Bodycam - Fatal Shooting In Florida

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Wake up, all right, we did we did do CBR
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real quick. Hey you wake up any wake up? Let
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me see do we have any Do we have any poll?
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We gotta poll.
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We got poll?
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All right?
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Sars off, it's come up out of your hands? Up
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is the man telly shirt?
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Fops, cut up, out.
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Of your hands up, trow me your hands from your hands,
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turn around, turn around? Where's your gun at? You got hands?
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Got hand on the entertained?
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Is there anybody else in the house? No, no, no,
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not right now.
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You're not under rested.
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Entertain come over here. Okay. He was the first chase.
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I was out.
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Okay, I can tell you what I heard.
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Yeah, I don't.
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The kids were playing outside, hurry right, and here's and
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here's yard and one yes, ma'am.
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And one of the little kids.
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He left his iPad on the ground, and I guess
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the old white lady that that shot. The lady she
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grabbed his iPad and she threw a roller skate.
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At him, and he went and she came out with
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an umbrella too, and he was trying to swing at him.
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Or something.
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Okay, And then is that what you heard her? Is
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that what you saw?
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That's what I heard?
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Okay, Well, let's just focus on what you saw.
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And what I The only thing I heard was her
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knocking on the door pretty loud, right, Who was the
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lady that got shot?
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Right? She was knocking on the other lady's Do like
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to see what happened went between the two kids, you know,
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like you you see anything or you gotta talk. You
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gotta talk to your kids. You gotta talk to the
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little kid and the older one.
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Okay. All I heard was knocking and in the gun shot.
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That's it.
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And there was no fighting, none. But you didn't actually
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see anything, no souse, no, okay, all right, thanks a man,
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stay right in the area if we need you.
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To let you know, all right, I appreciate it. So
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tell me what you saw here today?
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So much?
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Oh?
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I was, I was when you were playing on I
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was on my electric school there. Okay.
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Then my first mom got mad. Oh, my friend's mom
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got the lady because she took.
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Something.
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Your friend's mom, yeah, is which one was? Your friend's
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mom was right there, the one laying on the ground.
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One okay, So that was that was your friend's mom.
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She got mad because the other lady had taken an eyepad.
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Yes, okay, so what happened and she.
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Gave it back?
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Did the other lady gave it back?
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Yes?
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And then.
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So then your friend's mom.
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She came and banged on.
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The door window Okay, I mean it looks.
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Like that she banged on that and then the door okay.
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And then I was on my lecture switter.
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Right here, and then.
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I don't know where I hear what bang?
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Okay?
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Was swimming?
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Did you actually see anybody with any kind of gun
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anything like that?
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Or did you just hear?
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Okay?
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What did you see after that?
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I don't know.
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I keep out on the girl, Okay, good job, alrighty, yes,
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your boy?
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Was this? Was this the Mbers or not?
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Okay?
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She might be. She might be talking to.
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Them over air, but then.
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You guys will be around right, yeah, I'll be okay.
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Uh. Do you have idea on them?
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Yeah?
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Sure, I mean I heard I heard before that, I
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heard something like like a twenty two.
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Yeah.
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I went up and I'm like, I mean, obviously I
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know when I hear you know, yeah, And then I
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mean when he said that, I put one and two
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together and I'm like, whoa, let me see.
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So I'm walking out is here everyone going crazy with
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the kids crying, started to say, get everybody's information. Do
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not do interviews, okay, major crimes go una do the interviews.
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Okay, So don't gather get his information, his son's information.
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All gotta go get. I need to get the suspect
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that address, the phone number.
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Yes, we might not going to go pretty late.
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That's fine, man, I mean I think we want to
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do all that answer.
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Yeah, And I'm just letting you guys know. I'm letting
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you guys know. This neighbor here is hot. It's it's
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always hot.
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You know, there's a lot of things. I come through
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as much as I can.
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But the reason why I'm saying it is she's not
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safe coming back.
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You know what I'm saying.
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I'm not I get what saying.
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I think you know what I mean.
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But I got you on then, Yeah, all right, when
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need anything, will come.
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Back, Susan.
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Susan, I appreciate you coming back here and talking.
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Wins. You're a yema water. Is there anything else you
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can get for you right now? You do? Okay? All right?
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Very good?
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Again, if you have never Detective Stead.
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Detective and I haven't got a chance to meet you yet,
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but I'm looking forward to being able to speak with you.
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I I work with detective Staff, we worked together, I
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I was learning different things. So anyways, yeah, I'm I'm
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just gonna go ahead and let him cover what he
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needs to do and then I'll I'll get a chance.
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To meet you then.
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Okay.
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So, Susan, obviously when we spoke, uh the other night,
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it was kind of a lot of things going on.
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Still a lot of the pieces of uh what happened
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we're still trying to be put together. Since then, we've
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you know, obviously talked to a lot more witnesses who
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were there.
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Uh, We've gained uh access to some.
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Video from around around the area of where your uh
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your complex is is located. So during those interviews, during
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that process of attaining new stuff, you know, obviously it
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brings new questions that we wanted to kind of cover
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with you, try to verify some of the stuff you
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said as well as clarify things that we don't quite understand.
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So I was hoping that we could do that today.
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Obviously, just like last time, I wanna make sure that
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you you know, understand your rights and everything. So before
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we get started, and I just have to read you
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the same thing I did.
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Remember the last time.
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Yes, okay, okay, uh yeah, the right to remain silent.
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Anything you say can it will be used against your
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gonna court along. You have the right to talk to
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a lawyer, with him, have him present with you. Are
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you being questioned, cannot afford to hire a lawyer? One
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will be a pointing to represent you before any questioning
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if you wish. You can decide any time to execute
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these rights, not answer any questions or make any statements.
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Do you understand each other's rights of explained to you? Okay?
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And having those rights of minding well and to talk
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to us now? Yes, okay, So like I said, we've
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talked to a bunch of other people since then. Has there.
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Been anything that you've thought of since you and I
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have last talked in person at least that you can
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remember that maybe at the time because there was a
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lot of emotions and you know, having.
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Want what else like to tell you honestly.
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Okay, So nothing that that happened that night that you
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didn't remember at the time or you just like I said,
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there was a lot going on that you maybe didn't
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think to.
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Tell you because I thought I told you everything.
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Okay, all right, So some of the things, like I said,
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we were just trying to clarify because we were in the
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room together for a while talking and we went over
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a lot of different things. So one of the things
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I wanted to clarify with you is and try to
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understand better is when Ajaco was at the door, when
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she approached the door, when was it then you realized
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that it was her coming to.
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The door.
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Because I said, who's there?
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Okay? What did How did you know someone was there? Initially?
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Was it? Because okay, just at that door? Okay. So
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initially there was no words. It was just the pounding.
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That's what started. Yes, the interaction there and where was she?
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Where was she? The pounding at? Initially were first me
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down the front door, at the front door, okay?
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How many times did she she?
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Was?
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It? Just like yeah, it was like one bang okay, alright.
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And then you said, you said, who's asked her? Who's there? Okay?
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And what was said?
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Done?
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Good?
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Grew?
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I think she said, why do you speak my children
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this way? And I said, listen, I'm not gonna speak
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to you, go away. You know, if she had a problem,
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she should have called you guys, go honestly. I mean,
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if she really thought there was something seriously wrong, I
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don't understand why she just came over and just started
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pounding on my door and you know, screaming and yelling.
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So and then what happened after? After you said to
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go away? Go away?
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And then it got quiet for a bit, and then
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she started really panging, you know, just pounding on that door.
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Oh, she was relentlessly.
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How long is a bit? Would you say? I don't
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like cause by ten seconds or two minutes or it
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was a.
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It was a extended period of time, and probably twenty
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thirty seconds oka easily.
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But at during that time you didn't hear anything else?
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Did you think she went away? No?
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Why obviously knew she didn't go away because she was
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screaming while she was pounding.
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Describe that. When you say screaming, describe what that?
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What does that mean?
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She was just you're not supposed to speak to my
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children this way? Why did you you know? And then
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she was saying I'm going to kill you, and I'm like,
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holy shit, you know, And that's what I need to be.
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When you said, there was like the initial garage of
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the pounding, and you said, who's there? And she said
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you know what you said about not toughing her children
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that way. Yeah, and then you said it got quiet,
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so there was no banging, there was no words being, no.
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Said because I thought she went away.
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That's that's what I was asking, basically, I'm sorry to fight.
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Oh no, it's okay. I thought, all right, you know,
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she's just gonna do it whatever she.
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Wants to do.
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And you said that was like twenty to thirty seconds. Yeah,
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and then was there what did she start yelling again first?
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Or was there more more bang? It was banging, it
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was yelling.
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I thought she was just going to break down the door, okay.
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So I mean I just my heart was pounding, and
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I was like, she's really gonna kill me.
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Okay.
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So I felt when she first came up and start
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where were you when she started the was the very
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first time you were in the bathroom when she started beating?
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And did you come to the door.
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Well, I was approaching the door and then she started screaming,
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and I knew who was Okay.
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So that's how too this story, Okay.
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And because I figured if she came in, she would
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be just absolutely.
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Powered into the ground, all right.
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And then when it became silent that first, after that
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first round of a beating on your door, what where
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did what did you Where were you at then?
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Did you go of just went to wash my hands honestly, okay, yeah,
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because I didn't know who was that the door, and
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I'm wanting to know who then.
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It was okay, so I went back and wash my hands. Okay.
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So that's the t during the time where it was
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kind of quiet, and thought that maybe she went away, okay,
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And when the banging and the yelling started again, Uh,
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what where were you at?
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Then?
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I think I was in the kitchen okay, alright, And
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then what happened?
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And then she just kept banging and yelling like you
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need to leave your trespassing, get off my porch.
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You'll get out of here.
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You know I'm not talking to you.
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Leave, Okay.
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Who else was outside the door besides Asaka? You don't know.
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I have no idea where were the other kids, because
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I know the kids had been over there requior to
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her coming over.
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If they were by the you know, with the fences.
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And then there's a sidewalk.
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They were beyond that sidewalk inside where it's supposed to
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be no trespassing.
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Okay, so they were outside of the fence while she
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was banging on the door.
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I have.
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No idea.
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And you know you asked me when the kids were
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there early, right, So and I the kids finally, you know,
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I went inside.
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I figured they left, so you didn't know where who
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else was out there at that time. Okay, So you
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went to the kitchen and she was still pounding on
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the door and yelling. And I know we've kind of
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gone over this a lot, but I want to make
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sure now we're getting more like in order of things,
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because the first time we talked, it was kind of
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just like it all came out all at once. And
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now that you've had a little bit of time to
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kind of think about things that happened again and.
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Try to get it in the good order that.
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Things happened, cause it's very important to to be able
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to say, Okay, this happened first.
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This is what happened next, so that we don't get
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them confused or anything.
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So after that initial silence where when I wouldn't say silence,
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but it got quiet, you. You were washing your hands
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in the bathroom, and then the pounding and the yelling
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started again, and you went to the kitchen.
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What were you doing in the kitchen?
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Just I was looking for my phone, okay, so cause
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I put my phone some down somewhere and I started panicking.
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I started searching for the phone. And then she just
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kept banging and banging and bang.
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I'm going to kill you.
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I'm gonna kill you.
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You know, get out of here.
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And I'm like, I have nowhere to go. I mean,
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I was in the kitchen.
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The there was the sliders, and then uh the sliders
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always locked and just that one door, so there was
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no escape.
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Okay, I couldn't leave. I couldn't get out of there.
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I was like Jesus Christ. And she was pounding so
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hard the mirror on my wall was shaking.
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Okay, So that first, I hate.
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I'm sorry to go back. But that first time that
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she pounds on the door, how long do you think
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that that lasted before there was kind of the silence,
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and I know you said she hit the door. You said,
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who's there?
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And that was it said, probably five ten seconds. She
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was pounding the first.
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Time, okay, and then when it started again. How long
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and I'm gonna jump ahead just a little bit, but
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we'll kind of come back. When she started pounding on
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the door again and saying all that stuff to the
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point where you fired a uh fired the gun?
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How long do you think that that lasted? Two to
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five minutes?
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She said, everything's kind of it was a what I mean,
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it was a while, and I kept thinking, Okay, you
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guys are gonna show up, you know, cause I called
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earlier and no one was coming, No one was coming out.
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Like shit, I couldn't find my phone.
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And she was just banging and banging and screaming at me,
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telling me I'm gonna kill you.
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I'm gonna kill you.
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I'm like she's building even killing this time. That's all
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I kept saying. She's she's literally gonna come in this.
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House and kill me.
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Okay, when did you find your phone? At what point?
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After I shot her?
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I I just started searching the house frantically until I
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found it. And I want her to make sure that
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I called and said, you know, I shout cause I
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heard it.
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Oh, where where was your phone? I think it was
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in my computer room, in the computer room. Okay, so.
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Let me just don't understand. It's little better cause I'm
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not really sure. So the woman that got shot, what
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is her name?
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AJ?
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Right, it's aj okay? And how long have you known her?
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I really didn't know her. I just you know she
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was a neighbor across the street.
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Okay. So how long has she been a neighbor across
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the street from me? How you understand that?
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A year and a half?
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Two years?
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Okay, year and a half and two years? And in
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that year and a half and two years, how many
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times have you guys been able to talk?
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We have never talked.
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It's warm like screaming.
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No, okay, all right, Maybe the better would be communicate.
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How many times have you guys been able to communicate
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in that year and a half or two years?
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Two? Three times?
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Two or three times? And in those two or three
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times over a year and a half and two years,
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what were you guys screaming about? Were you guys communicating about?
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She would take her dog and loo get on nice
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cycle to make sure.
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Why are you kidding me?
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Yea of one of your places you can can take
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you around? Were you gonna come here? And she said,
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it's the only place my vocal go to.
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The bathroom.
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Okay, So no, I don't think so.
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Okay, So you guys would have a disagreement regarding that,
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some screaming regarding the dog poop and where it showed it. Uh,
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what else would you guys communicate out in that? Two
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or three times?
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And then one time she was talking to them, the neighbors,
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and she said that picture there was crazy, and I went, no,
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I'm not gonna you know, sorry, I woke up. I said,
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what is your problem? And she just went on a tirade.
