Danielle Griffin┃Why High Achievement Without Nervous System Safety Leads to Burnout

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If you just take those few moments and you get
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your body and mind and alignment, you're actually able to
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be more productive. You know, you're not carrying around, like
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I said, so much of that stress intention that that
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might be actually slowing you down throughout the day.
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What if burnout isn't a sign that you're doing too much,
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but that your nervous system no longer feels safe. Today
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I sit down with somatic educator doctor Danielle Griffin to
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explore why high achievement can sometimes be a trauma response.
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We also discuss how stress becomes stored in the body
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and why lasting transformation begins by creating safety in your
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nervous system, not just changing your mindset. Hi, welcome to
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another episode of the Radical Responsibility Podcast. My name is
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doctor Bleed Mall your host, and I'm really happy to
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be here today with Danielle Griffin.
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Welcome, Danielle, Thanks for having me.
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Yeah, it's great to have you, and we have a
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lot of crossover between our work and the embodiment field,
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and I'm really looking forward to this conversation and exploring
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your book Semantic Exercise Made Simple with you and just
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this whole world of how we can really transform and
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optimize our lives on so many different levels by returning
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home to the body. So let's get right into it.
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So I'm going to share your background a little bit
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with our audience and then we'll jump right in.
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Okay, sounds great.
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Okay. So Doctor Danielle Griffin is the expert high achievers
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call when mindset work stops working. As a sematic educator
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with a doctorate and organizational leadership, she exposes the physiological
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costs of ambition, proving that you cannot think your way
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out of burnout if your nervous system is stuck in
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survival mode. Doctor Griffin bridges the gap between the boardroom
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and the body. She is a ted X speaker, certified hypnotherapist,
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and author of the sematic exercise Made Simple series. Her
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work challenges the hustle Harder narrative by teaching leaders how
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to release the chronic pain, trauma, and stress store their tissues.
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She doesn't just teach resilience, she teaches the physiology of safety,
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giving world class performers the tools to achieve peak success
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without physical sacrifice. She know we like to start our
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conversations off here on the Rack Responsibly podcasts for a
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little bit of a personal note and a little bit
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of your backstory. So I'm curious how you got into
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this and just your you know, your whole folks. That
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what I find myself talking about a lot these days
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and all the work I do, is that any kind
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of healing and transformational work and life optimization work has
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to begin with the really the bottom up felt experience
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of nervous system safety. And I don't necessarily mean cognitively
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top down telling ourselves or trying to convince ourselves that
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we're safe, but actually the experience of the nervous system
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feelings safe, that bottom up belt experience. And it sounds
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like that's what you're pointing to as well. So at
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what point in your life did you realize that? And
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that become important because in Western culture, we've all been
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pretty unculturated to be pretty disembodied, right, So you know,
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I think it's part of the human condition because we
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all have these supercomputers on our shoulders, so I think
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we naturally get fascinated with all that cognitive brilliance and activity,
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and of course we're very visually and auditorily oriented to
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the outside world to get our needs met and so forth.
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Maybe in earlier times when we lived out in the
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natural world without the protection of all the modern conveniences
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or even homes or cars and so forth, you kind
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of had to be more grounded, more in touch with
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the world, more in your body. But we can walk
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around pretty disembodied these days and get away with it,
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and most people kind of ignore the real home from
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the neck down, except when there's some kind of paint
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or discomfort. So when did it become evident for you
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that this was so important?
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Right? It really wasn't evident to me until my husband
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pointed it out to me. And at that time, we
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both had lost our fathers. This was just after the
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COVID pandemic. You were kind of coming out of things.
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I was working a job at the university, I had
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a business. I was teaching yoga as well, so doing
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all these things. Plus we just had another child. So
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compounding my grief with busy work and on this go
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go go path where I was burnt out and not
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giving myself the moments to breathe to really realize I
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was burnt out. I was getting about three hours of
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sleep each night, you know, going from here there everywhere,
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bringing my kids place is you work, like I said,
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working a full time job plus my business. And it
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wasn't until he said, like, hey, you're you're starting to
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look old. You know, it's starting to wear on you.
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You're not getting the proper rest.
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You know.
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I also had high blood pressure, some other chronic pain
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as well as some mental health issues, and it wasn't
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until that moment where I was able to push pose
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and just reflect, like, what's what's really going on in
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my life right now? This isn't the dream that I
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thought i'd be living. This isn't how I thought my
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life should be. You know, I've worked this hard to
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get to a certain point in my life, but I
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thought things would be a little bit different, you know,
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be happier, you know, I'd feel better, and none of
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those things were We're true.
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Wow, well wonderful that circumstances kind of conspire to bring
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you to that point, to your husband helping to point
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that out. So, you know, this idea of being achievers
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high achievers, many of us probably think of ourselves that way,
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and hopefully there is some healthy way to challenge ourselves
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to keep evolving and you know, accomplished things, challenge ourselves
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as growing flat personally, I think all as beings, even
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as life forms, were designed to evolve and grow and
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thrive and so forth. Unfortunately, we often do that from
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a place of black. Right, I'm not enough, so I
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got to prove myself to myself in the world somehow.
