Episode 370

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Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is
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not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
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Her car was moving from her house.
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It was covered in blood in the driver's seat.
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She wasn't the one driving. She was in the back.
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Look.
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I know how much of my audience is triggered right
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now because the courts ruled that you can't murder your
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own children. And then, to make matters worse, Sydney Sweeney
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took her clothes off again. So let's eat some more
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ice cream and listen to some true crime, and we'll
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get through this together. Welcome to Struggle Session 370. I'm
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your host, the illustrious Mike Boudet. Oh my god, did
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I offend someone again?
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Oh no!
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I had to look up the word illustrious, by the way.
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I guess it fits.
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Just remember that life is all about finding new things
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to get mad about.
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It's 2019.
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Jennifer is 50 years old and raising five kids, including
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two sets of twins. They range in age from 8
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to 13, and by all accounts, she is a devoted mother.
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For nearly two years, she and her kids have lived
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without her husband in a massive white house in New Canaan.
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It has almost 10,000 square feet, a three-car garage, and
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is worth millions. Custody of the kids is technically shared,
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but most days the house, the homework, and the packed
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lunches fall to Jennifer. Jennifer is also a writer with
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a Master of Fine Arts. She keeps a blog. Sometimes
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she writes fiction. Sometimes it reads more like a diary.
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And sometimes it becomes a place to put her frustrations,
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much like this podcast is to me. In one post,
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she wrote, The boys declared at their pickup that I
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should go to mommy jail, where they corner you in
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the kitchen, tie you up in a striped apron, and
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beat you with wooden spoons. About an hour away sits
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another house. It's just as large, but the family that
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lives there has a very different dynamic. Inside that house,
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Michelle goes about her day. It's her boyfriend's home. She, too,
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moved in about two years ago. after meeting him at
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a Miami water ski competition. Her 12-year-old daughter, Nicole, lives
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with them most of the time, and the boyfriend's kids
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are there some weekends. Michelle has projects of her own,
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and she also helps her boyfriend with his business. As
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she later explained, she wasn't someone who could just sit
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around the house.
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Listen, I don't work for Fordham. I was helping him,
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because I was... I have my rocks, I have my.
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Daughter, and it's just because I have time to do things,
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and I cannot be just sitting around.
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Two women don't really know each other, but their lives
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are colliding. Because the same man ties them together. His
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name is Fotis Doulos. On the morning of May 24, 2019,
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after dropping the children at school, Jennifer's Suburban was recorded
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returning to Wells Lane. At 11 a.m., the nanny arrived.
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The plan for her was to bring the children to
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New York, where they would meet Jennifer, attend dentist appointments,
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and stay with Grandma. It was an hour's drive to
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the city, and Jennifer was going to leave the Suburban
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for the nanny and the kids. But when the nanny
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opened the middle garage door, she was surprised to find
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the Range Rover parked there. The Suburban was missing. That
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wasn't the only weird thing she noticed. Jennifer's carry-all bag,
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which she always traveled with, was on the floor. In
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the kitchen, a cup of tea was still full, sitting
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next to an uneaten granola bar. Strangest of all, the
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nanny noticed the paper towel holder beside the sink was empty.
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When she went to the pantry to replace it, she
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noticed that the 12 rolls that she'd bought the day
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before were now down to two. After picking up the
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kids at 12.30, she went back to the house to
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feed them lunch and pack a few things. The kids
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were getting ready to leave for New York, but Noelle
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couldn't find her iPad for the ride.
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The kids went and got their iPads for the car ride.
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And I just cleaned up quickly, put everything away. And
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then I texted Jennifer because Noelle couldn't find hers. And
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so I asked, we had like a family iPad. And
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so I asked if she could take that instead. And
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then we got in the car and headed to New York.
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So right before we left the driveway, I texted her
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our ETA and that we would be at Gloria's. And
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then I just started driving. And then I texted her
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when we got to Gloria's.
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Gloria, Jennifer's mother, lived in New York.
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After we got to Gloria's around 2.30 and she wasn't there.
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And I was supposed to meet Jennifer at Gloria's. I
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wasn't supposed to go to the orthodontist. I was going
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to be heading back home. but she wasn't there, and
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so I called her around 4 o'clock.
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According to the nanny, Jennifer always answered her phone. She
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knew that Jennifer and the kids had appointments at the
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same dentist, but she wasn't sure how to get there.
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So she plugged the address into the navigation system and
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hoped she'd see Jennifer's car when she pulled into the lot.
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But she didn't. The situation was becoming more extremely concerning.
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The second I called Jennifer, it's like my stomach just
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sank because she never not answered her phone. So I
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was really hopeful that she just got caught up with
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meetings and she was going to be there. And so
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when she didn't, she wasn't there, I just came, I
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was shocked, but also like, okay, I have the four
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kids in front of me and don't know what to do.
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So I just put them in to their appointments and
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I left The nanny.
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Made a few phone calls, but back at New Canaan,
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the house sat empty and quiet. The missing Suburban was
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the only visible sign that anything was wrong. But what
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the nanny could not see were the small and almost
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microscopic traces of blood. Investigators would later find multiple stains,
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suspected blood spatter, and signs that someone had tried to
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clean the garage. Jennifer had not simply left. Jennifer Dulos' father,
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Hillard Farber, made a fortune on Wall Street, running a
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successful bond brokerage. Her mother, Gloria, was a philanthropist who
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used some of the money to found an educational charity
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with her husband. Jennifer grew up in Manhattan, one of
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three kids. Some of her closest friendships lasted nearly her
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entire life.
