Eric Edmeades | The Conflict Between the Modern World and Our Ancient Wiring

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There are microplastics all over the planet. There are air
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quality problems in most major cities around the world. There
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are water quality issues all over the planet. There are
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depleting naturals resources all over the planet. We have mass
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extinctions happening on a regular basis, and that's very serious. Now,
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all of those things are black and white, measurable, there's
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no argument about them. Instead, what we've done is we've
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picked another topic that there is argument about. We've picked
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something that's nebulous and incredibly difficult to prove, and we
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spend all of our time arguing about that one thing
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so that we don't have to take any action on it,
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or so that we can take taxable action on things
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that don't really have much impact.
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What if your own biology is actually working against your goals?
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In this episode, Eric Amedias and I explore how are
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evolutionary instincts, limiting beliefs, and modern comfort zone shape performance, success,
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and even wealth. We break down practical ways to align
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your biology with your ambitions so you can step out
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of your comfort zone, overcome old patterns, and start thriving
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in a world full of opportunity. Miami, Doctor Fleet Mall,
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your co host of the session and I'm really happy
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to be here today with Eric Edmeads.
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Are you, Eric, fantastic glad to be here.
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So let's start with your WILDPIT program. So it's impacted
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the lives over one hundred thousand people globally and counting.
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I'm sure maybe the number is larger now. And I
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wonder if you could share some of the core principles
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behind WELP. But how behavioral change dynamics play a role
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in helping people overcome limiting beliefs that are related to
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health and wellbeing. And we'll go on to talk about
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that in terms of performance success as well.
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Sure, I think in order to understand why it's been
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so successful, I think it's important to understand what doesn't work.
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And in the sort of concept of transformation, there are
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many different sectors. There's financial stuff, relationships stuff, business stuff.
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One of the most difficult places to facilitate transformation is
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in people's food relationships. Just about every person on the
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planet has attempted to change their food relationship at some
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time or another and fail to do so. And so
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we know what doesn't work. We know it doesn't work
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to focus on getting rid of your favorite foods. It
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doesn't work to starve yourself, it doesn't work to try
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to outrun your calories, and it doesn't work to white
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knuckle your way through any kind of a program on
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a willpower basis. So what we did is we developed
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a program that was built as basically the opposite that
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it's based on what you're supposed to be adding into
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your relationship with food. It's based on incremental changes, it's
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based on self esteem reconstruction. And as a result of that,
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we have an unbelievably high stick rate. We have about
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an eighty five percent completion rate on a three month
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training program, which is fairly unheard of in the world
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of digital training. And that's really the first key, The
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first key to getting somebody to transform is to actually
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get them to finish the program.
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Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, listen to this point to
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our health and well being as foundational everything, and I
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agree with you. It's really the food thing is so primal, right,
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And you know, I think we understand from current neuroscience
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and even you know, kind of deeper looks into cell
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your biology and mitochondrial help that are until we build
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up neural architecture to kind of buffer us from the
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more primitive aspects of our system our systems operating as
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if we're about to starve the death at all times. Yeah,
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and then of course there's all the addictions that happen
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with sugar and sugar products and the biome and bacteria.
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But it is a very primal thing and difficult to
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work with, and so your wild pit program focuses mostly
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on shifting people's relationship to food or as they have
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other aspects of health and well being as well.
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I'll back up a little minute, and I'll put it
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in a sense this way. It's not simply that we
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our instincts are kind of living on the edge of starvation.
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It's that our biological evolution took place in an environmental
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set of environmental conditions that are very different from the
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way we live today. One way to look at this
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is that if we take wild animals and put them
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in zoos, one might suppose that with the additional medical
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support and the because they have veterinarian coverage and they
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have like consistent food supply, they don't have to compete,
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they're not being hunted by predators, it would be fairly
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safe to assume that animals could live longer in a
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zoo that they do in the wild. But that doesn't
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play out elephants. Elephants live much shorter in a zoo
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than they do in the Kruger National Park where they're
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fighting with lions, other elephants and poachers, yet they live longer.
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And I would put to you that we kind of
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have the same problem. Is that we have been removed
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from our natural habitat and we now live in a zoo,
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and that zoo is controlled by seven big food manufacturers
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and a bunch of big farmer manufacturers, and what have you.
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And our outdated instincts, our outdated cravings, our outdated biological
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directives are struggling with that mismatch. And so a big
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part of what Wildfit is about is helping people close
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that gap, to understand that mismatch and bring their consciousness
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to bear so that for example, sugar, the craving for
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sugar is not a flaw, it's not a defect of
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the human condition. It's a perfect design for an animal
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that needed to survive the coming winter. We needed to
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fatten up. We needed to develop a relationship with carbohydrate foods,
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wherein our cravings would step up. Our metabolist and would
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slow down and our energy would start getting storted fat
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as fat that was very important to our survival. Only
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now there's no shortage of carbohydrates, there's no seasonal fluctuation.
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They're readily available on a constant basis, and most of
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them are of a terrible quality. And so what we
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now need to do is figure out how to bring
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consciousness to the conversation so that we can override our
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natural instincts and defend ourselves from the predatory practices of
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food manufacturers that are trying to take advantage of those things.
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Absolutely, yeah, I think that's the point I was making,
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is that you know, evolutionarily, we're set up to have
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a certain relationship with food that no longer works in
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the current environment, and you're right, the food industry definitely
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manipulates that. So it's great to you have that foundational
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program for health well being, and I've gotten very interested
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in myself, so I'm going to check it out myself.
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I love the name as well. But today we're focused
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on performance and success and this is a big area
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for you. So your upcoming book, The Evolution Evolution Gap,
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is it out yet or is it still upcoming?
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It is in pre release Kindle on Amazon for testing
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certain things. It's not officially there, but people can go
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get it and it will go through a proper launch
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later this year. So there is a version of it
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sitting on and I'll tell you there's two reasons that's there.
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One is I wanted to do some content testing, and
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the other one is we saw a press release. I've
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been using that name for lectures and stuff for years,
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and you probably are aware you can't, there's no trademark protection.
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We saw a press release that some social scientists from
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Oxford or somewhere we're planning on releasing a book called
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The Evolution Gap, and I was like, holy, I owned
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the dot com. I've been doing lectures for years. I'd
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better get the book out a little more quickly. So
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we released a version of it which is much longer.
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What will get published will be much a bridge from that.
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It'll be more condensed, and I'm probably a little more
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concise and maybe a little easier to read. But there
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is a compelling copy of it out there now.
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Oh so people want the unobridge version, they can get
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the Kendle copy now. Yeah, so that's your upcoming book.
