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Hello, moms. When you have a podcast guest who is so multifaceted and versed
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on so many topics, the episode is surely packed with many applications for your life.
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Today's guest, Tamara Dever, will inspire you from book writing to hobbies to
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leaning in on God's plans for your future.
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Stay tuned for the Front Parking Spot podcast.
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Hello, moms. Welcome to the Front Parking Spot podcast. I am so glad you're here.
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I'm Jennifer Bosma, wife, mom, grandma, former teacher for 23 years,
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and now a Christian children's book author and your podcast host.
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Are you a faith-based mom trying to live out a Christian life for your family?
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Do you want to learn more ways that you can have power over your child's spiritual growth?
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Inside this podcast, you will find tried and true ideas to grow in your faith
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and be the best wife and mom you can be.
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So listen in as you're cleaning up, doing the drive, or matching that sock,
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and be encouraged to know that God has his front parking spot set aside for you.
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Hello, moms, and thank you for being here today on the From Parking Spot podcast.
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Today, I have Tamara Dever. She is an award-winning six-time author,
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book designer, and proud Gen Xer who never really left the 70s and 80s.
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She writes Gen X music-themed books, including the award-winning children's
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book, The Day We Found Yesterday, which is packed with more than 500 hidden 80s music references.
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By day, she runs TLC Book Design for 30 years, I'll add, where she spent more
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than 30 years, like we mentioned, helping authors turn their ideas into beautiful books.
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And she lives in Austin, Texas with her family. Thank you for being here, Tamara.
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Always such a pleasure, Jennifer. I love being here.
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Your story is so multifaceted, and I am so excited for us just to chat today
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with mamas that are listening about all that God has done in your life.
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And it's like an onion. It keeps unfolding.
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And isn't that something we all want to do? Well, introduce a little bit of
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yourself more than I read in your bio. And let's talk with our listeners about
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all the things God has done in your life. I love that onion.
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It is an onion. Our lives just unfold in ways when we let God lead,
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even honestly, when we don't even know God's leading us, man, alive when I look back.
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So yes, I've been a book designer for over 30 years. I'm an author coach as well.
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I had the great pleasure of working with you on your latest God is Three in One.
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And in addition to that, I love music. Love music.
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God has just given me that since I was little.
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So there's a whole nother podcast in that probably, but there's always music in my life.
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I grew up as a horse lover as well,
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goodness, I mean, I could tell you so many more things.
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You know, and you have been a lifesaver to me. And you are a strong Christian
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woman in your marketplace. And you speak out for the Lord.
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And what I love, Tamara, is you lean into Him. Like you always are.
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He is like your litmus test. Like you lean in and He directs.
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And tell us a little bit about even some of the things we were chatting about
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before, about how you do lean in when He throws the curveballs at you.
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Yeah, so I grew up Catholic and,
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kind of inadvertently walked away during college like a lot of people do.
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I just didn't go to church and whatnot. And in my probably late 20s,
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was led back to him and found out that being a Christ follower is a different
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journey than just calling yourself a Christian.
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And I loved that. My best friend led me back to Christ and taught me what being
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Christ follower really meant.
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And, of course, that changes everything. And it was a very gradual journey. It's still ongoing.
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Sanctification is always ongoing.
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But I've had this business for over 30 years and never wanted to have my own business.
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I don't like the business aspect of anything. I aspired to be a magazine designer
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and do magazine ads and all that glamorous stuff praise god I didn't get into
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that world because it's terrible.
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That is not my gifting my aunt wrote a book about ADHD when I was in college
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and asked me to do the cover that's the first book I've ever designed I had
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no idea what I was doing but I did it and a couple years later after,
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I graduated I was working for a magazine publisher.
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Mind you, not doing perfume ads like I thought, but small ads for a Madison,
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Wisconsin business magazine.
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So less glamorous, but I loved it. I loved it. And their parent company started doing books.