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This is my friend Jenny, at 20, on my roof
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in Brooklyn. the summer we lived together. Jenny Farber was
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my friend for 46 years, from when we were four
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to when we were 50, from community nursery school to
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middle school math class to Brown University. You have to
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be pretty extraordinary to inspire friendship that evergreen.
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She was.
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All the adjectives, deep, beautiful, genius, outrageous, gentle, and wise,
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can't even come close.
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Jennifer and Fotis met in the early 90s at Brown University.
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She was an undergrad. Serious, smart, quiet. Fotis was a
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year ahead, studying applied math. They made a connection, but
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Fotis ended up with someone else. Jennifer went on to
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get her Master's of Fine Arts in Writing from NYU.
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She started publishing. She was articulate, but guarded. And she
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never found her dream man until she ran into Fotis
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again in 2003. He had already earned an MBA at
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Columbia and eventually started a construction company. Four group. specializing
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in exclusive luxury homes. When they connected again, he was
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separated from his wife, or at least that's what he
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told Jennifer. They married in 2004, only about a month
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after his divorce was final. Jennifer was 36 and had
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always wanted kids. Now she had her chance. Jennifer underwent
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fertility treatments, and they had five kids together in the
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span of seven years.
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But every time that I was with Jennifer and her children,
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she was deeply, truly content. She was always holding one
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kid's hand, had another in her lap, was making a
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crazy joke with two of them. She delighted in them wholly.
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The most relaxed, beautiful, and fulfilled I have seen her
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in all my years of friendship with her was with them.
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They seemed to have everything they could possibly want. They
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had a mansion in Farmington, Connecticut, kids, and money. But inside,
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things were starting to split. Fotis was obsessed with water skiing.
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He pushed the kids into it, hard. Jennifer wasn't into
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sports or skiing and didn't like the pressure he put
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on the kids with trips to Miami, ski coaches, and
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expectations to be the best. She felt Fotis was more
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focused on their performance than their well-being. Unlike Jennifer, Michelle
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Traconis built her life around sports. In Argentina, she hosted
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a skiing and outdoor sports program for ESPN. That athletic
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side is part of what drew Fotis to her when
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they met at the water skiing event in Miami. Didn't
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come out of nowhere. Fotis said he was separated from
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his wife, but in reality, Fotis and Jennifer were still
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living in the same house. So the relationship developed largely
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in Miami during trips when Jennifer stayed behind. The nanny
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was often there with the children.
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Yeah, so Fotis introduced her as a friend and she
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was nice. She was with Fotis a lot, like they'd
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go on the boat to ski. But there was one
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time I had a conversation with her when we were
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underneath the little tent where you can kind of just
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hang out. I remember the conversation. She was telling me
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she just got back from Colorado and She was looking
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at schools to go for her daughter to go to
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because her daughter was a very good snow skier. So
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she wanted her to, I think, get better or more
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opportunities there, I guess. But she was friendly.
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That wasn't the first time Michelle had been to Miami
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with him.
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Yeah.
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So when we got there, they were calling her Mitchie.
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And so it's and they hugged her. So like they
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already knew her. I believe it was the two boys,
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so Petros and Theodore. I don't think Rashawn and Constantine
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or Noel had met her yet.
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In her writing and emails, Jennifer described her frustrations and
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growing concern that something was off in her marriage. The
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nanny remembered that things got a little weird sometimes when
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they were in Miami, like Fotis started spending less time
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with the kids and putting more responsibilities on her. She'd
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be exhausted but expected to play laser tag with the kids.
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while Fotis and Michelle sat in the lounge area, talking
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and relaxing. Then Fotis would send the nanny and the
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kids back home while he spent more time in Miami.
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Back at Jennifer's home, she was becoming increasingly suspicious of
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Fotis' extended traveling and was convinced he was having an affair.
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At first, the nanny said she didn't see any signs
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of it. But after a while, Jennifer caught on.
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She told me he is having an affair and I
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have proof. I think through email and receipts, she found
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out that he went on a trip to Utah with
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Michelle and a friend of his and his girlfriend. She was,
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I think she just was just like, I knew it. She, again,
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very soft spoken. So she seemed sad, but also just
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kind of like she was trying to figure out what
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to do.
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Jennifer had already decided the marriage could not be saved.
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And she confided this to the nanny.
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So I was in the house the next day and
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when Fotis arrived too. And so when I got to
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the house, she pulled me aside and told me that
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she spoke to Fotis and he admitted to the affair
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and that she was going to try and have us
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be as civil as possible.
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She opened up more.
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Saying that she was no longer in love with Fotis,
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but she wanted, she had five kids, so they were
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going to try and work out what they could.
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In June of 2017, she filed for divorce and moved
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the kids to New Canaan to be closer to her
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mom and extended family. But the separation was not civil.
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Over the next two years, the case generated more than
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300 court filings involving custody, finances, and competing accusations. Jennifer
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told the court she was afraid of Fotis because he
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threatened her. He also told her if she divorced him,
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he'd take the kids and disappear to Greece.
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The week before she was killed, Jenny called me. She
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was feeling hopeful about the future, that there was light
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at the end of the divorce tunnel.
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On May 24, 2019, at about 7 p.m., Jennifer was
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reported missing. By 8.30 that night, the police were at
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Fotis' home in Farmington, where he lived with Michelle. Fotis
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said he had not seen Jennifer. Michelle would later tell
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detectives that Fotis had described Jennifer as mentally ill and
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prone to dramatic behavior, and he suggested that she might
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have disappeared on her own. As the investigation intensified, Fotis
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began speaking publicly. In a television interview... He presented himself
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as a concerned father and denied wishing Jennifer any harm.