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The evolution gap, and in there you explore the disconnect
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between our evolutionary biology and modern civilization, which we've kind
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of been talking about already. Yeah, and I wonder how
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this influences our beliefs around performance and success and what
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are some of the strategies you use to help people
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align their basic biology with you know, with the beliefs
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that will drive performance of success in whatever aor of
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our life. Is important for us because if we don't
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align ourselves with our basic biology, we're really fighting a
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big battle all the time.
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Right, Yeah, you're totally nailing it. So, you know, we
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humans are generally lazy. I say that a little bit
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tongue in cheek, but the fact is we've spent the
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last several thousand years trying to develop technologies to make
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life easier and safer and less effort. You know, the
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bow and arrow instead of the spear, the wheel, the fire,
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and then cars and pretty soon rocket ships and stuff.
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So we've been constantly trying to make life simpler and easier.
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And that mentality is actually part of the problem. You know,
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these days, when you talk to people about increasing their
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performance or their longevity, they immediately looking, They immediately start
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looking at technology, and you know, they at shortcuts, the
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supplements they should be taking, the red light therapy they
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should be undertaking, the biohacking that they should be doing.
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But there's a neat way to look at this, and
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that is that if you look at the one hundred
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say meter dash at the international level, and you look
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at the improvements that we've made on the timing of that,
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you know, on the world record of that. You know,
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when you consider all the advancements in running shoes, you
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think about what it running shoes look like today compared
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to twenty years ago, and then compared to one hundred
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years ago, and the nutritional information that we have, and
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just the variety of technology that we've developed to make
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it so that we can run even faster, and with
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all of that, we've shaved about one second off the
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time in one hundred years. And so what I would
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suggest is that the core of what we should be
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looking at when we talk about increased performance is not shortcuts, biohacks,
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hacks of any kind. It's basic biology. And at the
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end of the day, your body has a series of
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you know, arguably about ten physical needs, and if you
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satisfy those needs in a functional way, you will get
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better performance. If you don't satisfy those needs functional way,
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you'll either have a system breakdown or you'll develop cravings
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to satisfy those needs in dysfunctional ways, which will have
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their own set of consequences. And where that kind of
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becomes even more complicated is that many people begin to
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realize that they're not satisfying one of those needs, and
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rather than attempting to satisfy in a way that's compatible
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with our evolution, they try to find a technological solution.
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A good example would be somebody finding out that they're
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low on vitamin D, and so they start taking a
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vitamin D supplement instead of getting a convertible, and I
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would argue that getting additional sunlight might have been a
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better way to deal with that problem than taking some
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pill from a lab.
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Yeah. Absolutely, So it's a very different perspective and one
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that ultimately maybe is more accessible. So could you describe
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these sort of basic biological needs we need to support
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optimal performance and success?
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Yeah? Sure, I mean, in order of let's say urgency,
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you know, because they're all important, right, So in order
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of urgency, we might start with air, and that might
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seem like a redundant thing to say, because most people
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don't forget to breathe, right, like see all of their breathings,
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so they don't. But it's not just a matter of breathing.
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It's a matter of quality and then a matter of methodology.
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And so if we consider quality, I live in the
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Dominican Republic. I live on the north coast of the
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Domican Republic, and so the wind that blows here, the
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last time it passed over land was Africa three weeks ago,
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which means that it has spent the last three weeks
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being buffeted and rained on and cleansed before it arrived
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at my house. I am breathing what is probably among
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the cleanest air on the planet, and I choose that
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with intent. But then there's also the methodology. Now, most people,
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you know, there's all these fads about, you know, breath work.
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These days, you got to get your breath work. And
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there are other people, like I've seen people go, well
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do you need breath work? I've been breathing since I
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was born. Why do I need breathwork? Well, if you
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look at the average life of say, your ancestors, and
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ninety nine percent of them up until the present day.
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Their normal day would involve a variety of different styles
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of breathing. There would be calm, quiet breathing when they
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first woke up in the morning. Then there's sprint breathing
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because they ran out of camp. Then there's long distance
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in dua breathing because they're out on a say, on
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an attrition hunt, or they're out hunting, or they're gathering.
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And then there might be you know, panic breathing or
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fear breathing. At some point in any given day, they
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would have used all these different breathing modalities, and those
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breathing modalities would have resulted in different things happening in
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the body. What happens for most people day is they
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spend most of the time sitting on their butts in
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their car, in their office, on their couch, not moving,
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crunching their lungs up, and not breathing deeply, and so
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as a consequence, they are you know, creating a variety
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problem including being slightly auxygen starved and also raising their
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cortisol levels because when you breathe really quietly, you're breathing
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like a prey animal who's afraid of being hunted. So
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your body feels a bit nervous about the whole thing,
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and so that first need is a matter of making
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sure that one gets the right quality, but also that
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one has the right methodology, and if they're if your
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physical lifestyle doesn't demand a variety of breathing methods, then
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you need to use consciousness to do breathing exercises to
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make that happen. Another example on urgency would be water.
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but you know you can go a day or two
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without water in urgency. Waters next, and again, most people drink,
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but what they drink is deplorable. I mean they drink
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soft drinks thinking you're hydrating, when they're doing the exact opposite.
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They drink coffee thinking there's water in it. Well, okay,
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technically there's water in it, but it's diuretic, so you're
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passing that water out. It's not to say you can't
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drink those things, but it's to say that we really
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do need to be properly hydrated. I have this sort
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of tongue in cheek expression that if we are seventy
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or eighty percent water and you're dehydrated, then what that
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means is you're operating on less of you. And so
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one of the principles that I would offer to people is,
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don't drink to address your thirst, drink to prevent it.
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Yeah, Center's guidelines per body weight drinks so many ounces
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of water, and most people don't drink enough water. I
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work really hard making sure I do, but yeah, I
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think most people don't.
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leave some space there. But you know, sunlight is clearly
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an important physical need of the body. And what's really
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tragic about this is that you know, you have a
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bunch of people that are phobic about the sun. Apparently,
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in roughly the sixties, the sun became very dangerous and
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we had to start protecting ourselves and we had to
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start covering our skin with clothes and weird creams and
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stuff to protect us from this evil sun. And I
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won't dispute the fact that the sun is capable of
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burning you, and that if you're living in a place
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that has more strength than you genetically evolved to be
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defended against, you need to be careful of it. But
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I want to put something else on the table here.