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So underlying the high achiever thing, right, I think you
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point out that this could actually be a trauma response,
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that what we think of is maybe a positive thing
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of being I'm a higher achiever, could actually be a
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response to unresolved trauma.
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Yeah, exactly. You know, for me, it wasn't necessarily just
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the loss and the grief that we experienced. I was
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definitely a part of it. Also relocated my mother during
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that period, but I also had some workplace trauma that
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I was dealing with and which contributed to my work
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related high achievement, you know, feeling like, like you mentioned
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that I'm not enough or I'm having to prove myself constantly,
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having to get into alignment and what my real goals were,
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you know, what do I want for my life personally
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and professionally? And I never taken the opportunity to assess
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how the work that I was doing was actually impacting me.
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Mentally and physically. And it wasn't until I learned about
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you know, somatic therapy, the hypnotherapy, where I was able
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to take that step back really start to embody, you
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see how these external factors were physically impacting me, really
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start to visualize how I wanted to move forward and
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what was actually going to make me feel good and
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how I could present myself in a way for my
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family as well as my work and my business that
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was truly good for me holistically.
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So you pointed to your experience of loss and your
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need to grieve and the whole impact of the grieving process.
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I've had some very significant losses in my life, including
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losing my son, So I don't know what you've been through,
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but I have a sense. And you also point to
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workplace traumas. And of course almost none of us escaped
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childhood without some kind of right they sometimes called small
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T or big T trauma or both. Right, none of
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us get through childhood unscathed, really, especially in this modern culture.
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And also I mean this need to prove ourselves. I
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would imagine there's you know, kind of a gender and
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racial element to that in terms of being a woman
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in a society being a black woman in the society
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of maybe feeling and possibly unconstously internalizing that I have
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to work harder, I have to prove myself.
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Yeah. Yeah, that definitely goes back to the workplace trauma.
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Pretty much. Ever since I was in a professional setting,
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you know, after college, which for me was back in
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two thousand and six when I finished my undergraduate there
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had always been things that had made me feel like,
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you know, oh, you don't have enough education. You need
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more degrees in order to move up, especially working in
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the field of higher education, You're not able to be
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in a leadership role unless you have a doctorate, so
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that being a goal of mine, which I have obtained,
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and then still oh, well, you know you still don't
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have this, or oh we're going to give it to
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this person, or you know.
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The the mishtreatment, you know, lack of trust even though
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I'm one of the people with the most experienced or
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the most year's experience, things of that nature, and constantly
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trying to pivot and figure out, well, how do I.
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Get to a point where I can actually move up.
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And it was when I was working on my doctorate
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degree where I did the research. You know, I literally
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did research so that I could figure out how to
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get in a place where I could feel successful. And
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you know, this was before I learned about stematics, like
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what my definition of success was and interviewing people, you know,
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understanding what their definitions and success was and how they
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actually got there. And it wasn't until I finished that
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research and my degree where I realized, you know, what
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I think is success or what I want, you know,
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at least in higher education isn't for me. You know
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that the way that they got there isn't necessarily how
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I want to get to my version of success. And
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it wasn't until I actually started talking to people and
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I start to expand how I see my life in
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that way professionally, and then you know, kind of going
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through more, you know, the personal traumas where those things,
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my work and personal life started to become into more alignment.
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So at some point you realize that things weren't working.
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The path you're on wasn't really working for you the
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way it hoped you'd hoped it would, and you'd be
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exploring somatic therapies and no therapy and so forth, and
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so I wonder to think they talk just a little
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bit about as I mentioned, you know, I think in
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modern culture, I would say the West, but I think
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it's pretty global these days. In modern culture, we we
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lead pretty disembodied lives. In fact, I have a friend
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who has said that in Western culture, or I think
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you could say the same about modern culture altogether, the
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body has been relegated to being nothing more than a
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brain taxi, something to carry around, the supercomputer on our shoulders, right,
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and so they need to come to come back into
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the body. But before we talk about all the ways
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that we can do that, what are some of the
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costs of being disconnected from our bodies?
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Yeah, I mean some of the initial things that we
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start to see, which are things that people often ignore,
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you know, like I mentioned that I had high blood pressure.
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You know, I start to develop some chronic pain like
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in my neck and should older in my back. You know,
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I often would attribute it to other things as well
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as just ignoring and oh it, we'll go away, you know,
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if I just need some more rest, right, you know,
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eventually it can transition into emotional reactivity. You know, you're
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carrying around this this weight, this mental and physical pain, stress,
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and it starts manifesting itself as you know, negativity, or
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you know, being overly emotional, crying about things that we
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may not normally cry about, or angry about things, or
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lashing out on other people when what we're angry about
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isn't even related to to them. So those are some
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of the kind of the initial things. And especially in
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the workplace, I've seen seen all of it, you know,
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people yelling at other people, treating people in ways that
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you know we necessarily wouldn't want to be treated, but
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we use the excuse, oh, well, I'm just stressed, I'm
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just burnt out, you know. But there's things that we
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can do to manage that.
