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If that interests you, please hit the thumbs up and
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subscribe to the channel. Hello, Denise. Hello, Dark Side. I
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wanted to talk about Patrick Clancy... being an essential ingredient
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in Lindsay Clancy's innocence fraud campaign and particularly her civil suit,
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how Patrick Clancy and the Clancy family narrative is all
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over the civil suit of Lindsay Clancy. So when we
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talk about a civil suit, so there's the criminal case, right?
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That's the state against Lindsay Clancy. This is Lindsay Clancy
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looking for money because she feels that she was wronged
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by the providers that she sought out, the mental health
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providers that she sought out, and she neglected to take
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the advice of any of them or even the medication.
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We saw in court bottles of medication that were pretty
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much full, or had a few pills taken out of them.
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We don't know if Lindsay Clancy ever took those pills.
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If she threw them over her shoulder, threw it in
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the toilet, we don't know if she ever took those
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pills because when she was in the hospital, and I'll
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get to her crime in a second, very little medication
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was found in her system of this kind of psychiatric
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medication that both Patrick Clancy and Lindsay Clancy say was
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wildly inappropriate for what they say is her newly diagnosed
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bipolar one disorder, which strangely having no signs of bipolar
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one ever in her life, she just developed after her
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third child, Kalen. Kalen, excuse me. There's a Kalen in
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my orbit. So I often make that mistake. Bear with me.
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So if you don't know, if you've been living under
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a rock, Lindsay Clancy was living in Duxbury, Massachusetts with
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her husband, then husband, Patrick Clancy, on January 24th, 2023,
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when she sent out her husband, Patrick Clancy, to fetch
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dinner and medication for their daughter, Cora, age five. They
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also had a middle son, Dawson, age three, and a
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newborn baby, Callan, age eight months. So after she sent
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Patrick Clancy out to get food, and she had already
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timed exactly how long it would take, she methodically took
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her children to the basement of her Duxbury, Massachusetts home,
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took exercise bands and wrapped them around each of the
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child's necks and strangled them, a process that would have
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taken anywhere between four and seven minutes to kill her children,
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after which she found a very dull knife and made
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superficial wounds to her neck and wrist before sliding out
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the second-story bedroom window of that same home. She did
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not anticipate the cold January ground and is in a wheelchair,
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paralyzed from, I've read both the sternum and the waist down.
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So depending on who's reporting, she's either paralyzed from the
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sternum or the waist down. That may have been the
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injury that caused everyone to say that she suffered enough
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for the murder of her children. And by everyone I say,
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I mean, The majority of the public who supports Lindsay Clancy,
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I believe, believes that she was mentally ill because who
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else would jump out, slide out a window? And there
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was evidence we saw in the criminal case that she
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was holding out onto the window below and trying to
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brace her fall. So the theory that the prosecution went
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with during the criminal trial was that Lindsay Clancy's real
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motivation for this crime was not to murder her children,
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but to end it all for herself. And she was
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such a control freak that she had to murder her
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children because she didn't want anyone else to take care
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of them. But we saw her gratitude list and her affirmations.
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They were put on the screen by the prosecution, never
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remarked upon in the criminal trial. And her affirmations were,
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I love my kids, which is a clear replacement for
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I hate my kids.
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The troubling thought you replace with
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a positive new thought. And of course, we saw in the,
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her gratitude was all being grateful for Patrick Clancy taking
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these kids that she hated away from her, her mother
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jumping to help at a moment's notice. So I wanted
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to look at the civil case of Lindsay Clancy and
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show you how much it relies on Patrick Clancy's own words.
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So if you don't know, Patrick Clancy had a GoFundMe
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started for him days after the murder of Cora Dawson
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and Callan. And he immediately asked the public to forgive
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Lindsay Clancy. And then he most recently went on 60
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Minutes and said things like, I think mental illness has
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this ability to be tragically deceptive, as if mental illness
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has a personality all of its own, as if someone
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could be overtaken by, by this evil mental illness just
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roaming around. And it changes your morality. It changes your values, apparently,
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this mental illness. I've never seen this kind of mental illness,
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but okay. I think I have to ask the question,
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is it Lindsay Clancy who really feels is tragically deceptive?
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Or is it Patrick Clancy himself who's tragically deceptive? Was
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this a marriage of two tragically deceptive people? Then he
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goes on and says, I saw headlines that said, you know,
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killer mom and baby murderer, monster, and none of them
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were accurate. Well, monster is a more subjective take, right?
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I'd agree with that assessment, but many others... see Lindsay
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Clancy as a victim. I am not one of those
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people that sees killers as victims, but okay. I saw
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headlines that said, you know, killer mom and baby murder.
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That's technically exactly correct. What does he mean that's not accurate?