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Really cool story of how I got into that, but I'll spare you for right now and
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discovered there that books is what God wanted me to do.
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It just came naturally. I loved it. I'd been a reader my whole life, avidly.
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So he led me into freelancing book design.
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And one day the job I had disappeared and I had to make a choice.
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I could continue to do my freelance work or I could go work for somebody else.
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And the somebody else's didn't work out.
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I had a husband with a great job who said, hey, if you want to try to make a
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go of this, I'm good with that.
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So praise God for him. And I have never looked back. I still hate the business end of things.
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I will never embrace that. But I never want to leave this business.
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I love it. It's such a blessing.
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And you do a fantastic job. Like with the pivot with this last book with me.
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I mean, I have heard about you
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for years. And to actually get to work with you, you are the real deal.
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And I mean, that is just so cool because you leaned into what God had for you.
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And as you were talking about how when you were younger and so many moms listening,
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I think they can relate to this comment that you said, you know,
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they have religion or I'm a Christian, but they weren't a follower and they weren't a believer.
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But now, you know, we all know that having a relationship with the Lord,
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it's a daily minutia. It's the little things every day.
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So mamas, if you're in, if you're doing something right now,
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you feel you're a Christian. Oh yeah, I'm a Christian. You know,
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because it's a box you check on the application.
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There's a difference between being a believer and with religion,
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I mean, being a believer and having the relationship instead of just the religion.
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And I love that. So moms, I wanna encourage you in your faith with what Tamara
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just said too, that to lean into becoming a follower of Jesus. And that's awesome.
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Yes, so you are shaping, you are living your dream.
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How many times has God had you pivot your dream?
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Oh, a few times. And, you know, it's funny. You look back and you're like,
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wow, I didn't even realize God was doing this.
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You know, when he led me to start my own business, I didn't know it was him. I wasn't there yet.
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It's just he made everything else fall apart so that I could do this,
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which is beautiful. Sometimes that happens.
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But, you know, I've always been one to have hobbies as well I met my husband
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playing volleyball and then we eventually stopped that and I'm been a lifelong
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horse lover I had 27 got my first horse fun story,
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a few years later I sold that one and got a new one and so my hobby was riding and at that point I had,
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we we had a small child we had our first son and my husband gave me,
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every Saturday, go, go to the barn, do your thing.
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I've got, I've got bread. So it was such a gift that I could still continue
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to do that. And I, and I would have lost my sanity without having some kind of hobby.
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My job, I love my job so much would be lost without it, but I had to have something else.
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And seven years later, I had another. We had our second child.
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And shortly thereafter, my then horse went lame.
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And I kind of gave up riding. It was a very difficult time for me with that
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end of things. And I kind of really needed a new hobby.
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And I was with my daughter. She was probably seven by then or eight.
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I don't know. What is she now? Oh, she was 10. I'm really fast forwarding at 10 because I,
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we were at a strip mall and I pulled up to the stop sign and I looked up in
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front of me and there's a sign that said school of rock. I had never noticed it before.
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And out of my mouth, I heard myself say, wow, I wonder if they teach adults.
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And that was not a conscious thing right right out i heard myself and i was
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like oh my gosh oh i wonder if they do or went home looked them up booked a free lesson.
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And two weeks later i was a member of the adult band i was playing keyboard
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i grew up playing piano playing keyboard in a rock band is a different thing,
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it was such a god thing i've been doing it for over five years.
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I am the only Christian in my band.
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And sometimes I feel like I'm the only Christian in the entire school.
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And I have prayed over this. I'm like, God, I'm not playing Christian music.
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I'm playing music, some music that I don't even like, and some of it that I
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grew up with and I absolutely adore. I'm a huge 70s and 80s music fan.
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You know, why am I here? Are you sure this is where you want me?
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And He has kept me there, and he's given me opportunities to just stand strong
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as a Christian. And my bandmates know.
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They know where I stand. They know I pray for them.
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All kinds of good stuff. So I think having...
