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00:00:07.519What's going on everybody?
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00:00:09.439Nate here and Aaron Halderman.
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00:00:11.279Great time to join us today.
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00:00:12.880But yeah, we're going to go over some.
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00:00:14.080This is going to be a quick one.
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00:00:24.719Quick, informational, short, but really just to get you guys teed up and ready to start self-directing or making IRA contributions, basically investing tax-free from 2026.
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00:00:27.120Okay, so let's just go high-level real quick.
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00:00:32.399The types of accounts that we have here at Directed IRA that you often see at other banks or custodians.
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00:00:39.679Now, when you look at it, we break it down into three categories.
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00:00:50.079But these are the six types of accounts that you can invest in alternatives, completely tax-free.
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00:00:53.600Your personal plans would be your traditional IRA and Roth IRA.
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00:00:59.439Now, note I didn't say self-directed account because really they're just IRAs, a self-directed IRA.
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00:01:01.520Self-directed is just a marketing term.
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00:01:08.079We just use it in our business to indicate that our clients have to tell us what the investment is.
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00:01:15.599But when that when that happens, that gives you a bigger uh spectrum of investments that you can invest in.
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00:01:23.760But traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs can both be established here at Directed IRA.
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00:01:32.560Some of you viewers might have both.
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00:01:36.719You might work a nine to five job, you've got some W 2 income and you work a side hustle.
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00:01:50.959You have another option on the menu to make contributions to and invest completely tax-free, whether that's through a self-directed SEP IRA or the mighty powerful and very popular here, uh, the Solo 401k.
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00:01:53.680And that's again for small business owners.
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00:02:11.599And then anybody who's got healthcare needs, healthcare expenses, if you have a high deductible health plan and you're looking for additional tax deductions and additional ways that you can invest a bucket of money completely tax-free, not to fund retirement, but to pay for your healthcare expenses for you, your spouse, and your dependents.
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00:02:15.120What a great tool, the self-directed health savings account.
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00:02:44.960And similarly, if you have kids, particularly under the age of 18, if you haven't set these up yet, the self-directed Coverdale Education Savings Accounts, the one and only education-related account in the self-directed world that can be invested into alternatives, but your distributions almost work like a Roth IRA, but you can take them out anytime to pay for your children's or grandchildren's education expenses, things like tuition, books, computers, room and board, a whole list of things.
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00:02:49.759So when you look at these accounts, again, by definition, these are all tax-exempt trusts.
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00:02:51.919You're just the fiduciary to the trust.
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00:02:54.960You put money into these little trusts as contributions.
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00:02:59.599We act as your custodian of the trust, and then you tell us what they invest in.
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00:03:04.479And when you have them with us, the investment options get very, very, uh, very, very wide.
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00:03:14.319So Yeah, and if you haven't done that, we're going to go over some key deadlines here in a minute, but you still have time, especially for the HSA to get that open.
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00:03:15.360And let me say this.
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00:03:21.919I know one of the challenges that we sometimes have, especially like from a self-directed account, is like, well, what do I invest in?
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00:03:31.840And, you know, especially with some of these smaller balanced or low-dollar accounts that you have these smaller contributions like the HSA, like the ESA.
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00:03:42.879And so one of the things that we did a handful of years ago is we created a special uh account type that was a crypto HSA and a crypto ESA.
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00:03:50.000And the reason we did that is because you could then invest that type of account with those funds into crypto of your choice.
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00:03:52.159And we partnered with Jim and I to do that.
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00:03:55.199So there's an example of something that you could do.
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00:04:11.919Otherwise, it's it's a little difficult to think if you're only contributing, you know, five, six, seven thousand dollars, these kind of, let's call it anything below 20,000 that might fall below a minimum um requirement for going into a small business or a private fund or private stocks of any kind.
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00:04:14.560Um, other than that, you're just kind of in the market.
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00:04:20.319So that's what one of the reasons we did those types of accounts and also, you know, precious metals as well.
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00:04:21.120So we have a few options.
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00:04:30.240Yeah, there's definitely some options, and there's definitely a solution we offer that not a lot of other custodians offer through our law firm, KKOS, which is the Checkbook IRA LLC.
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00:04:42.399Uh, I've had a lot of clients use this to their advantage when you've got, let's say, a Roth IRA for yourself, you've got a Roth IRA for your spouse, you might have a, you know, SEP IRA for your business, and you've got these small HSAs and ESAs.
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00:04:46.720Well, how do you invest them when the HSAs and ESAs are smaller than your IRAs?
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00:04:53.600Well, we've had the solution, which is you can set up a multimember LLC that our law firm KKOS will set up.
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00:04:56.959Uh, that multimember LLC can be owned by all your accounts.
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00:05:12.959I've actually seen clients use this to their advantage and get a small$10,000,$15,000 HSA into a$100,000 investment syndication or multi-family syndication because they partnered the HSA with their Roth, with their wife's account, with their other accounts.
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00:05:23.519You can ask one of our IRA account executives for more particulars on that.
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00:05:32.879Nate, can you transfer in-kind um assets over to an HSA from another IRA account?
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00:05:36.319Yes, you can.
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00:05:38.560So there, oh, we're gonna get into fun HSA facts.
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00:05:39.279Don't get me on that.
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00:05:50.560But this is good because we were talking about crypto here, and somebody was like, Well, I'd love to do a crypto HSA, but I have crypto like in my traditional IRA.
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00:05:53.519Could I move that over and do something like that?
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00:05:54.240You can.
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00:05:55.839Yeah, it's it's considered a contribution.
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00:05:57.120You can do it one time in your life.
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00:06:05.519It's an HSA, IRA to HSA transfer, but it's actually uh pretty well, I guess we'll wait till we get to have it on the slides.
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00:06:13.040So let's jump into some particulars about each of these accounts and talk about contribution changes, contribution limits, uh, and so forth.
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00:06:20.319So when you look at the traditional IRA and Roth IRA, and by the way, if anybody wants um a copy of this PowerPoint slide, just shoot me an email.
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00:06:25.040Michelle, if you could type my email address in the chat there, we'll give you a copy of these slides.
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00:06:31.600Um but I took the liberty of making some pros and cons of a traditional IRA and Roth IRA, but these are just your individual accounts.
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00:06:36.399Anybody with earned income can make contributions to a traditional or a Roth.
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00:06:38.000Most of you understand the difference.
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00:06:40.879A traditional IRA going in, you take the tax deduction.
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00:06:44.079It just defers the tax on the investment growth to the future.
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00:06:46.240Uh, but a lot of people like the Roth IRA.
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00:06:53.360They say, you know, I'd rather pay the tax on the small amount going in and then take the distributions from the investment earnings completely tax-free.
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00:06:57.680Either way you do it, money going in, all you need is earned income.
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00:07:04.639Okay, and that's usually Schedule C income, 1099 income, or more popular uh W2 income.
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00:07:14.160It does not allow for Social Security income or disability income to be the income to justify a contribution, but any working active income will allow you to make a contribution.
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00:07:18.319Now, the reason I'm making that point is there's no age restrictions on these.
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00:07:20.800We even have minor Roth IRAs.
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00:07:33.279If your children are working, maybe they're working for your business, maybe they work a small job in the summer, their income, even if they're not taxed on it, their income can be used to make contributions to a Roth at any age.
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00:07:34.160I always tell this story.
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00:07:37.839I have a nine-year-old with a$75,000 Roth IRA.
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00:07:39.040Can you believe that?
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00:07:43.279Grandma set her Roth IRA up for her granddaughter at the age of four.
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00:07:47.040She put her on a cover of one of her books, paid her a modeling fee that year.
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00:07:49.600Again, age doesn't matter, just you got to show the income.
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00:07:54.639And then they invested those uh self-directed Roth IRAs into some land and yada yada yada.
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00:07:55.360You get the point.
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00:07:58.560But age is not a restriction here, it's just income.
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00:08:07.279One one quick thing to note on the slides, we'll have that corrected, but we will get the the the slides and the recordings up after this.
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00:08:11.040The date, the limits up there for 2026.
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00:08:14.399But 2020, these are 2025 contribution limits.
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00:08:19.199So the 2025 going to April 15th, it's 7,500.
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00:08:20.480Oh, that's what he did.
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00:08:21.600Yep, yep.
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00:08:22.240My bad.
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00:08:26.240Yeah, because they they always give us these ones first, and it is a little confusing.
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00:08:30.720They give us the increased contribution limits for 2025 uh earlier.
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00:08:40.480So these are contribution limits for 2025, which is 7,500 if you're under the age of 50, and 8,100 if you're above the age of 50.
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00:08:46.159So they did increase the catch-up contribution by 1100 instead of a thousand.
