon's wife. Right? You know, Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yep. @PCTunney: Alison is more of a sister to her than Helena is, right? If we really Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: want to think about it. That's who her sister is. That's why she's still alive, Alicent. do you

guys also think that the the The scene with Alicent where the butterflies are flying that she's being told that Elena has passed. @TheMindlessPod: That's how I interpreted Dave Ungar: I @TheMindlessPod: it. Dave Ungar: yeah, I @PCTunney: That's what I heard. Dave Ungar: mean, whether it's really, you know, however you want to describe it, her soul being freed and and sending a message to to Allison or whether it's just symbolism because of what Helena represented with butterflies and cat. And like she told she talks to Renera in the scene about a beetle, a beautiful beetle that feeds on the waste of other creatures, right? And I mean, and it's it's poetic in a in a way, but this is This is who Helena is, is that, and this mate what makes this whole situation even worse. Because Helena sees the beauty in creatures who are engaged in the worst sort of stuff, right? And Ranera is just lost to all that now. And and Ranera wasn't always that way, and probably wasn't that way when the season started. But as you get to this point near the end, Helena sees all this stuff and she still sees the beauty in the world, despite the worst of it, until the very end, you know. Deeje, I'll go to you on this whole Helena Rennera kind of thing. I mean, you know, when we get to the I mean, I guess we can tie it into and and just, you know, cut to the chase on this thing and tal Yeah. Right. I mean @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, you kinda can't talk about this without talking about that. It's just even though they happened at total ends of the episode, it's Dave Ungar: at total ends of the episode. But go ahead, Deech. Talk talk about the Helena Ranera, the evolution in @TheMindlessPod: one I think Tunny hit the nail on the head with the butterflies because wasn't there an episode earlier on in the season where Helena's in the garden and she's messing with a caterpillar? Dave Ungar: Yes. @TheMindlessPod: Am I remembering that correctly? Okay, so yeah, so I tied all that together pretty quickly. as far as Renera and how she treats her, God, this is just a panic move. She's panicking at this point. Aegon's still alive. She has Aegon's. Wife, his unborn child. We have a whole situation here. If nothing else, I need to keep her alive as long as possible. And I I think in that moment, Helena realizes she has more power for Renera alive, which is partially why she's trying to starve herself to death. And then at the end of the day, she's like, you know what? I'll just take it the quick way. @PCTunney: Egon's gonna think that Renera killed her. @TheMindlessPod: Exactly. Exactly. Dave Ungar: And his unborn child. Yes. A and his unborn child. When this comes out, comes news of this comes out. @TheMindlessPod: He is going to rain hell down on that woman. Dave Ungar: it's gonna be yeah, hellish. Let's let's our friend Lee's got some stuff. Maseria's plot with her @PCTunney: Yeah, Lee got some good points in there. Dave Ungar: with her being a voice for the poor and the small folk, honestly. I'm not sure why the showrunner keeps her in. I I mean it's a good point. I I see where I see where Masaria's benefit is well, I mean I Where does she fit in in season four is a good question because she's basically been a shit stirrer during this season and is playing Damon versus Ranera the whole season and it works to some extent until it doesn't at the end. Go ahead, Tunny. @PCTunney: There's one place she still has favor, the last person she gave a favor to that was outside of who she's loyal to, and that was when she didn't say when she didn't tell on Alison. So Alison still kinda Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: owes her a little bit. So she could end up being an insider for the high Dave Ungar: And Alison is out there, yeah. @PCTunney: towers, you know, in the shadows there in in at Kin's Landing, so @TheMindlessPod: I think she still has a part to play in season four. Dave Ungar: Yeah. I'm sure she does. It's just like standing at the where we end up with season three and looking at the landscape, it's like I'm not sure where she fits in, but people like her always seem to turn up, you know, like a bad penny. Use old vernacular, right, Deege? You know, like a bad penny they @PCTunney: This one. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: just turn up. Don't call me a boomer, please, Tony. Thank you. So @PCTunney: No, I said @TheMindlessPod: No. @PCTunney: I just spent this one. How did I get it back so quick? Dave Ungar: Yeah, exactly. Lee also had a comment about Helena the tapestry, her knitting the tapestry was cool. It really was because you see her working on it the entire season, but you don't get the full flavor of what she has created until the very end when you realize that she's, you know, thrown herself out the window and has killed herself. The old you know escaping Renera's wrath the most tragic way possible. But yeah, I mean @TheMindlessPod: And I love how that ties into the intro of the show because the intro of the show is all the cross stitch work. Dave Ungar: Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And I mean, like you guys are saying, Aegon is going to be furious about this as if he's not pissed off enough at the world. but @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, he's already mad at everybody that lives. Dave Ungar: how is Alison going to re I mean, this, you know, Alison is going to realize that everything she told Renera earlier in the season, that this is what will become of you, this is what you will turn into, that's going to be more evident than ever to her when she realizes And learns what has happened to Helena, who and but at the same time, the guilt that Allison is going to feel because she left her to go on this mission for Renera. And you know, the worst case scenario has taken place. So I don't know, man. It's that it it was terribly tragic. And @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, I think that'll be the final nail in the coffin in that relationship. You know, because I went off Dave Ungar: Yeah. I mean think a @TheMindlessPod: to do something for you.

Never mind the fact that she didn't succeed at the at the task, which we'll get to in a minute, but she comes back and the only thing I asked you to do was keep my kid alive and Dave Ungar: Well, never mind the fact on top of that. Think about what Renera has done to Alicent this season, right? She beheads her fucking father and then Helena dies on her watch while she's off going doing to do some sort of mission half ass that she never even wanted to do. @PCTunney: I I I know we're all like in the midst of jumping ship to the other side here, but let's not forget this is all Alice's fault because she desperately wanted her line to be in power and when she she knew the whole time that he wasn't talking about their fucking dope of a fucking kid. I mean, come on, let's be real. @TheMindlessPod: Was that her dream or was that her father's? Dave Ungar: They're fathers. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, I think her father put that in her head. I don't think she had any real any real lust for power until her dad planted that planted that on her. Dave Ungar: I mean, there's the story of the the pro the pro and this is where we come back to prophecy 'cause Renera thinks that she's prophesized with this whole thing, you know My wi embroidery dudes. Yes, we know th thank you, Mrs. Attitude. It is embroidery and and I appreciate when my wife, you know, throws us these little nuggets of wisdom. So, you know. @PCTunney: Is that origami she was doing? Is that is that what that's called? Origami? Is that underwater basket weaving? I've heard of that too. Dave Ungar: I I don't think you're gonna you're gonna Bro, I gotta I gotta live with this. I gotta live with this. Yeah @TheMindlessPod: origami, that's what Renera and Massandra were doing earlier. But never mind. @PCTunney: I just remember there's there's this Eve Six song where they mention origami. Dave Ungar: I I gotta I gotta deal with her later on, Tunny. Don't don't put the attitude and Mrs. Attit too much. So @PCTunney: Welcome to Not My Problem, everybody. Dave Ungar: And @TheMindlessPod: That sounds like a Dave problem. Dave Ungar: It it really it really does. It really duh @PCTunney: Love you, Mrs. Attitude. Dave Ungar: yeah. Yeah, thank you, the guys. Guys are such good friends. okay. I I do. I I'm on it most @TheMindlessPod: David, do you have a comfortable couch? Dave Ungar: of the time anyway. let yeah, @TheMindlessPod: Hey. Dave Ungar: let's talk about Tumbleton. I mean, 'cause this is where a lot of what's going on with this episode is really focused in focusing in on the battle of Tumbleton. So Damon marches in on Tumbleton. You know, the military, this is the military centerpiece of the finale. The long-awaited, I they've been teasing this battle for what, since episode two, right? So we've gone five episodes before we finally get here. Damon finally gets the green light from Ronera. You know, go conquer, just don't make me look bad, and all this. So, okay. So Damon leads Ranera's forces alongside the River Lords. Roderick Dustin is there. Roddy the ruin. I think that's the grizzled veteran of the dude who's like. Yeah, he's like, Don't worry, I won't die until I open the gate, you know, that sort of thing, you know. It's @PCTunney: That interaction with his like Damon is like the best head coach ever. He gives the greatest pep talks. Everybody's always fired up. He's done it multiple Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: times, right? You know. He got got it. Get inside open door, then die. Dave Ungar: Yeah, it's like if Damon was like Bane from The Dark Knight Rises, once you had the door open, then you had my permission to die. You know, that's so it's @PCTunney: He's so good. He's probably he's easily one of the greatest warriors in in Game of Thrones lore and you you can see that and see why, individually and leading a group. Dave Ungar: Yeah. this seems simple enough for Damon and and for the forces of Ranera, right? We're just going to, we're gonna basically hulk smash, you know. We're gonna just smash your battlements, we're gonna burn everything, we're gonna take out your position, we're gonna remove one of the strongest remaining threats to Ranera's rule. It'll be over quick and easy. Perfect. But Ormond proves that son of a bitch that he is, how smart he is, because. He does something very ugly. And there's a lot of ugliness in this episode. But here is one of the more ugly things he does. He uses children. He places children in front of the defenses. knowing that Renaire, you know, he's gambling on the fact that Damon, even as bloodlusting as he is, is not going to unleash dragon fire on a bunch of innocent kids. you know, and this is what This is why as much as DJ and I and and Tony, I know you d dislike Orman as well, but you have to tip your hat to him and talk about military strategy here and say, smart move. Because he's been doing this the whole season. He has taken Tumbleton with the understanding that Ranera will never burn her own supporters. And here he amplifies that says, Not only will Renera not burn her own supporters, which she's at the point where she will, but he's like, Well, just in case she would. She won't burn kids, will she? And and I mean, it's a good strategy, but Damon eventually is like, fuck this, and decides I've had enough of this crap. he brings Caraxis into the fight, they burn through Tumbleton's gates, and at that point, everything descends into chaos. Luckily, most of the kids got away. A couple of them didn't. Deach, let me go to you first on this opening kind of battle that's happening here at Tumbleton with Orman's great strategic move that works up to the point that Damon finally says, I've had enough of this bullshit. Caraxis, Dracaris, and off and running to the race as we go. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, Orman's such a son of a bitch, but he's a great strategist. And he's been one step ahead of Renera the entire time because he knows that she, because you know, she still, at least in his head, pulls the

