Why Your Ski Boots Feel Wrong: 3 Angles That Matter - Phil From SkiTalk

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[SPEAKER_00]: Setting up your ski boots with the right angles can really make a difference to how balanced you feel, how much energy you've got and how your turns feel when you're out on snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, there's not like a one-size-fits-all or rules that really go across everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, the upper cuff angle, the forward lean angle, just because the best gear in the world maybe has like 17 degrees doesn't mean you should have that same angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the goal of today's podcast was to give you some more guidelines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've got expert Phil from Skeetock here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's done tons of scare reviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a boot fitter himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've taken him with boots a lot within my career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've sat down to try and give you some help, some advice on
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether for you, if you have bigger calves, what you should do with your forward lean, if you have not much range in your ankle joint, should you have more ramp angle or less ramp angle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the kind of things we wanted to give advice around some handrails to help you make some decisions and work with your boot fitter, to get you the best fitting, most fun, most comfortable, best performing ski boots, yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: so join Phil and I in this podcast as we discuss boot angles let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So kicking off with will we start with the the binding first go from the base up for this angles discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all thanks for having me back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a ton of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get
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[SPEAKER_01]: emails, I wouldn't say weekly, but maybe two, three times a month saying that this was one of the best shows we have last year being on your show and I appreciate you have me back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, a lot of people undervalue the interface with the binding and when the binding has basically two jobs hold you in their relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, forget them, and but we're going to talk about the variable, which is to performance of it and that's getting into the stance angle of it, but most of the bindings now are around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably four to five millimeters of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Delta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that means the heel is four to five millimeters higher than that of the toe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that where that gets into some craziness is as a boot gets smaller and larger, that amount changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So while the five, five millimeters difference is the same to the toe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the angle changed because of the size of the boot and for guys we're going to feel that more with a smaller men's boot a 24 25 on the winner side when they get into a 21 and 22 that changes that dramatically in that stance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and specifically with women having that shorter leg and sometimes they do have a more athletic calf, which again has a variable that comes into this stance positioning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll, okay, so most of the findings out there now are about four millimeters higher in the heel, then the toe, and then that gives us a slightly sloping forward sloping angle when we put our foot in the binding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what you're saying is that four millimeter difference the angle it creates,
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[SPEAKER_00]: very quite differently between say a big tall six foot four guy in a long boot because that formula over like, yeah, that big long distance is not much of a slope compared to say a lady in a 22.5.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's going to feel steeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's that difference, but you you told me now some brands try and get rid of that factor So can you go through which bindings now that that Delta stays the same regardless of the length of your boot and maybe some ones where it's not changing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think the one that has really addressed the best is Tyrolia and in their system bindings that I think it's called the true balance plate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And basically the toe in the heel, the way the the rails are set up, it they're angles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as that finally comes in and out the Delta stays the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that they've been very progressive in that sense with their system bindings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we noticed that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And going back and what's really helped them in some of this process was going quite frankly with grip walk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, again, getting back to Tyrolia when the supershaves and...
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[SPEAKER_01]: some even the joy series first came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were using a flat, a regular, uh, ISO 5355, 5355 Topeys, the flat Topeys, and which is fairly low, and they were up to 7 millimeters of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Delta in that stance, and when you brought that really in, I mean, that was like the women were on high heels pushing them forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've corrected that and eliminated and made it much better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we've had situations where people said, well, I was on that see, I didn't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're a different time now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen a lot of these variables come out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, most of these manufacturers are working in that four to five millimeters adults, until we have a level, much a greater level of consistency in all the brands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as important as it used to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, but I guess if I'm, if we're talking to some of the people who are like on the East Coast and they're like a racier type ski where it is not a system binding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a plate and you're screwing it in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: consider or say on their recreational ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've liked how something felt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is adjustable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to race ski, they might need to put a lifter under the heel if they got a bigger boot to get a similar kind of...
