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This podcast is a work of historical interpretation.
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While we strive for accuracy, some aspects of history are open to interpretation
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and debate. Thank you for listening.
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Welcome back to Time Tellers, where the walls don't just have ears, they have history.
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Today, we're walking through the life of America's most argued over renovation
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project, the White House.
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From the first bricks laid by James Hoban in the 1790s through the 1814 burning
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in the significant rebuild, to Theodore Roosevelt's 1902 modernization and the Truman gut job,
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then Jackie Kennedy's museum-quality restoration, 21st-century security upgrades,
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and now the most controversial addition in generations, President Trump's new
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ballroom in the demolition of the East Wing.
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If a house could talk, this one would have its own renovation podcast, and it would be spicy.
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Spicy and expensive. Like you.
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Along the way, we'll break down... Oh, wait. Minus the expensive part.
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Along the way, we'll break down who said yes or no, how the bills were paid,
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which projects were transparent,
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which were hush-hush, and how each change reflected what the presidency needed
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and wanted at the time. You know, what they needed.
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We should probably introduce ourselves because it's not actually written in.
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I'm Renee, and this is Dan.
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In case y'all didn't know. Let's start with a surprising fact.
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The White House was designed to adapt and change.
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George Washington selected the site and supervised the competition,
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but never actually recited there.
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The Irish-born architect James Hoban won the competition to design it in 1792.
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John Adams moved in during 1800 to a drafty, unfinished house that would be
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continually altered as presidents confronted reality.
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This resilience, this ability to adapt, is a testament to the enduring spirit of the White House.
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Day one issues. Honey, where do we put the cabinet?
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Where do we put the cows?
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Sorry, it's funny. That's not big enough for you.
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And this podcast is over now. This was a working home and office before the
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era of sprawling staff. And the tension, home versus headquarters,
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drives the renovation story.
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The foundational phases are Hoban's original build, which took place from 1792 to 1800.
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Then the 1814 fire and rebuild, which was 1815 to 1817, and then 19th century
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additions like the North and South porticos, which give the house its iconic profile.
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These porticos weren't in Hoban's original plan.
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Benjamin Henry Latrobe drew schemes in the 1810s,
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and Hoven ultimately built the South Portico in 1824 under James Monroe in the
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North Portico around 1829 to 1830 under President Andrew Jackson.
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So the famous fronts we picture, those came in waves. Exactly.
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The first big payment question pops up early.
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After the 1814 burning by British forces during the War of 1812,
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Congress and the executive branch hired Hoban to rebuild.
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Why did they just make the British pay for it?
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Good question. He smartly reused some exterior stonework and changed interior
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partitions to speed construction.
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Swapping in timber where heavy brick had originally been used,
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to get Monroe back inside by 1817.
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This was a significant challenge, but Hoban's innovative approach saved time
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and resources, albeit with some structural issues that would need to be addressed later.
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Because when you cut corners, that can happen.
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Through the mid to late 1800s, presidents kept layering changes.
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Tastes shifted from neoclassic restraint to Victorian exuberance.
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Think heavy drapes, glass, color, and plant mania.
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James Buchanan added a greenhouse in 1857.
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The complex grew through the Civil War era and after.
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These conservatories supplied cut flowers and even fruit to the residents.
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A greenhouse city on the West Terrace, it's hard to imagine next to the modern
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West Wing. Which is the point.
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By 1901, the residence was overloaded, physically and symbolically.
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It was a home, a factory estate entertainment, and an office building jammed with staff.
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The glass houses looked dated and cramped, and the grounds were overgrown.
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Critics and connoisseurs were already
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arguing about historical character versus practical function.
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That debate only intensified in the 20th century.
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Which, of course, is the 1900s.
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Was that supposed to be funny? I'm funny. Sometimes.
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President Theodore Roosevelt brought the first modern mega-renovation.
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In 1902, he hired Charles McKim of McKinnon, Kim Mead, and White to rationalize
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the building, separate the family's living quarters from the expanding executive operation,
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refit the state floor for larger, more formal entertaining, and remove the own
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old conservatories on the west side.