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If the sun suddenly became dangerous in nineteen sixty two,
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according to the big marketing campaigns for sunblock and what
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have you. Then why are elephants not sprouting cancer all
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over the place, and hippos and rhinos, and what about
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the leaves that are under the exact same sun the
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entire day? Why are they not getting sick? How did
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the sun get dangerous only for people? And what I
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would argue is that it was never about the sun,
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was or it was only ever tangentially about the sun. Look,
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if you're genetically from Norway and you move to Nigeria,
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you better be a bit careful about the sun. And
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if you're from Nigeria and you move to Norway, you
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better do everything you can to get enough sun. It's
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not that the sun is dangerous, it's that we have
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to have a good and conscious relationship with the sun.
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But then I think it is a lot more about,
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for example, the incredible increase in garbage, oil, seed oils,
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vegetable oils, highly processed foods. And now let me put
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it this way, if we started feeding elephants all that stuff,
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I think they'd beget in skin cancer too.
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Though we do not necessarily need to go to all
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these but I assume you we'd be talking about nutrition,
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about sufficient exercise and things like these things are make
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us basically support having a healthy organism which is going
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to support performance and success. And today's focus is performance
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and success. We have a day focused on longevity and
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healthy aging and so forth. We have a day focused
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on wealth and financial freedom. So this idea of beliefs,
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and when we talk about beliefs, then that's what we're
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going to talk about. Limiting bleefs and the common limiting
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beliefs that very often we've inherited from our family, from
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our culture, that get re enforced by this consumer of society.
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A lot of them had to do with either I'm
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not enough or there's not enough to go around, all
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the various extrapolations of all that. So I wonder if
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you could talk about that and kind of the world
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we're in today with all this rapid technological advancement and
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where people are, with the kind of human condition that
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we all have to work our way through, and whatever
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limiting core beliefs they've inherited, and what we're up against
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today in terms of being able to optimize our performance
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and success. Even I found that even having a conversation
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about performance and success. People they don't even want to
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go there. There's a lot of people that you know
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that just sets them up for feeling like self shaming
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and evaluation and comparison, and they just don't want to
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deal with that. And so we end up kind of
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withdrawing and living basically limited lives where we're in some
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kind of comfort zone. But for me, that's kind of
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sad because I think we're all designed to thrive and
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we all have tremendous possibilities. So how do you work
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with that in this notion of limiting beliefs? And Yeah,
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It's a fascinating conversation, particularly lighted the contrast between us
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more ancestral lifestyle and the way we live today. I'm
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going to say this that the idea of competition is
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quite interesting, and so the minute you start talking to
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people about peak performance, there are some people that will
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recoil and pull back from that. It feels very competitive
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and there's very high pressure. I was married years ago
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and to my first wife, and after we divorce, we
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were having a conversation about this and she says, well,
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I think you're teaching our son too much about competition.
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And I said I'm not really, but I mean, what
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do you mean. She goes, well, competition's bad and I
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said it's bad and she goes, yes, it's bad, and
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I said, okay. I said, if I remember correctly, you're
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currently studying a fine arts degree. You're trying to get
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a fine arts She goes yes, and I said, and
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what do you plan to do with that? And she goes, well,
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I'm going to get involved in maybe interior design or
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something like that. And I said, when you graduate and
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you start your business, will you start a website. She goes, well, yeah,
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of course I will. And I said, will you use
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the advanced education you've had to make sure that your
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website is more attractive than say, other websites. And she goes, okay,
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find some competition is reasonable, you know. But the fact
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is that competition has kind of become out of vogue.
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human condition. And what I would say is that one
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of the reasons that we have limiting beliefs today is
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that we can And what I mean by that is
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that the Hadzabi people don't have limiting beliefs that I've
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ever bumped into, because there's no space for that. They
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don't raise their children in an environment of entitlement like
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we're currently living. What Elon Musk might call with this
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like woke mind virus that's going on. Well, I would
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say that to a degree, at the heart of that
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woke mind virus is this sense of entitlement, the sense
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of I just get a trophy because I showed up
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for this thing, I'm entitled to everything. And a Hadzabi
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child is not brought up that way. You know. I
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asked the chief ones, I said, do you guys have depression?
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He didn't have a word for that. The translator couldn't
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a word for that. So I said, okay, do you
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have long term sadness? Oh? Yes, yes, we know about
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long term sadness. And I said, well, tell me about
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long term sadness. He goes, well, sometimes sometimes people can
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be said for even two or three days, but that's
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long term sadness. And he goes yeah. And I go, well,
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why how do they snap out of it? You know,
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how do they snap out of it? And he goes, well,
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after three days of sadness, you start getting hungry, right like,
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cause you're not a very good hunter when you're sad.
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And so guess what Hunger drives you to get up
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and move your body, which, as we know, has a
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huge impact on our state of mind and moves, you know,
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beautiful chemicals around our body, and all of a sudden,
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we're not sad anymore. And that may sound like an oversimplification,
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but it also describes the first five million years of
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human existence to some degree. So I think one of
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the big things that we want to consider about limiting
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beliefs is where they come from. And I'm going to
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tell you one day, I'm sitting with the Hasabi people
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and I see a small child of maybe two years,
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maybe eighteen months walking toward the fire, and I'm thinking
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that's a bad idea. As somebody who's burnt myself a
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number of times quite badly, once requiring skin grass in
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six weeks in the hospital, I was like, not keen
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for this child to burn themselves on the fire. And
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I felt myself getting very stressed anxious. As the child's
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moving toward the fire. I turned to the guide. I go, gasper,
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you got to stop that kid, and he goes, that's
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not how it works around here. I go, what do
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you mean? And they go, well, you know, the kid
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lives with the fire, he's going to have to learn
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how fire works. What you'd let him burn himself? Yeah,
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And the kid walked right up to the fire and
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leaned down and it took a stick. This is a
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two year old kid, and started poking around the fire.
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The kid did not burn themselves at all. And later
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on I go, well, he didn't burn himself, he just
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walked away, and he goes, yeah, but go look at
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his hand. Guess what, there's little scars from what he did.
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And so we now that sounds like a very cruel
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model of parenting in our world, right, a very cruel
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model of parenting. But there is a truth in there.
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And I think the truth in there is that we
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now are protecting our children so strongly. I think you've
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got a few years on me, But I think you remember,
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sticks and stones may break my bones, but words would
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never hurt me. Now, words hurt us. Words are violent.
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You know I'm easily. Don't offend me, don't push my buttons.
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And that is all part of this. It interferes with performance,
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It interferes with performance, mentality. It rewards people for a
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victim type mentality, which supports those limiting beliefs. So I
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think it's interesting to look at it first from the
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perspective of how that stuff comes up, and I think
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it largely comes up by overprotecting people. If we don't
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let our kids run and jump and experiment and play,
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and we don't let them skin their knee, and we
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don't let them try and fail, then we're going to
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raise some pretty entitled, delicate children. And I think that's
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a lot of what we're dealing with now.
