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Katherine Grant: Welcome to the
Historical Romance Sampler Podcast.
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The place for you to find new historical
romance books and authors to fan over.
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I'm award winning historical romance
author Katherine Grant, and each
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week I'm inviting fellow authors
to come on and share a little
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bit of their work and themselves.
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They'll read a sample of one of
their books, and then I'm going
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to ask them a bunch of questions.
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By the end of the episode, you'll have a
sense of what they write and who they are.
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Hopefully, you and I both will
have something new to read.
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So what are we waiting for?
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Let's get into this week's episode.
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I am super excited to be joined today by
Steffy Smith, all the way from Australia.
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Inspired by her dreams, Steffy
writes stories from across the
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eras, combining her love of
history and happily ever afters.
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Her writing is fueled by Earl
Grey, sporadic bouts of manic
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energy, and keeping herself
accountable with deadlines.
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From Regency ballrooms to
Scottish Highlands, from Viking
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longboats to Western saloons,
Steffy has a story for you.
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Steffy, thank you so much
for joining me today.
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Steffy Smith: Thank you for having me.
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Katherine Grant: I'm super excited
to talk to you and hear one of your
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stories, so what era are you giving us?
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Steffy Smith: So it will be the,
the Regency era in obviously England
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and it's a story that's part of
a 12 author series collaboration.
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So yeah, it was really exciting
to be part of that and to
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share some of that story today.
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Katherine Grant: I love that.
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So what is the name of the book?
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Steffy Smith: So it's His
Regency Goddess and it's part of
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the Curves and Cravats series.
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Collaboration.
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Katherine Grant: Fantastic.
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We had Felicity Niven
on earlier reading hers.
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So we're getting a little bit
of the Curves and cravats here.
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All right, well, whenever you're ready,
tell us about the scene and
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Steffy Smith: Perfect.
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Thank you.
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So I'm going to start midway
through chapter four and then
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lead into the next chapter.
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So.
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My characters are Sin and Sophie,
we're going to start with some
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point of view from Sin first.
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So he's getting ready to go to the, to a
to a social event where he's going to see
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Sophie and meet her for the first time.
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They will have a bit of his
vanity to start off with.
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All right, here I go.
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He was nearly dressed and moved
to the mirror to don his cravat.
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Sin crossed the ends of the stiff white
cloth around his neck before reaching
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for a silver and jade pin from his
travels to hold the ends in place.
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Stepping back, he eyed his full
length before pulling on his
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black waistcoat, black and white
with a little pop of colour.
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His light brown hair and dark eyes
contrasted well with the black
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and white, and his bright grin
flashed as he talked himself in.
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He believed that men who wore
colourful clothes were fops.
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He picked up his gold pocket
watch and checked the time before
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placing it in his trouser pockets.
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It was half past nine, perfect
time, not too early, not too
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late, and he could wait no longer.
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"Look at you, you swell devil," James
Greybridge, the host of the evening,
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welcomed him with a warm embrace.
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"It is good to see you, James," Sin
replied as he returned the embrace.
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James was another close friend,
but one he had not kept in
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contact with as he had Daniel.
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James introduced him to his
wife Cecily, a petite brunette
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who was all smiles and giggles.
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He looked back to James, who winked
at him over the top of her head.
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James' ideal woman had always been a
giddy deb, and it seemed his old friend
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had landed himself the perfect match.
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"Come, Sin, let us go and reacquaint
ourselves over a drink before you
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get rushed by all the other guests."
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"Good idea.
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Has Daniel arrived yet?"
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He hoped his tone was casual and did not
betray his eagerness at seeing Sophie.
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"He has, with his wife and her friend.
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Let me grab him as well.
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We three can share a drink,
just like old times."
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James asked Cecily to bring Daniel
over, and in moments Daniel, his
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wife, and that delectable goddess
Sophie were walking towards him.
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Sophie was wearing a green dress, the
color setting off her ginger hair and
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accentuating those pale green doe eyes.
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She seemed nervous with a
wide eyed, innocent look.
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He watched the tip of her tongue
escape and lick her plump pink lips.
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His eyes narrowed as he noticed he
was not the only one admiring Sophie.
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His body tensed as jealousy
surged through him.
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Get it together, Sin, he scolded himself.
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He sensed a hostile stare and
shifted his gaze to find the
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narrowed eyes of Daniel's wife.