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I have never heard someone scream like this one. And
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I was like, Jesus Christ, uh huh, and I mean
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she she exploded her and I'm like, oh.
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How long ago was that?
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Two months ago?
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Two?
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Two, three months ago?
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And then she was she was saying I called her
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kids all kinds of names, and I'm like, uh no,
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I didn't.
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And the more I said no, the more.
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I rate she got.
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Finally, I'm like, you know, let me just back off,
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say yes, I'll apologize and discovery away.
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What kind of things was she saying? That you you
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called her kids, I called.
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Them racial slurs, that I called them slaves, and that's
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never happened. I mean when She's said, I'm like wanting
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to stop already, stop lying, you know.
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And I was like enough what I did? Cool ones?
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Because they just kept coming and coming. I said, are
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you you can't read the sign?
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Okay?
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You know how many times do we have to tell
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you you're trespassing?
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You know?
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Now all these kids nowadays they have tablets and phones
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and stuff. Are are you? I mean, you can tell
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us the truth. I mean, it's just us in here,
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are I think we were looking at the different videos
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and people were telling us about we spoke to everyone
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in the neighborhood separately. Was there other times when you
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got frustrated or something with these kids and you've said
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something something else that we're not talking about. I mean,
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have you have you said other words to them or
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something about middle fingers or something? Tell me about that.
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It wasn't at the kids or was that the gentleman?
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Who's who's the gentleman?
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I only know him by his name, Soubpito.
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So okay, so he's he's a guy.
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He gets old the kids together, so they're screaming and
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yelling and they're doing all this crazy.
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Stuff and I'm like, stop already. And I asked him
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I said, please stop. I don't like the yelling. It
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just you know, I started going to break down.
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I'll take your time. What did What is the crazy
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stuff that Sopito has these kids doing? Tell me about
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that how you used to.
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Write a food wheeler and he would come around the house,
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come around the house and.
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I'm like, what the hell are you doing?
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Then you have the kids on the back, no helmets,
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do nothing, and I'm like stop already. The one time
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I went out there, he almost had me. He's like, ah,
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mischief Jesus Christ. Really, I don't like I just can't
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deal with it.
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I have an injury right now. I have uh aneurysm. Mom,
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I had left kidney artery. If you hit me, you
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had to kill me.
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Is was it a was it on last Friday that
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you were kind of giving in the middle finger?
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Then?
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Is that what I was understanding?
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Uh?
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I may have given him the middle figure because they're
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just out there and I took a picture and he's like, oh,
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go take more pictures on like you know, cause it
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is What are.
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The kind of crazy things is he haveing these kids do?
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Is it something where he's he would have them exercise
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and exercise and scream and yell, and the kids are like,
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we're tired, We're tired.
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Stop, we're tired. Is he like a coach or do
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they place?
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Has no idea and he's like, come on you waenies,
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you know, hum get moved and he just kids are like,
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no way, want to stop.
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He's like, you can't stop.
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Is he the father of one of those kids that
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live I have? You know, I'm sure. I don't don't
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know who he is. I just know that.
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And I asked him, I said please, I said, you
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know when of my friends was murdered when I was
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very young, and she screamed. She was bound and gagged
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and she they the guy thought he killed her and
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she screamed. And so every time those little kids scream,
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I keep thinking.
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Of my friend Elizabeth.
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Tell me about that? WHOA so?
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And I asked my sense so, Peter, please these kids
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screaming like this is the triggering me. I don't wanna
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hear this, you know, And he's like, ah.
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You're full of shit.
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You're a war this year that.
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I'm like, really, why would they tell the story and.
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It's not true?
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I know, this is kind of not really r related
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to what we're talking about, Well, what what happened with
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your friend?
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Is that when you were very young or a fourteen?
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Oh?
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My godcha.
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So that guy came and he ripped her, and he
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peter and he thought he killed her.
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Bounder of she was.
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At Chilton Factory, the old spice factory in New Jersey,
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and next to it was a children's playground, and he
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buried her there in a shallow grave.
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And she wasn't ten. So when the foreigner said that,
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there was old dirt and her lungs because she.
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Kept screaming and screaming, screaming, So every time those little
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girls screamed, it just kind of you know the other
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thing of Elizabeth.
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Have you ever been a victim of any violence?
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Oh?
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Yeah, describe that to me.
511
00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:28.599
I was scraped to the beaten.
512
00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:30.799
Did that happen here or in New Jersey?
513
00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:32.359
In Jersey? Okay?
514
00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.119
And how long ago was that? Started?
515
00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:36.759
When I was four?
516
00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.000
Didn't stop until I was like twenty okay?
517
00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.960
And did was New Jersey police or whatever they be
518
00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.079
able to help you out with that, give you justice
519
00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.319
or anything? Was that ever reported law enforcement?
520
00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:46.880
No?
521
00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.279
Because I was starting to be killed.
522
00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.559
Okay. So that was something that that wasn't reported? And
523
00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.440
was this from a known family member or something? I
524
00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.039
worked Special Victims unit for years. Okay, so this was
525
00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:57.599
from a known family member. Have you ever been a
526
00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.920
victim of some kind of violence from a random person
527
00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:01.640
or something like that?
528
00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:02.119
Yes?
529
00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:03.839
Uh, describe that to me.
530
00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.559
I was dating a gentleman and a doctor up in Michigan.
531
00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:10.079
Uh huh, and we were gonna move forward with a
532
00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.880
relationship and everything, and he got super drunk going night
533
00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:14.599
and he started beating me.
534
00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.680
Uh huh. So that sounds like domestic violence. Someone that
535
00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:20.680
someone else that you were associated with and they did
536
00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:22.680
something bad to you. Was that you're able to report
537
00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:24.359
that to New Jersey or whatever it may be? Were
538
00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.680
they able to rest in Michigan? Michigan? Were they able
539
00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:27.599
to arrest him for anything?
540
00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.319
You never said anything else?
541
00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:30.319
So embarrassed?
542
00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.880
Sure, that's that's common an.
543
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:34.799
You know, I should know him.
544
00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.200
I mean as soon as he finished and passed out,
545
00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.759
I left, okay, you know, and just kind of a situation.
546
00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:40.839
Never spoke to him again.
547
00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:44.000
Have you ever been a victim of anything like robbery
548
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:46.039
or anything like that before.
549
00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:48.519
In Jersey? Yes?
550
00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.720
Okay? Was were you like robbed at a store at
551
00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.440
gas station or described that to me.
552
00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:56.240
We were selling tools out of the back of my
553
00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:01.039
car for some company and we stopped at a stop sign.
554
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.440
It was myself and two other girls who were doing
555
00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.680
with me, and they entered the car and just took everything.
556
00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.160
Who's they who did do that to you?
557
00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:11.039
I can't remember.
558
00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.119
It was a bunch of guys.
559
00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:14.000
Okay, we're in the neighborhood.
560
00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:15.480
Did you really get them reported?
561
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:17.680
And they were reported it but they never found them.
562
00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.119
Okay, did those guys ever harass you ever again? Or
563
00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:20.599
anything like that?
564
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:22.000
Because it wasn't where I lived?
565
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.000
Okay. Have you ever been a a a victim of
566
00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.240
violence in at y at your home that wasn't someone
567
00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.200
you knew or a random person coming and hurting you
568
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.759
or something like that. Okay, anyone's ever broke into your
569
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.960
house before in New Jersey or in Michigan or in
570
00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:34.880
Florida or anything like that.
571
00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.279
They broke into that house? Come on, we lived in
572
00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:39.400
palms and plains.
573
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:40.799
Where's is that in New Jersey?
574
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:41.039
Yeah?
575
00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.559
And when you said they broke into describe that to
576
00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:44.480
me what happened with a.
577
00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:46.079
Bunch of young kids that my brother knew?
578
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:46.480
Uh huh?
579
00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.319
I need he had the dirt bike and everything. So
580
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.519
they stole his dirt bike and they sold some other stuff.
581
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.480
Sure, and and uh, were you home when that happened?
582
00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:55.039
I believe?
583
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.839
Said, Okay, when you say you believe, so, did you
584
00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:59.480
did they like sneak in the night and they went to.
585
00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:01.480
The garage, was in end of the night, and then
586
00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:02.319
went out into the shed.
587
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.480
They went out into the shed. Okay, okay, Scott, I'm
588
00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.319
trying to understand. I know what happened to you this time.
589
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.880
We just talked about that has anything like this ever
590
00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.680
happened to you before, where someone was trying to break
591
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.759
into the house and hurt you or something. No, not
592
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.519
like that, No, nothing like that. Nothing is nothing like
593
00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.319
that's ever happened to you before. I just wanted to
594
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.480
see if there was a similar experience. We talked about
595
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.759
unreported sexual abuse, We talked about domestic violence. We talked
596
00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.440
about whenever you were robbed once of something by some
597
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.680
men and then there was something stolen out of a shed?
598
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:31.640
Is that right in New Jersey?
599
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:32.240
Okay?
600
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.119
But then we're talking about what happened there today and
601
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:39.279
this woman that that she's that she passed away. You
602
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.200
said that she had you guys have yelled at each
603
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.599
other three or four times in about a year and
604
00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:44.759
a half to two years, Is that right?
605
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:45.039
Yes?
606
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.440
And then last time she she yelled at you a lot.
607
00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.839
Did she ever? Did she ever? Like? Did you ever?
608
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.720
I worked as a patrol deputy for years before becoming
609
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.400
a detective. Did you guys ever get in like a
610
00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:56.720
fight in the street or anything like that?
611
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.759
No, nothing like that. Be kidding me.
612
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.359
I I'm sorry, I gotta ask. I guess I don't know.
613
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.599
I don't know you that well. Did she ever brandish
614
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.519
a weapon or anything like that or something?
615
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.839
The only thing she ever did is she picked up
616
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.359
the trust passing sign and threw it at me and
617
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:12.680
hit me.
618
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.000
Okay, And I know that the police came out a
619
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.599
lot of times. Did the police ever come out for
620
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:18.839
that time when she threw the sign?
621
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.319
And then everybody in the neighbor shood? Oh, we didn't
622
00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:22.200
see anything, okay?
623
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:22.799
So was it?
624
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.519
He said? She said, so they said they couldn't charge anything.
625
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.240
I'm like, all right, And obviously you have a firearm.
626
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:30.960
I haven't had a chance to ask you about this now.
627
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.839
Is that a gun that you've a gun that you've
628
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.200
had for years? You just had it for a couple
629
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.519
of weeks. Help me understand that over a year? Okay,
630
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.880
over a year? And where do you normally keep that
631
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:40.720
secured in the house?
632
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.759
That's usually next It was in a garbage can next
633
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:45.200
to my bed.
634
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.680
Okay, And is it is it like now?
635
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.599
That was the Remington that you're talking about. They didn't
636
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:50.440
got over a year ago.
637
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.200
Yeah, okay, So when we were at the house, there
638
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.000
was the other one, that's the twenty two was a ruger.
639
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.839
All of you had that firearm months just a few months,
640
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:00.599
very long.
641
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:02.039
And the only reason I did it is cause it
642
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.920
was so expensive to shoot them three more expensive. So
643
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.480
I got the little Plinker, you know, just target practice
644
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:10.079
and stuff like that.
645
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.240
Are you are you experienced with firearms? You got two
646
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.920
guns and sounds like you have the little plinker and
647
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:16.920
you know about the price of ammo or you are
648
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.240
you well versed with them?
649
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:18.680
Uh?
650
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.400
I used to be terrified afar uh huh. And then
651
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.759
friend said, you know, you really can't defend yourself. He said,
652
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:26.119
you should think about getting it gun.
653
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.599
Okay, So when did you first get a gun? Was
654
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:30.599
it just or did you have other guns historically?
655
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:31.359
No?
656
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:33.160
I never did Okay.
657
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:35.559
I first bought a nine millimeter, but it was just
658
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.200
way too much gun for me, so I sold it.
659
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:37.720
Uh huh.
660
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.480
Then I got the little uh three eighty okay.
661
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.039
And did you go to any kind of training for
662
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.039
those using guns that going to the range or tell
663
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.200
me about that went to.
664
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.039
The range, watch videos, you know, all the other stuff,
665
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.599
just self educating. And I was gonna go take a
666
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.240
permits carry course, sure, and I didn't get around.
667
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.319
Yeah, okay, so you you you were self training yourself.
668
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.920
You had plans to do that in the future, but
669
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.839
it didn't come to that. So thank you for helping
670
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:10.519
me understand that and and describe to me, aj you've
671
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.160
only had these arguments with her a few times. But
672
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.720
what I'm confused about is that we're talking about her
673
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.160
banging on the on the on it three times and
674
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:19.839
then there's the pause, and there's everything else. You just
675
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.759
describe a detective step and you said that this was
676
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.319
the time that she was gonna come and kill you.
677
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.359
That that's confusing to me because it sounds like you
678
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.960
guys really didn't have any other times that she was
679
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.759
gonna come and kill you, and.
680
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:31.960
She was saying she's gonna kill me. I mean she's
681
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.240
verbalizing it. She was saying, I'm gonna kill you.
682
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.359
Okay, that's it's not like this is the time she's
683
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:38.039
gonna come and kill.
684
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:39.480
So I'm trying to get into your mind and I'm
685
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:40.960
trying to be brought to that moment to how you
686
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:42.359
why you believe that? And we were talking to you
687
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:43.920
were in the bathroom, and then you were in the kitchen.
688
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.799
I mean I know that she's saying something. And and
689
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.480
and you're inside your house and she's on the other
690
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.599
side of that wall, in that door. Were you able
691
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.720
to ever see her see if she had anything in
692
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.880
her hands. There's no people thinks, okay, we're able to
693
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:58.240
look through a window or anything to see if she
694
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.359
had anything in her hands or anything. Okay, So you
695
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.960
don't know if what's going on, but you can hear
696
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.119
her voice. Yes, And and you said that she's hitting
697
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.799
the wall hard enough that was the door that the
698
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:15.279
mirror is moving and she's hitting the door. Okay. And
699
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.480
there's no peep hole or anything like that. You don't
700
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.400
know who all's out there, but you can hear her voice. Okay,
701
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.480
what made you shoot that spot on the door. It
702
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.240
sounds like you had some experience of the gun, So
703
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.880
describe bring me to that moment what happened?