strings, doesn't have the stomach for war. And she doesn't have the stomach to do what it would take to get him out of there. Damon does, and Damon, you know, executes said plan in his own vision and to to catastrophic results here. Just absolutely catastrophic. There is collateral damage, unfortunately. And the the the look of shock on Orman's face when he excuse me, when he finally realizes, wait a minute, this didn't work is brilliant. It's like we Dave Ungar: Right. @TheMindlessPod: may actually have to fight now. Dave Ungar: Yeah, the gamble that he he put all of his chips on the table. I'm betting everything on black thirty th you know, whatever the number is, and it comes @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: up red. but literally comes up red. Tunny, your thoughts on Or Orman sound military strategy at the outset of this battle, but I don't think he counted on Damon going full Damon, which he does. @PCTunney: Let's let's get to the next couple of parts. They're better. Dave Ungar: Okay. God. It's like it's like it's like @PCTunney: There's not much else to say. There's not much else to say about the beginning, right? You know, Damon gets everybody fired up. You know, they can't get the gate open, so he's had enough, he's gonna go and he's gonna handle it himself. We do see a kid get fucking axed right across the face. I'm leaving all the good stuff out for you to cover. There's there's well there's Dave Ungar: Thanks. It's like it's like we're reviewing a dark match on King of the Ring ninety five or something. I have no comment. @TheMindlessPod: Dave, Dave, tell us how the kids died. That's your job. Dave Ungar: Ha ha ha. @PCTunney: I mean there's two great his epic lines in this episode and you're about to get to one of and then I have a kind of a funny thing I want to do for something else that's about to happen here, so go ahead. Dave Ungar: Well, tell me the epic line. I want to make sure I I mean one of the things @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: that becomes apparent in this @PCTunney: that's a fucking from the north when he sticks that Dave Ungar: That's true. @PCTunney: knife right up Orman's ass, right? You know. Dave Ungar: Yeah, right, right, right. That's that's a that is a yeah a poetic death for Orman, you know, with a with a sword up the ass and dragon fire. But before we get to that iconic scene, you do have Damon basically ordering this no mercy, right? We don't want we don't want pr no prisoners. Kill everybody, kill them all, let God sort them out. That is Damon's marching orders. We're not taking prisoners. Probably because they can't afford to feed him anyway, because there's no gold. and when when he does this, especially when that gate swings open and we turn into full-on just this fight in the streets, right? I mean, it's not no longer this neat military confrontation with dragons anymore. And there's so much in this episode that reminded me of what was it season episode seven. Of the original final season of the original series, right? Where Jon Snow's huh? @PCTunney: Go ahead. Dave Ungar: No, like when Jon Snow's walking through where is it? What King's Landing, right? At the end of and and @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: it looks like a nuclear bomb has gone off, and John's wandering @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: through there in a daze looking at just the ruin of what Daenerys has done. There's a similar throwback in this episode. That happens to Damon later on, but I couldn't help but notice the striking similarity between Tumbleton and King's Landing, 200 years separated apart, you know, because Damon experiences the same sort of devastation. And kind of looking around before he's eventually grabbed out of there and say, hey, this is done. I just thought, you know, Damon steps into the role of Jon Snow, or maybe Jon Snow stepped into Damon's role, however you want to cut it. But in this fight that breaks loose, It's not about the dragons. It's nothing neat. There's no great, you know, it's nothing like the military. It's just brutal street-to-street fighting slaughter. Civilians are caught in the middle of this thing. Homes get invaded. And everybody's dying. Men, women, children. It doesn't matter. They're all dying in this thing. you know, Kat, Hugh the Hammer's wife, during the assault, she gets seized amid all this house-to-house violence. We assume she's dead, but we don't know for sure. And I would not be surprised to learn that she has survived this. and of course, this becomes really important when you look at the whole aspect of Hugh and Ulf in this episode and what Ulf eventually does. Hugh has been kind of questioning Renera's rule as well. And now, because of this whole situation with Damon, we're presuming his wife is killed. so you know. What does that do for Hugh's loyalty moving into season four? Because like Tunny did say at the beginning of this episode, lots of dragons are gonna die in season four. Unfortunately, there's no way to avoid that. but you know, does this further swing the balance of power? So I don't know, either of you jumped on in here and talk about how when this battle devolves, it devolves quickly into a massacre. And, you know, go ahead. @PCTunney: me do this let me do this real quick and then DJ can go before I forget, but he likes his dragon but he loves the bar. Sometimes he doesn't wake up for war. @TheMindlessPod: Has anybody got a tomato? Dave Ungar: Ha ha ha. @PCTunney: And then Nick Ear off @TheMindlessPod: Ugh. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Olf and Hugh because remember, Olf ultimately got won over by the the high towers. You know, he he turns on Ranera, he turns on everybody. He and then he ultimately turns on Ormond. So he's kind of all the at the end of the episode, it leaves it ambiguous, but it's very obvious. He got tired of being abused by Ranera. Orman abuses him towards the right before the battle starts. So he's like, okay, yeah, fuck that guy too. so now he's just kind

of he he @PCTunney: To be fair, he was fucking passed out drunk when he was the main component of the battle. like Yeah. I mean yeah. Dave Ungar: On the sh on the shitter. Passed out drunk on the shitter. @TheMindlessPod: He was. Yeah, he was called. @PCTunney: I book I'll apropos for Orman to have to discover that, right? @TheMindlessPod: Right. Dave Ungar: With his with his sensitivities as they such that they may be, right? So yeah, I @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, we'll see what happens with those guys in episode four. I expect whatever happens with those particular Dragon Riders, that will be a pivotal story in season four. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. The Dragon Riders, I mean, how I mean, and you think about, you know, Bela in this episode finally gets the balls to stand up to her. Lots of people stand up to Ranera in this episode, they're finally like been holding their tongues for this whole season. And Bela basically comes out and says, Fucking your fault that Jace died, not mine. You're the shit. You go, girl. but I I but I it's stuff that Ranera needed to hear because everybody's been so busy kissing her ass this season. And that's not what she needed because that was not helping her move forward as far as th her reign was the only one who's like on the level with her the whole season, Damon. The only one, you know, you still gotta kill Darren, you know, saying it as he's walking out the door and shit like that. It just yeah. @PCTunney: You still got killed there on Dave Ungar: No, that's right. See, Tunny, Tunny's got it down. Lee, Lee's got something to hear about the battle. you know, smart and dumb move on Orman's part when facing Northman, kids can't do much. That's true. I mean, it militarily, a smart move on Orman's part. for @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: the longevity of the battle, probably not so much. But again, it it is the it is the ultimate gamble. I am gambling that she will not do this. And guess what? You were wrong. And Everything kind of devolves from there and and off we go literally to the races. Daron, you know, we just talked about, you know, you still gotta kill Daron. He's he's in such a bad spot in this episode because he's trying to make peace. He's n attempting him and Gwen are trying to negotiate this whole thing. I mean, when before the battle starts, they bring out Corless and they come up with this great sort of I don't know if it's a great offer. Sounds good on paper, right? Hey, look, you guys take all of this stuff over here and just leave Daron with Tumbleton, right? You know, it's like, do you remember the original Superman movie from 1978 where they go in there and and and Lex Luthor, they've got the thing over there, which is like the overlay on the San Andreas Fault, showing where once the fault breaks, all these towns that Lex Luthor is going to, you know, Luther's Ville and all this stuff. And then there's this little teeny town called Otisburg, right? That's what this reminded me of. @TheMindlessPod:

