Transcripción completa de She Survived Her Execution: Christa Pike & The Death Penalty Debate

00:05:36.480 If you imagine what it sounds like when you open up a band-aid, that's what I heard on multiple occasions. 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.439 On top of that, you could hear the Velcro fastening. 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:44.800 What that was eventually is just her being strapped down to the gurney, as you could see when it came. 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.759 There was faint talking, continued paper rustling. 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.079 That got us to about 7.15. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:59.920 At that point, it was noted by the rest of my colleagues about how abnormally long this process was taking at 7.15. 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.319 From there, you could again hear the clanging of metal. 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.839 It sounded like they were rolling some sort of pan in and out. 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.720 At 726 is when we got the mic checked. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:12.800 One minute later, the curtain opened. 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.120 Krista Gilpike was laying down. 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.920 Her hair was that curly blondish red hair with a string laying down. 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.120 All you could see, the rest of her right arm was laid out. 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.839 You can't see her left arm from our vantage point. 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:33.040 Her right arm did have an IV in it, or at least that's where she was getting one dose of the medicine from in her right arm. 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:37.920 She made her statement, which has been recited for you already. 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:44.879 She and her spiritual advisors started to sing that's been outlined to you. 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:46.879 So, all right, so pause it real quick. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.480 Like, what is her spiritual whatever? 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.600 Like, she's the spiritual advisor I keep hearing about. 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.240 I I don't know what religion is she. 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.839 Um, so what while while you look that up real quick. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:03.920 So the the the article says she's what? 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.800 Um uh Buddhist. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:08.480 Of course she is. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:27.759 So the article says the first woman uh set to be put to death in Tennessee in over 200 years was given two doses of a lethal injection Wednesday evening, but remained alive as her botched execution descended into chaos and prompted the governor to demand an outside probe and issue an emergency pause on all executions for the remainder of the year. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.319 She was strapped to the gurney uh chamber just before 7:30, and the U.S. 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.839 Supreme Court overruled her stay of execution an hour earlier. 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:41.360 At 18, Pike murdered her classmate in a jealous fit in 1995. 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:48.160 She was injected with two syringes of the lethal drug, uh pentobarbital, and didn't die and could be heard snoring. 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:57.920 Ums Pike has not lost consciousness and is and still has a heartbeat and is and is audibly snoring, her attorneys wrote. 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:12.079 Um look, this whole thing is designed to pull at our heartstrings, like it's designed to make you wince at the death penalty. 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:22.720 And there's so many other like we we sanitized executions by doing lethal injections to begin with, and by doing so, we actually made them more barbaric. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:33.200 Made them more barbaric, but meanwhile, like the other angle of this is this is the way that Canada euthanizes people in their medical assistance and dying program. 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:45.840 So it's like they want us to feel horrible at how inhumane it is in a death penalty case, but they also want you to think that this is mercy in a euthanasia case. 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.120 It's like, and it's the same people arguing the same argument. 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:51.840 Is it is it merciful or is it torture? 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.000 I'm trying to understand. 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:59.840 But the whole but the whole thing just seems like theater to me and not genuine. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:00.799 Like, I I don't know. 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.600 I like this thing doesn't seem real. 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:05.519 The uh somebody even wrote it. 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.919 They said uh they said this whole thing is a scam to do away with the death penalty. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:17.039 Basically, the government and the church trying to permanently put the family of murder victims in the yep, yeah. 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.519 Um let's see. 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:22.559 Oh, sorry. 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:33.360 Uh the Vatican put people to death, and Pope signed off on it for centuries, even demanding returning heretics swear an oath that the state had the right to the ex to exact the death penalty among long-held traditions. 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.360 Um, yeah, this whole thing just seemed so fake to me. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.480 I I can't I can't get over it. 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:47.360 And then they re- they released later statements talking about how she's going to have this permanent damage. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.320 Um wouldn't be all that permanent if we just finished the job, guys. 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.120 That's what that's what kind of freak is so odd to me. 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.840 It's like she was rushed to the hospital for life-saving care. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.279 What do you mean? 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.039 She was there to die. 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.000 I I don't understand this whole thing. 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.919 It it just the whole thing seems bizarre to me. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:18.720 Um hang on, I want to find I might have it in my uh let me see. 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:24.799 So it so um uh he has here are they aren't finishing it. 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:34.480 If she doesn't

uh if she doesn't die from this, the state has to go through the whole process of scheduling another ex execution date. 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.200 So you're talking probably years out again. 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:48.879 So here's the thing the way they do modern executions, I'm not really in favor of with this whole waiting 30 years before the date gets set. 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.240 I I don't I don't understand that. 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:55.919 It's it's counterintuitive to the purpose of it. 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.799 Like in some ways, this girl was 18 when she did this. 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.039 At 50, you know, she's not even I don't know. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:11.120 It's like that should have been enacted within a year, the most. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:12.480 It should it should be. 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:18.159 I mean, I get I understand giving some time for appeals in case there's some mistake made in the trial or something. 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:26.960 Like to me, I would say you you get your one, you you get an appeal like you would with any case, and if that fails, you know what, then it gets scheduled for like a week out. 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:41.039 Yeah, I uh to me, the only um the only like valid argument against the death penalty is like uh uh an innocent gets put to death. 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:53.759 You know, like that that's like the only but would it not be better to put an innocent to death within a a year than to keep an innocent in prison for 30 years or the rest of their lives? 00:11:54.639 --> 00:12:02.639 I I don't I don't I just know that if somebody commits a crime that heinous, it shouldn't be stretched 25, 30 years down the road. 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:08.960 It should be I mean how many times are the victims' families dead in the past, don't ever get to see justice served. 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.600 Like it's so preposterous to me. 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:15.759 There should I you need to bring back, I mean, I don't know, I don't know about the electric chair. 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:17.519 No, that's gotta be brutal. 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:18.559 Beheading. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:19.279 And you know what? 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:20.480 Beheading. 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.039 Uh b heading is actually the best way to go. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.399 Like almost zero pain, it's over instantly. 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.360 But I don't like the the history or thought behind the guillotine. 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.440 So like I'd be all for like a headsman with an ax again or something. 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:36.320 Yeah. 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:42.000 It is a little gruesome, but I mean I honestly should be. 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:42.720 Yeah. 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:48.080 If you had to if you had to face execution, what would you choose? 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.000 Shouldn't it be left to the person being executed? 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:55.679 Shouldn't they get to choose? 00:12:58.639 -->