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00:08:51.600Am I good on that?
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00:08:54.7992025 is still 7,000.
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00:08:57.200Okay, I apologize.
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00:08:57.919That was my mistake.
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00:08:59.679So these are 2026 contributions.
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00:09:00.9607,000 and 1,000.
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00:09:05.6797,000 and$1,000 contribute uh uh catch-up contribution for 2025.
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00:09:06.559These are 2026.
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00:09:07.600That's what I thought you were doing.
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00:09:09.120Yeah, that's the 26th.
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00:09:10.720So it is a typo.
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00:09:14.159Okay, so it's 7,000 and extra 1,000 if it's over 50.
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00:09:14.480Right.
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00:09:15.600But we'll get that updated.
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00:09:18.879Okay, even Nate Hare sometimes makes mistakes.
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00:09:19.759Okay, people.
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00:09:22.480At least I waited until the final webinar of the year.
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00:09:25.919Yeah, good, yeah, good on yeah, yeah, you the one a year.
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00:09:26.799That's your one a year.
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00:09:27.600I mean one a year.
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00:09:29.279I just got it out of the very end of the year.
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00:09:36.799So just to repeat, so 2025 contributions, 7,000 if you're under 50, 8,000 if you're above 50, we'll get that changed.
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00:09:39.120Um, and it's for 2026.
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00:09:45.360Now, the reason why that's important, 2026 contributions is we're a few days away from 2026.
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00:09:55.279So you can, even if you haven't made your 2025 contribution yet, those contribution deadlines go until our tax filing deadline, which is typically April 15th.
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00:10:00.000Okay, but once we hit the new year, you can make 2026 contributions.
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00:10:09.600The interesting thing about that is studies and audits have shown that people with larger IRA balances make their contributions early in the year.
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00:10:13.679They don't wait until tax filing deadline to make their contribution.
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00:10:20.480So if you're really trying to maximize the growth in these tax-free accounts, is you want to get your contribution in early.
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00:10:27.360So between now and let's say April 15th, the next year, you can make 2025 contributions and 2026 contributions.
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00:10:30.559Just make sure you do the proper year designation for that.
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00:10:34.480So you don't want to have to uh redo it.
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00:10:35.519Right, so to speak.
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00:10:39.759So make sure you mark it, you know, fit for 25 or the year 2026.
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00:10:40.000Yes.
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00:10:46.559This also helps you because I I have this call a lot too, where people are just starting out and they say, you know, I've got this investment in mind.
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00:10:50.639It's gonna take$50,000 to make it, but I haven't really saved for retirement yet.
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00:10:57.840Well, this is the type of conversations you have with one of our account representatives, is well, they start kind of mapping it out for you.
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00:11:00.480Well, can you make a 2025 contribution this year?
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00:11:06.240Okay, let's say you're under 50, you could throw$7,000 in from now between now and uh April 15th.
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00:11:10.000Well, once we hit January 1st, now you could throw another$7,500 in.
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00:11:12.159So we're at$14,500.
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00:11:22.320If you're married filing jointly, your spouse, even if a non-working spouse, they can make the same contribution:$7,000 for 2025,$7,500 for 2026.
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00:11:26.399So now we're at, let's see,$14,500 and$14,500, we're at$29,000.
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00:11:28.960Now you still now you start with that.
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00:11:32.159Yeah, that's now I got my head on straight.
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00:11:34.399And then you can start looking at some of the other accounts too.
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00:11:40.000So it's all about that key time between now and April 15th where we can make double your contributions, which is key.
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00:11:49.279Yeah, and for those of you that have questions that we're not able to hit, just be sure to pop over to our website at directed IRA.com, book a call with one of our account reps.
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00:11:52.879They can answer those questions and get you an account set up and going.
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00:11:54.320They'd be happy to do that.
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00:11:56.960The only thing we don't do is give investment advice.
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00:11:58.240No investment advice.
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00:12:01.600All right, so category two, let's jump into the next category.
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00:12:06.879Now, this is for anybody who has Schedule C income or 1099 income.
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00:12:10.399These are the two employer plans that you can establish here.
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00:12:13.360You could self-direct and you can make contributions to.
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00:12:15.600Um, so there's some changes here as well.
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00:12:17.519So we've got the CEP IRA.
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00:12:21.360For all intents and purposes, it's just like a traditional IRA.
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00:12:22.720Uh, people make contributions.
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00:12:30.720A lot of CPAs will push self-employed individuals to set up a SEP IRA and make a large contribution so they can take that large tax deduction.
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00:12:37.840Um, it I say it's like a traditional IRA because the contributions that you put into the SEP are typically tax deductible.
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00:12:45.519But because as an employer plan, you can make contributions well above the$7,000 limit of an IRA.
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00:12:53.519You can make contributions for 2025 up to$70,000 in a CEP IRA.
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00:13:02.480Now, it gets a little different when you have a solo 401k because you've got two people making contributions, but for the CEP, it's just the employer making the contribution.
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00:13:09.440So the tax filing deadline for SEP IRAs is actually your tax filing deadline plus extensions.
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00:13:10.480If applicable.
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00:13:11.840So if applicable.
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00:13:24.399So if you're filing an extension as a business owner, that contribution limit for your SEP could extend all the way out to September 15th or October 15th of next year, still for 2025.
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00:13:30.000Now there is a calculation based on income, but based that's the max that you can put in$70,000.
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00:13:35.4402026, they've increased it by$2,000, so it's$72,000.
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00:13:39.360Now on the solo 401k, it's a little bit different.
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00:13:42.720Again, this is an employer plan you can have as a small business owner.
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00:13:47.679But for most of you who are familiar with$0.00, you usually have two parties that are making contributions.
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00:13:54.799You have the employer making contributions, and then you have the salary deferral of the employee making the contributions.
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00:13:56.639Well, when you're self-employed, guess what?
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00:13:57.519You're both people.
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00:14:00.720So you can make both sets of contributions.
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00:14:10.639So when you look at the employee contributions, contributions you've been making as an employee, uh, those contributions where you're pretty much at the end of the line.
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00:14:17.679Those contributions as an employee have to be done through payroll, and they have to be done by end of the year.
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00:14:25.840So if you're looking to make contributions as the employee for 2025, those have to be done before the end of the year.
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00:14:26.240Okay.
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00:14:34.320The employer contributions, which come after that, that can be done again all the way until your tax filing deadline plus extension.
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00:14:37.519So we're just talking about 2025 contributions here.
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00:14:38.000Okay.
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00:14:55.519And the combination of those two contributions, your employee contributions before end of the year and your employer contribution, can't match, can't exceed$70,000 unless, and this is one of the things the solo 401k has that the CEP doesn't, you have catch-up contributions with a solo 401k.
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00:15:03.360There's no catch-up contributions with the SEP, but the catch up contributions for the Solo 401k for 2025 are 7,500.
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00:15:09.919And they even threw in a new super catch-up contribution for anybody ages between ages 60 and 63.
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00:15:14.639It's 11,250 is the total catch-up contribution you can make.
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00:15:17.679Nate, let's clarify this one comment from uh Leah.
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00:15:18.399Thanks, Leah.
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00:15:21.360Looks like they have uh some friends in the chat.
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00:15:24.320That's always fun to see when people are chatting live in here.
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00:15:30.799So Leah's asking, um, on the solo K it says no income limit on Roth contributions.
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00:15:36.399The question is, but you must have at least the amount of net income as the contribution, correct?
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00:15:36.960Correct.
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00:15:37.360Yeah.
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00:15:37.919Correct.
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00:15:42.320Yeah, you can't make a contribution over what your income is, over what your net income is.
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00:15:50.559But one of the cool things with the solo 401k that's different than the Roth IRAs is we got to work around that income limit that they still have on Roth IRAs.
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00:15:59.360Now there's a way around it with the backdoor Roth, but in the solo 401k, as of the employee contributions, they they don't account for any income limits to make Roth contributions.
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00:16:00.159Yep.
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00:16:01.519Awesome.
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00:16:02.320Okay.
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00:16:04.720So now they did increase this.
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00:16:11.840Like I mentioned in 2026, the income limits do go up for SEPS and solo 401ks to 72,000.
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00:16:17.279They also increased the catch-up contribution to$8,000 for 2026.
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00:16:18.720Okay.
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00:16:20.879All right, moving on.
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00:16:28.799Now we do have a couple charts here as far as other deadlines when it comes to making contributions to a solo 401k, particularly.
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00:16:30.720We're not going to dive too deep into this.
00:16:30.799 -->
00:16:33.279It's also in the article that Matt wrote.