Otisburg. Dave Ungar: Otisburg. This reminded me that Daron was going to take over Otisburg, right? And Erinero is gonna have the rest of California. I'm here for you guys, man. @TheMindlessPod: That's great call, Dave. Otisburg? Dave Ungar: Otisburg, it's this little teeny @PCTunney: Well so there was Dave Ungar: Miss Tatsbacher has her own town over here in Otisburg. @TheMindlessPod: Ha ha ha @PCTunney: It was also presented as being like the wardens of the south, you know, as as the the Starks are wardens of the north. So it was a it Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: was smart as far as Daron goes, like he knows what's about to happen. Dave Ungar: Yeah. No, Daron knows and I mean and and Gwen to his credit is trying to like convince Daron don't jump blindly into this battle. He's got what Tesserion Tesserion's the name of his dragon, right? @PCTunney: Just leave. Go. Do you have a dragon? Yeah, I think so. Do you have a dragon? Just leave. Dave Ungar: Yeah, I mean Tesserion is way too small to be in this type of a fight right now. He needs to grow up a little bit more. Of course, he's kept in that fucking room, so how big can he really get? But yeah, Daron wants to charge into battle because, you know, he wants to die a hero. I I mean, and Gwen, of course, has just heard Cole say the same stupid shit. And so he's like, No, that's not gonna happen with you. I already saw what this did to Cole. so I'm not gonna let you do that. But Damon wants nothing to do with this offer of peace. And, you know, Corliss tries to reason with him a little bit, but they eventually they just take Corless and say, now we're gonna attack you guys. Come with me, Seasnake, and and off they go. So you know, maybe had this been presented to Ranera or Damon earlier in the season, you might have had a chance of negotiating something, but not here. At this moment, you're wasting your time. Everybody's committed to war. no I mean and and Daron's fate after the battle is kinda left uncertain. I don't know. Do we see what happens to him or I I think doesn't Gwen find him or something? I I don't completely remember. Go ahead, guys. @PCTunney: Gwane's alive, I don't know that we see Daron or not. go ahead, DJ, I'll effort that exact thing. The only other thing I wanted to add is that Tess Tesserion is probably one of the most beautiful dragons, by the way. Dave Ungar: Sure. Yes. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, beautiful coloring. @PCTunney: And I would imagine they get more, you know, scarred and scaled with war as they get older, but just a very pretty looking dragon. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. I was gonna say that even if they had presented this, hey, let him have Tumbletown to Renera, it wasn't gonna work because you gotta remember Ormond's goal was not Tumbletown. He's grooming Dayron to sit on the throne. His his goal was to put the high towers on the Iron Throne. So yeah, that he was never gonna settle for Tumbletown. @PCTunney: Here's the thing too, like at some point Orman finds out that Daron made this this offer and has this look of Yeah, Dave Ungar: Right as the fight starts. @PCTunney: has this look of extreme disappointment. And I only bring it up because I truly think he believed in Daron. Like I as @TheMindlessPod: He did. @PCTunney: much as he was the way he was, he really wanted it for him, and I think he truly felt betrayed. Like I think he was legit in how he ended up showing him the coin after he lost that game to him. Like I think he was legit mad at him for Like not stepping up saying I won, right? Because he wanted him to be the person, just to add to the fact of what you're saying, Orman wanted the high towers to be in power, period. @TheMindlessPod: Orman wants Dayron to want it as much as he does. @PCTunney: Right. Right. Dave Ungar: And there's a certain level of naivete about Orman in this whole situation, right? Where he like you're saying, he wanted him to want it as much as he did. And thought that because he'd raised him for all these years that he was gonna get that out of him, but Daron really didn't want any part of that whole thing. @PCTunney: So at the end Gwane is s searching for Daron and we don't it it's pretty ambiguous but he's he's not dead. We haven't opened the box up yet. Dave Ungar: That's true. We have not opened the box yet. Schrdinger's @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: cat. Wow. We are really like bringing in all we're pulling in all this shit from these different shows. Schrdinger's cat is still alive. There's some quantum entanglement going on with yeah, I I like it, Tony. I'm digging it, man. Crazy stuff. Who thought we could @TheMindlessPod: Like the chair shot multiverse. Dave Ungar: I who thought we could bring an unidentified history and quantum physics into an episode of House of the Dragon? But @PCTunney: Till, tell you, tell you, tell you. Dave Ungar: So we talked about allf. Let's get into allf a little bit because yeah, when when @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, that guy. @PCTunney: You remember Herm? You remember Herm from Invincible, Dave? Herm. The episode whether it was Herm now Dave Ungar: Yes, yes. @PCTunney: I think with Dave Ungar: That motherfucker o I mean @PCTunney: He's gonna get worse than killed with a fucking knife up the ass. He's he's gonna get burnt by his own eaten by his own dragon, I bet ya. Dave Ungar: You you predicted that last week. I was waiting for it to happen this week. It doesn't happen. But @PCTunney: Got it. Dave Ungar: Ulf Ulf basically, so he cuts the deal with Orman. He's partying down in Tumbleton, you know, and partying a little bit too much. And as we said, when he's eventually discovered by Orman, he's drunk passed out on the shitter. and then you get this big moment where once Orman gets past his gag reflex, right? He's able to Replicate exactly what Damon did to Ulf that turned Ulf to Orman's side. Orman does the exact same thing and beats the shit out of him in front of everybody, embarrasses Ulf and all this sort of stuff. so you know, I

I think in a way, Ulf being drunk, passed out on the toilet is poetic. But at the end of the day, like Tunny, you were alluding to, Ulf just betrays everybody. It's equal opportunity betrayal at the end of this thing. He does what he was supposed to do. He turns the tide of the battle. what I couldn't figure out is when Ulf starts burning down all of Renera's forces, what is Kraxis doing? Is he just sitting there going, damn, that looks fucked up? you know, you would think like, but he doesn't have his dragon rider, so he doesn't really have and and he's a different sort of dragon. Sheep Stealer would jumped in there, but Carraxis is probably like, where's my master? What? Fuck is going on here? so once Silverwing is in the air, Ulf basically, yeah, he does, he turns into his own faction at that point. He is a double agent at this point. He's out for himself. Nobody is safe. @PCTunney: Holf W O Dave Ungar: Ulf the @TheMindlessPod: Right. Dave Ungar: UWO, exactly, the @PCTunney: Of of of off world order. Dave Ungar: Cause I mean, he burns blacks, he burns the high towers, he's I mean this whole red sowing that that Rennera did in season two, this is the ultimate ramification of it. With you gave a drunkard a nuclear bomb. You gave the kids all the matches, and here's what happens to you. And yeah, the the whole scene just comes crashing down. And and it and it leads right into this big fight between Roddy and Orman. They're throwing down with each other. It's a it's a it's a big time brawl. And Orman is actually like I you know, this is like one of the fight's most brutal sequences. I mean, one of the more brutal fight. There's two really brutal fights in here. Orman cuts off Roderick's arm. Rod Roddy's like, fuck it. and he just keeps fighting anyway. he fatally stabs Orman in the ass, as we noted, just as Ulf decides to say Huh? Up the ass. @PCTunney: Yeah up the ass. Up the air. Dave Ungar: Up the ass, yes. Because what did he s what does he say, Tony? This @PCTunney: In in the ass would have been maybe like a cheek or something up the ass is just like, yeah, this is a proper fucking from the @TheMindlessPod: Right up to Dave Ungar: This is how we f you get fucked by the north, yeah. @PCTunney: There it is. Like you phase like a flash phase it right a brrrr Dave Ungar: Yeah, and and Olf decides and he says, fuck you too, to to to Ormond. And I I love the juxtaposition of these two guys at the very moment of their death, right? Orman is just crying like a bitch. Now he does have a knife up his ass. So I mean that's one problem. But Roddy, on the other hand, just like, yeah, bring it. I this is like his glorious Valhalla moment. it's such a beautiful moment. I mean, it's tragic, yes, but The fact of it, the matter is, you know, you get this big moment with the with the whole burning of everything and everybody. But Dee, let me go to you first. This whole Ulf's betrayal, out for his own, you know, playing both sides of the fence. And he's really like Tunny says, he is the UWO at this point. He's just in it for himself and @PCTunney: Of off world order. Dave Ungar: Ulf world order. Yeah, I I I dig it. I dig it, man. Go ahead, Deech. @TheMindlessPod: Nobody to blame here for this but Ranera. Ranera Dave Ungar: That's right. @TheMindlessPod: treated him the way she treated him. He thought he was gonna at least get a decent place to live. She said, No, you go hang out on the hill and guard the city. He's like, Well, can I come in and at least have a beer once in a while? No, you can go hang out on the hill and guard the city. No drinks, no fun, no whoring around. And so @PCTunney: That was part part of the decision though, DJ, sorry. @TheMindlessPod: No, but it Dave Ungar: Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: pissed him off. That's how i it made @PCTunney: Yeah well. @TheMindlessPod: him easy pickings for Orma. @PCTunney: Look what happens when Orvid lets him have a drink though. Sorry, I'll be quiet now. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, still if if Renera had just let him have aging you gotta let him moderate. Come if you let him have a couple of drinks, but keep him like give him a chaperone. Whereas I can Orman's an idiot. He's Yeah, go whore and drink and do whatever you wanna do and whatever, it's have fun, pal. Just do what I need you to do. Well that's when he went out of control and ended up on the shitter. @PCTunney: Not good. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, no, all of her neighbor's Dave Ungar: man. @TheMindlessPod: fault. She should have treated him a little better, let him have a drink here and there. He would have totally stayed with her. Dave Ungar: Well, it's more Damon didn't didn't help either slapping the shit out of him. Bitch slapping him in the street wasn't a good move. @TheMindlessPod: Well, Damon was tired @PCTunney: Ultimately @TheMindlessPod: of putting up with his shit. @PCTunney: Yeah, ultimately Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: Ulf is just a a a putz, right? But it's @TheMindlessPod: PS. @PCTunney: interesting enough though, Dave, you brought it up earlier how Damon was kind of embattled in this battle for lack of a better term, like Jon Snow was, and you had this intricate kind of like, you know, concussionary kind of visu visual media consumption experience, right? I felt the same way once the dragon started attacking Tumbleton that Iastark experienced when she when when Khaleesi unleashed like you kinda move forward in that same sp spot, right? And you kinda get that same concussionary ashes and and burning debris and it's and the funny and the funny Dave Ungar: Slow mo slow motion and everything, yeah. @PCTunney: Yeah, and the funny thing about it is we I've talked a lot about how like kind of like how powerful each of these warriors are individually as knights and as as as you know generals and things of that nature. Whoever that Ormond or whoever that high tower warrior was that basically had Damon dead to rights before before Dave Ungar: Beep, beep. @PCTunney: the shit went down, I mean,