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Having a career is awesome. I think it's very important to have a hobby.
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My daughter actually joined the School of Rock for about a half a year,
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learned how to play guitar, loved it.
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She's on to other things. But to be able to show your kids, like,
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hey, it's important to be a mom, but it's also important to follow your dreams.
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This is a bucket list I never knew I had on my bucket list, And it's important
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to learn new things I'm not a risk taker.
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And at 52, I joined a band. Like, what is that?
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I love that you were open to that and see all the like the relationships you're
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meeting in the band, you know, and you're sharing the light.
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You're coming in. And when we come in as a Christian, you are shining the light to all around.
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And I think it's really important for moms to have their thing.
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And it's OK when their thing changes. Like you were into horses and now you're doing a band.
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And it is okay to pivot and to embrace the things that the Lord brings on your
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path. So that is really cool that you did that.
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And I love that you do, your book that you wrote, The Day We Found Yesterday is about the 70s and 80s.
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And we were just talking because I was just at the Earth, Wind & Fire concert
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this past weekend and we love that generation. And I'm with you because I'm an 80s kid too.
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Well, tell us a little bit about that component of your life because it's so
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interesting. So, moms, we're encouraging you right now to have a hobby and to
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embrace a hobby and to go as God changes.
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But tell us a little bit about your background and to do hobbies that you love,
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because the School of Rock thing goes with what you love. So tell us a little
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bit about that component of you.
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Oh, gosh, the whole 70s and 80s thing. You know, I graduated high school in
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87 and kind of never left.
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By the mid-90s, I didn't like the new music and just kept listening to my cassettes
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and CDs, and eventually it became a thing.
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If you could see my office, if you walked in here, you would walk right back
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into the 70s and 80s. It is like a museum.
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I tell everybody I can celebrate this because God gave me a fabulous childhood.
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It's it's I couldn't I wouldn't surround myself with it if it hadn't been such
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a blessing it takes you back there right it does absolutely you know to to the good old days,
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but really every day is wonderful even if even if it's not and,
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But the 70s and 80s, just something God kind of told me one day in church.
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I wasn't thinking about it at all. And he just said, listen, this is my gift. Use it.
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And I realized, like, really? You're going to gift me something I really,
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really love like this, and you're going to have me use it? So it's a platform.
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I've been on a lot of podcasts talking about 70s and 80s music.
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Many of those are are christian led by christian people i have met so i have
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so many friends now that are christian 80s music lovers,
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it's amazing and i get to share my book on those on those podcasts too and
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so the day we found yesterday does have all these fantastic visual easter eggs
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to 80s music, and the purpose really is to get generations connected by sharing stories.
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If you're reading this book,
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With, say, your grandchild, and you look at, you're going to notice some of
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these. There's a dove that's crying, and you start giggling.
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With your grandchild, it'd be like, what's so funny? Because what you read isn't
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funny right now. What's so funny? Oh, then you can tell them,
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when I was young, which often blows their mind already, because I don't think
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of you as being young, right?
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When I was young, there was a song called When Doves Cry.
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Now you're sharing just naturally sharing something about your past let's listen
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to it when we're done with the story so we listen to the story or to the song
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now you're sharing something and you're like oh and and the child hopefully you can,
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then you know what's a favorite song of yours oh would you and start sharing,
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what you wore when you were little and where you lived and what things were
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different and what things were the same because shared stories are the best stories of all.
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And kids love that. They love that conversation because this is tapping somewhere
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in their brain that they have no idea of because they just know their little world.
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So when you get to like share with your kids a different world and a different
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generation and you are creating a little legacy with them.
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And I love that you wrote your book because God gave you that idea and you you
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did it you know I mean that's huge to do that and the tie-ins and stuff yeah,
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well and let me tell you something else so I've always told our kids.
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The answer is always no unless you ask right you have to ask,
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and I took my own advice while I was working on this book I have a Christian
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illustrator as well she lives nearby so we had a ball doing this we graduated
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the same year in high school.
