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Speaker 1: Wow, fantasy freaks and geeks. What's up? You're listening to the NFL Fantasy Live podcast. James Co here with you. We got my guy M G. Marcus Grant in the building. What's going on? Where's the sun? We started June gloom early here, well, I mean John starts in like twelve hours hand. It's not that it's been gloomy for the last couple of days. This is like the Black Friday sales starting on Thursday at six and I'm against that too. A little bit of drizzling here. If I were, if I actually were running for president, part of my platform would be you could not advertise for Christmas until actually after Thanksgiving. That's not bad. That's why I would vote for you on that. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I've seen Christmas stuff in a target in September. It's like they bypassed Halloween hand the Thanksgiving. I'm all about celebrating the holidays in order. That's good. They're all very good holidays. They should all be agree with that. I agree with that, except Valentine's Day, which was a It's a scam. It's a scam. Okay, we got the what skin from Wisconsin, All scale are what's up? Well? I was thinking that your interest sounds so smooth that it would be great to transition into some type of sponsorship like you're listening in the NFL Fantasy Live Podcast presented by presented by No One. But instead we're here to serve up some hot holiday takes on the order in which they should be promoted at stores and which ones are scams and not to see Maverick on half of the danger Zone tag team. We got Adam Rank, what's going on? What's happening? So? Am I not allowed to be excited for a movie because like, well, Wonder Woman's coming out before so I can't. I can't start thinking about episode eight? Or can you like both things? And you know what, if I want you know what, I don't know. This might be a little bit of a spoiler. Alerk. First of all, you're you are a job is busy around the holidays, so sometimes it's nice to pick off some some Christmas gifts a little bit early. I'm sorry, I'm not I'm not cutting out, you know what? The things because say you're saying your Christmas gifts for people are like Christmas wreaths and decoration. They might be like kind of a suboptimal judge me. I want to tell me when I can celebrate holidays. Your houses look a little sparse. Here's a wreath for somebody. I get upset. I get upset because our neighbors sometimes don't have enough holiday You also don't strike me as the guy that decorates your house. Have you not seen our rank? No? Have not? Godd Like dude, you go crazy on our Instagram will show you like there's lights from our house to the neighbor's house and back and forth. We actually give lights for our neighbors because they're not They're right, you're ruining it. Stop stop having like these these like these empty spots in our neighborhood really hit we really hit the soft spot here. I want Nasad to know the deep underbelly of Adam Raake. I did not realize that you were such a Christmas holiday decorations junkie. Not only that, I also do I do have Christmas gifts for people. I will be uh, but you know, but they're usually for the nieces and nephews, Like, why can't they be Halloween gifts? Because we usually don't do gifts for Halloween, but one of my nieces, he has a birthday in April. It's passed and I saw something at Disneyland. I'm like, Tasha would like this, so I bought it and it's uh sitting in the closet. Now she'll get it into December. Fair enough enough Holiday chattery. Here, We've got a great show lined up for you, the podcast listener. Today, we're gonna be breaking down the A f C West, the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Broncos, and of course the l A Chargers. We're gonna round out with round of daily desk, but we start the show as always with your top headlines, the camera highlights in the world of sports, breaking, breaking news, breaking, continue to follow breakings, kids, has your Wife. We'll start in Washington, d C. Just a year removed from being a hot sleeper, Matt Jones all of a sudden finds himself on the outs in Washington. Jones is skipping O T A S and reportedly wants to be released or traded. It's rumored that Washington is shopping Matt Jones. Jones, the starter to start the year in sixteen, got injured, lost the job to Fat Rob Kelly. Then the team drafted som J. P. Ryan to go along with Kelly and the pass catching specialist Chris Thompson Alex skillhar I'll start with you, is there a landing spot for Matt Jones anywhere? What does it mean for the Washingt backfield? I mean, he wasn't gonna factor into it anyways, So if there is a landing spot out for they're out there for good for him. Isn't it crazy how fast it moves? I mean yes and no, Like Jones, Jones kind of rise was a little bit puzzling to me. I mean, first when he got drafted in the third round or whatever, never thought he was going to make it that high in the draft because what he did at Florida, And then like even he had those couple of good games, but I thought even the tape that he put out here and his efficiency and stuff, and then the fumbles were all rather troublesome. So like, I don't think it's that crazy. I mean, it's not like Jones went from having a Jordan Howard type season to now being on the chopping block. He had an okay run of a few games, mired in a lot of troubles and now it's finding his way out the door. By the way, m j D came out with a column giving us his take on all these veteran running back moves. We're talking about Marshawn Lynch to Oakland. YadA, YadA, YadA. Remember, uh, Maurice Jones Drew was a noted fantasy enthusiast as well as being an absolute beast. M j D one of the guys on he's a he's okay, Yes, so he clarified that he's still currently a fantasy So, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. No, but I just want to point out the fact that he he wasn't a fantasy enthusiast once he got on the show, you know what I mean. He's been a long time guy playing in fantasy for I mean forever, which is
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great, which is it? But he was one of those first star players really to advertise the fact that he was so into fantasy football. That's so it's good, all right. So he wrote a column you can find out on NFL dot com. Has he written a column before? Does anyone know? Fantasy column? Yeah? He sent us in some stuff. I mean, I think I think he pops in every now and again with stuff for Ali bun Parade's original content team. All right, so he wrote a column for NFL dot com. He talks about all these veteran running back moves. We'll get to a few. I'll let you read a few, but just a couple that I wanted to hit. How about la Garrett Blunt. He's projecting that like he Blunt in Philadelphia can run between eleven and twelve hundred yards okay, in twelve to fifteen touchdowns. That's that's an aggressive touchdowns. The touchdowns seem a little aggressive. That's okay. Even then, I think all of it is probably a little aggressive. But that's the thing. That's the running back mentality is that m j D won't listen to reason and when you tell him, like dude, he's not going there and he's not gonna do that, Like bro, he's he's and you know, they it's like running back like they always think that they overestimate not only themselves, but how good all their contemporaries are as well. Like that guy's like he'll go and I'm like, it's just not He's just not gonna get the opportunity to do that. They I should have said that the yards seemed more aggressive because I I could see a scenario where he ends up getting touched. Well, did they get a lot of a lot of opportunity? But that's then you're looking at a guy who has been pretty touchdown dependent, expecting him to go in there and gets It's a