00:16:33.360 -->
00:16:36.480So if anybody wants a copy of this PowerPoint, just shoot me an email.
00:16:36.559 -->
00:16:39.039I'll correct the uh the edits there here in a second.
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00:16:46.240Um, and here's some other things that we're gonna go over here in a second, which leads us really into HSAs and ESAs.
00:16:46.399 -->
00:16:56.879Um, so HSAs and ESAs, uh if you have a high deductible health plan and you qualify for a health savings account, this is might be the might be the best uh item on the menu.
00:16:57.120 -->
00:17:05.200Uh there's a lot of tax advantages to this HSA, and I know a lot of the people that use it get it, but some people just don't get privy to this information.
00:17:05.359 -->
00:17:15.519Um, but as long as you have a high deductible health plan, and it's kind of fuzzy on the numbers, just call your health insurance provider, ask your health insurance provider, is my insurance HSA compatible?
00:17:15.680 -->
00:17:17.279That's the easiest way to find out.
00:17:17.440 -->
00:17:22.240If you're allowed to have this savings account that can be invested, called an HSA.
00:17:22.640 -->
00:17:24.880Here's benefit number one with the HSA.
00:17:25.279 -->
00:17:28.319When you make contributions to an HSA, it's like a traditional IRA.
00:17:28.559 -->
00:17:33.519You get a dollar-for-dollar tax deduction on every penny you put in as a contribution.
00:17:33.759 -->
00:17:39.200So the 2025 contributions can still be made up until your tax filing deadline.
00:17:39.279 -->
00:17:43.680Okay, so just like a traditional Roth, they have the same tax filing deadline.
00:17:43.759 -->
00:17:49.200And the contribution limits for 2025, it's based on who's covered by your insurance.
00:17:49.279 -->
00:17:52.480If it's just a single plan, like I have a single plan, it just covers me.
00:17:52.720 -->
00:17:56.319Uh, the contribution limit for 2025 is$4,300.
00:17:56.640 -->
00:18:02.000You don't need earned income to make this contribution, uh, it but it does give you a tax deduction off of your income.
00:18:02.079 -->
00:18:06.640So$4,300 if you have an insurance plan that's just a single, single coverage.
00:18:06.880 -->
00:18:11.279If you have family coverage, it covers you and a spouse, you and a child, you and somebody else.
00:18:11.599 -->
00:18:12.480That all qualifies.
00:18:12.640 -->
00:18:12.799Yep.
00:18:12.880 -->
00:18:14.160That's a family plan.
00:18:14.400 -->
00:18:19.599Family plan contributions to an HSA go all the way up to$8,550.
00:18:20.400 -->
00:18:24.000This is the first plan that I contribute to every year because it's free money.
00:18:24.160 -->
00:18:30.079You put the money in, you get the deduction, you could take it right back out to pay for medical expenses if you wanted.
00:18:30.240 -->
00:18:35.759It's the same amount of money, but just putting it into the account gets you a tax write-off at the end of the year.
00:18:35.920 -->
00:18:43.119Then it can be invested, just like it can be invested in into other alternatives, in crypto, into precious metals, into real estate.
00:18:43.200 -->
00:18:55.039Uh, but you could take the distributions of the earnings of the HSA out anytime, at any age, uh, is provided it comes out for a qualified medical expense, it comes out tax-free.
00:18:55.119 -->
00:18:59.599So it's tax-free going in, tax-free as you invest it, tax-free coming out.
00:18:59.759 -->
00:19:09.200And one of the things that you mentioned is there is a one-time in your life rule where you can actually make your contribution by just moving money from a traditional or a Roth.
00:19:09.519 -->
00:19:10.640It just doesn't make sense for a Roth.
00:19:10.799 -->
00:19:10.960Yeah.
00:19:11.119 -->
00:19:21.039You can move it from an IRA, those contribution limits, you can just take it from your traditional and move it right into your HSA, provided you qualify to make a contribution.
00:19:21.200 -->
00:19:22.960Now, why would that be beneficial?
00:19:23.200 -->
00:19:27.680Take$8,000 from my traditional IRA and move it over to my HSA.
00:19:28.079 -->
00:19:33.599Well, if you think about it, a lot of people's emergency bucket is that old rollover IRA they had from their old job.
00:19:33.680 -->
00:19:34.079Yeah right?
00:19:34.240 -->
00:19:35.839Rolled into a traditional IRA.
00:19:36.000 -->
00:19:46.799So their knee-jerk reaction when they've got a medical expense hit that's that might be unforeseen, they take they take that eight grand out of the traditional IRA and they pay the taxes on the eight grand.
00:19:47.039 -->
00:19:49.599And if they're under 50, they pay the 10% penalty.
00:19:49.839 -->
00:19:59.680Well, if you haven't used this yet, you can just move eight grand as a tax free transfer from the traditional and move$8,000 or whatever the contribution limit is.
00:20:00.240 -->
00:20:01.440Right over to your HSA.
00:20:01.759 -->
00:20:07.440And as soon as you take the distribution out of your HSA, it's tax-free and penalty free, provided it's being used for a medical expense.
00:20:07.759 -->
00:20:13.680Yeah, let's clarify that real quick because there's a couple of questions that have come in and we just want to bring some clarity to it.
00:20:13.839 -->
00:20:15.279So this is a little unique, right?
00:20:15.440 -->
00:20:19.839So you're going to take the HSA and you're going to self-direct it into an alternative investment.
00:20:20.000 -->
00:20:27.599Historically, let's say if you just set up an HSA at Fidelity, you're investing in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, an ETF of some kind.
00:20:27.759 -->
00:20:36.960But if you're self-directing, and let's say you did what Nate said, let's say you had a traditional IRA, an old 401k that was, you know, tax-deferred money.
00:20:37.039 -->
00:20:41.759Let's say it was like 200 grand, and you decided for whatever reason you were putting that in the HSA.
00:20:42.000 -->
00:20:43.279It could be less, it doesn't matter.
00:20:43.440 -->
00:20:47.599But then you're going to go and use that HSA to go buy a rental property.
00:20:47.839 -->
00:20:49.200You totally can do that.
00:20:49.440 -->
00:20:49.759Okay.
00:20:50.000 -->
00:20:54.400Now those funds are going to stay in that HSA account now.
00:20:54.640 -->
00:21:02.880Now, in order to get them out, though, is the question like, well, how am I then taking a distribution or pulling the money out?
00:21:03.200 -->
00:21:04.480What qualifies to that?
00:21:04.720 -->
00:21:06.960Can I just take it as I see fit?
00:21:07.119 -->
00:21:12.880So it's like I got a rental property, the rental income's going back into my HSA account.
00:21:13.039 -->
00:21:14.240The HSA is growing.
00:21:14.319 -->
00:21:16.880Now all of a sudden I got 300, so it grew 100 grand.
00:21:17.759 -->
00:21:20.000When can what how can I get that money out?
00:21:20.160 -->
00:21:21.359What's what are the criteria?
00:21:21.440 -->
00:21:22.559What's the qualification for that?
00:21:22.799 -->
00:21:25.519So we don't really audit what you take it out for.
00:21:25.680 -->
00:21:39.519So, but there is when you file your taxes, if you took a, let's say you took a$5,000 distribution from your HSA and you want it to be a qualified distribution, tax-free and penalty-free, you're gonna have to keep the receipts on what you use that five grand to pay for.
00:21:39.759 -->
00:21:40.799As a medical expense.
00:21:40.960 -->
00:21:41.839At a medical expense.
00:21:42.000 -->
00:21:44.640So what are the medical expenses that we see quite often?
00:21:44.799 -->
00:21:51.039Uh co-pays, acupuncture, prescriptions, eyewear, glasses, any vision, any dental.
00:21:51.200 -->
00:21:59.200And again, this is for expenses for you, your spouse, even if they're not covered on your insurance, and any dependents in the household.
00:21:59.519 -->
00:22:07.119So you can't just take it for whatever reason to or else it disqualifies the benefit of having that HSA.
00:22:07.440 -->
00:22:07.599Right.
00:22:07.759 -->
00:22:14.400You'd be better off not you know, doing that strategy or that type of investment if that was your intent.
00:22:14.480 -->
00:22:16.079It needs to be a qualified medical expense.
00:22:16.319 -->
00:22:16.480Yeah.
00:22:16.559 -->
00:22:31.839And the point of we were trying to make with the moving from traditional I rate or off or to HSA is you're you're moving it from an account that will forever be taxed, that will be penalized also at 50 or under 50, and you're just moving it to an account that potentially won't be taxed or penalized.
00:22:32.079 -->
00:22:33.920Doesn't mean you have to take the distribution right away.