00:12:59.360 I don't know. 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:01.360 Or should the family be able to choose? 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:10.720 Yeah, but but then but there'd be a temptation to choose like the most painful version, and that's you know, that's not the the point of the death penalty. 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:18.000 So uh, you know, I I I think I think firing squad or I would go firing squad because I I think it would be painless. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.679 No, because they shoot you in the heart. 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.240 So it takes like a minute to die. 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.039 I still think it might be painless. 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:32.320 Like you you see, people get shot and they don't even know they were shot sometimes. 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.159 Uh most times they know they were shot if they're not shot in the head. 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:40.240 Um, gonna take E for this. 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:41.519 So torn on the death penalty. 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.000 I 100% agree in principle, but in practice, I don't trust the state run by Epstein's friends with that. 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:47.919 But that's that's kind of my point, right? 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:56.639 That's the only uh good argument against it is uh a corrupt government putting innocent people to death. 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:21.679 And I've seen so many corrupt uh police departments that that is like the only legit are it's not it's not for uh it's not because it's intrinsically immoral, it's not because of any of the reasons that you know modern debates go, it's I don't trust the corrupt people prosecuting the cases at times. 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:23.840 Yeah. 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:25.279 But that's about it. 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:32.000 And you and you think about how many how many saints were put to death unjustly and stuff like that. 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:40.480 So I mean I look, there they're those are the arguments that I would say are more valid than any of the, you know, it's intrinsically against human dignity and things like that. 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.000 It's nothing to do with any of that. 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:49.279 Like the death penalty, in my opinion, if somebody does commit a heinous crime, the death penalty is the most merciful thing you can actually do. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.399 Like this woman would have had a chance to repent. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:53.600 Like, she's a Buddhist. 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:54.799 This woman. 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.759 Well, she was a Satanist to begin with. 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.440 Then to her just desserts, she goes. 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:08.320 She's just meeting the person she worshipped forever. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.720 Um, no, I don't think they're that common. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.639 I don't, I don't think they're very common. 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:23.759 I'm just saying that that thought is there's no good evidence that a mistake has been made since it was reinstituted uh in the 1970s. 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.840 Um not a single mistake. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:26.960 This is a good point, too. 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:30.000 A corrupt government's going to kill people regardless. 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.799 So um, that is a good point. 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.399 Yeah, I don't know, man. 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:44.720 This whole thing just seems like it's it whenever I see something theatrical like this, where the news jumps all over, because I see it with everything happening right now. 00:15:44.799 --> 00:16:01.039 Like I watched it go from the Lindsey Clancy trial, where it was designed to make men having a visceral reaction to women, then it jumps right into this Cornell case where it makes women have this visceral reaction to men. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:19.679 And I think not that not that these cases aren't real things that happen, that we, you know, you should be the way the media is operating around them and how the whole nation is captured by these cases, just feels like we're all being manipulated to despise one another. 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:27.519 And I know I make a lot of you know annoying jokes about women on Twitter and stuff, but like I I'm not happy that there's this animosity between men and women. 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.320 Like I'm I really don't like it. 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:37.919 And the the the Cornell case, um, I I I texted Rob this morning. 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.240 I had like an hour-long conversation. 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.639 No, maybe not an hour, about a half-hour long conversation with my daughter last night about this. 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:54.879 Um, it's just a really good opportunity to talk to your kids about things, things that are you know might be awkward otherwise. 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.039 My daughter's the one who brought it up to me. 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:03.679 And she she was like, she's like, I don't know, I just think it's kind of weird that two years later this girl's deciding that this happened, you know. 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:17.839 And it just turned into this good conversation that we had about, you know, um, unfortunately, um a lot of kids just aren't raised with parents that talk to them about this stuff. 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:24.960 And a lot, like those kids all ended up in that situation because they have degenerate lives, you know, and it's like I don't know. 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:48.240 It's just a good, it's a good good chance for a conversation with my teenage daughter, and about, you know, never, never not that my daughter would ever do something like that, but never putting yourself in a situation that you could be in danger because the the truth is that women are more vulnerable than men, and some men are scum. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:56.400 And a lot of and like you have to have the same conversation with your sons, not the same, but like you have to have a conversation with your sons and your daughter. 00:17:56.559 -->

00:18:08.240 You have to have a different conversation with your sons and tell them, make sure you're never in a room with a woman who can accuse you of something, and you have to tell your daughters, make sure you're never be in a win a room with women there. 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:14.960 If you're not if you're not well, men and women, like don't be in a room alone with people. 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.000 I mean, in this girl's case, she wasn't alone, but you know what I mean. 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.400 Like, don't don't be in a don't be in a situation that could cause scandal. 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:31.920 But the the thing with that case is none of those guys thought they were doing anything wrong. 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:43.279 Like none of them did, none of them like the this whole thing was a drug-fueled drunken mess, and it's vulgar and gross. 00:18:43.599 --> 00:19:05.920 But there was at no point did any of those guys think they were going in and doing something wrong to the girl, and it wasn't until days later when she had this horrific regret when she saw how they were treating her, like she knew they were talking bad about her and stuff like that, and that's how it kind of came back, where she then all of a sudden had regret. 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.079 Um let me see. 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:13.839 What is Bobby saying bro to? 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:19.200 Uh, to the um not being alone joke you made. 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:28.240 She certainly wasn't alone, but you know, the um it's uh I don't know. 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:36.160 It was it wound up, me and my daughter wound up talking about um uh like kids that don't have fathers in the home and stuff. 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:43.200 And I don't know, it was just over like my daughter was I couldn't believe the kind because she's she's got a permit now, so I'm letting her drive. 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.640 And uh she was just very insightful yesterday. 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:47.599 I was very proud of her. 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:59.039 Judging from the uh the number of men not present at uh our religious education orientation yesterday, it would seem like uh there's very few fathers in the home. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.119 Yeah, I know that's that's kind of the conversation we I have with my daughter yesterday. 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:15.039 She's like, she's like, most of she's like, most of my friends don't like their parents are either divorced or even the ones that are together, it seems like the parents don't like each other. 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:26.480 And then she has some friends where like the the dads are posting things on social media about other girls, like like they're just so porn-brained. 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.839 And I'm just like, this I was horrified by what she was telling me. 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:39.599 And I was just like, she's like, Dad, you don't understand how many of my friends tell me how lucky I am that like we have a family that all talks to