704
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:34.799
Grabbed the gun. I was shaking like a leaf.
705
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.640
And then more she bounded, the more she screamed, and
706
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.720
I was like, stop, stop, stop, go away, move away you.
707
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.160
She wouldn't move away. Finally, I'm going to kill you.
708
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:43.119
And that was the last time and.
709
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.200
I'm just fired the packet. Okay.
710
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:46.880
Was there a spot you picked or something like that?
711
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.319
I just kind of there was the door. I know
712
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.000
she was at the door shop.
713
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:53.960
So since the last time you and I talked, I
714
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.480
went in the house, you know, did the stuff inside
715
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.799
the house as far as photographing, looking at where everything
716
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.359
is that related to where the door is. And you
717
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.279
said you were you had shot from the kitchen. So
718
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.599
when you come in and sitch a table, kitchen table, table.
719
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.799
That's there in the two seats with the table from.
720
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.079
That's where you shot from. Okay, like right next to it, yes,
721
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.400
or like further back it is.
722
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:21.799
I remember the table there.
723
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.200
Okay. How were you holding the gun when you fired
724
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.359
it with two hands? Okay?
725
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.920
Now you were initially in the kitchen when well you
726
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.599
went to the restroom and then you were in the
727
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.200
kitchen looking for your phone while she was pounding on
728
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.240
the door, and you said that this you believe it
729
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.519
was between two and five minutes. Was that total time
730
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.880
before from when the first pounding started to the time
731
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.920
that you fired the shot two to five minutes?
732
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.799
Or do you think it was a shorter time than
733
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:48.400
that or long?
734
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.519
To me, it seemed like the time I shot the
735
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:53.759
weapon at least five minutes.
736
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:54.119
Okay.
737
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.200
So did she ever try to open that glass slighting
738
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.839
door or open the door handle or anything like that
739
00:28:59.039 --> 00:28:59.920
or was it just a pound?
740
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.960
I just remember her pounding and pounding and pounding.
741
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:07.200
Okay. So you said that you kept the firearm in
742
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.480
the trash can in the bedroom.
743
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.319
So at some point did you go yes, so you
744
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.599
thought about it and said I might need this or absolutely?
745
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.640
I mean I got terrified. I mean I was so
746
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:18.519
terrified she was going to come in and kill me.
747
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.920
Okay, So you left the kitchen area, yes, and that's
748
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.799
when you went to your bedroom. Yes, Okay, where was
749
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.599
the other gun at that time? Do you know the
750
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.720
ruer right there? I mean we found yeah, it was,
751
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.079
but you used the You said that you used the
752
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.079
the three eighty right when you fired the gun. Okay,
753
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.359
is there any reason why you chose that gun inside
754
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:41.799
the other one?
755
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.000
They were both loaded, right.
756
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.920
They were both loaded. It's just the one that picked up.
757
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.079
Okay. Did you handle the other gun at all?
758
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.039
I don't remember.
759
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.240
I honestly god, I don't remember, okay, because the reason
760
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.240
I asked is when we went in there, the twenty
761
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.640
two was actually on top of the three eighty, So,
762
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.119
you know, I'm just trying to fig how it is
763
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.079
that you you you know, you went in there, took
764
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.759
the three eight, fired the three eighty, went back, and
765
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.680
you would have put it back in there, but then
766
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.119
the other gun was on top of it. So I'm
767
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.079
just trying to figure out if if maybe you know,
768
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.160
you're just moving stuff around when after things happened or
769
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:15.839
something fell.
770
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.400
I'm just trying to understand it may have fallen off
771
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:19.400
the bed. I don't remember.
772
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.160
I just remember them good from my phone, and I
773
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.599
just remember I put the gun back in, so you know,
774
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:25.759
there's all kinds of papers in.
775
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.079
There, so it could have flip flopped.
776
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.319
Is that an actual like do you use it for
777
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.880
trash or those important papers that were in the papers
778
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:35.480
that I keep out okay, all right, So you said
779
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.599
it was about let me ask you this and maybe
780
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.480
this can kind of help us get a good better
781
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.160
time frame from the time that you called nine one one.
782
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.160
The kids are on my proper again. They're yelling, make cut.
783
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.839
You know what happened that first night, I won't call
784
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.319
that time that you hung up with nine to one one.
785
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.160
How long before she showed up and she was pounding
786
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.839
on the door after you hung up ten minutes ten
787
00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.079
minutes okay, So about ten minutes after you disconnected and
788
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.440
they said, hey, we have deputies on the way. Ten
789
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.480
minutes after that is when she started pounding on your door, okay.
790
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:14.200
And you say, anywhere you believe from two to five minutes, okay,
791
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:18.759
is there?
792
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:25.559
And I just want to be clear, two to.
793
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.720
Five minutes from the first time she pounded to the
794
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.920
time where you you felt in danger and enough to
795
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:31.599
pull the trigger.
796
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.279
Yeah, okay?
797
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.440
And how many times I know this is.
798
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.200
How many times do you think she was hitting your
799
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.400
door during that that timeframe that you you believe is
800
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:47.039
about two to.
801
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.039
Five minutes, she just kept pounding it, pounding.
802
00:31:51.440 --> 00:32:00.480
You so just more than fifty How to be I
803
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:00.799
don't know.
804
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:02.480
I can't even expect late.
805
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:04.920
I just remember her pounding and pounding and screaming you.
806
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:16.039
And okay, and did you call nine one one immediately after? Okay?
807
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.279
How much time do you think after you fired the shot?
808
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.319
Did you call anyone else before? Did you call anyone
809
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.359
else after? No?
810
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.039
I don't think so, because you guys were here.
811
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.400
I mean, you guys came right away. Okay.
812
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:42.759
So okay, what's what the what's what the racial statements
813
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.640
that everyone's saying that you made? I mean, have you
814
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.319
ever used the N word and they're using it against you?
815
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.359
Have you said it in passing or something?
816
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.359
I have no idea, but it could have been. I
817
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.680
was speaking Hungarian and instead of English.
818
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.160
It's so your native Hungarian is the Hungarian My mother
819
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.000
was Polish, both mainly Hungary in the household. Okay, and
820
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.119
is there have you ever spoke Hungarian to these kids
821
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:06.799
or anything like that?
822
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.880
Yeah? Stop making of your language.
823
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.799
So let me let me ask you real quick.
824
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.160
You know that we had your phone, right, okay, So
825
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.880
a judge actually signed in order to allow us to
826
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.480
go into the phone and look over certain things that
827
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.720
would assist and trying to identify the timeframes of things
828
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.799
that happened, and during the interviews where we were out
829
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.799
there talking to other people who live in the neighborhood,
830
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.480
they told us that you've you've there's been times where
831
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.920
you go out and either create video, like record with
832
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.799
videos or take photographs of what the kids are doing
833
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.640
in your area out there, So you know how that
834
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.480
anybody could have a phone or a device that's recording,
835
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.559
so you could imagine, I'm sure the kids have phones
836
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:49.319
out in the neighborhood.
837
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.279
A lot of them have tablets that record video.
838
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.240
So when we talk to these people and we kind
839
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.920
of we just we talked to them, they tell us something,
840
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.319
but we have.
841
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.039
To kind of verify that, so we ask them the
842
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.359
same questions, do you have.
843
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.759
Any video, audio, anything that would document as what you're
844
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.960
saying is true. So when he's asking you questions like that,
845
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.159
sometimes we have to ask questions that we already know
846
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:10.800
the answers to.
847
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.639
And it's not to try to trick someone.
848
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.079
It's just to try to see how how how credible
849
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.400
they are and how reliable their statements are. So when
850
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.039
we ask them something that we already know the answer to,
851
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.719
and if they answer us and it matches up, then
852
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.000
some of the stuff that we're still trying to learn
853
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.400
and put the pieces together to we have more credibility
854
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.760
and believe in that. So again he referring to some
855
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.440
of the some of the racial statements that have been alleged,
856
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.360
Where does that come from? And like is there something
857
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.039
more like did something happen in the past or or
858
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.760
is that how you're raised or is it just something
859
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:55.599
because these kids are just always like antagonizing.
860
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:56.559
You there forgonizing me.
861
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.800
When I was twelve years old, some girl in the school,
862
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.320
it's thought I was somewhat of a girl. And it
863
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.559
came down to where I was stuck in a phone
864
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.440
booth and at least three five other people were around
865
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:11.039
all blocks and so they ended up calling the police
866
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.039
and he had to disperse the crowd.
867
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.800
Mkay. And why how would up happened in that? I
868
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.159
mean anything, I had to.
869
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.119
Leave school early every day, I couldn't be around, I
870
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.079
couldn't do any extra curricular activities.
871
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.960
I just had to be very careful at school. And
872
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.280
so it's just, you know, it was craziness.
873
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.199
So I'm sorry this How did that? I mean, you're
874
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:34.800
kind of describing it. I could take a guess, but
875
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.880
I mean, how did that make you feel towards your classmates?
876
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.159
Did you have friends at that school? Yes, okay, so
877
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:42.960
you had people that you could confide to and be
878
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.960
friends with. But you said that you had to be
879
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.559
escorted to the boss or something like that.
880
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.400
No, I left five minutes early every day.
881
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:50.639
You had to leave early every day?
882
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:51.239
Okay?
883
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.480
Are you and how old were you when that happened?
884
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.519
Twelve twelve?
885
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.599
And I mean it sounds like there's been some issues
886
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.519
that it was that something that's caused problems with you
887
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.239
for the rest of your life. No, No, that doesn't Okay,
888
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.280
I don't believe so, okay, So we're just trying to
889
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.239
figure out where some of these uh you know, we
890
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.079
heard that you said the F word and the B
891
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:18.039
word is what the kids are saying that I definitely okay.
892
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.159
And what do you what do you say in the
893
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:25.360
F word to think referring to stuff on the ground
894
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.599
or something. And when we say the B word, what
895
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.599
do you what are you referring to that? Who were
896
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:31.199
you talking to? What are you saying when you use
897
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.719
that language? Yeah, which I'm assuming is bitch? But I
898
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.280
don't really know you have you said that word to them?
899
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.440
Remember the bastard. Possibly bastard could have been word.
900
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.440
Are those words that you've used when you're outside of
901
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.639
around the kids or something like that.
902
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.840
If they're I guess if they were really annoying me,
903
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:51.760
I may have let one.
904
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.159
Slip, okay, And how would they really annoy you, like
905
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.519
just screaming, scream, the screaming, and and that would maybe
906
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.719
let one okay, But the.
907
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.960
Girls would they would do something so stupid. I've never
908
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:06.199
seen anything like this before.
909
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.800
They would go face to face with one another and
910
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.000
see if it's scream louder.
911
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:10.639
Yeah.
912
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.480
If I feared outside of my door and I'm like,
913
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.679
what the hell are you doing, I'm like why, I'm
914
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:17.920
want to see whose scream is louder?
915
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.239
I'm like, take it open to your house.
916
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:26.000
Sure, okay, So Detective Stiff has been talking to you
917
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.079
about the timeline, okay, and some of the work we've done. Now,
918
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.079
this is a picture that I drive not an artist
919
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:32.880
at all. But when I tell you some of the
920
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.280
work we've done, we spoke to all the people. This
921
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.400
is your house, by the way, okay, this is this
922
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.000
is We'll put an ask for you. We spoke to
923
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.280
everybody in these buildings We spoke to them all in
924
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.679
these buildings, and we talked to anybody that had cameras
925
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.679
that would see different areas. These cameras they hear things.
926
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.840
We're able to hear audio. We're able to hear things
927
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.920
like that, and everyone will be interviewed. I pretty much
928
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.000
got the same the stiff, I think we go got
929
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.719
the same statement from every single person we interviewed. We
930
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.599
lined up, well, we didn't line them up. These people
931
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.800
were interviewed in different locations. Some of them were interviewed
932
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.440
in different buildings, in different places. I interviewed them at
933
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.280
different houses, and all these people provided me similar statements. Okay,
934
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.920
no one that provided these. Now these people could hear
935
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.880
her talking, okay, because she was talking loudly. You said
936
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.079
that you could hear it through the wall, and I
937
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.599
can agree with that. Okay. She made a statement something
938
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.239
to the effect of, why'd you take my kid's iPad? Okay,
939
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.920
somebody heard her say that they.
940
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.480
Touched an iPad. I never saw the iPad. I don't
941
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:36.760
know what this iPad is about.
942
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:37.800
A tablet or something like that.
943
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.360
Again, no tablet, no iPad, no electronics at all, at
944
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.480
least never there or at least I never saw it.
945
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.199
Okay, so I have no idea what was she Maybe
946
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.159
she's wrong, but was she asking you about a tablet
947
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.400
or accusing you of something with a tablet or an iPad?
948
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.480
I don't know if it's an iPad or tablet. She
949
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.000
could have Okay, you seem sure some of the stuff
950
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.639
she saying through the door. Did she say, You're not
951
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.760
really sure? If she said that, she could have said
952
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:05.599
it to her rants. Okay, Uh, so she's she's saying
953
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.400
these things. The thing is, is everything that we've learned
954
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.000
so far, I have not learned of her ever saying
955
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.400
to you that she wanted that that she wanted to
956
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.079
get into the house. It sounded more like she wanted
957
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:18.280
to talk to you outside of the house.
958
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:20.599
How how do you want to talk to outside the
959
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.199
house when you're banging and screaming.
960
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:23.159
That's not reason.
961
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.599
One of the people said that she said, come outside.
962
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.840
That's not I'm sorry, come out.
963
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:28.719
It's not reasonable, improven.
964
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.079
I mean, you just don't, you know, bang and expect
965
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:31.679
someone to come out.
966
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:33.079
Yeah, I think I'll come outside for you.
967
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.000
Well, I know, seriously, what she's what she's learned, what
968
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:39.920
I'm learning. But these people says that she was saying
969
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.239
to come outside. She wanted to confront you about something.
970
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.320
She wanted you to come outside. Do you remember her
971
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.880
making statements and asking you to come out there and
972
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:47.400
talk to her?
973
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:48.360
Honestly, don't.