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Yeah, you know, there's something in psychology. You are probably
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familiar with the idea of the pain paradox. You know,
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we we we kind of instinctly want to move away
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from pain, avoid pain, push it away, not experience it.
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And we're we have a big preference for comfort and
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pleasure and so forth, but actually real healing and transformations
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on the other side of being willing to feel pain,
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and so again we generally ignore most of us until
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we do differently ignore the body and except when there's
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some pain there and then we don't want to feel that, right,
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So we want to numb it out, take a pill.
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In the society and the culture in the marketplace is saying,
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don't feel pain, don't feel discomfort, to take a pill,
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do this, do that, distract yourself whatever, right, And so
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we tend to ignore that, and we see pain as
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a album. And I think you've said that the pain's
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not really a problem, it's just a signal. And and
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if we're experiencing pain, it's good news, means we're live,
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and it's and it's just data. It's our body communicating
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to us, and we ignore that that communication in our
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own Paeril, I make the analogy like in our car,
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if we keep ignoring all, you know, these little noises
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start happening, and then the worst noises, and we keep
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ignoring it, ignoring and ignoring it, well, pretty soon we
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find ourselves on the side of the road calling for
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a pickup truck. Right. Well, for us as human beings,
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that might be an ambulance on the way to the hospital. Right. So,
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so we really need to listen to the body, and
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the body knows and and the other aspect of it is, uh,
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you know, in terms of all the lifestyle issues of
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what do we eat, how much do we eat, when
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do we exercise, whether we do this, how much rest?
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we'll listen to it. Right, But when we're disembodied, we
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end up making a lot of decisions up here in
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the head that are really not in our own interest,
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often not in the interest of others. And collectively we're
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making a lot of decisions that aren't in the interest
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of our home, the mother Earth. Right, So this whole
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thing of being disembodied has cascading costs that extrapolaid out.
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lot of our individual community, social ills, global problems as
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stemming from this issue of disembodiment. So, so how do
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we ship that begin listening to the body and then
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you know, come back into a relationship with the body
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in such a way that we can do our healing
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work and really develop a new basis from which to
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live our lives.
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Yeah, I think mostly it takes us slowing down. You know,
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we live in such a fast paced world. We move
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from one thing to another so quickly. We might have noticed,
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you know, oh I have a slight pain in my shoulder.
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five hours straight and not moving a lot and typing.
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I'm just going to keep going. I'm just going to
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push through it, and you know, once I stop, it
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will go away. But we don't realize how much time
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we actually waste throughout the day and how little time
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it actually takes to release some of that tension, to
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start to embody how we feel, understand where some of
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that pain, discomfort, emotions are coming from. And if we
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just you know, breathe and look within, we can release
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it and it takes less time than it would if
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we're if we wait and end up in the hospital
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or the doctor's office because we ignored it. You know,
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the more we continue to ignore it, like you said,
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the worse it gets. But once our body starts to
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send those signals, it's best for us to, you know, individually,
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holistically treat it on our own when we start to
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feel it. You know, if if we push pause, take
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a moment. Okay, I have you know, back to back meetings,
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but you know, let me find just a few moments
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between those meetings, even if it's you know, I encourage
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people to start off what I call a ninety second pause,
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even if it's just ninety seconds, so I can decompress, breathe,
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release some of the stress, and mentally focus on what
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my next step is, how I want to move forward
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that is transformational in itself, and starting to train our
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minds and bodies to do that consistently throughout the day,
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whether it's you know, first thing in the morning when
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we wake up, or in the evening before we go
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to sleep, so we can get a full, RESTful night's
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sleep that can save lives.
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I know that you've spoken about in relating with our body,
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and when we experience this comfort or pain of any kind,
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rather than just falling into the usual avoidance or suppressing problem,
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actually just get curious. I think I love that because
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I think curiosity is such as an antecdote to so
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many things in life, right because we're kind of I know,
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it's kind of a human condition that we develop our
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opinions and our biases, and this is the way it is,
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and I know this is the way it is, and
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we all become a little bit closed mind in one
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or another area of our lives until we don't write
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and someone us more than others. But it's something in
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the human condition, and so anytime we just stop and
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get curious, oh do going on? What is going on?
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I mean, it's such an anecdote to so many of
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the of our ills, right and in terms of the body,
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that can be the pathway into an incredible journey of
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coming home and being in relationship. I mean, this is
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our for better or worse. This is our home for
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our this entire lifespan, right and right. You know, we
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don't know what's going to happen after definitely have different ideas,
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different religions and philosophies, and but we know, at least
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for this lifetime, this is our home. And how many
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people go through their entire life and really never get
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to know their own body.