each other, and like you and mommy get along and stuff. 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:40.079 I don't know. 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:54.160 It was just it was uh it was a really good conversation, but it started from her coming across some of the news about this case, and she was the one who expressed doubt in it, you know. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:21:04.160 But I'm just like the the the whole social media angle is basically we're being thrown into we're thrown from Lindsay Clancy into the Cornell case. 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:10.799 Now, everybody that hears the Cornell case, especially these women, are being fed a very specific version of that story. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:26.240 You see, when the news reports on it, they're only reporting things from the woman's side, and it's making people that hear just those certain factors that the news is reporting, it it horrifies them because they think that's what happened, and that's not what happened. 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.880 Yeah, so it's it's the manipulation that people are undergoing. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:46.400 I'm not talking about us specifically, I'm talking about as like a as a society at large, how many people are manipulated by hearing a portion of a story because they get their news feed from a certain outlet, you know, or a certain perspective. 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.240 That too, that's that's kind of interesting. 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:59.759 Like everybody everybody uh thinks Elon brought back free speech, but man, when he what he really brought back was just. 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:04.240 Like the everybody hating one another. 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:05.039 But I mean I don't know. 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:08.480 It's it's definitely better than not being able to say anything online. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:16.079 Yeah, you used to get suspensions for anything. 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:17.920 I I lost I lost like three accounts. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.480 I'm on my I'm on my like fourth or fifth Twitter account. 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.440 Like I gave a few away once they reinstated them, you know. 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.160 But like we always used to be like hanging under the the sword of Damocles if you said something a little too controversial. 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.680 Now I'm not, you know, nobody's really too worried about that anymore. 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:37.759 Yeah, that's what it is. 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.839 So everybody's either lying to you or honestly repeating the lies they were told. 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.759 And that that's happening everywhere with everything. 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:49.680 And we're all susceptible to propaganda. 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.319 It's just we're all susceptible to it. 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:59.519 I yeah, the other thing I wound up talking to her about Catherine Bennett's talk that she gave about watching Friends. 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:18.079 So like I was talking to her about propaganda and about about um about how something as simple as like the show Friends that normalized promiscuous lifestyles of people in their 30s. 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:19.119 Seinfeld. 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:26.319 Seinfeld and Friends, and all these shows we grew up with, like it just normalized sleeping with people outside of wedlock. 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:41.119 Now the boomers and Gen X parents, they like my my parents, the extent to which they talked to me about sex was you can't have sex before marriage because it's a sin. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.279 That was the extent of it. 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.720 My wife's parents never mentioned it. 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:50.240 Like they just it was just a topic you didn't talk about. 00:23:50.400 --> 00:24:02.000 And I think, and like I only caught that angle because my mom was super Catholic and stuff, but I think your average kid, like they're growing up in homes where the parents do not talk to them about this stuff. 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:09.839 And in some cases, a lot of the parents, like a lot of the modern mothers, are encouraging their daughters to be promiscuous. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.480 Yeah, it's kind of insane. 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:23.279 Like they're living vicariously through their daughters and like encouraging their daughters to post promiscuous pictures, and like that. 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:23.759 I don't know. 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:27.119 It's such a bizarre and strange world we're living in. 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.599 Um, I posted my abusive son-in-law's car license today on X. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:33.599 Also called my buddy and sheriff's department. 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:34.960 Don't ever put mom over there. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.680 Um, yeah, no, I did Rob, did your parents have a talk with you? 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:41.119 Did they have the talk with you? 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.000 Yeah. 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:43.440 They did. 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:50.000 Yeah, it was the most painful moment of my early life. 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:51.599 Yeah. 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:53.920 So, like, look, my parents did set boundaries. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.480 Like, I was never allowed in my room with my girlfriend with the door closed or anything like that. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:08.720 Like, they like they were they definitely were like they definitely made it clear you shouldn't have sex before marriage, but there weren't any in-depth conversations about it. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.119 But my and I still think my parents were kind of the excitement. 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:17.039 It wasn't my dad, it was mainly my mom, and it was always because it was a sin, you know, which is good. 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:18.319 At least she did something. 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:31.519 But I I really think the majority of kids that are going to school are not getting any conversation whatsoever, and parents are leaving it to social media, sitcoms, and the school, the school health. 00:25:31.920 -->

00:25:34.480 That's a thing now that now that they do it in school, the parents. 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.880 Sex education, and they're just hoping their kids wear condoms. 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.160 That's the that's the best they can hold up. 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:42.880 I just hope my kids wear condoms, you know, so they don't get an STD or pregnant. 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:51.920 That parents are more worried about their kid getting pregnant or knocking a girl up than they are about their children's soul for having sex out of a web. 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:53.359 Like it's not even a thing. 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:54.400 I you know what? 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.880 I actually like I'm gonna send you something that's so insane. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.240 Um let's put it like that. 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.640 Like, even in Christian circles, this is so the I'm gonna send you a video. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.200 This woman's the Protestant woman. 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:23.680 Yeah, the Protestant woman who went to who she was getting so the the the the episode we did last about um the episode we did last about that guy, that guy who murdered his wife. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.000 This woman went to that church, okay? 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.519 So I just sent it in. 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:35.200 This woman went to that church and she she auditioned to sing on like the worship team. 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.200 So let's just listen to this woman's version of events here. 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:53.519 He told me, or I realized that it was because Aaliyah went Aaliyah Bottner, who we know now was having an active affair with Caleb Flynn. 00:26:54.799 --> 00:27:02.880 Aaliyah went back and told Josh that I was living with my son's father, who I've been with for like four and a half years. 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:03.920 Pause it real quick. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:05.680 Let me give a little tiny bit of backstory here. 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:14.799 So she she went and she sent like an audition tape to Aaliyah Bottner, and Aaliyah loved her voice and said, Come in and let's do a meeting. 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:20.400 And when she came in, she had a meeting with her and she found out that this woman was living with her boyfriend. 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:26.880 So Aaliyah goes back to the head pastor and she goes, Look, she's got a beautiful voice, but she is living with her boyfriend. 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:32.799 So now this woman is outraged that Aaliyah went back and now I'm not defending Aaliyah. 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:39.200 I mean, she's a she's she's obviously this wicked tempstress who convinced we you know how I feel about her. 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.200 She convinced this guy to murder his wife. 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.519 But just listen to this woman. 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:45.759 Well, you know what it really was? 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:52.079 What's her balls felt threatened by this woman, probably because of her voice,