risk. The thing, it seemed cool with the Patriots because he knew that offense was going to be explosive. But even then you were kind of rolling the dice, and I wonder, you wonder, you know, if Rob Gronkowski wasn't hurt for a long time, like would he have gotten as many red zone opportunities? And then I look at the Eagles and I'm like, well, who's going to be the guy who's when they get near the goal line? Like, who is the other person outside of outside of Zach Ernst at the at the end of the season, Al Sean stop it in the sixth come on, believe in al Sean? Why not? I wanted to And he never really produced like he was supposed to. Okay, alright, fine. He also was projecting Danny Woodhead. He says, Danny Woodhead, I figure you guys get a kick out of this one, Danny Woodhead. He says it's gonna be Baltimore's new Ray Rice. Four fifty yards rushing, five hundred receiving, so total, seven touchdowns. Danny Woodhead in Baltimore, good projections. Aggressive think the rejection is fine, but that's Ray Rice never had a season like that. He always had a lot more production. So like, I don't I don't get the Ray Rice comparison, but I think Danny Woodhead, I mean, that's kind of his his vein as he'll get you know, eight d to a thousand total yards and find his me into the end zone
a handful of times. All Right, there you go. You guys excited about Danny Woodhead in Baltimore. Of course, how could you not be? How could you not be? Terence West is there? Uh, that's I kind of like Terence West in that situation. Mike Woodhead is fine. I think that San Diego found a really nice rhythm with him in a way to utilize him. I'm not sure that Baltimore is going to do the same. It's not like if Mike McCoy had moved their Wait, Mike mcgoy didn't go there, right, No, Mike went back to Denver. Yes, so I'm not expecting so funny. Um, I'm not expecting him to have that kind of It's it's just it's a dangerous game to be like, well if he had this here, yeah, then that same production is gonna have Like That's that's not the way it always works. So I'm I'm excited to be because I think he's going to help fill the role avoided by Kyle us Chick who left. And he had forty nine targets there last year. I think he had fifty some of the year before even more. He's they like to throw to their backs in Baltimore. Joe Flacco has a history of doing that with Ray Rice. I mean last year Terence West that over forty targets. So did Kenneth Dixon. That's the thing. It's like Terence West can catch the ball as well. Kenny Dixon comes back. It wasn't. It was never like Woodhead was the only bat catching passes in San Diego and stuff too. He was he literally was sorry. Every I wonder too if they'll utilize them, you know. And we're seeing this movement right of versatile running backs being moved into the slot. I wonder if they'll do that in Baltimore with him, well, because they don't really have a lot of pass catchers there. When they don't have I don't feel like they without Steve Smith, they don't have one of those designated guys that you would expect to run on the slot like Wallace Pairman. They can do a little bit of it there, but what head would be a nice mismatch with how quick he is in the short areas. That's what makes it at least a little bit more interesting for me if I would spend a late round flyer on Danil. Other other question to ask yourself, and and this is sort of an unknown is I mean we saw it didn't spend a last year, come back and have a decent season. Only had the two touchdowns, but seven weren't they both in one game over seven hundred yards receiving, had a hundred and twenty targets. Um, you wonder does he start to see more red zone targets to this year? Okay, that's an interesting thought. Dennis Pitta Man talk about a guy coming off the scrap heap man. So there you go. All right, let's break down the a f C West. We'll start with the Chiefs. They went twelve and four last year. We'll start in their backfield. Spencer Where is the starter, we believe, but there are some serious rumblings that rookie Kareem Hunt could challenge there. As a result, Where has some pretty volatile value Right now per Fantasy Pros, he's ranked anywhere between seven and one hundred and ten. That is a wide margin there, Marcus, Where you got Spencer where? I mean, I think what we saw at the Spencer where last year is kind of what we're going to get. Um, it's just for me, he's still a young guy. He's still a young guy. Just for me. The Chief's offense does nothing to move the needle just in general. Um, I mean, it's just it's just bland. I do like the way Andy Reid uses his running back, So I guess there's that. Um. But you know, I mean, I think you'll see Spencer wear probably around nine or so yards, you know, if he can get you, you know, five or six touchdowns. I think that's that's kind of what you're looking for. I mean, I think, but I just don't know that there's much else they're available in what is a generally play it safe. Uh, you know, state conservative, just try not to lose the ballgame, sort of offensive the Chiefs, so not great upside, you're saying what Spencer wear is? That? Is that what I'm hearing? Pretty much? I mean I think he he is what he is at this point, and so you're if you're getting him as an RB two, um, great, enjoy it. I guess he probably I don't know. I guess in this New world era where I am just you know, just sad about the death of running backs, I guess he's I guess he's a fringe RB one now, but he fits your narrative, pal, Yeah, pretty much. The pretty much can you talk to me about Kareem Hunt other than I love him? That's what I'm and I know you love I'm talking to me about. I mean, look, he's gonna I think he will eventually surpass Shark Andrick West. I think it could happen even by week one or certainly earlier season. Look, man, I'm not I'm not putting a lot of stock into some of these OTA reports like whatever. We'll wait till we get the training camp to kind of put more stock into it. But I think, you know, certainly early in the season he can surpass Shark Andrick West. I don't. I don't think he's going to get Spencer weare just yet. But I love everything he does and I think he's a great fit for an Andy Reid offense. Tyreek Hill broke through big time last year. The wide receiver fifteen. The wide receiver fifteen last year. It's crazy. Two hundred sixty seven rush yards, five hundred and ninety three receiving yards. He had nine total scores. I feel like he had one more actually that I'm missing here. A specialty doesn't Yeah, it doesn't count. I think he had a couple of special team touchdowns, but those those don't count for a standard fantasy scoring. Okay, depend well, on our side, it doesn't. But I think on other sides it does. But most most, uh most of them don't count it in standard All right, there you go, double digit scores in seven of his final eleven weeks. He was actually pretty darn consistent all things considered, considering this guy was picked up off the waiver wire. By the way. For the record, he had three touchdowns on returns to puns, one on a kick Wow. Wow. Alex Kalhar one year wonder for Tyreek Hill or is he legit? No, I don't think he's the one year wonder at all. I thought it would. The Tavon Austin comparison was