whoever that guy is, throw him up on the top of the list too. But Damon survives for reasons, right? And it's and it's the belief that they have. We've talked about it before with And we're probably about to talk about it after this with the speech that Renera's gonna give. They believe they're chosen, they're the blood, they're the dragons, you know, controllers and you know, they should be in power. But a lot of interesting similarities like you said. I it's the first thing I thought of when you said that, I wanted to bring that up bring it up here. Dave Ungar: Yeah, it feels the battle of King's Landing at the end of the original series and this battle sure a lot of striking similarities. And like you're saying, you know, the concussive force, everything kind of slowing down. Damon kind of taking the role of Jon Snow and Arya Stark in in in this in this episode. And and I I think that's a really good place to kind of segue into just kind of like You know, Damon does get in this big fight with whoever that that warrior is for the high tower warrior, who I agree with you, Tony. He got Damon got his ass whooped. You know, it's a good fight for a while, but Damon gets his ass whooped at the end of this whole thing. and yeah, you know, when Damon sees, he sees with fire and blood, you know. I mean, that's what the actual book is called, Fire and Blood, right? And he gets to see what that means at the end of this episode because it's just devastation. You know, and it and it is so much like the whole Jon Snow thing because he sees the same stuff, right? Civilians carrying bodies, children fleeing burned homes, people just charred to a crisp from dragon fire. and it's like, I don't know, man. In in this moment, Damon who has such a bloodlust in this entire series, right? He has this entire series, this whole season, especially, he's been fiending. For this bloodlust. But in this moment, I don't know what you guys thought. He doesn't look excited by what he's seeing. He kind of looks horrified by everything that's going on around him. And he gets to see what all this fire and blood means. And it's like, my God, this is truly horrifying. luckily, Corless is the one who finds Damon, tells him the battle is lost, Ulphus betrayed us, we need to retreat. and this is a major turning point. possibly for Damon going into season four. you know, because Damon has been going around this entire season talking about we have dragons, let's use them. and here Damon uses it, but he's standing inside the result of what happens when that power is used against you. So he sees firsthand the power of these weapons of mass destruction, these nuclear bombs like like like Lee was saying earlier. He sees it firsthand This is like being in Hiroshima or Nagasaki after the bomb has gone off. Tony, I'll go to you first. What kind of long-term impact might this have on Damon going into season four, seeing up close and personal the devastation of these immense weapons? @PCTunney: Gets to see it from the ground. He's seen it from the air. He's seen it before. He's just not seen it from the perspective that he's seen it from, right? He's used to being the one doing the burning. Now he's witnessing it from the the the tragedy and and you know the the the death of everything, right? You we talked about their nuclear weapons, right? Especially in this time and day. But moving forward, I I don't know. I mean, I guess. He could be a little bit more measured, but I mean, isn't he just measured enough to be Damon? Maybe that'll be a bad thing, right? Maybe that'll be his demise too. Dave Ungar: It goes against his inner workings to be more measured and more calculating because he's very impulsive. @PCTunney: Outside of Yeah, outside of like his daughters, which we found out, right? Like he's very, you Dave Ungar: Right, right. @PCTunney: know, protective that way. Dave Ungar: I I wanna go back a couple of things like Lee was saying, Roderick's arm getting cut off is in the book. So that's cool. So that's one place that they honored the book. I like that's @PCTunney: There's hold on, there's a social media post out there with the two actors in that scene, Ormond and and the guy who sticks the knife up. Dave Ungar: Roddy. @PCTunney: Yeah, and the great part about it is that they're it's a it's a photo from the shoot and they're both smiling and the one guy standing there with like instead of the green, it's blue. His one arm is all wrapped in blue so you can't see it, right? So you know what scene they're Dave Ungar: Nice. @PCTunney: shooting. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Dave Ungar: And you and Lee came up with the name of the guy, Sir John Roxton. Epic fight. And Lee Lee brings up a good point here. Damon showing his age. Damon is not as young as Springtime anymore. I mean, and and this guy is significantly younger. And then Tunny, I think you you posted up here, PC Tunny, Sir John Roxton, trusted high tower fighter. Do you smell what the Roxton was cooking? apparently Damon did, but @TheMindlessPod: Okay. Dave Ungar: Good stuff all the way around. But yeah, that guy that guy's a badass. Was he on the list? if he should have been on the list. @PCTunney: I'd have to go back and look at that list. @TheMindlessPod: And he survived he also survived that fight because they got separated by the balcony collapsing and fire between the two of them. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: Interesting enough, that's @TheMindlessPod: So. @PCTunney: why Ormond could never beat the rock. 'cause he could always smell what the rock is cooking and he's kind of got that issue with his old factory sets. Dave Ungar: Do you know what happens when you beat Damon Targaryen's ass in a fight, Tunny? Do you know what happens when you embarrass him? That's right. Sir John Roxton, you just made the list. DJ, go ahead, man. Talk about what do you think this means for Damon moving forward? @TheMindlessPod: I think it means not just something for Damon, but for him and

Renera, because remember, the other thing he's realizing is she was right. This is everything that she was afraid was going to happen happened. And at the end of the day, I was wrong. And that's gotta be humbling for him. Because remember the last thing she told him was, The crown is looking at us. You know, don't make a mess of this. And he went in and he made a mess of it. You know, and for seven seven episodes, she's been trying to avoid this and he's been pushing for it, thinking he can control it. We get to this point, and he didn't control anything. And everything that she feared was going to happen happened, and he's very aware of that in this moment. It's not just that he's horrified by what he sees, it's the realization that fuck, she was right. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean and a and you know, and like you're saying, Deech, that is a that's a bitter pill for somebody to swallow, man, to come in there and say Yeah, she was right. 'Cause I mean, Damon's got the ego. He he's definitely got an ego to him. And you know, yeah, I think you're right about that. We got somebody new in here. @PCTunney: Point we brought that up before, yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah, Dist distrito color. Hey, thank you for tuning in and and joining the chat. If Silverwing wouldn't have burned the bridge over them, I don't know if Damon would have survived. I don't think so. Yeah. I I think that's what we're @TheMindlessPod: Good call. Good call. He did, he had demon on the ropes. Dave Ungar: Yeah, maybe should have said all if not Silverwing. Yeah, you know, I you're right. You're right. I mean, but it but we get we get it. We It's it's all olf's fault, yeah. We we're see we're not gonna blame Silver Ring. He's the innocent dragon in this whole thing. @TheMindlessPod: It's Romera's fault. Dave Ungar: It's Renera's fault, yes. @PCTunney: As a wake up for war. Dave Ungar: It's Ranera's fault. but no, i if that balcony doesn't come down, I don't think Damon survives that battle because he was not looking good at all at that moment. @PCTunney: He was g he was getting Rockstoned. Dave Ungar: He was getting rocked in. Yeah. The the people's elbow and other body parts were being laid on his @TheMindlessPod: Sounds kinda cute. Dave Ungar: laid on his candy ass. man, we've covered s we've covered s @PCTunney: And Mason the Faye. Dave Ungar: we've covered so much ground on this episode, and there's still more to talk about, which is the amazing part of this episode. Let's go back to the beginning of the episode. I mean, and it's easy to kind of get lost in the battle, but you gotta talk about Aegon and Amon. because talk about a role reversal in A matter of moments here. Aegon, or excuse me, Eamon survives. and as he comes out of this stupor that he's in, where you know his mother's poisoned him and tried to kill him, and Alice saves him. He hears a dragon. And naturally, he's thinking the same thing that I'm kind of thinking at this point. Vagar has returned. And instead, it's an absolute impossibility that he witnesses. Aegon arrives. Comes with Sunfire, lands right in the middle of Heronhall. Eamon thought they were both dead. And Aegon, who was, you know, up until the return of Sunfire has never been the most assertive guy in the world, comes in and just slaps the shit out of his brother and gets all over his brother. And I mean, and his brother is just like stunned to the point of he's just conceding his death at this point. And it's like he And I think there's part of him that he just wants to die. You know, he kneels, he asks Aegon for forgiveness. Aegon doesn't, you know, Aegon is looking for a fight when he shows up. He is feeling himself. He's got sunfire, he wants this fight. He has not forgotten what Aemon tried to do to him. Aemon just is a beaten man at this point. And he's begging for forgiveness. Aegon doesn't forgive him. when Eamon refuses to fight, Aegon says, We are gonna find Vagar, you're gonna help me reclaim my throne. And Once Renaire is defeated, then Aegon says, Then I'll consider settling the score. Then you might have my forgiveness. Then you have my permission to die. There's a lot of bane called back in this episode. this is one of the more weird alliances that we're going to get in season four, because these two guys despise each other. I there, you know, maybe they can mend that relationship. Certainly at this point in time, they hate each other. But they might just need each other before this is all said and done. Deege, let me go to you first. you know, we'll kill each other later. First, we gotta kill everyone else. That's that is a good way. I was just reading that somewhere else. It's like, huh, yeah, you know, let's it's it's it is it's like, you know, another wrestling analogy. Let's get rid of everybody else and bring it down just to us two. And then we'll settle this amongst ourselves. But go ahead, Deege. Amund and Aegon. @TheMindlessPod: brings it down to the to the classic can they coexist tag team trope. Dave Ungar: Yes. @TheMindlessPod: yeah, it's an uneasy alliance for sure, but it's an alliance out of necessity right now. So look, right now there are bigger fish to fry. We need each other. We'll figure our stuff out after it's all said and done. Dave Ungar: Yeah. I I mean it makes sense, you know, at this point. It's like the enemy of my enemy is my friend, you know, and and that's that's where we are right now. Is is the this is a alliance of necessity. And these two and I think like like our new friend DistroColor is saying here, Aegon needs Eamon and Vagar's help now, so she's not loosing all this anger on him. Yeah, I @TheMindlessPod: Exactly. Dave Ungar: yeah. and Vagar is still that X factor. You're talking the biggest dragon in the realm who's just Out there, you know, no one knows where she is. And she's a game changer of a dragon, and no one knows what's going on. Where is she? Why did she leave Eamon? you know, there's a lot of things to consider