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Out go the greenhouse. In comes a temporary office structure that becomes the West Wing.
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Congress appropriates over half a million dollars for the project.
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Temporary in Washington often means for the next century.
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Also, McKim stripped away the Victorian aesthetics that earlier presidents loved,
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sweeping back towards a colonial-slash-classical look that Roosevelt thought more fitting.
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Preservationists and garden lovers howled about the loss of the greenhouses,
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but the change reflected a tectonic shift.
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The presidency was becoming a 20th-century institution with staff,
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communications, and a public stage to manage.
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Was the thought of tectonics even existing at this point in time?
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I do believe it was. I will check But I think it was Because that was after
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They've determined the earth wasn't The center of the universe.
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I know that was before the Pangea and everything Gondwano land Really? This is 1902?
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Well? I'm, my internet's slow. Well, that's because it looks like it's loading
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pictures. Yeah. I don't know why.
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As far back as the 16th and 17th centuries, thinkers noticed the shape of the
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continents seemed to fit together.
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Okay. In the mid-1800s, fossil evidence and rock type similarities across continents
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reinforced the possibility of large-scale continental movement.
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Okay, so like late 1800s. Yeah. So, okay, close to.
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Yeah. Yeah, and specifically the continental drift theory that came out in 1912.
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Oh, I was right.
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But, like, they were already talking about it.
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That's just when the more concrete— That's because that's when they were able
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to talk about it. They're like, remember what happened to, like,
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you know, Galilee. Right.
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I mean, in 1858, Antonio Snyder Pellegrini proposed that similar fossil plants
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found in coal deposits in Europe and North America might be explained if the
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two continents were once connected. Yeah, well.
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So, I mean. 1912. I win. Oh, okay.
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It was definitely in the scientific minds of the time. But is that back when
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they believed in science?
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Well, this was before the Scopes trial. Oh. I'm wearing my Inherit the Wind shirt.
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Because today was pajama day at school, so that's why I'm wearing sweatpants
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and a t-shirt. Oh, I thought you wore the skulls to bend.
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It's comfy. Okay, so I think it's your line.
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And the famous Oval Office? The famous Oval Office? That's the next chapter. But why is it so famous?
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Because it's an oval? Yeah.
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Wow. In 1909, William Howard Taft expanded the West Wing and created the first
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Oval Office as the president's working room.
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The oval shape, inspired by the resident's blue room and formal leaveies going
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back to Washington, places the president at the hub, closer to staff and operations.
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It's a design that's not just iconic but also practical, ensuring the president's
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efficiency in managing the nation's affairs.
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Herbert Hoover's first year brings a Christmas Eve 1929 fire that damages the
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West Wing. He repairs and makes improvements, including early air conditioning.
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Then Franklin Roosevelt reshaped the West Wing again in 1933 and 34,
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pushing eastward and relocating the Oval Office for privacy and accessibility,
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which seems like an oxymoron.
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But I think he meant so only certain people could access it.
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As the government grows, so does the complexity. The White House,
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like the nation it represents, is expanding in both size and influence.
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And the residence gets taller, too. Right. Sorry, slightly annoyed.
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About what? Stuff. Oh, okay.
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Calvin College, 1927 renovation adds a whole third floor, including the solarium over the south portico.
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This not only provided more living space, but also improved the roof structure,
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enhancing the safety and comfort of the first family.
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It's more living space and better roof structure. Another practical modernization
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that changes how the First Family inhabited the house. Then World War II hits.
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In 1942, the White House added the East Wing.
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On the surface, it provides public entry in office space, particularly for the First Lady's staff.
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Below ground, it conceals and protects the President's Emergency Operations Center, the PEOC.
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It has made famous and Olympus has fallen. Yes, I love them.
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It's free right now, too. Really? I might have to watch it again.
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It was on Netflix for a while, but it hasn't been.
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Well, it's free on Vizio, at least. Hmm.
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The PEOC was built for wartime, continuity, and later used during other crises.