interesting. Um, and you're speaking to Tavon Austin's twenty fifteen season where he was the wide receiver twenty five which prompted our very own Marcus Grant to write at heartfelt missive about why Tavon Austin could be a sleeper last year. I'm just I'm just painting the picture of Tvon Austin here. Um. But I think the big difference is that Hill was used a lot more as a rookie in Austin was a couple used in the league in fifteen as a traditional wide receiver than Austin was. In that season, Austin only played played about uh of his snaps out wide. They that's dropped since then. He only played like forty some Last year. Hill played of his snaps out wide as a rookie and almost and even though he played fewer than Austin, had almost as many yards, more touchdowns in a higher yards per catch working outside as a traditional wide receiver. On top of that, Austin had way more yards come from his rushing totals. That year, he had forty seven point nine percent of his Fantasy points came from rushing, only thirty came from Hill. This picture here, he's got. He's got some nice ability as a receiver out there. He can gain some separationals because he's freakishly fast. So I don't think he's the one hit wonder. I think right now he's being relatively appropriately valued kind of in that wide receiver three flex range because Maclin's coming back. He was just and it wasn't that one of the big storylines last year that Macklin was gone, and all of a sudden we saw Tyree killing murder. He was ravaged with injuries last year, was not effective at all, and Tyreek Hill came in. Travis Kelsey still there became a bigger focal point of the offense. And as Marcus said, this isn't and this isn't a unit that you know is like the Saints and it's going to pass it a bund to light up the scoreboard on a regular basis. So still got Alex Mean back there, so touchdowns could be harder to come by, but I think Hill would be the type of guy that could at least offer a safish yardage floor and have the potential for those like weak winning performances. If he's in your flex, I think you gotta feel pretty good about that. No, absolutely, yeah, I like him there Alright. Ask you a question about Tyreek Hill because this was something that was raised on Twitter because we both we're talking about Joe Joe Mixon not drafting him, and somebody tweeted us and they had a number of do you avoid? And I don't think he was trying to be a he wasn't trolling us, um, but he was asking do you not draft? He had Larry Fitzgerald in there, which I didn't get. I didn't get that either. I'm like one of the greatest guys in the league, Like I don't I don't know what how. I don't know how his name got into that mix, but Tyreek Kill definitely falls in there. Where do you do you pick him up? As Tyreek Hill? Also, you know I do not draft list. I mean the number one the number one thing for for Joe Mixon is there is unbelievable evidence and the video right, so you could say, oh, well, you know, how are you judging a gain of well, listen, man, I mean, if you're going into into the court of law and there is video of you doing something, it's game over, right, So you know, am I giving Tyreek Hill the benefit of the doubt? Not really? So, I mean, obviously there's some question marks there, but I mean, I gotta be honestly. It's not like I read his court report. You know what I'm saying. If the if the court report had pictures allah Greg Hardy, then yeah, I'm not touching Tyree Hill either. But I gotta be honest with you. I didn't do the research on Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hills passed. So that's kind of where I stand. And And like I said, if it's that egregious like Joe Mixon, I don't feel that he punched his pregnant girlfriend. Who Tyreek Hill is that, I don't. I mean, I think that was the alexation, But I don't, Like I said, did I do research into that. I have no idea. I didn't do it. I know that those charges are out there. I just didn't do, you know, my homework into Tyreek killed. That's all. So that's kind of where I stand. Look, if it was like I said, if it was a love Greg Hardy, yeah, man pictures or whatever, like and and like I said, maybe it's on me because I didn't read the court report. But I just didn't. So that's kind of where I stand. All right, we'll get back to fantasy. How about Travis Kelsey. He's widely regarded as the tight end two, ahead of Jordan Read, ahead of Greg Olsen, ranked in the forties. He was the tight end one last year, which always surprises me. By the way, when I look at that, I'm like, Travis Kelsey was the tight end one last year. He had four touchdowns total. Adam rank Well, a part of it is because the position nobody really was was there to step up in that void left by Rob Gronkowski. Jordan Read's battling injuries, the Panthers had kind of a down year, and Greg Olsen is getting a little bit older, and now as we move into two thousand seventeen, he's gonna be fighting players like Christian McCaffrey. I think Critis Samuel's gonna get a lot of designed plays for him, so his his value could also take a bit of a tumble. Kelsey, to me, seems like the safest and he got over a thousand receiving yards, which to me is huge, which it shows he's a huge part of the offense. The touchdowns, it's it's kind of a wild card because you would hope that you're tight end gets targeted a little bit more in the red zone and it's just not coming. But he's he's a he's a weird though. He's a weird mix because he's more he's more wide receiver than he is tight end. Like like I I would like Mike Evans somebody, a player like that fits into that mold of red zone target more than Travis Kelsey would or even like if you go back to Jimmy Graham during his heyday, like he was so big and tall you had to throw him the football when you got near the goal line. Kelsey is not that dude. And I I'm just saying this. I should have researched this, but I've been neck deep and some other stuff here at work, so I didn't. But I was, like, I
just have the perception that every one of Kelsey's four touchdowns was at catching run somehow, well one of them was. And this is and this is and it's very I think that one stands out to make sure it's an eight yard kitchen run. Yeah, that's what it was. It just feels like they're all coverage, broken coverage, eight yard score. He's an athletic dude, and he makes plays, but it doesn't seem like he he doesn't seem big enough to kind of work that to his advantage like a lot of other tight ends would do, like Jason Witten can somehow get open to provide context. He had seven targets inside the ten yard line, one of which was a touchdown. He had sixteen targets in the red zone, led the team uh three touchdowns inside the twenty. So of his of his four touchdowns, three of him inside one came inside the ten and the fourth was that he's breaking those because it's not like Alex Smith can throw twenty yards. How dare you? Yeah? He still he's still grumbling and making a that's a good point. Um, I just think at that value in the forties, and you guys can tell me if I'm wrong, Marcus and Alex, but I just feel like that's too high of I'm not even saying that he's not necessarily going to be the tight end too I just think in the forties, to take a tight end there in the forties, that's tough for me, but you're taking it. But you're taking a tight end that you know you can count on week after week, which he was the t he was the t one. You're someone him being a top three tight end right now. I mean he had yard games last year. It's also been pretty consistent to two years prior. I think I think this was a taste of like, I would you be surprised if Travis Kelsey, as talented as he is ended up with like a thousand yards and eight touchdowns next year, if he broke a few more actually targeted to be honestly, I wouldn't. But here's the thing though, here's the tricky part from me. I think that there's gonna be four or five guys in that eight hundred to a thousand yard range that also pull in anywhere between you know, sixty downs, So relative value wise, I just I just don't see it. Yeah, I mean, it's a little rich for my blood, but it's it's also the ceiling. Like I mean, Greg Olsen has been a top like what three ranked tight end for the last several years, He's a guy that only ever gets a thousand yards and six touchdowns too, So like, I mean, it's it's safety, but