The Hunt for Legends - Modern and Historical Monster Hunting

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and terrors.
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Let it happen, you know, that's that's what we're instructed
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to see.
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You're here.
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For a reason.
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You're listening to trumble Minds Radio, broadcasting live from a
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slicker bunker just off the Extraterrestrial Highway somewhere in the
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desert sands outside of Las Vegas, from somewhere in space
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time loosely labeled Generation X on planet Earth and asking
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questions of you in earnest.
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Into the digital darkness.
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Good evening, Welcome to Troubled Minds Radio. I'm your host,
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Why not, right? Why not? Well, you know me and
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I hope everybody's had a great weekend. It is a
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holiday weekend here in the United States, and to the
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friends out there that don't have a three day weekend,
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I'm really sorry about that. But most of us get
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Tomorrow off, including myself, so I can stay up late
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and drink beer tonight. Ah. But basically the deal is this, Okay,
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you know me and my weird ideas and how I
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try and find angles upon angles of things to consider
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and talk about. Right, Well, tonight is a weird one
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because we are finding ourselves. September first is the date today,
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and these articles are now starting to come out where
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it's already like I was making the joke last week
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when James released his book shout out Selsea to the
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paranormal experiences. Go check out that book. If you have not,
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leave him a review. Please. If you have not many
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of us have, I see you and thank you for that.
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But please go leave James or review on Amazon. If
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you purchase his book, either the digital copy or the
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physical copy, thank you for that. But we were joking
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last week when we were doing this about how this
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looks in terms of Halloween getting earlier and earlier, right
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that the joke is that what was the joke that
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Matt's will put in the discord a couple of days ago,
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something to the effect of, you know, it's a Halloween
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season when they're putting the Thanksgiving decorations out or something.
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I don't know. But here's the thing, right, Yeah, recognize
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when suddenly the weather turns, at least in our minds
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at least, you know, because here in Las Vegas it's
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still one hundred degrees or whatever. But there's some places
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that might be cooling down already. God forbid you poor
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punks that live out there, and these places they are
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already getting cold. I mean maybe not but very soon anyway.
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But it is September first, and I recognize something in
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the news cycle, and it is, of course, well, it's
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already in Halloween mode. There's already the Halloween memes are
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going around, not just on Twitter, x spaces, not just spaces,
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but everywhere else. But you know, people already, it's already
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in the zeit guys. People are talking about this. And
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so this is a piece from the Guardian that we'll
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start with tonight. What we know would freak everyone out.
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Meet the detectives hunting down the paranormal. Ah, what's up?
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Matt's all corrects me? You can you know Halloween is
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coming because Walmart is putting out there, miss stuff. That's it.
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Thank you for correcting me. Yeah, great stuff. And those
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memes and whatnot are going to be on the discord.
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Troubleminds dot org. Click the discord link on top. But
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I was reading through this and not only does it
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start with the paranormal right ghost hunters, but it also
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has bigfoot trackers, alien investigators, you know, for the spooky slews.
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They say, it's not a matter of believing or not believing,
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it's just a case of finding the evidence. Well, and
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this is where the skeptics would say, yeah, well, great,
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show us the evidence, right, show us the damn evidence,
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because there's nothing to talk about. There's nothing to consider
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here until we find something concrete that science can parse
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and delve and do the things that science does about it, right,
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And that's and that's kind of true, except well, then
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there's all the experiencers. There's all the people who have
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seen a sasquatch or a bigfoot, or people who have
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seen a ghost or a shadow person, or people who
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have even had, you know, an abduction style experience regarding
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you know, aliens or some kind of contact in that regard.
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So you know, we sort of have this juxtaposition, as always,
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of two things happening at the same time. One is, well,
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give me the evidence, right, give me the evidence, dammit.
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But the other is many many people have reported citing
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all manner of monsters the world over for centuries at
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least and probably millennia because it goes back to the
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legends of your the days of your as we always
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talk about not just mythology but folklore in terms of
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what these things may or may not be or mean,
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and the weird part is, well, what is the weird part.
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The weird part is it seems like it doesn't go away.
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And in this piece, again links are going to be
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in the description down below. I always try and cite
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where the inspiration for these shows come from, because it's
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important to share the inspiration and point out people doing
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good work, and in this case, unfortunate Lea's the Guardian,
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because you know, The Guardian typically is a political rag
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that does hit pieces. But anyway, so just a little
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bit of this from here. So an iridescent blob appeared
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in the sky. This is from Natalie Pierce, an alien investigator.
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So this is pretty cool because it goes through sort
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of an alien hunter. It goes through the Lockness Hunter
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talking about how Lockness itself is really a spooky place
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because he spends a lot of time on the water.
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This other one goes into a demonic doll called Esther
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and sort of a ghost hunting and hunting demons and whatnot.
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And the final part of this four piece thing here
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on The Guardian, it goes into Yeah, people want reassurance
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that they're not mad or crazy, says Deborah Hatswell, a
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bigfoot tracker. Yeah, well, lots of things here and let's see.
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There you go, there's more you can feelize watching you.
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Gary Ridley a panther pursuer, and this is a tracing
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and tracking panthers in the United Kingdom, which supposedly don't exist. Supposedly,
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you know, there are sort of things of legend of
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the old Way in the old day, but they seem
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to be extinct at this point. But there are still sightings.
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There's still sightings all the time. They say you can
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get them through Freedom of Information Act requests, which is
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not called that in the UK, I know, but something similar.
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You petition the government for transparency on these types of things,
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and you may get these types of things. You may
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get to actual sightings of these wildcats. But anyway, so
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the question tonight, as we get into this and look
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at all this wild stuff, of course, we're gonna talk
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about all of it tonight. We're gonna talk about aliens,
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we're gonna talk about the paranormal. We're gonna talk about
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Bigfoot and NeSSI, a chupacabra, you name it, even though well, Kebley,
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what is it. There's a supposedly in a place in
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the Congo where they've spotted a dinosaur and right recently
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in like the last you know, a few decades, and
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this is a story that goes back at least more
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decades than that, and even centuries. And I think they
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made a movie on it. You guys that are old
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like me will recognize Baby the Secret of the Lost
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Legend or something like that. You remember that where they
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made the movie about the little baby dinosaur or whatever.
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But anyway, so the questions for you guys tonight is
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number one, specifically this why does it seem like again
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we're locked in these cycles of the weather. We're locked in.
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You know, this starts to go down a little bit early,
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it gets a little bit chilly in some places, and
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then suddenly everything turns to monsters, and everybody wants to
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hunt monsters. Okay, so why, once again why? I always
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love the questions of why is this happening? And why
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are we sort of locked in these cycles that are
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seem to be perpetual and go back to the ancient ways,
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the ancient days. That's the first question. The second question is,
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and let's have a little fund tonight, why not if
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you were hunting monsters and let's say you were given
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and I'm not funding anything, so don't get me wrong here,
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But if you were hunting monsters in any capacity. Number one,
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let's say you're the monster hunter, you get a full
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funded expedition. Theoretically, I'm not funding anything. I don't have
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the money to do any of that, or I'd be
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doing it myself. But theoretically you get funded to go
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hunt a monster that you think is the most plausible
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to exist in the world today. Which would you choose,
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Where would you go and why exactly would you specifically
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go after that particular monster and why are they they
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the most likely to exist in the modern world with us,
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lots of ways to look at this, and of course
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we can take it anywhere we like, because of course
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it's aliens, it's chopacaw bra, it's a bigfoot, it's and
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why not, right, what a way to kick off the
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Halloween season. Let's hunt some monsters together and consider what
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this looks like, not just in the past, but of
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course what this looks like in the present and of
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course coming up into the future. If you want to
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We are on Twitter x spasis. What's up, Chris? Shout
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and work you in. It's a beta test because I'm
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not sure this will work tonight, but we'll we'll get
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it fixed if it doesn't, and we'll uh yeah, we'll
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handle this out. But that's what's up. So basically, we're
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hunting monsters tonight theoretically, And if you had a budget
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to go do this, where would you go? Why would
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you go there? And what which monster would you hunt?
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Because of course you're gonna go after the one most
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likely you're gonna find, right, so what would that look like?
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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Let us continue, shall we? We're so, I'm calling this
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tonight the Hunt for Legends, modern and historical monster hunting. Now,
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if you go back all the way to the days
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of yours, I like to say, to mythology, to folklore,
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to these stories that we've been telling each other for
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thousands of years, there's a great many stories where you
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have people going after these these monsters, these actual critters
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that supposedly have existed in some capacity in the past.
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Look at the you know, the labors of Hercules. He
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had to kill the big the big old bull, and
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the I don't know, the hydra, and there's there's a
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bunch of stuff in there that he actually go had
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to go do as part of it. I didn't pull
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that up as part of the discussion tonight, but it's
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just a kind of a hip shot example of that.
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the world over looking at their mythology and their folklore
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and see that a lot of these stories really began
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with the idea of humans hunting down monsters or fantastic
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paranormal creatures or demons or anything to that effect, right,
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easiest thing, of course, is that we're hunting monsters and
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the monsters are ourselves, okay, And that's probably the best,
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the easiest way to look at this. But of course
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the story ends and case closed. I think it's quite
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a bit more complicated. But I think it's humans trying
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to deal with the natural world in a great many ways,
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and specifically, it's it's a scary place once it starts
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to get dark outside, it's a scary place once the
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elements start to creep in. You know, we've talked about
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the dark months of the year, the rest of that stuff.
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but I think in modern terms, it hasn't left us
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whatever they are, they're you know, sort of fashioned after
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the Ghostbusters a little bit in that old movie, which
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is a fantastic movie. And I'm not sure I'm a
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fan of all these new ghost shows or whatever. But
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there are still people out there doing this. So not
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to glorify it and say the television gives us the truth,
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because of course there are going to be paranormal societies
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out there doing this in the current day, which is wild.
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And so by the way, actually, let's add to the
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rinkle of questions tonight, has anybody ever done this? You
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ever gone on a ghost hunt or a like like
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a demon hunt or to a haunted house or anybody
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part of a Sasquatch society where you go and search
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for Bigfoot out there, or does anybody live near Lake
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loch Ness or up in the Pacific northwest into Canada
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where you have a maybe at Ogo Poe Go Siding.
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Have you ever gone and looked at some of these
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places and actually tried to find the monsters? As we're
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discussing tonight, because I add that to a wrinkle, that's
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something I'd like to do at some point, to be
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perfectly honest, run around the forest like a crazy person
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looking for big Foot with flashlights and cameras and you know,
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just be, just be. I don't know, I don't know.
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to find a big Foot? Yeah, I'm not sure what
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I would do. If I did, I'd probably crab my
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pants and run the other way. But as they say,
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right when you find what you're looking for the most,
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it probably will unsettle you to your core and change
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you forever, which is part of this. I think that's
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part of the entire ghost hunt or monster hunt aspect
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of all of this stuff. And like I said, if
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you go back to mythology and folklore. There's a ton
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of examples, not just in ancient times, but then in
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modern times too. Look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Look
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at what blade the hunting vampires? What is the other one?
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The Lichens and the I don't know, I don't know.
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I was. I don't spend enough time watching movies these days.
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similar tales, similar instances, similar amazing things that people are
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always chasing. And so to me, like I said, the
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most is that we're chasing basically ourselves. We are chasing
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that internal monster of the Carl jung archetype of us,
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our shadow selves, and sort of manifesting that into the
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world through maybe a tulpa aspect or even with our
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imagination in some cases that we find that we maybe
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we could exercise our own demons by finding the real
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demons out in the world. And to me, that's the
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most obvious example. But like I said, it is not
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case closed, because there are siding after siding after siding
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after siding, not just aliens, not just bigfoots, not just
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a nessies, not just it's everything, it's everywhere, And you
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know me, I don't mind mixing my p's and carrots
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and kind of considering all these things together as maybe
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a big P phenomena, as they say, big P phenomenon together,
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or of course, are these separate entities? And I don't know.
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I figured we'll probably get some engagement tonight, so let's
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just take calls early. James popped in here. If you
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want to be part of the show tonight seven two
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nine one zero three seven click the discordant a troubleminds
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dot org. The question for the evening is if you
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were given a which monster would you go hunt? Because
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of course that would be the most likely for you
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to find. What meaning, which exact monster do you think
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is likely to be here on this earth or world
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with us? Let's go to James and Michigan if you're
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ready to go, my man, let's just go straight too,
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because I think we're gonna have a little bit of
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fun tonight. I have some calls, how are you? And
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go right hit sir. I'm okay.
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Hopefully my sound isn't terrible. As you know, I have
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a carnival going on behind me. So please let me know,
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and if it's too bad, I can I can buy out.
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Now.
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You sound good, you sound good enough, Go ahead. It's
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actually it sounds like you got like the ocean in
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the background. You're totally good. But yeah, go right ahead.
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I actually have a fanom right now to help with
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the sound from the carnival.
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So yeah, you're good.
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Okay, Yeah, So this.
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Is a great topic.
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I mean, I just put in the chat there that
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if I had the money and resources and enough people
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to go with me, I would be paranormal investigating all
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the time, everywhere. And I mean to me when I
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say that, I mean not just go necessarily as the
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word is used. I mean just any kind of anomalous
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areas or events or beings or whatever. I'd just be
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I would do that. That'd be I would, I could.
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I could definitely, uh I go the rest of my
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life doing that if I had the ability to do so.
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So all of the above, really you would. You would
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start the modern Tallamasca to go hunt all the monsters
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and then set up the generational money pool to continue
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on the endeavor forever. I kind of agree. I kind
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of agree that there's so many fascinating things to go
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kind of go after. And it's considering, of course, a
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lot of the religious stuff, you know, the demons and
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the angels, and you know a lot of the weeping
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statues and lights in the sky and a lot of that.
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How it kind of comes back to that sometimes as well.
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That's fascinating as hell to me. And I'd love to
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go see some of those ancient cathedrals that are maybe
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the basis of some of these places or sightings or whatnot.
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lot of that. But regarding the most let's say, if
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you if you only had to pick one, if you
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only had to pick one, what would it be? And
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that's why we're what we're talking about tonight. As you know,
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you're welcome to hang around, and uh I got went
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to you early because I figured we keep you a
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little bit. I knew you were going to be home tonight.
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But if you had to pick one, what do you
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think is most likely that exists in the world today?
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And where where would you go to find it? If
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you were going to be budgeted to go look for this.
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Thing, I guess it would probably be Sasquatch. It would
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probably be some some forested area, and you know, in
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different parts of the US. I know that that's it's
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seen in different parts of the US. I guess I
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would go with that route. Yeah, I mean, there's so
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many others. I've heard so much back and forth about
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Lockest Locknest monster and all that, and so many of
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the cryptids. I mean, and I say sasquatch because I
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know that in Michigan there have been a lot of
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reports of dog man kind of citing, and but I
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heard those are a lot more terrifying. Usually where has
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you know a lot of reports with sasquatch, They're they're
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not always that way. So if I had to make
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my choice, I'd rather go with the one that has
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a greater chance of being less frightening or less dangerous.
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The one that wasn't going to eat you. I got
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I got it, I got it, James, Well, don't forget
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you get your funded so you could bring protection and
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have like a crew with uh, you know, all the
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most modern arms that's included in the budget. So just
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or or if you're going to hunt ghosts, you can
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bring like a couple of priests or whatever of your choice.
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A bucket of holy water if you need it. But
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I mean, yeah, okay, so I'm with you too. A
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lot of the sasquatch sightings are more seemed to be
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benevolent in a lot of ways, not so so threatening,
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more sort of like scary off out of my territory
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type thing. And then and I know there are exceptions
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to that we had. I can't remember the guy's name,
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but he was on the on the show a a
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few years back when we were on the Fringe FM,
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and he was talking about the different bigfoot sightings that
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some of them are a little bit and that's the
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ones that people really a lot of the stories that
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people don't talk about. But he was a good, a
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great guest to be on the show. I can't remember
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his name. I'll remember it shortly. It's been literally years.
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But yeah, I think that's probably the safest bet in
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my opinion as well, if you're talking about this stuff.
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But I'm a little surprised by the way, because you
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are the paranormal expert of Troubled Minds, and I thought
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you'd be like, I'm going for ghosts, Mike, and I'm
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going to go here because this is probably where they're
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at Yeah, all right, but I guess you don't want
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to have the hitchhiker effect and take any home with you.
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Is that maybe the the the the emphasis behind that.
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again going back to you know, what are ghosts? You know,
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there's a lot of the I've heard how do I
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say this? There are some people that have their minds
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already made up as to what ghosts are than their
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spirit so decease people. And that's usually you know that
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in some people's minds. And again this is not attacking anyone.
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I'm just saying the thought is that they're just spirits
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or they're just residual energy. But again, with all the
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possibilities of everything else that we have talked to ever
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talked about near show or you know, anywhere else my
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show Saciato Paranormal, of course, there's just so many things
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that could be So I think it's it's harder to
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pin down with that, at least with sort of a sasquatch.
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looked like this, and you know that seems like that's
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what we're looking for here. Even though again, if we
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want to go all the routes you know, there are.
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There's a whole debate on whether or not they are
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just biological living creatures, or if they have other abilities
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and they're they're still those creatures, or if they are
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not even necessarily from this world they are, or they
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at least have the power to go between different dimensions.
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Sasquatch and the Bigfoot legends fits into that skin walker
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sort of shape shifter bit as well. It's you know,
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in some some of the not exact same places, but
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similar spaces here in North America. So it doesn't make
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me curious if there's something a little more to the
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Sasquatch bit than just you know, the what a gigantopithecus
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running around the forest or whatever. But yeah, amazing stuff.
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We're here with James Salcido tonight, and of course taking
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your calls as well. We got Jeff and Whisko coming up,
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and it is open lines and we're just talking monster hunting.
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Why is it that it seems to be a theme,
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a recurring theme throughout history where we end up chasing
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monsters and as it has been famously said. I can't
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remember exactly who said it, but you know, be careful
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when chasing monsters or what you're staring at the abyss
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for too long because of the ubyss stares back. And I
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know I butchered that, but I think this is part
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of the problem is we're chasing monsters because we're chasing
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a void within us. We're chasing something that is not
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specifically and directly easily quantifiable, and even trying to challenge
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nature itself as part of it. So I'd love to
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hear thoughts again. So the question tonight is which monster
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do you think is most likely? Anything? Monster, alien, whatever
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it is? And you had a budget, let's not say unlimited,
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a reasonably ample budget, and I'm not funding anything. I'm
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just a thought experiment here. Where would you go? Why
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do you think it is the most likely for it
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to exist? And let's get started, shall we again? Seven
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two nine, one zero three seven click the discordingk at
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Trouble Minds dot Org will put you on the show.
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It's as easy as that, and we'll be right back
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more on the way. We're here with James Salcedo of
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Schalcito paranormal Jeff and Wisk's coming up. We got Derek
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the Knight's talker with the hand up. What's up, guys,
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I see you over on in all the places. I'll
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keep slay hid in just a moment, be right back.
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This is troubled minds on Michael Strange, don't go anywhere
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more on the way.
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Shadows well, chre.
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The moms.
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Just hide in place is dark, and take it's courage.
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That feels soup.
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Close to dress.
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We can forego and off we go to face the
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visions of our midnight fears and goes aunt our every step, butties.
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Hunting down.
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We are bow which is facing now.
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We will never back down.
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I'm silence, sweet, prepare.
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The night consumes us with its knowing hows the bravery
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that's rid, the jery.
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We endure, the dark obscure to chase.
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The secrets of the unseen wolves battles far behind the globe.
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Those doors haunt him down.
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She shouts, We are about which is fac now, so
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we will never back down.
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Through the fair of night.
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Our first begins with I hands.
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Strength within long turning back. The fires happened, We car
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hot sackings haunt him down. Shadows see are bout facing now.
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We will never back The storm breaks. Swiss Stanmon Trial,
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A hot.
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Slive with Victory Pride, The Shallow Spake, the Nights Alive,
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Sweet Badge from dark.
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The side by side.
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Bing Down, Sweet of Mo to Small Face sing Not,
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we will never back down.
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The Storm Breaks. Swiss Stemmon Trial, a hot slive with
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Victory Pride, The Shadows.
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Fade, the Nights Alive, we Avite from Darkness, Side.
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By Side, Hunting Down Show Sleeper.
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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We're streaming on YouTube, Rock Finn, Rumble, Twitter and Twitch.
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We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network.
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That's KAP Digital Broadcasting. We might be on in Auckland,
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New Zealand. That's eighty eight point four FM. And of
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course we are on a Twitter x spaces as well
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as sort of a beta test. I think this should work.
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I did some testing over the weekend. It seems fine.
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We're talking the Hunt for Legends tonight, modern and historical
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monster hunting, and so of course the question is if
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you had a budget and a team and you were
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going to go hunt a particular monster, which one would
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it be and where would you go? And of course
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the implication there is that you think that that particular
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critter or whatever it would be. And of course this
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is all in comp saying it could be ghosts, it
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could be aliens, this could be a sasquat or cheopacabra
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or whatever it is. The implication is that you think
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this is the most likely thing to be part of
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our world today, and this is why you would go
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look for it, and this is where you would go
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look for it. What's up? I didn't hear the order
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top of you. Okay, so order one more time? So
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a little more from James. We got Jeff and Whisko,
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we got the night Stalker, and then we got Matthew
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in Colorado. If you want to defer, Derek, I know
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you're working, so you tell me. Okay, So let's go
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back to James. What's up? Anything to add to that?
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And so Bigfoot is your jam for now and maybe
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bigfoots of paranormal last back day. Go ahead, sir, Yeah, I.
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Think it's possible. And I only say Bigfoot just because
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I'm not as up on all the cryptid kind of
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all the creatures of the world. As I am on
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more of the again, I keep on saying this, but
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the ghost kind of stuff, and I emphasized the kind
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of stuff, So that's only what I'm I'm probably most
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familiar with out of everything I've I've ever heard and
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read about. So yeah, I picked that one, But I
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mean it is also it's not a guarantee either because
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of the way there are so many reports of them
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just vanishing or fading into shadows or just walking appearing
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to walk into objects like trees and then just be gone.
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So there's no guarantee either way. But yeah, I guess
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that if I had to pick pick one, that's that's
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where I would go with, at least in this kind
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of a scenario that you described there.
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Yeah, fair enough. I think it is probably the most likely.
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With you know, all that sort of unexplored forest and
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you know, all the sightings that go back for a
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long time, I mean, you know, including even into the
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native years before we were here. There's a lot of
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really really let's say, let's say, decently compelling tales of
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that type of stuff. And you know, if you call it,
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you know folklore and you know old wives tales, or whatever. Fine,
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but there's enough of them to make me at least
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consider that this stuff is possible. And to me, that
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seems like the best place to start would maybe be
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the Northwest. Kind of go to some of these Bigfoot
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conventions or maybe some of these people who have been
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tracking these sorts of things and get the best data
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points you could, and then you know, kind of carve
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out your own trail and see if you can go
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find some some something in some particular space or place.
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I don't know, that's that's where i'd start as well.
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But there's a lot of fascinating things to consider, and
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that's exactly why we're doing this tonight. I'd love to
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hear your thoughts on this. Anythink that James before we
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go to call, So we got Jeff and Wisko coming up,
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and then Matthew and yeah, go ahead if you got
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to James.
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Yeah, just real quick, I would say, also state, I
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would like to check out in general, is Ohio. I've
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heard so many reports of so much strange activity, not
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just counting the sasquatch, but just all kinds of paranormal UFO,
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just all kinds of high strangeness going on there, and
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and so if I had to go anywhere first, that
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I might be where I go first, just because it's
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closer to me than any of these other you know,
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Washington State or Oregon or California or you know, any
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of those are the places I could get to Ohio
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first before anywhere else is just about.
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Yeah, nobody goes to California anymore. Mostly people are fleeing
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from those states. So good joys. And I've of course
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I lived there, and so the joke, the jokes, the
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joke stands. But yeah, I love to hear your guys thoughts.
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Tonight we're here with James tonight, we're talking again the
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hunt for legends. I'm calling this modern and historical monster hunting.
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And if you were giving a budget and a team,
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which monster do you think is most likely to exist
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in the world with this today? And where would you
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go to find it? Seven two nine five seven one
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zero three seven click the discord link at Troubled Minds
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dot or will put you on the show just like this.
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Let's go to Jeff and Whisko. What's up, my man?
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You're on Troubled Minds. How are you ser and go
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right ahead?
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Hello, Hello, you got a copy.
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Oh, copy loud and clear. You sound great, go ahead
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to right all right?
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Yeah, oh great topic. I think this would be pretty fun.
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I mighta do my best. I kind of suffering from
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a little bit of COVID right now, so doing whatever but.
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Get better fast.
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Yeah, yeah, it.
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The heck of a topic is so fun. So I
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was thinking kind of like, actually, how James started was like,
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if you had enough money and this and that, why
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won't we just seart to everything, like all of this stuff, right,
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make a show out of it is whatever?
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You know?
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That would be ideal.
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But if we had to pick one, I think I
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feel like there's a lot of research being done currently
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on this stuff with people with maybe little budgets or
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astronomical budgets. It's already being done, like on Bigfoot and
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things like that. It's currently being done. I don't know
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if I would add anything to that, right, but I
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think if we had enough money and enough resources and
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whatever is, we could build technology or whatever.
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I think the thing.
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I would search would be life, and I mean like
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alien life, I guess extraterrestrial like UFO type stuff. But
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in the Dallas, the deepest steps of our ocean, right
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where no man has gone before.
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Nice, that's a good. Well, yeah, that's a good.
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I mean that's where we're gonna find the stuff, because
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that's if anybody's gonna hide anywhere, and it would be
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on land too, like the sad squatch stuff. If they're
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gonna be hiding anywhere, it's gonna be the spot where
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we can't get to. Basically, like you know, they're gonna
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be smart enough to hide or whatever and go places
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where we can't get to. That would be that were
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where I would start. But I think the depth of
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the ocean will be the first place because, first of all,
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if you ask me, the presence of aliens and this
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world is here, and I mean I've had experiences in
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if they're hiding here and there in our planet, and
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I obviously I've read a lot of things and seen
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a lot of things that would be in the depth
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of our oceans, because why not, we can't go there,
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we can't see them.
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Yeah, I think, yeah, I think there's probably even some
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some particular spaces other than like the Mariana Trench or whatever.
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There's you could go off the coast of California. There's
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supposedly that you know, Google Earth, you know, quote alien
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base or whatever that they say is right off the
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coast there in San Diego. Catalina Island is another hot
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spot that Lou Alizondo talked about in that Unidentified show
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on the History Channel. I mean, like I said, there's
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a lot of places here that maybe would play into that,
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and you could kind of even go find, you know,
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or you know, seek. I don't know about find, but
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seek these particular things because they've been hotspots, and of
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course that's where you would go, right. You would collect
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all the data, you would do all the things, you
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would get the team assembled, and you would find probably
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the best spot to kind of go check and you
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would spend some time there with all the you know,
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recording equipment and the infrared and all the stuff that
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you would expect to have the boats and even the
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drones or whatever. And I think, to be honest, I
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think I think we're gonna we're we're on the cusp
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of finding some of this really crazy stuff. I think
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it's here just because of the technology becoming so not
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cheap cheap. But let's say in reach for people have
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a little bit of scratch, you know, some of these
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drones are you know, coming down to fifty or one
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hundred bucks apiece for really good ones to do four
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K video, so you know, doing infrared on top of
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that shouldn't be too hard. And then I don't know,
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maybe maybe we're sort of on the actual cusp of
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all this stuff coming to fruition. So if you found,
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if you okay, So here's the next question as part
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of this, and this is discoes for everybody as well.
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If you did let's say you took an expedition out there,
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you were funded, and you went to find whatever you
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were looking for, would you disclose that or would you
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sort of put that in your back pocket, get funded
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and do more research before you kind of disclose that
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stuff to the world, Which again is sort of the
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big Oelod question of things, because he's a billionaire that's
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been doing all that stuff for all this time, and
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so the question is what does he know and why
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hasn't he disclosed it to the world? So what would
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you do?
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Well, first, I guess, I guess when in my mind,
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I guess if it came to that kind of entity
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or power or you know, being or whatever. I don't
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know if it's anything that you or I want to do,
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it's gonna be what they want, okay, Like that's kind
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of I believe what's going on, to be honest, Like,
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I mean, I've I've seen my my I've seen a
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couple of UFOs in my life. I've known a couple
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of people have there's a ton of people have whatever.
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00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.840
It's if you ask me, it's preliment. But then when
717
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.360
I seen my UFO, it was back in the late
718
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:49.239
you know, early nineties, you know, and like that was
719
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.559
a long time ago, and I seen that with my
720
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.480
own eyes, and in my mind, I'm thinking like, wow, this,
721
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.880
you know, the day I saw it, right that that day,
722
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.079
I woke up next morning thinking like it was I
723
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:03.679
was gonna see stuff on the news, you know, and
724
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.000
this and that you know, nothing here we are, you know,
725
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.599
decades later and what nothing's happening. There's a clear reason
726
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.239
they don't want they don't want us to know. I mean,
727
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.760
like it's it's so you know, because to me it's
728
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.920
so obvious that it's present.