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I had my differences with Jennifer, like many people do
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when they go through a marriage. It didn't work out
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for us, but that doesn't mean that I wish her
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ill in any way. I wake up every day and
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I feel like somebody's sitting on my chest. It's terrible
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not to have your children.
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I don't think anything.
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Compares to that.
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Fotis acknowledged that people often suspect the spouse... But he
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insisted he was the exception.
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So statistically, when something like this happens, 90 or 95 percent,
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it's the spouse. So I can understand.
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Why people feel like this.
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I'm in the 5 or 10 percent category.
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And he said the truth would eventually clear him.
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I know what I've done and I know what I
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haven't done. So I have to stand and fight and
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hope that the truth is going.
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To come out.
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That's what the police were sure of. The truth was
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going to come out. Investigators were already working to determine
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whether his account matched the evidence. The next morning, police
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returned with a warrant to Fotis' phone and began examining
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location data, calls, and his movements in the days surrounding
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Jennifer's disappearance. Fotis already had a lawyer, of course. He
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urged Michelle and Pavel to an employee of the four group,
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to get attorneys also. Michelle said she didn't understand why
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she needed one. She had not yet been charged. But
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within days, detectives were asking her to account for her
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own movements and also for Fotis' movements. You know you
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didn't do anything, right?
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Yeah, I know, I've been in New Orleans.
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So, but yeah, you find yourself there.
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So the.
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Yes, and I'm like, why I'm here? Like, I have
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a normal life.
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A beautiful life with my daughter, and ever since I
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got to Connecticut, it's been like a nightmare.
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How long have you been here?
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I started coming in June of 2017, in.
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The summer, back and forth, because I couldn't be here
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when he was with the kids by port.
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So I would go to Miami, which I was.
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Upset because I'm alone.
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I have to fly every four days.
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Back and forth.
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The detectives listened, but they were watching for body language.
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Something caught their attention. To the detectives, Michelle seemed genuinely scared.
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I just want to go back to when you were
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being processed. We noticed how he was treating you.
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I noticed it.
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And specifically, he looked like he was.
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Staring a hole in your head.
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Do you remember when you were sitting against the wall
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when he was getting the phone numbers out of the
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phone and your head was between your knees?
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Remember you were feeling faint, you.
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Weren't feeling well?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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I was feeling still the same.
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You looked a lot worse that night than you have
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in the last 24 hours that I've been spending with you.
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He asked you a question, you didn't respond.
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And he looked at you, though you didn't see it,
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because your face was down.
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And he gave you the most evil, long.
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Look I've ever seen. And we had to break him
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from it.
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He looked at me?
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Yeah, he looked at you.
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And we became very concerned for your safety just based
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on our experience and what we do.
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And what we witnessed.
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And what we've learned throughout the.
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Last, you know, several days.
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The detectives took her back to the night she and
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Fotis were brought in. During processing, they had watched how
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Fotis reacted to her and how closely he seemed to
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monitor her.
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The point is that he's overly concerned.
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Okay.
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Because you were breaking down. Well, because I'm like.
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What am I doing here? So.
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What that shows us is he was concerned about what
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you were going.
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To say or do.
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Okay.
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Because it's stuff that we think that you know.
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Okay. That's what we're getting at.
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Okay.
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When you came here, when you were under arrest or
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when you were in custody having your prints taken, then
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when you came.
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Here last night, you were a shambles.
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You were shambles. You were in tears.
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You were very upset.
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You were hunched over. Really nothing that you told us
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today is an indication, why would you be so upset
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if it was only what you told us today?
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Why am I upset? Because I'm upset at the whole situation.
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I'm like, why, I mean, why it's me that is
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happening this when I haven't done anything? And I'm like
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so innocent and I'm like being charged. We're not saying
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that you did anything.
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We think that you know something.
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And it may not be something you know in this
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part of your head, maybe something that you feel in
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the back of your.
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Head as far as.
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By then, detectives were no longer treating Jennifer's disappearance as
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an ordinary missing persons case. They told Michelle the blood
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evidence at Wells Lane pointed to a violent assault and
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that Jennifer was unlikely to be alive. They believed the
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attack happened in the garage and that more than one
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person had been involved in moving her and cleaning up afterwards.
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We don't necessarily think that you had something to do
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with killing her, but we think that you have some
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information that would help us find her.
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I can go with you guys and I can spend
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24 hours looking.
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Michelle, the mess.
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I know.
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The mess of blood that existed.
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Whoever moved her car.
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Moved her car.
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Her car was moved from her house.
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Her personal car. was covered in blood in the driver's seat.
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And she wasn't the one driving, she was.
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In the back.
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With, with, with.
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Amounts of blood that are not, you're not going to
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be alive, okay?
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You understand what I'm saying? And someone drove that car.
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There is no way.
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Otis, Pavel, whoever, I came back and it wasn't obvious
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that something horrible happened.
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And you don't just clean that up.
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They would have had to have.
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Changed their clothes or washed up. And where are they
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going to go and wash up? Where are they going
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to go and wash up?
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The car?
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Where would they go? A couple people are.
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Involved in this.
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She bled a lot.
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She what? She bled a lot.
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And these people are covered in blood.
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They drive the car.
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And even where their hands are on the wheel, it's
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covered in blood. That blood's going to start to dry,
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and dry blood is not easy to get off your skin.