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"Sin, is this an improved you
arriving at a party so early?"
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Daniel ribbed.
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"Allow me the pleasure of introducing
my wife, my Viscountess Margot, and
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her dear friend, Dowager Duchess
of Whitmore, Sophia Westcott.
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This is my old friend,
Lord Sinclair Montgomery."
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Daniel and James appeared to be a few
drinks in and oblivious to the tension.
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Margot was unimpressed, Sophie was
nervous, and he was confused, aroused,
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and surprised, all at the same time.
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Cecily was smiling prettily at no
one as she hung on to her husband.
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Sin grabbed Margot's hand first and
bent over to kiss her gloved hand.
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" It's such a pleasure to meet the
woman who has made my friend so
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happy," he murmured politely.
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She replied coolly, "How kind,
I've heard so much about you."
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He ignored her emphasis and
turned his attentions to Sophie.
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Everything and everyone else
faded away as he grabbed her hand.
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The white satin glove provided
little barrier to the heat
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that erupted at this contact.
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He brought her hand up to his
lips but flipped it and
placed a
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hot kiss to her pulse before he
lifted his gaze to her jade eyes.
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"It is a pleasure to meet you, Your Grace.
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I am Sinclair Montgomery."
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Sin indeed, Sophie gasped inwardly as she
tried to refrain from fanning herself.
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The clear head dropped off
as soon as she met his gaze.
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This man could easily personify
one of the seven deadly sins
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as lust erupted in her body.
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She had told the universe she wanted
passion, and now Providence was tempting
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her with a simple kiss on the hand.
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Margot's derisive snort brought her
out of her cascading thoughts, and
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she quickly let go of Sin's hand.
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The twinkle of mirth in his dark eyes
and his lazy smile told her he had
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not missed a second of her reaction.
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"Ah, lady like as always, dear
wife," Daniel told Margot jovially
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with a kiss to her forehead.
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'Well, if Sin does not mind, I
think I shall stick with calling
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him Sinclair," Margot retorted
as she linked arms with Sophie.
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"You can call me anything you
wish, beloved of my oldest friend.
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We will all become fast friends yet."
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Sin winked at Margot, and she
failed to stop her blush at the
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charming but roguish gesture.
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Frustrated at the winking Sin
and the laughing Daniel, Margot
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hit the latter with her reticule.
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"Lord help us to deal with men that
are boys and fools," she proclaimed
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as she tugged Sophie away, and
gestured for Cecily to follow.
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Sophie was still too stunned by
her encounter with Sin to speak.
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She could not stop herself from
casting a backward glance and
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saw his eyes were still on her.
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The distance made her braver, and she
gave him what she hoped was a coy smile.
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Her inner critic told her to stay
away from Sin, but her inner heroine
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was telling her to indulge in
one of the seven cardinal vices.
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Sophie sipped at her ratafia as Margot
raged to Cecily and some of the other
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women about the follies of rakes in
the time and how they should be made
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to live abroad during the season.
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"But Margot, was your husband,
not once a rake himself?"
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Asked a talk brunette, whose
name Sophie could not recall.
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The question held no sign of
malice, just curiosity, and Margot's
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mouth dropped open in horror.
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"Never.
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My Daniel may have had a few dallyances,
but never did he do so with the lady.
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And he accorded me all the respect and
chivalry one could want in a beau."
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Her chin jutted down at a stubborn angle.
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Sophie bit her lip to stop
herself from laughing.
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A fiery Margo was always entertaining
and would admit to her hot temper
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once cooler heads prevailed.
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But something about Sin
really riled her up.
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Sophie also had the privilege as
Margot's best friend of knowing about the
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roguishly stolen kisses and caresses she
had shared with Daniel before they wed.
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They had giggled about them for
hours on end, and Sophie asking
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her to repeat every detail.
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She was two years older than Margot,
but had always taken the role of the
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younger sister in their friendship.
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Margot was always her staunch supporter.
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Now, a change in topic was clearly
needed, so Sophie asked Margot about the
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first opera they were planning to see.
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This proved a worthy distraction,
as the women began to gossip all
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at once about who was playing
what role and who had what seats.
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Satisfied that the group's attention
was now completely focused on a
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topic that would go from strength
to strength, as far as gossip was
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concerned, she leaned over to Cecily.
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"Cecily, I know you have an event planned
for viewing her, but would it be an
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imposition for me to see the Botticelli?