729
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:21.679
But then.
730
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.480
Like it's just not out there, so it's you know
731
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.960
what I mean, And in my mind it's so completely weird.
732
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:33.079
So I think I would approach them and be like eh,
733
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.679
what really should I do? You know, and then maybe
734
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.119
go from there, because of course I would want to
735
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.119
disclose to it. Of course I've seen what I've seen.
736
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.119
I've already disclosed what I've seen. But at the same time,
737
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.400
it's like it's not ben right, so there's a clear
738
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.119
reason for it. And I wouldn't you know, I'm just
739
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.079
little old me, but hey, if we found found this,
740
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.960
we were there, we gotta we gotta be asking the questions.
741
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:08.000
And I guess in my mind, I would ask, what
742
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.239
do we do? I don't know, you know what I mean.
743
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:11.159
I think it's up to that.
744
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think. I think it's a
745
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.239
one of those things, right like if you if you
746
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.440
make some startling discovery that's not maybe not verified, but
747
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.480
you know, you're like, Okay, this is exactly what I
748
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.400
think it is, probably, but we need some more time
749
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.280
to verify it, you know, more time, more funding, whatever.
750
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.599
Then I think that's one thing. But spending you know,
751
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.000
decades and decades with this type of stuff and not
752
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.679
actually releasing anything, that's when that's when it starts to
753
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.400
get a little bit maddening. And some of these people
754
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.199
have done this and you know, it's it's sort of
755
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.119
like the eternal chase of the thing, you know, the
756
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.840
boogeyman that exists or whatever, and they're like, we're very close,
757
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.039
We're right there, We're about to turn the corner, right,
758
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.719
trust me, bro that'll trust me bro. Bit it gets,
759
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.920
it gets a little a little irritating, but yeah, amazing stuff.
760
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.480
What else you got for tonight? We got to a
761
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:56.639
couple of calls behind you, But what else you got ahead?
762
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.000
Yeah, No, that was pretty much it.
763
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.199
I was the thincond depths of the sea because that
764
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.440
would be where we can't go, and that's probably where
765
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.840
they're hiding. So mine would be I guess UFOs. But
766
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.039
it's weird for me to say that because it's like,
767
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.760
why would I discover something I've already discovered. But at
768
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.800
the same time, it does the whole disclosure part of
769
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.280
it thing, you know, that comes into place. So I
770
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:21.199
guess that's where my.
771
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:22.480
What would be right?
772
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:26.920
Appreciate it very much, fantastic, get better, best wishes, all
773
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.119
the positive energy prayers if you believe in that sort
774
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.159
of thing to Jeff here in Wisco, get better from
775
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.199
the COVID and uh, always a pleasure. But then we'll
776
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:35.119
talk to you soon. Have a great night.
777
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:36.840
Thank you, Thank you, have a good one.
778
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.880
Thank you too. That's a Jeff you know, and me
779
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love him, good friend for a long time. Check it out.
780
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.679
He's got a gaming channel called Smoke Dizzle. The link's
781
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:44.960
gonna be in the description down below Troubledminds dot org
782
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.159
Forde slash Friends. Please go give him a follow. Like
783
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:49.880
I always say, we're not collaborating here. We're sorry, we're
784
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.480
not competing here. We're collaborating and so that's why we
785
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.280
do that and try just try and point you out
786
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.000
to some of these great people, these great minds, so
787
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.440
you can go find them after they you find them
788
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.679
on the show here. So we're talking tonight basically the
789
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.679
monster hunters, right, it goes back to mythology and folklore.
790
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.880
But of course some modern times there are still not
791
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.079
just a ghost hunting shows or whatnot, and this type
792
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.320
of thing, the alien hunting shows, you know, seeing unidentified
793
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.159
on the History Channel or whatever, ancient aliens, ancient astrona theorists.
794
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So yes, there's all that, right, but it's still happening.
795
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:20.880
But of course there are you know, that's a little
796
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.159
bit dramatized because it has to be because it's television.
797
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.599
But then also what the hunt for Skinwalker Ranch all
798
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.079
that stuff. But then also I think there are you know,
799
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.280
more serious aspects of this, where there are you know,
800
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:34.119
groups or entities that have been doing this for some
801
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.360
time and maybe even growing in influence, growing and maybe
802
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:41.440
information they're collecting, and yeah, why not? So basically the
803
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:45.280
question is this, which monster, critter, alien, whatever it is
804
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.440
paranormal aspect of the flora and fauna of the weird
805
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.800
and wild would you expect to find most likely on Earth?
806
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.159
And where would you look for it given a budget
807
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.559
and the time necessary to go explore it. That's the question,
808
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and that's what's all my mind tonight. If you want
809
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to be part of show seven or two ninety five seven,
810
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one year, three seven, click the discordant of Trouble Minds
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dot org. Anything to add James before we go to
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Matthew and Colorado.
813
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You know, a great call from Jeff. I was thinking
814
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about when you asked Jeff about, you know, what would
815
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.440
you do once you had a discovery like that? And
816
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I was thinking how ironic it is to me in
817
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my mind, because I don't know if I want to
818
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share it not because it shouldn't be shared with anyone,
819
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but because I'd be worried about the wrong kind of people,
820
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the people that have just negative intent or just don't
821
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:38.639
care what they manipulate or destroy, you know, getting in
822
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.320
there and messing with with whatever I found. And if
823
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.559
it's especially if it's sentient, you know, any kind of
824
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sentient being, I'd be worried about that. So I really
825
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thought that was ironic when I came to that realization.
826
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When you ask that question, yeah, it is.
827
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It is sort of a double edged sword because let's say,
828
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.320
let's say it's a legitimate discovery and you do find
829
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.519
something that is going to change the paradigm of how
830
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.000
we understand life on Earth or whatever, you know, and
831
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it you are sort of bringing the larger the world
832
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.239
at large into an ecosystem that has been basically private forever.
833
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.119
And so it is a good philosophical question about how
834
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:17.840
to handle that sort of thing. Because let's say you
835
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.639
find like the last nest of the Sasquatch and the
836
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.320
Pacific North Northwest or whatever, and you find whether they've
837
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.280
been living underground, there's a little family or whatnot. Surely
838
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.559
everybody's gonna run there all the stupid reporters and all
839
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.480
the you know, all that stupid stuff, the environmentalists and
840
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.880
everybody's you know, everybody's gonna want to slice of the action,
841
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.960
and well what does that look like? And of course
842
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.719
that means that you might have to keep some of
843
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:40.800
that quiet. And I don't really know. I don't really
844
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:42.800
know that's it is one of those questions I think
845
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.360
you'd have to weigh personally based on the level of
846
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.199
discovery and of course the sentient entities that you discovered.
847
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:49.760
So I don't know if you want to be part
848
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.239
of show tonight, you have great stuff. James seven oh
849
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.880
two ninety five seven and one r ow three seven.
850
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.119
Shout out Chris over there on twitter X. Give me
851
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.599
your thumbs up or whatever. If you can hear us
852
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.000
loud and clear. I want to make sure we're coming
853
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.280
through properly, because this is the first time we're doing
854
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.559
Twitter X spaces as well. Let's go to Matthew in Colorado.
855
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.480
What's my man? You're on trouble minds? How are you, sir?
856
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.280
Go right ahead?
857
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.800
Well, not too much? Uh so, uh, I'm gonna go
858
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.400
with James. It's an easy road, but I've I've always
859
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.840
loved the Bigfoot stuff since I was younger. And uh
860
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.360
so I'm gonna go the answer to the questions Bigfoot
861
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.960
Pacific Northwest. I'll come back to that, but I just
862
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.960
want to say, it's like, where's your flying cars? Where's
863
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.840
the tube of cobras? Michael? Where'd the tube of cobos go?
864
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.360
They came from Puerto Rico and Costa Rica, they came
865
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.079
into Mexico. I thought they went into California. Where where
866
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.320
did all the tube of cobbos go?
867
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.639
They did? I don't know. If I knew, Bro, you
868
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.519
think i'd be here, I'd be. I'd be down in
869
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.360
the habitat doing some uh uh what is it? What's
870
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.280
the guy? He passed away now? So I won't make
871
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.039
the joke, But the Australian guy that was always like
872
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.239
out there with the wild animals, that's where I'd be.
873
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.280
I'd be there with cameras and and doing the rest
874
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.840
of that. So my answer is, I don't know, man,
875
00:44:58.880 --> 00:44:59.239
I don't know.
876
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.280
I thought we had to have two pet covers in
877
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.400
the Zuba now. But anyways, Uh, back to the Bigfoot.
878
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.920
You know, I'm on a like I said, I've been
879
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.800
interested since I was younger. And they had the old
880
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.360
uh in search of right with Leonard Nimoy. You're an
881
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.960
old part like me, you remember that show in Search
882
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:23.440
of That.
883
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.239
Was very good. Actually, Leonard Nimoy is the best, and
884
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.360
he did a fantastic hoasting job. I definitely remember him.
885
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.880
Okay, well, and you know, I did my psychometry stuff
886
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:37.119
where you can read objects and stuff. But even before
887
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.079
I was exposed to that and found out I was
888
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.800
good at it, that was my first exposure in search
889
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.159
of And they took a briefcase and they had a
890
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.960
a casting, a footprint casting of a bigfoot. They put
891
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.199
it in a briefcase and they took it to a
892
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:59.480
guy who did psychometry, and he held the briefcase on
893
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.599
his lap up and he did a reading from it,
894
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.480
and he got out in a pen and paper and
895
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.800
he drew a Harry a dude, and I was just
896
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.760
like whoa. And you know, they didn't tell him anything
897
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:18.239
about what was coming or anything, you know, so supposedly legit.
898
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:23.320
But I'm on this Facebook group about big Bigfoot and
899
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.360
it's called Bigfoot Believers. But somehow you get all these
900
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.920
skeptics on there or that just like to try stuff.
901
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.800
But I'd like to bring up interesting things about Bigfoot,
902
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.159
which is they're like pretty much in every continent in
903
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.440
the world, and like half the countries. I mean, they're
904
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.400
in Russia, you got the Yetti, They're in India, you know,
905
00:46:52.320 --> 00:47:00.400
they're down in Tibet. They're in South America, North of America,
906
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.159
they're in Florida. You've got swamp apes, you know, James
907
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:08.519
was mentioned in Ohio. They're they're all over the planet.
908
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.920
And then you know, the term sasquats coined by the
909
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.079
Native American Indians. That's a five hundred year old ward
910
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:23.800
and and apparently it translates to you know, like the
911
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:30.000
hairy forest people. And they still have like, you know whatever,
912
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.440
two hundred year old kind of like totem poles that
913
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:40.159
are carved into a resemblance of a sasquatch. So you've
914
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.679
got cultures going back hundreds of years that have their
915
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.440
likeness on them. And they talked about they used to
916
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.159
trade with them, you know, and and the Sasquatch would
917
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.599
bring them deer and they would give the sasquatch stuff,
918
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.840
and you know, then the white men came along with
919
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:03.320
their guns, and the Sasquatch are like you know, uh,
920
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:04.800
these guys.
921
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.159
Exactly like get me out of here, and they'll be
922
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.519
treated back into the forest, right into the far room
923
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:10.199
or whatever.
924
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.159
You're talking, into the forest. And then uh, there's these
925
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.119
other people's on there. They're like one guy posts a
926
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.960
great thing. He's like, look, I've been a hunter, and
927
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:20.840
these guys good.
928
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.239
They good.
929
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.559
They go out hunting on these TV shows, they go
930
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.599
bigfoot hunting, and they're were they're wearing regular clothes, so
931
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.079
they're not camouflage. They walk around with flashlights, right, they're
932
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.639
wearing colone. They don't know that an animal, even a deer,
933
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.639
can smell you a mile away. You're tramping around making noise.
934
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.960
You're not going to sneak up on an animal doing that.
935
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.280
You're stupid, and so you're not to catch them that way.
936
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:57.000
And and and some guy on there, and I'm not
937
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.360
just talking about the forum. I'm talking about the general topic.
938
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:06.159
Some person is like, well, if there was sasquatch, you know,
939
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:11.119
we have modern technology. We have drones, and everybody's got
940
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.599
a cell phone camera and we have satellites, we would
941
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.519
have found them by now. And I'm like, okay, let's
942
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.039
take these one time drones. You've been around drone, Michael,
943
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.559
they're loud. They're loud. You know, they hear those things
944
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.119
from half mile away. Okay, So the sascat's gonna run
945
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.159
away and hide. Okay. Cell phones, well, there's not a
946
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.760
lot of city folk going out in the deep woods
947
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:38.000
with cell phones, okay, and they don't turn them on.
948
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.039
And they're not gonna snap a picture on a ten
949
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:46.239
second siding. Okay. Drones they're gonna fly over what the
950
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:48.400
deep woods? Where are they gonna get a picture of
951
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:50.239
the tops of the tree.
952
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.000
Yes, I've tried it. I've tried it, so I know
953
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:55.679
that's the truth.
954
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.840
You're not even gonna see a deer satellite from outer space.
955
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.000
What are you going to see tops of the trees?
956
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.480
You're not going to see a bigfoot? Come on, this
957
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:10.239
is this is nonsense. So you have an elusive, highly
958
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.679
intelligent creature that is gonna, you know, see you and
959
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.920
smell you from a mile away. And you know, I
960
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:23.559
grew up in Colorado and I love mountain lions and
961
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.880
they're like supposed to my power animal and tote of animals,
962
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.440
but I've never seen one. I'm fifty seven years old,
963
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.920
been here since I was three years old, and I
964
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:35.239
read one time. They said, if you're the kind of
965
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:40.239
guy I am, the likelihood is, chances are you've never
966
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.679
seen a mountain lion. But the chances are there's been
967
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.360
over twenty mountain lions that have seen you, and they
968
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.880
have stalked you and they have watched you. Okay, and
969
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.480
so that's just a mountain lion. Now you think about Bigfoot.
970
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:58.800
So you got all these people out in the woods
971
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.320
and you never so you've never seen one. But guess
972
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:03.719
what they've seen.
973
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.239
You they've seen Yeah, real quick on that. I saw
974
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.039
this thing recently that some guy put a tracker on
975
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.039
his cat, and so he'd take his dog for a
976
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.840
walk every day, and he wanted to know what his
977
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.519
cat was doing while they were walking. And the cat
978
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.360
basically followed them around the neighborhood stealthily. So he was
979
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.880
there with them almost the entire time, watching them, and
980
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.400
they never knew the cat was there until they put
981
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:25.199
a tracker on the cat.
982
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:32.280
Right. Well, I was I was thinking of taking up jogging.
983
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.920
Get your drum beat ready, and and I was thinking
984
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.559
about taking up jogging, but I wanted a pet to
985
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.679
go with me, So I was thinking about buying a turtle.
986
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.119
Come on, you gotta do better than that. Bro, Come on,
987
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:49.599
you got to do better than that. Yeah, okay, so
988
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.400
we got about a minute left your final thought on this.
989
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.519
So certainly bigfoot, certainly Pacific Northwest. You got a team.
990
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.400
And so the question becomes, if you find it, then
991
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.679
would you disclose that or would you take the time
992
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.280
to kind of go through the paces of the discovery
993
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.320
before you start to just you know, call the New
994
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:09.159
York Times or whatever.
995
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.400
Well, I would definitely disclose it, but I would want
996
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:17.760
to get my ducks in a row and conclusive evidence,
997
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:24.920
And like you said, I would keep certain things confidential
998
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.320
to not endanger them. And it's actually a law in
999
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.840
Washington state. You could not kill a big foot. Yeah,
1000
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:39.239
you couldnot kill a non human hominid in the state
1001
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:40.599
of Washington. It's illegal.
1002
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.559
Well that's convenient. By the way, I wouldn't rely on
1003
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.920
that if you're doing a prank running around in a
1004
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.480
bigfoot suit in the woods, because you're likely to get
1005
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:53.840
shot regardless of what the law says. Matthews said before.
1006
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.320
I've said it many times. I'm like, you think people
1007
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.400
run around in suits. No, you're gonna get shot. That's
1008
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.760
a good way to good shut. But yeah, I also
1009
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.400
just I agree with James. There's times they disappear, their
1010
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:13.440
footprints disappear. That happen in skin Walker Rants ninety miles
1011
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.039
from where I'm sitting right now. Skinwalker Rants as the
1012
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.679
crow flies, and I can watch the UFOs from here.
1013
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:20.239
I watch them every summer.
1014
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.159
Nice, nice, right, A lot of places to check. I
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00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.159
appreciate you very much, thanks for popping in and giving
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00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:26.880
us your take and always a pleasure. My man, have
1017
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:27.320
a great name.
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I'm a great dun.
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You were the best. That's Matthew and Colorado.
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You know home.
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You love him, good friend for a long time. Go
1022
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check out his book. Link's going to be in the
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description down below. Multiple books by the way, Troubleminds dot Org,
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Fortslast Friends, It says, Matthew's book here. Click that link.
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I think there's still a coupon code down there for
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eighty percent off his big book for trouble Minds listeners,
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go check that out. We're talking to hunt for Legends tonight,
1028
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.199
modern and historical monster hunting. And of course, if you
1029
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.920
were to find or let's say, seek, where would you start,
1030
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.880
Assuming you had a budget and you had the time
1031
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:58.719
to do. It's what would you expect to find you?
1032
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.440
Right back more Trouble Minds coming up. We got Derek
1033
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.400
the Knight's stocks where we got more from James and
1034
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.559
Kelly and Colorado as well. Don't go anywhere more on
1035
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:23.920
the way. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I your host,
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00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.400
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, Rock Finn, Rumble, Twitter,
1037
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.079
and Twitch. We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds
1038
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.840
Radio Network. That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and also maybe eighty
1039
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.159
eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. We are also
1040
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.320
now live on Twitter x spaces tonight. We're taking your
1041
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.239
calls as we're talking to hunt for Legends, Monsters, modern
1042
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:44.519
and historical monster hunting. If you go back to the
1043
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.760
days of Gilgamesh, yeah that long ago, thousands of years ago,
1044
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.960
monster hunting was a thing. But you know what, if
1045
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.960
you go turn on the TV on the Discovery Channel
1046
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.000
or the History Channel these days, monster hunting is still
1047
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:57.360
a thing.
1048
00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:58.599
Why do you think that is?
1049
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.840
Is it because we haven't found any monsters? Is because
1050
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.039
we've found some monsters and they've been relegated to zoos
1051
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.360
or museums or something. I don't know what does that
1052
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.280
look like? And basically the question tonight is exactly this.
1053
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.280
If you were given a budget and a team, where
1054
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.519
would you go and what would you seek? Considering that
1055
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:21.280
your best options to find let's say, whatever monsters might
1056
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.280
exist out there, or again, as usual, Look, everything plays,
1057
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:29.119
So I'm definitely one to want to believe, but it
1058
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.119
doesn't mean that this stuff might be real. So if
1059
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.039
you think that other stuff is real monsters aren't real,
1060
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.559
that plays too as usual. Okay, maybe you're like, hey,
1061
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.960
let's use the money to feed hungry people. Okay, fine, fine,
1062
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.320
you win. You're right, You're probably right. But if you're
1063
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.519
giving a budget, why not go check some of this
1064
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.679
stuff out? So so far, we have bigfoot, sasquatch in
1065
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.320
the Pacific Northwest. We've got Jeff said, out there maybe
1066
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.800
in the ocean somewhere looking for UFOs or usos, including
1067
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.199
as I mentioned, maybe some hot spots or maybe the
1068
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.960
deep parts of the ocean. So what else is there?
1069
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.320
So if we all say bigfoot, that's a little bit boring.
1070
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.679
So let's get creative. If bigfoot is your thing, you
1071
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.400
can say bigfoot. But let's let's add another wrinkle to
1072
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.679
the conversation. I love to hear your thoughts seven two
1073
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.239
nine on your three seven jeams, anything that'd probably go
1074
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:10.599
to Derek.
1075
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.679
Just the the dog Man thing. I mean, that's probably
1076
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.400
one of the maybe second, one of the second biggest,
1077
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:20.880
I don't know, maybe it's second, but it's up in
1078
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.480
there in top five of sightings I think overall.
1079
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:26.880
Yeah, dog Man, dog Man itself.
1080
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:28.119
Yeah, I think so.
1081
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.039
I mean it's up there as far as close to
1082
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.239
dog Man anyway.
1083
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.000
Right on, right on, Okay, let's do it. Let's go
1084
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:37.800
to Derek in Massachusetts.
1085
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:43.920
The monsters are out to night.
1086
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:44.760
What's going on?
1087
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.760
How you doing? What's up? Welcome to the Joint. How
1088
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:50.679
are you? Derek in Massachusetts? Yeah, this is I thought
1089
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:51.920
we'd have a little fun. Like I said, we a
1090
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.440
little dark, sometimes a little deep, little little too Cuthulhu.
1091
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.920
Let's go. Let's go modern monsters and see what the
1092
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:58.880
hell's going on? What's on your mind tonight? Welcome back
1093
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:01.840
to the Joint. Go right, head sir, Yeah, it's.
1094
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:02.199
A wild one.
1095
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:04.159
You can hear me right if you think of having
1096
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.840
some headphone troubles, you sound good? Okay, yeah, so if
1097
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.280
I won't too much on the where would I go then,
1098
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.039
because Jeff already nailed mine, But I would definitely try
1099
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:17.719
to go underwater. Fight all the money in the world.
1100
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.440
I will get a submarine probably if the Ocean Gate
1101
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.119
Titan didn't didn't kind of scare us all off from that.
1102
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.440
Maybe get James Cameron involved somehow, and uh go into water,
1103
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.400
maybe the Premire Triangle, maybe the loch Ness or whatever
1104
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.000
those kind of seam maybe a little bit played out.
1105
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:38.480
If I like needed desperately to like prove phenomena or
1106
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.199
find phenomena, the most likely I would, I would, And
1107
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.440
then i'd I had all the money in the world,
1108
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:43.960
which you would need, I would try to find Stephen
1109
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.039
Greer and pay for his extravagant courses and go on
1110
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.559
whatever mountain he's going he's going at.
1111
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.519
You know, well, what if you had all the money
1112
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:51.880
in the world, you could just hire him to come.
1113
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.360
Along with you, So it would all be good, exactly
1114
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.719
exactly me and him and whatever Rocket Feller he's hanging
1115
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:58.280
out with his team.
1116
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.039
But I think the melon the Melon family is what
1117
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:06.079
you're looking for. Sorry, sorry, And.
1118
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.480
If I wanted to go to a location per se
1119
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:11.280
to like find phenomena, Yeah, so there's like the summoning thing.
1120
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:13.920
If you want to find some some some stuff, some
1121
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.960
maybe some maybe even tangible alien stuff, that's what that's
1122
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:18.360
what you need. If you need to need to hide,
1123
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:23.159
if you need to like prove phenomena phenomena, then like
1124
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.599
there's all kinds of summonings and invocation stop busting out
1125
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.480
the corolla and stuff like. I don't do magic, but
1126
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.679
I definitely believe in it, you know, And I I
1127
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.559
always kind of like give the give kind of the
1128
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.760
parental advisory warnings with these type of shows that the
1129
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.880
Devil's advocate that be sure, this is good type of stuff.
1130
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.039
But if I needed to get results a SAP, then
1131
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.559
I probably had to either Washington, d c. And find
1132
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.480
some stone circle they have there, or some stone circle
1133
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.079
in Silicon Valley and do some busting out the rituals.
1134
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.880
Very like Robert Denny Junior when he played Sherlock Holmes
1135
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:55.480
and the guy Richie one when he's like trying to
1136
00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.320
figure out what the what like like blackstone or or
1137
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.239
blackwood or whatever it is up to. So we like
1138
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:05.559
basically try to learn magic and the bricks out whatever.
1139
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.719
But I feel like that that would kind of the
1140
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.320
most instant results. I think results are you can you
1141
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.320
can engage the phenomena if you engage with it. But
1142
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.639
I just haven't engaged with it, you know. Yeah, yeah,
1143
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:17.320
more stuff.
1144
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:20.079
It seems to be a common theme these days that
1145
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.679
everybody's you know, look at the bloodsteons or whatever of
1146
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.239
the Fayetteville incident, and there's a lot of people are
1147
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:25.679
getting careers.
1148
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:26.079
One of them.
1149
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:27.880
Like you said that people just say, hey, you know,
1150
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:29.559
you just ask you summon them and they'll come to you,
1151
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.679
and that's lights in the sky or whatnot. But but
1152
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:35.320
the weird part is that if that's the case, I
1153
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.199
guess I don't know, would you take like a like
1154
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.679
a like a bunch of like Buddhist monks or something
1155
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.159
like a like a little sort of prayer circle they
1156
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.000
kind of come along with you and like maybe sort
1157
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.000
of heighten the energy or something, so maybe attract these
1158
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.679
entities to you because I think, you know, when you
1159
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.559
mix the ideas of UFOs and spirituality, it seems like
1160
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.880
that might be something that goes all the way back
1161
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:59.000
thousands of years, is how they commune with these things,
1162
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.440
you know, commune with let's say, the spirits of our ancestors.
1163
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.280
For one example. But you know it wasn't necessarily you know,
1164
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.639
peyoti or whatever. It was just an actual meditation. So
1165
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:11.840
I don't know, I think maybe that makes some sense.
1166
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:13.719
You know, bring bring like a Catholic priest, just in
1167
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.320
case you get some demon action. Bring like, yeah, a
1168
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:19.679
circle of chanting monks, and you know, bring some guys
1169
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.800
with some guns, just in case it all goes really bad.
1170
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.079
I don't know, like you gotta buy me I bring
1171
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:25.840
I bring them all. I would totally bring them all.
1172
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.000
No, exactly exactly. And I mean as you're explaining it,
1173
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.840
you're kind of explaining or like I'm thinking about for
1174
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.519
some reason, I'm thinking, if I have unlimited resources and
1175
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:38.079
then like I desperately need to like like gun to
1176
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:39.760
the head, you have to find phenomena, you have to
1177
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.840
make contact with something, so kind of get rid of
1178
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:45.119
morality a little bit. What would you do immediately? Like
1179
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.519
the secret machines tummed Along book talks about these things
1180
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.000
also respond to like blood rituals and stuff. So yes,
1181
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:54.480
bring the monks out, but also like in the order
1182
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:56.800
you like like cut your hand or whatever to get results.
1183
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.159
And Dano assessed to push his daughter up to get
1184
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:01.559
the stone and everything. It seems like they engage with
1185
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.880
that type of phenomenon stuff too. But as you're saying that,
1186
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I'm thinking that's basically like what m kltry is. Like
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01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.679
unlimited resources in secrecy. Get a bunch of people from
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01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.719
like the advanced programs in school and stuff, or people
1189
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:14.559
who seem a little witchy or seem a little tuned
1190
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:20.039
in and their kids, like a Stranger Thing style, get
1191
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.719
them in a facility and do experiments on the until
1192
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.320
you make contact and stuff. You know, it's I think,
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01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:27.039
I think that's what they're doing. And it involves like
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01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.519
rituals and sacrifices and and all that kind of stuff.
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01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:31.800
I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, So of course to add to add to
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01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.159
the mixture, you have to hire some pretty eminent remote viewers.
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01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.199
I mean, why not, right, Like your the team is
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01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:41.760
now going to be like one hundred people or a
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01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:43.800
thousand people or whatever, but hey, you're going to cover
1201
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.920
all the bases and some of all the things if possible.
1202
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:46.280
Why not?
1203
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:46.519
Right?
1204
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:51.639
Exactly exactly exactly with the with the monster Hunter aspect
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01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.840
of it. You're right, this seems to be like especially
1206
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.639
in fiction obviously, like and I love the idea of
1207
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.480
a secret of hunting group. So you mentioned Buffy, they
1208
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.960
have like the Watcher's Council. It's kind of this group
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01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.000
that this like Shield for Monsters and stuff. Field has
1210
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.519
its own monster group. DC is the same thing. I think.
1211
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.360
It's like the Marvel one is like Shade or Vice
1212
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.679
or DC one is Shade and has like Frankenstein and
1213
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.719
stuff in it, and like the Justice League Dark and
1214
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:20.920
the type of thing. But hell Boy has the b
1215
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.920
p r D, the Burial, the Bureau of Research and
1216
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:30.199
Paranormal Department or whatever. Blade has the Nice Stalkers, which
1217
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.480
is a group of vampire hunters and everything, which is
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01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:34.559
what I really had in mind when I named myself
1219
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.039
Nice Stoker, not not rich Rum Mirrors. So that's that's
1220
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.440
a that's a bit of a generational thing sometimes when
1221
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.239
people go like they think of my name is kind
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01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:41.599
of scared.
1223
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:44.559
I was old guys the murder.
1224
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:47.159
I swear it's not.
1225
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:47.760
It's not that.