as far as Vagar is concerned, but yeah, that that is a dragon that can certainly turn the tide of everything, depending on if she returns to the fold. But go ahead, Tony. This is this relationship between Aegon and Amon is certainly a strange one as we have evolved this season. @PCTunney: Here's the second epic line. I'm alive, imbecile. @TheMindlessPod: Ha ha ha. Dave Ungar: Yes. @PCTunney: I popped so hard for that. and the plan, you know, basically after going through all that angst and not being able to get his come up ins and retribution and and wanting the fight that he wanted not being given to him and and and Eamon just kind of being like, Holy shit, you know, he had already felt bad. So it's interesting though to see will he continue to be contrite and will he hold that position regardless of how Agon acts moving forward. But the plan immediately in the immediate future was to find Vagar and then go find Daron that twat and show him what's what. So I my prediction next season will once once Eamon and Agon and their dragons meet the high tower army and Gwane and Daron, I think it will be pleasantly surprisingly for Agon how much Daron is happy to see Agon. I don't think he thinks that's gonna be the way it is, but I think From everything we've heard from Daron, he doesn't want to be king. He wants things to be peaceful and he'll be happy to just have more protection, you know, and things of that nature. 'Cause that's kind of what I'm looking for. But this is so interesting. He's also disgusted that Alice is is with his brother, you know, much like his mother. So, that's another interesting part in play there, but Dave Ungar: Another brother's mother. yeah. Here's a here's a good @PCTunney: You mother loving mother lover, huh? Dave Ungar: question. Here's a good question from from Distro Color. And I'm glad this is being asked because I was just gonna get into Alice. Did Alice Rivers @PCTunney: Who think so? Dave Ungar: make Vagar go away somehow? We get some @PCTunney: I don't think so. Dave Ungar: interesting stuff about Alice in it, because we don't her story and her whoever she is gets a little bit weirder. And now Tony, I'm starting to wonder about Melisandre and the Red Woman from the original ser and it's like, wait a second. @PCTunney: Do you remember those green men with the horns that that guard the face of the Isle of Faces with the children they're Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: sworn to protect the earth from the children? That's who she brought Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: her kid to. That's who she brought her kid to and they couldn't save and that's when she that's what that whole story was about. That's why we've seen that person in in this season. Not for any other reason. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, she's the widow of some king or something and Dave Ungar: Well, she's we learn for sure in this story that she tells Amond that Alice is she's not really like you kind of think she's some eccentric healer, a quasi-witch of the woods. this suggests the story she tells that she is far older than she appears, maybe centuries old when this story is done. And I mean, and I get what you're saying, Tony. It's not Melisandre, it's not the red-haired witch. @PCTunney: I mean if if Dave Ungar: But it's the same it's the same power that she had, right? That ability @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: to outlive go ahead. @PCTunney: If it is, it's two two problems, right? One would be, okay, that's not the way the book is, okay, fine, that's not the way a lot of things are. But two, where's the necklace? Dave Ungar: Right. Right. No, and I I don't think it's her. But somebody who has the same power set or pulling from the same sort of mysticism of of Westeros, that that seems to be on the table because you've got somebody else who looks very young, but is probably several hundred years old. and I do like the fact that the show kind of leaves that ambiguous and up to your own interpretation. so we know something supernatural is going on. We know that this is something, and I know it's not her, Tani. I'm not suggesting it's Melisandre, but I'm saying it's the same sort of concept, right? You you get what I'm saying. If she's she's pulling from the same old magic that Melisandre is pulling from now, yeah. Where's the where's the necklace? Does she have some other trinket on her that allows her to, you know, live for centuries? you know, and the whole aspect of who owns Heronhall. There's been this sort of slow fight going on a as far as Heronhall is concerned. So does anybody own it or is does Heronhall own whoever enters it, right? I mean, is Heronhall an entity unto itself? @PCTunney: Freys are about to show up there, aren't they? Dave Ungar: Well yeah, she's she's on her way 'cause doesn't Renera send her away in the last episode? So Deech, go ahead, buddy. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, I I have this one's the head scratcher for me because like I said, Tunny was onto something with that and I was leaning into that. But yeah, again, you bring up a good point. Where's the necklace? You know, like if this really is her or if she's a whether it's a tribe of people that have access to whatever this power is, it's hopefully we get some answers on this because this is the one sticking point this season that's got me. It's like, okay. They're implying that she's somebody important. Who the hell is she? Dave Ungar: That's an interesting question. I mean, that's gonna be the interesting question. And and you know, Eamon Kinslayer, Kingslayer, no longer yeah, it's looking up for Eamon, probably, you know, as this whole thing moves and sorts itself out next season. yeah, I I think Eamon will eventually come out of this, snap out of this sort of doldrum he's in and find himself and turn into the Lovely prick that, you know, we all know and love from the last season and from you know, when he shows up at Heron Hall and just cuts everybody down, it says, you know, you're all dying. @PCTunney: You're right,

with the old magic and the children of the forest is the main reference there that from the whole death that that we're talking about. And that's that's kind of the deal that they made with the men with the green men with the horns to protect, you know, the land and everything from the from the Isle of Faces. Just to specify. Dave Ungar: We'll see. We'll see. I mean, I you know, I mean, I don't know, man. @PCTunney: But it is old magic. It old ma it is old magic. Dave Ungar: It it it is old magic. It is it is the oldest magic that's going on out there. yeah, who who's I like this. And we talked about this too. You know, whose turn is it to have strange dreams and visions at Heronhall next season? I don't know, man. Maybe it's the Frey chick. She's gonna show up with her her Arby Tunny and and she's gonna have weird visions and know man but everybody who goes there it's like an acid trip that's very personalized to you as far as will dunk @PCTunney: Maybe Duncan maybe maybe we don't get that again until Duncan Egg show up there or something, you know. Dave Ungar: and egg show up at her now that would be an interesting trick I would be @TheMindlessPod: That would be great. Dave Ungar: that would be great that would be awesome if they show up at Hernhall and Alice is still there. @PCTunney: And a spe at a sp on a special Halloween episode of Knight of the Seven Kingdom. Dave Ungar: It's @TheMindlessPod: Ha ha ha. Dave Ungar: that's right. It's the crossover. We're bringing everybody back for one episode. That'd be that'd be fun. We need something like that. Like the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special or something. @PCTunney: What was the where where did where did Khaleesi get her dragons taken from her? That was kind of a spooky place too. If you guys are out there in the chat in Game of Thrones, Khaleesi got her small Dave Ungar: Yeah, I f I forget. @PCTunney: young dragons taken from her. Where were they? Dave Ungar: What's that is that like that one city, right? Like the ayahuasca retreat. @TheMindlessPod: God, it's been so long. Dave Ungar: It's like the ayahuasca retreat of Westeros. That's right. Let's do let's do some let's I don't @PCTunney: Was that in Dorne? Was that in Dorne? Dave Ungar: it it wasn't Dorne. It was that one city that she's in. I know what you're talking about. I just don't remember the name of it, but @PCTunney: The one yeah, the one merchant trader offered her all the gold and everything and she like @TheMindlessPod: Yes. Dave Ungar: I wonder if like if you like that if you do DMT do you go to Heron Hall and that's why everybody thinks it's aliens and shit. I don't know. Maybe. DMT. Both. Neither? @PCTunney: L S D? What? Cool? @TheMindlessPod: I think since we've got several months to go, I may rewatch everything in preparation for Night of the Seven Kingdoms season two. Dave Ungar: Yeah, the House of the Undying, I don't I don't know if it was that. It was is that it? @PCTunney: Yes. That is that was where it happened, but that's not the name of the city. What was the name of the city? Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: It was the House of the Undying, 'cause it was that one like grey old dying looking dude who turned into like fifty dudes. Dave Ungar: We're gonna have to go back to like episode one of Game Gone Wrong, where we recap the first seven @PCTunney: What well Dave Ungar: seasons of Game of Thrones and say, What was that? @PCTunney: You know what's funny is I got a couple of friends who like never watched any of the Game of Thrones and are wanting to at some point. I'm like, Well wait until all three of these series are over and then start with House of the Dragon. @TheMindlessPod: Then watch it chronologically. @PCTunney: Go Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: watching Chronolog Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: 'cause I know I am. Once these three series are over, I'm gonna start and watch everything beginning to end. And by that time they'll probably put something Dave Ungar: Well, I mean, right. @PCTunney: before and after it, right? Dave Ungar: Right. Sure. Hopefully. Hopefully they were going west of Westeros one of these days. Yeah. @PCTunney: Want that. Yeah, I want that. I want Dave Ungar: One of these days. let's talk about Renera and the Faith. Because we drew the comparison a couple episodes ago about you know, this guy, the High Septon at the Faith and kind of the similarities between the High Sparrow in the original Game of Thrones series, you know, the one who imprisoned Cersei and And did all that terrible shit to her and then eventually got his ass blown apart with green fire and that sort of thing. So Renera shows that unlike Cersei, well, no, I take that back. I take that back, huh? @PCTunney: They lot they have Game of Thrones universe, a lot of Trav Asty. Dave Ungar: Yeah, there is a lot of Trav Asty. That's that's very true, Tony. that's very true. But you know, in this moment, Renera, who af we talked about the outset how she kind of crumbles when she realizes that Aegon she unravels and realizes Aegon and Sunfire are alive. So she thinks, you know, god damn it, I'm gonna make this prophecy happen if it's the last thing I fucking do. So she goes and says The High Septon is going to anoint me. The faith is going to recognize me, or else you're going to kill his ass, Alan. And of course, this goes predictably bad when Renera says, anoint me. Make me make the prophecy full. And the High Septon is still like, Nope. and she says, That's fine. Alan, take him out. And this High Septon is trying to reason with Alan at this point, you know, saying, If you do this, you'll be damned to hell. This is a house of God, blah, blah, all this kind of shit, right? Alan hesitates for a moment, but then Alan's progr character progression reaches a critical point in this season as well. Because by killing the High Septon, that is a major transition for this kind of meek character who's well, not meek, but soft spoken, up to a point. But that really changes