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I hope you do not think me
too forward for asking."
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She asked in a soft whisper
so no one else would hear.
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Margot had confided this tidbit in her,
and Sophie had asked first if it would be
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too forward to ask for a glance tonight.
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Sophie loved art, and knowing
there was a famed artwork in the
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vicinity was too much to bear.
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Cecily, endearing as always,
smiled and nodded as she brought
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a finger to her lips and stood up.
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Giddy with excitement, Sophie stood
with her and splashed a little
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bit of her drink on her dress.
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"A good idea, a guise," Cecily
applauded her quietly before
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turning loudly to the group.
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"Sophie has soiled her dress, we must
go and clean it up," Cecily announced.
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"Not my intention to highlight my
clumsiness, but a small price to pay."
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Bigger scheme of things, Sophie thought,
as the women glanced sideways at her
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before turning back to their conversation.
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She knew James wanted to keep the
painting veiled for a special event, but
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she would not be able to sleep tonight
if she didn't get a chance to see it.
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She followed Cecily down a long
hallway and into a library.
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In the middle of the room stood
an easel, its contents draped.
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The servant had followed them in,
and Cecily requested they light
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all the candles in the room.
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"I will leave you to your admiration,
Sophie, but I have seen it so many
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times, it has quite lost its luster.
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Come back the way we came and find me.
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And I will send for the
candles to be snuffed."
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Sophie was astounded by Cecily's
simple and pleasant attitude
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towards a marvelous wonder.
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She stopped trying to understand the
other woman and rushed to the easel.
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Gently, she pulled down the sheet
inch by inch as she took a deep
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breath to contain her excitement.
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As the plain covering fell away, the birth
of Venus erupted in front of her eyes
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in a dizzying array of vibrant colors
and textured strokes of creativity.
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Despite there being four figures
in the painting, her eyes were
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automatically drawn to Venus herself.
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She held her fingertips as close
as possible to the artwork without
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actually touching it and marvelled
at her captured expression.
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Venus, in her mind, seemed perturbed
by
what surrounded her as she rose from
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the clamshell in all her nude glory.
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She looked resigned but beautiful.
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Regal, but without haughtiness.
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Sophie's eyes took in the ginger waves
and soft white curves so like her own.
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She knew she boasted a more
voluptuous figure like those
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found in ancient stone carvings.
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They always filled her with confidence
when she admired their beauty.
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"Beauty, such a work of beauty," she
murmured as her eyes frowned over the rest
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of the painting and noted the intricate
details captured in this mythic event.
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"A work of beauty indeed," said
a husky voice from behind her.
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Katherine Grant: Dun,
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dun, dun!
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Yeah.
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Oh, that was lovely.
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Katherine Grant: Alright, well,
I am back with Steffy Smith, who
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just read His Regency Goddess.
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Her entry into the Curves and
Cravats multi author series.
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And one thing that stood out to me,
well, you kind of framed it for us as
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you were setting up the scene that we
were about to see Sinclair's vanity.
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And then we also have Sophie's kind
of contemplation of beauty when
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she's looking at the Botticelli.
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Can you talk about at what point?
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In writing, did you find vanity
slash beauty as a theme and, and
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how did you decide to work with it?
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Steffy Smith: So with the vanity, when
I started to, I guess, form this story
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in my mind and just the message of the,
the collaboration itself around body
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positivity, I didn't want to make it
a story around Sophie feeling overly,
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you know, negative about herself and
having to like constantly validate.
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So the inspiration, which is kind
of cheeky, the Botticelli, cause I'm
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not, I'm pretty sure it's never even
been to England but that took a bit
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of poetic license there because once
I got the idea in my head, like it
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just needed to happen that way, and
it's such an iconic piece of artwork
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of the, you know, the female figure.
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So with that in mind, I wanted Sophie
to look at the painting and see herself
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in it, like in a way of like beauty and
in a way of like positive comparison
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and not You know, comparing herself
in a way that, you know, doesn't
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make her feel good about herself.
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And then with Sinclair, I guess,
with his characterization, you
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know, he's a good looking guy.
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He's been with lots of women,
you know, does as he pleases.
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So he's got that vanity, but when he,
I guess, meets Sophie, it kind of, you
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know, rocks him to his core in a way
as in he's never quite seen somebody.
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quite like her before, like come to
life after he's some more background.