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That's absolutely accurate. even if you want to take Patrick
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Clancy's position that she was so ill and we all
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have to forgive her, what do we have to forgive
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her for? The fact that she murdered her three children, right?
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It can happen to anyone. And P.S., I
don't feel,
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I'm not going to forgive Lindsay Clancy for murdering her
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three children. And I think that Cora Dawson and Callan
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have really been let down by both the prosecution in
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the wimpy way that they tried this case, the poor
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way that they tried this case. I think they've been
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let down by Patrick Clancy, who immediately went and joined
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forces with his baby-killing, soon-to-be ex-wife. And interestingly, he didn't
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seek out partners of baby killers that wanted the maximum
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punishment for their child's murderer. It can happen to anyone.
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So he was asked about postpartum illness, and he's asserting
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here that men can have postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression
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that leads men to kill. So I guess Chris Watts, anyone?
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It can happen to anyone. I've met with so many
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other victims of people who had the disease, and fathers
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who have become victim to disease and lost children. Like,
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they just lost them. It's not that they murdered their children,
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and he considers those people victims. The child murderers victims. Okay,
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so I just want to show you this GoFundMe, just
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how much it raised.
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Here it is.
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$ 1, 075, 411.
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And the link is in the description of this episode
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if you want to take a look at it. He
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describes his children, and then he goes on. I want
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to share some thoughts about Lindsay. She's recently been betrayed
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largely by people who have never met her and never
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knew who the real Lindsay was. Again, tragically deceptive. Didn't
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know who the real Lindsay Clancy was. Could he be
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talking about himself? Or does he know who the real
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Lindsay Clancy is? And is he just like her? And
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has he joined forces with to be tragically deceptive himself.
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It's really hard to decipher in this case. Our marriage
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was wonderful and diametrically grew stronger as her condition rapidly worsened.
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And we'll get to that condition in a second.
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took as much pride in being her husband as I
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did in being a father and felt persistently lucky to
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have her in my life. So it's a kind of
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nagging luck. I still remember the very moment I first
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laid eyes on her and can recall how overcome I
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was with the kind of love at first sight you
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only see in the movies. You only see it in
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the movies, guys. It really didn't take long before I
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was certain I wanted to marry her. We said I
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love you to each other multiple times daily as if
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it were a reflex. So romantic, isn't it? That's just
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like your knee flying up at the doctors. Multiple times
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a day. Just a reflex. We habitually, this was their habit,
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started every morning with a passionate hug. Again, I'll say
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what I always say about this, which is I don't
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know how you can have a habitual passionate hug. The
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fact that it's a habit negates its passion, yielding a
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sigh of relief like we had each received the perfect medicine.
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If too much time passed without a hug, she'd look
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at me and ask, did you forget? We mutually understood
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the reality that people can have bad days, but we
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stuck to the rule that when one of us got lost,
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The other was there to bring them home. Well, what
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happened when Lindsay Clancy decided to murder her children? She
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sent you out and she sent you away from the home.
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She didn't bring you into the home. So once again,
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I'll read that again. But we stuck to the rule
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that when one of us got lost, the other was
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always there to bring them home. Always. She loved being
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a nurse, but nothing matched her intense love for our kids.
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The kids that she murdered, she had intense love for.
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She showed that love by choosing an exercise band for
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each child, wrapping it around their neck. She says she
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brought Dawson down first. She described Dawson as one of
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most difficult human beings she's ever encountered. I think she said,
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that's my words, not exactly hers, but that's the essence
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of it in an online post. She brought Dawson down first,
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but when she was asked where the other kids were
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when she was taking Dawson to the basement, she strangely
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had amnesia, couldn't remember. She couldn't remember everything else about
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except where the other children were, which leads me to
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believe that she took all the children down together and
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enjoyed the fear that she instilled in one child by
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making the children watch as she murdered their siblings. Otherwise,
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I don't understand why she wouldn't know where the children
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were and their proximity when she, I think she has
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crystal clear memory of her crime. She said to Patrick
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Clancy that it was like a dream. Not a nightmare,
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a dream. So she enjoys dreaming, thinking about her murder
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of her children. She loved being a nurse, but nothing
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matched her intense love for her kids and dedication to
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being a mother. I mean, this is so offensive to
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me to describe a mother as being dedicated to the
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kids and And we've seen other killer moms all described
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like this. Her passion taught me how to be a
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better father.
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Really?
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How did that happen? So let's get into Lindsay Clancy's
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Little Miss Peachy. My wife was a needy checklist in
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my life, right? While I was writing a million posts
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on Reddit, I was very involved with fatherhood and my
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marriage and my habitually passionate marriage.
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All right.
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So before we get into Lindsay Clancy's lawyer has just
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spoken out recently. This is her civil lawyer, not Kevin Reddington.