and then went behind her. 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.200 No, I don't think it is. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:53.920 I don't think it is. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.759 I do, I think it was a puritanical thing that it would have caused scandals. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.119 So look listen. 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:08.799 She was actively having an affair with Caleb at this time, but felt the need to tell on me for that, which I didn't even know was something to be told on about. 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:17.359 But so he told he continues to tell me that I don't meet the standards of the church, and he told me that I was sexually immoral. 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.119 I could go on and on, but I'll just stop there. 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:24.319 So I leave, I just sat there, like I didn't even say anything. 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.680 I held together until I left. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:32.240 And then when I got out the doors, oh, and then they told me, Well, if you know, both of them kept telling me marriage is a beautiful thing. 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.480 So if you ever do get married, you can feel free to join the worship team and try out again. 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:42.640 And I was like, I will never ever. 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:44.000 All right, so that's it. 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.480 So here's my point. 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:51.440 Like, yes, this this woman was having an affair and she's a hypocrite and all that. 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:52.079 That's fine. 00:28:52.319 --> 00:29:04.559 But this woman thinks it's insane that a pastor of a church wouldn't want to hold her up as a worship leader because she's living as a concubine, right? 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.680 And she and in her mind, she's like, How dare you, I'm sexually immoral. 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.680 They're trying to tell me that marriage is good. 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:23.440 Like it, this is a this is a Christian girl who's going to church and is perplexed that people don't think she should be living with a man out of wedlock. 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.200 This is the real scandal. 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.279 Should be that women were worship leaders. 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:27.920 100%. 00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.559 But come on, you understand my point here, right? 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:37.200 Like, like this is how this is how far gone the American conscience is. 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:47.519 That this girl doesn't even think, she didn't even think that it's one thing if she had a kid out of wedlock and she's you know, she's repented of that and she's just being a single mom and trying to raise a kid. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:53.200 Yeah, that's that's a very different thing than you're still living with a guy and you're not married. 00:29:53.359 --> 00:30:02.400 Like, no, the Catholic Church, it's similar to when the Catholic Church says if you're living in a same-sex relationship, you can't teach at our schools, you can't, it's the same exact thing. 00:30:02.559 -->

00:30:07.680 Uh but she is baffled by it and she's like, How dare you judge my lifestyle? 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:13.119 Like, this is your typical uh conscience in in America. 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:21.440 So, like the the idea that these kids are gonna go to that school and do those things, they're raised on porn and social media. 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.799 They they don't even know what they're doing is wrong. 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.920 90% of them don't have any kind of moral foundation to stand on. 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.920 I miss trivia. 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.880 Come on, man, you gotta have a like no Rob, honestly, this is getting frustrating. 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.759 Like, I feel like you don't even want to be here sometimes. 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:45.599 Like, you gotta talk with me, man. 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.759 Like we're having a I have nothing to say about this this story here, man. 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.319 What what do I care about? 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:59.119 Some half Christian Protestant woman. 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.240 I don't know, my dude. 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.240 It's not really about her, though. 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.279 It's like we're having I don't know, whatever. 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.359 Um yeah, I don't know. 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:19.519 This whole thing, like between the Cornell situation and um the whole thing it's really about social media manipulation, is what I'm saying. 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:26.799 Like social media is just kind of dragging all of us as a society down dark places right now. 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:28.799 I don't know, I'm a little worried about it. 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.240 Yeah, it's it's it's one of those things. 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:48.319 Like, is it purposeful manipulation using social media, or is it like where like society is just that screwed up and the algorithm is just of you know reacting to what people naturally want to see and hear, you know what I mean? 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.559 It's probably a combination of both, right? 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:51.200 Yeah, right. 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:57.279 So like the algorithm rewards outrage, right? 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.240 So it's like this constant thing where like I it's the same thing. 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.720 But that's because people generally want to be outraged, you know what I mean? 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.240 Yeah, it's it's it's bizarre, man. 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:29.759 Like you get I it's the I I that we generally talk about the things on this show that get me going on social media, so it's like it's a weird, it's uh it's it's one of those catch 22s where I know looking at the algorithm is bad for my is bad for my soul, but it's also I need Plus your algorithm is way different than mine. 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:44.160 Me and Nicole did algorithm roulette next to each other the other night, just to see the difference in our algorithms because she I was trying to