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The East Wing's wartime origins matter today because they tie the building's
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form to national security needs, reflecting the changing role of the presidency
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and the White House during times of crisis like World War II.
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Except the White House was never a target.
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Was. It's just... It was a target nobody could get to. In a theory,
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yeah. Of course, we also thought they couldn't get to Pearl Harbor. So, they did.
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Or Alaska. Who thought they couldn't get to either of those?
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I meant, like, the general public.
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Not necessarily the people in government or, like, military.
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I meant general public. I meant general public. Yeah.
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Well, they got to Alaska. I said mainland.
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No, I know. But, like, if they could get to the Aeotian Islands off of Alaska.
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I think I said that correctly.
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And after they hit Pearl Harbor, we definitely were worried about them getting to mainland.
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But I was speaking primarily about the normal everyday person in America.
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Like, by the late 1940s, the residence was in trouble.
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Years of ad hoc alterations left it structurally unsound.
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In 1948, a leg of Margaret Truman's piano literally breaks through the floor.
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One of the many warning signs. Engineers conclude the interior is failing.
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Or she just
sucked and the piano gave up. I don't think so.
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Or she was using the piano for non-piano purposes. No, that's something I'm
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going to think about now. Thanks. Yeah, she was dancing on it.
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Either way, it should not have fallen through the roof. Or she was sitting on
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it and Harry was playing it. It's all Truman's fault.
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Yeah. You could say the house was still standing only out of habit, as one engineer put it.
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Exactly. President Harry Truman oversees a radical solution.
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Evacuate, gut the residence down to its stone walls, and rebuild the interior
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as a modern steel and concrete structure.
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From 1948 to 1952, the executive residence became a shell with a brand new skeleton.
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660 tons of steel framing, new floors, new mechanicals cost about $5.7 million in public funds.
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It is, in effect, the 20th century building in an 18th century suit.
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So the part we see, the limestone exterior, remains.
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Inside, it's fundamentally new. And not without controversy.
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In 1948, Truman also added the now-beloved Truman Balcony to the South Portico.
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Critics, including members of the Commission of Fine Arts, said it spoiled the classical lines.
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Truman argued it would shade the portico, eliminate ugly awnings, and balance the facade.
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He paid for the balcony from the White House household account rather than a
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separate appropriation, and after it was built, many critics conceded it looked good.
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It's a classic case of scandalous change becoming part of the canon.
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What canon? Canon of the White House. Are you threatening the White House with a canon? Ha!
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Oh. The Truman rebuild stabilized the structure, but left interiors feeling generic.
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First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy arrived in 1961 with a different mission,
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to treat the state floor like a museum and furnish it with authentic American imperial pieces.
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She recruits advisors like Henri-Francis Dupuy, brings in designers such as
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Stéphane Boudin, and raises private funds for acquisitions.
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Congress, recognizing the need for stewardship, passed Public Law 87-286 in 1961,
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declaring the White House state and ground floors to have a museum character
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and making historically significant furnishings inalienable property of the White House.
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Then, in 1964, President Lyndon Johnson issued Executive Order 11145,
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establishing the Curator and Committee for the Preservation of the White House,
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formalizing expert oversight of any changes to the state rooms.
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Again, this is an executive order, but executive orders cover the executive
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office and branch, or government, so that makes sense.
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When they fit your current narrative.
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Translation, you can still redecorate,
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but you can't just yard sale the Lincoln Bed to buy a sectional.
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And it changes how projects... But you can sell bricks from the East Wing.
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Oh my god, is that happening?
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I heard, but I didn't research it. Oh, okay. So rumor is.
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And it changed how projects were funded. The White House Historical Association,
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founded in 1961, becomes the non-profit vehicle for private donations and acquisitions.
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Public appropriations continue to cover building systems and operations.
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It's a dual-track approach. private money for museum-quality interiors and education,
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the museum park aspect, and federal money for the physical plant and security.
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Like the physical upkeep of the building, because we can't have it falling down
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on top of the heads of the first family and staff. That's bad. I mean...
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That's bad. At that point in time, yes, it wouldn't have been bad. That's always bad.