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This is her civil lawyer, Rosemary Scappaccio. This is from
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Lindsay Lucky Strike, Lindsay Linzer. I believe this is her.
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And the link to this tweet is linked in this
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episode's description if you want to take a look for yourself.
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So take a
listen to how Rosemary Scappaccio, Lindsay Clancy's
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civil lawyer, describes her current housing in a mental health
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facility and how she wants to end it all because
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she can't live without the kids she murdered.
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She's been at this facility for over three years now.
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What has her life been like for the last three years?
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So she currently, and since she got there the first
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day that they transferred her to the hospital in Tewksbury,
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she's had what they call a one-on-one situation In other words,
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they can't leave her alone because they're concerned that she's
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going to kill herself. And so, you know, it's a
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state hospital. They don't have a ton of funding. And
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they've had her on a one-on-one suicide watch for over
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three years.
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So is she suicidal right now?
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She is. She is.
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She doesn't want to be here. She wants to be
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with her children.
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Maybe if she wanted to be with her children, she
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shouldn't have farmed out. The parenting to other people. If
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she wanted to be with her children, maybe she should
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have stayed at the best mental health facility in the country,
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McLean's Hospital. Instead of checking herself out early to get
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ready and attend Cora's birthday party, which she complains in
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the civil suit she was mentally unwell for, what kind
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of mother would want to be around you? four and
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five-year-olds at a birthday party when they're mentally unwell? Wouldn't the,
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if she was such a dedicated mother, wouldn't the well-being
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of her children come before herself? Wouldn't she know she'd
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have to get herself well so that she could be there,
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be a good mother? Why is she running out of
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McLean's hospital, which she is suing? Patrick Clancy isn't suing it.
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So they both have these civil lawsuits. And the only
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thing on the line in civil lawsuits is who's going
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to pay.
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Right?
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Patrick Clancy's seeking money, a money judgment, and so is
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Lindsay Clancy. And in Lindsay Clancy's civil suit, Patrick Clancy's
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mother is quoted. Patrick Clancy is quoted. It's all their
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subjective narrative of what was going on. And What I
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hope to get into in the next upcoming episodes is
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looking at the providers and seeing what kind of help
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Lindsay Clancy really got. From my memory of watching the
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criminal case, she got better help than 99.9% of us.
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If that's bad help, give me some bad help. I
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don't have my provider's. checking in on me, making sure
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that I made so-and-so date with X provider. Okay. Back
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to Rosemary Scarpaccio. She says, Lindsay Clancy desperately wants to
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be with her children.
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She is.
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She doesn't want to be here.
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The children she murdered.
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She wants to be with her children. And so she
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has to live every day with the understanding that she
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hurt her children. And sometimes I don't know how she
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gets out of bed in the morning, but she manages
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to get through the day, and she manages to be
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able to sit through the day.
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Right?
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She doesn't know how she gets out of bed in
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the morning because she's so bereft from her own actions.
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Give me a break. If she's so upset about the
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loss of her children, why isn't she pleading guilty? Why
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is she suing everyone who tried to help her and
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bent over backwards to help her? Why is she suing
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all the providers that she didn't listen to and wouldn't
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take any of the medication prescribed zigzagging from provider to provider,
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looking up symptoms. Remember, Lindsay Clancy was a labor and
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delivery nurse. This is her arena. Medications, postpartum depression. So
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if you want to fake something, it's really good to
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pick something that's in your wheelhouse.
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Trial in the way in which she did. But she's
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on a suicide watch. She's still on a suicide watch.
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And if given the opportunity, I have no doubt in
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my mind at all that she would take her own life.
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Oh, she would take her own life.
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Really?
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But she won't plead guilty. Instead, she retracted. So the
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first trial.
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She essentially conceded that she did it, but she said
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she did it because she was mentally unwell. Then we
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saw a hearing and Kevin Reddington, her innocence fraudster, in
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my opinion, defense lawyer, said, oh no, we never conceded
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that she did it. And they are crowdfunding ideas, meaning
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they're picking up ideas from TikTok. They tried to have
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a witness come in from TikTok during the trial, didn't work,
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but They're getting this idea that Patrick Clancy might have
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done it and then pushed her out the second story window.
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I mean, if you're going to try to hurt your wife,
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what a dumb way to do it, but okay. So
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getting into... Getting into.
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Lindsay Clancy's civil suit. So you can see who she's
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suing here. She's suing Jennifer Tufts, Aliyah Goodheart, M.D., Dr.
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Jobetta M. Diaz, Rebecca Gelata, and Aster Mental Health, Inc.
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These are all the systems. McLean Hospital. That's the hospital
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that Girl Interrupted was based on, that the author went to.