with a ceiling, Like, who do you think who is the higher ceiling this year? Hammer greg Olsen would be Kelsey? Well, is it him or Jordan Read? Well? Yeah, Jordan read too, but Jordan Reads going in the sixties. So that's that's kind of where I would That's kind of where I would put Kelsey in that sixties. Right, Yeah, I'm not I'm not disagreeing. I'd rather take him lower, but I can understand people taking him this high. All right, There you go. The Raiders at twelve and four last year, obviously, they broke through in a big time away from a team standpoint. Quarterback Derek Carr was a nice find as well. Before his injury. We hope he comes back and is slinging it. Marshawn Lynch, though, was the big storyline in the off season. He had some town business to attend to playing for his hometown team. Now. Former Raider m J d projects Marshawn to go for eight fifty on the ground with ten touchdowns. Rank you down with that projection, you know, there he goes breaking the narrative that I had put out there for him that m JD was gonna overestimate what Marshawn Lynch was able to do. But I believe he's being a little conservative on his yards. Uh, he's getting double digit touchdowns. That's gonna happen. If Marshawn Lynch stays healthy and plays the majority of the year, He's getting double digit touchdowns. An offensive line is way too good, so he's gonna he's gonna hit those marks. I think that that Marshawn I think that's somebody I'm willing to go in on, and I know that older running backs take him before the fifth round. If I'm sitting there in the fourth round and I have a choice between Travis Kelsey and Marshawn Lynch, I'm taking Lynch absolutely. Like he's you can count on him to score touchdowns. It would almost be impossible for him not to to be healthy and to play most of the season. I'll say, listen, he's gonna He's a veteran, he'll probably get dinged up a gamer here, but a prolific Raiders offense that's gonna give him every opportunity once they get inside the tan yard line, and they're not gonna make that mistake. They're not gonna Pete Carroll him. They're not gonna try to get to fancy. They're going to Marshawn Lynch. True, alright, true, true. Amari Cooper Michael Crabtree separated, but just one fantasy point last year Crabs with one fifty total fantasy points. Coop with one nine a thousand yards and eight touchdowns for Michael Crabtree eleven fifty three and five touchdowns for Amari Cooper. Despite this, Amari being ranked and taken about two rounds before Michael Crabtree twenties versus the forties, we're seeing Crabtree go Marcus at those prices, Who do you prefer? Crabs all day, all day, all day long, all day. I mean, let's think about the first two years that a Marie Cooper has been in the NFL. He has been outperformed fantasy wise by Michael Crabtree. True. You know, Crabtree gets a lot of those tough catches. He seems to be the guy. Especially saw earlier in the year last year that he was the guy like Derek Carr trusted on Keith third downs. He got a lot of looks in the red Seth Roberts was more productive in the red zone last year than Mariy Cooper was. Um, you know. And now you add to the fact that Marshawn lynches here and he's going to be the guy who gets a lot of those short yarded goal line red zone carries, which makes it even harder for Mark Cooper to get those looks in the red zone. So right now, I look and I like a Mark Cooper. I think he's a talented player. But if we're if we're talking about value and for the price, I would rather have Michael Crabtree. Alex you you agree with that. I agree. We keep
spinning this narrative and hoping that a Mark Cooper could be you are used in the red zone, but the simple fact matter is he hasn't and he hasn't been very effective there over the last two years. Crabtree thirty four targets in the red zone, eight touchdowns. Cooper twenty targets in the red zone, two touchdowns. Seth Roberts targets in the red zone nine touchdown. More targets for Seth Roberts in the red zone than yeah than Cooper. And more touchdowns even than crab Trade. So I think, you know, when it comes out of this, Like I I understand like Mark Cooper was a big play specialist in college. We have seen him make big plays here, but being reliant on that is feels risky for a guy that we're drafting as like a low and you know, low end wide receiver one, high end wide receiver two. I'd much rather wait around and get Crabtree, you know, siering to probably like I could see Cooper hitting a few more of those big plays, and I was scaring Crabtree, but they're going to score close to the same amount of points, and I'd rather take the guy that's coming twenty picks later. Yeah, you're You're not wrong. And I think I think the valuation there for a MARII Cooper is housed a lot in the fact that he's younger, right, he's entering his third season. He's great, he's super talented, But I just think Crabtree makes more sense and fantasy. There you go. The Broncos nine and seven last year. C J. Anderson missed the final nine games after tearing his meniscus. Didn't look that great even when he was healthy, he was okay, he was okay, he wasn't bad, but he was just okay. Meanwhile, Maurice Jones Drew was projecting veteran Jamal Charles to go for eight five and ten touchdown spicy for dude who may not even be on the roster. He's fifty fifty to make the roster, going to Mike Cliss from there in nine News in Denver. But meanwhile m j D says Jamal Charles j C could go on the ground and ten touchdowns. Alex okay. I'm glad that he got back on the narrative, a minor, minors step into reality, and then he had to jump back onto the crazy Alex Keller are your thoughts on this entire backfield? I am still a c. J. Anderson fan. I disagree from me a little bit, and that he looked like just okay. Last year he played pretty well early. That offensive line was a disaster last maybe that's what it was. And there were a number of games. I was actually just looking this back up because I remember my my father angrily texting me expletives over frustrating games C. J. Anderson was having against the Chargers. It was not only Not only were the Broncoes struggling, but C. J. Anderson kept getting uh good runs called back on holes and stuff that weren't even he had like a couple ten yards is a fifteen yard I think he even had a touchdown that would have like won them the game in the fourth quarter called back on a penalty. So like all all those things and only his seven games could have helped him out. But I mean Booker didn't, you know, particularly apply himself very well when he was given the starting role tomorrow, Charles, he said old coming off a ton of injuries, like long shot to make the roster. I think Anderson is gonna fall in draft, and if he can fall to the right spot, it could be a nice value. Like he was on pace and hashtag on pace had become the new mark ingram for us. But he was on pace for about you know, twelve to thirt yard total yard season and close to ten touchdowns. You'll take that all day long, yes, Emmanuel Sanders d Marius Thomas. I gets sad thinking about these guys stuck there with Trevor Simon and or Paxton Lynch. Next year, DT had ten eighty three through the year five touchdowns. Emmanuel Sanders ten thirty two, receiving five touchdowns, just two points seven points separated the pair last year. Despite that, Demarrius Thomas is going around the fourth round and ten team standard leagues, Sanders is going around round six. I don't wreak your thoughts there. I really like the McCoy is going back there though, and I think that's gonna bring some stability whoever they're gonna end up going with. I think Trevor Simeon at times looked like a credible quarterback. They have to fix the offensive line. That really, that's the hardest thing is when you have a quarterback