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Yeah, quite a few people. And I believe you know,
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like you said, people have you know, either their biases
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or misconceptions. But I think it's a lot of it
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is out of fear. You know, if I if I
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take the moment to feel and you breathe into the
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space and have awareness of how I'm physically feeling, you
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know what's going to happen. You know, am I going
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to run into something you know, more serious?
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And people are afraid of the more serious. But if
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we start to address it and start to understand our
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bodies and how we feel and notice the difference. You know,
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when after my father had passed. You know, my my
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best client, if you will, is my mother. She's and yeah,
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she dealt with a lot of that, you know, physical
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pain and stress because she did a lot of the
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caretaking for my dad when he had cancer, and so
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she had to learn and it's still learning or unlearning,
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if you will, in some ways, the difference in how
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certain pain versus discomfort feels. You know, even sometimes people
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when people are just doing a simple stretch, Oh that hurts,
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Like does it hurt or is it just a little
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uncomfortable because you haven't released the tension, Like starting to identify,
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you know, even the doctor's office, like what's the pain scale? Right,
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you know, similar concept, but really starting to identify the
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level of comfort versus when is something is in pain
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and versus how does this feel in this moment? When
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don't you feel that way? When do you feel that way?
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And starting to really understand that so you can know
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and also having better relationships with our physicians in that way,
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so that we can clearly communicate what's going on when
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we do need to see a doctor, versus saying, oh,
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just everything hurts. Well, it's really hard to diagnose somebody
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that just says everything hurts and really starting to understand
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how it feels and knowing, you know, if we're practicing
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these things on a regular basis, knowing, Okay, I felt
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this way this day, but now it feels completely different.
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I know something isn't right because I usually feel this way.
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Yeah, I think, not only are so many of us
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really disconnected from our bodies, maybe without really realizing it,
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but to the extent we have a relationship with our body.
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As you're mentioning, it's helf and fear based. You're kind
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of afraid, Like I, if I pay attention more there,
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maybe there's something going on, maybe I have an illness.
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Maybe you know, we're all afraid, you know, the big
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C and all that kind of thing, and so we
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tend to have this which is really, you know, doesn't
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make sense at all. I mean, we need to have
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a fear based relationship with our own body, right, I
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can see how we get there, but it's just that,
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you know, and you mentioned earlier in our conversation, you
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just very briefly kind of alluded to a connection between
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physical pain and then emotional energy. And so that's if
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we start paying more attention in our body and tune
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into physical discovery, we'll get curious about it. There might
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be some underlying not always some things can be purely
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physical in sense, but sometimes there's a connection between our
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emotions and physical symptoms and physical pain. And of course
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our emotional body physical body are completely interconnected, and we
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experience emotion in the body, right, So why don't you
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know not only do we have a tendency and our
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culture has kind of encouraged us to avoid physical discomfort, right,
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but boy have we been encouraged to avoid emotional discomfort?
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Oh?
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Yes, definitely it's unfortunately especially men, are you know?
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Absolutely? Yeah, we have two emotions, right, pissed off and
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beer were emotion?
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Maybe sleep too, if that's an impression. But yeah, if again,
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it goes back to slowing down. And when we start
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to have that awareness, we can say, Okay, when I
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had this conversation with this person, or I was preparing
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for this meeting, I felt the tension build up. I
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felt the nervousness in my stomach, or the you know,
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wet beating, I felt the back pain, you know, or
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you know, I had an argument with somebody and I
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felt muscle cramping in my forearms. But if we don't
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take the time to have that awareness, we can continue
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to carry that the stress and the tension or whatever
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the symptoms are that we had from those emotions forward.
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We never actually release it. It continues to bind up in
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various parts of our body wherever we're holding it, until
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we start to say, oh, you know what, my shoulders
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have been in my ears for the last month, Let
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me start to relax, let me start to breathe, Like,
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do I notice a shift? You know when I look
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at myself in the mirror in the morning, Hey, I
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woke up and my shoulders are a little bit lower,
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you know, because I did some breathing exercises and some
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mobility based moved and observed how I felt instead of
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just grabbing my phone and hopping out the bed immediately.
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You know, learning how our bodies work, learning how our
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bodies move and react to our environment. You know, I'm
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a big proponent of ergonomics as well, you know, having
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an ergonomic workspace, especially so that we can support you know,
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our physical being and not carry so much of that
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tension around day to day. We can. It's another way
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of helping our bodies to release some of the tension.
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So several times you've said that, really the answer or
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the answer begins with slowing down. Now, there may be
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a lot of people, honest, I don't want to hear that.
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I mean, Teeve, what can I do while I keep going,
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I gotta charge it. I slow down, I'm going to
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get behind. I won't be competitive, I won't keep up. Right,
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life is going faster and faster now with artificial intelligence,
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it seems like it's spinning out of control. So slow down.