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A lot of famous people have been treated there. It
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is world-renowned. So they go through all the jurisdictions, and
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then they go to facts about Lindsay Clancy was raised
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in Connecticut. She had great grades. She had a nine-year
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tenure as a labor and delivery nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital,
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demonstrated notable professional competence and personal fulfillment. She was passionate
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about nursing. There's that passion again. She married Patrick Clancy
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in December 2016. They had three children, Cora on Christmas
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Eve 2017, dawson on september 30th 2019 and callan baby
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callan he was born may 26 2022 as described by
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patrick clancy before lindsey became ill she was dedicated to
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being a mom even over dedicated see guys she was
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too good a mom she worked twice as hard as
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most how does she know that she worked twice as
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hard as most How did she figure that out, that
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she was working twice as hard as most as a mom?
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She rarely took a break to rest. Lindsay loved our
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children and never took her frustrations out on the kids.
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She remained as affectionate with the kids as always until
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she decided to strangle them. Lindsay's mother-in-law, so that was
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Patrick Clancy's narrative. Did everybody get that? that before Lindsay
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became ill, she worked twice as hard. She was just
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like the most incredible mom ever until the medication came
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in and changed her morality, changed her attitude towards her
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kids totally. When have we ever seen that happen? I
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do believe mental illness can change your behavior, but show
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me where it can change your morality. Show me how
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mental illness can turn a loving mother into a murderous
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mother who can strangle her kids for four to seven minutes.
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Any time she could have, especially in the beginning of
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strangling them, it's a very personal and aggressive way, up-close
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way to murder. It's usually thought to be someone related
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or known to the victim when we see strangulations. Not always,
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but often. Lindsay's mother. Okay, so now we have another Clancy.
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Susan Clancy. According to Patrick Clancy, his parents just are
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terrible drinkers. That's what he's writing on Reddit. Testified in
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grand jury proceedings that she loved everything about Lindsay. She
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was fun-loving, doting wife and mother. She loved her kids,
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and she was a nurturing mother who smiled all the time.
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So it's very interesting that both Patrick Clancy told investigators
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that he got along great with his wife, that they
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told each other they loved each other about 10 times
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a day, that they had these habitual hugs every morning,
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that they said, I love you as a reflex. So
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it's always these things that like tangible things. Well, I
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know she loved me because she told me she loved
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me often. And then we had these hugs. We knew
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Lindsay was a nurturing, fun-loving, doting wife and mother who
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loved her kids because she smiled all the time. But
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what about the times when she was really stressed out
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and struggling? What happened there? Lindsay's sister, Alison Olga, described
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Lindsay as the kind of person who cares deeply for
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the people she loves. She shows up for the celebrations.
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and writes handwritten notes to show her love and appreciation.
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Or maybe she writes handwritten notes because she can't really
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feel love and she has to fake it. And it's
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better to fake it in a note than fake it
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in person. She's also there in times of need and
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finds just the right words to provide comfort and support.
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Or does she echo hollow platitudes? to comfort and support people.
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Lindsay consistent. Lindsay, see now we're on a first name basis,
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not Ms. Clancy. We're all on a first name basis.
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Thanks to this civil suit with baby killer, Lindsay Clancy.
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Lindsay Clancy consistently conveyed profound affection for her children and
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her husband. She has never previously engaged in any form
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of physical harm towards her children.
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Really?
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Really? Because I... happened to remember this testimony from the trial.
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And this is Christopher Clancy, Patrick Clancy's father. And he
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talks about a Thanksgiving holiday where he witnessed some behavior
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from Lindsay Clancy in regards to Callan, who again, she
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described as one of the most difficult humans she'd ever
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encountered on social media. That's her three-year-old. Dawson was the
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middle child. Take a listen to Christopher Clancy regarding this
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Thanksgiving holiday. Yes, I did.
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And can you describe that interaction, please?
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She was getting a little frustrated. Dawson was being a
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little silly, and she was trying to get him to
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sit down. And she was just a little bit frustrated
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with him, and I noticed it. So I got up
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to help her.
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How frustrated was she? She was so frustrated that you
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noted it. But because he's on the Clancy, we're going
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to get a lot of money. It's not enough to
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get a million seventy five and GoFundMe money. he'd already
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taken out life insurance on the children to put them
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to rest. He said he needed the funds to bury
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the children. He also traveled the world alone. went all over,
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I believe, with some of that GoFundMe money, which I
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find a very odd action to want to travel the
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world after your three children are murdered. It's more of
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an action you see someone do maybe after a divorce.
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He did divorce Lindsay Clancy. And Lindsay Clancy, when she
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was in the hospital, one of the first things she
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did was get Patrick Clancy removed as her Emergency contact.
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So she knew the marriage was over. But what did, what,
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he says it was nothing crazy. Let's take a listen.
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You saw her getting frustrated with him. Did you see
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her do something to get him seated?
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She took him by the arm to get him seated.
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It wasn't anything crazy. She took him by the arm.