00:22:34.079 -->
00:22:35.359That's not that's not the point of that.
00:22:35.440 -->
00:22:39.200You're just taking it from a taxable bucket and moving it to a tax-free bucket.
00:22:39.519 -->
00:22:50.000Now, one of the things with the HSA that I like to teach is sometimes it does it makes sense to not take any money out of the HSA because here's how flexible the health savings account is.
00:22:50.400 -->
00:22:57.680It's so flexible, and I'm I'm saying flexible, I'm teasing with this name because a lot of people have confused the HSA with an FSA.
00:22:58.160 -->
00:23:03.599FSAs are those other health savings accounts that if you don't use the money by the end of the year, they take it from you.
00:23:03.759 -->
00:23:05.440It's funny how they trick you with the name.
00:23:05.519 -->
00:23:07.119They try to title it and trick you.
00:23:07.279 -->
00:23:08.240That's not flexible.
00:23:08.640 -->
00:23:11.200The HSA is really truly flexible.
00:23:11.279 -->
00:23:18.240And what I mean by that is let's say I've got an HSA and I've got the high deductible health plan between now and the next 10 years.
00:23:18.640 -->
00:23:24.400I can make contributions to an HSA and take 10 years of tax deductions over those next 10 years.
00:23:24.720 -->
00:23:36.319Now, if I did have medical expenses, I could take distributions from my HSA to pay for the medical expenses tax-free or penalty-free, but I can also use the rules to my advantage.
00:23:36.799 -->
00:23:46.000The HSA will actually allow you as the plant owner to reimburse yourself for prior years' expenses you paid out of pocket.
00:23:46.319 -->
00:24:02.799So let's see if if I want to maximize the growth in my HSA and grow my HSA exponentially, it would make more sense based on the rules that I just keep my HSA intact, keep adding contributions to it, keep it invested and keep it growing.
00:24:03.119 -->
00:24:07.839And meanwhile, if I do have medical expenses, I'll just pay it out of my pocket and save all the receipts.
00:24:08.240 -->
00:24:09.680You can go as far as you want.
00:24:09.839 -->
00:24:18.720So 10 years, I can save all the receipts, my medical receipts, pay them personally, and then at the end of the 10 years, let's say I want to reimburse myself$30,000.
00:24:18.960 -->
00:24:19.039Yeah.
00:24:19.279 -->
00:24:28.240Provided I have$30,000 of receipts for those last 10 years, I can take a$30,000 tax-free, penalty-free distribution to pay myself back for things I paid for.
00:24:28.640 -->
00:24:34.720Like my four kids that all decided to get invisalign this year that cost$30,000,$28,000 to be exact.
00:24:34.960 -->
00:24:37.839I've had clients uh buy new Cadillacs with HSA distributions.
00:24:37.920 -->
00:24:39.839I had a Cadillac Eldorado.
00:24:40.000 -->
00:24:40.559Yeah, yeah.
00:24:40.720 -->
00:24:42.240I I I no no lie.
00:24:42.319 -->
00:24:48.240I had a client tell me his his wife was nagging him to take her take her to Europe all her life, and he never took her to Europe.
00:24:48.400 -->
00:24:56.240He took a tax-free, penalty-free distribution out of his HSA to pay himself back for prior years' expenses and use that distribution to take him to Europe.
00:24:56.400 -->
00:24:58.319Take her to Europe, tax-free and penalty-free.
00:24:58.559 -->
00:25:04.240Let me hit uh let me hit two questions real quick to get this done, and then we'll continue.
00:25:04.400 -->
00:25:07.440We have a few more slides, and we'll just open the rest of the time up to QA.
00:25:07.680 -->
00:25:10.480All right, so age 65 on the HSA.
00:25:11.039 -->
00:25:16.720There is some um uh things to consider on that.
00:25:16.880 -->
00:25:27.119You can't uh be enrolled in Medicare yet, and uh you can't be collecting Social Security, and you have to continue to be enrolled in a high deductible health plan.
00:25:27.279 -->
00:25:40.000So you can continue to contribute to an HSA beyond the age of 65, but those are the criteria that would prevent you from being able to contribute is if you're once you enroll in Medicare, you have to stop.
00:25:40.160 -->
00:25:43.359And then if you're collecting Social Security, those are both disqualifiers.
00:25:43.599 -->
00:25:43.680Right.
00:25:43.759 -->
00:25:45.440So but it doesn't make the HSA go away.
00:25:45.759 -->
00:25:45.920Correct.
00:25:46.160 -->
00:25:48.240So you can't make contributions anymore.
00:25:48.559 -->
00:25:49.839Right, you can't make further contributions.
00:25:50.079 -->
00:25:50.880So that's still active.
00:25:51.200 -->
00:25:57.599Um, let me just kind of hit a general blanket question on proration for ages.
00:25:57.759 -->
00:26:03.839So I got a number of questions on people uh for the catch-up, super catch-up provisions.
00:26:04.079 -->
00:26:27.519The questions are, well, you know, if I turn uh, you know, 63 in a given year, or if now I'm 64 in a given year, like are there any rules or prorations that have to be considered, you know, let's say in that tax year where you you're not, you know, 60 and now you're now you're turning 60 or whatever it is to hit that.
00:26:27.680 -->
00:26:31.519Are there any proration or limitations onto the contribution limits?
00:26:31.759 -->
00:26:32.559That's a that's a good question.
00:26:32.640 -->
00:26:35.200I'm not sure on that because they just released it in 2025.
00:26:35.279 -->
00:26:40.559But if I'm assuming if it works just like the catch it, the rex rex, there's there's no proration.
00:26:40.640 -->
00:26:41.119Yeah, right.
00:26:41.279 -->
00:26:45.680So we need to look at some guidance on the super catcher, but the rest of them, it does, there is no proration.
00:26:46.000 -->
00:26:46.640Right, there's no proration.
00:26:46.799 -->
00:26:50.799If you return that age, no matter when it is in that year, yeah, you can make that contribution.
00:26:51.039 -->
00:26:51.200Right.
00:26:51.279 -->
00:26:54.960But it is a little different because there's a a start age and a stop age.
00:26:55.039 -->
00:26:56.640So we'll we'll check into that.
00:26:57.359 -->
00:26:57.680Okay.
00:26:57.839 -->
00:27:00.480Any other questions that we want to hit before touch on?
00:27:00.880 -->
00:27:01.119No.
00:27:01.279 -->
00:27:01.519Okay.
00:27:01.839 -->
00:27:05.200Okay, now remember HSA contributions for 2025.
00:27:05.279 -->
00:27:10.000You do have to have already the high deductible health plan in place.
00:27:10.240 -->
00:27:14.559Um, so you can't set up a high deductible health plan today and make a 2025 contribution.
00:27:14.720 -->
00:27:18.160Unfortunately, that deadline just passed us, it was December 1st.
00:27:18.480 -->
00:27:29.279But if you've got the HDHP, you already had it set up December 1st or prior, you can make a full 2025 contribution and you can see those contribution deadline are amounts there.
00:27:29.440 -->
00:27:36.240And then again, just like the IRAs, once we hit January, you can make a full contribution for 2026.
00:27:36.400 -->
00:27:44.240You have to make sure that you've uh you keep your high deductible health plan in place throughout the year, or else they'll prorate it back.
00:27:44.480 -->
00:27:44.799Okay.
00:27:45.759 -->
00:27:49.039Um, moving on to the ESA.
00:27:49.279 -->
00:27:52.559So the ESA is again one of the accounts that not a lot of people use.
00:27:52.640 -->
00:27:56.480Again, like kind of Aaron mentioned, you can only put in so much uh each year.
00:27:56.640 -->
00:27:58.240But these are wonderful accounts.
00:27:58.319 -->
00:28:05.920If you want to just get some money in it, it works almost exactly like a Roth IRA, but you don't have to wait till 59 and a half to use the money for your child.
00:28:06.160 -->
00:28:10.480So these are accounts, savings accounts that you can set up for each of your children.
00:28:10.640 -->
00:28:10.880Okay.
00:28:12.480 -->
00:28:13.599Uh each of your children.
00:28:13.680 -->
00:28:18.559And the contribution limits on these just really haven't changed over the last, I don't know, decade or so.
00:28:18.640 -->
00:28:22.480Uh, but it's$2,000 per child per year.
00:28:22.640 -->
00:28:29.039So again, you can make a contribution to your child's ESA, provided they're under the age of 18.
00:28:29.119 -->
00:28:33.920That's the age when which contribution, you can't make any more contributions to that child's ESA.
00:28:34.319 -->
00:28:42.160So if they're under the age of 18, you can make a$2,000 contribution for 2025 all the way up until April 15th or tax filing deadline.