974
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.360
Okay, so you don't remember that, and you seem unsure
975
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.159
about some of the statements she made about the tablet.
976
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:57.880
No one that we've interviewed so far has made any
977
00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:59.679
statements about her saying that she wanted to kill you.
978
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.400
That's what I heard, Okay, Like you said, you were
979
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.079
so in fear and you're shaking. Is your memory affected
980
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.519
regarding this incident in some way?
981
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.320
I just I just remember being terrified that she was
982
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.480
banging and screaming, and just I just remember hearing her
983
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.840
say I'm going to kill you. Her son early in
984
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.559
the night when I before I call the police her
985
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.400
I can't. I don't know how old he is, but
986
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.159
he said, make sure you get killed.
987
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.079
Tonight, which time she has two sons, I know.
988
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.639
I don't remember it was one of her sons, but
989
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.800
he was there. He's like, make sure you get killed.
990
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.519
I'm gonna make sure that you know, And I'm like,
991
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:40.840
what the hell is going on?
992
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.559
This has has this person ever showed you a weapon
993
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:44.239
or anything like that?
994
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.079
No, but I mean the little kid said it. And
995
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.320
then all of a sudden, his mom's coming over and she's.
996
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:51.119
Banging and screaming.
997
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.480
And now I asked you this earlier. You said you
998
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.599
can't see out there, but you've only seen her a
999
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:00.960
few times. What means does she have to to harmio
1000
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:02.719
through the wall?
1001
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.159
Like I said, she was banging so much, everything was
1002
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.000
shaking and moving.
1003
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:10.400
Now that's now that house I.
1004
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.840
Which I couldn't believe because it's a.
1005
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:13.719
Cement block house.
1006
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.119
That was my next question. So it's a cement block house.
1007
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:21.079
And the door the dead boult was activated, right, Okay.
1008
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.559
You just didn't have the chain lock. I don't.
1009
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.800
I was gonna say, I remember I didn't have the
1010
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:27.119
chain I'm not quite sure.
1011
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:28.239
If I had the dead bolt on or not.
1012
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.519
Okay, I believe the last time we talked to you
1013
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.280
said you had the dead bolt, but you didn't want
1014
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.119
to get back close to the door to do the
1015
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.400
chain is from from what I recall, And you said
1016
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.119
you have the extra long dead bolt just installed.
1017
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:41.679
Recently.
1018
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.119
He Charles, did it?
1019
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.119
Okay, Charles, So that's what I'm the dead bolts activated,
1020
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.599
the doors closed, It's a block house. I'm just trying
1021
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.960
to understand what made you so in fear of this
1022
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.840
woman if you have these things between you when we had.
1023
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.960
Spoken previously on the other time, when she screamed up,
1024
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.679
you know, finally, Actress, I said, whatever you want.
1025
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:02.400
I'm so sorry.
1026
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.559
She followed me a foot behind me up until I
1027
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.320
went into the house. I'm like, what the he I mean,
1028
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:08.159
she gave me the creeps?
1029
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:08.719
What?
1030
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.159
Why? What was it? What happened during that incident where
1031
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.360
she followed? What was the conversation? She said, oh, you cool?
1032
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:16.159
My kids.
1033
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.559
I can't remember were in a slave or something stupid
1034
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.480
like that. And I'm like, okay, whatever, Yes, I'm sorry.
1035
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.440
You know, you know, I apologize, And I finally said,
1036
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:27.920
I'll just yea, I'm going to leave this alone.
1037
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.039
I don't need, you know, to get killed in the street.
1038
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.239
Did she tell you if she had recordings of you
1039
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:35.840
saying that I learned like one of the kids. I
1040
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.840
have no idea, but you apologize And she continued to
1041
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:39.760
follow you anyway?
1042
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:40.960
Where?
1043
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.239
Did how far did she follow you?
1044
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.440
Like right up to where I go in by the wood.
1045
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.960
And by the fence. Did okay. And then what happened
1046
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.320
after that?
1047
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.119
She finally just went away?
1048
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.679
Okay? And how long ago was that? That was like
1049
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.119
a month or two ago? Okay? And was that the
1050
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.960
was that an incident dealing with the uh she had
1051
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.480
her the dog and the kids were over there? No,
1052
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.760
that was something different okay, okay? And I think that
1053
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.159
was I want to say, was it April? Did that
1054
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.360
sound right with the you had called?
1055
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.400
Because again, the kids were over there, the dog was
1056
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.599
over there, so it sounded all right, okay, but that
1057
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.079
wasn't different inside. Now where were you at when you
1058
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.199
you had that conversation where she started following you? Where
1059
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:25.599
were you in the street?
1060
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.519
Okay, like by the mailboxes or no?
1061
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.239
No, no, I was close to her driveway, close to
1062
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.760
her driveway, okay, all right?
1063
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.360
Did she make any threats of physical violence to you? Then?
1064
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.960
I can't remember unless I can't.
1065
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.679
Remember, Okay, she was following you, and that made you
1066
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:44.679
feel creepy, right or creepy out? I think it's the
1067
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.920
more you said, okay, but she didn't. There wasn't any
1068
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.159
threats of physical violence then. And you said, why would you.
1069
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.119
If the conversation is over, why would you still pursue someone.
1070
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.639
I mean to me, was she was she still saying things?
1071
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.079
Was she still no?
1072
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:01.239
Just foss me?
1073
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.719
And I just felt like, you know, at any point
1074
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:06.239
in time she could knock me down and do something.
1075
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.199
I was like, oh my god, and I just I
1076
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:10.840
didn't want to tangle with her anymore.
1077
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.679
And was it only her kid that you called a slave?
1078
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.559
Or was there other kids in the neighborhood anyone a slave? Oh?
1079
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.440
I'm sorry, I thought you said you said sorry for it,
1080
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:21.599
said sorry for it.
1081
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.119
Because I didn't know how it wants to diffuse the situation.
1082
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.559
Okay, so you told her that that you did say that,
1083
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:29.760
but you're saying that you were saying it is to
1084
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:30.559
difuse the situation.
1085
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.519
Yes, absolutely, have you ever called any of those kids.
1086
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:35.840
You never called them a slave.
1087
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.239
Never never said anything about this not being an underground
1088
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.760
railroad to.
1089
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.119
An underground railroad comment or something like that that was mentioned. No,
1090
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:48.079
we did so many interviews there there is a statement
1091
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:48.679
like that made.
1092
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.639
All right, that's new to me, But it's completely new
1093
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:54.239
to me. I don't know where the hell that came from.
1094
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.400
So, Susan, I'm looking at this from the outside here,
1095
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.760
and this really is not adding up to me. I
1096
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.039
don't you use the word reasonable and prudent earlier. That's
1097
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.159
an interesting series of words to use. That's like a
1098
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.559
series of words that we use as law enforcement officers
1099
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.800
when we try to look at things and there's a
1100
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.079
big jump here that you're making logically, that doesn't I
1101
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.719
can't seem to make the jump. I've had a really
1102
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.800
hard time getting there. You've you've known this woman for
1103
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.199
a year and a half to two years. Your only
1104
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:26.760
communications were two to three times. They were she the
1105
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.360
dog's pooping, and then there was another time where you
1106
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.519
called her. You said I'm sorry about calling your kids
1107
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.800
their names, and she followed behind you. You thought that
1108
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.719
was creepy. She's never threatened you, she's never displayed a
1109
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.400
firearm towards you. She starts yelling on your epatio area,
1110
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.519
banging hard on your door, which your door is locked,
1111
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.400
and then you you're scared. Now you're saying that you're scared, which, okay,
1112
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:52.920
I can I can get to that. I can get
1113
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.679
to that point that you're scared. There's someone knocking on
1114
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.079
your door, pounding, there's someone pounding.
1115
00:45:58.800 --> 00:45:59.239
On your door.
1116
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.800
There's someone pounding on your door. They're pounding on your door.
1117
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.679
And I can't get to the point where pounding on
1118
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.800
the door leads to your leads to you being heard
1119
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.880
or killed. I don't I can't get just gonna.
1120
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:14.480
Break the door down.
1121
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.360
The door you could see that it was well repaired
1122
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.320
and re repaired and all that crack like that, So
1123
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:20.960
I never felt that door was secure.
1124
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.880
You have an extended dead bolt, and you've never been
1125
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.239
in any kind of violent situation where someone's kicked in
1126
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:28.880
your door or or like kool aid man through your
1127
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:31.760
entire wall. You've never there has not been that situation.
1128
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.639
So I'm I'm trying to do the reasonable imprudence. I'm
1129
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:36.639
trying to come into your shoes there, and it's I'm
1130
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.800
having a hard jump there because described to me, aj,
1131
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:40.719
what does she look like?
1132
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:47.639
Total black woman? Heavy said, yeah, okay.
1133
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.440
Does she have a very muscular We've only you've only
1134
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:53.400
known her for a year and a half. You only
1135
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.400
had so many communications. I mean, is she is she
1136
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.639
like a muscular person that's able to like, I don't know,
1137
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.400
do extreme feats of strength of just you weight training
1138
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.800
her front guard. Help me understand this. I That's what
1139
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.280
I'm trying I'm having a hard time with this, understand,
1140
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:14.719
I'm just of someone me. But to get to she's
1141
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.119
gonna get through the wall is where I don't. I
1142
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.400
can't get there. I don't understand. What if And I
1143
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.679
was I was thinking about this earlier. What if the
1144
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.920
police officer had already arrived and she is loud and
1145
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.360
she's still yelling, and now the officer standing in front
1146
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.480
of the door, and he does some knocks, but she's
1147
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.159
still on that door patio yelling and you're shooting. You
1148
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.880
can't see, there's no people, there's no window, there's nothing,
1149
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.239
and then you shoot. And what if the darn officer
1150
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.159
was on the other side of the door, You see
1151
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.000
what I mean? And obviously she's still runs, she's still
1152
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.480
run in her mouth, she's still going, but you don't
1153
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.159
know what's on the other side of that door, I mean,
1154
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.039
And and and that's that's what some of the issues
1155
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:54.920
are that I can't, I can't get there, And I
1156
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.960
don't understand entirely what was going on in your mind.
1157
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.519
And I don't I don't see how that is entire
1158
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.760
Were you on alcohol or anything like? I gotta ask
1159
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.719
these questions. Were there anything in your mind, that would
1160
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.559
impair yourself in your judgments.
1161
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.639
I took Bilduca earlier in the day. What is what
1162
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.679
is that? It was for my back? Okay?
1163
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.000
Is that a narcotic? I'm not I'm not a muscle relax.
1164
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.519
I'm guessing here it's it's a pain reliever. Okay, it's
1165
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.760
a pain reliever. And does that have like something on
1166
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.920
the bottle that it would a film?
1167
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:27.800
Okay?
1168
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.039
Does that like don't don't occup don't use motor vehicles
1169
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:32.280
or something like that. What does it do to you?
1170
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.159
How does make you feel?
1171
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:34.599
It just makes me sleepy?
1172
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.239
Called be buca bel buca bl b u c A. Okay?
1173
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.679
Does that have to do with your artery issue and
1174
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:43.079
your kid?
1175
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.960
I had a car wreck, so I had a fusion
1176
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.159
at my lower back, I'm sorry, fusion in my neck
1177
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.239
and then lamin neck for me at my lower back,
1178
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.159
and I've got this thing that goes backwards.
1179
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:56.639
So okay, some issues okay.
1180
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.320
And I have a torn roctator drove okay.
1181
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.719
And at do you have issues with any kind of
1182
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.039
previous from the car accident? I have to ask I
1183
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.239
head injury, which would impair your memory or affect your
1184
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:08.119
memory or anything like that.
1185
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.320
I don't remember. I think I hit my head on
1186
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.840
the stirring wheel from the accident.
1187
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.800
Okay, do you suffer time and spatial memory issues where
1188
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.559
you can't remember a certain amounts of time and things
1189
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.320
like that? And the reason that I asked that is
1190
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.159
you had indicated that this was somewhere between like five
1191
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:25.800
to ten minutes or something. Am I getting that right
1192
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.840
to type of stuff? Okay? From the cameras that are
1193
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.119
that we've looked at in the area here, this incident
1194
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.079
did not last for five to ten minutes.
1195
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:35.440
Okay.
1196
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.840
Now, I from the people that we spoke to, there's
1197
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.760
aspects of this that I can agree about. She's talking loud,
1198
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.960
she's banged on that door. We're going to agree with that.
1199
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.440
But the actual number of knocks. You did three knocks,
1200
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.039
and then you said there was a pause. I never said, well, well,
1201
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.440
you said bang, bang bang, and then she stopped, which
1202
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.039
I counted three. Now, if there was something different, you
1203
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.119
can tell me. I'm just going I was remembering earlier
1204
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.400
said bang bang bang, There was three, then she stopped,
1205
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.800
and then she continued to and then what happened happened.
1206
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.559
Nothing has led me to believe as an investigator that
1207
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:11.760
was like five to ten minutes.
1208
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.239
Okay, Okay, maybe it just seemed like it was longer.
1209
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.760
Okay, probably because you know, it's a general Russian just
1210
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:18.960
getting so upset.
1211
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.400
Sure, whenever adrenaline comes in, it can make things seem
1212
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.400
like they stretch out. From some of the other statements
1213
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:27.519
we've got, some of the things that we've learned, it
1214
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.639
sounds more like there was three knocks and then there
1215
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.239
was three more and then she was shot. It sounds
1216
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.239
like this was very quick. It sounds like this was
1217
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.400
like within a span of less than twenty seconds, is
1218
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.679
what I would say. Is it possible that your time
1219
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:42.159
is awful?
1220
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:46.239
This it could be okay, I to me, it felt
1221
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:46.800
like forever.
1222
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.559
Okay, So if I mean, if this is if this
1223
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.519
is like what's being described as a twenty second this
1224
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.400
is a brief encounter. It's a brief encounter with loud banging,
1225
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.840
with loud yelling. The statements that some of the savings
1226
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.880
that you're saying occurred, like I'm going to kill you
1227
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.719
and those kind of threats. No one else has heard you,
1228
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.239
and no one else has heard her snake those statements. Okay, Okay,
1229
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.159
I'm worried that some of the prior experiences you've had
1230
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.360
in your life that we've talked about today, they are
1231
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.440
traumatic experience sexual violence against you when you were a kid.