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He's just been abroad, like, you know,
traveling through, you know, Europe and
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met lots of different women along the way.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Katherine Grant: Hmm.
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Yeah.
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I like that because I
think we have
a stereotype in our modern heads that
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women care about what we look like
and men just like, don't like, they
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don't, they'll just put on, you know,
basic deodorant and call it the day.
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But of course men do experience vanity.
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And so I like that it's a Regency
trope too, that there are dandies,
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but that you really like leaned into
that and had him be Sophie's foil.
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And, but like, you know, he's in such a,
a vanity complex that, "colorful cloth.
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Oh, that's just for fops.
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I can't possibly wear anything colorful."
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Yes, I love that.
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So you mentioned in your intro that
your stories come to you through
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your dreams and your fantasies.
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So I'm really curious to
hear more about your muse.
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Can you tell us about how stories
come to you through your dreams?
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Steffy Smith: This one
was actually very random.
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So one of my fellow writer friends,
Alivia Fleur, she was part of the collab
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originally, and she had to pull out and
she put some feelers out and I was like,
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Oh, this is something I want to do, but
it's, you know, a couple of months away.
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I don't quite have a story and I'm like,
let me think about it within two days.
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Sin came to me.
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So if he came to me, the Botticelli came
to me and I think it was like, when I say
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dreams, like, you know, that when you're
trying to fall asleep and I'm not a good
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sleeper, you know, your mind just races.
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I tend to like, I guess like
fantasize or, you know, picture,
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imagine, think of things, imagine
myself in the historical setting.
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And that's just kind of how
it started to come to me.
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Yeah, within that.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, I mean, so I
joined it and then the story just
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flowed really organically to me.
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So even though I probably didn't have
as much time as one would normally have
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to write a book, and it is a novella, so
it's only around the 20, 000 word mark.
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So It was just like it was meant to be
with just kind of how it all panned out.
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Like I didn't struggle with
getting from start to finish.
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Katherine Grant: I love that.
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And then you're writing across
a lot of different eras.
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So how do you, I guess
know, which era to write in.
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And then also how do you manage the
research to write across different eras?
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Steffy Smith: So with the research,
because I've been you know, an avid
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historical fan since I was little
all that reading and researching
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and, you know, watching TV and movies
and, you know, just the endless, you
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know, Getting on the internet, you
know, when that became a thing and
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just everything's at your fingertips.
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And I'm just a very curious person and
I go through periods of like obsession.
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So like, I'll like one part of
history or one era, and then I
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must know all the things about it.
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So there is quite a bit of, I guess,
head opping between so as I was
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writing His Regency Goddess, I was
also working on a Viking Age romance.
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So like complete opposite
parts of time history.
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So that is something that
kind of works for me.
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But I can imagine that as time goes
on, especially as I want to explore
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more areas, I'll probably have to
put some more process in place or,
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you know, some more boundaries around
working at one thing at a time.
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Otherwise that might just make me
very like, it'll get, it will be
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hard for me to finish one thing.
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Cause my head's going to
be in too many different.
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Times of history.
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Katherine Grant: Yeah.
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And do you feel like writing
a Viking story versus writing
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a Regency story is different
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besides the era?
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Steffy Smith: Yes.
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I definitely just with like
the, I guess, societal norms and
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like things that will happen.
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So in my Viking book he's a Viking,
but he rescues her from another Viking.
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He's like kidnapped her
to sell her as a slave.
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Like you wouldn't really see that
thing come through in a regency and
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then, you know, in a regency, it
can be very like, you know, pretty
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going to balls, very nice clothes.
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Then, you know, in the Viking age, you
know, you still wear nice things, I
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guess, for, you know, they were very
the Vikings were actually very clean.
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You know, contrary to public opinion,
and they took a lot of pride in
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their appearance, but still like,
you know, in that era, you're
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dressing more for comfort, for
warmth, for those kinds of things.
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So yeah, it's just getting
really out of all the different.
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And I think that the, like the the
language, so something I'm finding,
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and I had some feedback come through
His Regency Goddess that there
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was a bit of a modern feel to it.
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And on reflection, I think
that's because I was so gung ho
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on getting the body positive.
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So I think that Body positive
independent woman message across.
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I kind of fell into.
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More of like a modern way of talking.
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So something I have to be mindful
of as well is like, you know, the
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etymology of where something said
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in one era wouldn't have
been said in another.