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Yeah, I think that's a major cultural trend. And as
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you said that, since entitled then combines with the victim mindset,
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and it's very disempowering. And you know, of course we
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all want to I think, have compassion and want to
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try to create as even of a playing field as
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we can in life and support people. But I had
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one of my first spiritual teachers had an especially called
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idiot Compassion was compassion without wisdom, right, And you know
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that mindset is actually disempowering to people as railitating to people,
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you know. Yeah, So I think it's a major cultural
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trend that hopefully can turn around. My book radical responsibility
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is all about how to take a different view the
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power of choice and the power of taking ownership for
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and circumstances.
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I had an interesting conversation just a few days ago
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about feminism, chauvinism and you know, masculine, feminine, all this
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kind of stuff. I feel like I grew up at
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a time where I missed the sixties, so I never
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saw well, I saw the movies, but by the time
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I saw the misogynistic James Bond movies, they were already
478
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a little rough. Like if you look at the way
479
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Sean Connery treated women, you're already looking at my heye, dude,
480
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that's a bit much. But we watched over the years
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where we went from that in the sixties to a
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James Bond in the eighties that you couldn't even respect
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as a human being, like just no personality. And so
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men have been kind of asked to walk this careful
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line of I think of it as this very thin
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border between chivalry on one side and chauvinism on the other,
487
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and the damn border switches decade by decade. So we
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were talking about this and I said, well, you know,
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hang on a second out, should I or should I
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not help a woman lift her bag up into the
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overhead bin on the plane. Should I do it or not? Now,
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I can already tell you if you're in Norway and
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you do it, you're asking for some trouble because the
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Norwegian women are like, yeah, I don't need your help.
495
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There's a very egalitarian thing going on there. But I
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still prefer this Chilver's version of Look, if she looks
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like she's not as tall as me, and she looks
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smaller than me, and she's lifting heavy bag, I'd like
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at least to offer, right, I'd like at least to offer.
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But here's a twist though. If I lift it for
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her and she could have lifted it, then I just
502
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prevented her from getting stronger. And so I don't know
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the answer. I don't know. I don't know the answer.
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I want to do it, And I think about that
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a lot with our kids, Like at what point am
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I do I want to help them? Do I want
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to assist them? Do I want to make it easier?
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I think about the stuff that I went through as
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a child, and I can tell you right now I
510
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would fight with violence to protect my children from some
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of the things that I was subjected to as a
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child with violence, and yet I'm grateful for them because
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I'm living the life I am today because I face
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those adversities. There's a dichotomy.
515
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Yeah, this certainly is. And I think, you know, we're
516
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living in a more and more competitive world with current technology,
517
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Like it's more and more important to really educate yourself
518
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and really train yourself and really embrace whatever opportunities you
519
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can create for yourself, or you know, economically we're going
520
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to be left behind. You know, training people have a
521
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sense of entitlement and a victim mindset and like somehow
522
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somebody's going to you know, provide them with all this.
523
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It's always been doing people of the service, but I
524
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think it's even more so today because I think the
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bar is being ranged for taking ownership for our circumstance.
526
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I mean, the possibilities are, in my view, the possibilities
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for performance of success and entrepreneurship and career success, They've
528
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never been more open and more broad and now were
529
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dispersed some more democratic, but you still got to step
530
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up and do it. And if you don't know, there's
531
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going to be this huge gap between the worlds of
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the technologically educated of those who are not.
533
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Yeah, I completely agree. We are simultaneously living with more
534
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and more equal opportunity than we've ever had and also
535
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more disparity than we've ever seen. And it's tough to
536
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try to sort of figure out what's causing that one
537
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way or the other at times. But I do believe
538
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that the self direction piece is a big part of it.
539
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Just the other day, I was reading a story about
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a kid I don't remember in what country, but somewhere
541
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in Central East Africa, Central East Africa, somewhere in that region.
542
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His story basically was that, you know, these kids are
543
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all going to school, but they don't have power in
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their homes, so they can't do their homework. So what
545
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was happening is many of the kids were going to
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the local football fields where there were floodlights up for
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the football games, and they could do their homework there.
548
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And then he figured out a way of creating these
549
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solar lights that they could put in the villages where
550
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the kids would be able to study. And it's like, Wow,
551
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that's phenomenal. Like that's like saying, Okay, I know that
552
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I was born into adversity. I know that I'm in
553
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a challenging situation. But I'm not going to sit back
554
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and complain about it. I'm going to do something about it.
555
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And I find that amazing. You know, there's a lot
556
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of discussion in America and I'm Canadian, so I'm not
557
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gonna I don't have an opinion on elections and such
558
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or more to the point, if I did, it wouldn't matter.
559
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But I have noticed, though, is that what we seem
560
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to be wanting to do at the moment is it's
561
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like we seem to be wanting to divide people up,
562
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and we want to be able to let We want to, like,
563
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you know, create a group of people that feel very entitled,
564
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and then we want to promise them that we're going
565
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to take care of everything for them. And we have
566
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another group of people that are saying nobody should get anything,
567
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everybody should be completely self directed. And I'm like, I
568
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don't know where that balance is, but I do feel
569
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like if people are completely struggling and suffering, then it's
570
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hard for them to break out of that. But at
571
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the same point in time, if you hand them everything,
572
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they never will.
573
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Yeah. I think that's one of the big It's been
574
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a long standing issue and here I am an American
575
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and I think it's been a long stay. It's gotten
576
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worse and worse and worse. And the left right divide,
577
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you know, on the right, especially the Perth, you go
578
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to the right, everybody's on their own. You know, you
579
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don't get nothing right. And on the left, you know,
580
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on the right, it's like they don't want to hear
581
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anything about causes and conditions. Right, it's all about choice.
582
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And then on the left they don't want to hear
583
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anything about choice. They find that an defensive word. It's
584
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all about causes and condition Obviously it's both. Obviously we
585
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want to as a society try to create the best
586
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causes and conditions we can for everyone, knowing that it's
587
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never going to be perfect, but at least it's a
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level of opportunity to get it more and more equalized.
589
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And then at the same time, it comes down the choice.
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In the end, for every individual, it comes down the choice.
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So clearly it's a blend of the both. But it's
592
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gotten so divided that you can't even have conversations anymore.
593
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It's only in the podcast world that I like to go,
594
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where you can have people kind of center right, center left,
595
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people having really intelligent conversations about what we're talking about.
596
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But when you get into the mainstream anymore, it's just
597
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like they you know, they can't and talk to me.