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It's not easy to get off your clothes. We've all
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had it happen.
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Jennifer's body was still missing, but investigators were beginning to
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reconstruct the day through the vehicles connected to it. The
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first was Jennifer's black Suburban. Surveillance showed it returning to
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Wells Lane that morning and later leaving again. Investigators believed
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it had been used to move her from the house.
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Another vehicle was the red Tacoma that Fotis borrowed from
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his employee, Pavel. Investigators believed it was connected to Fotis'
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movements in New Canaan that morning. Michelle was also tied
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to what happened with the Tacoma after Fotis returned to Farmington.
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Pavel testified that she had the truck's keys when he
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came to retrieve it. Prosecutors argued that Michel held onto
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the keys to give Fotis more time with the truck.
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Once I got to 80 Mountain Spring Road to pick
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up my truck, there was no key for it. And
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he told me not to mention that, not to mention
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that Michel had a key.
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Pavel eventually got the keys back, but when Fotis returned
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the truck, it had been cleaned and detailed. what's up
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with my truck?
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Why did you clean it?
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And he smiled at me and he says, because you
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were never going to do it. And I told him, seriously,
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why did you clean my truck? And he says, don't
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worry about it. There's nothing going on. I went to
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Jennifer's house for Mother's Day.
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I gave her a hug. I told the cat.
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And then I.
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Came back and I was.
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And that wasn't the only strange thing Fotis said. He
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told Pavel that he should replace the truck's seats because
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they looked ghetto and would make it harder to sell.
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But Pavel noticed something else when Fotis returned the truck.
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His appearance.
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I told him.
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What are you doing? You shave your head? You're wearing
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dirty work clothes. You're trying to be as handsome as me?
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When Fotis returned to Tacoma, he was wearing dirty work
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clothes and had recently cut his hair. Pavel testified that
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Fotis' appearance looked unusually similar to his own. Prosecutors later
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argued that the resemblance may have been deliberate. By then,
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police had found Jennifer's Suburban abandoned near her home. She'd
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been expected to drive it to New York that day.
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Parts of the interior had been removed, and testing revealed
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blood evidence connected to Jennifer. Surveillance footage caught a figure
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looking a lot like Fotis riding a child's bike from
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the park to Jennifer's home around the time she disappeared.
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Detectives found disassembled parts of that bike in trash cans
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along the route. As police reviewed additional surveillance footage, they
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found another vehicle, Fotis' black Ford Raptor. And Michelle was
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with him. In the footage, the Raptor made stop after
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stop along Albany Avenue in Hartford. Not one or two,
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but dozens. Cameras from gas stations, city systems, and private
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businesses captured Fotis getting out near public trash bins and
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discarding bags and other items. If you think there's any
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privacy at all in 2026, you are severely mistaken. We're
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already in the cage, and the cage is monitored 24-7.
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Investigators retraced the route one stop at a time. Some
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of the garbage had already been collected, compacted, and buried,
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under tons of city waste. But police recovered items that
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included blood-soaked sponges, paper towels, a blood-stained bra, and zip ties.
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Testing connected the blood to Jennifer. Prosecutors identified Fotis as
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the man seen disposing of the evidence. The footage also
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placed Michelle inside the Raptor throughout the entire route.
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Uh-oh.
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At one stop, she leaned out of the passenger side window,
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reaching down, just as Fotis was throwing something down a drain.
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She later said she was wiping gum off her fingers.
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Detectives pressed Jennifer about what Fotis had been throwing away,
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and whether the bags might help them find Jennifer. The bags.
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Oh, no, go ahead.
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But I heard that you said that you might think
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that there's pieces of Jennifer.
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We are concerned that that's the case. Okay, that's why
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I'm saying what you're saying.
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We want to find Jennifer.
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Okay.
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We want to find her.
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For her family.
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We want to find out what happened to her.
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Even this bag, all right, are.
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We going to find her at Fort Jefferson Crossing or
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any part of her?
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I mean, you guys, I can go with you.
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I can decode.
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I can do whatever you want.
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Michelle maintained that she had no idea what Fotis was
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even doing, even though surveillance placed her in the truck
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with Fotis throughout the disposal route, in a part of
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Hartford they said they rarely visited. Her DNA was later
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found on one of the discarded bags and on the
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seat of the Tacoma. The question was whether she had
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been following his lead without understanding whether she was truly
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a complete moron or whether she knew a lot more
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than she was admitting. Detectives had already pulled Fotis' phone
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records and The data made it look as though his
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phone stayed at the Farmington house that morning. But investigators
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believed surveillance placed Fotis in New Canaan. So, if he
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was gone, why was his phone still showing activity at home?
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They began to suspect that someone else may have been
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handling it to help create an alibi. And they wanted
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to know whether that person was Michelle.
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Michelle.
495
00:30:29.910 --> 00:30:33.529
Michelle denied knowing anything about that. During the interviews, she
496
00:30:33.569 --> 00:30:39.410
offered long, detailed answers, often circling but never directly answering
497
00:30:39.470 --> 00:30:41.609
the questions detectives were asking.
498
00:30:42.309 --> 00:30:44.240
You said he went to the Hartford before, does it all,
499
00:30:44.250 --> 00:30:46.529
he does it. No, I said that we've done it
500
00:30:46.569 --> 00:30:49.269
in the past, not me, not in that area.