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After Kennedy, most changes are incremental. Routine refittings of the West
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and East Wings Ongoing preservations of state rooms And lifestyle amenities
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that spark predictable chatter For example,
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Nixon's 1969 Bullying Lane Separate from staff lanes Carter-era solar hot water
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panels Later removed And much later,
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Obama-era photovaltic Oh gosh,
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Photovaltic panels returning to the residence roof in 2014.
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I think that's the solar panels, right?
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Why do I have such a weird scientific name for it? Because they're a different
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kind of solar panel. Okay.
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The pattern is familiar. It collects a different type of light than the normal.
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Oh, okay. But it's still like the same purpose kind of. Yeah. Yeah.
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This pattern is
familiar. There are symbolic gestures blended with quiet infrastructure work.
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It's just pretty much how, you know, different part of the spectrum that it... Okay.
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Well, and plus to be more modern. Yeah, because Carter was 70.
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That's different because before it was announced they can use infrared and stuff.
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Right. That totally makes sense. Yeah.
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And through all of it, the rule of the 1960s still holds. Museum quality things are protected.
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Were protected. And you go through the Preservation Committee.
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That plus your friendly neighborhood acronyms. NPS, the National Park Service,
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stewards the grounds and partners with the executive residents.
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The Secret Service drives security needs.
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GSA and other federal entities touch facilities.
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And advisory bodies like the Commission of Fine Arts and National Capital Planning
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Commission review major projects in the Capitol.
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It's a multi-agency by design.
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At least it was. Now, I was going to say, you mean one person?
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It's not set up that way. Does that matter? In our current environment,
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it does not seem to matter.
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I was going to say, it's you. I know. In the 2000s and 2010s,
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renovation increasingly means fiber networks,
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SCIFs, and hardening the perimeter, changes you can't often see.
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The situation room specifically, let's talk about that for a second.
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First formalized under JFK has undergone multiple tech overhauls because,
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you know, technology evolves.
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Yeah. The most recent was a one-year roughly $50 million renovation completed
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in 2023 that modernized secure communications, rooms, and workflows.
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It's the most secure square footage in the building, and it must be upgraded
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on a cycle that keeps up with threats. Totally makes sense.
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The fence. Following repeated jump attempts, the Secret Service and NPS, National Park Service,
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led a $64 million project to replace the six and a half foot fence with a 13
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foot anti-climb barrier beginning in 2019.
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That's a renovation of the boundary. Less glamorous than a ballroom,
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more consequential for security.
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The change in perimeter also tells you how the public realm shifts.
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Tourists grumbled about views. Security people pointed incident data that push-pull
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is baked in every White House decision.
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Meanwhile... Of course something's baked. It's baked.
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Meanwhile... How do I say that word? Silical? No. Cyclical. Thank you.
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Meanwhile, cyclical maintenance goes on. West Wing refreshes,
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carpet and paint, IT upgrades.
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In 2017, a two-week West Wing renovation addresses structural repairs,
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HVAC, and network systems, reported at around a few million dollars.
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These are routine federal facilities projects baked into budgets and planned ahead of time.
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And sometimes first lady initiatives like Millennia Trump's Tennis Pavilion
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and a 2020 Rose Garden renovation,
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headline for design choices and donor optics, But they also plug into the broader
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matrix of NPS, the Preservation Committee, and private funding via the Historical Association.
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In October 2025, you know, this month. Although by the time this comes out,
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it won't be this month. If this episode ever comes out.
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It might not be this year. But I... Okay.
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The White House began demolishing the East Wing to make way for a massive glass-walled
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ballroom project championed by President Donald Trump. We began demolishing? They did demolish.
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I'm just going by what you said. The proposal, variously cited at $250 to $300
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million, calls for a roughly 90,000-square-foot facility connected to the residents.
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The administration has said the project is privately funded through donations
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from individuals, corporations, and the president's associates.
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The East Wing isn't just any annex.
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It's a wartime structure with the PEOC bunker below.