in this moment. When he kills the High Septon, All bets are off for Alan and you know and you wonder about the ramifications for this one, right? I mean, you know the High Septon telling Ranera when he wouldn't anoint her earlier, you do not want to make an enemy of the faith. You know, and the thing is, Arby's come and go and can be defeated by dragon fire, but defeating religion, if history has told us one thing, that's a lot harder to do. And Ranera just made it an enemy. of the faith in this moment. yeah, I mean, i i and it is the ultimate sign of Renera's insecurity and her own rule in in this prophecy. It's like, I'm trying to make this prophecy happens, which of course is not how prophecies work, right, DJ? @TheMindlessPod: Right. You also gotta remember there was an interaction between Alan and his brother earlier on where his brother started to question Renera's motives and what's going on around here. And Dave Ungar: And his brother's motives. @TheMindlessPod: his brother's motives. Yeah, they have a very heated kind of discussion here. And so now there's a not a full separation here, but there's a conflict of ideologies between the two of them. And then you've also got Corlus out there who once he was handed over to Damon, Damon kind of treated him like a Like he basically accused him of treason. So, you know, you've got Corlos, who's already at odds with Ranera. You've got the brother who's at odds with Ranera. And then you've got Alan who is very much, and once he basically commits murder for Ranera, he has chosen his side. That's gonna have huge ramifications going into season four, because now there's a family divided here. Dave Ungar: Yep. Yep. Distro Color came up with the answer, Tony. Karth in Essos. That's that's right. @TheMindlessPod: Course. Okay. Thank you for that. Dave Ungar: Thank you. Yeah. We you know, I I I would pay you, but these guys are interns anyway, so you know. Sorry. Yeah. Distrito color. @PCTunney: Like Distrito. Distrito color. Distrito color. @TheMindlessPod: Dave pays me an alcohol, which I buy. Dave Ungar: Yeah. It's @PCTunney: Appreciate it. Dave Ungar: it's a r it's an ingenious compensation system. @PCTunney: it's funny, you you talk about Alan like doing the things he does and and kind of the character arc and DJ kind of hit half of the point I wanted to make, like, yes, th his brother challenging him like that made him, you know, say, I'm I'm doing it for duty and he fully believed that, not to make himself higher up, right? Also, I think the other thing that kind of makes him a little more bold is his recent like Trist with Bela, right? And that's the reason why Adam probably gives him shit too, because he realizes that he doesn't have a chance with Bela anymore because of Alan. it's it's insane how much Renera talks about, you know, having favor of the gods and its destiny, so why do the gods hate me? And then what should does she do? It is go ahead and take away the only human symbol of the gods

and the people that run, you know, the the the place of worship. So it's it's tough. It's tough to come back to that question to continue to root for Ranera. It really Dave Ungar: Well, @PCTunney: is. Dave Ungar: and to echo your point, Lee's Lee put this in there, you know, the Renera's mindset, I want the small folk on my side so I'll kill the High Septon, even though the High Septon is the equivalent of the Pope, right? @PCTunney: No and we didn't even mention the fact that she brings Joffrey with her, her son, her youngest son, who's her heir. Right. Like, dude, Dave Ungar: Yes, to witness all this. To witness all this. @PCTunney: well, it's just me and you now. Let me let me go ahead and put these red, you know, slits through my eyes as makeup as well, so I look even more kind of intimidating and holy ish, kind of hellish maybe. But the kid @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: is like the cuts to the kid though are are amazingly excellent. the emotion are kind of What you would think the emotion was is very kind of quiet and like taking everything in towards the end, I kind of almost look at one of the last shots of the kid like understanding what's going on at such a young age and that's very, very weird. Dave Ungar: Let's get to the last thing that I think we probably because we've covered everything else. We've talked about Allison and you know the things that are gonna go on with her in season four, and everybody around her is now gone. but the speech right after the execution that Renera delivers. I think this is a good place to end this whole thing. and you know, you get to see in this moment the full slide into kind of tyranny. You know, the Targaryen insanity gene is in full effect, and it's also The ter Tergarian tyrannical gene, because you know, she starts off by saying that Viserys named her the heir. She publicly invokes a song of ice and fire prophecy. Then she takes this leap of logic that Viserys never had done, and declares that she is the prince that was promised. This is massive, right? Because she has spent this whole series. Right, kind of trying to establish the fact that a woman can sit on the throne. And we talked about this when we talked when we recapped epis seasons one and two at the beginning of this season of of House of the Dragon and Game Gone Wrong. And the big thing was a woman can be an heir just as legitimately as a man can. And here at the end of this whole thing, You know, she's looked at the prophecy as a responsibility, something that was, you know, be beyond her just wanting to personally justify the fact that Viserys was ch he was right to name me his heir. Now she's trying to say this is proof of my destiny. And that's not the same thing. And I think, you know, by saying I'm the prince that was promised, doesn't she kind of marginalize? And I don't want to get into any sort of gender discussion, that sort of thing, but within the context of this show. Isn't she marginalizing her own gender in this moment by saying, I'm the prince that was promised? Tunny, what do you think? I mean, it d does she or does she not do that here? @PCTunney: I I I think she's trying to imply that in context it's it's like a overall kind of thing where in a lot of languages sometimes, you know, there are male and female parts of speech, but when you be refer to the overall, some of end up going to the male part of speech. like the prince that was promised is Jon Snow, it's not even close because we're talking about the battle against the Night King, basically here, right? So like obviously, you know, you could argue it's denarius as well, but but so but so here's the Dave Ungar: But you gotta suspend your disbelief for two hundred years. @PCTunney: thing too. When Viserys told this to Renera, did he not give her the knife also and tell her not to tell anybody else but her heir? Like she completely violates the being gifted of this story and g spreads it to the people. Dave Ungar: To your point, our new friend here. I wasn't expecting Ranera to deliver the prophecy publicly. Exactly. I mean, this @TheMindlessPod: Neither was I. Dave Ungar: was this was supposed to be something between her and her father, you know, something between that Ranera kept to herself. And then this whole thing, this is this is what we're talking about. She is trying so hard to force this prophecy into existence because she doesn't believe her in her own heart that she's the prophesized one. So she's trying to reverse engineer this prophecy around her rather than the prophecy standing on its own merits and what it actually means. And by delivering this publicly, she's trying to breathe that into an existence, trying to invoke that into an ex into existence. And that's just as we've said several times on this episode, that is not how prophecies work, right, Deech? @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, she's try she's obviously trying to manifest it here. She realizes Dave Ungar: Yes. @TheMindlessPod: where she's at. She realizes she has no legitimate claim to the throne at this point, but in her head, in that crazy Targaryen mind, if I manifest it, it'll be true. @PCTunney: She does have legitimate claim to the throne, though. Dave Ungar: She does, but in her mind, because that Targaryen insanity gene is now kicking in, she's questioning everything. @PCTunney: No, but like overall, like the truth of the story being told on HBO for House of the Dragon, Viserys named her and Alison mistakenly at a took wrongly what was said in a dream while he was dying, right? So Brunera is the rightful ruler in this story. Am I not right? Technically. @TheMindlessPod: i in in his words, but in the eyes of the church and the eyes of the tradition, it's Aegon. So yeah. And unfortunately, @PCTunney: It's Aegon. It's Aegon. Right. Right. No, I get that. I get that. But I'm saying like tech Dave Ungar: Two @TheMindlessPod: because Viserys is gone and nobody but Alicent has his final words as the gospel, they