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because the response again to be in that 45-millimeter rate, 45-millimeter range also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you might be looking at a little bit of a heel lift or a little bit of a gas pedal depending on the body, but it's has not to be as much of a problem that the difference is across the board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, most of it is about the same other than
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where markers a little bit different with their system bindings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That actually is a negative delta on their system bindings that the heel is higher than the toe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, sorry, the toe is higher than the heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, yeah, the toe is higher than the heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the nakedest delton, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're seeing that on many markers, system bindings that you might find on a K2, you'll find that on a vocal ski and a blizzard, whoever's been in New Yorker, that you use some marker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're used to be two, three millimeter difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's more and now one, two millimeter range as far as that difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I cover this a lot when we're demoing, and we're talking about demo bindings, that delbines react a different than a retail version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That ski really was an amateur difference because she tends to demo with the retail version of the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that one is a little bit gaspeded on the toe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the only thing that's really off in that bit of a side bar of the way that they're setting out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my gut feeling will see change in that in the next few or a couple of years
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if we've got this difference and it's unbindings like the marker, it's actually negative, so the toe is a little higher, generally though other bindings, the heel is higher to create this angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, would you say based on your experience yourself talking with other testers, varying abilities, maybe body types, are there any hints here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you'd be able to go, hey, you know what, these kind of people really like the negative binding feel of the market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people really like, well, these people hate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there any clues there to have like, if someone might have been obsessed, like, oh, I only, I never ski marker, I hate marker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they might be missing out because the negative delta is helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, any blues there to be to be clues one somebody that has a turkey drumstick of a lay it's got a huge calf that's going to push them forward that person might like that negative delta and or what's for just a gas pedal in the book and that to get them a little more skeleton stacked in neutral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they might prefer that and on the flip side, somebody like myself that has a really thin leg that I don't have a lot of thigh to push me forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a lot of foreign lean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that more positive doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like his 17 degree forward lean in the boot because I don't have a calf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Push me forward to push you forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be a calf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Possibly it could be helpful with a marker negative delta binding because it balances you out stops you You have a flexing and then skinnier Carves you you can you might not find that is helpful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, would you say also to then because some I guess it comes down to their boot choice too If you're not in a if if calf's aside say you're an average calf
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got a really forward leaning boot and you find you just stuck there all the time, then you might enjoy that negative change and vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got a really upright boot a change you could make without if you love your boots is actually choosing a finding with more ramp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is a hardcore situation which comes first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, and I do a lot of boothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I see somebody that has a lot of calf, I'll immediately with an upright boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As upright as I can, or even some of the new hybrid furniture, a rear-engine boost like the
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[SPEAKER_01]: like the Nordica HF or the new atomic nexus that the front of the Buddhist static and the back and combates that calf where the front of the blue will keep them helped keep them in that skillfully stacked athletic position and the back and combates it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I'm dealing with the boot that has a strong spine, I might guess about that that person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got one guy in
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he can fold over a 150 like it's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to put him in, I might gas pedal his boot three, four millimeters, and then he still likes a boot that has negative delta just because he can fold over anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we should probably then we're gonna say we're gonna give a bit of warning here We might be jumping around the place here because it's not simple It's not like a plug and play situation, but I guess if we come back to being long-term skiers
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know or like what people looking for is I guess one being able to access a stance that's quite athletic So so so when you're getting in your boot and you're binding you want to be able to flex your ankle move up and down
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[SPEAKER_00]: and feel like for me anyway you can give your opinion but for me I feel like I want to be out of equally access like as much ball the foot pressures I want but also be able to apply some pressure on the heel so I can work the full length.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm basing everything around that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm not feeling much access to the ball of foot, or if I can't really bend down much, I'm going to need to address angles throughout this whole system of binding and boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything you wanted to add there, so people like, okay, my goal here with tinkering with everything is this feeling and any
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[SPEAKER_01]: the three words that you said that the most important is flex your ankles and flexing your ankles because for years we've always heard from structures, bend your knees, bend your knees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean you could bend your knees and still be sitting in the back seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't flex your ankles, if you flex your ankles, it's going to keep you in that skillfully stacked position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you compress your spring, flexing your knees can pop that spring out
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think flexing your ankles is key, and what we're going to be talking about, there's no rules to this, but there's a lot of guidelines, and those guidelines are going to be good for 80% of it, and again, there's always going to be some variables, and this matter of balancing what's right and what's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing that is perfectly correct in this situation, but there's a lot of things that are right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even as they say from Mass Defit is, do you know harm?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the whole thing in this is we want to set everybody up for success.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in this process, in this stance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where we get into, we talked about delta and ramp and the bond and how they all integrate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But how that boot flexes and how they can stay scultly stacked over that boot, give the ability of justing for an app, because we're definitely in that three, three-day situation with variable snow and such.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And keeping in that, that, that, that's what it positioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're on the right page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked to 10 different people about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as fitters and bread and bread and bread leave had on and a couple others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to agree on the lot of the same things then what we might use different verbiage for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's still the same results in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go to we've talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: probably being aware of the the delta in your bindings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it might not be you on a day trying a ski going, I don't like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Understand, like, just take that factor into consideration, and we talked about calf size as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so we've discussed that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving up into the ramp angle