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And decades of First Lady's operations above. preservationists,
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architects, and process watchers started waving red flags the moment demolition fencing went up.
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Critics, including the National Trust for Historic Preservation and Professional
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Groups, argued that large federal projects in Washington typically require review
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by the National Capital Planning Commission and the Commission of Fine Arts.
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Public processes rooted in federal policy
and decades of precedent.
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Reporting noted that demolition was underway even as those public steps had
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not yet been completed, sparking questions about legal mechanisms to halt or review the teardown.
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The administration has maintained that private funding and distinctions between
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demolition and construction changed the approval landscape.
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That's called lawyer speak.
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Others say that it is a break from norms and potentially form new policy going forward.
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Meanwhile, the donor list, not to be confused with the Epstein list,
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this list we actually kind of have.
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Large brand name companies in tech and defense reportedly included,
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added another layer, is corporate philanthropy remaking the people's house or
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just underwriting an executive preference?
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That's not a new question. Jackie Kennedy's restoration relied on donors,
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too, but the scale, the demolition of a whole wing and the timeline make this different.
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Yes, as far as I recall, she didn't demo anything.
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The administration frames the project as an overdue modernization for state hospitality.
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Tents on the South Lawn are inelegant. The East Room is too small.
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A 900 to 1,000-guest ballroom would meet contemporary diplomatic needs,
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but it was good enough for Princess Diana in 1985 to dance with John Travolta in.
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And, you know, everybody else. Yeah.
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Opponents counter that the White House already has large entertaining spaces
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and that megastructures alter the historic composition of the grounds,
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including the Rose Garden axis long associated with JFK and designer Rachel
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Bunny Mellon, which is also now gone. Thanks, Trump.
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Some stories describe patio-style treatments extending across parts of the garden,
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or all of it. Well, maybe it's parts, but it's most of it.
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A symbolic flashpoint since the garden itself was just redesigned in 2020. Thank you, Trump.
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Process and symbolism again. Even in earlier times, presidents pushed things through.
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Theodore Roosevelt bulldozed greenhouses. Truman built the balcony amid jeers,
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but those actions also flowed through appropriations and commissions in ways
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that were recognizable and reversible. This one feels bigger. And more permanent.
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Bigger in size and precedent. Multiple outlets reported that the East Wing demolition
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is proceeding ahead of formal NCPC approvals.
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Former commission officials told reporters that while review is traditionally
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required, there may be no precise administrative mechanism to stop demolition once underway.
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Yeah, it's a little too late at that point. Yeah.
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That procedural ambiguity, paired with a pledge of private funding,
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made this the most controversial physical change since the Truman Reconstruction,
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which did go through appropriations.
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Yeah, yeah.
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With the exception of that balcony, which was a little more like a private funding.
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Let's step back and decode approvals and fundings across the eras.
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Early Republic to 19th century. Congress authorizes spending to build or rebuild
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after 1814, furnish, and maintain the president's house.
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Purchases sometimes include authority to dispose of out-of-date items,
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reflecting a utilitarian view of federal property.
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Theodore Roosevelt and Taft, 1902-1909. Congress appropriates funds to modernize
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and separate functions, the business of the White House and where the family
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lived. That's what that means.
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McKim's 1902 overhaul and Taft's 1909 expansion with the First Oval Office are
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classic public works inside the executive compound.
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Approvals involved the president, architects, and already by then, advisory art bodies.
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Calvin Coolidge, 1927. Third floor expansion, ancillarium.
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Again, federal works, improving the residence envelope and living capacity.
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Not flashy to the public, vital for function.
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Truman, in 1948 to 1952, the large-scale structural rebuild funded with public
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money, steel frame, new systems, and the famous balcony paid from household funds.
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This is the last time the White House core changed on any magnitude.
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Until now. With approval and oversight. Approval and oversight? What's that? What?
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Kennedy and after 1961 plus. A new architecture of governance,
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public law 87 to 86, protects museum characters, state and ground floors.
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The 1964
executive order establishes the Curator and Preservation Committee.
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The White House Historical Association serves as the conduit for private gifts and acquisitions.