gotta go with the church and the and the tradition. @PCTunney: No, right, I get that. But just like specifically though, even with Allison coming out now and and talking them having them conversations too, right? Like on a technicality. So she's not wrong in doing so. She's just not capable of figuring out how to get it done. Dave Ungar: Well, like to channel some more movies from the 80s, right? Rocky III, where he's like on the beach with Adrian. When a fighter doesn't believe in himself, it's over. That's it. She doesn't believe in herself anymore. And that's a big problem, is she doesn't believe this whole whole prophecy. So like you're saying, she's trying to manifest herself. And here's a here's another good point. In the Game of Thrones, Miss Sandy explained that the prophecy is in high valerian and if the word is gender neutral, it can be prince or princess that is promised. So that that's true. I don't remember. Did did Viserys know High Valerian? I don't remember. He probably did, but I @PCTunney: I would imagine. Why wouldn't he? Dave Ungar: would imagine. Yeah, I would think so. He had to have. But @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: but yeah, I think you know, a lot of this is just it is it is that. @PCTunney: If Damon knows it, I wouldn't and and and Ranera know it. Dave Ungar: Well, that's true. The brothers probably would have sp talked about it with the amongst themselves, but yeah. @PCTunney: These Targaryens can taught to them when they're young, right? Dave Ungar: Yeah, it's it's like, you know, here's some strained carrots and learn high valerian. You know, that that that makes sense to me. So @PCTunney: It's easier than Russian, Dave. It's easier than Russian. Dave Ungar: Or Hungarian, that's for sure. But yeah, I I think a lot I think a @PCTunney: Or Mandarin. Dave Ungar: lot of it comes down to the whole aspect of, you know, we talked about at the very beginning of this episode. Aegon's return totally unravels. Totally unravels Renera. And the rest of the episode is her unraveling at an accelerated pace. And it comes to a head here when she declares this prophecy in public when she wasn't supposed to. And kills the Pope, basically. I think Lee's right. You basically killed the po. I think @PCTunney: Yeah, that was that was one of the quotes on the post HBO. You know, it's like Dave Ungar: Yes. @PCTunney: killing the Pope. Dave Ungar: I think that's @PCTunney: Great point to Dave Ungar: it is a great point. And I think we've covered everything we can cover on this ep have we left out anything? I I don't know if we left out @TheMindlessPod: Now this is pretty comprehensive. Dave Ungar: Yeah, before we cut out of here, season four. What are you one big thing you're expecting from season four? Since Tunny's like just rolling his eyes and has no clue what's going on. No, I'm just kidding. @PCTunney: Well like one one big thing you're expecting that we're not all expecting. Like if I were to like one thing I'm expecting Dave Ungar: Well we know we @PCTunney: is all the dragons die. Dave Ungar: That's the obvious and easy one, yes. I I I agree @PCTunney: Right. Dave Ungar: with you. I mean, and that's the saddest part of it, but something something else you're looking for in season four that maybe isn't so overt. @PCTunney: I I'm looking Dave Ungar: Either of you guys. @PCTunney: I I'll start and give you guys a little time to think about it. I I already brought it up. I I can't wait for Agon and Eamon to get with Daron because they they're they they already announced their intentions and like he already called him a twat if I remember his his you Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: know thinking the same. And I think I I really want that trio to become formidable, right? They can teach him how to Grow and better handle his dragon, right? Like it it would be really rootable for those three brothers to end up behind Egon and Egon actually growing a little bit with what we talked about, right? Like the ventures he had with Laris and and and Tyw Ty Ty Thailand or Tywin? Tyl Tywin's Dave Ungar: Thailand. Yeah, where's Thailand in all this? @PCTunney: dead. Thailand survived. Dave Ungar: No, no, no, I that Tyler 'cause Tylan was there when Sunfire returned. We don't see him in this episode. @PCTunney: right. I w I'm sure we'll find out next season, you know. Then we we Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: talk about too how the Lannisters are like one of the wealthiest families around, you know. I I think they probably are now, but obviously they had to continue somehow with the winner, I would imagine. Spoiler maybe. Dave Ungar: Winners write the history. @PCTunney: I don't know. I'm interested. I can't wait. I haven't read the books. I haven't researched how this all ends up happening, but I can't imagine it's not gonna be out with a lot without a lot of heartbreak, but these actors are so great. They really are. The last thing I want to say is shout it out before DJ jumps in here is that the the casting and the directing and just it's maybe one of the greatest seasons of streaming slash TV in this kind of genre I've ever I've ever seen. So shout out to that. And you know, out of twelve seasons of the Game of Thrones universe to be in my opinion the best one is hit a home run in the bottom of the ninth, you know, it's not easy kind of stepping up Dave Ungar: Isn't this the @PCTunney: there. Dave Ungar: th Yeah, you're right. I you're right. Twelve. I was like, wasn't I forgot we haven't got to season two of Night of the Seven Nine Kingdoms yet. Deege, your thought. What what are your what's one thing that's kind of maybe not so out there? @TheMindlessPod: Man, I can't think of anything out of the pocket that I think might happen. I'm very, very, very interested to see what happens with Renee or an Alison once Alison gets back. I'm very interested in where that relationship goes and more importantly, where it ends. Like in the final moments, is there some kind of reconciliation or you know

what happened? I think right now that's the part that I'm most invested in. And probably second is going to be the relationship between Ranera and Damon, because that's obviously going to be strained after what happened at Tumbletown. Dave Ungar: gosh. god, yeah. I think for me and @PCTunney: Dave wants an ul Dave Ungar: Tuddy. @PCTunney: spin off. Sorry. Dave Ungar: What? @PCTunney: You want an allf spin off? Dave Ungar: No. Ulf needs to die. Of needs to die pretty quick in season four. @TheMindlessPod: Absolutely not. That asshole. Dave Ungar: Yeah, he he needs to die pretty quick in season four. but I think like I I'm looking forward to Renera's relationship with somebody else, and I think Alison comes back with some sort of vengeance. I I think hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and ain't nobody more scorned than Alison in season three. And once she the full depth of that comes to bear its ugly head. Alison might be a problem, especially if she manif she's able to manipulate her sons into doing @PCTunney: you saying she are you saying she makes it to Tumbleton with her sons before she goes back to King's Lacon? They find her? Yeah. Dave Ungar: I think they find her. They find her. The Suns will find her. Yeah. But one thing I do, you know, Lee put it, put it up there. Season four is going to be quick. A lot of history to get thrown in just one last season. That is one thing I'm concerned about is they have a how many? Eight. @PCTunney: I heard it's in eight episodes too. Yeah, I think so. Dave Ungar: I they do have a lot of ground to cover in that last season. @TheMindlessPod: Let me let me let me ask you this. Are they going to run into the same problem that they ran into what some people perceive was the problem with season eight of the original Game of Thrones? Is it going to feel rushed? There's a lot to Dave Ungar: Mm-hmm. @TheMindlessPod: cram in here in eight episodes. Are we omitting some things? Are we condensing multiple storylines into maybe one thing? That that'll be interesting Dave Ungar: Yeah, I I @TheMindlessPod: to see how they how they work through this. Dave Ungar: I would love to see them give themselves a little bit of of latitude here, a little bit of le @TheMindlessPod: Some breathing room. Dave Ungar: some breathing room and do maybe like a Ted Lasso season three where it jumped in like twelve episodes or something and just because they gave themselves they made the episodes longer. What's that? @PCTunney: Eight episodes. Dave Ungar: For season four? @TheMindlessPod: Yeah. They could also do what they did with Stranger Things. Those final couple of seasons, the last few episodes were basically movies. Dave Ungar: Yeah. There you go. There you go. If you have eight episodes and they're each two hours long, then who cares? Then you know, it's like fine, @PCTunney: God, no. Dave Ungar: you know, that I'm okay with that. @TheMindlessPod: God, these Game of Thrones wrap up episodes will be three hours long. It'll be like the Dave Ungar: Good God. @TheMindlessPod: be like the Conrad show. Dave Ungar: I know. @PCTunney: Be like bandwagon nerds back in the day. Dave Ungar: And yeah, the la last thing is, you know, we know dragon fights are coming. And yeah, she we feel we feel this @PCTunney: Maybe this week. By the way, tune into Van Wagner Nerds tomorrow. It'll be three hours long with D twenty three. Sorry. Dave Ungar: God. no, none of us want to see the dragons get hurt, but unfortunately, @PCTunney: Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: Unfortunately we know how that ends. Dave Ungar: the bad it's the bad thing about prequels is you know how they end. we know Anakin turned into Darth Vader, you know, that sort of thing. So we know the dragons are all gonna die. And probably in the word now, how they all die? Do they all die or do they just disappear into some alternate dimension? There maybe the force whales come and send them off somewhere, Tunny. Purgle. @PCTunney: It's been DJ, it's been way too long since Dave did a unidentified history episode, can you tell? Dave Ungar: I said force whales. I said @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, he he's starting to get the he's starting to get the Dave Ungar: force. @PCTunney: He's like, how can I connect this to unidentified history? @TheMindlessPod: Let me let me just thread that needle. Dave Ungar: I connected it to Star Wars. There's no U there's no UFOs there. All @PCTunney: Yeah, Elena, Dave Ungar: right. @PCTunney: put on the embroidery, the the cross stitching, whatever it's called. Dave Ungar: Yeah, there you go. All right. I've kept you guys here long enough. Look, all kidding aside, go ahead. @TheMindlessPod: We got one question to ask. Dave Ungar: What's that? @PCTunney: yeah. @TheMindlessPod: Tunny, seven and three quarters episodes later, are you still team black? Dave Ungar: That is the question. @PCTunney: I I know I can't even answer the question. And it's not out of pride. it's out of I I don't I I shouldn't want to root for Agon, but don't don't you want you want to root for Egon, right? Just because of the potential. I think you want to root for the potential. It's funny because I think in the end of that thing, the post show or or one of the I think Condal got interviewed and asked who would you put on the are on the throne? And he said Allison. Dave Ungar: Hey, thank you for tuning in tonight. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. We will, yeah, we'll let you know we're coming back. Please subscribe, @PCTunney: District Home, thank you. Yeah, we'll let you know when we're coming back. We'll let you know when we're coming back next year for house seven eighty. @TheMindlessPod: Thank you for coming in and playing with us tonight. Dave Ungar: subscribe to the channel so we can keep you guys abreast of what what's happening with the show. but good Tunny, so are you team you're just team in the middle of the road, huh? What is green and black? What color does that make? @PCTunney: I am now honestly, you know what I'm gonna