00:28:42.319 -->
00:28:47.519And then once we hit April, see January 1st, you can make another$2,000 contribution.
00:28:47.599 -->
00:28:55.759So again, this is that ripe time of year where if you're looking to maximize your contributions, you do it between now uh and April 15th.
00:28:55.839 -->
00:28:57.359Um, and that's per child.
00:28:57.440 -->
00:29:01.599So if you've got three children, essentially, that's almost, you know, that's$12,000.
00:29:01.839 -->
00:29:06.319You can get an ESA between, let's say, January 1st and April 15th.
00:29:06.400 -->
00:29:08.559So it does give you a lot of investment capital.
00:29:08.640 -->
00:29:11.759Uh the contributions go in, there's no tax deduction.
00:29:11.920 -->
00:29:26.799Okay, unfortunately, it's just like a Roth, but those they can be invested, and the distributions can come out of the earnings in that account, whether whatever it's invested in, to pay for qualified out-of-pocket education expenses for that child.
00:29:26.880 -->
00:29:33.200So that would be things like tuition, room and board, books, computers, uh, tutoring.
00:29:33.359 -->
00:29:38.160Um, the one of the one of the coolest things I th I see on in the tax code is your home internet.
00:29:38.480 -->
00:29:42.240Your home internet is a qualified education expense under the tax code.
00:29:42.319 -->
00:29:52.880As long as your kids do homework online, you can pay your home internet bill and all cabling with tax-free dollars out of the earnings of your child's Coverdale education savings account.
00:29:53.039 -->
00:30:01.119Now, again, you do have to get a little bit creative, but I have seen investors, and this is probably I'm probably speaking more to the active real estate investors here.
00:30:01.200 -->
00:30:17.680Um, I've seen investors take, let's say, a$500 ESA contribution for a child and use that account to be the buyer on a contract and they wholesale the contract for a$40,000 wholesale fee, or maybe they do a real estate option and assign the option.
00:30:17.839 -->
00:30:28.000Again, it's all about how much money do I need for capital to tie a property up under contract, and then they just flip the contract or they assign the option to another investor for a fee.
00:30:28.160 -->
00:30:32.079I've seen$500 ESAs go to$40,000 in in literally eight weeks.
00:30:32.240 -->
00:30:41.519Now, I know some of you may be wondering or asking yourself, like, well, frick, how do I do that or figure that out or do a deal like that?
00:30:41.759 -->
00:30:44.880And the answer is like, you're either gonna love it or hate it.
00:30:44.960 -->
00:30:46.880Uh, you got to go out there and network.
00:30:47.039 -->
00:30:52.000You know, you got to go out there and join your local real estate investment clubs uh and attend those.
00:30:52.079 -->
00:30:59.839You got to meet other real estate professionals, other networking groups, other private lending groups uh that are in your local market.
00:30:59.920 -->
00:31:16.079If that's like you want to stay in your local market to do that, and you're developing, you know, your network and uh uh this investment friend group that you can do these types of transactions with, you know, back and forth uh with each other to really, you know, supercharge those type of accounts.
00:31:16.240 -->
00:31:17.359That's how you're doing it.
00:31:17.440 -->
00:31:23.200There's no marketplace, there's no secret doodad that you're gonna find to do it.
00:31:23.359 -->
00:31:24.079We don't have that.
00:31:24.240 -->
00:31:26.240We wouldn't know where to find that either.
00:31:26.400 -->
00:31:39.759Um, those deals are through your building a network and structuring a deal, but it starts with you know, getting the account set up, getting the funds in there, figuring out the types of investments that are even available out there.
00:31:39.920 -->
00:31:46.400You can even be doing fix and flip, you can do private lending, you know, on someone's fix and flip that they're doing.
00:31:46.640 -->
00:31:59.039You know, a lot of times people um in different markets may they may only need 50 grand uh to do a deal and they're paying, you know, a very generous um return for that, you know, four to six month loan on that.
00:31:59.119 -->
00:32:03.359So there's lots of stuff um that you can do to turbocharge those accounts.
00:32:03.599 -->
00:32:08.480Yeah, I've seen a lot of private lenders use uh multiple accounts on on one note.
00:32:08.559 -->
00:32:14.720You know, you make a loan to a real estate uh flipper or something, and you've got eight different accounts on the on the promissory note.
00:32:15.039 -->
00:32:16.400And that's one of the things.
00:32:16.559 -->
00:32:17.200Sorry, keep going.
00:32:17.359 -->
00:32:19.279Yeah, and those can be ESAs, HSAs.
00:32:19.359 -->
00:32:27.440I I did a note once with 14 different accounts, and there were two ESAs uh listed as lenders on on one note, one lien, right, depending on the state that you're in.
00:32:27.599 -->
00:32:39.519Uh there's a lot of different creative ways, but like Aaron said, if you want to get into the more real estate strategy and lending strategies, uh maybe a good place to go, not endorsing anybody, but a good place to go is always your local real estate investor association.
00:32:39.759 -->
00:32:40.559Or the alt assets.
00:32:40.880 -->
00:32:41.920Or the alt asset summit.
00:32:42.000 -->
00:32:43.440It's a great place to network and learn.
00:32:43.519 -->
00:32:51.200So um, but yeah, just get out there and network and learn from some other real estate professionals on how those investments look at the um you can do a little research.
00:32:51.359 -->
00:32:57.200Uh, there's some books out there and some good YouTube videos, but you can type in fractionalized trusteds.
00:32:57.519 -->
00:33:06.000And as Nate mentioned, that uh is applicable in certain states, not all states do that, where there's multiple lenders on a first trusteed.
00:33:06.160 -->
00:33:06.480Yeah.
00:33:06.720 -->
00:33:11.680So you have a fractionalized interest in a first TD, you know, California is one of them.
00:33:11.920 -->
00:33:12.319Shocker.
00:33:12.559 -->
00:33:12.799I know.
00:33:13.039 -->
00:33:14.240Hey, and I love California.
00:33:14.319 -->
00:33:16.960I used to live there, so California at heart.
00:33:17.119 -->
00:33:17.279Yeah.
00:33:17.440 -->
00:33:19.599So a couple another tidbits for the ESA.
00:33:19.839 -->
00:33:24.000Again, you can make contributions for 2025 up until tax filing deadline.
00:33:24.079 -->
00:33:27.839And once we hit 2026, you can max out the contribution on that.
00:33:28.160 -->
00:33:30.640Um, there is some age restrictions, like I mentioned.
00:33:30.799 -->
00:33:35.039You can only make a contribution up until the child's 18th birthday.
00:33:35.119 -->
00:33:36.960Um, but the account doesn't go away.
00:33:37.119 -->
00:33:49.279Once they hit 18, you just can't make any more contributions, but you can still have that account invested and use the distributions to pay for any of that child's education expenses until that child reaches age 30.
00:33:49.440 -->
00:33:51.839Now, a lot of people say, well, what happens at age 30?
00:33:52.000 -->
00:33:55.920Well, you have a decision that you can make as the responsible individual of the account.
00:33:56.160 -->
00:34:12.320If there's still money left over in that ESA, you can either give it to the child as a distribution and they pay a small 10% uh penalty or tax on the distribution, or you can just transfer the beneficial ownership of that ESA to another child.
00:34:12.480 -->
00:34:16.320And all it stipulates is that child just has to be under the age of 30.
00:34:16.400 -->
00:34:19.519So let's say you've got a middle child or a second child that still has education.
00:34:20.079 -->
00:34:21.599Why is it always the middle child?
00:34:22.159 -->
00:34:33.679If you've got another child that's still in school, you just move that money into their favorite child, into their ESA and just keep the ball rolling, or maybe that your child has a child at that point, who knows?
00:34:33.840 -->
00:34:35.840But there are some strategies on what to do with it.
00:34:35.920 -->
00:34:37.360It's not like the money just disappears.
00:34:37.440 -->
00:34:39.360You've got a couple different options on what to do with it.
00:34:39.440 -->
00:34:44.320If the child reaches 30 and you still got a bunch of money, I will tell you, I have a client that has four sons.
00:34:44.559 -->
00:34:48.159His oldest son has a$300,000 ESA.
00:34:48.559 -->
00:34:48.719Okay.
00:34:48.880 -->
00:34:50.559Now, is that his favorite son?
00:34:50.880 -->
00:34:51.360Probably.
00:34:52.400 -->
00:35:11.920No, but he was more aggressive in locating alternative investments, finding alternative investments for the oldest child because he knows at the end of the day, if there's more money left over in that child's ESA and he's done with school, he just moves it down to son number two, to son number three, and to son number four.