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Katherine Grant: I have a copy editor
who works with me very closely on that.
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And like, she'll be like, this
phrase wasn't invented until the
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1920s, but it does work really well
here to describe their emotions.
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And I'm like, Oh, but I can't use it,
but I want to use it, but I can't use it.
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Steffy Smith: I'm a bit naughty if it
really works my character in the scene,
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like I'll use it knowing that someone
might say, Hey, that wasn't like use then.
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And I guess as a writer, like you
write for your readers, but sometimes
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you're writing for yourself as well.
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So I kind of like, have to like stack
up what, you know, what means more
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to me in that moment for that scene.
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But I just think it's a never,
you never stop learning when
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you're writing with everything.
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Katherine Grant: Yeah,
it's a joy and a challenge.
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So you mentioned that you've been
reading romance since you were little.
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So who are some of the authors
are most influential on your work?
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Steffy Smith: I was
hoping you'd ask me this.
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So I actually noted I think I've
got like five or six here, but
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I'll just quickly summarize.
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So the first two romances
I read was like a teenager.
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They were my mom's.
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I snuck them.
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She doesn't know.
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I've read them obviously as a
teenager, but she knows now.
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So the first one was the golden
spike by Ana Leigh, which was a
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post American civil war story.
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And she wrote a lot of Westerns which
I have now collected, it was very
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expensive to source them all because
I had to get them all from the US, but
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love her, love her books and I love
that historical component as well.
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So it's when they built
the railway across the U.
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S., kind of that setting after the war.
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The other one I read was
Joanna by Roberta Gellis.
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So that same medieval set during the
reign of King John and the events
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leading up to the Magna Carta.
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So her work is a bit more heavier
on the, you know, historical than
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the swoon, but I do love the story
of Geoffrey and Joanna, like in that
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story, it's still very like romantic
and touching, but there's still like a
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lot of English back history, war, drama,
you know, this, that, and the other.
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Then Connie Mason.
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I aspire to be a multi era author,
which is something she does so well.
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She's got so many books
across so many settings.
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And then just lastly, Julie
Garwood, of course, and all
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of Lindsay Sands historicals.
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Like they just bring me so much joy.
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Yeah.
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And that's not even like my whole
list, but these are like the top.
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Yeah.
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Those are, those are your desert Island.
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Yes.
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Katherine Grant: Well, so what is it
in, I know that in Australia the book
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distribution obviously is different.
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Are there Australian romance authors
that you grew up reading too?
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Steffy Smith: Not really.
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For me finding the books, a lot of them
was like just secondhand up shopping eBay.
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Like I don't never go into like a
bookstore and find, you know, one of the
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original like mass market paperbacks,
like on, you know, to be purchased.
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It's always just been through I
have amassed quite a collection.
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I think I've got over a hundred like
historical romance, but very much
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focused on the eighties, nineties
love to collect step backs and
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that's hard to find in Australia.
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So eBay is my friend.
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And yeah.
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And I feel like my, my mom had quite
a few and over the years, like, you
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know, would have gotten rid of them.
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And I'm like, damn, I wish I was more
forthcoming with how much I liked them
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as a teenager so I could have kept them.
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But I have the original The first few
books I mentioned, the Golden Spike
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and Joanna, the copies I have are the
ones I've had since a teenager, so
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Katherine Grant: Oh, I love that.
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I love to have a book that like
I've been holding onto for decades.
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Okay, so I'm curious.
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I read somewhere that you love
Cinnamon Roll Heroes, which I do too.
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I also think of Cinnamon Roll Heroes
as kind of a modern romance thing
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where we're allowing the heroes
to be, you know, nice people.
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Yes.
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What is your take on a cinnamon roll?
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Like, how do you think about it?
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And do you think since you
are a fan of classic romances?
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Were there cinnamon roll heroes
that we just don't talk about?
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Steffy Smith: No.
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I'm just like shaking my head.
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I've actually I'm on doing a blog for the
Australian Romance Readers Association on
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Sunday and I'm talking about Connie Mason
and I just leave it very high level, but
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it's interesting you asked me this because
there are so many themes in those older
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historicals that you just won't see now.
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It doesn't
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mean that they're, you know, Right
or wrong per se, because it's
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a product of that time period
when they could write that.
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And, you know, I'm a very nonjudgmental
person, but there's also you know,
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themes that I don't agree with and I
would never touch on in my writing.