1232
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.079
All those people coming and trying to get you, that
1233
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.119
there's something going on in your head. Are you not
1234
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.920
sure about some of the things we've talked about today
1235
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.440
regarding some of the things you're saying that you heard.
1236
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.360
Is it possible she never threatened you at all.
1237
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.400
I swear to God, I thought she said I'm going
1238
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.280
to kill you. I mean, that's why I just panicked.
1239
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.000
As soon as those words came out of her mouth.
1240
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.519
That was like Jesus Christ, She's going to kill me?
1241
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:40.920
Okay?
1242
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:45.360
And how did you imagine yourself being killed? Remembering that
1243
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.679
there's that block wall, that door. How is she going
1244
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:50.079
to be able to do that? What makes you think
1245
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:50.280
that she.
1246
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.960
Was able to do she was still pounding, but that
1247
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.400
that she could have come right through that class wall.
1248
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.239
I mean, the class story didn't well. We talked about
1249
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:58.800
pounding on the door. Did she ever pound on the
1250
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.599
glass wall? Is it window wall?
1251
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:00.880
Help me?
1252
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.599
It's doors? It's alass sliding door.
1253
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:06.239
She pound on that?
1254
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.880
I can she may have I don't know. All I
1255
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:11.639
kept thinking that she's going to gain entrance.
1256
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:12.199
She's going to kill it.
1257
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.199
And that's why I asked you earlier if you recalled
1258
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.320
if she tried to was that door locked?
1259
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.679
The sliding glass door? As I say, do you have
1260
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.360
like anything I had?
1261
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:25.400
I think there was a wood piece.
1262
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.159
In the slider. Okay, And you don't recall she tried
1263
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:29.599
that door.
1264
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.760
I just remember lots of pounding, lots of pounding, you know,
1265
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.320
just to me, it was just an enormous.
1266
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.199
Amount of pounding, screaming, yelling, and you know.
1267
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.079
I felt like she was going to come through that door,
1268
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.599
and I think to take depend or touched on it,
1269
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.639
like it in your head? What you know, during the panic,
1270
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.480
during all these thoughts, how what did you feel that
1271
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:50.559
was going to happen and.
1272
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:51.880
She's going to come in there and beat the ship?
1273
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.079
I mean until I was dead. I mean that's what
1274
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:54.559
I felt.
1275
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.719
I mean, I don't understand why she came over my house,
1276
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.559
if there was all these issues and problems, why she
1277
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.800
just called you know, that's to me, that's what you
1278
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.280
would do if you're normal, you know, and that's a
1279
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.360
normal thing to do if something happens to me, I
1280
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.360
called them police, you know, and I'm like, okay, you know,
1281
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:10.039
the kids are.
1282
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:11.960
Being mine or she's banging, you know.
1283
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.239
But when I couldn't find my phone and everything, I
1284
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.400
was just like shit, Yeah, I honestly what I felt she.
1285
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:19.320
Was going to kill me.
1286
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.840
Okay, So during that time you had hung up with
1287
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.480
nine one one. You asked you still estimate approximately ten
1288
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.679
minutes before the banging started, yes, and then you saying
1289
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.079
anywhere from two to five minutes or longer that the
1290
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:37.280
banging and the yelling lasted. However, as Detective Pender mentioned,
1291
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.280
we've we've reviewed video, We've talked to multiple people out
1292
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:45.239
there who all kind of give the similar I mean,
1293
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.760
everybody's perspective is different. And that's why I ask you
1294
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.960
the same question a couple of times, because people's perspectives.
1295
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.039
We could be both looking at the same thing.
1296
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.800
And later on you asked me what you asked that's
1297
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.400
the same question, and we have different reactions, different answers
1298
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:03.320
because we focus on different things, we remember different things.
1299
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:06.960
That's why everybody is unique. And that's just the wait.
1300
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:11.039
But to me, that similar in some of the specifics
1301
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.159
of what we're what we're really looking at.
1302
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.800
We're talking about a very tight, a much more tighter
1303
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.079
timeframe of of this incident that happened at your front
1304
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.599
door before that shot was fired.
1305
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.480
So is is that is that possible? Is that feasible
1306
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:28.880
that it was?
1307
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:30.239
To me?
1308
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:30.800
It felt?
1309
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.000
I mean, I'm giving you what I felt and what
1310
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:33.440
I thought.
1311
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:33.880
It was.
1312
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.559
Okay, all right, now that you're out of now that
1313
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.119
you're out of the moment, I mean, do you do
1314
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.599
you think that she could somehow get through that wall
1315
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.119
now that you're out, now that you're not in the
1316
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.280
house anymore, and that you still fear I just.
1317
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:51.639
Still feel she was coming up me.
1318
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.119
I'm sorry, it's what I feel, Okay.
1319
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.800
I've just it's been playing in my head over and
1320
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.280
over again, and I just kept thinking of that and how.
1321
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:01.000
Terrified I was.
1322
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:02.840
Was your goal to shoot and kill her?
1323
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:03.079
No?
1324
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:04.360
What was your goal?
1325
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.760
So shoot and hopefully you know she'd hear the shot
1326
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:08.679
and dissipay.
1327
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.360
And but you took aim at the door, is that right?
1328
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:12.719
Yes?
1329
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:13.840
Okay?
1330
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.719
And the goal was to strike the door and to
1331
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:24.000
dissipate it. I I just I just got having a
1332
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.199
really hard time making this jump here that this unarmed
1333
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.519
person on the other side of the wall is somehow
1334
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.840
gonna is somehow gonna get into your house and kill you.
1335
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.519
I'm just really having a hard time getting there. I've
1336
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.920
been doing this job as a homicide investigator for for
1337
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:46.119
several years, and I've seen houses that are made out
1338
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:49.320
of like pretty much pretty much be paper mache. Okay,
1339
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.840
doors that are so thin, like walls that also would
1340
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.639
you could just push through, and for this is a
1341
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:01.239
blockhouse with a solid door. I just I just don't.
1342
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:06.039
I I've seen cases before where there is an angry
1343
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.840
spouse and z I'm let me back in the house.
1344
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.239
You can't throw me out, and they'll they'll kick the
1345
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.480
wall as hard as they can and they're not getting
1346
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.559
in some of these some of these doors open inwards outwards.
1347
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:16.840
I don't.
1348
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:18.719
I don't know which way your door opens. Which which
1349
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:19.480
way does it open?
1350
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:20.039
Is it?
1351
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.000
It opens? It opens outward and it opens okay, so
1352
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:28.760
it opens inwards, Okay. So you know, they work on
1353
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.880
these doors and they're not even able to make entry,
1354
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.519
and they just they just give up. And I'm really
1355
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.519
having a hard time understanding, like how you if you
1356
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:41.039
could go back in time, would you not do what
1357
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.360
you did? Would you would you take it back and
1358
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.960
and I don't know, wait another how however long it
1359
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.920
took for the police to get there. I'm I'm trying
1360
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.840
to understand that. Would you feel like you did something
1361
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:52.320
wrong here?
1362
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.880
I did what I felt I had to. I honestly,
1363
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.400
God thought she was gonna kill me. I mean, that's
1364
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:58.960
all I felt.
1365
00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.639
I just felt that.
1366
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:01.400
I mean, it was your tailor.
1367
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:05.159
So I went out to the house that morning, you know,
1368
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:06.440
when I met you out.
1369
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:11.559
There, and I tested the door. First of all, I
1370
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.119
looked at the door. We processed the door, just to
1371
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.960
see what areas might have been touched by AJ. I
1372
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.239
looked at the doorframe where it had been repaired. It
1373
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.000
looked like there was a type of putty or something
1374
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.519
used where the wood frame had been separated.
1375
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.559
I examined the dead bolt lock.
1376
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:33.199
The the strike plates were in there pretty fastened pretty securely.
1377
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:39.039
The bottom lock, just the doorknob lock. And even when
1378
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.800
the door closed, I stood on the outside. There were
1379
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.559
no indentations, no no dens in the door anywhere that
1380
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.360
I could that I could see. And I pounded on
1381
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:51.559
the door pretty pretty hard. And that was with the
1382
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.519
door unlocked completely. There was no lock secured and that
1383
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.280
door was very sturdy. And I'm not I'm not trying
1384
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.119
to take away the fears of being scared and everything,
1385
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.360
because I think that that is a legitimately a scary
1386
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.920
situation to be put in. But to justify to go
1387
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.320
from being scared to a point where you're taking deadly
1388
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:14.000
force on someone who's standing on on the other side
1389
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.519
of the door and you don't even know where you're
1390
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.960
you're shooting at, that's a that's a big jump, and
1391
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.000
I think that's where detective vendors could be.
1392
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.920
I could have been one of the kids standing there
1393
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:23.280
or something, but it.
1394
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.440
Was her standing there. I mean I heard her voice, sure.
1395
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:30.840
But some people don't talk regardless of that that fact.
1396
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:33.440
As I was saying, to go from that, and I
1397
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.400
didn't even have any locks, and I'm pounding on it,
1398
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.360
and yes there there were Our forensic technicians were inside
1399
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.159
looking and yes things were vibrating, but they also stated
1400
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.679
that the door didn't seem like it was going to
1401
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.519
move and it barely budged even with the door unlocked.
1402
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.239
So and that's why it's important for.
1403
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.599
Us to go through these things to try to determine,
1404
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.400
you know, to try to put ourselves in your position,
1405
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.440
in your mind at that time.
1406
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:03.599
As much as possible.
1407
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.519
But to get that help us trying to understand that
1408
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.480
a little bit more, to get to that point from
1409
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.159
a fairly secure door, because like he said, it's true,
1410
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.519
we've we've gotten to some of these trailers where you
1411
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.000
could pretty much push the door open and and that.
1412
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.239
Is a pretty secure house. Your house is pretty secure.
1413
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.400
That landlord did a good job, I guess keeping everything secure.
1414
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:26.000
It looked like it was.
1415
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.719
Everything was good. So you've never had a break in
1416
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:30.199
there before?
1417
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:30.440
Right?
1418
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.719
Okay, no break in there? Uh, there's the rod in
1419
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:41.639
the track. I Uh did you have I know that
1420
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.800
you spoke this one in two or three times before.
1421
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.000
Did you speak to it earlier that day on Friday? Okay,
1422
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:48.840
so you didn't talk to her earlier that day Friday.
1423
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.840
There wasn't did you have any any conflicts with anybody
1424
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.159
in particular on Friday at all?
1425
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.119
Just the kids went there. Well, it wasn't a conflict.
1426
00:59:58.159 --> 00:59:59.239
I just told them to come on and stop.
1427
00:59:59.280 --> 00:59:59.880
She was passing you.
1428
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:00.800
Move along.
1429
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.039
Take you cause they kids kept putting things out.
1430
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.840
They had marbles by my truck. Uh huh, they put
1431
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.159
their skates out I tripped over the skate one morning
1432
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.039
that I have to be very early, and I'm like, crap,
1433
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.559
and I'm like, stop leaving your freaking toys here.
1434
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.320
You know, I'm not the most stable person, you know,
1435
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.719
with my knees and stuff like that too. When I'm walking,
1436
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.679
if I fall again, you know, who the hell knows
1437
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.119
what's gonna happen between my back and my knees and
1438
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.559
you know, the uh, their injury. And I don't want
1439
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.400
to understand why they just keep leaving their crap there,
1440
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.039
leaving their crap there, and I'm like, I.
1441
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:37.320
It's it sounds that sounds frustrating, and it's extraordinarily frustrating.
1442
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.400
The you said there was a skate. Was there something
1443
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:41.920
that happened with a skate on Friday.
1444
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.559
When the kids were there? Yeah, they keep leaving the
1445
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.760
skates really close to the house. I'm like, stop.
1446
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:50.079
Already, you know, because when you go around, you do stuff,
1447
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.559
and you're bringing packages and sometimes I bring the truck up.
1448
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.159
I'm like, I don't wanna walk over your skates and
1449
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:55.760
I really pick your dam it up.
1450
01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:00.199
So so where were those skates when you're when you
1451
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:00.760
picked them up?
1452
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.079
I'm wanna say they were maybe five six feet with
1453
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:09.199
the sidewalk on.
1454
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:13.920
The grass, yes, okay, And you you took some photograph
1455
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.440
or took a photograph of that with your phone, yes okay.
1456
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.440
And there was a video at some point.
1457
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:19.960
It looked like you were taking a picture or a
1458
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.280
video through the screen from you being inside to them outside.
1459
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:26.920
Is that the around the timeframe that you flick you
1460
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.840
shot on the bird or something along those lines. Maybe
1461
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.400
not really okay, Probably okay, because it looked like there
1462
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:35.719
was a bunch of them kind of further out in
1463
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.400
the field, but there was a there was a lot
1464
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.679
of kids playing out there.
1465
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.719
And I guess you heard how many screaming over the TV.
1466
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.719
Okay, So when you h you went out there and
1467
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.480
one of the one of AJ's kids was out there.
1468
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:54.159
And this is around the timeframe where the skate you
1469
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.119
threw the skates out into the yard or something like that.
1470
01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.000
But this is also so that was that was what
1471
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.960
was reported to from from a few people. Yes, But
1472
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.800
also during that time rame was where that tablet situation
1473
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:06.239
came up.
1474
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.519
So is there no reason what this tablet thing is?
1475
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:11.159
It's like Amazon tablet, you know, electronic tablet.
1476
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:12.320
I never saw the tablet.
1477
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:12.679
Never.
1478
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.440
He kept saying it, where's my tablet, where's my talmet?
1479
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:17.920
So he did, he did ask you about it, but
1480
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:18.519
you didn't have.
1481
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.719
It, so you never I never it, never picked it,
1482
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:22.519
never touched it up.
1483
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.239
And why would he make that part up if because
1484
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.960
he said, and it really doesn't change, doesn't change, it
1485
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:28.960
doesn't change anything.
1486
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.760
I'm just trying to understand. Uh.
1487
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.840
He said that he was going to the basketball courts
1488
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:36.800
after they played in the field and he's like, I
1489
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:38.840
forgot my tablet. And he comes over and he sees
1490
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.239
you holding it and he says, never put it down,
1491
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:44.599
and you kind of tossed it down. And then that's
1492
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.360
when you threw the skates and one of them hit
1493
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.360
him in the toe or the foot or something like that.