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And I think also some so that the experience, and
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it's probably our own personal mythology, but we think, you know,
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we started to feeling cold, but we just pushed through
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and we just kept charging harder and somehow we got
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through it c on bulletproof, you know. But a few
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times we stopped and slow down, then we actually got sick. Right,
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So you're telling me to slow down, I'm I'm going
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to fall apart if I slow down, right, It's kind of.
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Scary, yeah, but I challenge people to recognize that if
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you just take those few moments and you get your
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body and mind and a lotignment, you're actually able to
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be more productive. You know, you're not carrying around, like
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I said, so much to that stress and tention that
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that might be actually slowing you down throughout the day.
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You know, how many times do we hit a wall,
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you know, when we're trying to be productive and work
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and like, I'm so distractive. I've you know, jumped back
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and forth to TikTok and Instagram ten times while I've
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trying to work on this project. But I need to
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keep going. I need to finish it. Well. How much
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has going on those websites or apps distracted to you?
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How much time have we actually taken to do that
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when you could have did a reset, you know of
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physical reset and refresh your mind and body to finish
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the work and be productive and get things done. You know,
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people are afraid also that this work will take too
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much time out of their day, Especially when I hear
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the word exercise, we vatately think of the gym and oh,
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I need to spend an hour doing this, but short stints.
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You know, listen, a ninety second pause between meetings, you know,
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three five minutes, ten minutes in the morning, you know,
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you know, if you're really zealous, thirty minutes. But if
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we don't necessarily need that to release some of the
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tension that we're carrying or get in touch with our
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physical and emotional being, it doesn't take that long, and
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we'd be surprised. Sometimes it feels like, oh, I've been
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here for an hour and you really haven't. So it's
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also in a way an exercise of time awareness.
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Yeah. So, Danielle, this is the Radical Responsibility Podcast. So
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you know, we have this perspective on ownership, sovereignty, personal agency,
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and so forth, and so I wonder if we could
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look at that a little bit even in terms of
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our own nervous system, our body altogether as well as
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our nervous systems. So one major part of our nervous
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system is the autonomic nervous system, as I know you're
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well aware, and it has these two branches, the up
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regulating sympathetic brands that are down regulating relaxation on our
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parasympathetic brands that are both happening all the time, and
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a lot of us spend too much with time and
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too much sympathetic activation. We need it for alertness, but
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then it goes into stress and overwhelm and all that. Right,
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And so you know, we all kind of live in
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this interface between our childhood conditioning and programming, and we
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our brains are highly programmed by our early childhood experience
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and then the world around us. And so if our
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childhoods were perfect, and that's probably not true for most
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of us, and if the world was just this bubble
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of benevolence ease, you know, then maybe we could just
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live in there without taking much ownership and things might
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work out. But that's not the case, right most for
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most of us, our childhood conditioning is a mixed bag.
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Hopefully there's some really good stuff there, but maybe some
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stuff that kind of can get in our way. And
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the world is certainly not a bubble of penelopolence. It's
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very challenging, and ever more so so we're often and
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they're just kind of getting, you know, battered around until
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we figure out how to take ownership or navigating that
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space to actually regulate our own nervous system. So I
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wonder if you could talk about that, about the fact
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that we can actually have more personal agency in what's
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going on with our nervous system.
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Yeah.
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I think through doing the exercises, you know, the breath work,
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meditation and movement, you know, instilling that practice into our lives,
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we start to learn how to down regulate. We start
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to learn how, you know, learn when we're reacting, when
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we're in that stress response state. Because now we have
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that comparison, we know what it feels like to be relaxed.
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We know what it feels like to decompress, to relieve tension,
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so we know immediately what it feels like when we
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start to wind up again. And until we start to
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practice how that feels, whether it's you know, through a
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guided session or doing it on our own. You know,
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we're all in different places and our needs are different.
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You know, I hear a lot like, oh, I don't
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know how to you meditate? I get distracted so easily.
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Those might be people that need, you know, a recording
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or a guide where other people may be able to
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just listen to their bodies and start to relax. It's
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a process. We have to learn how to do it.
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It's our innate ability has been deactivated because of all
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of the electronics and things around us, we stopped to
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stop listening to our own bodies and mind. And until
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we take a moment to start to listen and start
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to relax and release, we don't know that we're in
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that constant stress state. You know. I've had so many
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conversations with people and they forgot what it feels like
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to not be stressed, to not be in that go
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go go state that is life for them, And so
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they forget that they are stressed, that they are burnt out,
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that they are in that fight or flight state because
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they've been in it so long they don't even have
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a good frame of reference to the last time they
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felt you know, normal, And really for that's where I
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come in, you know, with the hypnota are so that
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they can start to you know, turn back the hands
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of time, if you will, to reflect them when life
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felt like that? What does it feel to be in
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that relaxed state? And then once you feel it, the
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body doesn't want to go back to to that stress state,
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not willingly, you know, it wants to feel that that goodness,
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that the good indorpens, you know it it's pleasing mentally
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and physically. And so once you have that baseline and
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you've reprogrammed your mind and body is like, hey, this
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is how I should feel. We want to start to
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do it more. We want to start to build a
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pattern to allow ourselves to feel that way.