00:35:12.000 -->
00:35:15.679But he started at the top because he knows he can just trickle down that money at the end of the day.
00:35:15.920 -->
00:35:16.800I have girls and boys.
00:35:16.960 -->
00:35:18.639My favorite of the girls, they get everything.
00:35:18.800 -->
00:35:20.079The boys can go work for it.
00:35:20.400 -->
00:35:20.639Okay.
00:35:20.960 -->
00:35:22.000Couple other deadlines.
00:35:22.159 -->
00:35:24.960This is non-contribution related, but this is very, very important.
00:35:25.199 -->
00:35:26.960Roth conversion deadlines.
00:35:27.039 -->
00:35:35.360We're pretty much at the end of our your uh time to do a conversion for 2025.
00:35:35.679 -->
00:35:44.480The the way conversions work is if you want to take a traditional IRA or SEP IRA and pay taxes on some of it to convert it to a Roth.
00:35:44.800 -->
00:35:49.760You want to take it from after tax to pre to or pre-tax to after tax, you got to pay the tax.
00:35:49.840 -->
00:35:56.320But you, if you're intending to pay the tax in 2025, the conversion had to have been done in 2025.
00:35:56.559 -->
00:35:58.320This trips up a lot of people.
00:35:58.400 -->
00:36:05.119Uh they go into 2026 thinking they can still make contributions and thinking conversions are a part of those contributions.
00:36:05.360 -->
00:36:12.800You can't make a conversion, do a conversion for 2025 until December 31st, 2025.
00:36:12.880 -->
00:36:15.039That's basically the last opportunity you can do a conversion.
00:36:15.119 -->
00:36:17.760So listen, I was even guilty of it this year.
00:36:17.920 -->
00:36:25.599I may have tried to submit it yesterday for the company stuff, and I don't think I'm gonna get it in.
00:36:25.920 -->
00:36:27.519So it happens to all of us.
00:36:27.760 -->
00:36:31.840Yeah, so it has to be processed in the year in which you just want to pay the taxes.
00:36:31.920 -->
00:36:38.000So if you have done a conversion this year, you're paying the taxes on that conversion this coming April.
00:36:38.239 -->
00:36:52.079But if you're not looking to rush and pay taxes, I mean it might be a good thing for you to have waited because once we hit January 1st, let's say you do a conversion, I convert$100,000 from my traditional to my Roth IRA on January 1st.
00:36:52.239 -->
00:36:55.440I don't pay the taxes on that hundred grand the day I do the conversion.
00:36:55.519 -->
00:36:55.760Right.
00:36:55.920 -->
00:37:10.320I don't even get a 1099 to show me that amount until next January 2027, which means if I do a conversion between January 1st and any time after that, I don't have to pay the taxes on the conversion until April 2027.
00:37:10.960 -->
00:37:13.679Okay, let me tell you why I procrastinated.
00:37:14.000 -->
00:37:15.119There is no good reason.
00:37:15.360 -->
00:37:15.679Okay.
00:37:15.840 -->
00:37:19.519So, but here is a strategy that I think some of you will appreciate.
00:37:19.599 -->
00:37:23.920And then if you are not already doing, maybe you can implement it moving into next year.
00:37:24.079 -->
00:37:30.320So if you've established a checkbook IRA LC, let's just say it's a single member, let's say it's a Roth.
00:37:30.639 -->
00:37:34.639Okay, so it's your Roth that is a single member of your checkbook IRA LC.
00:37:34.800 -->
00:37:42.880What's cool about that is every year you can do the Roth conversion and then make a new capital contribution to that account.
00:37:43.039 -->
00:37:53.039That's part that that's why I was trying to get it done because I wanted to move some more funds into my um that Roth and do some other lending out of it.
00:37:53.199 -->
00:37:57.039So that's one instance why that would be applicable and you could do that.
00:37:57.119 -->
00:38:03.199So it's another way to get more money into that checkbook IRE LC structure that you've done.
00:38:03.280 -->
00:38:06.960If you don't know what I'm talking about, book a call with one of our account executives.
00:38:07.119 -->
00:38:11.039If you do know what I'm talking about and still have questions about it, book a call.
00:38:11.119 -->
00:38:13.440We'd be happy to go over more of that.
00:38:13.679 -->
00:38:24.079Another thing, uh we do get some questions about well, can I invest in all sorts of different alternative assets with one self-directed IRA?
00:38:24.239 -->
00:38:25.280The answer is yes.
00:38:25.519 -->
00:38:32.800The the second uh follow-up to question to that was, well, can I still invest in traditional stocks and mutual funds?
00:38:32.960 -->
00:38:34.159The answer is yes.
00:38:34.400 -->
00:38:44.639However, if that's like if you're like any kind of day trader or you're trading on a weekly basis, that's not really what a self-directed account is intended for.
00:38:44.800 -->
00:38:59.760We do have some options that we can review with you, but if you're just kind of buying and holding or maybe selling once a year or something, we can place those trades uh for you at a very, you know, uh uh low for a very low fee.
00:38:59.840 -->
00:39:08.559Uh, but we're not competing on a platform with like Schwab or Vanguard or Fidelity for you to trade all the time.
00:39:08.719 -->
00:39:10.559That's not the intent of our accounts.
00:39:10.639 -->
00:39:16.719But you can still have one account that does both, uh, but the intent wouldn't be to, you know, for it to be daily trading.
00:39:16.960 -->
00:39:18.639Yeah, if you want to pull up the slide, Angel.
00:39:18.719 -->
00:39:22.639Just remember you you can have as many IRAs as you want.
00:39:22.719 -->
00:39:29.679Uh, you can have an IRA at Fidelity that holds your stocks and bonds and mutual funds and still have an IRA at directed IRA.
00:39:29.840 -->
00:39:37.440Now that doesn't change your contribution limit for the year, but it does allow you to diversify amongst traditional investments and alternative investments.
00:39:37.519 -->
00:39:44.559And that's probably what 95% of our clients do is they just keep a little bit of money in their Fidelity account and they move a little bit of money over here.
00:39:44.719 -->
00:39:51.360And what you want to do is you just wanna move enough money to us to fund and deploy the funds for your alternative investment.
00:39:51.440 -->
00:39:55.280You don't need to move your entire retirement account here and have a bunch of cash sitting.
00:39:55.440 -->
00:39:58.480Just leave that at Fidelity and you just move money back and forth.
00:39:58.559 -->
00:39:59.679It takes three to five business days.
00:40:00.079 -->
00:40:02.000At most places with an I rate I rate transfer.
00:40:02.320 -->
00:40:03.920Now we do have two separate things, right?
00:40:04.000 -->
00:40:10.880There's new contributions and then there's rollover uh funds, you know, to to get from an old employer plan to get in there.
00:40:11.039 -->
00:40:17.199But one of the things that I even do is I have an HSA at Fidelity, but I also have a crypto HSA as well.
00:40:17.360 -->
00:40:23.440But the any new contributions that I'm making have are cannot exceed the total limit.
00:40:23.679 -->
00:40:32.800So, you know, I may do, let's say, 3,000 in my Fidelity HSA and maybe 4,000 over my crypto HSA to get that total of 7,000.
00:40:32.960 -->
00:40:35.360The reason I do that is for obvious reasons.
00:40:35.440 -->
00:40:37.440I just, it's a little bit of diversification.
00:40:37.599 -->
00:40:42.000It's easy to have that in, you know, part of it investing in stocks and mutual funds there.
00:40:42.079 -->
00:40:46.559And then I have my other alternative asset, you know, that I'm doing with my crypto HSA.
00:40:46.800 -->
00:40:49.199Yeah, and same thing goes for you can have multiple HSAs.
00:40:49.280 -->
00:40:51.920Oops, you can have multiple HSAs and ESAs too.
00:40:52.000 -->
00:40:54.079Now, why would you want to have multiple of those accounts?
00:40:54.159 -->
00:41:00.880Uh, I, for one, I have multiple HSAs because I just have a small balance account with Bank of America because I have a debit card.
00:41:00.960 -->
00:41:03.840That's really the only thing I use, the HSA, my HSA.
00:41:04.400 -->
00:41:05.519Just makes it easy to pay the expenses.
00:41:09.039 -->
00:41:10.400I can just pull that card and swipe it.
00:41:10.480 -->
00:41:19.360Now, directed IRA doesn't give you a debit card to swipe, but we we offer the other benefit, which is we'll hold alternative assets that you can't hold at Bank of America.
00:41:19.440 -->
00:41:25.679So most of my HSA funds are in a self-directed HSA that I partner with my Roth and do some private lending with.