1226
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.519
But I was listening to a video I've just been
1227
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.760
cranking through, like just comic lower stuff and just like
1228
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.440
like movie lower stuff, and I did like the original
1229
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:02.639
last night, did like the original Men in Black comics,
1230
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:04.880
and so the Men in Black as an organization like this,
1231
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.960
they've unlimited resources and they're dealing with the phenomena. But
1232
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.960
also in the original comic, they also deal with like
1233
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.719
there's basically the X Files before the Before the X Files,
1234
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.440
I dealt with paranormal stuff and anything you kind of
1235
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.119
want to keep secret. So it just seems to be
1236
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.000
and it seems kind of a Drew line with that.
1237
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.800
So for this kind of the you're talking about, how
1238
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.800
do you how do you hunt these legends? These these
1239
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.159
legends and stuff, and a few a few months ago,
1240
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:33.840
I was kind of spitball on the rivers and I've
1241
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.719
been I've been loving the I'm up a story ideas
1242
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.159
that's just like my thing as I'm dealing with my
1243
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.119
own personal crisis. I've been kind of leaning into just
1244
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.039
I've been like like coming up a story ideas as
1245
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.320
I'm watching something or reading something that I with my example,
1246
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.079
so I was watching like Frankenstein or Dracula or something
1247
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.039
like that, or the the Tom Cruise Mommy movie a
1248
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:58.800
few months ago, and it set up the Dark Universe
1249
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.800
or as a movie came out. This is like twenty seventeen,
1250
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.760
twenty eighteen Universal Pitch there like Universal Monsters that like
1251
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.880
connected Dark Universe. They're they're Marvel Universe and a like
1252
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.079
Russell Crowe and Johnny Depp and aavy hair bar dam
1253
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.480
and a bunch of like heavy duty actors. But the
1254
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:19.519
but the the Mummy bomb, so just they can't they
1255
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.559
canceled all of it or whatever. But these these characters
1256
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.880
are are are what do you call it fair use
1257
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.320
or open source or whatever whatever you call it, so
1258
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.000
anyone can use it. We can make a comic right
1259
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:34.559
now about the Universal Monsters. So how would I do
1260
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:38.159
my universe? What's my entry point into our Universal monster story?
1261
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:42.800
And I would do Universal Monster Hunters. How do you
1262
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.760
fight these monsters? You need monsters? How do you fight
1263
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.119
a legend? How do you hunt a legend? You need legends?
1264
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.480
And kind of assemble a Avengers or Justice League with
1265
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.920
the Universal Monsters. So like Dracula will be kind of
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01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:56.119
like this billionaire who's been around for a long time,
1267
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.519
knows everything, so he's kind of Batman or Iron Man,
1268
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:00.559
kind of gets all the gear as I was, kind
1269
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:06.079
of knowledge Frankenstein. He's like a victim of science tinkering
1270
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.639
kind of, and he's nice, kind of the wholesome spirit
1271
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.679
of the group or whatever. You have the Invisible Man
1272
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:17.559
kind of the kind of the spy, like uh espionage
1273
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.400
type of person, which could be Black Widow or could
1274
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.400
even be like ant Man if it's like a scientific thing.
1275
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.360
If it's like a chemical you drink to become invisible,
1276
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.800
then ant Man has the pin protiicle with tiny as
1277
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:31.559
ant faithfully invisible creature from the Black Lagoon could be
1278
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.599
kind of like vision or marketing manhunter. It's like sophisticate
1279
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.440
with who episode look like the most the biggest monster
1280
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.280
of the group, or kind of like the thing from
1281
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.800
the Potastic Four. Could be like a victim of a
1282
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.559
disaster some kind of like he knows you're a freak
1283
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.400
and he's a family of himself. The wolf Man could
1284
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.400
be like Hulk. His his power comes out when he
1285
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.679
doesn't want to or like when he can't control with power,
1286
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.239
kind of Fantom of the Opera could be like could
1287
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.599
be kind of an iron Man tech guy sort of,
1288
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:59.679
but I was thinking more like a Nick Furry and
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01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:01.000
they are in the opper house. Can kind of be
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01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:03.320
the avenger Stower for the group whatever and kind of
1291
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.320
and you mentioned the doll thing. They're thinking like the
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01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.199
Guardians of the Galaxy. It's kind of like where the
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01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.320
defenders of some kind of smaller group not quite a
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01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.559
Vengers level, would be like the movie Slashers, like Jason
1295
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.079
and Freddy Kruger and Michael Myers, and then the Rocket Raccoon.
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01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:20.000
That's kind kind of the Guardians of the Galaxy group.
1297
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.480
And then the Rock Raccoon could be at the Chuckie
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01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.599
Doll or whatever and take the in these things, you
1299
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.159
got to call it like the balance of power between
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01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:28.480
this side and the other side is all out of whack,
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01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.719
and we need to keep the We need to call
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01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.239
upon the things who have been maintaining the balance. But
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01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.360
their very existence, the thing that's been feeding and and
1304
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.119
being the vessel for all this lore and these stories
1305
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.079
over and over and over again, you get to pull
1306
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.519
them out of retirement. Basically like unwilling kind of Mantracula.
1307
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:46.920
We need you.
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01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.480
It's like, oh, no, no, okay, one, two, three months
1309
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.719
is all whatever, I'm what do you think?
1310
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.480
Yeah, yeah, it's a little fun fiction, yeah for sure.
1311
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:58.559
So so basically to find defined sort of cosmic monsters,
1312
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:00.519
we sort of need to assemble a moment the team
1313
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.199
to down here here on Earth right, because because it
1314
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.360
becomes the monsters we know versus the monsters we don't know,
1315
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:08.920
it becomes the rest of that stuff.
1316
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:09.599
Yeah.
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01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:11.559
So if it was a movie or this is the
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01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.000
big this is the crux of it. I mean, if
1319
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.440
if it was a movie or a comic, it would
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01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:17.599
be the universal monster hunters have to go out and
1321
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:20.079
hunt the actual monsters and stuff. So actually go out
1322
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:22.639
and hunt the Skinwalkers and the wind to Goes and
1323
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:26.360
the Jersey Devils and all that kind of stuff, the
1324
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.760
actual phenomenon. And that's when you would the storytelling perspective,
1325
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.119
that's when you would engage the maybe juice part of
1326
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:36.039
your mind. And is every possible maybe juice type of
1327
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.159
topic we talk about in the show could be a
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01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.000
thing that you guys are going out and hunting. I'd
1329
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.719
watch that. It could be a way to bring back
1330
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.320
to the universe of monsters. And it's just like but
1331
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:47.480
but as I was explaining it to Rivers, it kind
1332
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.119
of sounds like the League of Extraordinary Extraordinary Gentlemen, but
1333
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:54.199
universal monsters instead of like the literary figures. It's not
1334
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.440
that original love an idea that's my best idea, But
1335
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:58.440
I kind of like.
1336
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.920
It and I'm stelling to you. Yeah, yeah, well, I
1337
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:03.599
mean this is the whole point is is sort of
1338
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.679
taking these old if you can, if you can take
1339
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.320
old tales and sort of resurface them into interesting things today,
1340
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:11.840
I mean that's that's the game, right, Like you lock
1341
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.599
one in and I can write a good story. Well
1342
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.319
it's a cross our fingers that you you hopefully hopefully
1343
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:19.359
Hollywood is listening to us, as we always joke about,
1344
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:22.159
because they're aways stealing our ideas anyway, So maybe that's
1345
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.079
the case. If if that like airs like nine months
1346
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.960
or fifteen months from now, we're gonna be really suspicious.
1347
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:28.760
But yeah, yeah.
1348
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:31.720
I can take off. Thank you.
1349
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:32.399
That's it.
1350
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:34.520
I want to give a little picture. I guess I
1351
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.439
just call it mine good stuff, right right?
1352
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.680
I pretty sure the always a pleasure. That's Derek the
1353
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:41.079
nice Stocker, you know what me love him a good
1354
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:42.960
friend for a long time. And of course go check
1355
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.920
out his YouTube channel. It's free, uh Troubled Minds dot
1356
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:47.920
org fort size friends. It says falls the nice Stocker here,
1357
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.720
amazing stuff is always it usually peels out time from
1358
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.039
work to call us. So thank you for that, Derek
1359
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.359
and uh Knight stalk or s t O c K
1360
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.399
e R. He's a calling from a grocery store stocking overnight.
1361
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.720
That's that's the joke. I'd love to hear your thoughts
1362
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.720
on this. We're talking basically monster hunting, the hunt for legends.
1363
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:08.079
Where would you start and what are you likely to find?
1364
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:10.119
And of course the wrinkle to it is if you
1365
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:12.880
found something what you expected, would you disclose it or
1366
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.039
would you wait? Which is again the eternal question here
1367
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.119
anything that dreams before we go to Kelly.
1368
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:22.960
Here, great call from Derek has always Yeah, the idea
1369
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.920
of sort of the evil or supposed to evil, you know,
1370
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:29.640
versus the one that you don't. I think that's an
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01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:34.000
amazing idea in reality, but also in stories in general,
1372
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:37.119
because that has been used so much over the years,
1373
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:40.800
because a lot of times it works. You know, you
1374
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:43.039
don't know exactly what you want to happen, except you
1375
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.159
want everything to be okay and then but you don't
1376
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.079
really know who to root for in a way at times.
1377
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:50.439
So yeah, great call, Yeah.
1378
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:53.159
Absolutely seven two ninety five seven one zero three seventh
1379
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:55.439
click that. Accordingly to Trouble Minds Dot Rod Kelly in Colorado,
1380
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:57.079
what's my man? Your own trouble minds. How are you
1381
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:57.840
serving the right head?
1382
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:00.479
Well?
1383
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:02.000
How are you doing there for I'll tell you guys,
1384
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:03.119
doing pretty good?
1385
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:05.479
Pretty good. We hear you loud and clear. Thanks for calling.
1386
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.600
And what's on your mind? Where would you start to
1387
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:08.720
find some of these monsters?
1388
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.680
First off, nice Soccer had some good ideas, but I
1389
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.239
would like to throw something out here myself. I know
1390
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:18.760
some people already, like you know, we're talking like some
1391
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.560
I wouldn't say the basic ones, but the ones that
1392
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.920
everybody you know comes across their lips if they're out there.
1393
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.159
Monster hunting would be like bigfoot, you know what I mean,
1394
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.520
or sasquatch or whatever you want to call them. Mine
1395
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.640
would be not only the northwest Washington, Colorado, Montana, Canada, Idaho,
1396
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:40.880
and Utah where most of their sightings are We're from,
1397
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.000
but then you also have like you know down in
1398
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.439
Florida area down and they call them like the swamp
1399
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.680
ape or something like that, a weird name like that, Yeah,
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01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:53.199
what is that skuncape?
1401
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:54.680
Yeah? Yeah?
1402
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.720
So, and you have also ones like the goatman Maryland
1403
01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:03.479
and mockman. You have the Virginia. I would like to
1404
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:07.920
take some piccotine too. You know, down to like maybe
1405
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.520
you know, hunt skin walkers down in Utah, Arizona, New
1406
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.439
Mexico area, right, and that's on some reservations down there.
1407
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.920
Reptilians where you know, some of those were known because
1408
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.159
I got to go where like some of my research
1409
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.399
has you know, had led me where some of these
1410
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.399
were talked about mostly but like so like reptilians, you know,
1411
01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:31.439
you're not you're we're not talking all about like with space,
1412
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:35.800
but like within Africa, right with uh Over in Mollie,
1413
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.880
you know, they talked about these two reptilian brothers that
1414
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.880
brought the moon here and they lived in more like
1415
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:46.399
uh you know, they were like water beans. That's where
1416
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:49.039
I would go. I'd also go down to like Israel
1417
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.000
area where they had the Golams and same area were
1418
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:54.439
there they would have the giants like giant men and
1419
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.640
stuff where they were talking about a lot of the
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the old clans were giants back then, you know, all
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through like that, the Middle East area, Egypt. One thing
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01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:07.199
I would like to go see in Egypt. I mean,
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they're not really creatures, but there were different beings than
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01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:12.680
what we would call humans was the Bellamies, you know,
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01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.920
the ones with the faces on the chest and they
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01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.199
didn't have no ads. I kind of wouldn't want to
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see where they were at what they were about Atlantis.
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01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:24.920
I'd like to find Atlantis where there was one major
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01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.840
creature that took down Atlantis. His name was the Dweller
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01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:31.159
on All he was that was it was known for
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01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.560
like great power and knowledge and wisdom. I mean, that's
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one place I would like to go check out. Or
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01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.680
the Cedar forest and like the Sumerian where they talk
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01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:44.479
about with Incudo, right, and that's over in bat in
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01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:47.880
Lebanon area where he was in a theedar forest. Incudo
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01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.800
was a creature that was made Was it man or
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01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.039
wasn't like Ananoki was? You know, it was a creature
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01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:58.159
made from a pinch of clay from the earth, I
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01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:00.319
like to, you know, and it ran through the four versus,
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01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.520
you know, lived with the animals and stuff. I'd kind
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of like to see that area. Go down to Mexico
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01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:10.079
you find like Huko Khan, you know, the the flying
1443
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:14.600
Serpent God. Or Norway where you find trolls where they
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01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.399
still don't even believe in trolls and stuff like that.
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01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:21.880
And still Ireland with leper kauns, Finland with faeries. I'd
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like to go down to Australia where they had the
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01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.199
one Genus that's the ones that's painted on the wall.
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They look like big grays with the eyes. It had
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01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.039
also the bayones right that was more like their cre
1450
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.800
their creator God or you know, creation of all stuff.
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01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.520
And you could go down to like Romania with the
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01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.720
vampires and the day Walkers, you know, where you go
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01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.600
down there where you know the original ones were, you know,
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01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.479
Vladni and Paler with that and stuff like that. But
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01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.239
if we're talking like these type of groups of people,
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you know, that would be like hunters of this type.
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01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:57.600
You know, you could talk about like give it, you
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01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.439
know this, you know the government has got some stuff
1459
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.359
people like that. Even if you go back to like
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01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.359
you know the island over in New York where it
1461
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:08.439
was the Montauk Island, you know where like a lot
1462
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.439
of that stories came from where you know, the hipside
1463
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.640
down and stuff like that. He also had like the
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01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.960
X Files that was kind of real stuff too, where
1465
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.840
they had you know, they were checking out, uh, just
1466
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.600
weird stories of like different stuff that's going on with
1467
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.479
cryptis and stuff walking around. And he had stories with
1468
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:28.359
the men in black. You know, these guys would come
1469
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.359
in with like UFOs or different stuff like that. You know,
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01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.720
these they were like type creatures themselves, you know they
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01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.840
were the people thought they were humanoid, but something different
1472
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:38.720
about them as well.
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01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.479
Yeah, you brought to mind something too, So I was
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01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:44.279
going to say this before you mentioned it. But I
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01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.000
think if I was going to do this now, kind
1476
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.399
of just giving it some thought and hearing you guys
1477
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:50.960
with your your theories and ideas as, I would go
1478
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:53.840
to too, Tivacon or something like that and like the
1479
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.000
top of those one of those you know, Mezua American
1480
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:01.079
pyramids and bring bring the whole crew, like the meditation crew,
1481
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.840
bring the prayer crew, and sort of do spiritual stuff
1482
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.199
and see, if you kid, I don't know, manifest a
1483
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:09.840
time slip or you know some in coogle con or
1484
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:11.439
you know what I mean, kind of in those very
1485
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:15.399
very ancient sacred spaces. I wonder, I kind of wonder
1486
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:17.479
I heard a story. Was I think somebody called in
1487
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.319
and told us a story of not story, an experience
1488
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.159
of them having sort of a time slip at the
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01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.000
top of one of those pyramids in you know, Mexico
1490
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:29.439
or Central America and kind of spaced out into this
1491
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:31.479
this thing where everything looked different and then kind of
1492
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.199
came back a few seconds later. But yeah, I don't
1493
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:36.800
know's that's probably the best place to start, is, in
1494
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:38.920
my opinion, is one of those sort of sacred spaces.
1495
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:41.520
They probably built them there for a reason. And I
1496
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.840
wonder if you know some sort of you know, the
1497
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.119
right chant or prayer or something to kind of bring
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01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:50.399
them along. I don't know what else you got, Go ahead, Yeah,
1499
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:51.359
just like.
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01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:54.439
You're saying that awesome kind of think about that as well.
1501
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.199
That's in Peru, right, like all the ones that they
1502
01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.319
call like the Gate of the Sun, you know what
1503
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:00.920
I mean, or door way as the Sun, where they
1504
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.479
look like a big giant doorway and then a smaller
1505
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:06.079
doorway where they they actually even said, you know, it's
1506
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.479
passed down to them that the knowledge where they had
1507
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.720
a key where this it would open up a doorway
1508
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.000
to something else, you know, kind of like it's like
1509
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.479
the Sumerian you know, when the Sumarian talk for they
1510
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.119
where they were talking about like in the talents they
1511
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.359
were it's like metaphors when they say heaven to Earth,
1512
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:22.920
you know what I mean. Maybe that was just a
1513
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.239
jump gate, you know what I mean, where it was
1514
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.079
just where you can open it up and next thing a,
1515
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:30.960
you're on that planet from you know, or dimension. You
1516
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.039
know what I'm saying, because that would be another one too.
1517
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.000
That that's where I would I would go, you know,
1518
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:37.800
with my mind and me, you know, with all the
1519
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:39.520
stuff you know that I've talked about, I would go
1520
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.079
with all the ancient stuff, like I'll take all the
1521
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.439
old ancient maps from sailors and stuff where you have
1522
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.119
like these weird creature one eyed creatures, you know, like
1523
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:52.479
or or like uh, some kind of a sea dragons
1524
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:54.720
or like you know the Bellamies where the guy I
1525
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:58.239
was talking about earlier. They were not only known in Africa,
1526
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.520
like in Egypt, Areya, but they're a lot of those
1527
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:04.000
old maps they're actually you know, showed in like smaller
1528
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.760
islands and surrounding like in the Atlantic, right were some
1529
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:11.239
of the stuff like that, but even even islands where
1530
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.319
they they show for years, you know what I mean,
1531
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:18.680
over the decades or millennias. You know, these sailors that
1532
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.439
had like you know, where these islands were supposed to be.
1533
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.640
But then after a while they're just been taken out,
1534
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:25.760
you know what I mean they're just gone. You see
1535
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:28.960
them on old globes that people had. But then I
1536
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.439
would try to find that because me, that's telling you something.
1537
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:35.319
They're either trying you know, somebody's trying to hide these things,
1538
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.439
or you know, the knowledge of these type of things,
1539
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.760
or even like you know what we're talking about, like
1540
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.479
you know, you could you know jump gate or like
1541
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:48.239
a portal somewhere or a k something or even into
1542
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.439
like let's say the hollow Art theory or anything like that.
1543
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:52.439
You know what I'm saying.
1544
01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:55.119
So if you can, that's what I would do.
1545
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:57.279
That what my team would be would be first off
1546
01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:59.359
of me, you'd have to go into these ancient ones
1547
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:05.399
or all these people think it's just you know, just myth,
1548
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.039
you know, I would that's the ones that would anything
1549
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:10.439
that they would have a myth or a story behind it,
1550
01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:12.319
and that's ancient as old. That's where I would we
1551
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.439
go before I had any kid. Anything newer you know
1552
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.000
that's coming out nowadays, because everything's based on old stuff anyways,
1553
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:20.279
you know you know what I'm saying.
1554
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.680
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely it makes the most sense because you know,
1555
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.319
you talk about sort of hot spots and hauntings today,
1556
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.079
the hot spots. They sort of probably again, you know,
1557
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:34.000
went with the mind's I probably built those huge ancient
1558
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:37.239
structures on hot spots for particular reasons, lay lines or whatever.
1559
01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:39.479
So absolutely, we're just about out of time. Man, you're
1560
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:40.960
walcome the stick if you want to wait through through
1561
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.079
a commercial, but out of time aus of now you tell.
1562
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.680
Me no, I just wanted to give that up.
1563
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.720
And all last things that I would like to go
1564
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.760
and hunt down would be down over the Marshall Islands
1565
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.720
and hunt down Godzilla. That would be the ultimate one.
1566
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.920
You're thinking big, I love it. I love it, great stuff.
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01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.680
Appreciate the call. Kelly. It's a pleasure. That's a great night.
1568
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:05.640
That's Kelly. You tooth. Take care man, you take care.
1569
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.720
That's a Kelly and Colorado. You know you love him.
1570
01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:09.920
Good friend for a long time. And uh yeah, we're
1571
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:13.640
talking monster hunting. Where would you go? Where would you start?
1572
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:15.800
Where would you spectifind be right back More Trouble Minds
1573
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.520
coming up. We got m Jane Virginia, more from James
1574
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:48.239
and your calls as well. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back
1575
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:50.720
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
1576
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.159
on YouTube, Rock Finn, Rumble, Twitter, and Twitch. We are
1577
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.520
broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds Radio network that's KUAP
1578
01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:00.359
Digital Broadcasting and maybe eighty eight point four FM Afera
1579
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:02.520
New Zealand. So we're actually going to be on the
1580
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:05.680
Underground Media Network as well, so we're trying to syndicate
1581
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.039
ourselves and go worldwide here. So that's not quite locked
1582
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:10.920
in yet, so I'm not sure what nights were on there,
1583
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:13.239
and it's still still up in the air, so I'm
1584
01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:14.720
going to say it like we're there. We might be
1585
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.119
live on the air, but if not, it will be
1586
01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:18.720
very soon and we have been in the past, so
1587
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:21.880
it's coming. I'll let you know when that actually rolls out,
1588
01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:24.640
and it's a perfect schedule and all the rest. We're
1589
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.960
also again on Twitter x tonight and taking your calls
1590
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.600
if you want to be part of the show, doing
1591
01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.319
all the things, because of course, right a worldwide Internet
1592
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:33.560
show should be worldwide in Internet, and you should be
1593
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.359
able to contact us anyway in all the ways, and
1594
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:38.119
of course I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
1595
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:41.079
So the whole premise tonight is the Hunt for Legends.
1596
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.760
I'm calling it modern and historical monster hunting, and it
1597
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:49.840
is something that is a circular story, a circular manifestation
1598
01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:53.760
of human anxiety in some cases, probably most cases. But
1599
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.600
of course, as usual, we can't discount everything, as you know,
1600
01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.279
psychosis or people being insane or the things, the things
1601
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.000
they always tell us, right, they're like, oh, come on, now,
1602
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:04.359
that's that's not real. Well, I mean, I don't know
1603
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:06.079
a lot of people say it is, so you know,
1604
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.760
not not to say. You know what I'm saying. There's
1605
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:13.319
there's caveats, and there's interesting cases, and there's compelling stuff,
1606
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:15.239
and it makes you wonder about the nature of reality.
1607
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:17.520
That's the whole point of this. But the question tonight
1608
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.720
for you is if you were given a budget and
1609
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.800
a team, and you know, let's say a healthy budget.
1610
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:24.359
I'm not sure about all the money in the world.
1611
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:26.760
That's not fair, but a healthy budget and a team,
1612
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.279
where would you go to find the most likely real
1613
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.520
monster that exists today. That could be paranormal, that could
1614
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:35.960
be you know, sasquatch or Bigfoot, that could be under
1615
01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.960
the ocean, that could be Ufo somewhere else in the
1616
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.319
desert or whatever. Lots of ways to look at this,
1617
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:41.720
and lots of ways to consider it, but where do
1618
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.000
you think is most likely you would find them? And
1619
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:46.439
if it's already been said tonight, we've all said Sasquatch. Basically,
1620
01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:48.640
if you think that's probably the most likely, then that's
1621
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:51.279
cool too. But what you got as a secondary as
1622
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.840
part of that, and the second layer question is if
1623
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.000
you found what you expected to find, would you disclose
1624
01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:59.560
it immediately, call the New York Times or something, or
1625
01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:01.640
would you sort of keep it quiet until you could
1626
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:03.880
kind of determine more what to do as part of
1627
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:07.399
the larger context. Before we go to MJ anything James
1628
01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.079
to add, what's up my friend? Welcome back?
1629
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:13.680
Yeah, great cast from everyone. I was thinking too, if
1630
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.279
there's time later, and I think this would be good
1631
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:18.319
to find out from anywhere else too. You asked at
1632
01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:20.239
the beginning of the show if there was anyone that
1633
01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:26.279
did any kind of investigating for anything paranormal or anything
1634
01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.439
else along these lines, And I've gone on a few
1635
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.359
different public events. I've gone to a few different public
1636
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.560
events where that is done, the paranormal investigating is done,
1637
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:40.920
and had some interesting experiences there. So I can comment
1638
01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:42.880
on that later, but I'd be curious to hear anywhere
1639
01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.119
else's experiences.
1640
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:45.239
With that as well.
1641
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:48.079
Yeah, absolutely add that to the wrinkle. Has anybody been
1642
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:50.640
monster hunting already? Have you been part of a paranormal
1643
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.359
team that went to a lot of a graveyard as
1644
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.960
the veil thinned on Halloween night or something. There's a
1645
01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:57.720
lot of people doing that these days, and you know
1646
01:22:58.079 --> 01:22:59.640
it might be for kicks, but of course there's going
1647
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:01.479
to be some people that take it very seriously and
1648
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.640
have had some experiences themselves. So that's why I talk
1649
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:07.760
about this stuff because I don't like to discount everything,
1650
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:11.000
because well, there's some things out there that are unexplainable
1651
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:12.680
and they're going to be for a very long time.
1652
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.039
We hit we are science knowledge is in its infancy,
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01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.000
and I'm as I said, I expect to find a
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01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:22.479
great many more wild things as science and even AI
1655
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.760
sort of as a data analysis aspect starts to come
1656
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.039
into play here coming up very soon. So I would
1657
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:31.960
not be shocked if we found out something incredible about
1658
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:35.159
consciousness in the next you know, as I always say, two, five, ten,
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01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:38.159
fifteen years, it wouldn't surprise me one single bit. I'd
1660
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.680
love to hear your thoughts on this. If you went
1661
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:42.000
hunting for monsters and had a budget and a team.
1662
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:43.880
Where would you go? What would you expect to find?
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01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.199
If you found it, would you disclose or not? Seven
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01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.720
O two nine five seven one zero three seven Click
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01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.359
the Discord link at Troubledminds dot org. I think this
1666
01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:53.800
is m Jane Virginia. What's up?
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01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:54.039
My man?
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01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:57.000
Just hit okay on Discord and it'll pop you up
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01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.079
to the top and then you should be on. All
1670
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:00.640
you got to do is on mutual and you're on
1671
01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:04.359
Troubled Minds. M Jane Virginia. Am I right? I don't
1672
01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:06.439
recognize the actual avatar here.
1673
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:08.239
But here we go.
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01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:12.079
Good Eve. Yeah, that's me M Jane Virginia. What's up?
1675
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.520
Welcome to Discord. That's a that's a fantastic swamp thing.
1676
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.000
I you got as your your avatar. There, you're right
1677
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.640
on point tonight. Where would you go? Welcome to the thing?
1678
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:22.880
Thanks for using Discord. Where would you go? What would
1679
01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:24.520
you do if you had a team and a budget
1680
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.479
to find some monsters? Where would it be.
1681
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:35.840
On the East Coast for paranormal or demonic or skinwalker ranch?
1682
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.880
Okay? And why would that be elaborate? Please?
1683
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:46.800
Well, because you have a lot of paranormal activity on
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01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:50.159
the East Coast because of Civil War, and there's also
1685
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:53.520
demonic presence here on the East Coast because a.
1686
01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.479
Lot of water you have, you just have it everywhere
1687
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.319
around here, either.
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01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:01.520
That or Skinwalker Ranch because there's you know, supposedly a
1689
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:06.520
lot of activity there periodically for dimensional UFO type of thing.
1690
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:07.000
So I'd be.
1691
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.520
Interested in both. If I had a team, I would
1692
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:13.239
have to run it to do what I say.
1693
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:15.520
Yeah, yeah, of course, that's the whole point. You would
1694
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:17.800
be you would be in control and have the budget
1695
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.439
and have the team. Again, you know, I'm not I
1696
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:21.319
can't fund anything. I wish I was rich, but I'm not.
1697
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:23.800
But it's just a thought experiment here that you would
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01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:25.520
be in charge and you would have the team you wanted,
1699
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.359
and you would be able to go search for these things. Now, okay,
1700
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:30.880
let's say you went sort of the Eastern Seaboard, and
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01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.000
I like that because there's a lot of history there.
1702
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:35.039
There's a lot of not just sort of the American
1703
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:39.079
history stuff, the Revolutionary War, there's a lot of really
1704
01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:41.920
really some dark Native stuff as part of it. I mean,
1705
01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:44.279
of course, sort of the extermination of those tribes when
1706
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.840
when we came in when the West kind of moves in.
1707
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:50.840
There's a lot of really really probably you know, dare
1708
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.960
I say directly haunted places? You know, Gettysburg comes to mind,
1709
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:56.840
things like this, these battlefields that have been there for
1710
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.640
a long time. Uh what what would you expect to
1711
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:02.960
find and if you could prove it, would you disclose
1712
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:03.600
that information?