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I think she grabbed his arm very harshly and pulled
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him to his seat. Wasn't anything crazy. There is an
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admission in the negative. It was crazy. I noticed it.
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It was aggressive. That's my take. What's your take on that?
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And if I were the prosecution, I believe Christopher Clancy
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is the one most likely to break in the Clancy family.
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He saw stuff. He knows. They all saw stuff. They
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all know. When the story is contradicts everything we know
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about human behavior and life uh and it's it's a
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fairy tale they wanted they're putting out it was like
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we you know patrick
clancy's writing it was like love
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at first sight it was it was that you only
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see in the movies it was so amazing she was
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twice as good a mother as anyone she's so dedicated
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she was so amazing until that medication didn't get in
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her system or did get in her system or she
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didn't get the help she needed? Which is it? And
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I thought it was particularly interesting when Patrick Clancy testified
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regarding Lindsay Clancy telling him, lying to him and saying,
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I'm thinking about going on Zoloft. And notice that he
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has no reaction to the fact that this was a
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total lie and that she already had the Zoloft. And
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then it goes into how he was asked to sleep
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in the basement because she wasn't sleeping, according to Lindsay Clancy.
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And then he's asked, did you ever see her not sleeping? Oh, no, no, no.
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I never saw her having trouble sleeping. But I slept
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there two nights and then she took over.
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When you were at that wedding, do you recall having
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a conversation with Lindsay about medication? Yes. What did she
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say to you?
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We were walking downtown and she said, I think I'm
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going to start taking Zoloft.
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And did she tell you why she wanted to start
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taking Zoloft?
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She said, I think it's.
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Really going to help with my anxiety and with going back.
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Now she's blaming Zoloft for throwing her into a manic
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state due to her newly discovered bipolar one. LOL.
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I mean, okay.
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Just take a listen to this testimony.
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And did she tell you how she was going to
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go about getting Zoloft?
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Yeah. I, I, um, I asked her, how are you
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going to get Zoloft? It's a prescription.
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And she said, you know, usually just ask the doctor
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and they'll give it to you.
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Right.
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I'm a nurse. They know what I, they know that
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this is my arena.
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I just ask for a prescription and I get it.
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They just give it to you. And now I'm going
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to go seek out care providers and they're going to
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bend over backwards to help me and I'm going to
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bamboozle them and I'm not going to listen to anything
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they say. I'm going to be seeing two providers at once.
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I won't be taking the medication. But then I'm going
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to kill my kids and say they should have known.
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It's their fault. Not my husband, who I told, according
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to her, that she was thinking of harming the kids.
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Not her mother. They didn't raise an alarm. Patrick Clancy
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should be suing himself if he wants to sue anyone.
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They tell you, that she was going to see a psychiatrist?
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Yeah, I believe so.
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And when she did that, did she tell you who
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she was going to see? No. Did you eventually learn
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the name of the person who she went to see?
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Months later, yeah.
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And who was that?
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Jennifer Tufts.
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And did Lindsay tell you when she started seeing Dr.
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Jennifer Tufts?
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No.
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Did you learn or strike that? Did Lindsay tell you
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when she received the medication and when she started it?
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No.
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I mean, I should correct that. It's not exactly.
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Well, let me just ask a question first. When did
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00:35:50.809 --> 00:35:54.300
you have a conversation with Lindsay about the medication she
480
00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:54.659
was on?
481
00:35:55.469 --> 00:35:55.949
Eventually.
482
00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:56.179
Yeah.
483
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.840
But I didn't know the start date. Okay.
484
00:35:58.460 --> 00:36:02.579
And so, When did this conversation take place, this eventual conversation?
485
00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:06.019
Probably the end of October.
486
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:06.119
Okay.
487
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:10.300
And at that point, what did Lindsay tell you about
488
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.590
the medication and how she was taking it?
489
00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:17.949
I don't remember exactly, but I learned that she was
490
00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:26.110
taking the Zoloft, and I don't remember really too
much
491
00:36:26.769 --> 00:36:30.050
about it after that. She was just taking it and
492
00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:31.190
we were seeing how it went.
493
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:39.289
And did you notice any changes in her physically during
494
00:36:39.329 --> 00:36:41.550
that time frame that she was on it and you
495
00:36:41.570 --> 00:36:42.230
weren't aware she.
496
00:36:42.150 --> 00:36:42.539
Was on it?
497
00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:46.550
At the time, no, I don't think I did.
498
00:36:48.329 --> 00:36:52.429
And did you notice any changes in her emotionally during
499
00:36:52.469 --> 00:36:54.849
that time when she was on it but you weren't
500
00:36:54.889 --> 00:36:55.650
aware she was on it?
501
00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.070
Um, yeah, uh, she wasn't really improving.