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Yeah, Danielle, as you've been describing, if we are in
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the body and relationship with the body, we're going to
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feel what's going on. But we kind of learned to
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not feel, or we normalize. We're amazingly good at just
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normalizing things and adapting to things. Right. So I do
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a lot of work with first responders, law enforcement, corrections professionals,
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and you know, they live in a world work in
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the world where it's just super high stress exposure barely
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usually insufficiently managed and thus chronic stress and trauma exposure
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ble primary and secondary. And you know when they get tested,
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they get a cortisol SLAVA test or any other blood
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tests or any markers. I mean, every indication is that
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they're living way up in that stress zone. But unless
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it's an off the charts crazy day, if you ask
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them are you stressed out to say no, I feel fine,
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And yet if you test them, you realize their heart
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rate variability is way down, and you know, coursol levels
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are super high, and adrellaline order one other markers of
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stress are way up there. But they get used to it.
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And not only do we get used to it, it
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becomes our new normal. We almost get addicted to it
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because whatever neurochemical mixes in our brain, most of the
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time we adapt to that. We get used to that, right,
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and so yeah, so it it really it's what I
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like what you're pointing to it. You know, a tool
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like hypnotherapy or you mentioned meditation, breadth work, anything that
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can help us rediscover the experience of what we're meant
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to feel, like, oh oh I forgot, you know. And
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then if we can have enough that that can become
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a new the new normal, the new baseline. And then
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as you're describing, then when we start to get all
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wound up and starts out, we go, okay, well I
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got to do some here, right and stop. Take that
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ninety minute reset pause or whatever it might be. So
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as we begin to work with very somatic practices, you know,
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in the world of personal growth, personal development work, and
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even ostensibly somatic work, it's often still very mentally focused,
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you know, and the mind stuff can be really good.
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I mean, just work on mindset affirmations, you know, reframing,
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cognitive reframing. There's lots of things we can do with
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our mind that can be very helpful. But if we're
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only doing that, and if we're trying to direct what
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we think is somatic work mostly from the mind, I
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think we're missing something there. And so if you could
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talk about how do we actually bring the work into
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the body and work a little more bottom up than
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so much top down, which is kind of where we
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inevitably start, because that's where we've been living, right.
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Yeah, Well, from your example with the first responders, I
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often challenge people that you feel like they're not stressed,
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but are constantly in stress states. Oftentimes there's you know,
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a signal or something that we're carrying with us that
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wasn't happening before that is happening now.
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You know.
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One example for me, I years ago used to lifeguard
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and being in that constant stress state, you know, watching
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my water, you know, doing rescuing, I developed a nervous
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tick and it it was there even when I wasn't
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watching my water. Was because I would constantly scan. I
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would notice if I was kind of feeling stressed or
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you know, just in stressful situation, my head would tick
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this way like I was scanning my water. And I
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did that for years after, you know, going through college,
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you know, being in that you know, college environment, stressful exams,
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my head would tick. I didn't associate it with it
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for a long time, with the work that I did.
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I just like, oh, this, I guess it's just my
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life now. I just have this movement. But until I
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finished school and out of that stress state, then that
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tick response stopped. Later on, once I was in a
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professional environment, I developed an eye twitch from stress. The
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eye twitch didn't stop for several years. Also stress response.
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So oftentimes we will have small stress responses like that
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that we just you know, disassociate, but until we start
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to do some of the body work, the movement, Okay,
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I'm feeling the stress in and behind my eyes. How
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do I release it? What movement you know is it
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even though it's related to you know, the stress that
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I'm feeling. Can I do some mobility based exercises in
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my jaw my net to decompress, release some of the tension,
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let go of some of that that I'm feeling, and
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we start to feel a shift. You know, we start,
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the response, may not go away immediately. Might maybe we'll
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stop for a few minutes, a few days, hours. You know,
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it will grow as we continue to do the body work.
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But if we ignore it, it will maintain and you know,
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just becomes a part of our daily lives if we will.
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But those aren't normal, you know, responses or normal parts
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of our our our physical being, their their stress response,
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their tension responses, muscle, you know, aching and you know
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like carrying that that emotional and physical tension in parts
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of our body. You know, it might be cramping in
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our arms, it might be restless leg syndrome at night.
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You know, it can vary for for everybody. And finding
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the movement, the exert, you know, the specific exercise to
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target those areas to help relieve some of those symptoms.
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You know, and again by paying attention to these signals.