1713
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:06.239
Well?
1714
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:08.159
What I would expect to find is what I've already
1715
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:09.840
founded some of them. I mean, I don't go with
1716
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:14.399
that often. It's one place I went to and you know,
1717
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.640
the the ghosts are there, they're there, the people there,
1718
01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:19.800
they're dead and they're still one around.
1719
01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:21.199
I would not disclose it.
1720
01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:24.920
I would keep records, I would call into your show
1721
01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.880
and talk about it, but I wouldn't disclose it. I
1722
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:29.840
wouldn't hand it out to anybody, because once you start
1723
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:33.640
handing out the information, you lose power over the information.
1724
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.560
First off. Secondly, people it becomes.
1725
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:40.600
Less than what it is. Is what it is there,
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01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:42.199
you know, and you know it's just that and the other.
1727
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.680
And then you have other people coming in and you know,
1728
01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:48.000
maybe they didn't get what you want. They're gonna you know,
1729
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:49.840
bad mouth here this. I mean, I've seen it happen.
1730
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:52.039
I don't know how many times. So I would keep
1731
01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:58.159
the information personal to me or the team, and just
1732
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:02.359
you know, pile the information that could compendium of it
1733
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:05.359
and just keep going with it because I got I
1734
01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:09.000
got stuff, you know, stuff here on my computer with information,
1735
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:11.880
you know, you talk about your dreams and experiences with pictures,
1736
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:15.119
this type of thing, So I keep it. I just
1737
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:16.960
I wouldn't want to really share it to the world
1738
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:21.479
unless it's in a book, you know, and memoirs or
1739
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:23.520
a book and you know this happened and and tell
1740
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.439
the stories in a book. But I just I wouldn't
1741
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:29.039
give up the pertinent information that would, you know, make
1742
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:30.560
it so public.
1743
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.159
Because I just I just feel it's sort of private.
1744
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:34.000
Like Bigfoot.
1745
01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:38.079
If I found a Bigfoot, I keep that to myself
1746
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.119
and talk to Bigfoot. I want to know what's going on.
1747
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.199
And I would not make it public because people going
1748
01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.000
to come in and just it's sort of they'll.
1749
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:46.199
Shred it, you know, where is it.
1750
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:48.159
I'm not gonna I would I would not do that
1751
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:51.039
to Bigfoot, you know, just keep it private between me
1752
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:51.479
and Bigfoot.
1753
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:54.640
I wouldn't. I wouldn't tell anybody about it for respect.
1754
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:59.039
I think, yeah, I think that's part of the point
1755
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:03.079
is that we have a larger a larger problem, larger
1756
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:06.880
problem because uh, the second you do give it out,
1757
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:08.840
then you have the world at large sort of moving in.
1758
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.680
And that's a that's that's a thing, that's a that's
1759
01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:14.359
a I don't know, like like I see I see
1760
01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:15.880
it both ways, and it kind of it kind of
1761
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.359
pisses me off that Let's say, you know, Robert Bigelow,
1762
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:20.199
with all his money and all this stuff, has done
1763
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.279
the stuff, but he hasn't really given us what he knows,
1764
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:25.479
but he continues to spend money on it. So is
1765
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:29.520
he sort of a true believer or is he right
1766
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:33.760
to actually has data that would be helpful to humanity.
1767
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.800
That's so again, you know, being on the outsider in this.
1768
01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:40.319
Let's say you figured out something scientifically proven and could
1769
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.000
do all the rest of that stuff it you know,
1770
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:46.640
as the outside aspect of it. It it it frustrates
1771
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:50.680
me because there these are let's say information, this is
1772
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:54.039
information that would bring a new paradigm to humanity. And
1773
01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:55.960
and that's the type of thing that drives me insane
1774
01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.640
when we talk about keeping things secret and all the rest.
1775
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.399
But look, I also it's sort of destroying the larger
1776
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:05.399
the larger space of whatever you found, right because you
1777
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:07.479
know that the Department of Energy is going to move in,
1778
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:11.119
the government's going to try and imminent domain whatever's whoever
1779
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.319
owns the property. There's a whole bunch of stuff that
1780
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:16.000
will kind of come of it. And that's that's why,
1781
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.039
that's why things are complicated in this day and age,
1782
01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:19.520
that's for sure.
1783
01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:21.680
Uh yeah.
1784
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:23.760
And I think you know, over period of time, if
1785
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:26.520
you're interested in it, you're gonna know about it. You know,
1786
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:28.600
if you're truly connected or you really want to know,
1787
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.039
you'll find out about it. There's a lot of people
1788
01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.560
out there who want and not you know, speaking badly
1789
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.439
these people, you're probably being one of them right now
1790
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:40.359
as they want that information to know. But my feeling is,
1791
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:43.920
go get the experience and you will know. For me
1792
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:45.960
to tell you this because you know, I call them
1793
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.800
the stories and stuff that's happened with me, and I
1794
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:51.239
think it's probably interesting to some people, you know, to
1795
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:54.319
hear them that type of thing, But that's as far
1796
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.920
as it goes with them. It sort of drops, it
1797
01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.359
sort of falls off the side of the cliff because
1798
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.439
they can't take get the heart. They hear the story,
1799
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.159
but they can't take the heart of the experience of it.
1800
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:06.680
And I think that's what's frustrating for people, because they
1801
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.319
want the experience of it. So when they hear the story,
1802
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.720
it's like, tell me more, tell me more, and they're
1803
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.640
digging for that heartfelt experience so they can they can,
1804
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.239
you know, take it into them themselves and know the
1805
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:21.279
truth of it. And I think that's what's hard for
1806
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.000
you know, people like you and everybody else that wants
1807
01:30:24.079 --> 01:30:27.880
these stories wants the proof. But there's a certain part
1808
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.920
of taking it to heart of your own personal experience
1809
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:32.000
that tells you the truth.
1810
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:36.439
Yeah, I can, I can see that, but you see
1811
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:40.800
the frustration because there's if you have paradigm changing information
1812
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.199
that would convert a bunch of normies into seeing a
1813
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:47.600
whole new version of reality. I think that's incredibly important
1814
01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:51.239
because it would sort of begin to erase the stigma,
1815
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:52.840
and of course there would be a war by the way,
1816
01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:54.600
there would be an information more about it, and they
1817
01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:56.520
would you know, all kinds of the hit pieces and
1818
01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:58.920
New York Times and all those jerks out there, Washington
1819
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:00.840
Posts and whoever you know or post, all of them
1820
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.000
would start writing garbage about you, saying you're you're terrible
1821
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:06.039
and this and that, and they do research on you
1822
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.079
and try and find your history. And I mean that
1823
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:12.399
this is what they do right to to keep control
1824
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:15.319
of the narrative. And I don't think they even care,
1825
01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:19.520
to be honest, if like something happened that was completely
1826
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:23.079
provable that they could actually be, you know, part of
1827
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:25.199
in the larger context of this, I don't. I don't
1828
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.000
think they care because I think that the powers that
1829
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:31.199
be would rather keep the power structure in place than
1830
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.840
have something disruptive. And I think that's that's coming to
1831
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.760
fruition with AI and these AI systems as part of it,
1832
01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:40.000
because the world's going to change here very soon. And
1833
01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:41.560
like I said, we're gon we're all going to have
1834
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:43.880
multiple PhDs in our pocket, be able to consult a
1835
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:48.359
doctor directly through AI itself. And this is or a doctor,
1836
01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:52.000
a lawyer or whatever you name it, uh you ufologist,
1837
01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:54.680
what a prettiest a whatever it is, You're gonna be
1838
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:57.960
able to have like a human level intelligence in your
1839
01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:00.520
pocket to do all of these things. And that's disruptive
1840
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.600
as hell to a world who is based knowledge as
1841
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:07.760
sort of the gatekeeper of human power of you know,
1842
01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.920
the haves and have nots, and so I think this
1843
01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:13.279
would work exactly the same way in the paranormal space
1844
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:15.600
or whatever this happens to be, the UFOs or whatever,
1845
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:17.640
because they don't want this to get out, which is
1846
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:19.920
why I think who was it earlier? I think Jeff
1847
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.319
mentioned to cover up for sure, there's a cover up
1848
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:25.880
of probably a great many things. Yeah, because that's exactly
1849
01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.560
why they don't want the paradigm to change and make
1850
01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:32.600
people wonder about spiritual stuff and make people wonder about
1851
01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:39.000
things that are a little bit more strange. Yeah, anywhere
1852
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:39.800
your take on that go ahead.
1853
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:42.520
I agree totally.
1854
01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:47.239
There is a way you can show people without AI
1855
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:49.520
and all the other stuff involved. There is a way
1856
01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:51.840
you can show them, but you have to point the
1857
01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:54.159
path out to them, and you can probably do it
1858
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:55.239
within a small group.
1859
01:32:55.760 --> 01:33:02.199
Okay, you can do these things, but you've got you
1860
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.960
still have a lot of people out there.
1861
01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:08.159
It's like the UFO conferences, they've got a lot of
1862
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:10.920
people who just aren't you know, they're making money with it.
1863
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:14.079
It's a weekend thing for extra business money, pocket money,
1864
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:18.359
but they're not having experiences. So I do not and
1865
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:20.800
I think, who's the guy that takes people out to
1866
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:22.880
teach them how to call him UFOs?
1867
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:23.720
Is it Greer?
1868
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:24.640
Yeah, that's great.
1869
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:29.880
Okay, let's say he's legitimate on that. That's the way
1870
01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:31.199
to do it. Take people out and.
1871
01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:33.359
Let them experience it so they can go do it themselves.
1872
01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:36.039
That's how you get around the AI and everything else.
1873
01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.159
I don't know if he's legitile on it. I think
1874
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.039
he's charging ten grand per and he's down in Charlottesville, Virginia.
1875
01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.960
I believe that's part of where he stays. I think
1876
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.119
he charged ten thousand dollars for it, that the're not
1877
01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:51.560
pocket money and he's be actually doing it. Maybe he is,
1878
01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:55.159
but that would be the one way to take people
1879
01:33:55.479 --> 01:33:57.880
out and say here you go, I'm going to hand
1880
01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:58.359
it over to you.
1881
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.880
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I think that's that's really
1882
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:07.439
the point of the term disclosure, you know, big d disclosure,
1883
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.640
because there's there's a lot of things probably to disclose.
1884
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:12.600
And this is why we talk about this with each
1885
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:16.680
other because cover ups galore and even even obfuscation within
1886
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.119
let's say, the disclosure of you know, UFOs and stuff
1887
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:21.359
like that is happening right right in front of us,
1888
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it would probably disinformation agents and you know terrorist activities
1889
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and you know online groups that are just to tearing
1890
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tearing things up and doxing people and doing just horrible
1891
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:36.279
stuff for for what though, It seems like it's always control,
1892
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:39.640
control of a narrative. But why though, Because the most
1893
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:46.159
basic aspect of disclosure itself would be not controlling narratives.
1894
01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:49.640
It's like, let the information out and that's disclosure and
1895
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whatever comes of that, whatever sort of paradigm changing aspects
1896
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to humanity happen, that's the point. That's exactly the point.
1897
01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:58.960
Things are supposed to break. We're supposed to you know,
1898
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re rethink our place in the cosmos as part of this.
1899
01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:05.880
That's that's the point. But that I think that's exactly
1900
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:07.800
why they don't want us doing it, because you know
1901
01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:11.520
the old what ghostbusters, dogs and cats living together, people
1902
01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:14.000
stop paying taxes, people stop going to work, all the
1903
01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.880
rest of that stuff. They want the systems to remain
1904
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.560
because that means they're they're they're still in power. But yeah,
1905
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wild stuff.
1906
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Okay, so exactly yea, what you got.
1907
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Now, it's just I'm agreeing with you there. That's total
1908
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one insane power that's Chris right now. They're going into
1909
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the church and preaching the gospel and all these other things,
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and it's like that is so old, you know. And
1911
01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:39.399
there's still people around, gray haired people mostly who are
1912
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going to go to that, you know, but that's very old.
1913
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Can we kind of move on from that? I don't
1914
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know if people need a deity for belief system. I don't,
1915
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but some people may.
1916
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Yeah.
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I just think that part's getting older, and we're in
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between that shift of moving on from it, and the
1919
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powers that be don't want us to move on. And
1920
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:04.119
I just think we're slowly but surely slipping through their
1921
01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:08.920
fingers because you've got too many They've opened up too
1922
01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:13.479
many cans of worms to PREOCTIPI our minds with, and
1923
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.479
they're running out of worms, Like the cans are emptying out.
1924
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It's like you're like, what else you got? There's there's
1925
01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.319
just nothing else they can go to. They just you know,
1926
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.920
go through the rinse cycle and repeat and do the
1927
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:27.720
same thing all over again. That's all it's ever been.
1928
01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:30.439
It's the same tactics all the time, and after a while,
1929
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:32.800
it's just it's just getting old. So I don't think
1930
01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:34.000
they can hold you on that forever.
1931
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I really don't.
1932
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Yeah. Well, and then of course you see what happens
1933
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.399
letting too many worms out of the cans, you can't
1934
01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:43.560
put them back in obviously the toothpaste and the tube analogy.
1935
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.640
But there's a there's a greater problem here is that
1936
01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:49.960
the US A lot of this true, true disclosure, in
1937
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:51.800
my opinion, will come from us talking to each other,
1938
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:55.359
not maybe necessarily us this group. We're definitely doing our
1939
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:58.880
part in the larger context, I think, but everybody else
1940
01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:00.800
talking to each other as well, because there's a lot
1941
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.800
of stigma to experiencers. There's a lot of stigma to
1942
01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:06.079
people that can you know, remote view if that's some
1943
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:08.640
success in that. There's a lot of just a lot
1944
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:11.560
of that stuff. And if you notice there's a lot
1945
01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:15.640
of recently, recently the last week or ten days, like
1946
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.279
like a massive overhaul of the censorship system. They're trying
1947
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:22.039
to chop down you know, Twitter X. They're trying to
1948
01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.479
chop down a telegram. They're trying to chop chop We
1949
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.199
did a show on that was it Sunday or I don't,
1950
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.680
I don't remember, sometime last week. But that's exactly the point,
1951
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:34.159
is that if they can sort of block us from
1952
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:38.479
speaking to each other and sharing experiences, true experiences, then
1953
01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:40.760
they get to sort of rewrite history as it is.
1954
01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.520
And it's it's incredibly orwelly, and it's incredibly And I
1955
01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:45.479
don't say this a lot because I know it's divisive,
1956
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:48.359
and you know, everybody likes to call everybody dangerous, but
1957
01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.760
you know, different political spectrums and whatnot. But I'm talking
1958
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:55.399
about governments of the world. Censoring the speech of citizens
1959
01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:58.640
is truly dangerous, and it has never been on the
1960
01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:01.000
actual right side of history. And I hate that term
1961
01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:04.359
as well, but this is emphatically wrong. I don't think
1962
01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:07.079
there's any two ways about it. And they're again not
1963
01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:09.960
just politically, but I think in terms of disclosure in
1964
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:11.960
a larger context, they're trying to do this to us.
1965
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.000
So we can't talk to each other, so we can't
1966
01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.359
have a show like this, so we can't think ideas
1967
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:19.560
for ourselves. And that's a really the problematic part of
1968
01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:22.680
the cans, the worms coming out of the cans. They're
1969
01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.439
sealing the cans and leaving the worms out and us
1970
01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:28.000
with it, which is which is the unfortunate part. So
1971
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.920
you said Eastern Seaboard and sort of spiritual aspect. What
1972
01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:33.119
was the other thing you said as.
1973
01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:35.760
Well, Skinwalker Ranch.
1974
01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:37.399
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Skinwalker.
1975
01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:39.680
So I would be there.
1976
01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:42.479
Yeah, there's a there's a lot, a lot there. So
1977
01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:45.840
tell me what you know about Skinwalker's and I would
1978
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:47.319
guess you obviously believe they're real.
1979
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:51.239
I would have to be there.
1980
01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.760
But the the initial stories that came out way when
1981
01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:59.439
like twenty some odd years ago makes sense to me, okay,
1982
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:03.880
And if it's there and I don't, I just don't
1983
01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:06.079
think at the point in time at that time it
1984
01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:10.239
was the stories are being told that it wasn't true.
1985
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:15.680
There's just something about it type of thing. And there's
1986
01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:19.760
I think there's multiple because where I lived in Arizona,
1987
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:24.720
there were multiple doorways in the sky and I saw
1988
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:28.039
a lot there and I, you know, I because I
1989
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.960
don't use the word believer hope ever, and I think
1990
01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:38.840
there's an array of arrangements like lay lines or something
1991
01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:40.920
in there that that can be used. I don't know
1992
01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.319
if it's for real or not, but I would love
1993
01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:46.359
to go stay there for a few years just kind
1994
01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:48.600
of you know what's going on and see if there
1995
01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:51.920
would be contact that's that would be like my ultimate
1996
01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:54.640
and if there isn't, you know, fine, there isn't.
1997
01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:55.479
I've had enough.
1998
01:39:56.479 --> 01:40:00.399
But the East coast definitely from Niagara Falls, Oliver On, Florida,
1999
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:04.720
go out to they go out to the out to
2000
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:05.520
the Mississippi.
2001
01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.359
Yeah, like like Kelly Kelly, Kelly had a huge list.
2002
01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:10.800
I'm like, oh, the budgets getting bigger, the budgets getting bigger.
2003
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:13.439
There's so many fascinating places in this world that you
2004
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.760
know where you consider the ancients and you know, thousands
2005
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:19.520
of years ago, but then modern stuff too. I don't know,
2006
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.439
there's there's a there's definitely a lot. I could I
2007
01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:24.520
could definitely spend a billion dollars easily and the rest
2008
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.520
of my life sort of doing bizarre things in these
2009
01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.600
places and trying to find things out. Regarding skin walk
2010
01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:32.159
a ranch too, Like they take a lot of heat
2011
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:34.640
because they're like, oh, you know, we got this, you know,
2012
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:36.800
craft moving through you know, eighteen hundred miles an hour,
2013
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:38.560
done the math on the thing and blah blah blah.
2014
01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:40.560
But then it turns out it's a fly on the camera.
2015
01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:42.399
Like there's a lot of that stuff going on, and
2016
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:46.520
so they're definitely either I would call it sort of
2017
01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:50.840
ignorantly embellishing to kind of keep the thing happening. But
2018
01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:53.319
but I do wonder, like the true data of what
2019
01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:55.680
they're seeing there, Like I don't know, like like I
2020
01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:58.159
like the question I asked for tonight was would you
2021
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:01.039
disclose it? So I wonder what they may have really
2022
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.520
found and they're not disclosing because part of the problem
2023
01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:07.439
I have with the Skinwalker Ranch stuff is that Brandon Fugel,
2024
01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.479
the new owner that bought it from Bigelow, he said
2025
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.399
he said he'd be transparent and he would release raw
2026
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:18.640
data to the public for this stuff so we could
2027
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:20.840
kind of go through this together. And he hasn't done that.
2028
01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:24.439
He hasn't released any raw data whatsoever. It just become paywalled.
2029
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:26.039
And then even then it's like it's sort of a
2030
01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:29.000
T shirt club and you know, you pay them one
2031
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:31.239
hundred bucks a year something to get sort of access
2032
01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:34.159
to some bonus scenes or whatever from the show, but
2033
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:37.359
it's not really data itself or else that data would
2034
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.279
be rolling out and people would be talking about him,
2035
01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:42.800
and this is part of the problem transparency of the effect,
2036
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:46.079
and you know, sort of it makes I think it
2037
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.600
gives the WU stuff UFOs and everything else a really
2038
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:53.239
bad name. And that's that's again problematic. Got a couple
2039
01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.119
of minutes left. If you've got anything, or James, we
2040
01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:56.600
could add him in if you like, you tell me
2041
01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:57.039
what you got.
2042
01:41:58.359 --> 01:42:00.800
Well, when you go to places like Walker, I lived
2043
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.000
in a haunted house in my first house. We talked
2044
01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:05.960
about this and the only way you can experience things
2045
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:10.119
is to live there and let it just flow. When
2046
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:13.439
these guys are going to try to round up experiences
2047
01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:17.279
or something to happen, it's not going to happen. They're
2048
01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:18.960
your ghost hunter shows that go in and make a
2049
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:19.720
bunch of crap up.
2050
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:20.560
That's what they do.
2051
01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:25.000
So even with this place, this guy bought the place
2052
01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:27.399
and now I'm going to do this, and maybe he
2053
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:29.640
just saw it as a way to make money, you know,
2054
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.319
T shirts and memorabilia or whatever these guys are doing,
2055
01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:35.039
and maybe that's how he saw it.
2056
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:36.479
Maybe he doesn't really think it's there.
2057
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:38.720
The only way it's going to happen is if you
2058
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:40.920
live there, and you have to be there, because it
2059
01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:43.119
doesn't come up when you want it to. It's going
2060
01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:44.760
to come up when it's going to and that's it.
2061
01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:48.479
When I lived up north in Arizona, it was nightly.
2062
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:53.920
It was just nightly, and stuff was going on. I've
2063
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.239
had something run across to my top of my roof
2064
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.880
three times. I was once up there and twice in Phoenix.
2065
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:02.960
So that stuff's going on, but you have to live it.
2066
01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:05.159
You can't just go out and have your cameras up
2067
01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:08.039
and your equipment and waiting for something to happen. Yeah,
2068
01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:09.119
it's not gonna happen.
2069
01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:13.800
Unless you find a way to call it and then
2070
01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:15.079
it will have it, which is kind.
2071
01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:18.319
Of exactly my point. I have this idea, so when
2072
01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:19.960
you get syndicated, send me some money.
2073
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:23.840
Okay, when you get syndicated, you send me some money. Okay,
2074
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.560
to god, uh that that would be the dream, by
2075
01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:28.800
the way, to be able to kind of do this
2076
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.800
and go to different places and and try try and
2077
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:34.159
summon these things. I don't know. I'd put myself in
2078
01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:36.279
a fair cage and you got you all get to
2079
01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:39.159
deal with it. I'd be I'd be. I'd be so scared.
2080
01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.880
Whether you're gonna get syndicated in Finland or something, just
2081
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:44.439
have that the country send me some money.
2082
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:46.720
Okay, all right, there you go, getting there. You're first
2083
01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:48.960
on the list is to just randomly send money to
2084
01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:51.199
you got it, Put one on the list. Put you
2085
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:52.960
on the top of the list. There you go to
2086
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:55.960
get this. There's there's nobody on that list. I don't
2087
01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:58.359
get any as as it is, so don't hold your breath.
2088
01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:01.119
But okay, so just about out of time. Final thought
2089
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:03.039
on any of this. Are we missing some stuff in
2090
01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.199
terms of the larger context of monster hunting?
2091
01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:08.920
Not really? No, I would for me, I would stick
2092
01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:10.000
to what I know.
2093
01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:13.520
First off would be the UFO thing or ghosts and demons,
2094
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.640
because they're for me, they're most successible. When you go
2095
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:17.680
into like, oh I had a thing about bigfoot, I've
2096
01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:19.079
got it really quick. So I will tell you about it.
2097
01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:21.760
A few years ago, in middle of July, out in
2098
01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:25.159
the summer, he you know, sitting on a backyard, no lights,
2099
01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:28.479
fireflies everywhere. It looked like Christmas out there in the woods,
2100
01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:32.560
and I hear the snapping of branches and trees going
2101
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:34.479
to back up my brock, my property, and then it
2102
01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:39.000
went back again and you could hear this. I was like,
2103
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:40.760
what that we have deer? We don't have anything that
2104
01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.239
would do that, right, So that disappears, and then all
2105
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:45.359
of a sudden, there's my backfield is like lower two
2106
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:48.359
acres and there's a lumine gate down below in the yard,
2107
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:52.560
the backyard fence. This firefly lights up at the gate
2108
01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.279
six and a half feet off the ground, a straight
2109
01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:58.640
bee line in between two of my buildings. They the
2110
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:02.000
fireflies blink for two seconds and they're gone. Two seconds
2111
01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:05.279
and they're gone. This state on It was a horizontal
2112
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:07.399
line six and a half feet above the ground and
2113
01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:09.439
it went in between two buildings. I went inside.
2114
01:45:11.199 --> 01:45:13.680
I would probably go inside as well. Let's see you
2115
01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:16.800
there because double hell no, double hell no. Appreciate you man,
2116
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.039
Thanks for staying with us, staying up with us late,
2117
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:20.680
and thanks for the amazing stuff as always. Have a
2118
01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:22.760
great night. I appreciate you all right.
2119
01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:24.199
Thanks you, Michael, thank.
2120
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:25.840
You, thank you. That's m Jane Virginia, good friend for
2121
01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:27.000
a long time. You know, me and all of them.
2122
01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.520
We're talking at the Hunt for Legends modern historical monster
2123
01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:33.039
and monster hunting. If you had a budget and a team,
2124
01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:34.520
where would you go? What would you expect to find?
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Be right back.
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More trouble winds coming back, Jenny Missouri. We got that
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more from James and your calls as well. Welcome back,
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good troubled Minds SOS Michael Strange were streaming on YouTube, Rockfinn, Rumble,
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Radio network that's KAP Digital broadcasting and maybe probably eighty
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eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand and Twitter x
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spaces as well broadcasting worldwide on the amazing and glorious intrawebs. Tonight,
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we're talking on monster hunting now, the hunt for Legends,
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modern and historical monster hunting. I'm calling this and basically
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the premises, if you had a budget and a team,
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01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:32.600
where would you go for the most likely place to
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01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:38.000
disclose anything that's aliens, that's paranormal, that's scryptids, that's you
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01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.560
name it, and what would you expect to find? And
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as the added wrinkle, by the way, as the added
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wrinkle to the conversation, if you found what you expected,
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01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:48.960
would you actually disclose that to the public or would
2142
01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:52.880
you wait for additional information kind of like everybody else
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does unfortunately and sort of bottlenecket and you know, slap
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a price tag on it and pay wallet and god,
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01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:03.800
it's it's it's a little bit frustrating if you have
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01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.039
actual data that is paradigm changing to humanity at large
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01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:10.760
to put it behind a pay well, I'm sorry, guys.
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If I have true if I have actual, true data
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that I think is going to do something like that,
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01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:19.479
you bet your ass. I'm not going to do any
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01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:21.199
any of anything of the sort. I'm going to put
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01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:23.319
that out there as much as possible and spread the
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01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:25.079
word as much as possible, and ask all of you
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01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:26.800
to spread the word as much as possible as well
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01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:28.640
as part of it. So I don't know, I don't know.
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01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:29.960
I love to hear your thoughts on this. Seven oh
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01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:32.399
two nine seven zero three seven. Where would you go
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01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:34.880
to find monsters? And what does it look like anything,
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James before we go to Jen.
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01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:40.399
Just great call from MJ. I agree with him on
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01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:45.079
the the way that these things don't happen usually unless
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01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:47.359
unless you sort of like you what you were talking about,
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01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:51.560
unless you somehow make them happen or initiate them. They
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01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.000
don't just happen a lot of times on their own
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when you especially when you only go to one place
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01:47:57.439 --> 01:47:59.800
like he was talking about, for you know, even one
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01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:06.439
day these there's unless it's just a rare you get
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01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:09.319
that one in a million chance lottery or whatever, of
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01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:13.520
being there right when something happens, you know the thing
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01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:15.800
about And now I'll bet not all the TV shows
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01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.079
and the paranorm are bad necessarily, but a lot of
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01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.479
I've heard is that you know, they condense everything down
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01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:25.920
into like whatever forty five minutes or whatever for a show,
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01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:29.000
but usually they're there for a day or or a
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01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:32.000
couple of days, a couple of nights anyway of investigating.
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01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:35.560
They're not usually just there for one night to investigate
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a place, especially when it's a place that is supposedly
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01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:41.760
really active. So so again that just goes to that
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01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:46.800
that point about it not happening on command usually.
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Yeah, which is which is really strange because that that
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01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:53.840
becomes really about so many things and it gets very
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01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:56.359
spiritual in that aspect, which is why we talk about
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01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:58.039
this in all the different ways, because you never know
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01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:00.680
what you're going to get when you ask for monsters,
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01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:04.039
either in your dreams or otherwise. Seven two ninety five
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seven one zero three seven Jenna, Missouri, the RK and observer, Welome,
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thanks for being patient. You're on trouble minds? How are you?
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And go right in day?
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I'm doing good.
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01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:15.000
How are y'all pretty good? Doing a monster stuff, which
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I always enjoy what you got for us tonight, me too.
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I would go to South America. I think that if
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we were given like a certain amount of money to
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work with for it, I'd want to kind of try
2195
01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:35.640
to conserve it, expecting maybe something like a ten year project.
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01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:36.159
I don't know.