598
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So it's gotten so extreme. Let's talk about in the
599
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world you're a business mentor, advisor, consultant, trainer, in the
600
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world of coaching business professionals and entrepreneurs, what do you
601
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.039
find are some of the limiting beliefs that most get
602
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.000
in their way and how do you help them transform those?
603
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.200
You touched on it a little bit earlier, but I
604
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think one of the biggest ones is I'm just I'm
605
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not good enough. I'm not enough. People don't understand the
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depth of their own magnificence very often, and I'm always
607
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sort of amused by that. I've been very fortunate in
608
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my life. I've owned companies in a variety of industries,
609
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in a variety of different countries. I've lived in seven
610
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countries now, I've traveled to seventy five. But if you
611
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knew me at fifteen years old, you would not have
612
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that was not the trajectory you would have predicted for me.
613
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At fifteen years old, I was quite literally homeless for
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a time. I mean, the idea that I would even
615
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finish school was in question, never mind go on to
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do great things, and I've been very lucky to do that.
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If I look now, and if I were to go
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back and have a conversation with myself at twenty, the
619
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twenty year old me would be blown away by my life,
620
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like blown away. There's no way. I owned a movie
621
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studio that used to belong to Industrial Light and Magic.
622
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I worked on Avatar parts of the Caribbean. I sat
623
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on one of our main stages with an entire World
624
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War two pow camp constructed millimeter by millimeter for accuracy,
625
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and I'm sitting in a director's chair and we're shooting
626
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scenes in there, and I have George Lucas sitting beside me.
627
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I went back and explained that to the ten year
628
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old version of me, there's no chance that kid believes that.
629
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The fact, though, is, and I'm using some extreme examples here,
630
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every one of us have things like that, Like there
631
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are things that we've achieved now that a younger version
632
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of a thought to be impossible, but somewhere along the line,
633
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our version of impossible became actually impossible. And I think
634
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:22.559
that's one of the biggest things is that I see
635
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.440
people really, you know, overestimating. I think Tony Robbins says
636
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.759
it really nicely, says, they overestimate what they can do
637
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in a day and underestimate what they can achieve in
638
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a lifetime. That's I think that's one of the biggest
639
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areas of limiting belief that really holds people back.
640
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So, you know, you reference that the ten year old
641
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Eric or even the twenty year old Eric wouldn't believe
642
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what has unfolded for you in your life. As we
643
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begin to experience some success, A lot of people suffer
644
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from what's known as imposter syndrome. And I've had my
645
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.720
challenges with that. Over the time, I managed to get
646
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beyond most of what I think, but it comes up
647
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every now and then when I step up to the
648
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next level, I find myself with peers that I once
649
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.519
thought were way up there somewhere and here I am,
650
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.799
you know, like what am I doing here? You know?
651
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It comes up that imposter syndrome. I wonder if you
652
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.000
could talk about that.
653
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I think that we have to recognize that imposter syndrome
654
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is it's like many things, it's neither good nor bad.
655
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It's just a matter of how it applies. Imposter syndrome
656
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is really designed to prevent you from being a charlotte.
657
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It's to prevent you from overstating your capacities. Phrase, it's
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a form of shame. It's designed to protect you and
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society from your potential dishonesty.
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You know.
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It's designed to stop somebody from overstating their ability to
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get things done. The challenge is that most people don't
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even get to that level where the imposter syndrome would
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be protecting them. They allow it to trigger for them
665
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way lower down, and as a result, this thing that's
666
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actually designed to protect them from overstepping their capacity is
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preventing them from achieving their capacity, achieving their potential. So
668
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I'll give you a very good example from my own
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life is that when I first started Wildfit, I started
670
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it because I had some twenty years researching nutritional anthropology
671
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.559
behavioral psychology, and I had stumbled upon some functional ideas
672
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about nutrition and food and they worked. I launched a
673
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company initially just with eight clients, and it worked for them,
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and then it worked for the next eight and then
675
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they started telling your friends, and the whole thing just
676
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grew organically, like it was the easiest thing I'd ever done.
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And then one day I'm at a Mastermind event with
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a bunch of my friends and there's a woman there
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and she's like, you know.
680
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I don't know.
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She calls herself a psychic business consultant or something, and
682
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it's not really my thing, you know, But she starts
683
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asking me about the company and where I see it going,
684
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and I go, I don't know. You know, I'm not
685
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a doctor, I'm not a certified nutrition it's all my
686
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limiting and these are facts. It doesn't mean they're not
687
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limiting beliefs. They're facts as well, though the limiting belief
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is that they matter, that me not having those things
689
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mattered in some way. And she looked at me, she goes,
690
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I've spoken to many of your clients and you're talking about,
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you know, diabetes reversals, cancer emissions, weight loss that could
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never be lost, menopause symptoms, fertility created where there was
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non sex, drive returned. You're getting results that are off
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the charts. It doesn't matter that you're not a doctor.
695
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Your results is what speaks. She goes. In fact, I
696
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can already see it now. Doctors will come to you
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for training. And at this point I knew she's a nutbar.
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I mean, she's doctors are going to come to me
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for training she's insane. Of course, here we are now,
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you know, five six years after that conversation, and many
701
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doctors come to us for training. My book Posts Diabetic
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that came out last year was co written by a
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doctor who I helped him reversu his diabetes when medical
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school didn't do that for him. The ford of that
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book was written by doctor Mark Hymen, one of the
706
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most recognized doctors on the planet, the woman who was
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absolutely right. What I suggest to people about imparstershandoma is
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recognizing that it's not an on off issue. It's a
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matter of gradient. And what I think most people are
710
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doing is allowing it to kick in too early. You
711
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shouldn't try to turn it off all the way because
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you do want it to You don't want to make
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claims that are unsubstantiated, or make claims that you can't
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live up to. But most people are preventing it from
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even putting themselves out there. And I'll just finish on
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this idea that most countries have some form of social breaking,
717
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you know, some form of socially holding back their populations.
718
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In Scandinavia they call it yantala. You shall not think
719
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you're special, you should not seek to teach others. They
720
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have this whole thing. And in Australia and New Zealand
721
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they call it tall poppy syndrome. The idea being, as
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you know, as a poppy farmer, you want if you
723
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see one poppy that grows a little too tall, that's
724
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not going to fit in the harvestors, you want to
725
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.799
cut that off so it doesn't breathe. Well, they have
726
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.039
the same idea. If you are too full of yourself,
727
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you're too bragging, then they got to cut you down
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to size right. Tall poppy syndrome in Britain there's no
729
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real name for it, but in Britain what happens is
730
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you start talking about some great you know, your books
731
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suddenly a bestseller and what have you, and the minute
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you turn your back, somebody's you know, oh it's all
733
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line for some people in it. You know, there's this
734
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judgment and I think many of us are trying to
735
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protect ourselves from that, and that's why we have the
736
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fake version of imposter syndrome. We got to shut that down,
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but not turn it off because it is there to
738
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protect us.