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do people even know what rampangle they've got to most boots now say what it is most we're we're seeing actually this is where These angles are changing a lot from brands and anywhere from a seven degree Rampus either boot with something like the UPZ Down to zero on some boots on or one degree like the Kessley boot which it which is a lot different and we're actually one
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's here at one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really low and again, somebody might correct me on this, but it's not for it's below the fort seems to be about the benchmark of a boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you bring that boot up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it just so people got a visual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm talking about with ramp angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bring it a little higher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this here again, just take this out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a 12 degree forward lean and a 4 degree,
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[SPEAKER_01]: ramp inside of the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this gives us a good positioning as far as a place to store.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you've got your little toy there as far as the foot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you, here's the question for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, two things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you've got somebody that has a very rigid ankle, what happens when they try to flex that boot?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what they have to do, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if this doesn't flex much,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the only thing you can do is lift your heel up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where people get a lot of pressure on the humanitarian vessels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They start burning a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They get a lot of shin pressure on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now what we can do with that is we can take something like a heel left here and put that in here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what that is going to do, that is going to open up the ankle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The leg shift stays the same angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But exactly and what that does, now that opens up
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean that that's an option what can happen now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also have to be careful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It pushes us up into the top of the liner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're a lot of our blood flow is so there's things that we need to address exactly there because that's where all of our plumbing is on top of our foot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean we take a look at that also and again so that's something to take a
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'm going to summarize that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're listening and you are a stiff ankle person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know that wall test you put your foot against the wall or against and you see can how far can you need go past your toes and say you're like you barely can get past your toes
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[SPEAKER_00]: fill put in a heel wedge there, a heel lift, then open up the ankle joint without changing the angle of the shin bone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember, I'll wait for you to come back here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're not okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the flip side, if somebody is very hypermobile in that ankle,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they can put that in a way, post that talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then what we might do is lower that step inside there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see here, now this side here is lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what that does, that closes that ankle a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that takes some of that away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember doing that with the pair boots once and it being instantly
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[SPEAKER_00]: better because i've got quite flexible ankles i can i can put my knee pretty far and i remember yeah having a pair of boots that had obviously too much ramp angle and i ground the heel down and it instantly i just felt like i was in the center of the ski like in my mind or the feeling i have when i know my set up is right is in the middle of a turn
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like I'm standing in the middle of the tip and the tail when it bends like a trampoline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm right in the middle of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, I can push more on the tip or more on the tail with the same amount of ease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I get this working in the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's other variables coming in as far as it's equivalent as far as the height of the person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of variables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But these are the first things that we take a look at as a boot fitter and not just a boot sales person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this foreign, foreign athlete, getting them neutral in the boot first?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, then we work from there because, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a variable that if they got multiple piercings, they need to be able to take from ski to ski to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is their constant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of the reasons that we say, we invest, we, we data skis and we merit our boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we're going on a trip somewhere, this is why our boots are our carry on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we can't replicate this with a pair of round to boots or even going into a shop and having them rebuild the boot there, it's going to take days for a shop to build boot for most people, for a high level skier that has these needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then to put a wrap on that one, if there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: some things going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, sorry, if you are modifying with a heel lift, because you got a tight ankle, the plumbing of our foot, because all the blood and nose runs over the top here, we're going to also lifting this top of our foot up closer to those buckles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you might need some more work to create some space there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then for
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[SPEAKER_00]: vice versa if we're dropping the heel down because like the that bootboard we're grinding a little bit you might you're going to be changing the contact around whether the in-step and the ankle is even sometimes the flex there in small amounts maybe not much of a deal but if you're taking like a good