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01:49:36.359 --> 01:49:39.319
I'm just thinking in terms of realistic thinking, and I
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01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:42.520
would look. I would be specifically looking. You go the
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01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:48.279
most remote regions of the deepest rainforests in South America,
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01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:53.039
and I would be searching for, you know, that serpent.
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01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:59.600
Just this the stories about Some people think that it
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01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:02.399
might be what they're referring to as the Naga. You
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01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:05.880
could technically probably go to certain parts of remote India
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01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:12.239
or maybe Africa in the rainforest there, or maybe parts
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01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:19.600
of China. But South America still has incredible accounts.
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01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:21.159
Of these.
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01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:27.199
Creatures type of I think it's the I think it's
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01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:31.319
the old serpent. They're supposed to be sentiently intelligent. They
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01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:35.960
are enormous sometime, I mean unbelievable, unfathomable. They're reported by
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01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:40.399
the military and villagers alike. They're terrified of them. They're
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01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:44.880
called literally diablo, like the devil, you know, that they
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01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:50.039
believe it is the original, some type of an original
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01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:55.000
race species. I would go there. I wouldn't. I'm gonna
2214
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.640
stick with this for a little bit. They're supposed to
2215
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:03.319
be in these incredible sizes, can rear up thirteen to
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01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:09.000
fifteen feet. I can take cattle, just literally take a
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01:51:09.159 --> 01:51:13.159
cow out of a herd there. I think that those
2218
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:20.239
temples were at times perhaps that that creature was what
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01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:23.319
they were trying to appease or to relate to. I
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01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.119
think it could possibly have talked or spoke in some
2221
01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:30.640
type of language. That they're incredibly intelligent, and the myths
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01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:34.279
are tremendous about them, But that would be the most
2223
01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:38.439
thing I'd be fixated on. I don't think that people
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01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:40.960
who I think people who do. I think if you
2225
01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:45.119
were to see or capture somehow, I don't know if
2226
01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:46.600
you could bait it. I think that they are so
2227
01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:50.159
sentient it's kind of difficult. But I think there's a
2228
01:51:50.319 --> 01:51:53.439
likelihood of possibly coming across them or a whole culture
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01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:55.319
of it. So I'd try to find the cultures that
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01:51:56.479 --> 01:51:58.920
are still there are still cultures down there, there's still
2231
01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:01.680
villages down there that still give reverence and offerings to
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01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:06.199
those particular creatures so that they don't eat them or
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01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:10.720
come for them. And I think you're looking at something
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01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:15.840
that's so incredibly massive. It's just an fathomable if you imagine,
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01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:19.279
like some of the great lizards that we still have now,
2236
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:23.199
the dragons and things like that, the Komodo dragons, and
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01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:31.319
just it's it just be incredible to witness it, even
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01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:33.399
I mean if I mean, I think you could. I
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01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:37.000
think that sometimes they are going after something else, Like
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01:52:37.079 --> 01:52:39.840
I The issue that I have about going looking for
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01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:43.479
dog Man, or why I would I'd pick this specifically,
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01:52:44.399 --> 01:52:50.520
is because it's they are so widely accounted for. There's
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01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:55.199
no doubt that there are counts of dog Man and
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01:52:55.560 --> 01:53:01.800
of the Sasquatch that that they are there, but and
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01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:06.000
no one is able to find them. They find the
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01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:09.800
person they find who they reveal themselves to for some reason.
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01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:13.239
I'm not saying it wouldn't be the same account for
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01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:18.720
these dragons for this these serpents, but and I think
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01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:23.039
that they are extremely long lived. I just I think
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because of how widespread dog Man and Sasquatch and aliens,
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01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:36.439
that narrowing down, particularly on these old serpents, that it
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01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:39.520
might be easier to pin down where you may actually
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01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:46.439
encounter them, that you could surviving it or you know,
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01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:48.640
something of that kind. I don't know, you know, But
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I also think that if you did, I have no
2256
01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:55.520
doubt that there would be no revealing it. There'd be
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01:53:55.600 --> 01:53:58.680
no disclosure whatsoever, there would be nothing of the kind.
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01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:03.039
I think that you would be possibly subject to some
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01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:09.640
kind of like legal repercussions for revealing it. I think
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I would not be able to reveal it in any way,
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01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:15.760
and I would reveal it though if I was blessed
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01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:19.640
with a deathbed and I would reveal it, then the
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01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:22.560
public of what was witnessed. But I don't think there'd
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01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:26.600
be any revealing. Ironically, if you actually did, perhaps the
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01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.479
experience of searching for it could be revealed to the
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01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:32.319
public and there be watching that. But if I think
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01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:36.119
there would be kind of a slow dead stop initiated
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01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:39.199
by the powers that be that would gradually taper it off,
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01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:41.119
and I think it would be covered up just like
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01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:42.079
it always has been.
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01:54:44.079 --> 01:54:45.640
Yeah, it feels like it. It certainly feels like it,
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01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:47.399
and it feels like that's what we're dealing with now,
2273
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:49.439
because who knows what kind of stuff they have, you know,
2274
01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:53.560
people talking about the Vatican Archive, Antarctica, like a lot
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01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:56.319
of these really wild places, and I'm with you, I
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01:54:56.359 --> 01:54:59.079
would probably go to South America, Central America because that
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01:54:59.239 --> 01:54:59.760
jungle is.
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01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:00.279
Man.
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01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:04.279
If you've ever seen sort of an overgrowth happen and
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01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:08.159
you know, just a few years completely enveloped something, I've
2281
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:10.439
seen it in different contexts here in North America. But
2282
01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:13.319
down in Georgia they have the kudzu. It's like this
2283
01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:15.960
this root that just covers the trees and covers everything,
2284
01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:17.560
and it's like snap your fingers and like a couple
2285
01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:20.600
of years later everything is just enveloped. The the the
2286
01:55:21.039 --> 01:55:24.800
Amazon jungle in Brazil is far greater than that. It's
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01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.159
insane what's probably buried there as far as ancient cultures
2288
01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:32.119
and that we'll well maybe maybe it's so remote and
2289
01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:34.960
so challenging to get to without you know, creating roads
2290
01:55:35.039 --> 01:55:37.359
to it, that maybe we'll never see it. And that
2291
01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:40.119
could be those sort of ancient you know, serpent gods
2292
01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:43.920
that you're describing. Maybe they exist in that primordial space,
2293
01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:45.960
which reminds me by the way of you know, the
2294
01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:47.720
slee Stack or you know, something like that from the
2295
01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:50.119
Land and Lost. But yeah, yeah, amazing stuff. That's where
2296
01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:52.680
i'd go to. I think that's that's probably the space
2297
01:55:52.760 --> 01:55:56.000
that would be most other than like the desert. I mean,
2298
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:57.960
you'd have to take like digging machines and stuff like
2299
01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:00.159
out in the Gobi desert or something. But you know,
2300
01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:02.920
look for the sandworms or whatever of doing but or
2301
01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:05.319
buried pyramids or something. But I think that's just so
2302
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.960
few and far between. I know both both are challenging,
2303
01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:10.119
but I'm with you. I'd probably go to Central or
2304
01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:12.359
South America to find that stuff. What else you got,
2305
01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:14.800
would you expect to find it? You think that's down
2306
01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:15.239
there for real?
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01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:22.520
Yes, I mean I feel that the accounts, the accounts
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01:56:22.680 --> 01:56:30.520
of these serpent gods, these beings, is so incredibly it
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01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:33.640
affects me in a different way than hearing accounts. I mean,
2310
01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:36.079
the other accounts I've heard of any other type of
2311
01:56:36.279 --> 01:56:40.560
creature is incredible, But the accounts of these creatures, if
2312
01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:43.279
they are I think that they are there. The people
2313
01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:49.239
are so certain, with absolute certainty, that they are there.
2314
01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:59.600
And the sheer size to try to imagine and to
2315
01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:03.920
try to imagine the size and the power of these
2316
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:08.439
and the accounts told was the sincerity. And these are
2317
01:57:09.319 --> 01:57:13.279
people that have they are all aware of it. If
2318
01:57:13.319 --> 01:57:16.159
you look up these accounts of these serpents, this diabolo,
2319
01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:19.800
these these serpent gods, I guess that's a good way
2320
01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:24.079
to put it. But they are so immensely huge and
2321
01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:31.000
a type of intelligence and such a severity of helplessness,
2322
01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:36.239
something picturing something that typically would just exist in the
2323
01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:40.439
ocean of that gigantic size, but also existing in that
2324
01:57:40.720 --> 01:57:47.239
forest and in those rivers. To see that of if
2325
01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:49.680
you survived it, I mean people do survive it because
2326
01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:51.960
they account for it. But they lose people, and they
2327
01:57:52.079 --> 01:57:56.520
lose livestock on a pretty regular basis to these creatures.
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01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.640
And they even make offerings still in some regions to
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01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:07.479
this creature. And they are supposedly this ancient race. And
2330
01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:09.960
some people even believe that we are descended from them
2331
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.800
in some way or somehow, that we have some kind
2332
01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:15.520
of deep connection with these creatures, the Naugas stories out
2333
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.560
of India, that those are some type of other. That
2334
01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:21.239
they are, that's the similar thing, essentially, and that they
2335
01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:25.680
have an incredible sentience of intelligence, nothing different from say
2336
01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:32.720
the dog man or with sasquatch, bigfoot, nothing much different there,
2337
01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:37.560
That they are some type of ancient race or an existing,
2338
01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:45.720
you know, prehistoric creature of equal sentience. But to see
2339
01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:50.199
a serpent like this, to see that, and to me,
2340
01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:53.439
it just has a great deal of significance. I think
2341
01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:58.760
that it would be incredible they have They're not just
2342
01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:01.560
purely some type. It's not just a giant snake. I
2343
01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:06.439
mean people have said, like, so, you saw an enormous snake,
2344
01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:10.279
and that is not what they are talking about. They
2345
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:15.800
are talking about something that is so enormous and impossible
2346
01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:19.800
that it's beyond that, and they're describing it like as
2347
01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:23.880
if it is a real creature. It's just the fact
2348
01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:27.680
that it is so infathomablely huge, and I would be
2349
01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:32.319
I think it would be incredible, and I think it has.
2350
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:35.239
It's been witnessed, It's been witnessed by the military. Their
2351
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:39.159
accounts of this. None of this is ever openly. These
2352
01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:41.439
are all just stories that are told, but they tell
2353
01:59:41.520 --> 01:59:45.479
them it's such sincerity and truth. But I have no
2354
01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:50.119
doubt that it is being suppressed for whatever reason. I
2355
01:59:50.199 --> 01:59:53.479
think that those temples are about them. I think that
2356
01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.800
it was also off the Nile. I think that it
2357
01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:58.520
all has to do. I think that Egypt even that
2358
01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:03.119
there is like a deep connection there concerning these in
2359
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these creatures and that, and same with India and China.
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That this is something to me that would be just.
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But I have no doubt that there would be no
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revealing it actually if there was actually somehow, and I
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02:00:18.720 --> 02:00:20.720
don't think there'd be, I just almost don't. I don't
2364
02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:22.600
know if there'd be somehow, but I feel like there'd
2365
02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:25.800
be a better chance because it's not such a broad spectrum.
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They're going to stay by the water. I mean, dog
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Man's been accounted for being seen. They've been seen in cities,
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on the outskirts of cities, as well as being seen
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02:00:36.720 --> 02:00:39.199
in the country I lived in out in, not just
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the country. I've lived in the country all my life,
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02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:47.039
but I've never I've lived out so far. And I
2372
02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:51.520
did not see either of those two creatures, Bigfoot nor
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02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:53.960
dog Man. I saw other things, but I did not
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02:00:54.199 --> 02:00:58.319
see them. I think there's something you know, that they
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02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:02.039
do choose who reveal themselves to. I think the same
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02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:04.880
with every type of fay or spirits or anything like that.
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There's a more there's it's that same type of sentience.
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I'm not saying that this is different than that, but
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I do think that there's a better chance this is
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a literal. I mean they are too. They're literally living, eating,
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02:01:18.720 --> 02:01:22.520
habited creatures. But these creatures are some reported to be
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02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:26.399
what they believe to be. If you took a large
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oak tree and just laid it on the ground and
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02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:33.039
the head couldnt fit through the normal doorway, and then
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02:01:33.079 --> 02:01:35.239
the ability to dislocate the jaw and open it to
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02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:38.279
be even wider to take in a cow out of
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02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:42.239
a herd has been accounted for. And that they can
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rear up like a cobra, and that they can speak,
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though nobody ever hears them speak, but there's they believe
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they can talk, and that, and there's just it's just incredible.
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And I just I think that it'd be worthwhile to
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really search for it. And I think think not search
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02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:05.199
for it, but maybe too. I expected to. I would
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02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:09.399
expect it to take a decade of before and I
2395
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:11.119
don't even know if you would ever see it, but
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I think that it would be I wouldn't expect to
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02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:15.880
see it anytime soon, and I also I don't know.
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02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.439
I would think it would be a long term. And
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I think that they have I think that the governments
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have seen and have witnessed this and they suppress it
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because of the implications of what this means.
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Yeah, the wild part about that. I was watching a
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02:02:32.479 --> 02:02:35.079
thing earlier today on it was Discovery or something. I
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02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:36.760
just said, I just have it on for noise as
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02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:38.920
I'm doing work around the house or whatever. But they
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02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:43.079
had tagged this, this anteconta somewhere in the Florida or
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02:02:43.119 --> 02:02:46.039
whatever or what's down on the pythons, and they tagged
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02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:48.119
it and released it back in the wild, and they
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02:02:48.159 --> 02:02:50.520
were tracking it. That's sort of the radio beacon or whatever.
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02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:52.000
And they're on this boat and they roll up and
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02:02:52.000 --> 02:02:54.279
they're like, it's right down there underneath us, right, and
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02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:56.520
they're like, okay, so they're trying to recatch this thing.
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02:02:57.159 --> 02:02:59.920
It's huge, and they're like all right, uh so here's
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02:03:00.039 --> 02:03:02.199
how we're going to do it. And then it just knows.
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02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:04.399
It's it's like, oh, it's moving, it's moving, it's moving away.
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02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:06.479
So it's like like this is the type of thing
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02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:09.520
like underwater in that space or under sort of the
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02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:13.880
dense jungle cover. Yeah, that there, they know you're there.
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02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:16.960
And so that's the terrifying part. As we were saying earlier,
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you know, like it's it's likely that a mountain lion
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02:03:20.039 --> 02:03:22.960
has seen you, but you haven't seen any mountain lions
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02:03:23.039 --> 02:03:26.720
or very few of them. Yeah, this is exactly good.
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02:03:27.079 --> 02:03:29.159
Yes, with the surface, like you're saying that they can
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02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:33.560
detect like a mouse, that they can hear its footsteps,
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02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:36.760
and they can detect its body warmth from like around
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02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:40.239
corners and things like that. I mean, so you're looking
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02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:43.399
at something completely different with this type of species. But
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02:03:46.239 --> 02:03:48.960
it's I just think it's really important to emphasize because
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02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.239
many times people have you know, they insist that what
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02:03:51.399 --> 02:03:55.479
they the people who are accounting this, and give offerings
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02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:58.439
of their livestock and things on that intentionally so they
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02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:00.640
won't take parts of their other life i stock, or
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02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:03.720
they won't take people the people who've been doing that
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02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:08.159
for hundreds of years that account for this creature, that
2435
02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:10.600
believe it was there, and there have been in the
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02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:15.079
US military accounts of this, and you know, just accounts
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02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:20.279
from very I believe, reputable accounts. And this is not
2438
02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:25.760
a big snake. This is something significantly different. It is
2439
02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:31.800
something so incredible that it's not even it's hard to believe,
2440
02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:35.920
but they believe it. And these are just normal people,
2441
02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:39.520
normal people in these villages that don't just believe.
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02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:39.960
They know.
2443
02:04:41.439 --> 02:04:45.359
That it's there, you know, and it's suppressed in a way,
2444
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:48.920
and it's not talked about. And this is not just
2445
02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:51.439
a big snake. This is something that can take a
2446
02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:55.880
whole cow. They can come up like a cobra and
2447
02:04:56.079 --> 02:05:01.720
stand thirteen to fifteen feet and still have and they're enormous,
2448
02:05:01.960 --> 02:05:05.479
and they're under the ground and the groundwater and those
2449
02:05:05.560 --> 02:05:07.880
cavern systems and things like that that people don't know
2450
02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:10.800
about in South America, and those jungles they live in there,
2451
02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:14.880
and those temples they built, they were to them in
2452
02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:17.840
a way, and there's something there's something, there's something to
2453
02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:21.319
that that they would come up underneath. And you see
2454
02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:24.680
the same thing in the Egyptian pyramids, and I think
2455
02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:26.720
that there's just something incredibly interesting about that.
2456
02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:29.560
Yeah, it's actually what I think. Yeah, it's like a
2457
02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:31.680
quest to find the gods themselves. And we're talking you know,
2458
02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:34.680
possibly google con or Ketzocuada or whatever.
2459
02:05:35.079 --> 02:05:35.279
Yeah.
2460
02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:39.079
But the wild part is that that type of thing
2461
02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:42.000
just recently happened. I don't know, we talked about it,
2462
02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:44.720
you know once and probably the last month or so,
2463
02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:47.640
but some woman wandered out into a jungle somewhere I
2464
02:05:47.640 --> 02:05:49.880
don't know exactly where it was, and she was eaten
2465
02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:53.720
by a big snake, literally a big snake. They they
2466
02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:56.279
found it, they found her missing. They were like, what
2467
02:05:56.359 --> 02:05:57.880
the hell? So they all searched and they found this
2468
02:05:58.079 --> 02:06:01.960
massive snake that was engorged with something, and they killed
2469
02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.119
the snake and cut it open and found the woman inside.
2470
02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:08.680
Like that's the terrifying stuff that imagine without a modern world,
2471
02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:10.640
in modern cities and all the rest of that stuff
2472
02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:13.279
sort of encroaching on those spaces, what that would look
2473
02:06:13.399 --> 02:06:17.680
like in a primordial jungle, Dear God, Like, I mean.
2474
02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:21.319
For me, that's a monster, you know, that's a real
2475
02:06:21.920 --> 02:06:25.760
the size, yes, Like, okay, that's a It took a
2476
02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:30.880
grown moment. These things were described as being I mean,
2477
02:06:31.159 --> 02:06:35.199
it sounds like they're exaggerating it, does you know, Like
2478
02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:39.680
that they say that it's seventy five foot long, you know,
2479
02:06:39.960 --> 02:06:42.399
and so and so forth. It sounds like they're exaggerating
2480
02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:46.039
or that they were just their heads were as wide
2481
02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:51.920
as a door. You know, these types of it seems impossible,
2482
02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:55.520
you know, and that goes it just and that they
2483
02:06:55.600 --> 02:07:00.720
have this intelligence that is a type of like I'm
2484
02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:02.880
just saying I could just go on and on about
2485
02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:05.840
how like an awe I am about the concept. But
2486
02:07:05.960 --> 02:07:08.800
I do think that that would be a worthwhile cryptid
2487
02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:12.359
to try to find. I think that any of these
2488
02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:15.000
are a death wish to go looking for, whether it's
2489
02:07:15.079 --> 02:07:17.800
bigfoot or because I have a completely different concept of
2490
02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:21.960
bigfoot and dogman the same thing. The only thing is
2491
02:07:22.039 --> 02:07:24.279
that I wouldn't You could go. You could be sitting
2492
02:07:24.319 --> 02:07:26.359
in your front yard and looking at a ball field
2493
02:07:27.159 --> 02:07:30.159
like a kid's like you know, football field ors some
2494
02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:32.359
like that, and see one there. People reported them so
2495
02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:35.760
many places, but there are these locations you couldn't go
2496
02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:37.880
look for a moth man. You know, you couldn't. There's
2497
02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:40.479
some things you just couldn't go looking for. The idea,
2498
02:07:40.600 --> 02:07:45.079
for example, that we're summons, well, that's interesting in the
2499
02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.720
I mean many there have been accounts of the same
2500
02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:53.880
thing with this type of cryptid here, that these priests
2501
02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:56.319
and stuff would summon them, but it had to be
2502
02:07:56.319 --> 02:07:59.359
at certain times and things like that with the temples.
2503
02:08:00.039 --> 02:08:03.720
But I just really think, I don't know, I just
2504
02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:06.680
think that that would be really incredible, for it was
2505
02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:10.920
instant when you said that, and the idea that somebody
2506
02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:14.479
might fund such a thing. And I'm surprised that. You know,
2507
02:08:14.520 --> 02:08:17.680
when people take these when you see these documentaries, they
2508
02:08:17.760 --> 02:08:20.640
literally just it's one episode and they take a trip there,
2509
02:08:20.640 --> 02:08:23.319
and that's really cool. But it would take and they
2510
02:08:23.479 --> 02:08:27.800
have definitely done this. Like I have no doubt that
2511
02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:32.000
this has already been sussed out and that these this
2512
02:08:32.239 --> 02:08:34.039
never been confirmed one way or the other. But there
2513
02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:38.840
are accounts of not just dog Man and all these
2514
02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:41.800
I think these creatures are real, and I think that
2515
02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:44.399
this creature is no less real. I think it's and
2516
02:08:44.560 --> 02:08:47.880
for me, it would be the epitome. And I don't
2517
02:08:47.880 --> 02:08:50.760
think you would ever reveal anything, or be allowed to
2518
02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:53.920
reveal anything until a certain amount of time of disclosure
2519
02:08:54.279 --> 02:08:57.560
or your deathbed where it doesn't matter anymore, and then
2520
02:08:57.600 --> 02:08:59.800
nobody would believe you. They usually don't.
2521
02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:02.960
They might the process and make your deathbed come early.
2522
02:09:03.399 --> 02:09:04.399
That's part exactly.
2523
02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.640
I don't know why the implications are so severe for
2524
02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:09.960
people knowing about this. I just think it makes things
2525
02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.920
so complicated they don't want to revealed, which I know
2526
02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:15.880
it doesn't make any sense. But if it can speak,
2527
02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:18.880
if it hasn't a type of intelligence to it, that
2528
02:09:19.119 --> 02:09:26.279
is not just normal high intelligence, or if it can
2529
02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:29.800
speak I don't know, I don't I just in any
2530
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:32.640
tongue or things like that, or if it created languages,
2531
02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:37.760
solf these concepts that mankind got this information from other
2532
02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:42.439
types of entities that were true, and people many things
2533
02:09:42.479 --> 02:09:46.159
I've heard, believe that it is a legitimate true story,
2534
02:09:46.920 --> 02:09:49.840
that these are legitimate accounts, that these that even the
2535
02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:52.119
angel that was guarding the Tree of Life, that this
2536
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:55.680
is what it looked like, and that it later once
2537
02:09:55.760 --> 02:09:59.439
it was it lost its job essentially in some of
2538
02:09:59.520 --> 02:10:01.359
the stuff. I mean, that's a really weird way to
2539
02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:01.600
put it.
2540
02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:02.159
You're fired.
2541
02:10:02.199 --> 02:10:05.840
But the angel that was guarding the tree, it was
2542
02:10:06.920 --> 02:10:09.439
it was sent out across the Earth to the other
2543
02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:11.960
side of the planet, you know, across the Earth. It
2544
02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:16.319
was you know, demoted and and there are these stories
2545
02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:20.199
like this as if it's it literally happened in some way,
2546
02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:25.319
somehow it actually happened, and could they could be existing
2547
02:10:25.880 --> 02:10:28.399
out there. But yeah, great show, Mike, and thank you
2548
02:10:28.880 --> 02:10:30.920
for covering it. And I think it'd be incredible to
2549
02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:34.119
find such a thing if you survived it. I guess
2550
02:10:34.600 --> 02:10:35.920
they were so gracious.
2551
02:10:36.359 --> 02:10:39.560
Appreciate the you're the best Jendle, Missouri, the Urricane Observer.
2552
02:10:39.680 --> 02:10:42.079
Go check out your channel. Please links to the description
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down below. Troubleminds dot Orgford slash friends. This has followed
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02:10:44.920 --> 02:10:47.119
Jen here, if you're right back. More Trouble Minds coming up.
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02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:50.079
We're talking monsters. What do you know about It's more
2556
02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:52.159
on the way. We got more from James and a
2557
02:10:52.279 --> 02:10:55.039
mystery caller on the line. Don't go anywhere. More trouble
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02:10:55.079 --> 02:11:16.079
Mind's coming up. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host,
2559
02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:18.560
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, brock Finn, Rumble, Twitter
2560
02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:21.279
and Twitch. We are broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds
2561
02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:25.079
Radio network. That's KAP Digital Broadcasting possibly maybe eighty eight
2562
02:11:25.119 --> 02:11:27.840
point four FM and Auckland, New Zealand. And we're definitely
2563
02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:31.359
on Twitter x spaces. Looking to hear your thoughts. We're
2564
02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:32.520
talking hunting monsters.
2565
02:11:32.560 --> 02:11:32.680
Now.
2566
02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:35.199
Look this goes back to the primordial days of old.
2567
02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:38.880
We're talking Gilgamesh. We're talking the beginning of the written
2568
02:11:38.920 --> 02:11:41.279
word type of stuff, and they were hunting monsters then.
2569
02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:43.920
And of course it's it's important to note that you
2570
02:11:44.000 --> 02:11:48.199
know it is the monster itself, whatever that defines to
2571
02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:52.520
you Oops, sorry, is also wrong button? See what I
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02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:56.079
did there? Too many buttons. Usually usually a radio guy
2573
02:11:56.119 --> 02:11:58.560
has a board guy doing all this stuff anyway, But
2574
02:11:58.880 --> 02:12:02.720
basically the mont st itself definition wise, would be a
2575
02:12:04.279 --> 02:12:07.800
adjustaposition of nature itself, and so it's man conquering nature
2576
02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:10.479
in some my mother nature, you know, primordial nature spirits
2577
02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:12.479
as I called him, and in this case very much
2578
02:12:12.520 --> 02:12:14.319
what Jen was saying. We're talking you know, cul coo
2579
02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:17.560
colon or ketso couadal in that space of maybe finding
2580
02:12:17.840 --> 02:12:22.520
a primordial true entity down there in a jungle so
2581
02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:26.359
dense and so deep that maybe entities can live thousands
2582
02:12:26.399 --> 02:12:31.000
and thousands of years as beyond what's what's higher than
2583
02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:34.319
an apex predator something like that? Right, that's smart enough
2584
02:12:34.359 --> 02:12:40.079
to remain unnoticed in a technological world and still do
2585
02:12:40.239 --> 02:12:43.159
its thing. I don't know, weird, right or maybe not?
2586
02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:45.439
Love to hear your thoughts. We're talking to hunting monsters.
2587
02:12:45.840 --> 02:12:48.199
If you had a budget and a team, where would
2588
02:12:48.239 --> 02:12:50.199
you go first and what would you expect to find?
2589
02:12:50.319 --> 02:12:53.159
And that's what's on my mind tonight. Anything that James before.
2590
02:12:52.960 --> 02:12:56.520
We go to the call here, just you know, after
2591
02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:01.319
reconsidering everything, just for the sake of religis and and
2592
02:13:01.479 --> 02:13:04.399
getting around and safety and everything. I think I would
2593
02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:09.439
change my choice back to uh an old haunted building,
2594
02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:12.880
you know, or maybe even a new haunted building, something
2595
02:13:12.920 --> 02:13:16.880
with you know, level floors and and uh elevators and
2596
02:13:17.199 --> 02:13:17.359
you know.
2597
02:13:18.199 --> 02:13:21.279
So but anyway, some read you wouldn't trip on a
2598
02:13:21.359 --> 02:13:23.640
on a jungle route into the into the swamp to
2599
02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:25.319
be eaten by con.
2600
02:13:25.680 --> 02:13:29.920
Yeah, so something about you know, costantly changing elevations of
2601
02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:34.159
the ground and bumps and holes and yeah, and other
2602
02:13:34.279 --> 02:13:37.560
creatures that want to regular known beings that want to
2603
02:13:38.479 --> 02:13:40.880
kill you as well or can kill you. I think
2604
02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:42.800
I'd rather avoid all that. So that was all.
2605
02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:45.720
Yeah, amen to that. By the way, Kelly Kelly has
2606
02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:47.880
run out the highest imaginary budget. By the way, he
2607
02:13:47.920 --> 02:13:49.760
had a huge list of monsters he wanted to find.
2608
02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:53.800
So Kelly Kelly takes the Taco tonight for the biggest
2609
02:13:54.319 --> 02:13:57.560
imaginary monster budget because he had a Yeah, there's a
2610
02:13:57.600 --> 02:13:58.920
lot of them, right, There's a lot of them that
2611
02:13:58.920 --> 02:14:00.920
would be fascinating to act. They kind of delve into
2612
02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:04.000
but alas many of us have to work and don't
2613
02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:06.359
have big budgets and all the rest of that, which
2614
02:14:06.439 --> 02:14:10.119
is again fascinating how even that information is bottlenecked by big,
2615
02:14:10.479 --> 02:14:13.279
big money, big player interests like Robert Bigelow and you know,
2616
02:14:13.479 --> 02:14:16.840
Brandon fugl anyway seven two nine five seven one zero
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We're talking to hunt for Legends, modern and historical monster
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monster hunting. What do you know about it? Let's go
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to a pretty sure I know who you are. What's
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your first gamory? Calling from my friend?