501
00:30:49.750 --> 00:30:53.329
I've done it, not me, don't, but he's done it
502
00:30:53.509 --> 00:30:57.299
with me in Avon, in the club, in the pond,
503
00:30:57.650 --> 00:30:58.200
we've done it.
504
00:30:58.569 --> 00:31:00.019
Which you're a member of. You're a member of.
505
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:00.210
Yes.
506
00:31:00.380 --> 00:31:00.660
Okay.
507
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:01.200
Yes.
508
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:01.700
That's fine.
509
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.480
You have a dumpster and you want to throw something.
510
00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:04.200
I get that.
511
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:04.980
Yes.
512
00:31:05.099 --> 00:31:05.440
Okay.
513
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.539
I just want to, I kind of want to stop
514
00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:10.000
you for a second. Especially now that it's a straight plan.
515
00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:10.500
Maybe.
516
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.329
All right.
517
00:31:13.329 --> 00:31:14.089
12 times I've been in.
518
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:14.650
All right.
519
00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:15.089
Yeah.
520
00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:19.210
I'll stay to turn it around. This is not a
521
00:31:19.349 --> 00:31:22.710
meeting the way we want to expand. We don't want
522
00:31:22.730 --> 00:31:25.470
to expand. We don't want to name a whole bunch
523
00:31:25.509 --> 00:31:28.640
of things. We want to focus in. and what we
524
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.720
believe you know.
525
00:31:29.740 --> 00:31:33.599
Right now, like I told you before, you're under arrest
526
00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:35.500
for certain things, not for murder.
527
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.920
Accessory?
528
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.160
What?
529
00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:40.200
Accessory?
530
00:31:40.700 --> 00:31:41.700
No, you're not.
531
00:31:41.809 --> 00:31:42.910
No, no, no, no, no.
532
00:31:43.769 --> 00:31:44.710
You need to know.
533
00:31:44.730 --> 00:31:45.509
Listen to me.
534
00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:48.670
Try to listen. You need to know.
535
00:31:50.029 --> 00:31:54.710
You went down in the community with Phobos on Friday
536
00:31:55.009 --> 00:31:57.289
the 24th and murdered Chad Furman.
537
00:31:58.339 --> 00:32:00.759
And where her body is. That's why we are here.
538
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.259
We are not here to.
539
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.980
Go back several times. I've heard you going back to
540
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.640
the strip. I want to go back to the strip.
541
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:15.519
I want to go forward. You have to know you
542
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:19.640
live with photos. You live with them during that time.
543
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.369
Let's not go back to this.
544
00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:26.589
The divorce and custody battle had gotten ugly. Michelle referred
545
00:32:26.609 --> 00:32:32.000
to Jennifer as a According to witness testimony, she mocked her,
546
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.500
belittled her, and said more than once, I want to
547
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:40.099
kill her. On one occasion, the family dog, still living
548
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.400
with Fotis and Michelle, had to be put down. Fotis
549
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.640
was upset that the children could not say goodbye because
550
00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:52.940
a custody order allowed only supervised visits. According to testimony,
551
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.059
Michelle said Jennifer should be buried right next to the dog. Still,
552
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:03.869
it was possible Michelle believed what Fotis had told her
553
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:07.849
about Jennifer and knew nothing about what he was planning.
554
00:33:08.690 --> 00:33:09.849
We feel confident.
555
00:33:10.289 --> 00:33:11.029
Listen to me.
556
00:33:11.049 --> 00:33:14.369
We feel confident in a few things.
557
00:33:14.390 --> 00:33:17.230
First of all, I'm not saying you planned this. There
558
00:33:17.269 --> 00:33:20.210
was a lot of pre-planning that went into this.
559
00:33:20.990 --> 00:33:24.980
We're trying to find out what he did. We wouldn't
560
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.339
be here I wouldn't have talked to your attorney and
561
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.529
asked you to come in if I thought in a
562
00:33:31.589 --> 00:33:34.769
second that you knew what he was going to do.
563
00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:36.150
I wouldn't.
564
00:33:36.309 --> 00:33:38.450
I wouldn't waste our time because I would have just said, oh,
565
00:33:38.769 --> 00:33:40.910
arrest her. We're here.
566
00:33:40.930 --> 00:33:46.740
Let me ask you a very simple question. What do
567
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:52.220
you think happened to Jennifer Duras? Well, you said.
568
00:33:53.170 --> 00:33:55.210
No, no, no, no.
569
00:33:55.509 --> 00:33:56.069
No, no, no.
570
00:33:56.089 --> 00:34:00.690
They're asking you.
571
00:34:01.099 --> 00:34:05.380
For only your knowledge. Not what you read in the newspaper,
572
00:34:05.420 --> 00:34:07.000
not what you think the.
573
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.420
I think that she's.
574
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.719
Still somewhere, I hope, hiding.
575
00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:15.500
You guys said that you find blood, so obviously she's
576
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:16.719
not hiding from you.
577
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:20.260
Let me ask you a question. You have how many children?
578
00:34:21.469 --> 00:34:21.590
One.
579
00:34:22.590 --> 00:34:23.289
In the cold.
580
00:34:23.610 --> 00:34:24.309
She's 12?
581
00:34:24.309 --> 00:34:24.409
Yes.
582
00:34:25.349 --> 00:34:28.860
Would you ever leave your 12-year-old daughter, listen, would you
583
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.739
ever leave and go hide and not tell your 12-year-old
584
00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:33.539
daughter where you are?
585
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:35.940
Why not?