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[SPEAKER_00]: two, three mil out of something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're really going to change the feel of that bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the millimeters of my own, so with this, it making these nuanced changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make them in small increments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, this conversation that we're happening, I really hope that the amount of viewers that we get on this step there might be a couple people out there that haven't had our moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Say, yeah, that's the problem I'm having.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This explains it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal of videos like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we can help a handful of people, we've done our job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, so we're moving up now, hiring the boot around the cuff still talking about these four after angles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So up around here,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we want to, a lot of people looking for there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know you've got the right forward lean or whether, because in that spot, you can add material or things to the front, and to the back, I guess that's some boots, you've got the adjustability to change those angles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess where do you think you'd say, how do people know they're in the right zone with their forward lean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, again, there's a lot of numbers getting thrown around, talk to different people about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On more of a touchy-feely-fitter is I want to see how they feel in that and what's right for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's a balance of what's right and correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about correct all day long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about what's right for that skier and make them comfortable and get them out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've got no problem with a lot of my people is that in my fit process, is they might come back a couple of times that we do tweaks here and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of the things quite frankly, I miss I'm working on the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where I can have somebody go out, send them out for a couple of runs, they come back, send them out a couple of runs and go back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was always a great option to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm close to them out now, but I'll go out skew with them too and see how they feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See if I notice anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not in the structure and I don't pretend to be one, but I can also see how they stand in the boot and if they're comfortable or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we might work with little things out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, first and foremost,
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[SPEAKER_01]: First part of performance is comfort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't get in that boot in that boot, it's not comfortable for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be out there performing the best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the first stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where if the cuff area, where we've got to flare the back of that cuff to accommodate the calf, if we've got to cut down the saddles on the sides again, to accommodate that calf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we've got to add a special thing,
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[SPEAKER_01]: boiler to the back like I have to do with mine to get them in that's that their proposition I'll take a look at that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's a lot of things that will take a look at in this process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the big so let's go with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not the average person, then just fits the boot and they're like, this is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you in a couple of years time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've got the big calf person red flags that is not like just keep skiing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A red flag would be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like pressure against the back of your your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I burn five I burn yes, yeah, because their their skeletons holding their muscles are holding them up because their leg is pushed so far forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not skeletons stacked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first thing I'll take a look at and I said and I look at them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I bet you go your thighs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kill you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't ski past lunchtime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you could be Schwarzenegger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the quit this working against you and just get me like person that skis coming out from underneath lot, they have trouble getting forward that they're not in that position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can be too upright and I run into that also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ran into that problem with the negative del sub binding when the mantra M6 came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mark was still using the original demo bond, which was a negative delta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just could knock it over that ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I moved the binding up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I moved the binding back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to 177, tried to win 84.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just pulling my hair up until I looked at the binding and realized there was a difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went, I went head to head with the developers at Marker, the engineers in this process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a difference in this that the demo binding is different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the retail version, and long story short, maybe too late now, but eventually two years down the road, they made a running change on it, and made the demo binding emulate the retail binding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a difference in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that there's an Australian skier cross guy that I've met, and he's been trying to figure out his boots and he showed some images from side on, you know, in a ski cross race, often they'll start out the gate and they'll be kind of like a little hump where they have to let.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Suck up, suck up and compress to get some speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really deep where they're all looking for extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like a straight leg right to push down and his image had him still squatted a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he was pushing and he's got huge legs and glutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like the top guy, he's got a picture of him straight leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: another like third in the world, straight a leg, and he's got gigantic calf muscles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's the same that Canada that you're talking about, he's got too much forward lean probably because he's choking his legs and his legs kind of moving like the space is in the front where you open up the buckles right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's only going to move forward when to fit that calf in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, hopefully he's going to try some expansion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're listening, if you're big calves,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well as the negative delta, you can also look at flaring out with some boot fitter will heat it up, they'll cut it down perhaps, but if you've got a big leg, you probably only want to flare out so you keep the strength right in the boot, so then if you're the skinny legs like feels mentioning, that's where do you often put a spoiler in your boot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put the biggest spoiler in, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And almost every boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I like atomic, for example, has the ability of going 13, 15, 17 degrees in their boots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just put it right to 17.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 17, because I'm a spoiler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times I'm going to spoil it, but yeah, I mean, I've got no, I've got no cafeteria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, ladies, I'm taking, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So listeners, if you are that the slow slender calf, the thing you're going to be feeling, what would you say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when do you just feel your eyes on the tail, the ski feel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like there's nothing helping you forward?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your sense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's for it is getting that weight and pressuring the tip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really have to work hard and I feel like I'm forward, uh, uh, uh, leaning forward to pressure that tip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, again, it starts, it's swinging your arms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If on the other way here, it's difficult to turn now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get everything back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's same thing with coming forward and you talk about,