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Hey, what's going on? As Joseph?
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I thought, so Joseph and the Bronx. What's up?
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My man?
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Sir?
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Go right ahead, I'm going fire man.
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02:14:38.600 --> 02:14:40.119
I'm just you know, I'm trying to join in on
2629
02:14:40.319 --> 02:14:45.720
convo right hunting monsters. But the thing is like, if
2630
02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:49.439
I had money and I had a team that I
2631
02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:51.319
could go with, where would I want to go to
2632
02:14:51.399 --> 02:14:54.479
hunt monsters and stuff like that mythical beef.
2633
02:14:55.880 --> 02:14:59.439
That's up all right, exactly right? So where So the
2634
02:14:59.560 --> 02:15:01.399
question is tonight, where would you go? First?
2635
02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:02.279
Uh?
2636
02:15:02.439 --> 02:15:06.079
For for one, for obvious reasons, expecting to find something,
2637
02:15:06.680 --> 02:15:08.479
But then if it's the same we all we all
2638
02:15:08.520 --> 02:15:11.520
said Bigfoot basically. But if it's if it's something other
2639
02:15:11.640 --> 02:15:14.039
than that, what would be your second choice if Bigfoot
2640
02:15:14.159 --> 02:15:14.840
was your first.
2641
02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:24.399
Mythical beasts? I mean, well, I like what the lady
2642
02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:26.680
was talking about, like the noagls and stuff like that,
2643
02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:28.560
like the giant serpents and stuff like that.
2644
02:15:31.720 --> 02:15:33.840
Yeah, I like the idea. I don't like the idea
2645
02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:35.720
of like, you know, stipping your foot in the wrong
2646
02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:36.920
puddle down there, that's.
2647
02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:43.680
What I don't like, Yeah, pretty much. But I mean
2648
02:15:44.439 --> 02:15:50.319
the thing with the nags and stuff like that. Basically, uh,
2649
02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:58.079
mythical beasts. M I think a large portion of a
2650
02:15:58.159 --> 02:16:03.000
lot of mythical beasts was this, but they don't show
2651
02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:07.560
themselves to people with low vibrations, and some do because
2652
02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:09.199
just like a certain thing like you know how the
2653
02:16:09.279 --> 02:16:14.399
lady was talking about, Like basically, uh, there's certain people
2654
02:16:14.479 --> 02:16:16.880
that say that they conjure them up and everything like that,
2655
02:16:18.680 --> 02:16:21.039
and people communicate with them and to get the knowledge
2656
02:16:21.079 --> 02:16:24.239
and all. This is just like there's like a middle
2657
02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:26.399
ground in the high ground and a low ground with
2658
02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:30.960
these things. And that's to me. It's similar to I
2659
02:16:31.000 --> 02:16:35.319
would say a mythical creature would be an extraterrestrial, right,
2660
02:16:35.520 --> 02:16:39.360
either could is that in the mystical creature realm No.
2661
02:16:39.520 --> 02:16:43.000
I think so. I think so because because at some point,
2662
02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:46.159
like an ancient monster kind of becomes a demi god
2663
02:16:46.280 --> 02:16:49.040
or a god or in that particular sense of something.
2664
02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:53.920
I think I would I would. I wouldn't excavate, I
2665
02:16:53.959 --> 02:17:01.840
would estivate a team who find these magical So, like
2666
02:17:01.959 --> 02:17:03.920
she was saying, like the lady was saying, like, you know,
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02:17:04.040 --> 02:17:06.360
central and stuff, and I wouldn't go there, but I'll
2668
02:17:06.399 --> 02:17:11.360
probably make a global and so you could even calculate,
2669
02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:17.440
like you could even get biblical. So it's like the Rothchild,
2670
02:17:17.520 --> 02:17:20.639
Like there's like people in the Rothschild that and stuff
2671
02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:22.399
like that that they say that they were they have
2672
02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:25.399
perfect cults and things of that nature. And that's what
2673
02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:29.120
she was really speaking to when she was talking. And
2674
02:17:29.719 --> 02:17:36.680
basically it's like it's like Luciferian doctrine or whatever. So
2675
02:17:38.159 --> 02:17:40.959
when you're dealing with so my knowledge, when you're dealing
2676
02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:44.040
with stuff like that, it's like like it's like masonry.
2677
02:17:44.280 --> 02:17:47.239
You start as an a death and you rise up
2678
02:17:47.440 --> 02:17:50.920
in degrees and you get more and more knowledge. But
2679
02:17:51.159 --> 02:17:53.479
the average person just hearing about it and just dealing
2680
02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:55.319
with witchcraft and stuff. You're never gonna know what it's
2681
02:17:55.360 --> 02:17:59.959
really about, right, But Luciferian doctrine was really just made
2682
02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:03.559
by people in power that were ignorant, and it was
2683
02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:06.440
used by people behind them the scenes, like the Macabelians
2684
02:18:06.479 --> 02:18:10.159
and stuff like that to keep on ushering people in
2685
02:18:10.280 --> 02:18:15.159
a certain timeline and times rain. But I would do
2686
02:18:15.360 --> 02:18:17.799
like the actually terrestrial thing because that coexists with the
2687
02:18:17.920 --> 02:18:24.040
certain stuff because literally, uh like the Nago people to
2688
02:18:24.079 --> 02:18:27.639
go to India, the temples that looked like they were
2689
02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:30.680
designed with laser technology and stuff like it couldn't have
2690
02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:35.319
been carved, and the stones some stones and Egypt and
2691
02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:39.760
stuff like that, and statues have kings wore crowns with
2692
02:18:40.159 --> 02:18:43.799
certain covers on them and stuff like that. So I
2693
02:18:43.879 --> 02:18:47.000
think we've been dealing with two sides of things where
2694
02:18:47.639 --> 02:18:49.520
it's like now they say we live in a natrix
2695
02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:53.280
some people some people have experiences that are just figments
2696
02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:59.959
of their imaginations, like optical illusions and basically like hallucer nation,
2697
02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.440
and then some people actually have true experiences.
2698
02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:08.479
Yeah, so sort of like the true site or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
2699
02:19:08.559 --> 02:19:11.239
that makes some sense. So as part of that just
2700
02:19:11.360 --> 02:19:13.639
missed My thought is that I wonder if there's sort
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02:19:13.680 --> 02:19:16.520
of an aspect of a true site that's distorted in
2702
02:19:16.600 --> 02:19:19.239
some cases where people catch a glimpse but kind of
2703
02:19:19.319 --> 02:19:22.120
can't really recognize what they're seeing, and so it comes
2704
02:19:22.200 --> 02:19:24.719
off it comes off literally like schizophrenic or something.
2705
02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:32.719
You know. Yeah, I think that's true, very true. I
2706
02:19:32.799 --> 02:19:36.319
think that's very, very true. But I've seen some stuff before.
2707
02:19:36.479 --> 02:19:39.159
Like I've seen like one day I was just sitting
2708
02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:42.120
in the window and I was living in Brooklyn at
2709
02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:46.319
the time, and like the bell was lifted. I saw
2710
02:19:47.399 --> 02:19:50.079
a couple of things. There's like three things that the
2711
02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:54.319
bell was lifted for me. One was one day I'm
2712
02:19:54.360 --> 02:19:56.760
sitting in the this is where I'm working out, I'm
2713
02:19:56.840 --> 02:20:01.040
meditating in the sun, and things like that. Birds are
2714
02:20:01.079 --> 02:20:05.000
coming to my window sill, and bees are coming this side.
2715
02:20:05.040 --> 02:20:05.159
You know.
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02:20:05.239 --> 02:20:07.440
It's just like you know, certain little signs or whatever.
2717
02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:11.479
Then it escalated. One day, I'm sitting in the window
2718
02:20:12.079 --> 02:20:14.639
and I'm looking across the street. There's this building that
2719
02:20:14.799 --> 02:20:17.559
was being built at the time, and it was like,
2720
02:20:17.639 --> 02:20:19.399
I think this is when it first got done or
2721
02:20:19.399 --> 02:20:21.920
it was almost done. I'm looking out the window and
2722
02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:23.360
then all of a sudden, I see a whole bunch
2723
02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:30.799
of golden or like small little orbs, like they looked
2724
02:20:30.840 --> 02:20:34.280
like ferries or something. If you see like how I
2725
02:20:34.360 --> 02:20:37.159
look at the movies. It was literally in the daytime.
2726
02:20:37.200 --> 02:20:40.879
It wasn't that night though, and I'm looking at the
2727
02:20:41.000 --> 02:20:43.319
top of the building. You could see the top of
2728
02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:47.239
the building from where I'm looking at in my building,
2729
02:20:48.360 --> 02:20:52.280
and it's literally across the street, and little golden orbs
2730
02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:55.040
started lighting up, and I'm looking at it, and I'm like,
2731
02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:58.520
I did somebody just feel golden confetti down? It didn't
2732
02:20:58.600 --> 02:21:01.559
fall down at all. It would it would have stayed
2733
02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:04.840
glimmering while it was falling down. It just stayed. And
2734
02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:07.440
it started on one side of the building. Then it
2735
02:21:07.520 --> 02:21:10.200
went to the other side, and they would let golden
2736
02:21:10.399 --> 02:21:14.000
orbs just gleaming and flashing and stuff like that. And
2737
02:21:14.079 --> 02:21:16.040
I'm like, did I just see berries or something?
2738
02:21:17.399 --> 02:21:17.559
You know?
2739
02:21:17.680 --> 02:21:20.879
And that's when I started getting into what the word
2740
02:21:20.959 --> 02:21:23.760
sprites mean and all of that stuff. I started trying
2741
02:21:23.760 --> 02:21:25.760
to research that type of stuff, and I saw that
2742
02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:33.280
people do deal with that. The second thing was the UFO.
2743
02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:37.959
When I was a kid, I lived in Detroit and
2744
02:21:38.120 --> 02:21:40.040
I used to go to the bus stop in the
2745
02:21:40.120 --> 02:21:42.760
morning to catch the bus, so it'd be five six
2746
02:21:42.760 --> 02:21:45.600
o'clock in the morning, where the sun wouldn't be up yet,
2747
02:21:45.920 --> 02:21:48.440
waiting on the bus. Because of school, I was working
2748
02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:53.079
around the middle school at thirteen fourteen, and it was
2749
02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:55.719
these orbs in the sky. I know what they are now,
2750
02:21:55.879 --> 02:21:58.079
but what I saw after that it would be like
2751
02:21:58.200 --> 02:22:00.479
these orbs in the sky and perfect symmetry in line,
2752
02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:04.360
and they would be moving slow from when I first
2753
02:22:04.479 --> 02:22:07.239
got there. Sometimes in the morning they would be in
2754
02:22:07.319 --> 02:22:09.200
a certain position, and then by the time the bus camp,
2755
02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:11.639
they were already like across the street, all of them.
2756
02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:14.559
It looked like a giant mothership or something. Right. But
2757
02:22:15.760 --> 02:22:18.440
one day I'm like, I'm asking my friend. I'm like, yeah,
2758
02:22:19.000 --> 02:22:21.120
those are aliens or something. They keep coming and they
2759
02:22:21.639 --> 02:22:25.280
flashing different colored lights and changing colors, and they're just
2760
02:22:25.639 --> 02:22:28.879
in the sky like levitating. Right, this is when I
2761
02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:31.239
was a kid. I know what those are. Those are
2762
02:22:31.319 --> 02:22:35.799
just drones by the government. One day, when I'm standing
2763
02:22:35.799 --> 02:22:40.239
there talking to my friend, I'm like, bro, those is
2764
02:22:40.319 --> 02:22:43.680
aliens and stuff like that. But I'm talking about the drones.
2765
02:22:44.079 --> 02:22:46.360
When I said, He's like, man, he's crazy. There, ain't know.
2766
02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:52.000
The alien space crab, a flying saucer appeared in the
2767
02:22:52.040 --> 02:22:54.879
sky and they had lights on the just like the
2768
02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:57.319
common things you see in the movies are lights going
2769
02:22:57.760 --> 02:23:00.360
around it and it's shaped like a disc. And it
2770
02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:02.879
started flashing, the lights going around and around, and he
2771
02:23:02.959 --> 02:23:06.399
saw it too. After that, when I left betrayed, he
2772
02:23:06.479 --> 02:23:08.799
wounded up getting into some problems and he turned into
2773
02:23:08.840 --> 02:23:11.280
a super Christian. And this is a guy that was
2774
02:23:11.319 --> 02:23:14.399
heavy in the street. But when I was in Brooklyn,
2775
02:23:14.719 --> 02:23:17.920
I'm sitting in my window again and I saw literally
2776
02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:21.120
an invisible spacecraft. How could I see it? Even though
2777
02:23:21.159 --> 02:23:24.840
it was invisible. It was shaped like a I've never seen,
2778
02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:28.959
like a croissant, but it was like like the letter
2779
02:23:29.239 --> 02:23:32.360
E in Latin, or the letter C with a cross
2780
02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:32.840
in the middle.
2781
02:23:34.840 --> 02:23:35.959
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
2782
02:23:36.040 --> 02:23:40.000
Yep, Hello, yeah, here, Yeah, like that shape, like almost
2783
02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:44.239
a crescent shape, like one of those you know, we
2784
02:23:44.360 --> 02:23:47.040
have those shapes, but that would be like the triangular
2785
02:23:47.079 --> 02:23:50.360
shape in the military. I saw that, but I couldn't
2786
02:23:50.399 --> 02:23:50.639
see it.
2787
02:23:50.799 --> 02:23:51.159
I saw.
2788
02:23:51.760 --> 02:23:54.879
I literally saw the So this is what happened. And
2789
02:23:55.000 --> 02:23:57.399
I'm going through things and the one day I couldn't
2790
02:23:57.440 --> 02:23:59.440
sleep and I'm looking at this star in the sky
2791
02:23:59.559 --> 02:24:02.200
and it's just there. I'm like, there's no way that
2792
02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:05.879
that's that's a star. So I'm talking to myself and
2793
02:24:05.959 --> 02:24:11.719
I'm like, if you're a if you're really like whatever, right,
2794
02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:14.840
if you're really you know, doing whatever, show yourself to
2795
02:24:14.879 --> 02:24:17.120
me in the daytime, And it flew and it was
2796
02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:20.319
white and then it went invisible. But the second after that,
2797
02:24:20.600 --> 02:24:23.319
there was a bigger one and it came and I
2798
02:24:23.440 --> 02:24:26.200
saw the shadow of it go up against a cloud.
2799
02:24:26.719 --> 02:24:29.000
It was invisible, and I saw it like if you
2800
02:24:29.079 --> 02:24:31.920
ever saw the silhouette of something that's invisible, it's like
2801
02:24:32.479 --> 02:24:35.000
heat coming from the ground, like when he is penetrating
2802
02:24:35.200 --> 02:24:37.559
the sunlight is penetrating off the ground. That's how it
2803
02:24:37.639 --> 02:24:40.200
looks when it's invisible and a certain light is hitting it.
2804
02:24:41.040 --> 02:24:44.239
And it was flying over the crowd the clouds slowly,
2805
02:24:44.280 --> 02:24:46.360
and I was going through something at the time, so
2806
02:24:46.440 --> 02:24:48.319
I for hear it just SATs through and let me know,
2807
02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:51.360
like I was all right. But I saw the shadow
2808
02:24:51.440 --> 02:24:56.200
of it at under a cloud, and that's how I
2809
02:24:56.239 --> 02:24:59.479
knew the shape of it. The second. The third thing
2810
02:24:59.719 --> 02:25:02.200
was me sitting in the window one day I couldn't
2811
02:25:02.200 --> 02:25:07.079
sleep again, and this time it was like five in
2812
02:25:07.200 --> 02:25:10.000
the morning or six siout and the sun was just rising.
2813
02:25:10.159 --> 02:25:14.319
I stooped my head outside the window, and for the
2814
02:25:14.399 --> 02:25:19.000
life of me, I saw something like as if everything
2815
02:25:19.079 --> 02:25:25.280
that I was seeing was literally like a like how
2816
02:25:25.360 --> 02:25:28.920
do I explain it? Like I could see atoms or
2817
02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:32.319
something like the the air was like a film of
2818
02:25:32.760 --> 02:25:35.879
multiple different particles or something like. It was like as
2819
02:25:35.959 --> 02:25:40.079
if the fog was the was reality and that's how
2820
02:25:40.159 --> 02:25:42.559
it looked for something like I feel like I was
2821
02:25:42.639 --> 02:25:46.399
looking at of looking at reality itself or something like
2822
02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:50.920
that similar. So the bell has been lifted as far
2823
02:25:51.000 --> 02:25:55.239
as for me to see those type of things a
2824
02:25:55.319 --> 02:25:58.319
couple of times, so I know they exist. I would
2825
02:25:58.520 --> 02:26:03.399
rather find extra resturers. What I think is going back
2826
02:26:03.440 --> 02:26:07.840
to biblical times when you talk about the children of
2827
02:26:08.079 --> 02:26:11.159
Israel and stuff, I think they're considered extra to restriers.
2828
02:26:11.920 --> 02:26:16.559
And this whole game of you know, playing around with
2829
02:26:16.719 --> 02:26:20.319
DNA is about that the people that don't know that
2830
02:26:20.440 --> 02:26:22.239
have a lot of money, they just think it's a
2831
02:26:22.319 --> 02:26:24.719
certain group of people, like like the lady like how
2832
02:26:24.760 --> 02:26:26.280
she was talking to was like, oh, hey, let's call
2833
02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:29.559
to Central America because they worship the sether serpent, and
2834
02:26:30.840 --> 02:26:33.559
you know that might be the people that they come
2835
02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:37.040
back and get and kill all of us and something
2836
02:26:37.159 --> 02:26:39.879
like that. But no, I don't believe that. I just
2837
02:26:40.000 --> 02:26:46.799
believe the technology that we have now is used by
2838
02:26:47.200 --> 02:26:51.920
by people that are more susceptible to demons, and it
2839
02:26:52.040 --> 02:26:56.159
controls their perception, and so the demons can emulate and
2840
02:26:56.319 --> 02:27:00.200
imitate elohem angels and stuff like that the actual and
2841
02:27:00.440 --> 02:27:03.600
just show themselves to certain people. So certain people have
2842
02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:08.040
the same accounts, but it would be so different things happening,
2843
02:27:08.239 --> 02:27:11.360
Like they would have the same accounts, but it would
2844
02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:14.520
be different experiences. Like you wouldn't be able to tell
2845
02:27:14.559 --> 02:27:16.920
this to a part because all they do is mirror
2846
02:27:17.399 --> 02:27:21.399
as above. So below, Yeah, Michael cosm mich Cos.
2847
02:27:22.479 --> 02:27:24.760
Yeah. And so the thing too things do with that
2848
02:27:25.239 --> 02:27:27.319
for for me is just an idea as part of
2849
02:27:27.520 --> 02:27:31.280
the larger context here is that those entities, whatever they are,
2850
02:27:31.399 --> 02:27:33.399
again you define it however you like. There's a lot
2851
02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:36.319
of people that have experienced these sorts of things that
2852
02:27:36.399 --> 02:27:38.319
I think they could manipulate this too and make us
2853
02:27:38.319 --> 02:27:40.799
see what they want us to see. And so let's say,
2854
02:27:40.920 --> 02:27:44.840
let's say was a just just theoretically like an alien tech,
2855
02:27:45.920 --> 02:27:48.159
they wouldn't have to show themselves to us at all.
2856
02:27:48.239 --> 02:27:51.239
They could, they could actually you know, manifest as Google
2857
02:27:51.319 --> 02:27:53.639
con or ketch a couada or whatever in our minds,
2858
02:27:54.040 --> 02:27:55.920
and we wouldn't know the difference. We would be freaked
2859
02:27:55.959 --> 02:27:58.319
out and whatever. So I mean that type of stuff,
2860
02:27:58.719 --> 02:28:02.200
if you're going cosmic on this or even biblical, as
2861
02:28:02.280 --> 02:28:04.719
you say, this is the type of stuff that our
2862
02:28:04.840 --> 02:28:07.879
minds are surely antennas in a lot of ways. But
2863
02:28:08.000 --> 02:28:11.639
also we are easily fooled as humans, and so part
2864
02:28:11.680 --> 02:28:14.280
of that meat suit experience is being fooled.
2865
02:28:14.440 --> 02:28:19.479
And so you know, you know, go ahead, you know,
2866
02:28:19.600 --> 02:28:23.959
Cucko Kan is literally was Qusu Quado was a person.
2867
02:28:26.280 --> 02:28:29.719
Cucu Kan was the feather serpent. So there was this
2868
02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:32.879
is the time that she's talking about what you even
2869
02:28:32.920 --> 02:28:35.600
said earlier, where there were gods on the earth and
2870
02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:38.680
every and in the Egyptian painous where you see people
2871
02:28:38.760 --> 02:28:44.479
having green skin and giant sold and humans and stuff
2872
02:28:44.559 --> 02:28:49.239
that that looked really small and stuff like that. That
2873
02:28:49.559 --> 02:28:53.079
was when he was called Coco Kan the feather Courtalquado
2874
02:28:53.719 --> 02:28:59.639
is the reincarnation of that person. And then he his
2875
02:29:00.000 --> 02:29:03.159
others and stuff like that betrayed him. His tried betrayed him.
2876
02:29:03.200 --> 02:29:06.040
He said that they wasn't keeping the Sabbath, they wouldn't
2877
02:29:06.120 --> 02:29:09.360
keeping the order, the same rituals that they used to
2878
02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:11.040
be doing, and they try to give him drunk and
2879
02:29:11.120 --> 02:29:13.479
betray him, and he left them, and he said when
2880
02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:15.120
he comes back, he's going to come back as a
2881
02:29:15.159 --> 02:29:19.559
white man. And that's when the concusta doors came back
2882
02:29:19.760 --> 02:29:23.760
and the coverd the ASA. So you don't know you're
2883
02:29:23.799 --> 02:29:26.440
talking about shape shifts and when you're saying that that's
2884
02:29:26.440 --> 02:29:29.319
what that's like the difference. That's why the serpent cults
2885
02:29:29.719 --> 02:29:31.799
and stuff like that, they talk about these things in
2886
02:29:31.879 --> 02:29:33.600
a certain way, but a lot of them don't know
2887
02:29:34.200 --> 02:29:36.959
what's the root behind a lot of that stuff. But
2888
02:29:37.639 --> 02:29:40.000
mythical creatures as far as that, it's all just like
2889
02:29:40.159 --> 02:29:45.399
extraterrestrials and demons. And then in the middle of that,
2890
02:29:45.840 --> 02:29:50.360
there's a veil of reality and dimensions that exists that
2891
02:29:50.799 --> 02:29:54.000
certain people can go to and certain people can't. And
2892
02:29:54.239 --> 02:30:00.280
even in those in between spaces, there's there's that play
2893
02:30:00.319 --> 02:30:02.200
with your mind as well. You can touch it fair
2894
02:30:02.360 --> 02:30:05.280
and see all of that stuff. So I don't think
2895
02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:07.719
it makes a difference, but I would rather focus on
2896
02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:10.879
extra crest of DNA if that even counts in the
2897
02:30:10.959 --> 02:30:15.479
mythological creature scenario. Hey, man, if you want to go there,
2898
02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:17.239
you can go to Africa and they have a whole
2899
02:30:17.280 --> 02:30:20.479
bunch of different accounts.
2900
02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:22.840
Yeah, for sure, a certain thing you know.
2901
02:30:23.120 --> 02:30:23.399
So you.
2902
02:30:25.319 --> 02:30:26.879
Yeah, if you've been listening to us for a minute,
2903
02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:29.040
you know, we entertain all the ideas because why not, right,
2904
02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:32.040
like who knows as part of that, like the the
2905
02:30:32.479 --> 02:30:36.040
extraterrestrial aspect that surely they wouldn't leave you know, broken
2906
02:30:36.159 --> 02:30:39.079
UFO's laying around for like the future to find. They'd
2907
02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:40.399
be like, oh, let's pick this stuff up and take
2908
02:30:40.440 --> 02:30:43.639
you whethers just as a you know, basic cover of
2909
02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:48.760
tech technological uh, the space they've they inhabited. So I'm
2910
02:30:48.799 --> 02:30:52.559
not an ancient astronaut. Theorists say, yes, I'm not that guy,
2911
02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:55.079
but you know, I do entertain the idea of what
2912
02:30:55.479 --> 02:30:58.799
what actually happened, you know, a million years ago, that type.
2913
02:30:58.600 --> 02:31:02.120
Of I think I think she's right, like the lady
2914
02:31:02.159 --> 02:31:06.440
that was just speaking, because he was saying that it
2915
02:31:06.479 --> 02:31:11.040
has been verified by the military account and stuff like that,
2916
02:31:11.719 --> 02:31:14.280
and even that is just you're still dealing with regular
2917
02:31:14.360 --> 02:31:17.079
people and really sacred stuff. So they wouldn't know what
2918
02:31:17.440 --> 02:31:19.760
they're dealing with at all. They would just be struggling
2919
02:31:19.799 --> 02:31:22.799
with fear and become obedient soldiers and stuff like that.
2920
02:31:23.479 --> 02:31:26.079
But what she says, like, if you ever able to
2921
02:31:26.239 --> 02:31:28.840
if you ever she thought she thinks that were able
2922
02:31:29.639 --> 02:31:31.760
ever able to find something like that, or a group
2923
02:31:31.799 --> 02:31:35.159
of people in the deep jungle that still worshiped the
2924
02:31:35.200 --> 02:31:38.399
feather suspect of something like that, you'd be shut up
2925
02:31:38.520 --> 02:31:40.799
or killed or stuffing like that. And I think that
2926
02:31:41.000 --> 02:31:44.360
is not true because there's a lot of people in Europe,
2927
02:31:44.559 --> 02:31:51.159
to Africa, America, Central America, South America, China for one, India.
2928
02:31:51.440 --> 02:31:54.280
It's all over the world. That's what she's talking about,
2929
02:31:54.440 --> 02:31:56.680
is the Hebrew Israelites.
2930
02:31:57.319 --> 02:32:00.799
Yeah, lots of lots of places. Yeah, lot lots of
2931
02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:03.719
lots of lots of If you go back a millionaire,
2932
02:32:03.719 --> 02:32:06.239
there's lots of space to kind of square that up.
2933
02:32:06.559 --> 02:32:07.079
Amazing star.
2934
02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:11.120
People can shape shift, certain people can shape shift. I
2935
02:32:11.120 --> 02:32:13.719
don't know if they still could do it. But even
2936
02:32:13.799 --> 02:32:18.559
if you have, Yeah, like in a hallucinogenic state, you
2937
02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:22.200
could literally see like I did mushrooms one time and
2938
02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:25.319
I saw a feather serpent in my room. There were
2939
02:32:25.399 --> 02:32:28.040
no shapes to do it. But I had juice things
2940
02:32:28.079 --> 02:32:30.440
on the wall, and I saw a chief moving back
2941
02:32:30.479 --> 02:32:32.799
and forth, so that let me know, like early humans
2942
02:32:32.840 --> 02:32:35.639
would get really high and just draw stuff and see
2943
02:32:35.680 --> 02:32:40.000
it move, and so I had that experience as well.
2944
02:32:40.920 --> 02:32:48.840
So I think, uh, I think the serpent people thing
2945
02:32:50.000 --> 02:32:54.559
is like when they talk about Reptilian people and stuff
2946
02:32:54.600 --> 02:32:57.399
like that, and they said people went underground and all
2947
02:32:57.440 --> 02:33:00.280
of that stuff, It's like, that's just you know, I
2948
02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:02.680
don't know, it's a lot to that. It's the same
2949
02:33:02.719 --> 02:33:09.000
thing with Christianity and Luciferian doctor. Yeah, literally, and people
2950
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.239
getting people being raised in it and using it for
2951
02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:13.559
bad and then people being raised in it and using
2952
02:33:13.639 --> 02:33:16.680
it for good. And because certain people don't have the
2953
02:33:16.799 --> 02:33:19.760
divine rights to even have the proper knowledge at all,
2954
02:33:20.200 --> 02:33:22.440
so if they find their way into it, they can
2955
02:33:22.559 --> 02:33:26.000
only use it for bad sometimes unless because it's the
2956
02:33:26.079 --> 02:33:28.719
same if the light is within you, then it will
2957
02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:33.399
express itself and stuff like that. So if you did
2958
02:33:33.520 --> 02:33:36.559
go looking for certain people in Central and South America,
2959
02:33:36.680 --> 02:33:40.200
you probably depending on who you are and what you're
2960
02:33:40.239 --> 02:33:43.120
going there for, if you got some money behind you,
2961
02:33:43.159 --> 02:33:46.079
you probably wouldn't find anything. You probably get scared shitless
2962
02:33:47.159 --> 02:33:52.079
or find something that will calmed me down. I wouldn't
2963
02:33:52.079 --> 02:33:54.879
have no support behind the stoop. Yeah, but that's been
2964
02:33:54.920 --> 02:33:57.520
the whole thing though. Like literally for the last two years,
2965
02:33:58.280 --> 02:34:00.319
in the last four years, a lot of people have
2966
02:34:00.399 --> 02:34:03.280
been trading routes and stuff like that in Central and
2967
02:34:03.319 --> 02:34:06.559
South America, Mexico. They're trying to find these lost cities
2968
02:34:07.239 --> 02:34:10.879
that are in between dimensions and all of these type
2969
02:34:10.920 --> 02:34:14.079
of things and stuff just you know, betraying oaks and covenants,
2970
02:34:14.600 --> 02:34:20.319
usual things and all of that. While like just because
2971
02:34:20.360 --> 02:34:22.959
there's so many people with nothing to do, it's kind
2972
02:34:22.959 --> 02:34:25.479
of like people that go rock climbing in the Grand Canyon.