586
00:34:37.219 --> 00:34:40.030
Fotis had told Michelle that Jennifer had struggled with her
587
00:34:40.090 --> 00:34:45.269
mental health and had disappeared before. Michelle still seemed to
588
00:34:45.349 --> 00:34:49.590
wonder whether she had run away. Detectives weren't buying it.
589
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.210
No, listen, the question was.
590
00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:55.389
My question is, my only.
591
00:34:55.050 --> 00:34:57.949
Answer that I can give is because from my understanding,
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00:34:58.489 --> 00:35:01.210
she has a borderline personality disorder.
593
00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:03.639
But you got that information from POTUS.
594
00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:05.639
This is a man who killed his wife.
595
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:06.340
POTUS.
596
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:08.420
She told me he was going to kill her. Yes,
597
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:09.340
I got it from POTUS.
598
00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:11.630
Yes, I got it from POTUS and there's a.
599
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:12.780
Michelle.
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00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.059
Michelle.
601
00:35:18.909 --> 00:35:22.489
Well, I'll be honest with you, Jennifer's on my mind.
602
00:35:22.510 --> 00:35:26.550
Because I worry every day and every night about Jennifer.
603
00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:28.809
So I apologize for calling you the name of the
604
00:35:28.829 --> 00:35:31.610
person who's been missing now for more than two years.
605
00:35:32.829 --> 00:35:33.429
So shut up.
606
00:35:33.590 --> 00:35:37.829
Here's the thing. We're here to find out where she is.
607
00:35:38.929 --> 00:35:44.019
We don't think that you have to want to orchestrate this.
608
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.440
Our impression of Otis... is that he is a manipulative,
609
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.260
controlling person.
610
00:35:50.570 --> 00:35:51.510
That's everybody.
611
00:35:51.550 --> 00:35:55.730
Based on information. Everybody's in question. Everybody is.
612
00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:59.510
He wanted to get rid of his wife, and he
613
00:35:59.530 --> 00:36:03.530
did that. And we're looking to find her for her
614
00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:04.309
family's sake.
615
00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:08.940
Kill the mother of his five children.
616
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.559
And we want help from you.
617
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.940
At times, Michelle became emotional and continued to insist that,
618
00:36:15.329 --> 00:36:19.929
She knew nothing about Jennifer's disappearance. Then detectives confronted her
619
00:36:20.050 --> 00:36:22.010
with something else Fotis had been hiding.
620
00:36:22.769 --> 00:36:27.590
Wait, Fotis was trying to get back together with Jennifer?
621
00:36:27.630 --> 00:36:28.210
What, what, what?
622
00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:29.019
I said it.
623
00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:45.210
Here he kills the mother of his five children.
624
00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:48.289
And according to his, you know, from what we hear from.
625
00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:51.909
Other people and his phone, he appeared to have been
626
00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:53.090
wanting to get back.
627
00:36:52.869 --> 00:36:55.429
With that woman.
628
00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:58.349
Who wanted to get back to her?
629
00:36:58.369 --> 00:37:01.769
The love of your life. The man you.
630
00:37:01.710 --> 00:37:02.809
Sleep with every night.
631
00:37:02.829 --> 00:37:03.409
Text message.
632
00:37:03.849 --> 00:37:06.269
We have the text messages from Polis and Jennifer.
633
00:37:06.289 --> 00:37:07.550
We're going back to March.
634
00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:09.780
We have it.
635
00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:10.679
But why in March?
636
00:37:10.699 --> 00:37:12.409
Do you We haven't stolen.
637
00:37:12.429 --> 00:37:13.230
We have everything.
638
00:37:13.250 --> 00:37:14.110
I know, but for what?
639
00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:17.210
Michelle, Michelle, when he tells you... Let me tell you
640
00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:18.210
something about photos.
641
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:19.030
Yeah, no, Michelle.
642
00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:20.630
Michelle, we're not trying.
643
00:37:20.389 --> 00:37:22.559
To tell you. We want to tell you something that
644
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:23.860
everyone in this room.
645
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.139
Is probably going to agree with. Photos lies to everyone.
646
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:28.300
And the reason he lies.
647
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.139
To everyone is he cares about one person in the world.
648
00:37:31.539 --> 00:37:34.780
That's himself. He didn't care about his first wife. He
649
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.909
didn't care about his second wife. He doesn't care about you.
650
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.500
Now, Michelle was hearing that Fotis had been trying to
651
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:45.840
reconcile with Jennifer, the same woman prosecutors said he was
652
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:52.789
determined to remove from his life. So, why kill her? Well,
653
00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:57.030
money was part of it. Jennifer's family had invested millions
654
00:37:57.150 --> 00:38:02.039
in 4Group, and the divorce threatened the company's future. But
655
00:38:02.139 --> 00:38:05.699
Fotis was also facing a loss of custody, access to
656
00:38:05.739 --> 00:38:09.369
his children, his home. and the life he'd built around them.
657
00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:16.309
The courts can be absolutely brutal to men, and he
658
00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:20.840
was sophisticated enough to know that. Then the case changed again,
659
00:38:21.739 --> 00:38:25.559
not because of something detectives uncovered, but because of what
660
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.960
Fotis did next.
661
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:34.059
Thank you.
662
00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:04.860
Investigators believed they knew what had happened to Jennifer Dulos.