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Not from the same school anyway.
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But we started working on this and somehow I blame it on God.
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All of a sudden I thought, wouldn't it be cool if we had celebrities in the book?
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Like if you can see, and you can't just put them in. You have to have their
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permission to put their likeness in a book.
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I was like, I don't know any celebrities. How am I going to make this happen?
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But there are nine celebrities in this book.
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And they all said, yes, I would like to be in your book. Who are they?
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They said yes because I asked.
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Right, you asked. There's a whole ton of them that said no. And some of them
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I still like, oh, man, I wish they were in my book. Now, who said yes?
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The very first person who said yes is original MTV VJ, Martha Quinn.
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Okay, I remember her. Now, she, yes, she was the girl next door. Everybody loved her.
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She endorsed my book. She has two cameos in it. And she endorsed a previous book of mine.
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Lots of cool stories behind how I've gotten to know her so she was easy one
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to to get a love and say yes the first musician who said yes blew my mind Robert
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Plant lead singer from Led Zeppelin.
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I screamed when I got that email his publicist was so excited she loved it,
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because you asked oh my goodness and this goes with the front parking spot mentality
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you've got to ask keep going i love this yes so remember debbie gibson yes she's in my book um,
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and cory hart has always been one of my favorites and he is in my book wearing
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his sunglasses at night because why wouldn't he.
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So and there are several others all the all the original mtvbjs are there as
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having a reunion so it's very very fun.
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Honestly, I thought that was going to be one of my big selling points.
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And I learned that nobody understands that you have to have permission to put
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people in your book. So it's become a non-selling point. Wow.
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Yeah. Surprise. But you know what? That's how God works. And I just love that
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you asked. And when you get the mamas, when you get an idea,
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don't just let it sit here.
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Reach out. Launch. Why not? Why not say yes? You know, give it a try. Ask the questions.
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And another thing that's popping in my mind too for our listeners tamra is all
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the moms that are sitting there that have book ideas you know they're like oh
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i've never written a book and and i hear it all the time as an author like oh i've got a story,
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i've got a i've got this great idea for a book and you know what my first words
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are i'm like well then you need to sit and write it right,
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yes and because that's what you do you take these ideas that you know the moms
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out there are listening, I want to write a book on,
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let's talk, we talked a little bit about this before the show,
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but let's talk a little bit about that too, when that mom does have that book
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or that dream or that idea like you did.
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And tell us a little bit
about the thinking behind that.
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Yes. So when you're, we work with so many moms who had never anticipated writing
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a book, but now that they have a child, they're reading stories all the time and they realize either,
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that the story they want to read to their child doesn't exist. Right.
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Or maybe one of the stories has inspired a new story or a goddess just writing
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something through them.
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Write it down. That's my very first thing. Write it down. And if you don't,
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if you can't write, dictate it.
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Somehow get it out of you. Don't stop because your first thought is, who am I to write?
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Right. Or I have no idea how to publish.
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Don't let that stop you. Just write it. You might publish it this year.
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You might publish it 10 or 20 years from now. You never know.
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I've I've seen the gamut, right?
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But just write it down. And as you're writing it, read it to your kids.
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See what they think. Maybe they have ideas to help you finish writing it.
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Maybe you're writing a novel. You may be writing a memoir.
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Maybe you're writing about your struggles as a new mom. We all had them.
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So whatever it is, just start writing and don't worry about anything else as you write.
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Don't worry if you are a poor writer.
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Don't worry if you have no idea how to spell. If you don't know anything about
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punctuation, it doesn't matter. That's what God made editors for.
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And we praise God for editors.
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So just start and don't rush the writing process. When it comes to publishing, there's a timeline.
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When it comes to writing, there is no timeline.
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So just start it and don't worry and if you never finish it it's okay,
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Yeah. And that's what you do. You take you take authors to the finish line.
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And so, you know, before we as we wrap up, Tamara, tell us how they can find
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you and a little bit about what you do, because you have been a godsend to me.