trying to learn on the job and get better and progress, that offensive line is not giving you time to get the receivers the football. It's not gonna work. So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I know, um, six, fourth round for DT is way too early. I mean, I would have to see how this shakes out. But I'm like, no, if I don't want anybody's in the best shape of his life. That's true. And Emmanuel Sanders in the six. Now you're starting to talk like, yeah, okay, I would rather go for that if I had to pick between the two, I think that targeting Samuel's Samuel Samuel Sanders standards. Man, I I got it. I've just made him one word. I like he's made it easier. Um. I would go with him in the sixth round because he's gonna be a much better value. But I do think I am am I wrong. I think Trevor Simeon can be pretty good. I think if you give him a chance. I think the issue ever since, I think the issues he may not get a chance. It may be in Paxton now he's no, it's not. I don't know why I'm saying that, but they think they spent the first round draft pick on Paxston Lynch. People forgetting that happens. Sometimes that happens. I mean, you gotta give him at least a chance. Now, I mean they don't even give him a chance. Maybe not this year. I mean it's well, you know, and you bring in an offensive coordinator and a head coach who do not have a tie to Paxton Lynch. I mean that's true. That's the one thing is that these guys can go in and say, you know what, I'm gonna pick the quarterback that I think is the best who's giving us the best opportunity to win. But neither one of these guys have any ties to him, And I think that lay would understand, like, look like we don't care, like I'm I think. I think the laws of Harry
Kubiacto is going to be disastrous. I do. He's been he's been so great working with quarterbacks, and now all of a sudden he's gone there they're learning a brand new system. I mean, it's a tough division. I just, oh, man, I don't know. I'm anticipating bad things for that Broncos offense this year. All right, the Chargers were five and eleven last year. Melvin Gordon was your RB eight. After much handeringing his rookie year, he actually played pretty well in his sophomore campaign on the ground four nineteen through the year, basically fourteen hundred total yards, twelve total touchdowns. He was a stats beast. But Marcus, let me ask you this, can he do it again? Because some of those efficiency metrics, man, they were scary. Just three point nine yards per carring. I mean, I guess I would be more worried if there was somebody who's going to take touches away from him. Um, you know, yeah, I know people I've seen it on Twitter that people are freaked out about the efficiency. One three point nine isn't awful, you know. I mean, I know everybody wants to be able to everybody wants to be above four. Right, but let me let's let's think about this real. Let's let's about this in reality, right, three point nine yards per carry, you run it three times, you got a first down. I like, you run the ball, But I'm just saying we're talking average. That's that's that's the freak out right, because it's the average is three point nine. But if you're talking about averaging three point nine yards every time you touch the ball, you run it three times, that's the first down. You keep on marching down the fields. The game plan, just run it every time. Hey, look, I've I've met high school coaches who thought were so you know, so there's nobody that's gonna come in and take touches from him. Maybe maybe the tin touchdowns, the tin Russian touchdowns may be tough. But what you're worried about Brandon Oliver Olivier best shape of his life. So yeah, I feel like you just made that up. By the way, Olivier like they're talking big about him, are they? Yeah, they're talking him up here in Los Angeles. I was about this. It is down in San Diego because that's when they're practice. They haven't had their their facility up and running it because they probably didn't think that through. Dude. I'm just thinking Melvin Gordon regression, okay, because Wikipedia defines regression as this Wisconsin running backs. I think on Melvin Gordon. Yes, he yes, the efficiency was bad last year, but his offensive line was man was like mangled and shuffled up. There was deficiency in the passing game because everybody was injured and Philip Rivers fell apart down the stretch. So you look at the fact that he's still almost put up a thousand yards, ten touchdowns, and just shy of four yards to carry in that disastrous situation. You come back now with a fully loaded offense that should have more scoring opportunity, that has a better correlation with like a running back success than quote unquote efficiency metrics. But isn't but that, But the efficiency metrics shows that he shouldn't have been as productive as he was, which means that those numbers especially they're gonna slide back down. It's like, because that's how oh like with baseball metrics, he always look at it like, well, this guy's got twelve home runs, but his metrics show that he's gonna regress, and then that you see in the second half of the season he has Well I know this because I used to have Mark Trumbo all the time and all my fantasy teams. I I would know. And that's why, like these guys are streaky and everything like that. And it could be a situation where Gordon outperformed. What does metrics tell you he should be performing and that he will go back to being the running back that he was as a rookie? I mean, which which one's which? Which metrics indicated that he shouldn't have been as successful though, I mean he saw seventy one opportunities in the red zone, Like they gave him the ball plenty there and he scored. He scored twelve times, but couldn't there are yards yards per carry? Isn't that indicative of future or negative fantasy sec But if he's not that effective as a runner, that means that he could be shut down in those red zone opportunities and now you're you're depending on him to reach that twelve touchdown mark that he probably just doesn't have the ability to get to. That's kind of where I would worry too. I don't know if he's gonna get those double digit touchdowns next year. Maybe maybe not. Double digit touchdowns is hard to repeat. But I mean, if we're saying that because he wasn't that effective, he's going to score less even though he wasn't effective and he still scored twelve touchdowns, I don't quite follow the logic in that in that sentence, why are you trying to take the few running backs we still But I mean, like, dude, it's gonna be a workhorse, Like, it's not gonna but he's outperforming what he's actually doing. That I think that's I think that's fair. I think that's why. I think that's the point, right that if you look at and that's why it's like why Aaron Rodgers, Okay, Aaron Rodgers was successful on four hail Mary's last year, So why doesn't he go back and do that every play? Why not? It's like, I don't know, he probably should, but it's like, because well, that's not always gonna work, and so Gordon was able to outperform his refing to one high variants play versus like running back and all these plays. I don't think that's a great and now there too, I think there are two different things. I don't know how you're I don't know other how else to explain it is that he's outperforming his metrics, which over the course of a career would mean that he's going to come back to the running back that he is. I mean, the NFL has prime examples. And if I would have thought this through enough, I would have gone through and looked them up. Of players who have one season where they outperform their numbers, you know where they outperform