be? I'm gonna be Team Daron. @TheMindlessPod: Right. @PCTunney: I'm Team Daron. Dave Ungar: I'm team dunk. That's where I am right now. Deech? @PCTunney: I'm team I'm team Daron. I want him to get back with his brothers. That's who I'm with. Dave Ungar: DJ, how about you, man? Are where are you at? I mean, we were all solidly team black at the for the first two episodes, and then stuff happened. @TheMindlessPod: Yeah, man, this is a tough call. Renera made some bad decisions this episode. Made some Dave Ungar: Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: bad calls and it's a feeling very I'm I'm I'm having a hard time feeling sympathetic for her. Right now I'm still leaning team black. Just because some of what's happened to her is not her fault. It's what she's been fed, what she's been told, what she believes is how she is what is informing and forcing her motives right now. So right now I'm still kind of leaning team black. I'm not all the way in. I got one foot in and one foot out. Dave Ungar: Yeah, I think I'm kinda with you guys. I'm kinda with you, Deege. I mean, I I've been solidly on the black bandwagon, but yeah, when when people keep doing stupid shit like that, you start you start second guessing things. Now, I mean if if Team Green @TheMindlessPod: It's supposed to Dave Ungar: if Team Green was a little bit better organized, that might motivate me to switch to that side. But I mean there's s there's it's a loose alliance of people who despise each other at this point in time. So it's kinda hard to @TheMindlessPod: Well, and and and Urman's on that team and fuck that guy. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: I hate that dude. Dave Ungar: Yeah. I'm still @PCTunney: Anymore. Dave Ungar: t still team black and I like Dara Daron and and Gwyn. Yeah. I there's a lot to like about both sides and I we'll see how this turns out next season. But gentlemen, I want to profusely thank you for being a part of Game Gone Wrong and what ended up ironically enough being our third season of Game Gone Wrong. we will go on our hiatus now. I mean, that that's it for now. There's nothing to cover until next year when a Knight of the Seven or Nine, Seven Nine Kingdoms returns next year. hopefully they'll be early in 2027. I I've got some ideas about some little side projects that we can throw in here and there, maybe to bring Game Gone Wrong back. Yeah, just something I something I'm thinking about. but you know, we we are gonna go on our hiatus now. We do have that doesn't mean that the Attitude of Aggression Wrestling podcast or the Attitude of Aggression Network will grind to a halt. Because, as I said, we get to go back to the Big Five project and cover wrestling and actually take up some of the historical aspects of unidentified history because God knows that's a a weekly development on the UFO front. But gentlemen, it has been my privilege and honor to work with you guys through. These nine weeks that we've covered this show, which and that's the eight episodes and the one yes, dunk an egg for the win. Absolutely, Lee. Thank you so much for tuning in. Really appreciate you being a part of this broadcast. Before @PCTunney: Thanks, Lee. Dave Ungar: we cut out, yeah, thank you so much, Lee. It has been a great show, a great way to wrap up this season. Let me go to you, DJ, first. I know you got a lot of stuff going on in the mindless side of the universe. Where can people check you out when they want to learn about beard tips, the mindless wrestling podcast, and how to look great shirtless when you're 50 plus years old? @TheMindlessPod: If you want to find all of that information out, you can follow me on the app formerly known as Twitter at the Mindless Pod. Myself, Rob and Jason are on the Mindless Wrestling Podcast each and every week on the ChairShot Radio Network. My own solo podcast, 30 Mindless Minutes. I took last week off. I'm back this week. Got a really special guest on there. our Twitter friend Jay. and I shouldn't say Twitter friend, because he and I have, you know, formed a friendship, genuine friendship, is my guest this week, and we are kind of Dipping into how he views wrestling as a wrestling fan. And it's a it's a really fun episode. And he's he's got a lot of great insight for for wrestling fans. Dave Ungar: Mr. Tunny, my bestie, where can people check you out, man? @PCTunney: Is that J pal? @TheMindlessPod: Yes. @PCTunney: Yeah, great follow on Dave Ungar: That's @PCTunney: on X by the @TheMindlessPod: He is. He really is. @PCTunney: yeah, yeah, I've interacted with him a few times. Dave Ungar: I think I I followed him back when I could still follow people, so @PCTunney: And you yeah, we I we all wish you still had your account, Dave. Honestly, don't worry. We do. We all do. you had a lot of followers. Dave Ungar: That's yeah. @PCTunney: It was always great when you retweet something from us. but you can follow me at Dave Ungar: I @PCTunney: BC Bunny. Cher Shot Radio Network. Tune in tomorrow for a special Saturday edition. You know, we're gonna have a Sunday night's main event coming up here in a couple few weeks. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: Why not have a Saturday live edition of bandwagon nerds tomorrow at one PM Eastern at CherShot Media? Tomorrow, Cheer Shot Radio Network, all your favorite streaming platforms. In the morning, you're going to get the Mindless Wrestling podcast in the afternoon. You're going to get that said episode of 30 Mindless Minutes. I love doing this show because I love Game of Thrones, the entire universe, and I love talking about it with you guys. I was so looking forward to today, and I knew as much as I was looking forward to it, I was going to be sad at the end because this is a project where we take giant breaks and it's just the nature of the project. But yeah, Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: I I as much as I've enjoyed the best in my opinion season of the Game of Thrones universe, I've more enjoyed spending time with you guys and talking about Dave Ungar: Yeah, I

and I appreciate that. And I mean we've been we've had a good year. I mean, we've got two excellent series in 2026. And can't complain. @PCTunney: Yeah, it's crazy, right? Dave Ungar: You can't complain about that. @TheMindlessPod: No, we we really got fed this year. Dave Ungar: we did. We did. And yeah, like Tunny said, tune into bandwagon nerds on ChairShot media, chairshot media YouTube channel tomorrow. lots of D twenty three. We get to recap the season finale speaking of season finales, X-Men ninety seven. We're gonna recap that. I don't No, we'll have to wait until we get the rundown to see if we're resuming our project. But good God, there's going to be enough stuff coming out of D23 that we may not need to. But as far as me, if you want to keep up with the show, then as I always say, please go right here. Attitudeofaggression.com. That is the website. All the wrestling podcast episodes, unidentified history. And yes, game gone wrong. All the episodes are there. You can go back and check out. How this whole crazy thing started, you know. Also, of course, go to the YouTube channel, Attitude of Aggression on YouTube channel. If you go there, subscribe, hit the subscribe button, like, turn on notifications, leave some comments. a big shout out and thank you to all the people who tuned in on the live stream tonight. We had some regulars and we had some new people who offered great commentary tonight. That was awesome stuff. And they even did a little interning for us, Tony. So that found some answers for us. @PCTunney: Yes. Well that that's the great thing, you know, about it. If you know it's it's so sad that we're leaving now and we're getting so much engagement. We w we have been building engagement as been going, but that's the nice thing, you know, with people are listening to you, you can kind of be like, Hey, check that for us real quick because Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: what what better thing than to be listening to and interacting with something to drop a line and then get interacted with, right? So I think you did a great job of Yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Hey. @TheMindlessPod: That's the beauty of these live shows is the interaction. That's what makes these things possible and keeps the machine @PCTunney: It's right. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. @TheMindlessPod: going. Dave Ungar: That's why I like doing it live because you get that instant feedback, you know, and that sort of thing. And and we don't, you know, other than that one episode right before the X account got hacked or trolled, which may be a coincidence or not. you know, these are always a lot of fun to do. But that, my friends, is gonna do it. Maybe absence makes the heart grow fonder. When we come back, ne we'll I like I said, I've got an idea, a couple of episodes we can do, not a lot, but you know, a few little side things we might be able to do. along the way. But that's it, fellas. That is gonna do it for Game Gone Wrong. Nothing really went wrong. This well, for Renera, lots of shit went wrong. For us, we were fed very well, as DJ says. And we will be coming back when Knight of the Seven Nine Kingdoms returns sometime in 2027. And you know, honestly, I think if there's any breaking news, any sort of breaking news, we could probably jump on here and do a quick like 30 minute recap of something. Just to throw it out there, if we get anything important to talk about, what are you laughing about? @PCTunney: We we couldn't we couldn't do thirty minutes fucking anything if we tried. It'd be like hour and fucking s fi sixty four minutes, you know, and that's two hours and four minutes. Dave Ungar: Hey man, it's chemistry, buddy. We just like each other's company and talking to each other, but that's it. @PCTunney: What did he say photosynthesis? Dave Ungar: Easy for you to pronounce. All right, look, that's it, guys. For everybody tuning in, thank you so much. We truly hope you enjoyed Game Gone Wrong for season three. Hope you enjoyed House of the Dragon season three. We will keep if you're subscribed to the YouTube channel, we will certainly send out any notifications. As any sort of side you know projects or any breaking news projects we do for Game Gone Wrong. And of course, tune in for if you're a pro wrestling fan for the Attitude of Aggression Wrestling Podcast, DWI podcast, mindless wrestling podcast. And if you're interested in ufology, yes, tune into unidentified history. That's a weekly wild affair. but that's gonna do it, guys. Thank you so much to everybody. We'll see you in 2027, if not before then. It has been our pleasure. Everybody take care and keep an eye on your dragons.