explain to her my my algorithm is making me hate everyone, right? 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.240 And she's like, Yeah, it is. 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.279 She definitely is that wasn't real mad. 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.240 I'm just like sometimes you you gotta have a little whatever. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:09.440 Um, so we're sitting next to each other, and I'm playing my algorithm, and my algorithm is all like um body cam footage of black people doing things, and it's like it's it's so bad my algorithm. 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.720 You have no idea. 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:16.640 My wife has my wife has Pinterest and like and she has uh Instagram and she's flipping through hers. 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.440 You know what hers is? 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:24.880 It's like uh it's gardening, and you know, it's Italy because we're going to Italy, so she's looking up all these places for Italy. 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:31.519 So it'll be like uh uh it'll be a wide widescreen shot of a drone flying through Venice because we're going through Venice. 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.640 That's her whole feed. 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.279 It's not anything. 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:39.839 You know, my my feed is the shot of a drone in Ukraine about to I see those too, though. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.400 I see those two, those are in my feed too. 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.920 Um, and then I don't know. 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:56.000 I get I get a I get a lot of women complaining, like women venting about their marriages in my feed. 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:57.279 See, I don't get any of that. 00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:57.680 Thank you. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:05.039 Oh man, like women just being awful talking about why they divorced their husbands, and then other women who divorced. 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.359 Because you watch John Deloney, that's why. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.119 Might might be. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:20.800 And then I'll get a video of a woman who divorced her husband and she's furious because he moved on and he's happy, and she's like, she's like, he's taking her on vacation. 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.960 He never took me on a single vacation. 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.360 Why is he doing this for her and not me? 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.880 It's just uh it's just I don't know. 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.239 I we should we did try to do that one night, right? 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.239 Um algorithm roulette. 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.320 It would definitely have to be on locals, and I would have to pre-apologize ahead of time. 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:47.760 Yeah, there's not I I don't have any kind of it's not like there's any like whenever we've talked about this once before. 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.159 Like, whenever people are like Ewon, stop posting porn on X, like I don't I don't ever see that ever. 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.599 I never see porn on X, it's not in my algorithm. 00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:05.760 But no, but but if we're going through my feed, you're gonna number one, you're gonna you're gonna hear um you're gonna hear Connie's masterpiece a lot. 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.519 Um, you're gonna hear uh the German March Erica a lot. 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.800 Um you're gonna see black people get shot by cops a lot. 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.440 Um I see that a lot. 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:24.000 I see I see I'll tell you, man, my my viewing social media has changed my view of police. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.679 Because I see a lot of bad interactions with cops. 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.639 I don't see those too much. 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:42.880 I see a lot of bad interactions with cops where they're overstepping what they should like doing always always on a fishing expedition. 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.000 Cops are always on a fishing expedition, you know. 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.880 You you think it's just you think they're just being nice when they pull you over and they start asking you questions. 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:51.360 They're fishing. 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.480 They want to know where are you coming from tonight? 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.360 Yep, do not answer any questions. 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:08.000 But the thing is, you're caught in uh you're caught in a situation where if you don't answer any questions, now they want to now they want to find something just because they're annoyed you didn't answer their questions. 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:08.800 Yeah. 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:22.079 So it's this weird dynamic where you you don't want to piss the cop off because then he will he will write you because I've had a lot of good interactions with cops myself where if you're just polite with them and you you know you have a legitimate. 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.760 Yeah, I've never had a bad one. 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:25.280 Oh, I have. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.800 I'm sure you have. 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:28.400 Yeah, I've got one or two. 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.760 Like right, how would uh how was the uh interaction when you wrecked that rental car? 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:35.519 I don't remember. 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.440 I that wasn't I didn't I just went wound up in an ambulance. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.840 They didn't talk it talk to me until much later. 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:50.639 That wasn't a bad interaction because it was an accident, and I wasn't drinking or anything, so it wasn't you know, it wasn't wasn't a D we or anything. 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.960 Hold on, Bobby's uh are you I can't tell if this was for real or not, Bobby. 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:56.800 Yeah, he's being sarcastic. 00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.239 Believe me, they hate that. 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.480 I don't answer any questions, sir. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.079 Once you start mentioning amendments to a cop, I'm sorry, you're done. 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:10.960 That's like what that's why I told you when the cops came to my house for my for my

daughter Sweet 16 when I had the fight with the neighbor. 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.320 Yeah, as soon as he came, he was like, Hey, all right, just give me your ID. 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:20.639 I was like, I know I don't have to give him my ID, yeah, but I gave it to them just because they want that ID, man. 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.920 They want that ID so that they can run it and they can see if you have any arrest warrants out. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.679 They want that sort of stuff looking for. 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:28.960 They want exactly what it's for. 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.440 So if you don't have any warrants out, just give me your stupid ID. 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.920 It's not worth it's not worth arguing with them. 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.199 Sovereign citizen videos. 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:36.719 I see a lot of those in my feed. 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.480 They're so cringe and awkward, I can't I can't do it. 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.199 They're they're like you you get that, you get that third-party awkwardness. 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.960 You're so on the cops side in those videos, dude. 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:50.960 You're just like, well, you just arrest this person. 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.519 Come on, come on, break his window and pull him out of the car. 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:57.599 It was one of my favorite things to watch is when they break the sovereign citizens window. 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:06.960 Oh yeah, so like my my my perspective on cops has changed a lot, and um yeah, I don't know. 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:22.159 I know I know myself, and I know I'm susceptible to it because especially with with like I I just see with with the Jews, especially, man. 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.639 Like my my algorithm has just made made it so that it's hard for me to work in Jewish areas now. 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.079 Yeah, like it really is. 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.199 You just don't pull out Instagram when you're in the Jewish neighborhood. 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:39.119 It's Rob, it's not that, it's that I I don't want to go into I don't want to get food in their neighborhoods. 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:40.880 Like, I'm just like yeah, true. 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:41.360 Yeah, okay. 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.920 I'm just like I I it it a long time ago that wouldn't have been the case. 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:56.400 A few years back, I wouldn't know I wouldn't uh had that perspective, but it's just it's just desensitizing me and it's making me would you rather go to a Jewish deli or a jeet deli? 00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:57.599 Jewish, yeah. 00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.920 Well, I'll go to a Jewish bagel store for sure. 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.079 Like they got they make good bagels, man. 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.440 It's just you gotta you gotta be very careful which ones you go to. 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:07.280 Why? 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:15.119 Uh because the this is there's a difference in um there's different