what their metrics will tell you what they should be doing. And this was a This was a magical circumstance for Gordon to go out there and get double digit touchdowns and then going forward he's gonna go back to being an eight touchdown type of back. I'm not sitting here defending that he's going to get twelve every time. I just think like that's going to happen, Like he's gonna touch touchdowns and fluctuate. They are one. They are like the hardest thing to predict if I'm understanding correctly, though, Alex, what you what you are arguing though, is that his situation is likely to improve, which would help his metrics improve as well. We also don't know if this is an outlier his his rookie year. You know he was he was banged up. There were also a lot of things like he also looked significantly better even just how he ran, and he know he powered through last year. So I I just think it's foolish potential. Yeah, a little bit more health. So then James, who would you rather have? Yes, Melvin Gordon or j J. I J Well, that well, it depends where you're gonna have to draft him, because like Melvin Gordon is never don't they. I don't think there's similar But I mean, if we're worried about me, like j J. I had three two yard games last year, which completely throws everything out of whack. Will But I think the more the argument for Melvin Gordon should be would you rather have Melvin Gordon or Lashawn McCoy, Mike Evans, A J Green, Jordan Howard. I'd take Melvin Gordon a hundred out of a hundred times over Jordan Howard. I don't know Jordan Howard, b h L. I saw he slimmed down. Were excited. Give me the running back offense that's gonna score a lot of points, not the I was trying the one led by Mike Glennon slash Mitchell True. Yeah, yeah, I just I gave that silent pause because I had to think about that for a second. But you know what, his offensive Wait a minute, his offensive line is way better. He's gonna get more opportunity. Whose offensive line is the Bears, especially the interior, Yeah, where it really counts, although they're coming in band up too though we've got Josh Sitton is another year older and missed a bunch of games. Still long, still recovering. I don't know anyways, whatever, all right, let's move on. Let's talk whow we went down to crazy Belvin Gordon rabbit hole. Uh, it's because he's going in the first round. That's why, Like this is gonna be a Todd Gurley type of situation for Meldon. Wow, we need to write up, we need to write up. Let's make it. Okay, Adam, Mike is gonna get you this right up. I'm telling you what. Yes, that's right, you're get in line, the team gets a healthy Keenan Allen back theoretically anyways, you blow out his a c L last year. Uh, the Clemson big play receiver Mike Williams into the mix with Tyrrell Williams and Travis Benjamin Rank, tell us why you're so high on Mike Williams. I feel the Chargers are gonna have to throw the ball more than anything, and I still think that they have some concerns, especially with Keenan Allen, who's battled injuries throughout his entire career, and so at some point Mike Williams is going to be the go to He yeah, he he really is. And I I paused because you know, I don't want to get too locked up into what he was able to do at Clemson. But you see a guy out there and and I guess you could have said this about the Kwan Treadwell, like how good he looked, But god, Mike Williams just looks so great at Clemson. And I think that the Chargers taking him in that seventh spot when everybody was saying like there, you know, because people were giving me grief for saying that they were going to take Christian McCaffrey. But they're like, there's no way they're drafting defense. It's automatic and for them to have a serious need in the defensive secondary, and they still went with Mike Williams there. They might not believe in Keenan Allen. They might want to have a little bit of insurance. And Tyrell Williams was fine. He was good like he was. He was serviceable. But when you take a serviceable player like that and try to make him a number one receiver doesn't It doesn't always work, like Marvin Jones last year. So I think that if Mike Williams can come in, and I think having Keenan Allen there for as long as he could be on the field will only benefit him. And I think Travis Benjamin is a is a good fit for that offense to not necessarily the best fantasy fit, but I think Mike Williams can step in and be productive right away. I love what he does in conjunction with what Philip Rivers does too, right because Philip Rivers loves to sit back there and look for the big play, and Mike Williams is one of the best big play receivers out there. You know what I mean, And and he already has that chemistry with big body receivers all throughout his entire career, right, so he's such a perfect Chargers receiver, Like like I should have thought of that. I got enamored with the woodhead McCaffrey type thing. But you're like, oh, I see it now, Like that was a pretty good pick for that. Alex Galehard give me your take on Keenan Allen and Tyrrell Williams. I think I think you're right rank that, Uh, Mike Williams probably is a little bit of Keenan Allen insurance, like worst case scenario, if Alan's injuries continue to catch up with them, they have a new guy who can step in and be the number one. Best case scenario, Alan stays healthy and now they're just loaded at wide receiver to make make a Super Bowl run before Philip Rivers hangs him up. So I think Alan is still He's never gonna push the like absurd number of catch pace or whatever he was on before he got injured, especially with all these guys here now. But I think he's still a good pace for like a hundred something out something outrageous. But I still think he's gonna be a solid guy. He's probably gonna be Philip Rivers go to at least for now um, and he's appropriately valued in like the middle of the third round or wherever he's going because of his injuries. Asked for
Tyrell Williams, I think he's totally worth taking a late round stab at Like I was looking at his a DP current lee uh and where in mfl's twelve team leagues he's going in the ninth round. He and Mike Williams interestingly are going on average at pick one twelve and then pick one on Fantasy Football Calculator. Tyrrell's going uh four rounds later than Mike Williams. So because the nfls are typically a little more like sharp drafters than Fantasy Football Calculator later, which is a little more casual. So I think Williams is certainly worth a stab. Like I mean, we don't know Keenan Allen's health, we don't quite yet know how Mike Williams is going to transition to the NFL. It's worth the shot. Worst case scenario you caught him, best case scenario you might have like a matchup based flex guy and in games that figure to be shootouts and things like that. All right, There's also reports that Hunter Henry will be the quote main tight end next year, but that Antonio Gates will still be mixed in on third downs and in red zone situations. This sounds like a tight end by committee situation there in San Diego. I don't know. I know a lot of folks were very high on Hunter Henry going in. I think these reports, it's though, it makes me damp in at least the touchdown upside for Hunter Henry. And if we're talking about touchdown upside for a tight end, oh man, that makes it tough. Alright, we move on open floor real quick. Before at least San Diego I had accidentally had a separate year clicked. Uh Gordon had fifty eight opportunities in the red zone las year. I said I higher number before that. Alright, open floor. Give me a fancy storyline very quickly that I'm missing in the a f C West will start with you, MG, Mike got Marcus Grant. I mean, I think going back to Denver and their quarterback situation, I mean I think that that's going to be interesting there. I mean Simmey and obviously comes in as the incumbent. But the early scuttle