450
00:25:28,142 --> 00:25:34,717
So when I look back at, you know, I
guess there, I can think of like some
451
00:25:34,717 --> 00:25:39,107
heroes more in like those Highlander
romance like that have a bit more of
452
00:25:39,107 --> 00:25:44,617
like a comedic feel to them, that more
cinnamon role, but a lot of books the
453
00:25:44,617 --> 00:25:48,827
men, they make me so angry, but I'm also
so invested in the story and I see how
454
00:25:48,827 --> 00:25:52,247
they get to their happily ever after,
even like though they're such a jerk.
455
00:25:52,787 --> 00:25:56,487
I think I only ever read once and
this might be controversial, but
456
00:25:57,017 --> 00:25:59,557
Whitney my love, Whitney my love.
457
00:25:59,977 --> 00:26:00,457
Yeah.
458
00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:00,877
Mm-Hmm.
459
00:26:01,147 --> 00:26:04,117
. I only read that once and I
really did not like him, but I
460
00:26:04,182 --> 00:26:05,977
also really did not like her.
461
00:26:06,397 --> 00:26:12,027
And I was like, they don't sound, they're
not very like loving, like Mm-Hmm.
462
00:26:12,297 --> 00:26:13,347
throughout the story.
463
00:26:13,717 --> 00:26:19,567
And I have been described by a reviewer in
like a positive way as like a cream puff.
464
00:26:19,942 --> 00:26:23,372
Like the way I write romance, I'm
definitely more on that lighter
465
00:26:23,372 --> 00:26:26,732
side of thing, which is why I like
a cinnamon roll, but I like them
466
00:26:26,742 --> 00:26:28,572
with that perceived hard exterior.
467
00:26:28,612 --> 00:26:33,032
So my Viking is very like,
you know, he's a Viking.
468
00:26:33,562 --> 00:26:37,512
The last person you would think would
have that soft inner core, but he does.
469
00:26:37,932 --> 00:26:38,962
So that was really nice.
470
00:26:39,197 --> 00:26:41,037
Katherine Grant: Yeah.
471
00:26:41,317 --> 00:26:41,697
Yeah.
472
00:26:41,697 --> 00:26:42,527
I love that.
473
00:26:42,957 --> 00:26:47,197
I think I don't read a lot of
classic romance and I think I
474
00:26:47,237 --> 00:26:50,397
can't, I have very low tolerance
for a hero that I don't like.
475
00:26:50,647 --> 00:26:51,957
I've never read Whitney, my love.
476
00:26:51,977 --> 00:26:56,297
I've listened to several podcasts
analyzing it and I'm like, there's
477
00:26:56,297 --> 00:26:58,367
no way that I would get through this.
478
00:26:58,957 --> 00:26:59,847
But I think
479
00:27:00,817 --> 00:27:04,067
you're right when there's something
else in the story that we can root
480
00:27:04,067 --> 00:27:09,237
for, or when we can be in
the heroines
place, seeing that she really wants
481
00:27:09,237 --> 00:27:11,067
that, then we can root for her.
482
00:27:11,877 --> 00:27:14,567
And then that's a little
easier to get on board.
483
00:27:14,657 --> 00:27:18,027
But personally, I want
to like my hero too.
484
00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:21,267
Steffy Smith: A hundred percent,
because you want to like
485
00:27:21,467 --> 00:27:23,187
picture yourself in that moment.
486
00:27:23,217 --> 00:27:27,257
So you want to be enjoying the moment,
not sitting there thinking like, I
487
00:27:27,257 --> 00:27:28,947
really can't stand the sight of you.
488
00:27:29,477 --> 00:27:31,452
And there's a few, and I can't.
489
00:27:32,332 --> 00:27:34,742
That I just come to mind that I
can't think of the name, but there's
490
00:27:34,742 --> 00:27:38,062
a few classic historical romances
that I've come across that don't
491
00:27:38,062 --> 00:27:39,852
actually have a happily ever after.
492
00:27:41,812 --> 00:27:45,962
Which I'm just like, I don't know if it's
a Connie Mason one that I read and you go
493
00:27:46,012 --> 00:27:50,862
through this really like long, dramatic,
chaotic love story and then at the end
494
00:27:51,542 --> 00:27:52,992
they don't actually end up together.
495
00:27:53,342 --> 00:27:56,272
And it's just like really, really strange.