739
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Yeah, I think that a lot of people to talk about.
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You know, really, if we're in really optimizing our talents
741
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and optimizing really our contributional life, that's what success really
742
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ends up being, is our contribution to life. We have
743
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to get to a point where we're a little bit
744
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thicker skinned around all that kind of stuff. Like if
745
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we're constantly thinking about what other people think about us
746
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and other people say about us, it's going to be
747
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very limiting. So, you know, this idea of performance and
748
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successes we've discussed immediately brings up like your ex wife,
749
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.400
as you mentioned it, like competition is just bad. It's
750
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.119
just categorically bad. And you know, this whole idea of
751
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you know, performances brings up a lot of stuff for
752
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.119
people in our current culture. There's a lot of people
753
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.840
that have been in culturated to think performance and success
754
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are somehow bad. Anybody that does succeed is egotistical or
755
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.000
somehow bad, or they're stepping out of other people, all
756
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these kind of things. So there's all these mindsets that
757
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need to be worked with. And then this is also
758
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.840
tied in to our mindsets around our own income and
759
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our own level of financial security, financial freedom, or wealth,
760
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which we can have a lot of limiting mindsets around
761
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and so all these things are really just energy and possibility,
762
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and you know, but we build all these other things
763
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into it. So I wander if you could talk about
764
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.599
maybe what you see are some important mindsets shifts, mindset
765
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.559
shifts people need to make so that they we can
766
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.360
get into a place where we are able to take
767
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:26.079
whatever talents we have and life experience and take that
768
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.440
into the world and really make a valuable contribution with it,
769
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and therefore begin to experience some success and probably begin
770
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to experience some financial ward and wealth creation and so forth.
771
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.800
What are some of the basic shifts we need to
772
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.800
make if that's not happening for us, if we find
773
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.159
ourselves box in, even if we want to do that,
774
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sometimes we find ourselves as hitting a wall, or there's
775
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.239
two steps forward, one step back, or worse, one step
776
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.880
forward two steps back. So what are the kind of
777
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.840
mind shifts that we need to embrace or try to cultivate.
778
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So you know, there are a lot of people who
779
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.039
have spoken about the limiting beliefs and how they affect
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our relationship with mine. Harvecker has done some phenomenal work
781
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in that area. And I've spoken to a lot of
782
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people about that stuff over the years, and very often
783
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they're like, Oh, I don't really see how these beliefs
784
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are affecting me. I mean, I go and I do
785
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my job, and I get my salary, and I get
786
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my pay rise, and I invest in and so on.
787
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I mean, what I believe one way or the other
788
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about money isn't going to have that big an impact.
789
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And I would argue very strongly against that. I would say,
790
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in one example, if you have a fundamental belief that
791
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rich people are bad, evil people, which is a very
792
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.559
popular narrative, then on some level, your subconscious mind is
793
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going to want to prevent you from becoming one of
794
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those people. Here's a funny little thing for you, is
795
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that if we look at all the superheroes in the world,
796
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you know, all the superheroes that have been created, DC,
797
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Marvel and the rest, Here's something you might not have
798
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.559
noticed before. But all of them are orphans, all of them.
799
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It's just the deal. The deal is, if you want
800
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.599
to be a superhero, you got to lose your parents.
801
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And that's just the way it is. But then there's
802
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another trend and the other trend is that, with three exceptions,
803
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none of them have money. Even Superman, who can create
804
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diamonds from coal, lives a moderate life as a reporter,
805
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living in his little apartment. He doesn't have any money.
806
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:07.400
Why But the three that do have money, they're very
807
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telling they have money, but they're also not particularly good guys.
808
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I mean, Batman is this vigilante, dark soul at odds
809
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with the police. You got Iron Man, who's a misogynistic
810
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drug abuser. You got Green Arrow, who's even worse. They're
811
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the only three that have money. But you know what
812
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.639
else is interesting about them, They don't have any superpowers.
813
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.920
They're the only superheroes that don't have superpowers because rich
814
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people buy their privileges. Like the hatred or disrespect or
815
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.320
distrust of rich people has been baked into our literature,
816
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baked into our entertainment, and baked into our society. And
817
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that's a problem because as you grow up and you
818
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.559
start trying to find your own way financially, those subconscious
819
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beliefs are going to have an impact. If you have
820
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.679
a belief that rich people are bad and evil, you
821
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don't want to be bad and evil. Therefore, something might
822
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get in the way. But I can give a more
823
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.760
tangible example of that I bumped into recently, and it's
824
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very important. The more wealth somebody develops, the money and
825
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power they attract, the more opportunities they attract, clearly, And
826
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that's an interesting thing because what happens is that the
827
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.559
average person might have two or three or four amazing
828
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.480
opportunities in their year, and they either say yes or
829
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.559
no to those things and move on. But the more
830
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.079
money you have, the more power you have, the more
831
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.280
of those opportunities find their way to you. So let's
832
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.760
use Richard Branson as an example. I'm a big fan.
833
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:25.159
I was just with him a couple of weeks ago,
834
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:26.880
and I'll share a little bit about that in a second.
835
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.239
But if you think about Richard Branson on any given day,
836
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who can he not have lunch with? I mean, if
837
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.199
you want to have lunch with Chris Martin or Mick Jagger,
838
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.079
or a president or a prime minister or any CEO.
839
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.880
I mean, what concert could he not go to? What
840
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.480
event could he not have immediate tickets to? There's literally
841
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.960
on any given day he has to say no to
842
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.519
nine thousand amazing opportunities that most of us would feel
843
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.960
heartbroken if we simply had to choose between two of them.
844
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.280
You know, the average person has this ridiculous situation where
845
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.960
they get invited to two great events. This happened to
846
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.320
me many years ago. Funny enough, speaking about Richard, I
847
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.000
was invited to go to his private reserve just outside
848
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.760
the Kruger National Park in South Africa, which is my
849
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.719
spiritual home, the Kruger Park. But I also was invited
850
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.039
to speak at this incredible event that I'd wanted to
851
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.760
speak at for years. And they're on the same weekend.
852
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.800
So the way most people will deal with that is
853
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.599
that they will do one with their heart in the other.
854
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.519
They will do one and lament with sadness where they're not.