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You know, like you said, you developed that tick from
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lifeguard scanning. I mean, that's so familiar on the first
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responders I work with. You know, they developed hyper vigilance
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and they can't even be on vacation without you know,
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constantly scanning. Right. And and also you gave me a
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little bit of a flashback as well, because in many,
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many decades ago, when I was younger and I was
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in a pretty high stressed situation, I developed an eye
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twitch for a while, Yeah, for about a year. And
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so if we pay attention to these signals, though, this
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is the body communicating with us, as you've said, and
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this can I think begin to you know, if we
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get curious about that, then the box body has all
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the wisdom everything we know. I mean, there's so many
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wonderful body mind disciplines out there, and all the energy
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work and you know, the things from the martial arts
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she going and tell you, and there's so many Hypno,
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there's so many different beautiful kinds of body work. I
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think it's helpful to remember that they were all developed
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by people who got curious about their body. I mean,
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going back thousands of years, we have all these amazing
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this one. They were all developed by people who just
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got curious about the body, and the body basically taught them, uh,
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these these skills. Right, So I wonder how you think
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of that. Where do you think of the body as
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the teacher for how to learn to rebalance our lives?
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Yeah, I definitely agree with that. You know that was
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essentially how I you know, fell into the practice initially
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of yoga, you know, being able to stop to listen
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to my body. You know, after I had my second son.
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You know, like many women, our instincts are you know, oh,
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I need to start working out, trying to get back
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in shape, get my body back. But anytime I would
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do any other activity, I literally felt like a train wreck.
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You know. It did not feel like I was making
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a positive impact on my physical being. And so it
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took some time to realize I needed something a little different,
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something more gentle, that allow me to you know, get
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my flexibility back as well as build strength and you know,
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some inner piece as well. And that's how I became
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a yoga instructor. I had practiced yoga prior to that,
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but that's what brought me back to yoga versus doing
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some high intensity interval training or things of that nature.
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But it's you know, those like you mentioned, those types
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of practices that allow us the opportunity to slow down
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and not just going through the motions, not just a
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physical exercise where you're doing ten reps, you three sets,
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you know, all of those things. So listen to your
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body to tell what this practice will say? How much
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do I actually need? How long do I actually need
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to sit here with it?
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Yeah, we've all been in called. Even in the world
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of exercise, you know, the performance ambition creeps in and
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there's a tendtion to want to override the body, right,
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one more rep another set right when the body is
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saying no, I think we're good there, you know. Yeah,
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So let's talk just a little bit at for a
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moment about the issue of identity. So I think one
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of the biggest barriers to change can be our present identity.
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And I you know, we all kind of have a
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pretty strong need for having an identity until we don't.
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I mean, as a process of growing up when we're
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little kids, we have to develop some sense of identity
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to navigate this world. And hopefully we can hold that
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a little lighter as we go forward in our lives.
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But you know, I've heard so many people say, well,
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that's just the whoy I am. I've always been that way.
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I can't imagine being any different. You know, that's just
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who I am. You're asking me to change who I am.
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And I usually tell people know that none of that
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stuff is really who you are. It's all just conditioning
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you know who you are something much more profound than that.
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Is somebody else told you you should be.
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And so I wonder, you know, as what your experience
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has been working with clients as they begin to embrace
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this work to this work, how their identity actually shifts,
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and then how that can Just to give you an example,
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I know, you know, I've smoked in my twenties and thirties,
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and I struggled trying to quit. I you know, I
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knew it wasn't good for me. I was trying to quit,
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and I'd quit for six months, start up again, and
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it wasn't really untill I shifted my identity from being
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someone who liked to smoke but was quitting because I
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knew it was bad for me to really shifting my
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identity to where I'm a non smoker and actually smoking.
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It's kind of like a little disgusting, right, So you
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know then that no problem. It would then you know
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it was no problem after that. So identity can be
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really powerful.
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Yeah, I think that can be a big thing to
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overcome for some people, initially before they want to try
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it right and when they feel like they're going to
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be changing who they are. That's where that fear comes
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in right there. And the part of it is the
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misconception of you know, the practice or the direction that
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they're they're taking that they want to take with their lives,
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where they think that they're going to be versus who
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they actually are and will be on the other side.
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And part of that is that that shift as well,
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you know, I've seen it time and time again. They
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and that was one of the main reasons why I
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got into this practice and why well at least why
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I wanted to share the practice, not necessarily got into it,
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but why I wrote the book because of all the people,
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especially women like me, who are like, oh, well, I
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I'm not a yogi, I'm not flexible, I'm not sure
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you know, I'm not this, you know, super holistic, you know,
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hippie dippy type person, you know, and I don't want
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to be those things, right, you know. They have these
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preconceived notions about what that person is, what they look like,
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their lifestyle. But I wrote the book and shared the
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knowledge to challenge people's perceptions their biases on what that is,
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what this practice is, what it looks like, as well
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as the person who does this work, and so that's
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kind of one of my main goals. And you know,
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getting out there and educating people because everybody, everybody needs it.