butt out of Denver is that you know they're they're going to give Paxton Lynch every opportunity to try to be the starting quarterback this year. And I think if that changes the way the offense works, I think it it suddenly turns into Lynch seems to be a little bit more of a freewheeling guy, guy who's gonna, you know, try to make plays with his leg at least extend plays with his legs, get out of the pocket and go down field. So you know, the Broncos and I think, have been very adept at running that bubble screen, that wide receiver screen and letting guys like Sanders and Thomas take it the rest of the way. But this could be a thing where maybe you start to see those guys as more downfield threats, which we know they can be. If Lynch the sides, he wants to If Lynch ends up being the quarterback in the sides, he wants to just kind of air it out occasionally. Alex killhar storyline in the f C West we touched on briefly talking about Tyreek Hill, but the return of Jeremy Macklin if he is fully healthy, what's there we go? I didn't even didn't put that stupid of me. Wow, Uh. This is the guy that in four targets, eighty seven catches, over a thousand yards and eight touchdowns in this Alex Smith led offense. How is this gonna break down? With Travis Kelsey they finally started using him like a feature repon he should be last year? Is that going to change? Is your star Macklin and Hill gonna vulture each other? Is this offense suddenly gonna take flight and actually score more touchdowns with Alex Smith under center? That would be crazy, would be crazy. A lot of question marks, but we cannot forget about Jeremy Macklin. This is a good player who has commanded all out of volume in the past, and one injury ravage situation isn't likely to change that for good. Adam rank storyline in the f C West Philip Rivers being an undervalued fantasy quarterback. I think the good good calls all around here. People like every year, like the guy. Last year he was a little bit banged up and things kind of got away from them. But great to start the year though, Yeah he was he was crushing it. He was crushing it, but he but then he got crushed. Yes, and he's not going to do that again. I don't think he's going to be in situations because a lot of times he was pressing, he was trying to make plays, he was trying to see something that wasn't there. But I don't think that's gonna be a problem this year. I think with the bevy of wide receivers at his disposal, and I really do believe that Hunter Henry is gonna step up. How many how many touchdowns is Antonio Gates away from the record just a couple? It's not many? Might what three last year or something? Just get him his g D record already and then and then we can go back to Hunter Henry. Then it will be open that all right, there you go. All right, let's close out your show with around daily depths depth. All right, we'll start with MG Mike Got Marcus Grant, daily depps. I'm daily dapping whoever is running the r C Cola Twitter account because they have a Twitter account, believe it or not, right, I mean beautiful. I mean I don't think anybody we know about it now because of the tweet I don't think anybody drinks our C cola like outside of the state of Texas. But you know, hey, um, they've been coming for folks today. I mean it all started obviously there was the co fe fay you know trend last night after you know, the president you know, sent out a typo or a weird tweet or whatever. Uh and so does that look like every drunk tweet you ever? Pretty much that you ever that you ever sent, like, you know, you tweet and you pass out in the morning such a good tree or a text, and then you go to bed and you wake up and you've got you've got all these responses like I want to know, how in the how did that not get auto corrected? Who knows it was late? Who knows? So? So R C Cola made a joke like pretty much everybody else on Twitter about it. A couple of people tried to, you know, give them a hard time, at which point they responded back with a couple
of very snarky and outstanding memes. Um, I'm not gonna buy any R C Cola, Like, don't get it twisted. But whoever whoever was righting the account, like, kudos to you and I'm undapping all the O t A practice reports and all the O t A chatter that's on Twitter, and like this morning, when you got something else to do, man, come on, pointy of other things in this world going on right now that don't involve me going gaga over Kelvin Benjamin in shorts making a half assed one handed catch with nobody near him. Like, let's stop. You know, everybody is great on May thirty one. Everybody's going to have an amazing season except apparently Ryan Tannehill, who apparently stinks in practice right now. But like we're sitting here, everybody's going just nuts over these like little reports of teams in shells not really going full steam, and everybody's talking about how great everybody is. People are still stretching their legs. It's let's stop. Let's just stop these beat reporters. They need to work, man, they need to get some stop. What's the excuse to create some content? Excuse for the non beat reporters in fantasy Twitter that just is like eating up every single I don't stop it there addicts and their first hit of the year. Man, People, people stop taking an interest in things that pay us money. Yeah, how dare you? How dare you stop paying attention to football? Don't download fantasy am I say to say Alex galhar daily depths, uh daily undaps for me to all of the people, mostly men, uh men, who are up in arms over the few female only Wonder Women's screenings taking place across America during the opening weekend. Yes, there was a bunch. There was a bunch of bullets, and I'll believe that later outrage by cry baby man like this is an equality. It goes both ways. Shut the hell up and get over yourself. If you're upset over like one random female only Wonder Woman screening. She's an iconic feminist icon, one of the most iconic like super heroines in a predominantly male dominated on the writing, art and character side. Get over yourself. It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, and I cannot believe people are so up in arms about it. It is ridiculous. They are not banning you from seeing the movie they are doing. They are celebrating women with a few showings on opening night. Guess what, there's more than one theater in your city. It is one of the stupidest things I've seen in which is saying a lot because it's I'm getting more heated about it over here, So it's basically all I'm gonna say. But if you're listening to this podcast and you were upset or thought that was some in inequality or injustice, pause this podcast. Go sit outside and we think your life and your priorities and the and the person who is kind of one of the people who is the most but hurt responded that we should have a guy's only, guys only viewing of Star Wars. And this was the same guy who wanted to boycott Star Wars or Rogue one. Have the last guys only nineteen hundred approximately years not been enough for you? I guess what how about we get rid of the guys only committee to design our own healthcare? That would be useful. I could get rid of that. I guess. My question is how how out of it do you have to be? How much how little do you have to have going on in your life that a you would be upset by it and then be you would actually go and do something about it. There are think pieces written about people trying to like make come up and shoot protest this, or like buying tickets anyways and going to make a big stink like get get over yourself, go to a different theater. I don't know, crazing, get all fired up about a gift of Kelvin Benjamin making a one hand catch on the end. Please send Fiefe tweets. Like I said, I always wonder about that. I was wondering, like, you really have to have nothing else going on in your life that you would actually care that much to go and do something. How would this offend you either. It's just it's a simple and actress thing, empowering women and getting them together to celebrate something. People are weird, people are crazy. So I never I never blamed well, I do blame thoughts, but I mean, you know, you know it's hard to be the thought police. But man, I'll tell you what. If you're actually like mobilizing yourself and doing and getting all worked up, that is just come on now, come on be embarrassed. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Go go go go to the golf range go hang, I don't know, go crack a beer. Do so that's perfect golf. There we go like somebody somebody like gusta get it. I don't get it. I don't get it at all. I will daily dap the Huntington's Library in Pasadena. Have you guys been. I have. It's it's fantastic. It's amazing because it's it's a public gardens and uh yeah, it's But I've been to the one in Huntington Beach though that's not that's a different one. That's a different Huntington Library. It's not the same. And actually the name is like a double missnomer because it's the Huntington's Library. It's in San Marino, so it's not in Huntington's. Is a bunch of lies. But and it's really not a library either a library. I mean, it's like a walking museum that it's really cool. Anyways, I went there. I was expecting a library, and uh, I got whatever it is we're going to check out, like red Badge of Courage or something. Uh No, anyways, it's a copy of Fahrenheit fortow Man. By the way, they do have an exhibit there for a science fiction writer by the name of Octavia butler Um, And I gotta be honest, I wasn't totally I had heard the name of not that familiar with her work, but She's won so many awards in the science fiction uh industry, and and and this is the thing. Science fiction is an art dominated by male writers. This all ties in with what Alex saying, but uh, it's dominated by male writers. And not only that, is dominated by Caucasian male writers. This is an African American woman who was a best selling author in a genre dominated by you know, Caucasian male So,
um, this is crap. Where's the Caucasian I'm gonna get mad online and write a think they've got They've got this exhibit and uh, it's got some of you know, some samples of her work. But this is what really struck out to me. On the back of her spiral notebook. Okay, she was down on herself, and this is early in her career, so she would write inspirational things to herself. And on the back of this, on the back of this spiral bound notebook that she wrote her notes in, she wrote herself these inspirational lines, I shall be a best selling writer after imago. Each of my books will be on the best seller's list of the l A Times and New York Times, Uh, in the Washington Post, et cetera. My novels will go in onto the above list, whether publishers push them hard or not. And she underlined that whether I'm paid a high advance fee or not, whether I win another award or not, this is my life. I write best selling novels. And and to me, it's so inspirational seeing that stuff, because you could tell this is a moment in her life where she was down on herself and she's extremely talented, and she also understands the climate in which she writes in, which is the science fiction industry, which again doesn't see a lot of of of folks like her in this industry. So I don't know, man, I'll tweet out the link because you can see, you know, the notes that that she wrote for herself. She also wrote a bunch of different things about, um, you know, I will buy Uh this is by the way, this is very apropos for the time, but even back then. This is back and I think like nineteen like you know, nineteen eighty or something in nineteen seventy five or something. Right, Um, she wrote, Uh, I will help poor black youngsters go to college. I will hire a car whenever I want or need to. Uh. What else did she? Right? Here she wrote something about her mom. She wanted buy healthcare for herself and for her mom. Oh this is it. I will get the best of healthcare for my mother and myself. These were inspirational goals that she had set for herself. But man, I read this and I was like, holy hell, I gotta read some of this lady's books. Man, very inspirational. It's at the Huntington Library. If you're in the l A area, please go check it out. I'm gonna tweet out of link anyways of some of these notes that you can find online as well. All right, Adam, right, close us out. I am going to dap absolutely nothing because everything sucks. You're talking about you. You usually come in with five or seven or ten different things. Everything sucks because Mike Trout. It's like I feel like, this is how long is he for? It's long enough. I's gonna miss he supposed to miss six day weeks. That's a long time. That is a long time. That's pretty much this season. I mean, it's Trout, so he'll probably be back in two. But for most mortals like this is and you know what I look, so I just hate everything now, like nothing's fun and it's although and there's so many good things happening to me baseball wise, because I just realized today or excuse me, yesterday, the Dodgers are back in first place? Is it because the Dodgers are in first place? I literally, I don't. I know a lot of I don't know a lot of Angel fans hate the Dodgers. I'm like, I'm indifferent to them there, I don't go to their stadium. We don't know. Let's start out how I feel about the Angels, Like I don't hate them. I'm just kind of indifferent, like until I started different conferences, like it doesn't matter. Like it's like they run up on each other a few times a year, and I worked for the Dodgers and I was still indifferent to that. I but no, speaking of Dodgers, the Corona High Panthers will be a Dodger stadium on Friday night, playing for the c i F title, going up against we beat uh Phil Nevin's alma mater, El Dorado. Now we're going up against Lindsay Soto's alma mater, the Bull Toro. So she hasn't been around. I haven't seen her on Total Access, so I don't know. I believe she is probably preparing to have another child. I didn't know. She never told me personally, and I was never gonna ask never, never, never asked that question. Al Right, So there you go. Oh and I also went to cal State Fullerton. So I went to the top baseball high school in southern California. Okay, the top baseball college in southern California. If I had just im like, I'm sorry, that does states and have twelve national championships in baseball. Uh and the time that cal State Fullerton has existed as a Division one program, they have more World Series titles than us, including a College World Series title led by market since at the expense of us over them. Understand, I remember when you hit two bombs and got to save I remember while this is I have breaking news about all this baseball talk. Wat they're they're breaking down college baseball. I'm sorry, this is the Daily Depths. Sorry, we were talking about r C. Cole Is Twitter feed. And if you wouldn't have done it, I would have. And by the way, like La Chosa in Huntington Beach serves r C Cola and diet right, it all counts full circle. I thought this was random. It was not. But by the way, and then that means our all the Watters will be playing too. We are not knowing. That's why you went to Stanford Safety School. You didn't go to actual standard. So I apologize. I get confused. I get confused and was your Stanford guy? Have to and you know, we have to close the show out. That's why you're doing this right. You want to now we can't. All right, So that's the show. Just a hail storm at the end from Adam Reike for MG my God, Marcus Gurrant and the Wiskit from Wisconsin, Alex Glar, I'm James go. We're out.