855
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.280
And in other words, they don't get to do either
856
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.239
of them. What I would suggest is one of the
857
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.119
most powerful things that we want to do is we
858
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.199
want to figure out how to just simply be present
859
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:39.199
in the one that we're present at with And so
860
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.280
funny enough, I was actually with Richard a couple of
861
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.199
weeks ago on Necker and we are having a big conversation.
862
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.320
I asked him outright, I said, Richard, I use you
863
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.320
as an example all the time for this concept of
864
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.320
how dangerous the fear of missing out can be. I
865
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.480
think the fear of missing out can be one of
866
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.360
the greatest psychological and subconscious blocks to wealth that exist
867
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.000
on the planet today. And you must be really good
868
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.159
that because on any given day, you could be with
869
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.559
anyone doing anything. I said, for example, you're here with
870
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.400
us right now, but you could be anywhere else. He goes.
871
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.480
I said, how do you deal with that? And he says, oh,
872
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.639
it's really simple. You just be where you are with
873
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.320
the full gratitude of where you are, and you let
874
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.679
go of what you didn't do. That sounds really simple,
875
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.000
but the average person can't master that. The average person
876
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:20.920
gets invited to two parties, they go to the one
877
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.760
party and they lament the one they're not at. And
878
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.599
if we can change just that one shift in our mindset,
879
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.239
I think it opens all kinds of massive doors for
880
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.719
upgrade of attraction of wealth and power and so on.
881
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.199
Yeah, that's fascinating and a fascinating example. So these challenges
882
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.000
I mean with performance and success, and if that's associated
883
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.239
with wealth creation, it raises a bar for many aspects
884
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.079
of our life. There's challenges. It's like living in a challenge.
885
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.280
One of my first teachers talked about living in a challenge.
886
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:50.559
We got to step up and step up to the challenge.
887
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:52.800
And for many of us, you said you were kind
888
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.400
of naturally lazy. I don't. I think I agree with
889
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:57.519
not in a pejorative sense. But you know, even our
890
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.639
brain is constantly economizing what it does with its energy, right,
891
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.519
and so we're set up to economize and to biologically
892
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.599
remain comfortable. So I think for a lot of us,
893
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.159
we may have a lot of limiting core beliefs, but
894
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.519
one of our real limitation is kind of an addiction
895
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.239
to comfort. Yeah, and so we think as long as
896
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.239
I'm comfortable, I'm going to be okay. Right when we
897
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:18.760
step out, we're stepping out of our comfort zone. And
898
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.400
so unless we learn to thrive on that, you know,
899
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.679
being outside our comfort zone, it's going to be kind
900
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.599
of hard to really really progress.
901
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:28.440
I make this very important point right in line with
902
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.880
what you're saying, and that is that we are today,
903
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.119
without question, living in the time of the greatest safety
904
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.519
and ease, security and comfort that we have ever lived in.
905
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.880
I realized that the CNN and Fox and the news
906
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.760
networks want to tell us all the time, how scared
907
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.679
it is. But on every level, except perhaps our our environment,
908
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:49.199
we can talk about that as a separate issue. But
909
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.840
on the personal level, we live with greater financial security,
910
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.800
greater food security, greater home security. Life for children is
911
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.960
literally twice as safe from crime today as it was
912
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.719
in the seventies and the seventies. We are allowed to
913
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.559
run around and play and do we want, but now
914
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.719
we wrap our kids up in bubble wrap, and yet
915
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.440
the streets are twice as safe as they ever were.
916
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.239
Females now are almost completely at parody with a primary education,
917
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.800
and are getting better education at secondary level than then
918
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.119
in many cases like we are living in a time
919
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.280
of the best times in the history of Earth to
920
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:21.480
be alive, and yet there's more addiction, more psychotropic drug prescription,
921
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.920
more anxiety, more alcoholism, and more suicide than ever before,
922
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.880
and those numbers are growing. Why how is it possible? Then,
923
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.599
in the easiest, best times ever, more people are depressed
924
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.079
and opting out than ever before. And that's because, just
925
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.199
to your point, comfortable isn't better.
926
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:41.159
Absolutely absolutely so, if you could say something about the
927
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.480
role of identity and all this, so you take all
928
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.639
of our beliefs living or otherwise even our pot whatever
929
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.360
sets of beliefs and mindsets we have. You wrap all
930
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.800
this together, it can be kind of our identity. And
931
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.000
for me, I want to and you know, we start
932
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.199
off as these little creatures that have to develop some
933
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.599
kind of individual self to navigate the world, and all
934
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.239
try to that is just complete and permanent fluidity, groundlessness,
935
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.199
which actually is the nature of life, tremendous uncertainty. But
936
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.000
we developed that and as adults, we're arriving adulthood with
937
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.159
whatever level of functional self we have, depending on how
938
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.679
loving and stable are upbringing was or lack thereof. And
939
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.360
but that identity can also become a big liability because
940
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.800
if I change dramatically, well then who am I? It
941
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.360
can be very unsettling. And I can even have I
942
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.159
can know that I do a lot of things that
943
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.320
are not in my own interest. But I've just always
944
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.679
been that way and the world has kind of always
945
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.360
been that way. And I think a lot of us
946
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.360
just don't think the world's going to change or that
947
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.519
we can change, and we build an identity around that
948
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.360
that we're actually would defend to the death in some
949
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.960
cases rather than step into the possibilities of a changing.
950
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.920
So I wonder if you could talk about the role
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of identity and what we're talking about.
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It's a very important conversation in a sense. You know,
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humans are these pattern spatters, like we from the very
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earliest times, we were trying to spot patterns, like, oh, look,
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you and I were eating over there last season, and
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we dropped a bunch of seeds, and now there's plants
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growing there. You don't think we could do that, And
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then of course agriculture gets born. We spotted a pattern,
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we created a belief, or let's say, initially a theory.
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The theory is if we put the seeds there, maybe
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we can grow plants. Once it worked, we then had
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a belief. Now we have a belief that we can
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grow things. But then soon what happens is that we
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transcend the belief and we move to identity. We become farmers.
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You know, you have to ask yourself the question is
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that a good or a bad thing? And I would
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argue it could be both. I mean, if it wasn't
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for our capacity to develop agriculture and become farmers, we
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would never be able to grow the kind of civilizations
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and cities that we have today, and the kind of
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technology we have today. But on a personal level, I
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would say that the shift of identity to a farmer
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was a shift to an identity that was not a
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match with our normal instincts, in our normal biology, and
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it came with a bunch of consequences ranging from cavities
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to bone disease to depression. So identity, really, you know,
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in a sense, is like, well, let's think of it
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this way. First, you spot patterns, you develop a theory,
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you test the theory, you create a set of beliefs.