1494
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:50.400
Because they were standing here and I threw it with
1495
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.679
my left hand. I made sure that I didn't. I
1496
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:54.119
just threw him over to the other side.
1497
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.079
That's why you told him to fetch or something that
1498
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:56.800
you told.
1499
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.400
Because he said give me my skates. I'm like, here,
1500
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.000
go get them.
1501
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:04.559
You already had them in your hand at that point.
1502
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.079
You okay, what were you gonna do with them?
1503
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:08.320
Just throw them on your side?
1504
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:10.840
Just get him money, So you don't remember the tablet
1505
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:11.239
or anything like.
1506
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.760
It was never I never saw a tablet, never touched
1507
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:15.840
the tallet. I don't know where the hell the tallet
1508
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.000
came from, so I have no idea.
1509
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.000
And then the uh, the situation with the umbrella. I
1510
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.880
know we had talked about it a little bit before,
1511
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.719
but do you remember who that was out there?
1512
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:33.280
When was that? When? Excuse me? Was that when the
1513
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:38.320
older AJ's order came over? What was he saying to you?
1514
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.000
That's when he said, I said, you guys need to leave.
1515
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.000
He's I don't need to leave.
1516
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:43.440
I can do anywhere I want.
1517
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.480
It's you know I have this is I forget what
1518
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.280
the hell he said, just something to the effect that
1519
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.000
I have no limits where I.
1520
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.920
Can go like okay, okay.
1521
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.679
But he wasn't the one that was there when you
1522
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:56.760
tossed the roller skates into the yard. It was the
1523
01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:01.360
other s uh, the other child was both boys?
1524
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:05.119
Were they both there with the okay? So when you
1525
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.119
came out the umbrella that was behind your door, was
1526
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:08.599
that the one?
1527
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:09.000
Yes?
1528
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:13.679
Okay? And what what exactly happened with that? Because that's
1529
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:14.519
another one of those.
1530
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.519
Things where we were talking to people who were right
1531
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.639
there kind of they already heard some yelling and back
1532
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:21.800
and forth, so they're kind of watching and.
1533
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.199
With my hands so swinging the umbrella.
1534
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:28.519
Just come on, guys, leave you allay?
1535
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.760
Just how far away were they when you were doing
1536
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:33.239
this and where you were at?
1537
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.639
I remember being on the sidebook and then they were
1538
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:40.880
at least five seven feet away from me. They weren't
1539
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:41.360
even close.
1540
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.800
What did they do when you were swinging it around? Nothing?
1541
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:48.239
They didn't do anything. They didn't say anything, they didn't
1542
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:48.760
back away.
1543
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:55.199
I don't I'm cool, Okay, I didn't rain on Friday?
1544
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:56.159
Why did you have an umbrella?
1545
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:01.559
We had a precip and my when the kids got quiet.
1546
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.639
That it rained finally and they went home, because that's
1547
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:09.320
why you had the umbrella home. Yes, so it's if
1548
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:10.800
I were to It sounds like there's a lot of
1549
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:12.559
things going on with the kids that day. It sounds
1550
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.679
like you're you're taking videos, be in cause and then
1551
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.159
there was a middle finger towards this guy. It sounds
1552
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:19.440
like the skates are in the way. You had to
1553
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:21.960
throw those because he says, give me the skates, you
1554
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.360
throw them. You throw the skates, and then you're swinging
1555
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.719
the umbrella because they're not getting away as there's a
1556
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:28.880
lot going on with the kids.
1557
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:29.079
Is that?
1558
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.000
Is that accurate? Are the kids yelling that day?
1559
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:32.400
Oh?
1560
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:38.239
They were screaming and yelling, screaming and yelling. Okay, it
1561
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:40.039
sounds like there was things going on with them. And
1562
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:42.480
then one of the kids moms comes up to your
1563
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.400
house and knocks on the door.
1564
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:44.880
Is that right?
1565
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:46.840
Did she say what she was talking on the door about?
1566
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.960
I don't remember if we cover that A yes, yes, AJ.
1567
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:52.960
Was it about the umbrella, the skates or something different?
1568
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.360
Because to speak to you because you're talking to my sons,
1569
01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:59.320
I don't like the way you're talking to.
1570
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.119
My son's okay. So she bangs on the door and
1571
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:03.880
she wants to because we've talked about all the things
1572
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:05.440
that happened the day she's banging on the door, and
1573
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:07.719
she wants to address you regarding how you're talking to
1574
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.639
her sons. Yes, and there's already been that prior incident
1575
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:12.199
in the in the two or three times that you
1576
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:15.000
guys met, and one of those times it was you're
1577
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:16.960
talking to her sons and you're saying like racial things
1578
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:22.840
like that, racial slurs. She she said that you did Okay.
1579
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.760
So it sounds like she has a reason that she
1580
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:27.800
wants to talk to you, and she's banging on your
1581
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:33.679
your door, okay, I.
1582
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.000
But she's enraged, she's screaming, she's not acting to me
1583
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.519
whence would be like a normal, average, every day reasonable person.
1584
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.000
I mean to me, that was someone who was really angry.
1585
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.039
Do you you're for.
1586
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.159
Certain that when you went to retrieve your gun, that's
1587
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:56.800
where you keep it in that trash can, that's where
1588
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.079
it was at.
1589
01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:57.760
I'm sorry, did you.
1590
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:05.320
Susan real quick here? Have you ever been diagnosed with
1591
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:08.920
any mental health issues? Depression, bipolar disorder? Have you ever
1592
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:17.440
had to go to a mental health facility? Have you
1593
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:18.800
ever sought therapy for anything?
1594
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:19.199
Yes?
1595
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:22.400
What have you sought therapy for for the rape?
1596
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:22.800
Okay?
1597
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:24.880
And is that something you attended as a child or
1598
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:26.800
something you've attended later on in your life or something
1599
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:26.960
like that.
1600
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.519
It's like twenty years old, okay.
1601
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:31.519
And when you were seeking therapy, what were you trying
1602
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.239
to heal? What were you trying to fix? Aside from
1603
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:35.960
the sexual abuse? Was there something psychologically that happened to you?
1604
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:39.880
I just shut down, You just shut down.
1605
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.960
I wasn't feeling any emotions or anything like that.
1606
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.199
You just have no emotion whatsoever. It was just flat effect.
1607
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.519
Okay, did therapy help you with that? And then later
1608
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.119
on in life you had a friend that was buried
1609
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:52.880
and breathing in the dirt, and then the screaming and
1610
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.079
then that and then I remember one of the words
1611
01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:58.800
you heard was that causes you'd be triggered whenever you
1612
01:07:58.960 --> 01:07:59.639
hear screaming.
1613
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.239
And the reason why I say triggered, I worked at
1614
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:02.840
the guest house.
1615
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.559
They do therapy and stuff, so just picked up some
1616
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:07.000
of the words as I was working there.
1617
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:09.320
Sure, So when you say triggered, how does that make
1618
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:12.039
you feel? What does that do to you? It just
1619
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:15.760
makes me feel hard, horrible? What does that feel like?
1620
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:17.520
What is that feeling? Is that it's a feeling inside
1621
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:22.439
your body? Describe that to me more? Just absolutely like
1622
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.880
I'm sick. The screaming makes you feel sick?
1623
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:25.640
Okay?
1624
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.239
Does does this sick feeling? Does this triggered feeling ever
1625
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.159
make you do things that you wouldn't normally do, say,
1626
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.760
say things you wouldn't normally say, act in ways you
1627
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.600
wouldn't normally act because of some trauma that you had.
1628
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.399
I was gonna say I don't know, You're not sure.
1629
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.720
Do you ever sometimes feel as if you get so
1630
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.239
upset about something, crying, angry or something like that that
1631
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:57.760
it overwhelms you, that you you get overcome with emotion.
1632
01:08:58.880 --> 01:08:59.880
Does anything like that ever.
1633
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.039
Have unto you? Think?
1634
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:10.239
You know, the time was of death, but I that
1635
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:11.359
was normal emotions.
1636
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.319
Sometimes whenever people get picked on and they get yelled at,
1637
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.680
and they hear yelling and things like that with you,
1638
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:19.239
they they say things and they do things they don't
1639
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.199
mean they see red as some people say they see
1640
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.359
red and that wasn't myself, detective, and they say things
1641
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.560
like that to me. And I'm trying to understand if
1642
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.319
some of these kids have triggered you and made you
1643
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.520
do things and say things that that isn't you. It's
1644
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.760
not Susan, is not the person that's sitting in front
1645
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.399
of me. Do you ever feel like anything like that
1646
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:34.239
ever happens to you.
1647
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:39.479
The kids definitely just make me feel, you know, sick.
1648
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.479
They just you know, they call me grandma, they call me.
1649
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.159
Karen. I'm trying to think they've said horrible things.
1650
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.319
The other thing was trying to think sometimes to an infection.
1651
01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.279
I can't remember what they held was do.
1652
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.159
You say horrible things back that you wouldn't normally that
1653
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:00.880
you're not proud of?
1654
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.239
Absolutely? So I just you know, stop stop.
1655
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:07.920
I didn't ask you this before, but I saw inside
1656
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:09.760
you have like a someone. I saw a home office
1657
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.239
set up. Do you work from home?
1658
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:13.359
Yes, you do, so you're up pretty much.
1659
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.800
You're always there and you're always having to be acceptable
1660
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:19.560
to whatever exactly do.
1661
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:21.720
And now it's summertime.
1662
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:27.000
Yeah. But they I'm very pragmatic. I'm like, you know,
1663
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.119
if you see stuff up here and you know this
1664
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:31.880
is my front door, why do you keep coming by
1665
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.159
my front door screaming and yelling?
1666
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.439
And they're like, you know, it doesn't matter, you don't matter.
1667
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:38.159
I had a little black kid come up to me
1668
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.880
and said, you're white, you're old, no one, you have
1669
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:41.640
no one in your life.
1670
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:42.600
You're not worth anything.
1671
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.039
So I'm like, great, yeah, what did you tell What
1672
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:47.960
did you tell that person?
1673
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:50.279
I told them, we're always alone.
1674
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:50.800
I guess what.
1675
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.000
You come in the world alone, and you know he
1676
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.039
leaves the world alone.
1677
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:55.880
Okay.
1678
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.840
And when you say that, it sounds like you handle
1679
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:00.680
that well. When you say that, you've said things before
1680
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.239
that you're not proud of. Describe that to me.
1681
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:06.039
I shouldn't have called them names. I shouldn't have I
1682
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:07.600
should have been branded.
1683
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.000
In a little okay.
1684
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.960
And then when we talk about racial slurs, if you
1685
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.359
made those, not to anyone in particular, You've just spoken
1686
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:18.600
to the air, You've spoken to other people. Because there's
1687
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:22.359
been multiple different ways that we've kind of been learning
1688
01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:24.680
about you saying these things. Describe that to me, and
1689
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:30.239
specifically in regards to words like the N word that
1690
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.159
you've said, describe that to me specifically when you've said that.
1691
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:35.680
I can't remember if I said it or if I
1692
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:36.359
didn't say.
1693
01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:43.079
You sound whether it or I mean, I don't know
1694
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.920
someone's calling you names, and it's you can become kind
1695
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.720
of overwhelmed with your having to hear this kind of
1696
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.479
thing all the time, and like you said, you might
1697
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:53.520
say something that you normally wouldn't say.
1698
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:55.680
I don't remember.
1699
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:56.920
I honestly don't remember.
1700
01:11:57.960 --> 01:11:59.880
So I've noticed there's been some just some gaps in
1701
01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:01.800
your memory. And that's why I've asked you about your
1702
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:04.399
memory because some of the specific things that I asked
1703
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.279
you know, specifically this you say, I'm not sure, I
1704
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.720
don't remember, And that's happened a couple of times while
1705
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.960
we've been talking today, So I'm trying to better understand
1706
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.920
that is why you don't remember some of these things
1707
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:18.439
specifically what's going on. I don't know if it's something
1708
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:20.600
you feel shameful or embarrassed about. I don't want you
1709
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:22.760
to feel that way while we're talking. I'd rather you
1710
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.039
just be honest with me. But that's why I've been
1711
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:31.520
asking you some of those things. Is there is there
1712
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:33.680
any reason why there anybody would have any video or
1713
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:37.640
anything like that you of you saying like the N word?
1714
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:39.000
Is there any reason why.
1715
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:39.560
Someone would have that?
1716
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.960
I have no idea, and if I did, let it go,
1717
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.680
I'm sorry, this will tell.
1718
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.399
What be honest?
1719
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:50.399
With? What context would it slip out? Do you think,
1720
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:52.840
I mean, what would happen for you to say something
1721
01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:54.560
like that if.
1722
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.000
They were being extraordinarily rude or if they were just
1723
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.159
I was always taught then that you were just being
1724
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.920
a more ful, you know, dirty, She was just I
1725
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.880
don't know, generally, not being pleasant, okay, And it's only
1726
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.960
because again that was hunger. I'm almost Polish, and it
1727
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:15.960
came up in the conversation. So they asked me to
1728
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:18.840
go to my friend Sheila and ask her what does
1729
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:20.680
the N word mean? And her mom said, you know,
1730
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:22.680
it just means that someone who doesn't work, someone who
1731
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:27.079
is not productive, someone who is not you know, acting normally, you.
1732
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:27.920
Know, willfully.
1733
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:33.000
Sure, okay, and in the times that you.
1734
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:35.439
I'm sorry, there's I think.
1735
01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:39.479
There's just like a lot of other words that that
1736
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.079
are I believe out there to describe those things as well.
1737
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:45.399
I mean, is it what is it in particular about
1738
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.279
that word or slave boy that I never.
1739
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:49.880
Said slave boy?
1740
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:52.560
I never said the words they never Okay, So I
1741
01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:53.960
don't know why you keep coming back to this.
1742
01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:59.840
Well that's yeah, and said you never used the word slave,
1743
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:03.720
absolutely not something like that. Is there any reason why
1744
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:05.760
anybody would have a video like that? Is there any
1745
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:06.920
reason why that would exist?