496
00:27:56,272 --> 00:27:57,962
I'll have to think which one it is.
497
00:27:57,962 --> 00:28:01,452
And if I ever remember, I'll
let you know which one it is.
498
00:28:02,182 --> 00:28:02,302
Yeah.
499
00:28:02,342 --> 00:28:06,002
Cause that was like, yeah,
really rare to come across.
500
00:28:06,012 --> 00:28:06,572
Yeah.
501
00:28:06,572 --> 00:28:09,242
Katherine Grant: I would have
thought that was a rule from day one.
502
00:28:10,502 --> 00:28:14,172
Steffy Smith: And the things are really
really not good in this book either.
503
00:28:14,602 --> 00:28:17,882
So I guess it probably led to that
being more, but I was like, I don't
504
00:28:18,012 --> 00:28:22,182
know if I classify this as a romance
book after I finished reading it.
505
00:28:22,202 --> 00:28:22,862
Katherine Grant: Yeah.
506
00:28:22,862 --> 00:28:22,927
Yeah.
507
00:28:23,477 --> 00:28:28,482
Well, that's a good segue into our game
about romance conventions and rules.
508
00:28:28,672 --> 00:28:29,782
Love it or leave it.
509
00:28:30,462 --> 00:28:31,502
Are you ready to play?
510
00:28:32,232 --> 00:28:32,692
I'm ready.
511
00:28:36,692 --> 00:28:37,562
Love it or leave it.
512
00:28:37,652 --> 00:28:40,662
Protagonists meet in the
first 10 percent of the novel.
513
00:28:41,902 --> 00:28:42,652
Steffy Smith: I'm a leave it.
514
00:28:42,732 --> 00:28:47,992
I need more in those first chapters
because I really need that backstory and
515
00:28:47,992 --> 00:28:51,632
those insights set for each individual
before they're thrown together.
516
00:28:51,632 --> 00:28:54,252
Katherine Grant: So interesting.
517
00:28:54,252 --> 00:28:54,712
All
518
00:28:54,712
--> 00:28:55,172
right.
519
00:28:55,352 --> 00:28:56,232
Love it or leave it?
520
00:28:56,242 --> 00:28:57,812
Dual point of view narration.
521
00:28:58,872 --> 00:28:59,582
Steffy Smith: Love it.
522
00:28:59,632 --> 00:29:02,242
I don't think I could
read a romance without it.
523
00:29:02,262 --> 00:29:05,532
I'd struggle to connect
to that one point of view.
524
00:29:05,602 --> 00:29:06,962
So definitely love it.
525
00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:08,322
Katherine Grant: All right.
526
00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:09,192
Love it or leave it?
527
00:29:09,262 --> 00:29:10,512
Third person past tense.
528
00:29:11,722 --> 00:29:12,342
Steffy Smith: Love it.
529
00:29:12,602 --> 00:29:15,612
Always provides that insight
to the scene and characters.
530
00:29:15,612 --> 00:29:16,412
Love reading it.
531
00:29:16,412 --> 00:29:17,032
Love writing it.
532
00:29:17,952 --> 00:29:18,302
Katherine Grant: Nice.
533
00:29:18,822 --> 00:29:19,682
Love it or leave it?
534
00:29:19,702 --> 00:29:21,612
Third act breakup or dark moment.
535
00:29:23,402 --> 00:29:25,062
Steffy Smith: Definitely
in my cream puff era.
536
00:29:25,132 --> 00:29:26,772
So I'm definitely going to say leave it.
537
00:29:27,032 --> 00:29:31,632
If I am reading anything dark, I'd need
to be and be in a mood and be aware of it.
538
00:29:31,802 --> 00:29:36,932
Otherwise I'm very much for
really happy, positive love.
539
00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:40,322
Katherine Grant: Love it or leave it?
540
00:29:40,342 --> 00:29:41,872
Always ends with an epilogue.
541
00:29:42,832 --> 00:29:43,372
Steffy Smith: Love it.
542
00:29:43,392 --> 00:29:47,392
It always ties the story up into
a really neat arranged ribbon.
543
00:29:47,712 --> 00:29:50,622
And if it's a series, it's a good
way to like do a bit of a teaser
544
00:29:50,702 --> 00:29:51,982
for what's going to happen next.
545
00:29:52,607 --> 00:29:53,107
Katherine Grant: Yeah.