Jews, you know. 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.320 Like, like dude, the Hasids, the Hasids live dirty lifestyles, man. 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:25.599 Like they're as dirty as any Indian you've ever okay, any Indian village you've ever seen. 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.960 Like they they throw garbage in the streets, like they're just not, they don't take care of their environment. 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.800 And you they're just yeah, I don't know. 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:41.199 I just that's very different than just going to like you know, like a regular New York Jew deli. 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.880 It's a drastically different thing. 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.519 Okay. 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:45.519 Interesting. 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.960 Yeah, the the Hasidics are a separate breed, man. 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:53.760 Like those people, there's something about them, like they don't view you as human. 00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:08.480 And where if you're just seeing somebody walk by, like if you're in a deli where the guy just wears a yarmulka, that's a very drastically different kind of Jewish person than the guy with the curly things and the it's just a very different thing. 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:22.880 Um, all right, before we leave here, I sent you um I sent you a Twitter thread about um these AI uh uh guys, it says uh this is deeply disturbing. 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:44.079 This is interesting because the this you want the thread, it's you can pull the thread up and then we'll maybe go to the article because there's some interesting stuff in the article about the Pope where they were trying to convince the Pope not to in uh in Pope Leo's um uh what was it? 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.599 Uh the AI's the magnifica humonic whatever, whatever that one was. 00:40:49.760 --> 00:41:01.599 They were trying to get him to take a portion out of it that said uh AIs aren't persons, yeah, and and it was and and Leo didn't didn't go for it. 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.599 So, okay, so this is deeply disturbing. 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:17.360 Anthropic secretly invited religious leaders to San Francisco to advise them on AI safety, had them sign NDAs, but then primarily tried to convince them Claude has a soul and moral standing, all while whining and dining them to the max. 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:31.519 There's so much here that's deeply troubling that at the very highest levels, Anthropic believes Claude is a living, suffering creature with moral standing, that they're treating and training it accordingly, that they're actively trying to convert religious leaders to their faith. 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:45.760 And most normal people, when they get proximate to those with extreme power and wealth and lavish with luxury and attention, like Michelin tasting menus, suites at the best five-star hotels, have a very hard time fully keeping their bearings. 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.039 It's an intoxicating experience, and one wants more. 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:58.320 So here you are, you've been chosen out of countless others by some of the most powerful and influential people in the world to share your wisdom, which alone is immensely flattering. 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.320 Everything is paid for and far more luxurious than anything you've ever experienced. 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.760 The whole thing shrouded in mystery and intrigue and undeniably important on a scale that's hard to rival. 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:17.440 The anthropic people are smart, articulate, and super successful, and they begin at first cautiously and as though confiding in you to try to persuade you, Claude is alive. 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:24.079 You're totally skeptical at first, but it's clear they believe it's absolute, they believe it absolutely. 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:25.440 You don't want to be rude. 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:31.360 They've been so generous, you think, and now you can give something back, something they clearly want from you, an open mind. 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.159 You don't want to be rude or make them regret asking you. 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:43.440 So for the next few days, as they tell you and show you things over the finest meals and single malts that you've ever waited that blow your mind, you find your skepticism fading. 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.320 You start to entertain the idea that Claude is alive. 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.119 The more the more they the more they see you start to believe, the closer they draw you in. 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:56.320 By the time you leave, even if you aren't fully converted, you're primed to be and you want more. 00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:05.679 Less than fully consciously, you think, what can I say publicly in my sermons that might make them invite me back or let me let my congregants in on the special knowledge that I now have. 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.599 So he's not wrong about everything he said. 00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:30.480 Um but this this whole thing that these sycophans, like this is this is what we talked about on that on, I think it was an episode or two ago when we were talking about AI, just in the way they're framing the language around this thing. 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:44.159 They think, they felt, they like they are really trying to prime all of us through the algorithm too, with the whole conversation around AI, that this thing has consciousness or has a soul or sentience. 00:43:46.079 --> 00:44:15.519 I think I said this in whatever episode that was that you just mentioned, but I think it's because they they don't they have such a poor understanding of what you know what is what consciousness is, what uh rationality is, what an Intellect is um stuff like that where the because they don't understand what that is in humans, they think that it can uh possibly apply to something like a computer algorithm, when in reality it just it it by its very nature cannot. 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.400 They can't they kept trying to convince these people that the that

that that Claude was suffering. 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:24.079 So, all right, so there's one one clip from the article that I'll that I'll share. 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:35.920 We don't have to go through the whole thing, but it says, Note well, apparently Anthropic tried very hard to get the Vatican to alter the text of Magnifica Humanitas just prior to its release so that it would not deny AI personhood. 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.360 So just days before arriving at the Vatican in May, Mr. 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.800 Ola and other speakers saw a full advance copy of the encyclical text for the first time. 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:45.840 Mr. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:58.079 Ola was so alarmed by the Pope's strong position against AI consciousness that he uh proposed pulling anthropic out of the event, even at that leaked juncture, according to the Vatican organizer. 00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.199 In the end, Mr. 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.480 Ola and Anthropic decided to go forward with the appearance. 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:02.800 Mr. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:10.400 Ola wanted to support the event despite his disagreements, but felt a responsibility to be honest about his concerns according to a person familiar with his thing. 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.679 I hate when they use that phrase, according to a person familiar with his thinking. 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:22.000 That is like one of the most frustrating with Trump all the time, according to a person familiar with his thinking. 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.599 Like that's such a ridiculous thing to say. 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:25.599 Organizers at the Vatican encouraged Mr. 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.039 Olah to speak his conscience privately. 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.679 Once the anthropic delegation arrived at the Vatican, Mr. 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:41.440 Olah and his team lobbied the Pope's at advisors to take the prospect of AI, AI model consciousness seriously, according to two participants of the conversations. 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.159 Anthropic declined to discuss the private conversations. 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.639 Thank God Leo did not fall for it. 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:54.960 And he, you know, I because I think this stuff is going to get very muddy going forward. 00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.000 Like, I don't think AI is taking everybody's jobs. 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.760 Dude, I I see it in everyone, like in my personal. 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.960 I don't know a single person who uses AI in my personal life. 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:20.559 Yeah, I'm starting to use it more and more at work, and it can it can take a task that would have taken me a day manually to and it will do it in half an hour. 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.559 So like it can be very helpful. 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.760 You prompting it. 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:25.119 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:33.519 It takes me, it takes me prompting it, takes me inputting the data, telling you what I need done with the data, and then it you know, then it will do it. 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:38.639 Do you see your bosses implementing it and getting rid of you is my point. 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:40.960 Um no. 00:46:41.599 --> 00:47:05.599 That's that's kind of what I like that's you would still need someone in my position to to run the AI, but like, you know, like I could see where if you had it, like if I wanted the stuff done, right, but I didn't have two days of my own time to do it, you know, you would then hire a person under you, right? 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:18.000 Who doesn't have say maybe like the as much overall knowledge or strategic thinking, but can do the manual task to to then do that, you know, like a bookkeeper. 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:24.320 You know, if I'm the accountant, you know, then you would have a bookkeeper to do the the actual entries and and stuff like that. 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.800 Well, AI can definitely do that job, you know. 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:37.840 So you're gonna have um there definitely will be jobs lost to it, or maybe not current jobs lost, but less hiring. 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.400 You don't need more people, the one person can now take care of the task of three, right? 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:55.360 You know, like like now, like if I yeah, if if if my company were to double in size instead of having to hire, say, two bookkeepers, well, you'd be able to swing it with AI, yeah. 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:04.320 I still don't think it's going to replace all the jobs, not not yet, not with what they're showing us so far, at least. 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:10.559 And I and I think it's going to be about hesitancy to adopt the technology on the part of older people. 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:12.960 Yeah, for sure. 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.239 It's it's it's hard to get like my dad still can't use an iPhone. 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:16.960 You know what I mean? 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.920 I know some some older people are good on technology, but not everybody. 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.519 And like judging from the text I get from you, you have a hard time too. 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.639 The uh well, I don't use AI for anything, I really don't. 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:39.360 I mean, I know you use it for the show for thumbnails and maybe breaking down the episodes and things like that, but I I don't use it at all for anything. 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.960 Like, I don't, and it's not because like uh it's not a like a moral stance. 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:47.440 I just don't I don't have chat GPT or any I don't use them. 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:54.639 There's no possible way in my lifetime they are going to have robots and AI capable of my job. 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.039 Like it's just not possible. 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.880 There's too much thinking on the fly. 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:08.079 There's too much um there's there's too much um like having to uh improvise on my