00:41:25.760 -->
00:41:36.000So again, you can have as many Roths as you want, as many traditionals as you want, as many HSAs and ESAs, and just move money back and forth depending on where your investment needs are at that time.
00:41:36.320 -->
00:41:36.880Awesome.
00:41:37.039 -->
00:41:37.840What else do we got?
00:41:38.000 -->
00:41:38.159Okay.
00:41:38.639 -->
00:41:39.760Um, so let's see.
00:41:39.840 -->
00:41:42.239So we talked about that and yeah, questions.
00:41:42.320 -->
00:41:44.639And I guess we can just circle back to this.
00:41:44.719 -->
00:41:47.679Um, for those of you who showed up late, save the dates for that.
00:41:47.840 -->
00:41:51.360We got our self-directed IRA summit, all things self-directing.
00:41:51.840 -->
00:41:54.400Uh, we're gonna do that virtually uh this year.
00:41:54.559 -->
00:41:56.480So we'll have some discounts.
00:41:56.639 -->
00:41:59.840Uh, I think we're even considering doing it free for clients.
00:42:00.079 -->
00:42:05.360Um April 17th, and we'll do it virtual out of the home studio office, probably here.
00:42:05.519 -->
00:42:10.800And then we have our Alt Asset Summit in Southern California in Costa Mesa, October 22, 23.
00:42:10.960 -->
00:42:12.079All things alternative.
00:42:12.320 -->
00:42:21.840So we bring in several different speakers that have expertise and you know, um that do good diligence, you know, on the investments they're doing.
00:42:21.920 -->
00:42:33.920We have panels and they're just talking kind of, you know, uh uh paint by the numbers A to Z on like how they're finding these investments, managing them, using qualified, non-qualified accounts.
00:42:34.000 -->
00:42:39.679So have a you know good exhibitor haul, lots of networking and fun activities, and that is in person only.
00:42:39.840 -->
00:42:42.159So we're doing that October 22, 23.
00:42:42.559 -->
00:42:44.719There is still time to open accounts.
00:42:44.800 -->
00:42:45.760Um, you know what?
00:42:45.920 -->
00:42:55.920Let's hit on the solo 401k plan establishment versus contributions because those are two different things.
00:42:56.159 -->
00:43:02.320Let's talk about when you can set up the plan versus the contributions to clarify that.
00:43:02.559 -->
00:43:03.760I had lots of questions come in for that.
00:43:04.000 -->
00:43:04.320Yeah, yeah.
00:43:04.400 -->
00:43:06.239So you can still set up the plan.
00:43:06.320 -->
00:43:11.119The the thing with the solo 401k, though, is it's who's making the contribution?
00:43:11.440 -->
00:43:13.760Is it the employee or is it the employer?
00:43:13.840 -->
00:43:16.719And again, you're both people in the in most cases.
00:43:17.039 -->
00:43:22.000Employee contributions have to be done and satisfied before end of the year.
00:43:22.159 -->
00:43:26.639So you got to make the contribution before the end of the year, and usually it just comes out of your payroll.
00:43:26.719 -->
00:43:32.079You work with your payroll company, they take contributions out, salary deferral, and dump them into an IRA.
00:43:32.159 -->
00:43:34.800But those cannot exceed December 31st.
00:43:34.880 -->
00:43:39.440You cannot go into the new uh tax year and make a contribution for 2025.
00:43:39.599 -->
00:43:45.039Employee contributions have to be satisfied before December 31st of this year.
00:43:45.199 -->
00:43:50.960Now, the employer contributions, those can go out into your tax filing deadline plus extension.
00:43:51.039 -->
00:43:54.320So it gets a little confusing, but you can still set up a 401k.
00:43:54.400 -->
00:44:00.960We had client, we had people calling today to set up their solo 401ks just to get it established and to get just to get it set up.
00:44:01.039 -->
00:44:06.800Um, so you can um make those calls right now, set up a call and set up your solo 401k.
00:44:06.880 -->
00:44:09.519That way you're not rushing next year uh to do it.
00:44:10.000 -->
00:44:20.719Uh Bill, uh, this for Bill, you put it in a chat about some properties, 10 properties uh that you bought, all with second position liens on them.
00:44:20.880 -->
00:44:22.800Uh I'm tracking what you're saying.
00:44:23.280 -->
00:44:28.239My recommendation would be to contact one of our attorneys over at KKOS Lawyers.
00:44:28.559 -->
00:44:36.400So if you'll just go over to KKOS Lawyers.com and uh select for an attorney consult, they just bill by the hour.
00:44:36.559 -->
00:44:47.599Um, if you it'd be beneficial if you had an account with us or the intent of doing that, and we can facilitate a lot of the uh back and forth between the two firms.
00:44:47.679 -->
00:44:53.119Is it's a sister company of ours, so same ownership and directed as over at KQS Lawyers.
00:44:53.440 -->
00:45:03.039So if you'll go to over there, they can help with this because this is a legal uh question that has some tax implications, so you can pop over there and get the help that you need from that.
00:45:03.199 -->
00:45:14.239And Michelle just put that in the um the chat there for everyone on how you can schedule a call with one of the client coordinators, get the information that you're asking, and then have an attorney consult.
00:45:14.400 -->
00:45:22.159And of course, we'd love to, if you don't already have the business, we'd love to the opportunity to earn your business by having your accounts over here.
00:45:22.480 -->
00:45:23.519Okay, let's see.
00:45:23.599 -->
00:45:24.639Uh what else do we have?
00:45:24.800 -->
00:45:26.960Just wrap do a few more questions and we'll wrap it up.
00:45:27.440 -->
00:45:28.079A few more questions.
00:45:28.159 -->
00:45:35.039And if you want to just pull up the slide real quick, Angel, again, if you guys need to set up your accounts before end of the year, uh, you can either book a call with Michelle.
00:45:35.119 -->
00:45:36.159She's on right now.
00:45:36.400 -->
00:45:38.719She could probably she's probably already shared her book a call later.
00:45:38.880 -->
00:45:39.119She has.
00:45:39.360 -->
00:45:39.440Yep.
00:45:39.519 -->
00:45:41.199Or just go to directedira.com.
00:45:41.280 -->
00:45:43.199If you want to do it through the website, you can.
00:45:43.360 -->
00:45:44.719It takes literally five minutes.
00:45:44.800 -->
00:45:48.079But I always say it's more helpful to have somebody on the phone and walk you through it.
00:45:48.239 -->
00:45:50.320So either way you want to do it, you still got time.
00:45:50.559 -->
00:45:51.679Okay, so let's see here.
00:45:51.840 -->
00:45:52.960We hit most of these.
00:45:53.119 -->
00:45:56.400Uh, any experience dealing with buying tax liens in an account?
00:45:56.639 -->
00:45:59.760I mean, I don't uh know Mark personally.
00:45:59.920 -->
00:46:07.760I haven't personally bought them, but we have clients that buy tax lien uh tax deeds and tax lien certificates.
00:46:08.079 -->
00:46:10.960You can absolutely do that with a self-directed IRA.
00:46:11.199 -->
00:46:17.360Most of our clients that do that do it in a checkbook IRA LLC structure because those tend to move pretty quick.
00:46:17.519 -->
00:46:20.400Those are at auctions, you're bidding on them.
00:46:20.639 -->
00:46:23.840You don't typically want the hassle of we'll do it.
00:46:23.920 -->
00:46:24.079Yeah.
00:46:24.239 -->
00:46:29.119But then, you know, there's a timing process for us to you know facilitate that transaction.
00:46:29.199 -->
00:46:30.639If it's some redeem, some don't.
00:46:31.039 -->
00:46:32.800Yeah, if it's being held directly with your IRA.
00:46:32.880 -->
00:46:41.280So if you're wanting to do that, recommendation would be to set up a checkbook IRA LC or a solo 401k and get a trust trustee managed checking account.
00:46:41.440 -->
00:46:43.039Um, you can absolutely do that.
00:46:43.119 -->
00:46:44.400And we facilitate all that.
00:46:44.559 -->
00:46:48.079We have a preferred banking partner um that we use as well.
00:46:48.320 -->
00:47:00.239Um, the other thing, let's see, that I got was oh, converting a solo 401k to a Roth uh solo 401k.
00:47:00.400 -->
00:47:01.199Can you do that?
00:47:01.599 -->
00:47:03.039How do I do that?
00:47:03.840 -->
00:47:04.480You can.
00:47:04.639 -->
00:47:07.760So depending on who you set up the solo 401k with.
00:47:07.840 -->
00:47:14.000Uh, I know when we you set up a solo 401k with us, there's usually a welcome packet that has some forms in there.
00:47:14.159 -->
00:47:17.199Uh, you're basically doing what's called an in-plan conversion.