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And those private gifts might be money, but they might also be paintings or
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sculptures. while public appropriations support the building and grounds.
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From this point, First Lady projects can be privately funded and still professionally reviewed.
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And okayed. Security and infrastructures, 2000-2020s.
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Situation room overhauls for, you know, national security.
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Understandable. New fencing, again, security.
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Cyber security and HVAC work. All needs upgraded eventually.
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Time keeps going, paid through federal appropriations and managed with multiple
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agencies, the EEOP, the USSS, NPS, and GSA, and commissions when required,
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and there's also a bidding process.
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These aren't decorative, they're mission critical.
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Then we have the Trump Ballroom 2025.
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Private pledges and donors underwrite a large new construction that requires
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demolition of the East Wing.
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Critics say it bypassed traditional review and public comment.
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That's not critics. That's actually what happened.
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That's like everyday people saying this as well.
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The White House argues that review regime doesn't bar demolition and that approvals
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will follow for construction. So it's okay to tear down.
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No approval needed for that to tear down an entire part of the building that's
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been there since, what was that, 1942? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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The scale of private money. But you know he's just doing it because the actual
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residence is too small, so that's going to actually be the residence,
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and he's going to gut the inside of what the White House is and turn that into the ballroom.
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Well, that's a theory I haven't heard yet, but okay. That's what he's going
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to do because that's why it's bigger than the residence, because the residence
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isn't big enough for him.
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The scale of private money changes optics and governance questions.
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So in short, earlier errors equal public money and visible processes.
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Mid-century onward equals a split model where private money decorates,
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public money secures and maintains.
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Today's ballroom equals private checkbook funding, a structural transformation
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whose process alarms the world. Yes.
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Contemporary reactions make the story come alive. Renovations.
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No. Oh! Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I thought you needed another one of those where you...
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No, I read that right. I stopped.
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So, the porticos that were built during the 1820s and 1830s.
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People saw these as dignifying the house.
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Grand stairs in classical language befitting a young republic.
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An aesthetic edition approved without our modern preservation apparatus.
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Teddy Roosevelt's 1902 overhaul. Newspapers lament the loss of the greenhouses
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and the stripping of Victorian interiors.
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Supporters praise the rational plan and space for modern presidency.
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Congress, by funding...
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Validates the change. Truman Balcony.
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1948, right? Find how arts commissioners object.
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Cartoonists mock. Because that's what cartoonists do. Or today's version of
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that would be the late night shows.
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Before they get forced off the air by government interference.
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Truman barrels ahead and pays for it from household funds, which is a little
00:31:49.883 --> 00:31:55.663
shady, but apparently we look the other way. Once we decided after construction,
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many critics conceded that it improved the facade.
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By we, I mean like the American people that were alive then, not me.
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Truman's reconstruction beyond the balcony.
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Some mourn the old interior. Most accept necessity after structural failures
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make the building unsafe.
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You have to keep it to safety standards.
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I realized, like, during the 1930s and 40s, we were a little preoccupied,
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you know, with the Great Depression and World War II. Yeah, just a little bit. Just a little bit.
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By the end, the residence is a modern frame with historical finishes layered back in.
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Kind of a nice little compromise that most people, I think, once they got over
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the it's changing aspect because people hate change, they were okay with.
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Kennedy Restoration, 1961-63, TV special turns the country into
connoisseurs overnight.
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Because Jacqueline Kennedy was brilliant and invited the TV cameras in to show
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everyone that was in black and white, but to show everyone what she did.
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And people were so mesmerized by Jackie Kennedy and the whole Camelot thing.
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And I do believe Jack Kennedy makes an appearance that it's good PR.
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She wins them over with good PR, you know.
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Congress and an executive order lock in museum stewardship.
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Private donors become heroes of heritage during this era.
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Security fence. Tourists complain about photos because they can no longer get
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their good photos. And you do go to Washington, D.C.
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And one of the places you want to see as a tourist is White House. I get it. Not anymore.
00:33:42.974 --> 00:33:47.574
Neighbors and officials focus on intrusions and evolving threats.