502
00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:03.849
She just kind of seems, um, to be gradually becoming more,
503
00:37:04.690 --> 00:37:05.829
more in like a depressed state.
504
00:37:06.889 --> 00:37:10.079
Right. She just started complaining about new symptoms to me
505
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.599
all the time. New symptoms that she was quiet. She
506
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:20.659
was stressed out. She was really struggling, but how we
507
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:28.179
don't know. According to her, she couldn't even talk at
508
00:37:28.340 --> 00:37:41.530
Cora's birthday party. Patrick described that she had manic behavior
509
00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:44.030
for multiple days after Dawson's birth.
510
00:37:46.929 --> 00:37:47.409
Oh, wow.
511
00:37:47.929 --> 00:37:52.690
After her second pregnancy, anxiety emerged approximately two months postpartum.
512
00:37:53.250 --> 00:37:57.190
Although Lindsay was offered Zoloft by a psychiatrist, this is
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00:37:57.250 --> 00:38:01.960
her civil suit, she declined due to concerns about breastfeeding.
514
00:38:02.019 --> 00:38:06.940
Her symptoms resolved through exercise, healthy diet, and meditation, and
515
00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:13.429
several therapy sessions. Strangely, it didn't work with Callan. Remember
516
00:38:13.449 --> 00:38:18.570
she was doing the Beachbody multi-level marketing.
517
00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:19.889
Thing?
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00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:27.789
Her symptoms resolved that these postpartum, prior postpartum episodes. And
519
00:38:27.809 --> 00:38:31.550
I mean, it goes even crazy. It just gets after
520
00:38:31.610 --> 00:38:36.289
increasing the Zoloft dose from 25 to 50. Then it
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00:38:36.309 --> 00:38:41.750
goes into Prozac and McLean's. Everyone's to blame except Lindsay Clancy.
522
00:38:43.769 --> 00:38:47.900
But let's go to, but listen to his reaction. Like,
523
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:51.349
was that a lie? Yes, it was a lie. But
524
00:38:51.369 --> 00:38:54.969
she was really struggling. I'm never going to stray from
525
00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:58.130
this narrative because this is the narrative to bring me
526
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.179
the big bucks.
527
00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:05.019
And how was that manifesting? What were you noticing?
528
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.119
It was just small things.
529
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.639
Nothing's bringing my children back, but I can still make
530
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:13.389
another million from their murder.
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00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:18.090
I was planning a trip with Cora to San Francisco
532
00:39:18.190 --> 00:39:23.840
and she was nervous about us going. And, um, I
533
00:39:25.179 --> 00:39:30.760
remember we went to a Halloween event and, um, just
534
00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:32.980
leading up to it I remember she was it just
535
00:39:33.019 --> 00:39:34.440
kind of seemed like she didn't want to go for
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00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:35.139
some reason.
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00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:39.099
Okay wow so if I don't want to if I'm
538
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:46.090
I'm a nervous traveler does that mean I'm really struggling
539
00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:50.639
I mean I haven't wanted to go to certain parties.
540
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:58.119
Does that mean I'm struggling with undiagnosed bipolar one, postpartum psychosis,
541
00:39:58.179 --> 00:40:01.909
postpartum depression? What is it? It's hard to keep track.
542
00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:06.250
It's just not well, not Lindsay's fault. So if we
543
00:40:06.309 --> 00:40:12.320
had like a wheel, like a wheel of fortune, is
544
00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:18.960
it postpartum psychosis? Whose fault is it? blame the postpartum
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00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.559
psychosis the voice she only heard once and never to
546
00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:27.420
be heard again although we get into her civil suit
547
00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:33.210
talks about these hallucinations that were never discussed during the
548
00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:37.829
criminal trial but this voice told her that it was
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00:40:37.869 --> 00:40:42.800
her last chance to murder her children this voice she
550
00:40:42.889 --> 00:40:45.039
never she had no relationship with this voice she didn't
551
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:52.579
know who it was Could have been someone calling from
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00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:59.070
some voice from a mental health facility. Crazy, crazy voice.
553
00:41:00.449 --> 00:41:02.530
But she's going to listen to it. And it's the
554
00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:06.630
last chance. Last chances are usually connected with good things.
555
00:41:07.429 --> 00:41:11.309
Last chance to save at a sale. Last chance to
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00:41:11.369 --> 00:41:17.289
save your marriage. Last chance. Not something repulsive. Last chance
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00:41:17.329 --> 00:41:18.250
to kill your kids.
558
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:18.969
Great.
559
00:41:18.989 --> 00:41:19.380
Great.
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00:41:20.539 --> 00:41:24.400
You mean if I don't have to do anything, you
561
00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:26.860
won't bother me anymore if I don't murder my kids?
562
00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:27.739
Great.
563
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:33.090
Why couldn't Lindsay Clancy answer like that?