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[SPEAKER_01]: feeling that balance over the ski, when you're neutral on it, that you've got the ability of going forward and backwards a little bit and still be neutral, you can get that to neutral right away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From me to get neutral from one turn to the next, I always feel like I'm a little bit behind on the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you know, I just have this memory, I remember being at Dea Valley and it was early seas, my first seas in there and I was out with one of the trainers and we stopped
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone was to stand with their ski on the ski pole like it was a pivot point of full crumb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you said stand on it and where is the point on your boot where you can go tip down tail down because either the tip is in the air or the tail was down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So can you do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is it under that boot that you can go back forward back forward the same?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I could be an interesting month of people to try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, and I play with that here, even in my shop, but to see where I am on and try some different skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get back into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that that's leverage at play right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you if you got the right spot, you'd be able to access the the the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where where are we up to now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've kind of covered from bindings up to the calf area, the calf area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I think we've made more questions and answers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just taking advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and people experiment, I know Brantz and Advocate of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hey, if you've never tried a spoiler, take some spoilers out, put them in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've never taken them out, take them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can put things in to play with, like, inside the boot, a heel lift and whatever, to experiment and see what it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you'll never know unless you try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's move on and finish up this combo because you wanted to also mention some some changes in bindings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then again, what we started with this, um, me quickly, we could talk about Solomon and look really not many changes moving forward for this year with those two brands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stripe pretty much carries over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look pretty much carries over with with pivots and SPXs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one the news from look is going to be coming still a couple of years down the road with the new race binding pictures have been showing up about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a few little thing about it not much more than whatever anybody else knows out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's really nothing for me to share as far as inside the information there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tour and and the team is pretty keeping things pretty close to the best on that and there's in talking to them it is maybe a dozen and a half two dozen pairs out there on the world cup right now that a racer might have one pair that they're moving from ski to ski to ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so that's the only thing going on really with those two brands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The new, the big news action is coming from Marker and Tyre Rollier for this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Starting off with Marker and that is the new, I would say it's not completely new because we had last year the Griffin X M works and also the gesture and works bindings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what the goal is with these bindings is
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, this body here in the toe is only nine millimeters high, which is extremely low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But most of the bindies are anywhere from 17 up to 30 some millimeters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are people going to like why are they going lower?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a better connection to the ski, and this goes back a way back, and you see pictures of Stenmark and Mayor when they were racing, and if you look at some of their skis, they didn't even have AFDs on their skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were flat on the deck of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we can't do that now racing because of the booty out, we're skiing a lot more laterally, but those guys weren't skiing as lighter, but they were getting better feel for the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the goal of these new bonnings is to get a better feel of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna see this on skis that are in that 80, low 80s up to 100 plus millimeters wide is getting that lower feel on the ski,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really doesn't mean, I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do, and this is something I've been advocate for a while on it, specifically when it came to testing skis and demo bindings is most of the demo bindings were up around 35 millimeters on the foot because they had this track system and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that just dramatically changed the way that that ski ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would rather be, and one of the things we did also, and when we get to Tyronea talk about this more,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But with this new binding really gives a better feel for the skin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, and so we're going to see this next year coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably going to see a squire version of it because we seem to be going in this direction of this binding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know you've got a lot of technical skiers that watch you show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Marker also came out with a comp-16 RD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is their race binding in the 20 and the 30 with the 16 spring in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have to be a guerrilla to ski that binding and still be able to release it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a new bond that's going to be active for somebody who's looking for that true race binding with a lighter spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for those guys that are on the they might want that ski they want that flat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll consider that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what was that you asked me, what would I do to change this binding?