00:33:47.934 --> 00:33:51.574
The new 13-foot fence is a visible compromise.
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Safety versus openness. Because remember, back in the 1800s,
00:33:56.994 --> 00:33:59.214
like, you could just walk into the White House.
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Yeah. Especially pre-Civil War. You could just walk in. Anybody.
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Fence doesn't even need it.
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Situation Room 2023. Inside baseball to most Americans, but national security
00:34:14.374 --> 00:34:16.114
pros celebrate the upgrade.
00:34:16.834 --> 00:34:21.754
Media tours showcase wood paneling and tech, a blend of tradition and capability.
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And then we have the Trump Ballroom 2025.
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Architects, preservation groups, a lot of normal people in the street,
00:34:30.714 --> 00:34:35.394
and formal officials question the process and impact. Two-thirds of all Americans,
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according to Yahoo today.
00:34:36.714 --> 00:34:42.694
There we go. The White House tout private funding, which I hope we get a list
00:34:42.694 --> 00:34:46.574
of everybody who donated and how much and what their companies are.
00:34:46.674 --> 00:34:48.114
I know what list I'd rather get, though.
00:34:48.334 --> 00:34:52.514
Yes, we all want that one, too. Can we have both, though? What if they're the same list?
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They probably are very similar.
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Capacity for statecraft and modernization. The demolition of the East Wing completed
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in days. I don't even know if it took days.
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It was like maybe two. Yeah, it took like two days. Yeah.
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And then people were encouraged to not take pictures so people didn't know about
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it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's not shady at all.
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Makes it the most polarizing change in generations. Because literally,
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I don't know how many people are still alive that were there for,
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well, definitely not Truman's renovation.
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There can't be that many. I'm not saying there isn't at all.
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But it's a small population of early boomers and World War II generation people.
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There's not that many of them left. No, like my parents are boomers, and they are 74 and 71.
00:35:42.984 --> 00:35:48.464
And they were born in the early 50s. Wow. So, I mean, yeah.
00:35:50.464 --> 00:35:55.884
Every generation gets the White House it argues for. You can draw three overlapping buckets.
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Modernization enhances functionality without obviously altering the icon.
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Those would be the West Wing expansions of 1909 and the 19...
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40s, I think that's actually what that's supposed to say.
00:36:10.424 --> 00:36:16.624
The third floor living space in 1927, HVAC, because we do need air conditioning. I mean, come on.
00:36:17.364 --> 00:36:21.784
And wiring overhauls, IT refreshes. They get funded, they get done.
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And unless you're a staffer or a curator, you might not even notice.
00:36:25.984 --> 00:36:30.784
They're not changing, well, the third floor is, but they're not changing like
00:36:30.784 --> 00:36:34.024
the foundational footprint of the White House.
00:36:34.844 --> 00:36:38.584
Security projects, you've got the fencing, the situation upgrades,
00:36:38.864 --> 00:36:43.524
PEOC work, are justified by threat environment. I mean, that's just the modern world we live in.
00:36:43.804 --> 00:36:48.344
These often involve multiple agencies and clear public safety rationales,
00:36:48.384 --> 00:36:50.584
even if they dent aesthetics or access.
00:36:51.968 --> 00:36:57.608
Controversy tends to attach to visible symbolic changes like tearing down an
00:36:57.608 --> 00:37:03.048
entire wing, the removal of other beloved features, Teddy Roosevelt versus the greenhouses,
00:37:03.608 --> 00:37:08.968
additions that alter the facades, the Truman Balcony, or significant new construction,
00:37:09.468 --> 00:37:16.308
the ballroom, that reframes the historic landscape or short-circuit's customary review.
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The more the change reads as personal taste or power, the louder the reaction.
00:37:23.008 --> 00:37:27.648
And I don't know if we have mentioned this. Of course, FDR had his swimming pool.
00:37:28.068 --> 00:37:31.748
Yeah, you didn't mention that yet. Yes. I don't know why not,
00:37:31.848 --> 00:37:35.888
but he did have his pool. It was a way for him to get exercise.