663
00:39:06.019 --> 00:39:08.860
She'd been attacked in the garage of her New Canaan home,
664
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.400
and Fotis had used multiple vehicles to move her and
665
00:39:13.460 --> 00:39:19.610
dispose of the evidence. Her body was never found. The
666
00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:24.809
evidence extended beyond New Canaan. Neighbors near Fotis' Farmington home
667
00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:28.889
reported smoke coming from the chimney, despite temperatures being in
668
00:39:28.909 --> 00:39:34.820
the mid-80s. Investigators later recovered charred remains of clothing, plastic,
669
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.570
and zip ties from the ashes. Michelle was at home
670
00:39:39.610 --> 00:39:42.949
at the time, but she denied knowing what had been burned.
671
00:39:44.170 --> 00:39:48.510
So she was either the world's biggest idiot, or she
672
00:39:48.550 --> 00:39:53.500
was involved. Evidence also placed Michelle beside Fotis during the
673
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:58.739
Hartford disposal route. Her DNA was found on one of
674
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:04.420
the discarded bags. Detectives also recovered a handwritten timeline in
675
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.760
her handwriting that appeared to support their account of the
676
00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:13.000
day Jennifer disappeared. Michelle eventually acknowledged that she and Fotis
677
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.400
had worked on it together. She said they were trying
678
00:40:16.420 --> 00:40:21.139
to remember the day accurately, not deceive investigators. And just
679
00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:25.090
as the state prepared to put Fotis Doulos on trial,
680
00:40:26.349 --> 00:40:27.010
he killed himself.
681
00:40:27.789 --> 00:40:31.250
Fotis Doulos' attorney Norm Pattis delivered the news here outside
682
00:40:31.269 --> 00:40:34.489
Jacoby Medical Center this afternoon that Doulos was declared dead
683
00:40:34.530 --> 00:40:38.639
just after 5.30 this evening. This follows a suicide attempt
684
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.219
two days ago when Doulos was discovered unresponsive inside a
685
00:40:42.260 --> 00:40:45.440
vehicle in the garage of his Farmington, Connecticut home the
686
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.760
same day he was to appear in court for a
687
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.929
bond hearing. He was airlifted to Jacoby Medical Center with
688
00:40:51.010 --> 00:40:54.630
carbon monoxide poisoning. Dulos was accused in the murder of
689
00:40:54.670 --> 00:40:57.309
his estranged wife, Jennifer, who went missing in May of
690
00:40:57.349 --> 00:40:59.469
last year and has never been found.
691
00:41:00.769 --> 00:41:04.059
Fotis' death meant the state would never put its accused
692
00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:08.420
killer on trial. Jennifer was still missing, and he could
693
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:11.280
no longer be questioned, convicted, or forced to account for
694
00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:15.369
what had happened to her. That left only one person.
695
00:41:15.389 --> 00:41:16.650
Michelle.
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00:41:16.670 --> 00:41:17.070
Michelle.
697
00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:23.280
Michelle Draconis' trial would not determine where Jennifer was or
698
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.610
produce a murder verdict against Fotis, but it would determine
699
00:41:29.010 --> 00:41:33.429
whether Michelle had knowingly joined the conspiracy and helped cover
700
00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:37.550
it up. More than four years after Jennifer was murdered,
701
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:42.599
Michelle Draconis finally went on trial in a Stanford courtroom
702
00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:47.820
lined with cameras and reporters. She faced six felony charges.
703
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:53.739
including conspiracy to commit murder, evidence tampering, and hindering prosecution.
704
00:41:54.969 --> 00:41:57.530
The jury saw two different versions of who she was.
705
00:41:58.630 --> 00:42:02.530
Prosecutors said Michelle was not an unsuspecting girlfriend caught in
706
00:42:02.570 --> 00:42:07.840
Fotis' lies. They argued that her changing accounts, the written timeline,
707
00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:12.019
the Hartford surveillance, and her DNA on a discarded bag
708
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:17.449
showed that she was knowingly helping him. The defense said
709
00:42:17.489 --> 00:42:20.789
Fotis had manipulated her. She was just a dumb woman
710
00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:25.489
that can be easily manipulated. That was the defense. She
711
00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:28.489
had no role in Jennifer's death. She had no idea
712
00:42:28.670 --> 00:42:32.110
what was going on. And that confusion and the language
713
00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:36.090
difference and the poor memory, that was all just, you know,
714
00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:41.300
stuff that happened to Michelle. She was innocent. It was
715
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.739
Fotis who had done all this, and she had no involvement.
716
00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:51.769
Are you buying that? Well, Assistant State Attorney Sean McGinnis
717
00:42:51.849 --> 00:42:53.829
had this to say in his closing arguments.
718
00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:58.760
Once you conclude that Mr. Doulos is responsible for the
719
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.300
death of his wife, you then go to the next questions,
720
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:07.460
which are, is this defendant legally responsible for her death?
721
00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:13.349
Is this defendant legally responsible for conspiring to tamper with evidence,
722
00:43:13.570 --> 00:43:16.110
for acting as an accessory to tamper with evidence?
723
00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:21.690
Was the defendant motivated to.
724
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.119
Harm Jennifer Dulos?
725
00:43:23.139 --> 00:43:27.920
I want you to make no mistake about this. This
726
00:43:27.980 --> 00:43:33.699
defendant hated Jennifer Dulos. She referred to her as a
727
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.000
bitch who should be buried.
728
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:36.619
Next to the dog.
729
00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:41.139
Prosecutors also pointed to Michelle's own comments about Jennifer.
730
00:43:41.829 --> 00:43:45.289
She said, you people are toxic, referring to Fotis Dulos
731
00:43:45.349 --> 00:43:49.230
and Jennifer Dulos. She said that since she moved to Connecticut,
732
00:43:49.269 --> 00:43:51.269
it had been two years of torture.