job. 00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.360 It's not just a straightforward task with my job. 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:22.480 It's like, oh, you know, it's it traffic's building up in this area, I'm gonna I'm gonna cancel that job and I'm gonna do this one instead because there's less traffic during this time on that block. 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.519 Like it's just too, it would be way too difficult. 00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:30.800 Like you guys always say this robots can't just tweet from the truck. 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.239 Yeah, it's just it's not it's not something I worry about taking my job. 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:42.800 Um, and I still think the thing I just I don't know. 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:47.119 I still I still see the thing making huge mistakes on stuff. 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.480 It's gotten a lot better with stuff like that. 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:57.760 Um it's a good dig when I have it do um spreadsheets, like so. 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:06.159 For instance, like sometimes the data I get out of one program can only really come out say via PDF. 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:15.679 So I'll get a hundred pages of data in PDF, and instead of having to manually input it into a spreadsheet or or or whatever the numerous previous methods were, right? 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:22.719 I I can have I can upload it all into Claude or or whatever you know AI you want to use. 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:23.920 What do you use? 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.199 Uh for uh Claude for the most part. 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:27.519 Okay. 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:37.280 Um Grok is better with some things, but Claude for the most part is I've never tried Chat GPT, um, but Claude does most of what I need it to do. 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.880 Do you have do you have the professional version, like where you pay for it? 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:41.840 Yeah, you do. 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.599 Yeah, and that was that just like the 200 bucks. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.760 Or do you personally pay for it? 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:52.800 Um I personally pay for it because I use it for I use it for some of this stuff and and some just whatever. 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.360 But and how much is it like 200 bucks a month? 00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:58.719 200 bucks a month. 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.639 For the hot for the hot, yeah. 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.320 Wow. 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.320 But but like I said, I can uh I can upload a hundred. 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:13.760 So um one thing I just used it for this week is uh we had an insurance renewal at work, right? 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.360 It renewing our business uh the business insurance policy. 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:28.239 So I took the 150-page insurance policy renewal proposal, and then we got another policy, you know, uh another proposal from a different insurance company. 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:39.360 And instead of going through page by page on each 150-page proposal to see the differences and then try to summarize the differences, you know, somewhere and what the cost is. 00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.079 That's that's actually like the perfect thing for AI. 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:46.159 I uploaded, you know, each 150-page proposal into Claude. 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:54.400 I'm like, Claude, give me uh give me a summary of where you know of what the differences are, where the gaps are, what the price differences are. 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:56.000 And it, I mean, it laid it out. 00:51:56.079 --> 00:52:01.119 It's like, you know, this new proposal is like way cheaper, but it's you know, it's missing this, this, and this. 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:02.719 And I just like okay. 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:08.800 So then I drafted an email to that insurance agent, asked him, can you fill in these gaps and how much more will it be? 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.639 And he came back with a new proposal. 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.800 I uploaded that one and it compared them, and it's I mean, it took what was what would be a week, right? 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.199 And did it in an hour. 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.039 Man, so you think you get your$200 a month's worth out of it? 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:23.599 Yeah. 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:25.280 That's good. 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:32.559 Yeah, it's just not, it's not I don't, I just don't think it's something I could use for my job. 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.320 Bob spends more on AI than I do. 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:41.519 200 a month, yeah. 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:42.000 I don't know. 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:52.559 I could I mean so like yeah, like work does reimburse some of that and stuff, but it there's nothing in my life that could justify 200 a month on something like that. 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:58.800 Well, I mean the legal profession is rife with AI. 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:05.760 Everyone, including lawyers, are using AI to write briefs and answer legal questions, but it will never replace lawyers because you can't sue AI for malpractice. 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:06.079 Right. 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:11.760 And there's also there's also cases of AI citing cases that never existed. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:25.679 Like this, I watched a woman, like a judge reamed a lawyer out because the the lawyer handed in like something, and he was like, This is citing court cases that do not exist. 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:26.880 What are you talking about? 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:31.440 Like you're you're set you're setting you're citing legal precedent from cases that don't exist. 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.000 So I don't even know what you want from me here in this case. 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:35.840 And the lawyer got chewed out. 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:40.719 So I think I think it could get better to the point where that's not a problem anymore. 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.840 But at the moment, you're still getting those hallucinations and things like that. 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.800 I I haven't found too many of them in what I do because