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was going to say, I'm just, I remembered the, when I was skiing on vocal, I had a pair of the candles that had, it was just one after the, no, they had the dragon on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that silver with the dragon kind of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's someone, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: About 2010 or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's about right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had, I could only access,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a comp race binding to put on it and that definitely felt would have been a bit, it had no plate was blow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember skiing that in Revelstoke and having like the best time through the trees and I'm thinking back now going, oh, part of that was probably this lower to the deck sensation on that ski that I liked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I found the new two-fowler specs that find it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the one away for a while, Marker brought it back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But take a look at old pictures of McConkey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on that finding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blake is on that finding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most leads on that finding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those guys all ski that finding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for those reasons is to feel that it gave the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, but what about to roll you if we got any.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one again, and I kind of pass myself a softball things that I would change on this binding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that I've been trying to get market to do because we see this as a slight problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People look at the have had gestures and griffins and squires over the years say, boy, this binding is tough to get into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, part of it is because of the single axis of the heel part of it is this is one of the tightest coupleings of bindings out there as far as the amount of forward pressure that's required in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in design, if you look at this heel treadle, see how this is angled upwards?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: especially for women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now that we've got group walk souls and the first word in group walk is grip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that heel catches on that makes it a little more difficult to get into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're a lot of the brands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's straight there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I see what you mean, leverage again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Solomon here is actually pointed downwards in that hill in that and that treadle there There's no reason that that can't be pointed downward to make a little bit easier to get into
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's the one thing I would change the changes and fill yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're I'm working on that It's gonna be tough because this is brand new so I don't think it's happening soon and the other thing is There's been a question a little bit question on a durability of this heel track that I think it working on that When the one of the first X games they have it by the Bonnie and X games and I just blew the heels off But I think they're working on that so I think we're gonna see a little bit better there, but that lower stack height
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Tyrol, you last, that two years ago came out with the protector binding, which is the only bilateral release heal body that releases, laterally, I have to heal it in either directions, which will help mitigate not eliminate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: ACL and MCL injuries because the majority of them are that backwards phantom phantom footfall and this heel can release loudly both ways out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so and it's been really really good for this year they came out to protect your ex in a couple of different versions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the attack version here
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the, the, the, the, I'm sorry, protect the plus, not x and the heel is a little more compact and heel, but it's also a lot easier to get into than the first heel less effort, which actually puts less strain on the heel, it kept the bilateral release, but the big difference is they drop the stand height of the binding from 34 millimeters down to 21 millimeters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, working on on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you, I'm amazed that they're able to do that with the amount of hardware that's in this heel as far as height wise and what's required in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they did a super job with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that again, I talk a lot about stack height.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we demo skis, I want to demo with a retail body as much as I can already demo Bonnie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One because there can be a little disconnect, but two is that stack height.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I go with a retail version of a binding,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to $2.95 millimeter show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most violins have $25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a little bit of range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I would rather be a centimeter lower on the ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: High-wise, then a centimeter for an F. Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to be, that gives me a much better feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can adjust for a centimeter for an F. And for those people that say they can feel a half centimeter, no, you can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're feeling, you're feeling a thousand things before you, you're feeling a half centimeter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that, you've weighed up those, those two things, what you'd take over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd rather be lower on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they're able to do with this new protections, making lower and to the point where I got away from using demo bindies and using retail versions of bindies for my test skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I can get a much better connection and a feel for the skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not testing bindies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm testing the skis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to take that variable out of a binding feeling different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was key and this new attack is really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're also doing it in a race and a technical version with the free flex on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I say that's that's good because last time you could only get it quite a wide protectors that ride yes if you're a 69 67 under foot ski it's hanging like you couldn't really put it on
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or it'd just be hanging over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it really, well, they protect the free flex makes the difference in that all sort of that race ski and that connection of the tone and heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 85 million meter break, quite frankly, was up high enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You would hit the boot before you hit the break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were on a plate, but this one here is an hour,
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[SPEAKER_01]: break design on it and that the race version is available and I said technical versions in a 14 and a 16 which has a full race toe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it does for those masters racers that that are concerned about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your world cup, you know, we're not going to see that's on a world cup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are rather too off the lake than have to ski come off in a world
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the mortal scared that that is dealing actually with insurance deductibles, it is a consideration to take a look out of a binding, it adds a level of safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hopefully you'll never need it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, in this process, and again, if anybody's read my conversations on this from the start when this protected came out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: mean, there's seven millimeters of lateral elasticity in the direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first generation, I was able to see that body at a four or five and not pure release.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This new one here would have been making this in the sides a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to ski it closer to my regular setting, which I knew on this kid bonding about the eight or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I skit that the lateral setting now, where this new version here, I was coming out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It came out two or three times