2973
02:34:25.879 --> 02:34:28.680
They just don't have ship else to do. Like you
2974
02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:31.959
just you're doing going rock climate and put your life
2975
02:34:31.959 --> 02:34:32.399
in danger.
2976
02:34:32.479 --> 02:34:35.280
It's just something to do, right exactly.
2977
02:34:37.200 --> 02:34:40.559
Going swimming with sharks. Put on swimming with sharks, great
2978
02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:43.840
white chepherds. Uh you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
2979
02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:46.680
I feel you just crazy ship there's nothing else to do.
2980
02:34:46.920 --> 02:34:50.239
Like people people want to by by getting close to dead.
2981
02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:52.600
It's it's wild. It's a wild thing about humans.
2982
02:34:53.040 --> 02:34:56.959
Yeah, it's like damn, but I think the mythical creatures
2983
02:34:57.079 --> 02:34:59.319
that I don't think you should call them creatures because
2984
02:34:59.639 --> 02:35:01.920
that's what they referred to the elite ass That's why
2985
02:35:01.959 --> 02:35:04.520
they call them that pillions stuff like that, because there's
2986
02:35:04.520 --> 02:35:09.200
certain bloodlines that that had those ancient practices and stuff
2987
02:35:09.239 --> 02:35:12.520
that lost their way along the way. That's why they're
2988
02:35:12.520 --> 02:35:15.879
being judged right currently right now, and some of them
2989
02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:18.719
are trying to get back into this witness things and
2990
02:35:18.760 --> 02:35:23.200
stuff like that. So those those are those would be
2991
02:35:23.280 --> 02:35:26.559
referred to as that he do is their life. That's
2992
02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:29.959
why they said Jesus was a jack cony and stuff
2993
02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:32.200
like that. It was just a different language they used
2994
02:35:32.239 --> 02:35:35.000
with the stars. But nowadays you really can't even use
2995
02:35:35.040 --> 02:35:36.920
the stars correctly because you don't know if there's a
2996
02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:40.719
drama or not. So it's just like the drinking board
2997
02:35:40.840 --> 02:35:42.559
when the slaves used to be down south and they
2998
02:35:42.559 --> 02:35:44.520
would follow the drink and gold in the sky, but
2999
02:35:44.600 --> 02:35:47.000
they knew it was going towards North George. Freedom. It
3000
02:35:47.079 --> 02:35:51.280
was just a language, and we still haven't really even
3001
02:35:51.319 --> 02:35:53.360
reached the point to where we could travel from the
3002
02:35:53.440 --> 02:35:55.280
stars and stuff like that.
3003
02:35:55.799 --> 02:36:01.520
Yeah, he did he do of you like a couple
3004
02:36:01.600 --> 02:36:03.399
things real quick before I gotta let you go. In
3005
02:36:03.440 --> 02:36:05.319
a minute, record, just about a time, a couple things,
3006
02:36:05.920 --> 02:36:09.159
amazing stuff, Thank you for listening. Thanks, thanks for the call. Second,
3007
02:36:09.559 --> 02:36:12.079
so we are on the radio trying to be syndicated worldwide.
3008
02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:14.559
So when you call in a crap and ass is
3009
02:36:14.600 --> 02:36:17.520
okay if you say shit, it's not. So just just
3010
02:36:17.600 --> 02:36:20.200
a amend that for us. Please also have to make
3011
02:36:20.360 --> 02:36:22.280
edits and it's sexual work for me, so thank you
3012
02:36:22.360 --> 02:36:24.719
for that. But amazing stuff. Thank you for listening, Thanks
3013
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:27.600
for the fire take tonight and always a pleasure, my man.
3014
02:36:27.600 --> 02:36:31.360
You're welcome back at anytime. Okay, all right, thank you,
3015
02:36:31.799 --> 02:36:34.079
appreciate you. Have a great night. Joseph and the Bronx.
3016
02:36:34.159 --> 02:36:36.040
There you go, making friends all over the world. Have
3017
02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:38.760
a great night, great stuff. This is exactly the point
3018
02:36:39.159 --> 02:36:40.760
we need to talk to each other. And that's that.
3019
02:36:40.879 --> 02:36:44.360
Speaking of the radio stuff, let's do this real quick. Yep.
3020
02:36:44.680 --> 02:36:46.959
If you've been listening to us on the radio, this
3021
02:36:47.120 --> 02:36:50.040
is trouble Minds Michael Strange, have a great night. Thanks
3022
02:36:50.079 --> 02:36:52.200
for being part of this. If you're on any other platform,
3023
02:36:52.360 --> 02:37:07.040
stay tuned for more coming up. Easy? Is that perfect?
3024
02:37:07.079 --> 02:37:09.799
Deaded point? What's up? We got one more call and
3025
02:37:10.040 --> 02:37:13.479
more from James. James anything on that well, Joseph, Joseph
3026
02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:15.440
is locked in. That guy knows what's up. A lot
3027
02:37:15.479 --> 02:37:17.559
of a lot of amazing things coming out of that guy.
3028
02:37:17.719 --> 02:37:19.639
Thanks for finding us and thanks for the amazing call.
3029
02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:23.200
Anything to add to that, James or anything otherwise, you
3030
02:37:23.319 --> 02:37:25.719
know how this works, a non non linear open end
3031
02:37:25.719 --> 02:37:26.280
to go right ahead.
3032
02:37:27.680 --> 02:37:30.440
Just too much to even wrap my mind around that call.
3033
02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:32.280
I don't know much about most of what he was
3034
02:37:32.319 --> 02:37:35.959
talking about there, so really amazing. Yeah, great call, and
3035
02:37:36.399 --> 02:37:39.000
I do I will, I will save the let's say
3036
02:37:39.040 --> 02:37:41.239
the ghost stories, so to speak, for the I mean
3037
02:37:41.239 --> 02:37:42.239
you're right near the end of the shop.
3038
02:37:42.280 --> 02:37:47.040
That's okay, Sure you got it. Seven two one zero
3039
02:37:47.120 --> 02:37:48.920
three seven. Let's go take the final call. Then we'll
3040
02:37:48.920 --> 02:37:51.120
go back to James and thank thanks again to each
3041
02:37:51.159 --> 02:37:53.360
and everyoney for staying up late with us and being
3042
02:37:53.399 --> 02:37:53.760
part of this.
3043
02:37:53.879 --> 02:37:54.079
It is.
3044
02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:56.760
It is an amazing thing, like I said, to to
3045
02:37:56.920 --> 02:37:59.200
kind of create something from zero and have all these
3046
02:37:59.239 --> 02:38:01.680
amazing people be part of it. Let's go to looks
3047
02:38:01.719 --> 02:38:03.879
like it's a blind psyching out on YouTube. What's up,
3048
02:38:03.920 --> 02:38:07.239
my man? You're on trouble minds. Mike and James are here,
3049
02:38:07.680 --> 02:38:11.719
how are you? And go right ahead. I'm good. How
3050
02:38:11.760 --> 02:38:12.159
are you guys?
3051
02:38:12.200 --> 02:38:12.639
Can you hear me?
3052
02:38:12.680 --> 02:38:12.959
All right?
3053
02:38:13.120 --> 02:38:14.799
Yep, loud and clear. You sound great, go right.
3054
02:38:14.760 --> 02:38:17.360
Ahead, all right.
3055
02:38:17.399 --> 02:38:19.719
Hopefully I won't be as nervous as I was the
3056
02:38:19.760 --> 02:38:21.719
first time, so sorry about that.
3057
02:38:21.959 --> 02:38:24.959
Now you're good. It happens. This is a process. We look,
3058
02:38:25.000 --> 02:38:26.799
we've all been through this, including myself, by the way,
3059
02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:28.760
when I first started, I was a nervous wreck. So
3060
02:38:28.879 --> 02:38:30.840
your second time will be a little easier. Third time
3061
02:38:31.159 --> 02:38:32.120
it will be a little easier.
3062
02:38:32.200 --> 02:38:32.799
And you have me.
3063
02:38:33.159 --> 02:38:35.319
I got your back entirely. So what you got go
3064
02:38:35.399 --> 02:38:35.760
right ahead?
3065
02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:41.319
Well yeah, and in your head you sound like amazing,
3066
02:38:41.440 --> 02:38:44.879
right when you actually kind of convey it, it sounds horrible.
3067
02:38:45.559 --> 02:38:46.680
But I wanted to.
3068
02:38:48.799 --> 02:38:52.680
Talk about what you said about the Skinwalker ranch where
3069
02:38:52.799 --> 02:38:56.200
the new owner promised evidence right. Well, I even said
3070
02:38:56.239 --> 02:39:00.520
in the chat it's easy to say that, but we
3071
02:39:00.680 --> 02:39:05.040
know that the government's been involved heavily with Big Olo
3072
02:39:05.440 --> 02:39:08.079
in the Skinwalker ranch, and I mean they could easily
3073
02:39:08.079 --> 02:39:12.600
have been like, yo, you ain't saying anything. You know,
3074
02:39:12.879 --> 02:39:15.760
we're only allowing you to put out this and that.
3075
02:39:16.799 --> 02:39:20.479
But again, it is a money maker, so that kind
3076
02:39:20.479 --> 02:39:22.440
of makes sense where it's behind a paywall.
3077
02:39:24.200 --> 02:39:26.959
Well okay, but here's the problem though. So the problem
3078
02:39:27.000 --> 02:39:29.600
I have and again that look, I'm not a hater.
3079
02:39:29.879 --> 02:39:32.399
I'm not a guy that's like, hey, look, I've done
3080
02:39:32.840 --> 02:39:34.920
thousands of hours of work as part of this show,
3081
02:39:35.360 --> 02:39:38.440
and I've paywalled all of our video episodes. All of
3082
02:39:38.520 --> 02:39:41.520
our audio episodes are completely free on the podcast feed. Okay,
3083
02:39:42.000 --> 02:39:45.760
but I've paywalled basically all the video stuff. And if
3084
02:39:45.799 --> 02:39:48.559
you hate me for that, you go do thousands of
3085
02:39:48.639 --> 02:39:50.079
hours of work and not get paid for it. And
3086
02:39:50.120 --> 02:39:52.719
then right like like I get it. I'm not mad
3087
02:39:52.760 --> 02:39:55.559
about that whatsoever at all, not one iota. By the way,
3088
02:39:56.040 --> 02:39:59.159
the thing that irritates me about Brandon Fugal and the
3089
02:39:59.239 --> 02:40:01.879
rest of this stuff that they're doing is he promised
3090
02:40:01.920 --> 02:40:04.840
when they first started they would have open source information
3091
02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:08.159
available to the masses. They haven't touched anything close to that.
3092
02:40:08.799 --> 02:40:11.520
I even tweeted at him, it's in the record, he
3093
02:40:11.639 --> 02:40:14.040
said it. I said, we're still waiting for this. What's up?
3094
02:40:14.120 --> 02:40:16.879
And so, like I said, if you pay them, you
3095
02:40:16.959 --> 02:40:18.559
get like a T shirt and you're part of their
3096
02:40:18.600 --> 02:40:21.280
Skinwalker ranch Club or whatever, and you get behind the
3097
02:40:21.360 --> 02:40:24.719
scenes of the show, but you don't get true, actual data,
3098
02:40:25.159 --> 02:40:27.840
and you know they're doing you know, video twenty four seven,
3099
02:40:27.879 --> 02:40:30.719
they're doing infrared twenty four seven, they're doing even when
3100
02:40:30.719 --> 02:40:32.920
they're not there, like you know, they have a skeleton
3101
02:40:33.000 --> 02:40:36.840
crew in the winter season, still there. So that's my frustration.
3102
02:40:37.040 --> 02:40:41.120
It's not about you know, making people pay for that stuff. Fine,
3103
02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:43.000
you know, like you've spent the money and got the
3104
02:40:43.079 --> 02:40:45.360
crew out there and got the costs and all the stuff,
3105
02:40:45.399 --> 02:40:49.040
the time investment. That's cool to me. But the problem
3106
02:40:49.159 --> 02:40:52.120
is we still don't have data, direct actual data that
3107
02:40:52.239 --> 02:40:55.840
the world can parse together. And maybe and here's the
3108
02:40:55.920 --> 02:40:58.760
problem is that when you do that and you say
3109
02:40:59.239 --> 02:41:00.959
this is what I have and I'm going to give
3110
02:41:00.959 --> 02:41:04.760
it to everybody, like that's good because somebody may find
3111
02:41:04.920 --> 02:41:08.360
something that you missed, it's incredibly anomalous because you know,
3112
02:41:08.440 --> 02:41:10.360
the team is you know, eight or ten people or something.
3113
02:41:10.440 --> 02:41:12.719
They get some professionals coming from time to time. You
3114
02:41:12.799 --> 02:41:15.559
get what I'm saying. But if they're like, you say
3115
02:41:15.600 --> 02:41:17.399
that and then you don't do it, and then some
3116
02:41:17.559 --> 02:41:19.760
of the stuff they do is weird and odd and
3117
02:41:20.280 --> 02:41:22.479
it doesn't make any sense given the data we're given,
3118
02:41:23.040 --> 02:41:27.760
then it seems suspicious. It seems hoarding information you promise
3119
02:41:27.840 --> 02:41:29.760
to the public. I don't know. I'm one of those
3120
02:41:29.799 --> 02:41:33.159
guys that wants to underdeliver or what is it to
3121
02:41:33.319 --> 02:41:37.479
overpromise an underdeliver? Not not that the opposite. I want
3122
02:41:37.520 --> 02:41:39.399
to come here and talk to you guys. You know
3123
02:41:39.479 --> 02:41:41.159
what I'm saying. It's too late for me and I've
3124
02:41:41.159 --> 02:41:43.360
had about four beers, so I'm and no dinner. So
3125
02:41:43.879 --> 02:41:46.239
but that's the problem, right, I want to do the
3126
02:41:46.280 --> 02:41:48.760
opposite of what they're doing and just be like, hey,
3127
02:41:48.840 --> 02:41:51.399
let's leave this an open book. Let's talk about ideas
3128
02:41:51.479 --> 02:41:54.959
together and whatever. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, that's fine.
3129
02:41:55.319 --> 02:41:57.399
I don't I don't give a rip. If everybody's like, oh,
3130
02:41:57.479 --> 02:42:00.520
that guy, that stupid trouble minds guy, he's wrong about everything.
3131
02:42:00.639 --> 02:42:03.879
Yeah fine, yeah, duh, that's why I'm here. Well, let's
3132
02:42:03.920 --> 02:42:05.799
talk about it and maybe catch a right here or
3133
02:42:05.879 --> 02:42:08.520
there as part of these conversations. You know what I'm saying.
3134
02:42:08.879 --> 02:42:11.040
I want to do the opposite of that over promised
3135
02:42:11.079 --> 02:42:12.319
and under deliver. It's kind of the point.
3136
02:42:12.319 --> 02:42:17.360
But anyway, sorry to ramble, go ahead, No, I think
3137
02:42:17.399 --> 02:42:22.000
you kind of misunderstood, Like, I appreciate making money, but
3138
02:42:22.120 --> 02:42:25.479
I'm just saying like certain things of this aspect of
3139
02:42:26.319 --> 02:42:29.000
technology or aliens or.
3140
02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:34.239
Cryptis, they could be being held back by a larger force.
3141
02:42:34.840 --> 02:42:38.360
I think it's irresponsible to say I'm going to be
3142
02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:41.840
so transparent and I'm gonna put out everything we have,
3143
02:42:42.440 --> 02:42:46.239
but then you come up to a virtual firewall, and
3144
02:42:46.319 --> 02:42:46.879
then what do you do?
3145
02:42:47.360 --> 02:42:47.520
You know?
3146
02:42:47.799 --> 02:42:52.760
I mean example, we all know about the recent last
3147
02:42:52.840 --> 02:42:58.280
year with Ami Massan at the the Congress Mexican Congress
3148
02:42:58.280 --> 02:43:02.360
where he presented the what they called the alien mummies yep,
3149
02:43:02.440 --> 02:43:04.479
And well, I think he did it wrong at first
3150
02:43:04.559 --> 02:43:08.799
for not bringing his whole team. It's just the one
3151
02:43:09.799 --> 02:43:13.639
surgeon general equivalent to our surgeon general from the Navy
3152
02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:18.399
and through. But they ended up and everybody global media
3153
02:43:18.559 --> 02:43:21.239
was like, oh, it's fake, you know, it's their hippo
3154
02:43:21.319 --> 02:43:24.920
mache cake whatever. All they all said, and that's what
3155
02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:28.200
people believed. But I don't know if you know, but
3156
02:43:28.239 --> 02:43:33.399
they had a second hearing on November seventh of that
3157
02:43:33.559 --> 02:43:38.959
year where he bought like his entire research team and
3158
02:43:39.040 --> 02:43:43.680
it was literally aired for like a day on YouTube
3159
02:43:43.719 --> 02:43:50.000
because of the Congress Mexico Congressional Congress as a YouTube channel,
3160
02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:52.200
and they aired it which was like a four hour
3161
02:43:52.440 --> 02:43:55.879
hearing and then it was scrubbed completely off the internet
3162
02:43:56.639 --> 02:44:00.559
where they presented all of their findings. I mean, they
3163
02:44:00.639 --> 02:44:07.559
had a specialist from skin like dermatologists to bone specialists,
3164
02:44:08.440 --> 02:44:11.000
but we don't hear anything about that. And then just
3165
02:44:11.799 --> 02:44:16.440
a few months ago, all that research was peer reviewed
3166
02:44:16.600 --> 02:44:21.360
and published where it was they're saying it's they're like
3167
02:44:21.559 --> 02:44:26.079
legit beings and they're called them tridactal humanoids. But have
3168
02:44:26.200 --> 02:44:30.920
we heard anything about that? And and that's a problem
3169
02:44:31.000 --> 02:44:34.000
with the media and society today, like we can present
3170
02:44:34.159 --> 02:44:37.159
all this evidence and it's still not good enough.
3171
02:44:37.639 --> 02:44:38.280
You can have a.
3172
02:44:38.319 --> 02:44:43.840
Perfect picture of a crypti bigfoot or then it's considered fake,
3173
02:44:44.440 --> 02:44:47.639
but if it's too bad or blurry, it's not good enough.
3174
02:44:47.840 --> 02:44:51.719
So I didn't even think it's worth even presenting it
3175
02:44:51.840 --> 02:44:56.479
because you're just going to be shot down or called
3176
02:44:56.559 --> 02:44:59.360
fake or I don't know, it's just kind.
3177
02:44:59.280 --> 02:45:02.559
Of a weird I agree. Look, I agree all of
3178
02:45:02.600 --> 02:45:04.799
that stuff you said. I agree, And it is problematic
3179
02:45:04.879 --> 02:45:07.840
because the second you find something that is let's say,
3180
02:45:08.319 --> 02:45:11.719
truly and directly anomalous and we should be talking about
3181
02:45:12.159 --> 02:45:14.200
You're right, there's the powers that be that will you know,
3182
02:45:15.360 --> 02:45:18.319
just watch the political space. You see how they take
3183
02:45:18.399 --> 02:45:23.520
the Orwellian aspect of things and make you believe things
3184
02:45:23.559 --> 02:45:27.879
that aren't true because they you know, omit a particular
3185
02:45:28.239 --> 02:45:30.920
key detail of a thing that went down like that,
3186
02:45:31.040 --> 02:45:34.639
this is constant, continual And so you're right, you're absolutely
3187
02:45:34.760 --> 02:45:37.600
right in that aspect that surely they're going to block
3188
02:45:37.680 --> 02:45:39.879
some of this stuff. And you're also correct that I
3189
02:45:39.959 --> 02:45:42.639
didn't see a second hearing of you know, some of
3190
02:45:42.719 --> 02:45:44.440
this other stuff and the science that came out of it.
3191
02:45:44.879 --> 02:45:47.479
And look here, here's how you do it, by the way,
3192
02:45:47.680 --> 02:45:51.440
Like if you want to actually turn this into disclosure itself,
3193
02:45:52.120 --> 02:45:54.399
you do the DNA test and you put it out
3194
02:45:54.399 --> 02:45:57.079
to the world and let everybody do the things. Because
3195
02:45:57.520 --> 02:45:59.959
for instance, if you're you know, have a warp drive
3196
02:46:00.040 --> 02:46:02.600
for something, or you know, anti gravity or something, and
3197
02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:04.799
you say, we got it, we can do it. Well
3198
02:46:05.239 --> 02:46:08.920
until you put out a peer reviewed style paper that
3199
02:46:09.360 --> 02:46:12.360
everybody else can do and replicate, at least in the
3200
02:46:12.440 --> 02:46:15.959
basic sense, nobody will believe you. And this is the
3201
02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:19.200
part about transparency. You have to be able to replicate
3202
02:46:19.280 --> 02:46:22.000
this stuff and have enough people with the courage to
3203
02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:24.799
stand up and say yes, this is true, and you're right,
3204
02:46:24.920 --> 02:46:28.159
there's a there's a problem here. There's a bottleneck of courage, definitely,
3205
02:46:28.600 --> 02:46:31.200
there's a bottleneck of spin and control with the media.
3206
02:46:31.799 --> 02:46:34.479
You're absolutely right, and so the question becomes what is
3207
02:46:34.520 --> 02:46:36.639
real anymore? And that's why we talk about this together.
3208
02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:38.040
What else you got?
3209
02:46:40.159 --> 02:46:43.760
Yeah, Well, about what you just said about the technology
3210
02:46:44.399 --> 02:46:50.280
in Huntington, Awlabama is like the mecca of rocket science.
3211
02:46:50.559 --> 02:46:53.239
To go down there, it's like Silicon Valley but for
3212
02:46:54.000 --> 02:46:58.600
rocket science. And I think it was the beginning of
3213
02:46:58.639 --> 02:47:00.959
the year. There was I don't remember her name, but
3214
02:47:01.079 --> 02:47:04.600
she was a big advocate for like anti grav and
3215
02:47:05.479 --> 02:47:07.920
that type of technology, and she was all over like
3216
02:47:08.360 --> 02:47:13.000
TikTok and thing like because her dad was a prominent
3217
02:47:13.159 --> 02:47:17.639
scientist and that she just and she was talking about
3218
02:47:17.719 --> 02:47:23.000
releasing and little bits and pieces of information because she
3219
02:47:23.159 --> 02:47:25.200
said she was being held back by the government and
3220
02:47:25.280 --> 02:47:29.239
then all of a sudden she was found on a lot.
3221
02:47:30.040 --> 02:47:34.319
So I mean that happens a lot. And then I'm
3222
02:47:34.319 --> 02:47:38.959
pretty sure you know, but the government has a they
3223
02:47:39.040 --> 02:47:41.200
have a I don't know you want to call it,
3224
02:47:41.360 --> 02:47:45.159
but a law or a bill where someone if they
3225
02:47:45.239 --> 02:47:49.360
feel that someone's invention has an impact on national security,
3226
02:47:50.159 --> 02:47:53.479
they'll they'll take that patent from that person. So there's
3227
02:47:53.479 --> 02:47:58.040
a lot of patents for anti grave medical advancements that
3228
02:47:58.200 --> 02:48:05.559
the government can just deem inappropriate or national security risk
3229
02:48:05.760 --> 02:48:06.879
and you never hear about it.
3230
02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:11.959
Yeah, well that's that's exactly the point of the transparent
3231
02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.639
aspect of the Foyer and all the rest of that stuff. Look,
3232
02:48:15.079 --> 02:48:18.040
I'm a I'm mad as hell about all those things
3233
02:48:18.159 --> 02:48:20.559
because there's a ton of information we deserve to know,
3234
02:48:21.120 --> 02:48:23.639
and you bet your ass it is being covered up.
3235
02:48:23.920 --> 02:48:27.319
And look up. Even if you go to a ton
3236
02:48:27.399 --> 02:48:29.600
of respect for John Greenwall Jr. He doesn't drink the
3237
02:48:29.639 --> 02:48:31.840
maybe juice. He's like, hey, let's stick to the documents.
3238
02:48:32.600 --> 02:48:35.440
But even he has set of a black vault, if
3239
02:48:35.479 --> 02:48:37.520
you know who I'm talking about. Even he has said
3240
02:48:37.559 --> 02:48:40.280
there's definitely been a cover up of this stuff for many,
3241
02:48:40.360 --> 02:48:43.360
many decades. And he's not exactly I mean, I'm sure
3242
02:48:43.360 --> 02:48:45.120
he's got his series, but he doesn't do sort of
3243
02:48:45.319 --> 02:48:49.239
wild speculation like we do. But he's definitely narrowed down
3244
02:48:49.319 --> 02:48:51.159
the fact that this stuff has been covered up. And
3245
02:48:51.239 --> 02:48:53.200
if this has been covered up, surely everything else has
3246
02:48:53.239 --> 02:48:55.680
been As we've seen from Snowden and a songe and
3247
02:48:56.159 --> 02:48:58.879
everything else. I mean, yeah, this is this is, this
3248
02:48:59.040 --> 02:49:00.399
is the real world we live in. And that's why
3249
02:49:00.440 --> 02:49:02.680
it's frustrating itself for me, and why we need to
3250
02:49:02.719 --> 02:49:05.079
talk to each other about it, because if we don't
3251
02:49:05.200 --> 02:49:08.920
reinforce the aspect of hey, we deserve to know the truth,
3252
02:49:09.079 --> 02:49:11.719
then who's going to do it on our behalf? Nobody?
3253
02:49:11.799 --> 02:49:12.239
Am I right?
3254
02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:14.559
Oh?
3255
02:49:14.639 --> 02:49:14.799
Yeah?
3256
02:49:14.920 --> 02:49:18.719
Well and Massage, I mean all he did was given
3257
02:49:18.799 --> 02:49:24.000
avenue or whistleblowers to present their information, and the US
3258
02:49:24.120 --> 02:49:29.319
government was going after him for treason and I mean
3259
02:49:29.360 --> 02:49:33.079
he was he was in hiding basically for like twelve
3260
02:49:33.159 --> 02:49:37.600
years in the embassy. I mean, like it's scary out there,
3261
02:49:38.239 --> 02:49:43.600
especially with how long the reach is. And uh, I mean,
3262
02:49:44.319 --> 02:49:49.959
but this isn't a new aspect of covering it up.
3263
02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:56.520
Going a little further back, you've heard of obviously Marco Polo.
3264
02:49:56.680 --> 02:49:56.879
Have you?
3265
02:49:57.319 --> 02:50:01.000
Are you familiar with his work Mark opposed the Travels
3266
02:50:01.040 --> 02:50:01.760
of Marco Polo?
3267
02:50:02.159 --> 02:50:04.760
Yeah, not not as in depth as I should be,
3268
02:50:04.920 --> 02:50:06.879
But I saw you mentioned earlier in the chat when
3269
02:50:06.920 --> 02:50:09.399
he first popped in that he was a true monster hunter.
3270
02:50:09.559 --> 02:50:10.920
Go ahead and elaborate. That's amazing.
3271
02:50:13.079 --> 02:50:18.360
Well in his travels, he spoke about like fantastical beasts,
3272
02:50:19.000 --> 02:50:22.319
like one of them was called a blenny, And I
3273
02:50:22.440 --> 02:50:25.639
know it sounds weird, but think of like what it
3274
02:50:25.760 --> 02:50:30.200
looked like was a Tasmanian devil, the cartoon character, where
3275
02:50:30.360 --> 02:50:34.719
like it has no head but his mouth, eyes face
3276
02:50:35.840 --> 02:50:38.840
in its torso, two arms, two legs, and like a
3277
02:50:38.959 --> 02:50:43.360
fierce warrior. Then he also spoke about he came across
3278
02:50:44.000 --> 02:50:52.280
something called a a stiled sidepod like sideclops, but a
3279
02:50:52.319 --> 02:50:56.600
one legged creature that was like a humanoid torso, but
3280
02:50:56.760 --> 02:51:00.959
with a huge gigantic foot that would like hop around
3281
02:51:01.319 --> 02:51:05.600
and then would use its foot like an umbrella. And
3282
02:51:05.719 --> 02:51:09.280
then he's the one that coined the unicorn, where he
3283
02:51:09.360 --> 02:51:14.920
said he saw the unicorn. But today the scholars try
3284
02:51:14.959 --> 02:51:20.920
to say he he misinterpreted that as a rhinoceros, Like
3285
02:51:21.159 --> 02:51:24.719
come on, that guy rode horses all day, and he
3286
02:51:24.840 --> 02:51:29.479
described it perfectly as a horse with a horn on.
