Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328

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Today's show:

Jason's been saying it for years now (and we've got an All In clip from 2023 to prove it). Open source will win the AI race. This week gives us a major evidence point, as $11B legal AI company Harvey released its own in-house model, trained on an open-weight Kimi K3 base. Harvey made a proprietary specialized solution without having to risk sharing its precious expert-compiled data with the major frontier labs.

PLUS we're checking out the FREE AI dictation app Willow with co-founder Allan Guo, and finding out how he plans to compete with giants like Wispr Flow and Apple. AND we've got the Stanford student who built an automated golf cart and gave luminaries like Jensen Huang and Sam Altman rides around campus.

Guests

Allan Guo on X: https://x.com/_allanguo

Willow: https://willowvoice.com/

Ethan Goodhart: https://x.com/EthanGoodhart

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Relevant Links

CNBC: OpenAI "will be a public company in 2027": https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html

OpenAI Zero Data Retention Pledge: https://openai.com/index/our-commitment-to-zero-data-retention

TWIST (June 2026): Jason comments on OpenAI and training data: https://youtu.be/o3eow1nTrcI?si=orungk7OmplOuyio&t=742

All In podcast (Feb 2023): Jason comments on open source vs. frontier models: https://youtu.be/PVgBWV2bvLs?si=j6y7sHS0wx9q09oa&t=5173

Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/

Harvey Tenet Research Preview: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet

Fireworks AI: https://fireworks.ai/

Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/

Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/

Nvidia Jetson Thor: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/jetson-thor/

OpenAI shares Wind golf cart clip: https://www.tiktok.com/@openai/video/7645336713472134431

Starlink Mini: https://starlink.com/mini-product-us?srsltid=AfmBOorzM7arxhdzYAdDpH6RGD4LLg9WV_BFnEoLuYieuHuGSCjQTE1Y

Toro mowers: https://www.toro.com/

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/

Punchbowl News: https://punchbowl.news/

Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/

Skift: https://skift.com/

Newcomer: https://www.newcomer.co/

Deirdre Bosa on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@deebosa

Electrek: Genesis GV90 review: https://electrek.co/2026/08/20/genesis-gv90-luxury-coach-doors-images/

Toyota Alphard gallery: https://global.toyota/en/mobility/toyota-brand/gallery/alphard.html

The Clash "London Calling" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c

Timestamps:

0:00 What is Jason's Grok Bot up to?

5:17 Systems over goals

9:43 Superhuman - Superhuman Go is an AI chat that's always there when you need it, already aware of what you're doing, and doesn't ask you to start from zero. Sign up to get the best in AI at https://Superhuman.com

13:08 OpenAI will go public soon

14:19 Top line ARR matters way less than churn

20:43 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST

29:55 Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly. Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app

30:52 Harvey launches Tenet

34:32 "Open source is going to win it all"

35:58 Allan Guo of Willow joins

39:18 Managing a single source of truth across a team

47:00 Lon and Jason love the Toyota Alphard

51:00 Stanford student and AV expert Ethan Goodhart joins

1:00:09 How Ethan got Jensen Huang to go for a ride

1:00:37 Punk Rock 101

1:06:24 Phoebe Gates' secret Harvard class

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