564
00:41:38.010 --> 00:41:43.260
Now, do you recall
learning that she had actually obtained
565
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.280
the prescription the day before she told you she was
566
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:47.659
going to.
567
00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:50.059
Ask for the prescription? I did later learn that, yeah.
568
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:50.199
Okay.
569
00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:54.510
So she's telling you at the wedding that she is
570
00:41:54.550 --> 00:41:56.570
going to ask to take this medication and going to
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00:41:56.610 --> 00:41:58.690
see a psychiatrist to get on that medication, but she
572
00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:01.090
actually already had the prescription. Is that correct?
573
00:42:01.650 --> 00:42:01.929
Correct.
574
00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:03.510
I don't think she started taking it yet, but she
575
00:42:03.530 --> 00:42:03.949
already had it.
576
00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:04.510
Okay.
577
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:11.739
So she lied. But look at his face. The real
578
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:17.400
anger is reserved for the prosecution. We know that Patrick
579
00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:24.190
Clancy had written on Reddit, If he's a witness in
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00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:28.989
a case, can he call out the prosecution's lies? He
581
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:32.210
was like a hostile witness in this case. And it
582
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.679
was really like he was testifying for the defense.
583
00:42:41.099 --> 00:42:48.539
And did Lindsay tell you how long she took the
584
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:49.340
medication for?
585
00:42:51.969 --> 00:42:52.570
She may have.
586
00:42:53.269 --> 00:42:57.010
Um, I don't remember the exact timeframe. I just remember
587
00:42:57.070 --> 00:42:58.789
she took it for a period of time and then
588
00:42:59.769 --> 00:43:02.769
her sleep started to suffer. So she stopped taking it.
589
00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:05.820
Oh, wow.
590
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.420
It's almost like she's making things up and zigzagging and
591
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.760
making up new symptoms and reactions. Everything reacts badly for
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00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.219
Lindsay Clancy. You notice nothing works.
593
00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:24.360
And did she tell you whether or not she spoke
594
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.699
to her provider, her doctor, about the troubles she was having?
595
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.710
I believe so, yeah.
596
00:43:30.829 --> 00:43:35.250
And did she tell you, did Lindsay tell you that
597
00:43:35.590 --> 00:43:38.550
she was advised to double the dose of the Zoloft?
598
00:43:39.989 --> 00:43:44.440
She may have. I don't remember. Page 31.
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00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.400
I thought this was the love of your life that
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00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.440
you only... have this kind of love, see this kind
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00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.820
of love in movies.
602
00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:57.800
Yeah, apparently she did.
603
00:43:57.820 --> 00:43:57.980
Yeah.
604
00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.099
I guess she did, yeah.
605
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:21.440
So now we're going to get into her lack of sleep.
606
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.480
She just announces that she can't sleep. Did you ever
607
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.219
see Lindsay Clancy not being able to sleep?
608
00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:27.619
No.
609
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.059
But he's going to move down to the basement anyway
610
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.260
with the baby monitor for Corin Dawson because she's such
611
00:44:38.300 --> 00:44:38.840
a dedicated mother.
612
00:44:38.860 --> 00:44:42.230
Did you notice any changes in her sleep during that
613
00:44:42.289 --> 00:44:44.389
time when she was on the medication but you weren't
614
00:44:44.409 --> 00:44:45.210
aware she was on it?
615
00:44:47.409 --> 00:44:48.150
Eventually, yeah.
616
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:49.619
When was that?
617
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.579
I don't remember the exact dates.
618
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.440
But she just, you know, one night she said, do
619
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:01.590
you mind? She started it by saying, I'm not mad
620
00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:04.610
or anything, but do you mind sleeping in the basement.
621
00:45:05.769 --> 00:45:07.969
And letting me just sleep in our room with Callan?
622
00:45:08.130 --> 00:45:09.989
And then you can take the monitors down in the basement,
623
00:45:10.030 --> 00:45:13.670
and if Cora and Dawson get up, you can get
624
00:45:13.710 --> 00:45:14.110
up with them.
625
00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:18.510
So there's Lindsay Clancy working twice as hard as an editor.
626
00:45:19.409 --> 00:45:23.150
Most mothers, right? Farming off the care of her children
627
00:45:23.190 --> 00:45:30.789
to her husband. You take the baby monitors. I don't
628
00:45:30.809 --> 00:45:34.090
want to be bothered. I don't want to be woken up.
629
00:45:34.989 --> 00:45:37.590
I don't want to do any mothering. And remember, that's
630
00:45:37.630 --> 00:45:40.699
what she was most grateful for. When Patrick Clancy takes
631
00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:46.059
the big kids, she liked the babies. They couldn't defy
632
00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:47.099
her yet.
633
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:53.300
She said, I've just been having a lot of trouble
634
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:58.760
sleeping and I'm hoping that like if there's less in
635
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.920
and out, then there'll be less disruption.