1746
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:10.159
No, there shouldn't be, shouldn't be anything.
1747
01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:11.399
Like that, okay.
1748
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:18.760
Ya, I mean do what I mean the underground rail
1749
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.840
wall comment again, Remember I never made.
1750
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:23.119
It underground promo comment.
1751
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:23.760
Kay.
1752
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.319
So I don't I don't know where the hell that
1753
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:30.840
came from, Okay.
1754
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:32.800
I I kind of wanna go through my notes real
1755
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.600
quick and make sure that we covered everything. We covered
1756
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:36.279
a lot of things. Can I get you o the
1757
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:40.600
water or anything while while I go through this. Okay, yeah,
1758
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:42.319
let me go through the notes and make sure we
1759
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.800
didn't miss anything here and well yeah we'll here at
1760
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:46.239
back in time.
1761
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:48.239
Is there anything else that you need right now? Any
1762
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.279
the restroom or anything the restroom? Okay, give me just
1763
01:14:51.359 --> 01:15:16.159
one second in the bathroom. Alright.
1764
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.560
So while we were in there going over everything, and
1765
01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:24.880
my supervisor came in, he's he's actually.
1766
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:27.560
Kind of been listening a little.
1767
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.000
And something that come my ear like when we were
1768
01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:35.359
talking earlier, you had mentioned the words and I asked
1769
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:36.760
you to repeat it cause I wanted to make sure
1770
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:41.560
I heard you correctly. You had mentioned, uh terminology like
1771
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:47.439
reasonable and prudent uh in reference to w how she was,
1772
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.720
how aj was r acting at your door while she
1773
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:51.840
was trespassing and everything.
1774
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.520
Where did that come from? That terminology? Is that TV?
1775
01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:00.399
Watching TV? Okay? Like uh, documentary stuff or like what did?
1776
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:04.319
Probably just crime shows and stuff?
1777
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:05.560
Crime shows? Okay?
1778
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:09.880
A and he I D I have to ask you
1779
01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.520
this is have you done any research on like the
1780
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:16.600
laws as far as like in Florida, uh self for
1781
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:18.640
as far as self defense and things like that.
1782
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:20.199
I looked at it today.
1783
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:23.640
You looked at it, and I was on Facebook.
1784
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.920
It's just some things that you know, they headed.
1785
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:30.680
Up on Facebook described that what what did you s
1786
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.279
specifically what you were reading about and learning about?
1787
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.439
Just they said self defense.
1788
01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:39.239
And I'm trying to think of how else I looked
1789
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:44.760
at today's such.
1790
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:49.039
Crap, mostly emails, but I just remember seeing self defense
1791
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:51.199
and there was a bunch of lawyers and stuff like that.
1792
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:56.279
So prior to today, even the last time that you
1793
01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.760
and I spoke on was very early Saturday morning, you
1794
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.960
would use some of that same kind of terminology in
1795
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:07.319
describing the situation that occurred at the at your front door.
1796
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.319
Prior to today, had you ever done any kind of
1797
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:11.000
research like that?
1798
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:13.319
And before I asked, let me just say, if if
1799
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.479
we were to look through everything in your phone, uh
1800
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.760
or your home desktop computer, is there any anything kind
1801
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.119
of research on your Internet history that would show that
1802
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:23.079
you've done research on.
1803
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:25.000
Like self defense? Or have you ever heard of the
1804
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.600
term standard ground? Yes? Have you ever done any kind
1805
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:29.279
of research on that? Yes?
1806
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:34.920
When it was mentioned on some guy shot someone at
1807
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.680
a convenience store and they says standing ground?
1808
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:41.359
Now, was was that like a Florida situation? Cause I
1809
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:43.279
know every state has kind of different.
1810
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:48.119
Laws in Florida, Florida, Okay, and when was that? Years ago?
1811
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.520
Those years ago that was a thing, so nothing recent.
1812
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.399
It would be on like your internet browser history. I
1813
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.720
just right, but I mean other than a basically before
1814
01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.479
this incident occurred, or but not We're not talking about
1815
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:02.199
like a couple of years ago.
1816
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:04.359
We're talking about within the last few months.
1817
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:06.920
Would there be cause your internet browser, even if you
1818
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:10.359
delete it or you go on private browser, if if
1819
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:12.479
you know, we take a look at those things, cause
1820
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:14.479
we we did go through your phone to judge order
1821
01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:16.279
sign in order for us to be able to do that,
1822
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:20.279
he'd he agreed that there was reasonable, uh enough evidence
1823
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:21.520
to be able to do that.
1824
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:23.880
So if that were the case, if we if we.
1825
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.520
Were just to look through that, would there show anything
1826
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.880
that you were looking up stand your ground or self
1827
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.000
defense laws in Florida on the Internet.
1828
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:32.720
I don't know why I look up tons of stuff.
1829
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:35.880
Is it a possibility that you looked at up could.
1830
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:36.479
Have been I don't know.
1831
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.079
Okay, I.
1832
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:44.239
Just go and see why the yellows were, you know,
1833
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:46.079
so I want to know why, Like if they have
1834
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.359
an article, what happened in the situation.
1835
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:51.840
What well, Susan, I think you know the reason why
1836
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:56.319
I'm asking that question. You're you're smart, okay, and the
1837
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:57.840
and the reason is, oh hell no.
1838
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.079
No, absolutely, I know what you're thinking. Did I look
1839
01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:02.640
up the laws so I could do something?
1840
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.479
No, this is not a situation where you said something
1841
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.039
up to because you were tired of this person.
1842
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:10.479
You were tired of the situation that they put you in.
1843
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.640
No, okay, sorry, no, okay. So while I was out
1844
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.000
there going kind of going through the notes and everything
1845
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:19.720
I went through because so when someone calls nine to one,
1846
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.399
as soon as that call goes to our communications center,
1847
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:26.159
it logs, it gives us a timestamp an hour, minute
1848
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:29.600
second from the very first time that call was received
1849
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.239
to the time that it's disconnected. Okay, And that's for
1850
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:34.920
every single time someone calls. So the first time when
1851
01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:37.359
you call nine one talking about the boys out there
1852
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:38.960
trespassing and things of that.
1853
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.479
So that call started at eight fifty four pm, So
1854
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:43.279
that's not about right.
1855
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.960
Yes, I really wasn't looking at the candy. I just
1856
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:47.720
remember calling.
1857
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:49.880
That's what time it says in our call center.
1858
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:53.520
And their call lasted for five minutes and it disconnected
1859
01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:56.319
at eight fifty nine deputies are on the way.
1860
01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:58.399
Okay, Okay, Now you.
1861
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.239
Estimated that it was a approximately ten minutes after you
1862
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.119
disconnected until the aj started putting it on your door.
1863
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:07.640
Is that correct? Is that? Okay?
1864
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.359
So the second nine to one one call where you
1865
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.680
called lady who was banging on my door, I shot.
1866
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.399
Her through the door. That call came into our call center.
1867
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:18.359
It was received at nine oh one, which is two
1868
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.880
minutes after you hung up with the communications center the
1869
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:24.840
first time. So that's two minutes that all these things
1870
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.520
that you say occurred happened at your front door. From
1871
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:29.680
pounding and pounding and pounding and pounding, I'm going to
1872
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.880
kill you, all these things within two minutes. She showed
1873
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.560
up at your at your front door and did all
1874
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:38.800
these things to the time that you pulled the trigger,
1875
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:41.640
went and found your phone and then called nine to
1876
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:42.039
one one.
1877
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:45.479
So, and that's why I'm trying to get to me.
1878
01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:47.520
It seemed like that amount of time, and that's right,
1879
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.079
so that it was that amount of time.
1880
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:51.479
Well, so clearly we've established that that was not true,
1881
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.279
that that's not the case, but that's what you felt
1882
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:57.399
it was. So you also told me that you that's
1883
01:20:57.479 --> 01:20:59.399
what you heard that she was going to kill you.
1884
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.479
Is it possible that she did not say that, and
1885
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:04.840
that's what you heard or you believed, just like you
1886
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.479
believed it was ten minutes between those calls.
1887
01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:09.720
I just thought she said, I'm going to kill you,
1888
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:11.560
and then that's what I heard. That's why I was
1889
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:13.600
so living fear in my wife. I was like Jesus Christ,
1890
01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.399
and she's punting on my door. She's gonna break in,
1891
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:16.199
She's gonna kill me.
1892
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:18.279
But is it a possibility if you believe that it
1893
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.920
was ten minutes to fifteen minutes, adding in ten minutes
1894
01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.640
before it started, and then approximately another five minutes on
1895
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:26.720
top of that, that you believe that two minutes was
1896
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.840
fifteen minutes. Was it a possibility that maybe you heard
1897
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.399
you thought you heard that, but it wasn't that what
1898
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:34.359
she actually said.
1899
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:35.199
I have no idea.
1900
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.159
That's what I heard. I'm telling you what I heard.
1901
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:42.119
So Susan, we've talked. We talked enough that I've come
1902
01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:46.640
to a conclusion here, everything that I've learned, okay, and
1903
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.199
I see this on a scale here. Detective step had
1904
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:51.079
brought up you are Susan?
1905
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:51.439
Are you?
1906
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.880
Are you the Susan that has done research on standard
1907
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:58.399
ground and has planned for this to happen. Was planning
1908
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.279
for this happens. There's a spectrum here, or is this
1909
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:03.520
is Susan over here? And then then there's also could
1910
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.479
be a Susan over here. That was I have a
1911
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:10.800
gun in the house. I am I'm scared. Someone is
1912
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:14.000
knocking on the door. I like them to go away.
1913
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.199
I'm just gonna Oh, I picked up the gun and
1914
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:18.399
I accidentally shot the gun. There's a Susan somewhere in
1915
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.000
the world like that. You somehow found a spot in
1916
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.119
the middle where you're trying to explain this, but it
1917
01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:28.319
doesn't actually make any sense that within two minutes, because
1918
01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.560
we know it's two minutes. Within two minutes, this person
1919
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.560
came over and they were able to put down a
1920
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.319
series of statements such as in you told you said this,
1921
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.039
that they came right up to the and they want
1922
01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:39.199
to have a discussion with the way that you were
1923
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:41.920
treating your their kids that day. You said that that
1924
01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.119
they were able to make that sentence, I want to
1925
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:46.279
talk to you about the kids. I'm banging on the door.
1926
01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.039
I want to talk to you about the kids. They're
1927
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:52.720
making statements like that. We've interviewed other people that it
1928
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:57.840
was a very brief interaction and then you shot them. Now,
1929
01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.760
this wasn't a long siege, it wasn't castle siege. It
1930
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.479
didn't last for twenty thirty minutes. It was two minutes.
1931
01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:08.840
So you're trying to tell us that a reasonable person
1932
01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:12.159
would shoot somebody for less than two minutes of making
1933
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.239
statements outside. That doesn't make any sense. So that I
1934
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:17.880
have to look on the scale here where is Susan.
1935
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:20.640
Did she plan this? Is she a cold budded killer
1936
01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:25.199
that plans things? Was this an accident or was this
1937
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:26.920
something that got out of hand? Is it somewhere in
1938
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.359
the middle that makes more sense, not what Susan's telling me.
1939
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:31.560
Is it somewhere in the middle, Because I know that
1940
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:33.680
I talked to the detective Staf We kind of went
1941
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.079
through your first interview, and in that first interview you
1942
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:37.720
had even said to the kids, you know what, go
1943
01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:38.359
get your mom.
1944
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:39.880
No I didn't.
1945
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:43.239
You said something along the lines. Is when they said
1946
01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:46.079
I'm gonna go get my mom, you said go get her, go.
1947
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.159
Get her, Which is fine. I want to talk to
1948
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:49.640
an adult too. I don't want to talk to a kid.
1949
01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:53.159
It's never saying that, and so this.
1950
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:55.319
Has happened a few times during our interview. Also, you
1951
01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:57.760
have these I don't remember, I don't remember. There's been
1952
01:23:57.760 --> 01:23:59.640
a couple of times that you don't remember, and these
1953
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:02.520
are important things to remember, and you're not able to
1954
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:06.159
remember them. I believe that you do remember them, and
1955
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:08.520
that worries me. That makes me feel like you're not
1956
01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:11.560
telling us it because you are trying to that. You
1957
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.880
are Susan the person that is planning. I'm just trying
1958
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.439
to figure out who's sitting in front of me. Here
1959
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.720
is it over here? I've been planning this. I've been
1960
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:23.600
I picked up the gun and I was waiting for
1961
01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.079
her to come over because it was very quick. It
1962
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.319
was two minutes or it was. I had the gun
1963
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.079
in my hand and I made a mistake. But now
1964
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:34.119
I've dug my heels in and I've made these statements
1965
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:36.640
so far, an detective stiff about a mistake I made,
1966
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:38.439
and I feel like I can't go back. I don't
1967
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:39.920
want to feel like you're at a point that you
1968
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.439
can't go back. We are all human, and I'm going
1969
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.319
to tell you this. Ninety nine percent of the people
1970
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:48.319
that sit in front of me in this room they
1971
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.760
do not tell me the truth like the entire time.
1972
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:54.840
But then we get to a point where I show
1973
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.760
them that everything they're saying actually doesn't make any sense.
1974
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.560
And I always tell them, I say, look, we want
1975
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:03.159
to go the path of least resistance. We don't want
1976
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:06.399
to go down the path of embarrassment or humiliation or
1977
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:08.159
I made a mistake. They don't want to do that.
1978
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.399
But I show them everything and they say, you know what,
1979
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:12.279
And I don't hold it against them. I don't take
1980
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.359
anything personally. If you had said something before that was
1981
01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:18.399
not true and you felt like you had to go
1982
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:20.720
down that path to protect yourself or whatever it is,
1983
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:23.640
but it's not true. This is your opportunity to tell us,
1984
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:25.520
and I'm not gonna hold it against I'm not gonna
1985
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.039
say Susan is a jerk or a liar or anything
1986
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:30.880
like that. I'm gonna say what Susan's saying now makes
1987
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.119
a little bit more sense for me and Detective Stiff,
1988
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.319
And this is that opportunity. If something is different than
1989
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:40.119
what you originally told us, I might be able to
1990
01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:42.399
make sense out of it because I know your history now.