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I'm at TLC Book Design. Oh, my goodness. Like, just huge. Because those mamas have ideas.
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And I always tell people, get a binder.
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Get an actual paper notebook that you can actually sit and write in.
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Because if you go to your computer, sometimes it
gets lost in cyberspace.
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But when you see that little notebook that's next to your office of just jotting
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down the stories, because my first book was 26 years from when I first wrote
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it to when it got published.
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Wow. I mean, 26 years. Growth mindset, right? Because when God gives you an idea, it doesn't leave.
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Yes. Come in and come in and come in. So tell us a little bit more how the listeners can find you.
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Okay. And I love that because the day we found yesterday is in my Trapper Keeper.
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No lie. I love it. Trapper Keeper.
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You've got to get it off the computer. Yes. I love it.
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Yes. So you can find me at tlcbookdesign.com. We also have a Facebook page.
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What we do for you is what you need. So we design covers.
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TLC Book Design offers cover design, interior design, editing,
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proofreading, printing assistance.
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I coach you through the whole self-publishing process because you can self-publish.
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It is a wonderful thing. So many people aspire to be traditionally published.
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And while that's not a terrible thing necessarily, it's not what most people should do.
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I coach you through your options and what looks like the best option for you,
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as a self-publisher you get to make you get to make decisions I know decision
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making sometimes is overwhelming but that's why you work with somebody like
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us to help you make those decisions I'm going to give you the facts and say this is,
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I might say this is what I would do if I were you I might say okay these are your facts pray over it,
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obviously you're going to pray through the whole process. We pray for our clients.
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We pray over their projects. When you are writing for Jesus,
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there is spiritual warfare.
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Whether you just start writing it and you never intend to publish or go through
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the publishing process, there will be spiritual warfare.
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I remind everybody, we see it on our end. We see it on our client's end.
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Sometimes it's minimal, like my garage door broke and then my fridge broke and
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then my computer died. And then you go, oh, there's something to this.
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And sometimes it's catastrophic. I mean, we have seen really,
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really pretty awful things, too.
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Not saying that to deter anybody with God lays this on you he will bring you
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through it and he certainly has done that for every single one of our clients
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regardless of the warfare it's been just such a testimony to see all this,
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so if you're not sure.
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Oh my goodness wow absolutely so yeah and if you're not sure you don't know
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what you're doing we I'll talk to you for free.
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You can go onto our contact page sign up for an intro chat and let's just chat
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about it I'll talk to you I'll let you know what it takes to publish,
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And you may decide, hey, I don't want to do this. You may decide,
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yeah, I actually can do this.
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But let's just chat. Oh, my goodness. I love this podcast so much because you have given me wings.
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And just your testimony and just you and your hobbies and the whole,
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I mean, we have connected in so many ways. And I just cannot sing your praises enough, Tamara.
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Thank you so much for being here on the Front Parking Spot podcast.
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Jennifer, it's such a blessing. And moms out there, don't be afraid to do your
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thing. Don't be afraid to hire a sitter for one day and go do something for you.
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It's okay. And it shows your children.
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It gives them, oh, how do I put this?
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It's a good example. It sets a good example for them that hobbies are important,
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that pouring into yourself in different ways is important, and that God made you to be multifaceted.
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And then it shows you're an open vessel to what He has.
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And when He brings something else to you, you know, just embrace it and give
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it a try and listen in and lean in. So, oh my goodness.
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Well, you have given Mamas wings today, my friend. Thank you.
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It's been a pleasure. You're welcome.
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Well, Mamas, thank you so much for,
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and review my show. This helps other moms tune in as well.
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I'd love to connect with you on Instagram at Front Parking Spot,
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on Facebook at Front Parking Spot Mom Community, or my website at jenniferbosma.com.
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Have an Ephesians 320 type of day, mamas, and be encouraged as you go for the
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front parking spot in your life today. God bless.