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Everybody needs to get in touch with their their inner selves,
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their physical being. And we all deserve that opportunity. We
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all deserve the opportunity to push pause and recognize how
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we're feeling, how our environment is making us feel, how
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we can release some of it, and what we can
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do on our own to make ourselves feel better. We
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all deserve that, and it's not relegated to specific types
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of people. We all have that power and capability. We
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all can have control ownership of our minds and bodies.
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I love what you said there about I can quote
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you exactly what you said, something about getting in touch
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with our physical body and our inner being, something like that.
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And so for me, in the work I do and
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teach in a way I take meditation and so forth,
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I see the body is really the vehicle for going
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into the very depths of our being. Right, and you
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know a lot of us tend to separate well being
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and spirit is out there somewhere in the body that's physical,
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and I think that's part of the Western more Sky
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God culture. You know that spirit and God is out
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there somewhere, and you know, the earth and the body
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is kind of denigrated almost and traditional feminine culture and
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indigenous culture has really had a different view of that.
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And you know, obviously, I think anybody who studies cross
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culturally and phlospiply, you know, it's all interconnected. It's not
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above them, but it's all interconnected. But I think the
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body the thing about taking the body as a portal
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in the going into because what we start with the
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experience of the gross physical body, and we tap into
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the inner sensate experience of the body, We're going from
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gross physical sensation as subtler and subtler and subtler sensation.
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We get into what the Eastern traditions called subtle bodies
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subtle mind. Pretty soon we're getting into the depths of
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being in spirit. But when we take the body as
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the pathway instead of something that can kind of leap
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frog us into some trans personal experience like a psychedelic
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or some spontaneous spiritual experience, nothing wrong with those experiences,
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but when we take the body as the vehicle to
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go into the depths of our being along the way,
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we're literally transforming our neural architecture so that now we
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have direct access to that. It really becomes who we are.
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We have It's not just some extraordinary experience we had
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one time, but it really becomes something that's successful to
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us all the time. So I love that you made
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that connection. We're getting kind of towards the end of
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our time here, but one you know, I think a
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lot of people in our audience, Danielle are you know
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are probably kind of high achievers, hyper performers, a lot
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of entrepreneurs, a lot of leaders, and I know you
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work with entrepreneurs and leaders and business leaders. So what
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might be just a couple of a couple of maybe
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brief practices or practical strategies that that people could get
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started with that just to take that ninety second pause
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or however long, or what might some simple steps somebody
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might take in the midst of their very busy life
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to at least begin opening to this kind of work.
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Yeah, Well, like you mentioned that, the ninety second pause
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is where I encourage people and the three pieces breath work, meditation,
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and movement. You start to breathe into the body and
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we don't even need a timer per se again, it's
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about awareness when you're framing it in those three pieces right. Essentially,
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it's about thirty seconds for each aspect. But do it
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as much as your body tells you to. It needs,
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you know, taking some deep breasts. You don't have to
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be a breath work expert to breathe right, just learning
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to breathe in and out. You can practice different techniques,
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you know, the box breath or four seven eight, whatever
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makes you feel good in that moment, whatever your body
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is telling you to needs. And then start to release,
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let the muscles relax, you know, call it progressive relaxation.
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You know, you can start from the top down. You know,
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what does it feel like when my jaw starts to
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relax and my shoulders you know, my release, and my
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chest and my back you know, all the way flowing
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all the way down to our toes right, and then
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where do you see feel a shift? You know, did
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you feel your shoulders fall or did you not feel
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a shift in certain areas that you were hoping you
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are you still feeling some discomfort or tension in certain
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air is and doing some movement in that space. Maybe
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it's your shoulders, maybe it's some gentle twists of your
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back and spine to the left and right. And then
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once you've done some of that and it starts to
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feel good, you feel that release. You're just taking a
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few moments to sit with it, you know, being aware
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of that shift. Where did you start and how did
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you finish? How do you feel? When do you want
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to do it again?
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Wonderful? Absolutely wonderful. And that's just so pragmatic. And as
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you said, any of us can, but we we actually
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do waste quite a bit of time, usually even high achievers.
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It would be surprised how much. But regardless, we can
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all find ninety seconds to begin and again exploring some
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of these these So thank you so much for this.
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This has been really really pragmatic and insightful, and so
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Danielle Griffin, the author of Sematic Exercise made simple. Where
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can people find out more about your work? About you
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at work?
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Yeah, you can check out my website Doctor Danielgriff dot com.
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My books are on my website as well as on
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Amazon dot com, as well as on pretty much every
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social media platform at doctor Daniel Griff.
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Great, and we'll have all that information in the show
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notes for our listeners. And so thank you so much
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for being on the Radical Responsibility Podcast.
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Thanks for having me appreciate it.
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Okay, you take good care. Thank you for joining me
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on the Radical Responsibility Podcast. Remember, real change happens when
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we commit to our growth, face our challenges with compassion,
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