1991
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.640
I know that you were a victim of some kind
1992
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.760
of sexual trauma. I know that there was things that
1993
01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:48.960
happened to you when you were in school. I know
1994
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:52.279
that you have gone through hard experiences and maybe that
1995
01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.800
influenced why you said the things you said before. But
1996
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:58.720
I can tell you right now, what we've learned, what
1997
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:01.920
we've discussed all leading up to this, it doesn't make
1998
01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:05.960
any sense. So this is your opportunity to actually tell
1999
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:08.079
us that something that does make sense. I'm not gonna
2000
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:10.720
hold it against you. I'm not gonna get mad. But
2001
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:16.479
whenever AJ was coming over that evening, what what happened?
2002
01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.920
Whenever what happened? Bring me to that moment when you
2003
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.239
had the gun in your hand, what were you thinking?
2004
01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:23.840
I wanted her was to go away.
2005
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:25.800
I just you know, I felt she was going to
2006
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.079
come through that door and kill me. I'm sorry, that's
2007
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.279
what I felt. I just felt she was going to
2008
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.159
come through the door and kill me because it was
2009
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.720
a tremendous feary did you hear that for what happened?
2010
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:37.600
Christ Jess?
2011
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.880
Do you because the first time that we talked, there
2012
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:44.199
was a point where I informed you that that AJ
2013
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.359
had passed away, and I wasn't sure if you had
2014
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:48.600
you been aware of that or not.
2015
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:53.840
I know they transported her and an ambulance in there. Yeah.
2016
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.319
So when I informed you that you showed emotion, you
2017
01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.319
showed what appeared to me to be at least uh
2018
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:02.479
somewhat of remorse for what had happened.
2019
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.239
So do you feel bad for what had happened? Absolutely?
2020
01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:08.439
Do you feel bad for the children? So?
2021
01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.720
And I think you know, Detective Pender Is, We're we're
2022
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:16.680
trying to give you the opportunity to to try to
2023
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.079
explain some of these discrepancies in the story, that the
2024
01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.479
things that don't really add up or make sense, and
2025
01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:29.960
you maintaining that you were in fear for your life. Yes,
2026
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:32.079
it it just doesn't make sense. And I I feel
2027
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:37.279
like at this point today you really haven't And I'm
2028
01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:41.560
not judging you. You know, everybody uh processes things differently,
2029
01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:46.279
so I understand that, but you haven't really seemed remorseful
2030
01:27:46.319 --> 01:27:47.680
for today, at least for.
2031
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:48.439
What had happened.
2032
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.399
Oh God, it just it's it just makes me sick.
2033
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:54.640
I don't know what.
2034
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.800
I can't take it back. It's transferred to the past.
2035
01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:00.520
I don't know what the hell to do. It's just
2036
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:06.039
probably be shutting down again. Okay, do you think that's
2037
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:07.239
a trauma response or something.
2038
01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:08.720
I know you said you had gone through a lot
2039
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:12.000
of uh probable flat affects and things like that and
2040
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:13.319
in the pastor.
2041
01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:17.279
I mean, it's just it's a horrible situation and intercomes
2042
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:19.840
like this horrible because you know, it goes against my face.
2043
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:21.760
I broke the commandment and you know, I just did
2044
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:27.000
all the I feel horrible for what I did. Okay,
2045
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:33.680
So looking back on it now, and d do you.
2046
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.119
Think that that she was actually gonna get through that door?
2047
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.319
I mean, because she was coming.
2048
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.399
Through I thought she was gonna come through that door.
2049
01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:46.880
I'm sorry, that's just what I felt.
2050
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:52.840
So, I mean, at this point, like we've talked to you,
2051
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:54.479
we talked to a lot of people and gone through
2052
01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:55.000
the evidence.
2053
01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:59.359
We've discussed all of this, uh in the state Attorney's
2054
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:03.640
office as well. You know, after talking to you for
2055
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:07.119
several hours on on Saturday morning and then today.
2056
01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:12.600
I feel that there was a level of fear.
2057
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:15.880
But from from everything I've seen, it doesn't rise to
2058
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.359
the level for you to justify shooting through a closed
2059
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:21.720
door an and and with a firearm.
2060
01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:25.079
Okay, and I think you know that that wasn't reasonable.
2061
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.640
Watch I felt so terrified.
2062
01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:29.640
I I just felt so terrified.
2063
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.359
You know, here she comes again, you know, against she screaming,
2064
01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:34.279
she's yelling, she's acting unreasonable.
2065
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:36.800
And did you said, let me ask you this. You
2066
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:38.399
said that you went on Facebook today.
2067
01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:43.279
I can only imagine that at some point you may
2068
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.640
have seen some of the news dealing with this case
2069
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:46.399
and this story.
2070
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:48.880
Yes, mkay, what kind of stuff did you see?
2071
01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:52.560
I through tiblood at the child, I I said all
2072
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:54.000
kinds of things that I never said.
2073
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.880
You know what I saw. I saw four kids that
2074
01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:58.880
no longer have a mother.
2075
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:07.800
And I'm not taking away how you were treated, but
2076
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:12.039
those are children, nonetheless, right, and now they don't have
2077
01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:13.039
a mother to go home to.
2078
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:18.600
And I think you know what you did was wrong.
2079
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:24.840
I think you know that there were already deputies on
2080
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:25.399
the way.
2081
01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.680
But it was was times I called and deputies never
2082
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:30.119
showed up.
2083
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.279
I understand, it's been two minutes, so.
2084
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.159
You to me, it wasn't two minutes.
2085
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:35.479
To me, it was much slobery.
2086
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:36.560
In my mind, it just.
2087
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:40.840
Felt like there's only there's only one reality where time
2088
01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:43.359
time excess. And I understand perception of time can be
2089
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:46.920
different for different people, but in the reality of things
2090
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:51.560
you had just disconnected. Within two minutes, a shot was
2091
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:55.279
fired through that door. There was that much that transpired
2092
01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.000
within that two minutes where statements were made.
2093
01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:00.039
I wanted, I want to know why you're.
2094
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.680
Throwing stuff at my kids or whatever it was she
2095
01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:08.399
was saying, and then shot fired, and and she's down,
2096
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:11.000
and then another none one one call comes in. That
2097
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:15.319
that's there's no way to justify that in my mind.
2098
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:18.560
I don't think in Detective Peter's mind and clearly in
2099
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:21.079
other people's minds that we've discussed this case with the
2100
01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.359
state attorney, our legal counsel and things like that. So
2101
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:29.680
I mean, at this point we discussed it with the
2102
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:33.319
state and they and they are on on the same
2103
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:34.960
terms as far as charging.
2104
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:36.399
You with with ah manslaughter.
2105
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:40.159
Okay, okay, I I don't know what to say. I
2106
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:42.720
just I wasn't fear for my life thought, I mean,
2107
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:44.680
honest to god, I just feared that she was gonna
2108
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:45.399
come through that story.
2109
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:46.520
I'm sorry, that's how I.
2110
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:51.039
Felt, and you can't change the way I felt. I mean,
2111
01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:52.640
it was sher terror on my part, and I mean,
2112
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.600
honest to God, I was like I was shaking.
2113
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:59.439
So one of the things I wanna ask, because y
2114
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.760
A at at the point where I did let you
2115
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:03.640
know and I formed you you know what what it
2116
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:05.720
ultimately happened to aj after that shooting.
2117
01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.159
You know that she had passed away, and obviously she
2118
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:10.159
has four kids, and.
2119
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:16.079
You know, I I I was observing the interviews that
2120
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.239
were conducted with them and the emotions that they were
2121
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.880
going through, and you shared some of those insane emotions
2122
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.239
at points through the conversations that we had, and I
2123
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.880
just want to like, obviously I I can't let you
2124
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.600
talk to them or give a message to them and
2125
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.000
and like face to face, but I would like if
2126
01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:37.159
it's up to you, if if you would like to
2127
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:39.479
write them a letter or something to kind of.
2128
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.039
You know, whatever's on your mind or in your heart.
2129
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:44.680
You don't have to.
2130
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:46.479
We're just gonna leave a notepad and a pen in
2131
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.239
the room. Obviously we have some paperwork to do, so
2132
01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:51.479
we're gonna have to step out for to do that,
2133
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:56.920
and obviously talk to our our boss and and well
2134
01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:59.199
just I offered to offer it to everybody that we
2135
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:00.319
can't let them.
2136
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:02.800
Talk to so it's just something we do what you say,
2137
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.039
So if you like to do that, we're.
2138
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:08.920
Gonna seet that people were going, like you said, but
2139
01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:10.159
that's where the state's.
2140
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:11.720
At right now. That's where we're at, and I'll talk
2141
01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:13.119
to you a little bit more about that in just
2142
01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:15.319
a minute. Okay, but if if you like to write
2143
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:26.760
on something, that's right there. Okay, alright, season alright, we're
2144
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:32.239
gonna have you go with this depit here. Nope, I'm sorry, no, no,
2145
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:34.600
what I can't what's wrong? What's going on?
2146
01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:37.119
I'm sorry, I can't do me.
2147
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.399
I mean, we're I M Unfortunately, we're to that point
2148
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:51.039
where that's what's gonna happen. Obviously, this isn't a conviction.
2149
01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:54.239
This is you being charged and then you're gonna have
2150
01:33:54.319 --> 01:34:00.920
your band court to present your side of the story. Okay,
2151
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.000
so you're gonna go with this deputy. No, no, you're
2152
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:07.760
gonna be booked in no, no, and fingerprinted. They're gonna
2153
01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.600
take your pictures and then you will have uh an
2154
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:11.640
arrangement in the morning.
2155
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:14.479
I'm not gonna go.
2156
01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:17.720
Sorry, there's a phone down there. You'll be able to
2157
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.119
call whoever you need to call, and right there booking.
2158
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:21.199
I'm not going, but.
2159
01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:26.840
Susan, you we are, we are going. There's no change
2160
01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:30.840
in that now you're you're under arrest. In fact, we
2161
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:32.680
probably go ahead and put handcuffs on it. Let's get
2162
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:37.520
get your cuffed. No, stand up, Susan, Stand up, Susan done.
2163
01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:38.359
No listen.
2164
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.319
You can go one of two ways, and go an
2165
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:41.760
easy way, or can go a really hard way.
2166
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:42.880
I'm sorry.
2167
01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.159
We don't want to go the hard way. I'm so sorry, Susan.
2168
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.520
Put yourself in our position. We there's no choice in this.
2169
01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:50.319
You're going You're going over there. It's sorry, I can't
2170
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:52.520
do this, Susan.
2171
01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.439
You understand that from from the point of the story
2172
01:34:55.680 --> 01:35:01.119
that that you've given us that by refusing and resisting
2173
01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:03.920
that it's it's making making you look bad.
2174
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:06.279
Okay, So I understand your reluctance. Don't want to go.
2175
01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:07.359
I just can't.
2176
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:09.800
Okay. Well, they have medical staff over there.
2177
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:11.560
A nurse right in the front.
2178
01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:14.800
They can you give them the prescription medications that you're taking,
2179
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:17.159
all of that. They will assist you and making sure
2180
01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:17.760
that you get.
2181
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:20.560
The care you need. We're going over there. Okay, you
2182
01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.279
go over there, and I just can't do this, okay. Well, well, Susan,
2183
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:24.760
stand up.
2184
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.920
I can't do this, Okay, but you understand that you're
2185
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:30.880
under arrest and you're going to be taken to the
2186
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:31.920
jail one way or another.
2187
01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:35.119
Okay, I don't care, Susan. I just can't do this.
2188
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:35.640
I'm sorry.
2189
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.319
I don't What you're saying and doing right now is
2190
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:42.319
not is not reasonable. I know it's there's been people
2191
01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:46.399
when you say it's you know it's not reasonable. That
2192
01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:47.760
doesn't make sense to me.
2193
01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:48.720
I understand.
2194
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:49.600
I just can't do this.
2195
01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:50.119
I'm sorry.
2196
01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:50.560
Then.
2197
01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.800
This is why we're in this position here, Susan, is
2198
01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:57.000
because the decisions you make are not reasonable. You make
2199
01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:58.640
just like what we're experiencing right now.
2200
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:01.039
I'm sorry. I just can't do I can't do this.
2201
01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:03.680
I've had people sit in this chair that have done
2202
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.159
things and they get up, they walk out on their
2203
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:09.119
own accord. They have done some really bad things. Okay,
2204
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.760
you're not the only person, but I need you to Okay, Well,
2205
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.680
we're gonna go to the jail. There's no changing this,
2206
01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:17.680
there's no stopping it.
2207
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:19.319
I don't care kill me.
2208
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:23.159
We're not gonna kill anybody. We're gonna we're going to
2209
01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:26.279
take you to the jail. We'd rather you walk on
2210
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.119
your own, would rather you just walk down there it'd
2211
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:30.319
be so much better for everybody. We could just walk
2212
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:30.640
down there.
2213
01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:33.199
You just stand up for me. So what are you
2214
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:34.520
plan on sitting here in the rest of the night.
2215
01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:36.760
I don't know what. I'm gonna probably have to die
2216
01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:37.479
of a heart attack.
2217
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:40.600
Well, like I said, they have medical staff over there.
2218
01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:41.840
We want to be able to get you over there.
2219
01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:44.399
Quicker we get you over there, the quicker, someone over
2220
01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:45.920
there that's in medical can see you.
2221
01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:48.319
Interesting, Susan, this is what's gonna happen.
2222
01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:50.479
We're gonna put you in handcuffs and if we have
2223
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:53.479
to forcefully bring you out there, that's what we have
2224
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.039
to do because we're obligated.
2225
01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:56.720
Really don't want to take you to the jail now.
2226
01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:58.079
Okay, thank you for standing up.
2227
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:09.560
I understand that. So try it on your back for me. Yeah,
2228
01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:10.359
thank you, Susan.
2229
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:11.760
I didn't do this on purpose.
2230
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:13.119
This wasn't a purposeful act.
2231
01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:16.119
I did not premeditate it. I didn't do anything like that.
2232
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:17.359
This was ridiculous.
2233
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:29.600
Yeah, we're you gonna go out this way. Now you've listened.
2234
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:30.880
Now go to your thing.