546
00:29:53,327 --> 00:29:53,697
All right.
547
00:29:53,697 --> 00:29:54,407
Love it or leave it?
548
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:55,777
Share research in your author's note.
549
00:29:57,387 --> 00:29:57,717
Steffy Smith: Yeah.
550
00:29:57,717 --> 00:29:58,777
Normally I do.
551
00:29:58,907 --> 00:30:01,017
His Regency Goddess, I didn't as much.
552
00:30:01,047 --> 00:30:05,987
I went more around the, the meaning
of, you know, the, of what I wanted
553
00:30:05,987 --> 00:30:09,837
to convey from reading this story,
which is love yourself no matter what.
554
00:30:10,407 --> 00:30:12,337
But otherwise I do like to put in, yeah.
555
00:30:12,767 --> 00:30:16,877
little notes that I find interesting of
things that I learned during my research.
556
00:30:16,877 --> 00:30:17,887
So yeah, love it.
557
00:30:19,477 --> 00:30:19,747
Katherine Grant: Great.
558
00:30:19,757 --> 00:30:22,767
And are there any romance rules
I didn't ask about that you
559
00:30:22,787 --> 00:30:24,357
break or at least play with?
560
00:30:26,107 --> 00:30:28,937
Steffy Smith: Probably just the
one I mentioned before around,
561
00:30:29,277 --> 00:30:30,677
you know, something I've learned.
562
00:30:32,402 --> 00:30:34,122
But each new book comes learning.
563
00:30:34,142 --> 00:30:38,402
So the etymology, for example, then
word choice, like no matter how well
564
00:30:38,402 --> 00:30:40,552
researched and edited a book will be.
565
00:30:40,642 --> 00:30:43,652
Something's always going to crop
up, like reading through His Regency
566
00:30:43,652 --> 00:30:46,222
Goddess today, I'm like, I wish
I wrote that sentence different.
567
00:30:46,222 --> 00:30:48,952
I wish I used, you know, that other word.
568
00:30:49,192 --> 00:30:49,252
But yeah.
569
00:30:49,522 --> 00:30:52,622
But at the same time, if it works
well for me and the character,
570
00:30:52,822 --> 00:30:55,562
I am okay to, to bend a rule.
571
00:30:56,642 --> 00:30:57,152
Katherine Grant: Yeah.
572
00:30:57,552 --> 00:31:00,452
Well, thank you for playing
love it or leave it.
573
00:31:00,542 --> 00:31:02,442
And thank you for coming on the podcast.
574
00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:05,992
Where can our listeners
find you and your books?
575
00:31:08,432 --> 00:31:12,792
Steffy Smith: So on my website,
steffysmith books.com has my link tree
576
00:31:12,852 --> 00:31:15,882
and has all the links to all the things.
577
00:31:15,982 --> 00:31:17,242
Most of my books are wide.
578
00:31:17,242 --> 00:31:20,592
His Regency Goddess is KU Kindle only.
579
00:31:21,242 --> 00:31:24,857
And I have another audio book coming
out, which I'm really excited about.
580
00:31:25,022 --> 00:31:29,492
So, working with Isla Ross to
narrate my Highland Heart series.
581
00:31:30,032 --> 00:31:31,052
And yeah, she's amazing.
582
00:31:31,052 --> 00:31:32,902
So can't wait to see that.
583
00:31:32,902 --> 00:31:33,262
That's exciting.
584
00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:34,837
Katherine Grant: Yeah.
585
00:31:35,337 --> 00:31:35,637
All right.
586
00:31:35,637 --> 00:31:36,777
Well, we'll all go follow you.
587
00:31:36,777 --> 00:31:40,987
So we get notified when you're awesome.
588
00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:42,767
Well, thank you so much, Steffy.
589
00:31:42,787 --> 00:31:44,647
I have really enjoyed this conversation.
590
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:46,347
Steffy Smith: Same.
591
00:31:46,387 --> 00:31:51,107
And I'm really glad I got to, to come on
and we made our time differences work.
592
00:31:51,817 --> 00:31:52,297
Katherine Grant: Yes.
593
00:31:52,887 --> 00:31:53,437
That's it for this week.
594
00:31:54,107 --> 00:31:58,287
Check out the show notes where I put links
for my guests, myself, and the podcast.
595
00:31:59,247 --> 00:32:00,877
Until next week, happy reading.