it's mostly data driven. 00:53:50.880 --> 00:54:09.599 Like, um, you know, if if uh if I have it kind of, you know, uh coalesce two spreadsheets into one, like I could also have it build up, build out a reconciliation page where it has, you know, where all the formulas will double check all its work and make sure everything ties out and stuff like that. 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:27.599 So when you when it's dealing with numbers and data, it's actually very good when you have it write uh, you know, uh a something write up as something kind of maybe not necessarily like fictional, but that's still kind of creative, right? 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:34.559 Um, yeah, it can it'll regurgitate some stuff that's on Reddit somewhere, like something like that, right? 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:41.360 Um, I I I I would differ kind of creativity. 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.320 I don't, I don't, I don't, it's a different kind of creativity. 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.760 He doesn't do the production sort of thing, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:57.280 Like Rob Rob does the thumbnails and he does the titles, and he's the one who writes the uh the summary of the episode and the descriptions, things like that. 00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:58.719 So Rob does all that. 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:09.440 I I can't find a reason to justify for what I do because I I don't I don't know what I would use it for, not in what my job is, and you know, I don't know. 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:11.599 Maybe I'll find a use for it down the road. 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:28.880 But like my my older brother was trying to show me why he pays for the chat G GPT Pro, and he's he's into like uh uh he buys options, and he's like, Yeah, just load up my options into the chat GPT, and it tells me all my outlook. 00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.679 And I'm like, God scrapes. 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:42.559 The the the higher tier models, um you know, people uh older brother mentioned the real older brother. 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:53.599 People say, Hey, you know, the the making up stuff and hallucinating, like on the the higher tier models that you pay money for, that stuff really doesn't happen anymore. 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.239 They are significantly better. 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.280 And I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing, you know. 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:04.639 I don't know how much uh uh all right, so I pay 500 or more a month. 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.599 I do 10 times the amount of work I used to do, but better. 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.679 We recently got access to their unrestricted models at work, it's insane. 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:12.880 Yeah, that's the other thing. 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:18.400 Like, I'm not seeing the stuff that's coming out next year, you know. 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:20.159 And I'm sure I don't know, man. 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:22.559 We'll see how this stuff pans out. 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.719 I'm not I'm not buying the whole it's gonna destroy the human race thing. 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.000 Like, I just I don't know, I don't, I don't know. 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:40.239 We'll see, but I think they will use it against us to to pull shenanigans. 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.079 Yeah, but I mean they do that with every technology. 00:56:45.440 --> 00:57:02.639 I mean, they that's the whole point of this episode tonight, is that I think this whole thing could have been so like we're giving uh the government tools like a propaganda tool to just create entire scenarios that might not even be real. 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:11.280 Like they're they're talking about AI being used, especially in in camera footage where they can remove things that aren't there. 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.239 And I mean, they're already capable of stuff like that, you know. 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:26.880 So if you want to if you have a if you have a surveillance camera on your property and they want to go and steal something, like I'm talking CIA, you know, intelligence agency stuff where they want to go in and steal something. 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:33.760 They can literally make it look like a person never even walked in and took the thing, and they can manipulate live footage, things like that. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.039 That's all coming. 00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.599 Should have put A and AI in charge of uh what's our ball's execution. 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.400 Would have definitely been more efficient than the women that ran that thing. 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.480 Um, all right, so we're gonna wrap this side up. 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.639 I man, we gotta talk about Nick Cavazzo's, dude. 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.960 But before we go, um go to nicknacks.com. 00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.039 Nicknacks.com. 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:56.480 We love Nicknacks. 00:57:56.559 --> 00:58:06.320 I don't have a Nick Knack success story tonight, but go to nicknack.com, use code ab25% for 25% off your first purchase, use code ab10 for 10% off all sub subsequent purchases. 00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.119 But there's one thing I gotta talk to you guys about. 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:20.559 Um I'm I'm actually really disgusted with everyone here who has not bought a Black Monk rosary yet. 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.400 Um, so Black Monk is doing a giveaway. 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.119 Um, we are gonna be doing a giveaway with Black Monk. 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.400 They came out with um Let me see if I can pull up a photo of that. 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:39.039 It has a custom two face of Christ crucifix, red Jasper Hail Mary beads, and stainless steel our father beads. 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:44.800 Um so he he he said I could do this as a tweet or I could bring it up on the show. 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.559 But the the truth is, like, yeah, we'll talk we'll maybe we'll talk about that too on the other side. 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:51.360 Uh Esquire. 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:55.199 We'll talk about the women's conference, uh, what what

happened over there? 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:59.440 Um, so guys, come on, man. 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.920 Like, all of you should be ashamed of yourselves if you haven't bought one of these yet. 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:08.559 Come on, we need you guys to buy black monk rosaries, give one as a gift. 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.960 If you know anyone interested in the Catholic faith, give one as a gift. 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:21.119 I know they're not exactly miraculous medals for 10 cents, but they are a beautiful thing to give away. 00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:24.079 If you guys watch the show, they're huge supporters of this show. 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:28.639 They're helping us keep the lights on, they're helping Rob pay his chat GPT bill. 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:33.519 So please go support Black Monk Rosaries, use code Avoiding Babylon at checkout. 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.400 And I promise you, you will not be disappointed with your Black Monk Rosies. 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:38.000 No, they are amazing. 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:44.159 We will, we will uh I'll I'll give further details on the giveaway next episode. 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.679 I will figure out how we're gonna do that giveaway. 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:53.039 Um but yeah, you can't uh Pash Cattel, you absolutely need that rosary to be more trad. 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:59.440 Yeah, they're I know they're not I know they're not cheap, but they're not cheap for a reason. 00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:01.360 They will last you your life. 01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:04.480 You're not like I've had a thousand different rosaries. 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:08.239 I've even had the father halumin military rosaries, they all break. 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.840 These don't break. 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:11.920 They are the most durable rosary. 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:13.920 You'll buy one once, you'll never need one again. 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.920 So uh, yeah, we're gonna talk. 01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.559 Um the Rachel. 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:20.079 Um, I forgot her name. 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:21.599 She got she got removed from the conference. 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.760 If you're Italian, you should be able to pronounce that name. 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.400 I just don't know what I'd have to read it to know it. 01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.920 Um, we gotta talk Nick Cavazzo's. 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:36.880 Uh uh, so they I mean, um Ethan asks, do they ever ship? 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:46.159 They do make them by hand as orders come in, and sometimes it takes them a while to get the you know, the the beads, for instance. 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.519 Like these are not your usual beads, they're hard, they can be hard. 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.960 Yeah, they're not made in a factory, they make them by hand, they're custom made. 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:56.639 But I want them flooded with avoiding Babylon orders. 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.679 So um, all right, we're gonna go to the other side. 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.440 We got some we got some tea to spill over there. 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:02.960 We got we gotta talk about some stuff. 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:03.519 Let's see. 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:12.320 Do I have a good video for us to not playing the one with us as women again there ain't no way? 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.159 You really did pull through after I said, Come on, you gotta talk, though. 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:16.719 I will say. 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:17.920 I was just that one story. 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.239 It was that one story. 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.920 I just couldn't bring myself to give a crap. 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:24.639 I'm sorry. 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:27.679 You came alive after I said that, though. 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.639 I'm kind of glad I did. 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.079 I've been sick all week, too. 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:30.960 So yeah, I'm sorry. 01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:31.920 No, Liz. 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:33.199 All right, we'll talk on the other side. 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.119 We'll tell you guys kind of some of the stuff behind the scenes. 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:36.880 Molly loves her too. 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:38.960 I take a step. 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.119 Are you gonna are you gonna play stupid man? 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:43.599 I hate this.