00:47:17.280 -->
00:47:19.519There's there's going to be a form attached.
00:47:19.599 -->
00:47:22.079The the deadlines are all still the same.
00:47:22.239 -->
00:47:27.840But basically, what you're doing is you're just taking your pre-tax dollars in your 401k and you're converting them to Roth.
00:47:28.320 -->
00:47:28.800Awesome.
00:47:29.039 -->
00:47:36.000Okay, so a couple of questions on I need more information on the checkbook IRA LC or solo 401k structure.
00:47:36.079 -->
00:47:39.760Um, please just book a call with one of our experienced account reps.
00:47:39.920 -->
00:47:41.920They can go over that structure in detail.
00:47:42.159 -->
00:47:50.000But at a high level, on the checkbook IRA LC, just think of it as any LLC, uh, for instance, that you may already have.
00:47:50.239 -->
00:47:54.320You have a member of it and you have a manager of it typically.
00:47:54.400 -->
00:47:54.719Okay.
00:47:54.880 -->
00:47:58.559In this structure, it's it's manager managed, not member managed.
00:47:58.639 -->
00:48:00.079I'm gonna explain why here in a minute.
00:48:00.320 -->
00:48:05.280So the member is going to be your IRA, preferably the Roth IRA.
00:48:05.360 -->
00:48:08.800So the Roth IRA is the single member of the LLC.
00:48:09.280 -->
00:48:15.760You have a name of the LLC because it's a business, which then qualifies you to go get a business checking account.
00:48:16.000 -->
00:48:16.320Okay.
00:48:16.800 -->
00:48:25.119Wherever those funds are, whether you're converting them or it's an old 401k that's a Roth or you're gonna, it's a traditional and you're gonna convert it.
00:48:25.519 -->
00:48:26.719We don't, it doesn't really matter.
00:48:26.800 -->
00:48:28.800We can help with that structure and how you want to.
00:48:28.880 -->
00:48:42.639But as long as we then get the money over into that Roth IRA and it's settled here with us, we send it over to your business checking account, and that gives you access to now make investments um uh at at your will.
00:48:42.880 -->
00:48:44.400Yeah, on behalf of your IRA.
00:48:44.639 -->
00:48:56.639And what and and the manager of it, what gives you the ability to manage that for administrative functions, not doing work like you're not actually doing physical labor, but you're doing administrative work.
00:48:56.800 -->
00:48:59.679You you can be the manager as an individual.
00:48:59.840 -->
00:49:00.960You're the manager of it.
00:49:01.039 -->
00:49:03.679And that is the structure of the checkbook IRA LC.
00:49:03.760 -->
00:49:08.880And what's cool about that is now you you're you're not dealing with us to make the investments.
00:49:09.039 -->
00:49:13.199You you have the signing authorization on behalf of the LLC.
00:49:13.360 -->
00:49:23.119What we do want is we want an annual fair market valuation where you're gonna list out the investments that you made and what their value is.
00:49:23.280 -->
00:49:25.840And we have different criteria on how it's valued.
00:49:25.920 -->
00:49:30.719If it's real estate, it can be a you know as simple as pulling like an estimate from Zillow.
00:49:30.880 -->
00:49:38.000If it's some a transaction where you sold something, we'll we'll need a professional, you know, typically third-party valuation.
00:49:38.159 -->
00:49:41.760And so we have a few different things criteria-wise for that.
00:49:41.840 -->
00:49:43.119But that's a great structure.
00:49:43.360 -->
00:49:54.079Subsequently, you can also do a solo 401k and you can set up a business checking account, it's a trustee managed checking account, and it's the same thing applies.
00:49:54.239 -->
00:50:02.639Now you're making investments and you know, on behalf of the plan, um, and you're overseeing that as you know, doing administrative functions.
00:50:02.800 -->
00:50:03.039Yeah.
00:50:03.199 -->
00:50:07.679Now, what you're not allowed to do uh is take distributions from the LLC.
00:50:07.760 -->
00:50:16.079So you just gotta make sure if you want to take a distribution that's intended to be a distribution from your IRA, money just has to come from the LLC back to us, your friendly custodian.
00:50:16.239 -->
00:50:17.840We have to process the distribution.
00:50:18.000 -->
00:50:33.360So it's just a it's a nice, easy vehicle that allows you to bypass us to make investments and collect income, especially on investments that have a lot of moving parts, but it's not a magic washing machine that allows you to take money out to yourself personally, that has to still route through us.
00:50:33.679 -->
00:50:43.360Yeah, and then if you have um we don't there's a question on setting up company 401k plan, small business 401k plans.
00:50:44.480 -->
00:50:56.320We will custody those 401k accounts if you already have that plan set up, but we're not facilitating or managing the that that plan set up.
00:50:56.639 -->
00:51:10.639But if that 401k plan does allow for you to self-direct investments, you can set up a custodial 401k account with us and and self-direct that if your plan.
00:51:10.960 -->
00:51:14.079Now, if your plan doesn't permit that, that's a whole other thing.
00:51:14.159 -->
00:51:17.920We don't do that at uh directed trust company or directed IRA.
00:51:18.000 -->
00:51:24.800Uh there's other companies, really, you gotta find an administrator third-party administrator and it's work.
00:51:24.880 -->
00:51:25.519It's not easy.
00:51:25.760 -->
00:51:26.480And expensive.
00:51:26.719 -->
00:51:28.239And it it can be pricey.
00:51:28.480 -->
00:51:32.320So uh, but yeah, uh there's there's ways to do it.
00:51:32.480 -->
00:51:33.840So if it does allow it, great.
00:51:33.920 -->
00:51:36.719If it doesn't, um okay, let's see.
00:51:37.039 -->
00:51:43.039What if uh what if it's a fund or syndication in real estate that your self-directed IRA is invested in?
00:51:43.199 -->
00:51:44.239How is that valued?
00:51:44.400 -->
00:51:46.239Okay, great question, Tina.
00:51:46.480 -->
00:51:51.280We typically just get that valuation directly from the fund sponsor themselves.
00:51:51.440 -->
00:51:53.360They they issue that back to us.
00:51:53.440 -->
00:52:00.559There's nothing really that you're able to do because that money has been invested with that particular fund.
00:52:00.800 -->
00:52:05.039It's you know now their responsibility to send that uh over to us.
00:52:05.199 -->
00:52:05.360Yeah.
00:52:05.920 -->
00:52:06.800You can ask them for it.
00:52:06.880 -->
00:52:09.760If they don't send it to us, you absolutely should ask them for it.
00:52:09.840 -->
00:52:10.239We want that.
00:52:10.480 -->
00:52:12.800It can also be included on the K1 that we usually get.
00:52:12.960 -->
00:52:17.760So that yeah, the you just want to make sure we get it, but you're not the gonna be the one that's gonna be preparing it.
00:52:17.840 -->
00:52:20.079It's gonna come from the investment sponsor themselves.
00:52:20.400 -->
00:52:20.800Yeah.
00:52:21.039 -->
00:52:22.000Um, okay.
00:52:22.159 -->
00:52:24.000Well, we're right at the top of the hour.
00:52:24.159 -->
00:52:29.840We uh appreciate everyone for uh joining us for the I guess the finale.
00:52:30.320 -->
00:52:33.199I don't know if it's a grand finale, but it was a finale.
00:52:33.360 -->
00:52:35.760Nate fudged some numbers royally.
00:52:36.079 -->
00:52:38.239So I don't know we can be a grand finale.
00:52:38.400 -->
00:52:40.400I'll fix it before I said now if anybody wants to.
00:52:40.719 -->
00:52:44.000But uh, we really appreciate everyone, appreciate all the great questions.
00:52:44.159 -->
00:52:45.760We're excited for the new year.
00:52:45.920 -->
00:52:48.719Want to wish everybody a fun, safe uh new year.
00:52:48.880 -->
00:52:57.280If we weren't able to to your questions, you need some assistance with us, please pop over to our website, book a call with one of our account representatives.
00:52:57.440 -->
00:53:02.719Uh, we'd love the opportunity to earn your business, answer any of your self-directed account types.
00:53:02.960 -->
00:53:08.480Nate, do you have any final words of wisdom to offer everyone before we uh bid them adieu for 25?
00:53:08.719 -->
00:53:11.119No, happy holidays, be safe out there, uh guys.
00:53:11.280 -->
00:53:14.159Enjoy your new year, and you know, we'll see you into the next year.
00:53:14.239 -->
00:53:17.519And hopefully you guys stick with us and learn more about self directed IRAs.
00:53:17.760 -->
00:53:18.559Thanks, everyone.