733
00:43:52.309 --> 00:43:54.170
She even admitted, if you caught it.
734
00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:57.829
That she demanded that Fotis Dulos go to therapy with
735
00:43:57.869 --> 00:43:59.309
her because of Jennifer Dulos.
736
00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:03.969
But her comments about Jennifer weren't the only thing prosecutors
737
00:44:04.070 --> 00:44:09.039
found troubling. They also challenged how Michelle explained being on
738
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:11.980
the passenger side of Pavel's Tacoma that day.
739
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.659
That is completely contrary to the evidence. And I also
740
00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:17.769
just want to say this. And I don't quite know
741
00:44:17.809 --> 00:44:20.289
where this fits in. That's for you guys as the
742
00:44:20.329 --> 00:44:26.550
fact finders to decide. There's something unsettling about the defendant
743
00:44:27.070 --> 00:44:30.489
and Mr. Dulos fooling around on the passenger side of
744
00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:36.309
that Tacoma on May 24th, 2019. The defendant in this
745
00:44:36.389 --> 00:44:45.849
case repeatedly lied to investigators. Repeatedly lied to investigators. What
746
00:44:45.869 --> 00:44:49.920
does that say about the culpability? What does that say
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about what she knew in advance? What does that say
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about what she knew was going to happen to Jennifer
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Dulos and what she knew they did after the fact?
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Why is someone who is innocent lying so much? That's
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a question for you to answer.
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The jury now had to decide whether Michelle had merely
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believed Fotis' lies or knowingly joined Fotis' plan and helped
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conceal the crime. And on March 1st, 2024, the jury
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answered that question. They found Michelle Draconis guilty on six
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felony counts. Conspiracy to commit murder. Two counts of tampering
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with physical evidence. And two counts of conspiracy to tamper
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with evidence. Also hindering prosecution. A judge would later vacate
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one of the conspiracy to tamper convictions on double jeopardy grounds.
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Before the sentencing, Michelle spoke to the judge. She focused
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on her innocence, the impact on her family, and the
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people who continued to support her.
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Your Honor, I am deeply saddened by this tragedy that
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has affected so many lives. I found out things before
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and during trial about a man, Fotistulo, I thought I
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knew and loved. I deeply regret ever being in a
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relationship with Fotis Toulos and bringing my daughter, my family,
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and myself into our lives, into his life. I am
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a person of profound faith and I have been praying
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and will continue to pray for those who suffered and
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still suffer. I am thankful to my whole family and
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my dear friends who have stood by me and support me.
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Don't you just hate it when profoundly evil people bring
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up the name of the Lord like that? Like they're
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on the same team? Jennifer's youngest daughter then addressed the
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court and described the consequences that her family continued. to
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live with.
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Your Honor, Michelle Triconis and her actions have affected my
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life in many ways. I've now lost the two people
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I've loved most.
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In this world.
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My mom will now never get to see me or
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my siblings grow up, something I had known she had
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always wanted. I'm now growing up without my mother. This
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is something no child should ever have to do.
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Her life was cut short and Michelle was a contributor.
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Finding closure is impossible considering Michelle never gave any information
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about where my mother is and what actually happened on
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May 24th, 2019. Because of that day, I constantly feel
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like something worse is bound to happen to the people
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I love and it can be my last moments with
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them at any minute. I remember seeing these stories on
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the news and thinking they were just simply crazy stories
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and it would never happen to my family or me.
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But because it did, I feel scared that it will
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happen again and again to everyone I love most. Most
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of all, I feel betrayed by Michelle. I vividly remember
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her on ski trips when I was scared to sleep
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at night or her picking me off my bunk bed
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because I was scared to go down on my own.
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And I remember trusting her. I don't understand how she
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could be so selfish. And it scares me to put
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my trust in other people now because of Michelle Draconis.
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She's made my family and me suffer. Because of this,
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I believe she should serve the consequences of her actions.
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And I believe she should receive the maximum sentence. Thank you,
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Your Honor.
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Thank you.
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On May 24th, Michelle Traconis was sentenced to 20 years
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in prison. She will serve 14 and a half years,
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followed by five years probation. She continues to appeal. her conviction.
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Gloria Farber, Jennifer's mother, is still pursuing a civil lawsuit
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to recover millions that her family gave to Fotis for
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his business. The verdict held Michelle criminally responsible for conspiring
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with Fotis and helping conceal the crime. But it could
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not answer every question. Fotis' death left Jennifer's family without
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a trial. without a verdict against him, and without an
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answer about where he'd put her, where she would lie
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for all eternity. Jennifer and Fotis' children were left to
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grow up without either parent, a verdict worse than anything
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I've mentioned so far. To this day, Jennifer's body has
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not been found. But, She left behind her own words
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about the ordinary moments with her children that meant the
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most to her. She said, The best part of my
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night now, hands down, is when I give our baby, Noelle,
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a bath and then her bottle in my arms. She
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falls asleep safe up against my chest.
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I love it. It's my peace, solace, and and quiet reward.
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And even if we are meeting friends out for dinner
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or I am rushing to a movie with my husband Fotis,
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I make sure that I do that first. It's my passion,
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my joy, my connection.
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Rest in peace, Jennifer. Well, we hope you enjoyed that one, ladies. Audiences,
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70% female. You know, I never thought about this before,
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but some of you may listen to murder stories to
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figure out how to do them. Just hit me. Watch
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your back, 30%. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you
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next week.