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Then those beliefs become so solidly formed that they become
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a conviction, and those convictions ultimately form your identity. And
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the idea then is that means that's now, in theory, unchangeable,
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and that can be a really powerful thing or a
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really dangerous thing in a powerful way. You know, if
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you imbue in your kids a sense of identity that
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they are champions, that they're successful, that they can achieve
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real things, then that sense of identity will shortcut their
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decisions in the future. There's a great story about a
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kid who was given the wrong SAT scores, told that
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his essayst scores were way higher than they really were.
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The kid goes on and does really well in school
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because he believed how smart he was. Turned out he'd
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completely failed the SAT scores, but his identity wasn't that
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because he wasn't told that. Right, what are you know?
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We're coming to the end of our time here. This
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has been really illuminating, Eric, and I wonder what you
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envision in terms of, you know, overall human potential.
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Where we are.
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We realize, you know, there's trends that are not helping
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us out, and there's a lot of trends that are
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and we are up against the limitations of human CAUs
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climate change. That's one of the things that's not better,
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and we're gonna have to find a way to deal
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with that. But I don't think we're going to deal
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with that through victim mindset thinking. I think we're going
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to deal with the tree. Tremendous creativity and what I
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call raq responsibility, taking ownership and so forth is how
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we're going to find the solutions. But I'm curious about
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what you see in terms of the kind of mindset
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and hard sets so we could embrace that are really
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going to allow us to participate in creating and manifesting
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the future. Of humanity on this planet in the best
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possible way. It's a big time maybe. I'm also asking
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you if you're an optimist or a pessimist.
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I'm decidedly both. And you know what I'm gonna let's
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use the climate conversation as a as an envelope for
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that discussion. I find it to be an endlessly interesting
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conversation to have. And the reason I find it endlessly
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interesting is I always ask myself, if we are arguing
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about something, why are we arguing about it?
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Like?
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Why? You know? I think it's interesting to take a
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look at who are the forces that would like us
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to keep arguing about this? And so if if we
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look at the environment as a larger conversation, here are
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some things that are undeniable. There are microplastics all over
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the planet. There are air quality problems in most major
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cities around the world. There are water quality issues all
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over the planet. There are depleting natural resources all over
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the planet. We have mass extinctions happening on a regular basis,
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and that's very serious. Now, all of those things are
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black and white, measurable. There's no argument about them. There's
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no argument that there's microplastics everywhere there's no argument that
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we have air quality problems. There's no argument, so therefore
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we don't discuss them. Instead, what we've done is we've
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picked another topic that there is argument about. We've picked
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something that's nebulous and incredibly difficult to prove and incredibly
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difficult to predict the outcome of, and we spend all
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of our time arguing about that one thing so that
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we don't have to take any action on it, or
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so that we can take taxable action on things that
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don't really have much impact. If we took all of
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the effort that we put into this conversation about climate change,
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and we put it into say, the reduction of plastics
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in our environment, we kind of a measurable impact that
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would probably also positively impact our impact on climate. To
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give you an idea of how like how crazy I
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think this is, I don't know if you happen to
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know the answer to this. It's an interesting trivia question.
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When did the last Ice age end? And I'll give
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you a clue. It's a trick question. So when did
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the last Ice age end?
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Well, I guess the trick question is maybe it hasn't
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ended yet, but I would think it's like ten fifteen
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thousand years ago.
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No, No, it hasn't ended yet. No, you're right, you're
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right the first time. It has not ended yet. Now now,
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if you're watching CNN, they keep talking about the last
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ice age. We are in it. And an ice age
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is defined as a period of time where the polar
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caps are encapsulated in ice, and a non ice age
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is when they're not. And then during an ice age,
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you have these periods of glaciation, and then you have
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these interglacial periods. So we are currently in an interglacial
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period of the current ice age, and those interglacial periods
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run every fifteen, twenty thirty thousand years. We happen to
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be in normally, we happen to be in a cycle
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where that might be coming to an end. But now,
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what nobody can tell us is are we coming to
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the end of that interglacial and going back to glaciation,
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or are we coming to the end of that glaciation
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and the end of our entire ice age. We don't know,
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We have no idea, we can't possibly predict it, and
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yet we dedicate almost all of our media to that debate,
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in that discussion, and we can't possibly know the answer.
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What we do know is we're cutting down our forests.
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We know that we're polluting our air, we know that
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we have plastic everywhere. We know all that we could
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be fixing all of it, but instead the media wants
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us to argue about something that can't be answered. I
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think this is largely where we need to start the
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conversation about human potential is we need to start getting
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informed and we need to start getting realistic about what
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really the problems are that we can agree on. Instead
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of looking for what we can't agree on, we've got
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to seek out what we can agree on. In terms
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of I agree, I.
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Think all those very specific things things we could do
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something about, and in the end they would possibly probably
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also impact any contribution that we're making to human clubs
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climate change.
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Yeah, In terms of the personal journey, when we take
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it look at our own personal direction, I think the
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biggest problems that we're facing today are quite literally that
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we have a biology, a set of instincts, the set
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of cravings, a set of physical directives that are different
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from the environment that we find ourselves living in today.
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And I would put that almost all of the pain
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suffering anxiety depression disease that we suffer with today is
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as a result of the gap, this evolutionary mismatch, or
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let's call it nature deprivation syndrome, or what we call
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the evolution gap in the book. And what I would
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suggest is that our job now is to create a
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synthesis of understanding that combines really solid ancestral wisdom, learning
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from our evolutionary design, from evolutionary biology, and then combining
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that with the best that we can learn from modern
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00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:51.880
civilization and modern technology to create the best life experience.
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And I think that's the opportunity that's in front of
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us today.
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I completely agree with you just voice it is one
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of the ways that we voice articulately. Our mission of
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heart mind is the inner of current science with ancestral
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wisdom to increase well being and benefit for everyone. So
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this has been illuminating. Thank you very much. Where can
1115
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people find out more about your work, about your Wildpit program,
1116
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your book and so forth.
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Absolutely, they can go to the Evolution Gap dot com.
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The book is the actually actually gapfinder dot com is
1119
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.039
now up and it's an evolutionary mismatch evaluation that you
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can go through and asks you a bunch of questions
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about various areas of your life and then produces a
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00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.079
report that kind of helps you to understand where your
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evolutionary mismatch are and the steps you can take to
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close that and improve the conditions. Wildfit is at getwildfit
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dot com and if anybody wants to reach out to me,
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I manage my own Instagram account and they can find
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me there, and I'm simply at Eric Edmeads.
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Wonderful, wonderful, Well, Thank you so much. Ic. This is
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00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.079
really has been really enriching and illuminating and empowering conversations.
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Thanks for having me, Good luck Thanking.
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