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't technically a pre-release, it was more an active release that it wasn't designed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I was asking to do something it wasn't designed to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good improvement then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's just, just, because what just to help clarify there, when you do the, the den on the front toe piece up, it eight, then you do the heel up and eight on this protector binding, you have a third place, which is the lateral heel release.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll put a link because I think this other podcast we did last year is really worth while reviewing or watching if you've not seen it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you were mentioning that you played around with having that a little lower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but now it's it's it's close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty much you're just going a day eight eight eight Oh, yeah, which is what they'd really and there's new one here actually is also nice that if this is also coming in the 16 So if it was bigger skiers that might have had the injury in the past that they don't want it again It is definitely consideration Uh, consider that Bonnie at at the higher performance level as the 14 into 16 Yeah, I'm looking forward to putting that that race one on a pair of carving skis of got coming for the
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[SPEAKER_00]: for this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, um, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The issues in the gate get your feedback on it because obviously safety wise is what this was in her design, but that's seven millimedes of elasticity as you will give you a little bit of absorption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it could help keep that ski a little bit quieter on the snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd be interested in, you get your feeling if you're putting it on maybe
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[SPEAKER_00]: Experienced for your over and similar conditions and see in how that feels yeah that's a it that was my favorite learning point last time from you was understanding float elasticity elastic elasticity what what that was there because I was asking about this binding that I have the terolia that has a diagonal you said that's not a safety thing Tom like not
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[SPEAKER_00]: almost mountain bike sort of suspension or a little bit softer suspension.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that really doesn't come into play until the body is about to release anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it comes out in a V position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in a Ford, that's really more for a tool forward twisting fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is more for a rearward twisting fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So would you say this new protector has more elasticity than that diagonal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that has no elasticity, but it has the same amount of elasticity as the previous previous, uh, the first generation of protected, which is still on the market also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now another clarification and I'm running into this now is if people are familiar with terrible bodies and their breaks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they got 85 millimeter 95 millimeter 105 115 and those have always been good for plus or five five millimeters for a ski size so that 95 millimeter worth well on a 100 millimeter wide ski I thought the same thing with this new R break which is designed specifically for the protector 95 now is the max size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to the point where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just keep that in mind if if you're using how roll your brace got it go down five millimeters and really this fine the brace should be a 90 millimeter bridge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 7.95 to go from 85 to 95 because the max is out at 95.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just keep that in the back of your mind when you're shopping for the binds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got a 98 millimeter wide ski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 95 millimeter wide break will be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you need the next size up
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bill, tons of great information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, and at a good time of the year, people have started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Set up their boots, maybe look at purchasing some new skis, new bindings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as a summary, we discussed some pointers to help with understanding your four arft angles in a boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even discuss the lateral side of things, which is another area we could come back to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, hopefully that helps some people out there, which I'd call out your leg shape, maybe your flexibility type, some feelings, which I think is really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like having the numbers there are all well and good, but we feel things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for sharing your insights there, what you'd like to aim for, feel wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people are going to need to go back and check this one out again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you're sexable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm accessible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody has questions?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're easily reachable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'd love to talk about this stuff to your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lays over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can be here to three comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're in an inspires, you know, what we missed out on that can be discussed for the next time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the meantime, they can always go to skitalk.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good reviews on skis, equipment, boots, discussions without the ski nerds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and look forward to seeing more of your reviews and content coming out at this in the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're starting already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're getting schedules to go to veil in December to look at 20, 7, 28 gear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So already, I mean, it's just looking so far forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been on some already for some brands just because they were in development stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's within a fun time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you're, I'm not sure how you're went to was in North America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a tough winter
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty, yeah, we had a good, like they just only finished up skiing now, there's still tons of snow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a really tough one, we finished early in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a bit of a shame, but yeah, bring on now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, the industry relies on skiers having an easier from a bad year and optimism for a good year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's happened again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already kind of excited about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a good problem to have this amnesia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're excited about getting back on snow this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trisha had her back surgery last year, so she's got a full year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lost one of my testers to a shoulder injury injury last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He missed the whole year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's excited to get back on snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I were looking forward to a great great year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: traffic's been up you're you you guys have been doing a great job so it's been a lot of fun excellent fill until next time thanks very much yep yeah anytime available and i want that gate say nine fifty are the sounds good