636
00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.480
Had you noticed prior to her telling you this that
637
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.130
she was up a lot or having trouble sleeping, like
638
00:46:08.190 --> 00:46:09.369
physically seeing her awake?
639
00:46:10.750 --> 00:46:12.150
No, not that I recall.
640
00:46:12.690 --> 00:46:14.630
And did you in fact start sleeping in the basement
641
00:46:14.670 --> 00:46:15.530
for a period of time?
642
00:46:16.050 --> 00:46:17.510
I think I did it for like two nights and
643
00:46:17.550 --> 00:46:19.349
then she actually went down in the basement.
644
00:46:19.989 --> 00:46:21.969
Okay, so then you went back up
to your bedroom
645
00:46:21.989 --> 00:46:22.849
to sleep, is that correct?
646
00:46:22.889 --> 00:46:23.110
Yeah.
647
00:46:23.570 --> 00:46:26.099
And how long did Lindsay sleep in the basement for
648
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:26.619
after that?
649
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.019
Maybe a couple weeks.
650
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.679
And so during that time frame, was she telling you
651
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:35.460
that she was still having trouble sleeping?
652
00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:40.570
Yes. Right, but you never saw it, right? Listen to
653
00:46:40.690 --> 00:46:48.090
Attorney Sprague's. Jennifer Sprague's questions here.
654
00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:50.820
You weren't actually down there watching her sleep. You're getting
655
00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:52.360
this information from her, correct?
656
00:46:52.659 --> 00:46:52.960
Correct.
657
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:02.219
So why wasn't the prosecution's theory, the real, I believe
658
00:47:02.260 --> 00:47:06.170
the accurate theory of this case, so Lindsay Clancy wanted
659
00:47:06.210 --> 00:47:10.909
to murder her kids. She gave up her nursing license already.
660
00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:15.110
Like it's nothing. She hated her job. She hated her marriage.
661
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.869
And she plotted out, she knew the Andrea Yates case,
662
00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:29.670
and she plotted out this madness, madness, faux feigned, faux
663
00:47:30.489 --> 00:47:39.429
fraudulent madness to give herself an alibi. Because I don't
664
00:47:39.489 --> 00:47:43.949
believe Lindsay Clancy hates being in a mental health facility.
665
00:47:44.849 --> 00:47:48.849
This is her arena. This is where she's comfortable in hospitals.
666
00:47:49.210 --> 00:47:51.659
She knows how to get over. She knows how to manipulate.
667
00:47:52.010 --> 00:47:58.099
She knows the right things to say. But I will
668
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:03.400
be continuing. This is the first part in the series.
669
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.610
Who helped Lindsay Clancy? I'm going to be looking at
670
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:12.710
the civil case and looking at the particular claims in
671
00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:18.030
that case and comparing it and contrasting it against the
672
00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:21.070
testimony of the providers that we saw in the criminal
673
00:48:21.110 --> 00:48:27.269
case that ended, spoiler alert, that criminal case ended in
674
00:48:27.289 --> 00:48:32.610
a mistrial with 11 jurors willing to acquit Lindsay Clancy
675
00:48:34.809 --> 00:48:38.090
on grounds that she was not guilty by reason of
676
00:48:38.170 --> 00:48:44.269
insanity and one lone juror who has the opinion that
677
00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:50.570
I have Said she's guilty. Doesn't matter if she says
678
00:48:50.630 --> 00:48:54.929
she's struggling. We're all struggling. And we don't murder our kids.
679
00:48:55.710 --> 00:49:00.940
So that is what I have for today, guys. Please
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hit the thumbs up. It really helps with the algorithm.
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you back here at 6 p.m. Eastern very soon.
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Mic check, Roberta strides through the static haze. True crime, Gotham,
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where the shadows play their plays. Frauds unfold when a
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spotlight beams. Fact-focused queen busting propaganda schemes. Glass shatter, lies
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echoes through the streets.
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Standing for victims, giving voice their beats. NYC polls, truth
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sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the anti-fraud light. Thank you.
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hard task warrior dissecting satan defense twisted innocence claims breaking
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pretense gotham's truth seeker cuts clean with the blade facts
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in the forefront no justice gets swayed cold facts drip
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heavy real talk unfurls cracking cases open like oysters with
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pearls innocence gimmicks crumble to dust in the wind for
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victims of creed.
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Justice till the end.
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Headphones blazing, she drops heavy artillery. Narratives twisted, neat blunt
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objects civility. Roberta got receipts that unravel the ploy. Exposing
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the lies these fraudsters deploy.
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Glass shatters lies, echoes.
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Through the streets. Standing for victims, giving voice their beats.
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NYC post, truth sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the
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anti-fraud light.
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Thank you.