00:37:36.788 --> 00:37:42.048
It is where I believe the media is housed now.
00:37:42.288 --> 00:37:44.968
It is no longer there. It's been paved over. I mean, It's there.
00:37:45.128 --> 00:37:46.488
It's in the press room now. Yeah.
00:37:47.168 --> 00:37:52.528
I know Obama turned the tennis courts into a basketball court.
00:37:53.148 --> 00:37:59.608
I think that involved literally painting different lines and putting up a removable basketball hoop.
00:38:00.368 --> 00:38:05.088
Not huge structural changes. I mean, the pool is a structural change.
00:38:05.508 --> 00:38:12.968
But, like, this was done before any of the modern, like, checks and balances
00:38:12.968 --> 00:38:14.148
when it comes to construction.
00:38:14.528 --> 00:38:18.268
Well, the pool wasn't actually in the residence anyway. No, it wasn't.
00:38:18.488 --> 00:38:20.428
And it was there until Nixon.
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Nixon's the one who paved over and made it the press secretary.
00:38:25.508 --> 00:38:28.328
Or the big press room. Big press room, yeah.
00:38:28.848 --> 00:38:33.768
So, like, some of those smaller things have definitely been controversial, is my point.
00:38:36.187 --> 00:38:40.507
Not quite as big as some of the other ones we talked about. Go ahead.
00:38:40.867 --> 00:38:42.487
And money sources matter.
00:38:42.847 --> 00:38:45.347
Private donors buying a SETI for the Red Room? Fine.
00:38:45.767 --> 00:38:49.787
Private donors funding a 90,000-square-foot structure that demolishes an entire wing?
00:38:50.247 --> 00:38:55.467
That's a constitutional violation, even if his lawyers say it's allowed.
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Or a possible constitutional question, at least.
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At least we should be questioning it. There's nothing wrong with questioning
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your government. that we should be doing that no matter who's in office.
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The Constitution is just a paper.
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Three big through lines to end on. Continuity through change.
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The White House has continually been remade.
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Porticles added gravitas. Teddy Roosevelt made it workable.
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Truman made it safer. Kennedy made it a museum. Security projects kept it viable.
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Now a ballroom bids to make it grander or bigger, depending on your view.
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The process is part of preservation.
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Since the 1960s, committees, commissions, and laws have kept the show from becoming
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a personal vanity project.
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The current ballroom saga tests these guardrails. What's required,
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what's customary, what's enforceable.
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Public meaning. The house is a private home, an office, a museum,
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a military node, and a park, and a business.
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Essentially, like the business of the American people. Government It's not just private.
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Every change balanced these identities. When something as visible as the East
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Wing goes down, Americans rightly ask who decided, who paid, and what did we lose?
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The answer ripple through how we think about power and heritage.
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You can't stop change. Like, you're not progress, I mean. Can't stop progress.
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But it is our responsibility as Americans to question our government officials
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and to demand answers. They work for us.
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So that is well within our rights.
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Also, let's be honest. In 50 years after the next nuclear war,
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tourists may line up under a chandelier and say, can you believe this was once controversial?
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Then the next president will want to turn it into a pickleball arena.
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And we'll do this all again. Please, no pickleball in the staterooms.
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Pickleball anywhere right that's our
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exist until like a year ago now when i
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worked at the ymca they had okay and that was like over a
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decade ago five years so yeah let's turn down a mcdonald's the most pop the
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most popular one in the city of erie to make a pickleball court just just to
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keep the homeless people out oh my gosh yeah so every president has come in
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and put some changes to the White House. That is normal.
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It's just to what degree are they allowed to do it and what degree should the
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public become involved in it?
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And what degree should Congress have a say in it? Like, that's all important.
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That's our tour of the White House. You can't see on the map the structural,
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political, and symbolic renovation that made and remade it.
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I don't actually have any of that, but that's okay. If you let us rate and review
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time tellers and tell us what landmark we should renovate with history next. I'm Renee.
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And I'm Dan. Thanks for listening. Bye.