3287
02:51:29.959 --> 02:51:34.239
I mean, how can you can misinterpret that as a rhino?
3288
02:51:34.520 --> 02:51:38.319
And I keep going on, like there was the rock,
3289
02:51:38.479 --> 02:51:44.399
which was a gigantic thirty to fifty footspanned a bird,
3290
02:51:44.799 --> 02:51:48.079
which we already know that there's gigantic birds in the
3291
02:51:48.159 --> 02:51:52.440
fossil history of like twenty five feet thirty feet wingspan.
3292
02:51:53.559 --> 02:51:56.520
And they also, I don't know if you know this,
3293
02:51:56.639 --> 02:51:59.600
they spoke about a dogmen too. There was an island
3294
02:51:59.680 --> 02:52:04.159
he visited that had dog men that had he called it.
3295
02:52:04.559 --> 02:52:08.360
I can't remember the the pacific name he said it was,
3296
02:52:08.479 --> 02:52:11.879
but it's like legit, like a dog man. And but
3297
02:52:12.040 --> 02:52:16.040
all that, all his uh, his writings are now considered
3298
02:52:16.079 --> 02:52:23.040
you know, miss miss fantastic like beasts and cryptids. But
3299
02:52:25.079 --> 02:52:28.399
back then, you you had to be pretty precise, uh,
3300
02:52:28.559 --> 02:52:32.319
because he was it during the medieval time, and if
3301
02:52:32.319 --> 02:52:35.200
you said anything that went against like the church, and
3302
02:52:35.440 --> 02:52:37.639
we all know what happens when you did it back then.
3303
02:52:38.239 --> 02:52:40.680
So and uh, how accurate was that?
3304
02:52:41.000 --> 02:52:41.159
You know?
3305
02:52:41.360 --> 02:52:44.639
And I mean pretty crazy?
3306
02:52:45.639 --> 02:52:46.120
Yeah yeah.
3307
02:52:46.520 --> 02:52:46.639
Uh.
3308
02:52:46.959 --> 02:52:48.879
By the way Kelly mentioned earlier, I'm not sure if
3309
02:52:48.879 --> 02:52:50.840
you caught it, he mentioned them blummies as well as
3310
02:52:50.879 --> 02:52:53.120
part of the what he would kind of dig into
3311
02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:56.840
as part of this monster hunt, the headless men with
3312
02:52:56.959 --> 02:53:00.239
the sort of the face on their torso it's absolutely wild. Yeah,
3313
02:53:00.559 --> 02:53:01.879
I'm going to add that to the list. By the way,
3314
02:53:01.920 --> 02:53:04.680
I think we should kind of delve into the claims
3315
02:53:04.719 --> 02:53:07.479
made by Marco Polo because and here's the thing too,
3316
02:53:07.639 --> 02:53:11.000
regarding you know, the ancients or ancestors. However far do
3317
02:53:11.040 --> 02:53:13.040
you want to go back hundreds or thousands of years,
3318
02:53:13.079 --> 02:53:15.840
it doesn't really matter. Is that you can say, Okay,
3319
02:53:16.079 --> 02:53:18.319
they drew antelopes on the cave wall, and we can
3320
02:53:18.399 --> 02:53:22.600
clearly see their antelopes. Okay, so they weren't misrepresenting what
3321
02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:26.360
they're seeing. It's clearly a thing. We clearly have those
3322
02:53:26.440 --> 02:53:29.520
still today, at least the modern versions of those exact things.
3323
02:53:29.920 --> 02:53:32.799
But then they also drew spacemen on the wall, so
3324
02:53:32.920 --> 02:53:37.120
it's like like, was that the peyote day or right,
3325
02:53:37.280 --> 02:53:40.120
like what was actually happening? And that's why again I
3326
02:53:40.239 --> 02:53:43.239
know ancient astronaut theorists say yes, but it does make
3327
02:53:43.319 --> 02:53:47.159
me wonder because there's a lot of accurate representations of
3328
02:53:47.319 --> 02:53:50.200
true flora and fauna of the time. But then there's
3329
02:53:50.239 --> 02:53:53.319
also some really wild and weird stuff that doesn't get
3330
02:53:53.319 --> 02:53:56.040
a lot of play except on ancient aliens and things
3331
02:53:56.079 --> 02:53:58.120
like that. So I think they're in the right place here.
3332
02:53:58.319 --> 02:54:02.239
Obviously I welcome, welcome back to the joint, but teaching
3333
02:54:02.280 --> 02:54:04.399
me stuff I didn't know. By the way, and that's amazing,
3334
02:54:04.399 --> 02:54:06.200
and that's why we need to talk to each other. Amazing,
3335
02:54:06.319 --> 02:54:08.440
amazing stuff. I got a final flout for us. It's
3336
02:54:08.440 --> 02:54:09.719
a little bit later and let's get out of here.
3337
02:54:12.639 --> 02:54:16.520
I just told one comment about the depictions. Well, see,
3338
02:54:17.920 --> 02:54:19.799
I lost my eyesight a few years ago. That's why
3339
02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:22.680
I like the name I have on the internet. But
3340
02:54:22.799 --> 02:54:28.959
I remember going back to the the Nasca mummies, the
3341
02:54:29.040 --> 02:54:31.959
alien mummies, whatever you want to call them. I remember, correct,
3342
02:54:32.000 --> 02:54:36.319
the Nasca lines. They have a depiction of like what
3343
02:54:36.479 --> 02:54:40.079
looks like a little alien that's like pointing his finger up.
3344
02:54:40.879 --> 02:54:41.319
Is that right?
3345
02:54:41.559 --> 02:54:42.399
If I remember that, right?
3346
02:54:43.000 --> 02:54:46.159
I think so? Yeah, from my memory, Yeah, they call.
3347
02:54:46.079 --> 02:54:47.879
It like the astronaut or something.
3348
02:54:48.239 --> 02:54:48.319
Ye.
3349
02:54:48.479 --> 02:54:51.399
Now, think about what I mean, because I haven't seen
3350
02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:59.000
visually the mummies that have been presented, but I've been
3351
02:54:59.079 --> 02:55:02.319
told that they kind of look like et like that
3352
02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:06.559
weird looking head and neck and small. Now if that
3353
02:55:06.719 --> 02:55:10.040
what that looks like? And we know that those Nascal
3354
02:55:10.120 --> 02:55:13.360
lines depict that I was like twelve hundred years ago.
3355
02:55:14.399 --> 02:55:17.959
I mean, now we have like an actual body. I
3356
02:55:18.000 --> 02:55:21.360
think it's a little more than just aoti that's happening.
3357
02:55:21.959 --> 02:55:24.520
Yeah, yeah, no, I wasn't trying to be demeaning about that.
3358
02:55:24.600 --> 02:55:26.879
I was just saying that you can't. You can't write
3359
02:55:26.959 --> 02:55:29.479
everything off as well. They must have been high that day.
3360
02:55:29.559 --> 02:55:31.440
That was kind of my point. I'm making the same
3361
02:55:31.479 --> 02:55:33.719
point you're making. I don't know when you can depict
3362
02:55:33.760 --> 02:55:36.680
everything sort of accurately in terms of flora and fauna
3363
02:55:36.719 --> 02:55:39.600
of your time so that modern scholars recognize it. But
3364
02:55:39.680 --> 02:55:42.799
then there's weird stuff that's anomalous. Hey, there might be
3365
02:55:42.879 --> 02:55:45.159
weird stuff that's anomalous, and that's why we're talking about
3366
02:55:45.159 --> 02:55:47.920
this amazing stuff. Brother. I appreciate you listening. Thanks for
3367
02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:49.799
the great chat as always, and thanks for the great Coe.
3368
02:55:50.040 --> 02:55:52.479
As you know, you're welcome back anytime. And by the way,
3369
02:55:53.120 --> 02:55:54.879
how do you feel about call number two? You feel
3370
02:55:54.879 --> 02:55:56.680
a little bit about a little bit better about the
3371
02:55:57.399 --> 02:55:59.159
nerves and the whatnot because you did find tonight and
3372
02:55:59.239 --> 02:56:00.440
you did find the first time as well.
3373
02:56:02.840 --> 02:56:05.000
Yeah, I think I did. I feel a little bit better.
3374
02:56:05.360 --> 02:56:07.079
Maybe number three is the Lucky three.
3375
02:56:07.079 --> 02:56:09.600
Right, Yeah, there you go, there you go. So once
3376
02:56:09.760 --> 02:56:12.239
once you slay it, you slay it tonight. By the way,
3377
02:56:12.319 --> 02:56:14.559
once you slay it on Lucky three, it's all. It's
3378
02:56:14.559 --> 02:56:16.920
all behind you back then, and then anybody who's called
3379
02:56:16.920 --> 02:56:18.319
into the show a number of times and will tell
3380
02:56:18.319 --> 02:56:21.559
you it's it does get easier. You just bring your
3381
02:56:21.639 --> 02:56:24.559
ideas to take a loose outline and show up and
3382
02:56:24.639 --> 02:56:26.360
slay it. And I'm going to have your back if
3383
02:56:26.399 --> 02:56:28.159
you falter for a moment and needed to check your
3384
02:56:28.200 --> 02:56:30.559
notes or something. But amazing stuff. Thanks again for being
3385
02:56:30.600 --> 02:56:33.280
part of this and always a pleasure. You're welcome back
3386
02:56:33.280 --> 02:56:34.399
anytime and we'll talk to soon.
3387
02:56:34.360 --> 02:56:37.760
My man. Have a great night, all right, brother, good night?
3388
02:56:38.000 --> 02:56:41.200
Thanks like you, Sue. That's a blind psycho naut on YouTube.
3389
02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:43.000
There you go, give him a follow. I'm not sure
3390
02:56:43.000 --> 02:56:44.799
if he's got a YouTube channel that plays. I should
3391
02:56:44.799 --> 02:56:46.760
have asked him before I let him go, but I
3392
02:56:46.840 --> 02:56:49.559
will check myself and if it's possible, drop him in
3393
02:56:49.639 --> 02:56:52.360
the link down below. Yeah, this is this is why
3394
02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:54.879
we do this, no joke, I'm not even kidding. This
3395
02:56:55.159 --> 02:56:57.319
was the dream when Frank and I started this show
3396
02:56:57.399 --> 02:57:01.920
years and years ago. Was wouldn't it an incredible wild
3397
02:57:02.079 --> 02:57:06.360
ride to talk about amazing things and have people call
3398
02:57:06.520 --> 02:57:10.120
in with their take on it? And again, as I
3399
02:57:10.159 --> 02:57:12.360
always say, if you do this correctly, if you ask
3400
02:57:12.520 --> 02:57:14.959
the right question to a thousand different people, You're likely
3401
02:57:15.000 --> 02:57:17.639
to get a thousand different answers. And you know, on
3402
02:57:17.799 --> 02:57:20.600
my part, I don't slay it every night, you know sometimes,
3403
02:57:20.799 --> 02:57:25.959
you know, sometimes I'm a disaster. But I'm human. I'm human.
3404
02:57:26.079 --> 02:57:28.159
But notice what we've built together as part of it.
3405
02:57:28.280 --> 02:57:30.959
So thank you a blind psychingot for the call, and
3406
02:57:31.360 --> 02:57:33.239
thanks to each every one of you for being part
3407
02:57:33.280 --> 02:57:35.559
of these conversations and keeping your mind sort of locked
3408
02:57:35.559 --> 02:57:37.799
into what we're talking about, even if it's wild and
3409
02:57:37.879 --> 02:57:41.520
crazy and weird, Even if it's wild and crazy and weird,
3410
02:57:41.920 --> 02:57:45.399
amazing stuff regarding the Marco Polo stuff I've made, and
3411
02:57:45.479 --> 02:57:48.600
note we'll circle back to that. James, anything to add
3412
02:57:48.840 --> 02:57:49.799
before we dip out of here?
3413
02:57:51.079 --> 02:57:53.799
Great call, Yeah, and I just wanted to real quick
3414
02:57:53.879 --> 02:57:56.959
tell my little ghost story if it's okay.
3415
02:57:57.040 --> 02:57:58.399
Yeah, and I'll be done, true.
3416
02:57:58.440 --> 02:57:58.600
Good.
3417
02:57:58.840 --> 02:58:01.520
Well, So, the first time I ever went on a
3418
02:58:01.639 --> 02:58:05.680
public investigation. So there's this group in my area.
3419
02:58:05.440 --> 02:58:09.360
And I think, James, Oh yes, James, I'm off tomorrow.
3420
02:58:09.559 --> 02:58:12.399
It's a holiday weekend. Take your time, slot, Everything's okay.
3421
02:58:13.680 --> 02:58:16.360
I sent you rushing and I sent your anxiety. Take
3422
02:58:16.399 --> 02:58:18.959
your time, my friend, right, It Okay, thank you.
3423
02:58:19.920 --> 02:58:20.120
Yeah.
3424
02:58:20.280 --> 02:58:26.239
So, my I found out about this this paranormal investigation group.
3425
02:58:26.959 --> 02:58:28.840
I don't know if they're still around now or if
3426
02:58:29.079 --> 02:58:31.319
it's the same group, but at the time it was
3427
02:58:31.440 --> 02:58:35.360
MotorCity Ghost Unders and I wanted to go. I found
3428
02:58:35.399 --> 02:58:38.000
out they were doing this investigation of an older house
3429
02:58:38.879 --> 02:58:41.719
one town over from from from where I live, and
3430
02:58:41.840 --> 02:58:45.239
I wanted to go to that, and I got lucky
3431
02:58:45.239 --> 02:58:46.760
and I had some family. At first, I was just
3432
02:58:46.879 --> 02:58:49.600
going to get family who over in my family to
3433
02:58:50.200 --> 02:58:52.280
drive me over there and come back and get me
3434
02:58:52.360 --> 02:58:55.000
if I had to, but I had some other family
3435
02:58:55.079 --> 02:58:58.600
that that was interested in. So groups went to this
3436
02:58:58.760 --> 02:59:01.280
investigation of this old the house and it was an
3437
02:59:01.360 --> 02:59:05.680
octagon shaped house, which was pretty pretty neat to see
3438
02:59:05.760 --> 02:59:07.680
that and the inside and outside and everything.
3439
02:59:09.120 --> 02:59:10.280
But so we.
3440
02:59:11.840 --> 02:59:13.799
Started out the night just doing.
3441
02:59:13.680 --> 02:59:14.319
This little.
3442
02:59:15.959 --> 02:59:19.079
I guess what do you call it presentation of what
3443
02:59:19.239 --> 02:59:21.799
was going to happen and who the group was overall
3444
02:59:21.840 --> 02:59:23.840
and things like that, and then they'd split everyone up
3445
02:59:23.879 --> 02:59:27.840
into two big groups, and one group went up to
3446
02:59:27.920 --> 02:59:31.200
the second floor and the other group, which is when
3447
02:59:31.239 --> 02:59:33.120
I was in. My family and I were in we
3448
02:59:33.280 --> 02:59:36.879
stayed down in the basement and now this event it
3449
02:59:37.000 --> 02:59:42.360
was it was adults only. It was a basically this
3450
02:59:42.479 --> 02:59:46.360
group would would go around to different historic sites and
3451
02:59:47.239 --> 02:59:50.280
they would have events where they would charge money for tickets,
3452
02:59:50.920 --> 02:59:53.760
but all the money would go towards that location itself
3453
02:59:54.399 --> 02:59:58.000
for renovation and upkeep and preservation, which I thought was
3454
02:59:58.079 --> 03:00:00.479
really amazing, and I'm sure there's a the groups that
3455
03:00:00.559 --> 03:00:02.719
do that, but that was the first time I'd heard
3456
03:00:02.719 --> 03:00:08.040
of that myself. And so we went into this other
3457
03:00:08.200 --> 03:00:12.440
room in the basement and we all sat down and
3458
03:00:13.360 --> 03:00:15.200
they turned off all the lights in the room after
3459
03:00:15.239 --> 03:00:19.639
everyone was sitting down, and they had some different devices there,
3460
03:00:19.639 --> 03:00:22.399
and one of them was one of those devices that
3461
03:00:22.520 --> 03:00:25.719
picks up on changes in the environment. I forget now
3462
03:00:25.760 --> 03:00:29.879
what exactly the changes are, excuse me, but and it
3463
03:00:30.000 --> 03:00:33.200
was it would make words, supposedly out of those changes,
3464
03:00:33.280 --> 03:00:34.680
or it would pick up on words that are being
3465
03:00:35.159 --> 03:00:38.280
sent to it. And my first name came up a
3466
03:00:38.319 --> 03:00:43.120
couple of times, James, which you know, okay, fairly common name,
3467
03:00:43.200 --> 03:00:45.799
especially if you go for the back I imagine. But
3468
03:00:46.799 --> 03:00:49.000
we were all sitting down there listening and looking around.
3469
03:00:49.600 --> 03:00:51.079
Some of the people in the groups that they saw
3470
03:00:51.239 --> 03:00:54.799
lights floating around or moving around in the basement behind
3471
03:00:55.000 --> 03:00:56.920
where we were at because we were sitting in like
3472
03:00:56.959 --> 03:01:01.120
in a circle, and so I didn't see that, but
3473
03:01:01.920 --> 03:01:04.840
so there was there was stuff going on, possibly, you know.
3474
03:01:05.879 --> 03:01:08.920
And at one point we heard on the ground floor,
3475
03:01:08.920 --> 03:01:10.680
which is above us, which there was no one else
3476
03:01:10.840 --> 03:01:13.680
on that floor. Everyone else was on the second floor,
3477
03:01:14.239 --> 03:01:17.479
so there was one whole empty floor between us, except
3478
03:01:17.520 --> 03:01:22.280
we heard this little girl laughing and talking on the
3479
03:01:22.399 --> 03:01:23.000
ground floor.
3480
03:01:24.959 --> 03:01:26.600
And you had to go in there.
3481
03:01:26.719 --> 03:01:29.040
You had to go through a line, you know, to
3482
03:01:29.440 --> 03:01:32.600
get your your ticket registered, and you know, so it
3483
03:01:32.680 --> 03:01:35.399
wasn't like it was just open to anyone just to
3484
03:01:35.559 --> 03:01:40.319
walk in. So unless there was trickery, which I don't
3485
03:01:40.360 --> 03:01:43.719
feel like there was. We did some more investigations with
3486
03:01:43.879 --> 03:01:47.559
this group whenever we could. They seemed like they were,
3487
03:01:47.840 --> 03:01:50.360
you know, they were pretty genuine about what they were doing.
3488
03:01:52.200 --> 03:01:54.440
It seemed like we heard a voice of a little
3489
03:01:54.479 --> 03:01:57.639
girl on the ground floor of this house when we
3490
03:01:57.719 --> 03:02:00.079
were in the basement, and we couldn't make out what
3491
03:02:00.200 --> 03:02:02.000
she was saying, but we could definitely make out the laughing,
3492
03:02:02.079 --> 03:02:04.040
and it sounded like she was just having a great time.
3493
03:02:05.319 --> 03:02:09.520
And it was the most amazing thing because again, you know,
3494
03:02:09.760 --> 03:02:13.799
ruling out trickery from you know, the people involved, then
3495
03:02:13.879 --> 03:02:15.920
what are you love with I have no idea.
3496
03:02:17.239 --> 03:02:19.520
Yeah, I don't either. That's why we talk about this
3497
03:02:19.600 --> 03:02:22.079
stuff because who knows? Who knows? I can see a
3498
03:02:22.159 --> 03:02:24.600
lot of ways to consider this stuff. And that's exactly
3499
03:02:24.719 --> 03:02:27.879
the point, right you don't know what people have experienced,
3500
03:02:27.920 --> 03:02:31.479
and human experience is the key to this kingdom. And
3501
03:02:31.719 --> 03:02:34.559
that's why, however you wanted to find that, however you
3502
03:02:34.639 --> 03:02:36.600
want to look at it, That's exactly why we need
3503
03:02:36.639 --> 03:02:39.159
to talk to each other and why why we should
3504
03:02:39.200 --> 03:02:41.280
be a little more open minded. I think in terms
3505
03:02:41.319 --> 03:02:46.639
of trying to see what other people are experiencing sort
3506
03:02:46.639 --> 03:02:49.000
of in their mind's eye, the third eye, whatever, that
3507
03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:51.479
that type of stuff is happening, because there's a lot
3508
03:02:51.520 --> 03:02:54.719
of that going on, and it's not it's not it's
3509
03:02:54.760 --> 03:02:56.719
not new. This is this is old. This is a
3510
03:02:56.840 --> 03:02:59.920
shamanic experience. This is, you know, sort of breaking away
3511
03:03:00.079 --> 03:03:05.879
from the true reality to recognize possibly possibly a more
3512
03:03:06.040 --> 03:03:09.159
true reality. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
3513
03:03:09.159 --> 03:03:10.680
know the answers to that, but I do know that
3514
03:03:10.920 --> 03:03:12.479
there are a ton more questions as part of it.
3515
03:03:12.559 --> 03:03:15.600
But amazing stuff. Thank you for sharing that tale. That's amazing, James,
3516
03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:17.200
anythink that before I finish?
3517
03:03:18.280 --> 03:03:21.559
Well, No, just funny enough. That is I believe in
3518
03:03:21.639 --> 03:03:25.680
my new book, so along with the rest of things
3519
03:03:25.719 --> 03:03:30.200
that happened that in the house. So but yeah, just
3520
03:03:30.280 --> 03:03:31.760
thank you for having me on in great costs for
3521
03:03:31.840 --> 03:03:35.799
everyone tonight and looking forward to next time together.
3522
03:03:36.159 --> 03:03:39.479
You're the best, by the way, James salca Too Paranormal
3523
03:03:39.559 --> 03:03:41.959
is the name of his show, The Paranormal Expert of
3524
03:03:42.040 --> 03:03:43.879
Troubled Minds, A Dear Friend, all the rest of that
3525
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stuff that glue the show. You know, too many titles
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to regurgitate here. But he just released a book a
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couple of weeks back, a week, week, week whatever, very soon,
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very recent. Please go buy this book. It's five dollars
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for the digital version. It's ten dollars for the the
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actual physical copy. Got one right here, gonna show you
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check it out, buy it. Salcito Paranormal Experiences is what
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this is. And please please please help our friend, and
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not only that if you do, If you have purchased
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this book, thank you. I know many of you have,
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so thank you, thank you, thank you for that. I
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can't thank you enough for supporting us together as a group,
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and especially James here. The thing is this, if you've
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purchased this on Amazon, go leave him a good review
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because obviously, if you know anything about Amazon, that makes
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03:04:31.079 --> 03:04:35.239
the day go go. Yeah, so good reviews, please do that.
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Salcito Paranormal Experiences is the book. I got it right
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here as proof. Not only did he send me a
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free copy via PDF because I'm James's friend, ha, but
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I also bought it anyway because I'm also James's friend,
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03:04:46.799 --> 03:04:49.719
and so you should be too. Salcito Paranormal Experiences he
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03:04:49.840 --> 03:04:51.760
has not just his formative years in terms of his
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03:04:51.879 --> 03:04:55.280
first experiences regarding the paranormal with his cousin and whatnot.
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It goes into a great many more things beyond that
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as he just described. So do it, do it, do it?
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Go buy this book. Link's going to be in the
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description down well the trouble mindst Ford slash friends. It
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03:05:06.120 --> 03:05:08.280
says James here, follow James here. He's got a link
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tree with all that stuff. Please go buy it. It's look,
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03:05:10.959 --> 03:05:14.399
it's only five bugs digital, ten bucks physical. You can't
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03:05:14.440 --> 03:05:18.040
get a cheaper version of that to help friends, because
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03:05:18.120 --> 03:05:21.280
you know, sometimes it's thirty bugs or fifty bugs or
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03:05:21.280 --> 03:05:24.319
a hundred bucks, or it's ten bucks. It's ten bucks
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physical that James are the best. Appreciation my man, and
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03:05:27.000 --> 03:05:29.559
thanks for sitting in and being joning on the spot
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03:05:29.840 --> 03:05:31.760
and just thanks for being you, and thanks for writing
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the book and too many more, my friend.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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Glad to have you there. You go, check it out, there,
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you go, simple as that. Let's help each other. That's
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the point. We don't have to step on each other's
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03:05:44.600 --> 03:05:47.520
faces to get to the top. Let's collaborate instead of compete.
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And that's that's one of the most amazing, massive points
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of all of this is we don't have to be
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nasty to each other. That's it. Yeah, great stuff, great stuff,
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03:05:56.840 --> 03:06:00.520
great stuff. Appreciate all the calls tonight and all of
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the action and all of the wild ideas of the
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chat and all of the kind words, and yeah, thank you,
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03:06:06.399 --> 03:06:10.319
thank you for that. Sorry for Twitter x spaces, I
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clicked a thing and dicked it up, so that's on me.
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It says, it says you cannot reconnect to this space
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since you were already in this space. So there could
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be a thousand people down there for all I know.
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So it was the first time I've done all of
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this together inclusive, so next time we'll hopefully be better,
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So don't forget. For the time being, we're going to
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do Sunday Tuesday Thursday for the live shows, which will
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go the next day Monday, Wednesday, Friday, but on the
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03:06:38.760 --> 03:06:41.719
podcast feed. But Tuesday and Thursday we'll have short episodes
3584
03:06:41.760 --> 03:06:43.760
on the podcast feed as part of it, so you
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03:06:43.840 --> 03:06:46.239
will have content five days a week on the podcast feed.
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03:06:46.319 --> 03:06:48.879
So thank you. Shout out to the podcast listeners. You
3587
03:06:48.959 --> 03:06:51.200
are the lifeblood of the show. I appreciate you for
3588
03:06:51.520 --> 03:06:54.600
firing up firing up the Trouble Minds podcast every single
3589
03:06:54.680 --> 03:06:58.159
day and listening to all of our wild and amazing ideas.
3590
03:06:58.360 --> 03:07:00.680
Thank you for that. If you want to help Trouble Minds,
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03:07:01.280 --> 03:07:03.959
directly help our friends. As I say, it's the truth,
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03:07:04.079 --> 03:07:06.319
Trouble Mind's not reports last friends. A lot of amazing
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people down there, ninety eight percent that's free. Follow their
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YouTube channels, follow the things they're doing that. People are
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03:07:15.360 --> 03:07:18.959
selling books and you want some, you have some discretionary income,
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03:07:19.360 --> 03:07:21.760
spend it on their books. I'm not even saying spend
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03:07:21.760 --> 03:07:24.319
it on any spending on them first. Once you've done that,
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03:07:24.479 --> 03:07:27.000
that you want to help trouble Minds directly spread the word.
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03:07:27.200 --> 03:07:30.559
The most important thing is we overcome the algorithms as
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03:07:30.639 --> 03:07:34.440
a collective, as people speaking to each other with respect
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03:07:34.520 --> 03:07:36.840
and dignity and wild ideas and all the rest. As
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03:07:36.879 --> 03:07:41.200
it comes together, let people know there's something happening. Okay,
3603
03:07:41.479 --> 03:07:43.399
well we're not going to talk about who to vote for.
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03:07:43.879 --> 03:07:46.600
Politics comes up only very rarely and in the periphery.
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And this is different. We're different, and different is good.
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If you want to help trouble Minds directly and still
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have some more discretionary income, go check out troubledfans dot com.
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There's goodies and sweatrists coming up. I've got one coming.
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It'll be here today, tomorrow or probably tomorrow the next day,
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I don't know. I'll wear it and show you it's amazing.
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It's embroidered. It's like this logo right here behind us,
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very similar. And yeah, winter is coming. Buy your hoodies
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and sweatshirts. They are on troublefans dot com. You will
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not find Michael Stranger in a hot tub, but you
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will find the hottest troubled Minds merg around. But go
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check that out. And of course all the rest of
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the links are down below. If you want help with
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03:08:22.520 --> 03:08:25.200
a donation or a sponsorship of the show, all that
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03:08:25.239 --> 03:08:28.840
stuff is there. Thanks for being part of this. I'm
3620
03:08:28.879 --> 03:08:31.559
blessed and honored by your time and energy. That's exactly
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what this is all about. So thank you, thank you,
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03:08:33.120 --> 03:08:36.079
thank you for that. As we finish, it goes exactly
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like this. Be sure, be strong, be true. Thank you
3624
03:08:52.520 --> 03:08:57.520
for listening from our troubled minds to yours. Have a
3625
03:08:57.559 --> 03:08:58.000
great night.