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00:00:05.108Two big stories dropped this week and they both happened at the same time.
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00:00:11.009Monday late afternoon 3.44 pm, eastern Daylight Time.
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00:00:11.771Just in.
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00:00:15.762Jimmy Kimmel to be reinstated after suspension following Charlie Kirk's comments.
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00:00:18.045Abc says 3.49,.
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00:00:22.370Abc ends Jimmy Kimmel's suspension and his show will return Tuesday.
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00:00:26.935Trump's autism announcement is underway.
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00:00:29.2634.56, just in.
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00:00:36.905Trump suggests Tylenol during pregnancy can contribute to higher autism risk A link experts say is unproven.
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00:00:41.9145.01, trump announces FDA recommendations on Tylenol use.
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00:00:47.142Maternal Fetal Medicine Group says it's safe to use Tylenol in pregnancy.
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00:00:54.353Oh, my goodness, that is whiplash of news stories.
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00:00:57.165Hey there, welcome to the PR Breakdown Podcast.
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00:01:02.381I'm your host, molly McPherson, and I'm a little unprepared for this podcast.
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00:01:03.966I already had something in the can.
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00:01:08.256Then the announcement comes from the Walt Disney Company that Jimmy Kimmel is coming back.
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00:01:13.608I hopped on social media right away, knowing full well I had to record this podcast.
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00:01:21.974And just as I'm recording, I get another notification from the New York Times about what was happening at the White House.
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00:01:27.361What was happening at the White House?
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00:01:30.628That Donald Trump was making an announcement, with RFK Jr and Dr Oz on either side.
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00:01:31.790Is that by design?
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00:01:34.941Well, we don't know, but let's look at the evidence.
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00:01:39.272Story one the Walt Disney Company and Jimmy Kimmel.
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00:01:43.251So let's start with the Disney statement on bringing Kimmel back.
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00:01:46.822As you know, quick rewind Last Monday, jimmy Kimmel Live.
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00:01:50.230Kimmel reacted to the assassination of a conservative activist, charlie Kirk.
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00:02:02.546He had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
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00:02:05.533You can see how hard the president is taking this.
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00:02:08.306My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk.
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00:02:12.448May I ask sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir?
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00:02:13.449I think very good.
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00:02:15.804And by the way, right there you see all the trucks.
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00:02:19.001They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the.
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00:02:28.622Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief construction he's at the fourth stage of grief construction.
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00:02:34.213That clip set everything off because by Wednesday, fcc chair Brendan Carr was publicly threatening ABC's affiliate licenses, nextar and Sinclair.
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00:02:44.164Two massive station groups said they'd preempt the show and Disney, abc's parent company, decided to suspend Kimmel indefinitely.
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00:02:50.788No surprise, it lit off a firestorm which was leading into the weekend.
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00:03:10.867Rhetoric, strong rhetoric against the progressives, the left, liberals, democrats.
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00:03:15.010This was a lot of posturing from a political point of view.
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00:03:26.409But now we have, on Monday afternoon, disney puts out a statement where it is a complete backtrack on what they did with Jimmy Kimmel.
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00:03:32.251Now, before I read the statement, I want to mention that last Friday I did a live on Substack.
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00:03:40.316I tend to go on once a week minimum, usually on Fridays sometime in the morning between 9 am and noon, breaking down the big story of the week.
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00:03:41.046It's a live chat.
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00:03:43.557I want to get other people's opinion on it as well.
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00:03:46.848We broke down what was happening with the whole Jimmy Kimmel situation.
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00:03:55.250Fcc chair Brendan Carr appeared on another right wing conservative who actually had more subscribers Benny Johnson than Charlie Kirk.
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00:04:11.389You could look at his appearance on there and he was, I mean, essentially pressuring these station groups where they own a bunch of affiliates Now the next stars and the Sinclaircasting Companies of the world was trying to acquire Tango, which is another media group.
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00:04:13.091So we have business there.
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00:04:16.252We have money, which I always say about crisis, it always comes down to money.
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00:04:41.259What he had to say with the pressure to these groups, brendan Carr replied back with a gif from the office of Steve Carell and Rainn Wilson's character, kind of like putting their hands up in the air.
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00:04:45.096I mean, what a bizarre thing for an FCC chair to write back.
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00:04:51.706But the outcry was strong to write back.
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00:04:58.892But the outcry was strong and in this live we talked about there's going to be now boycotts against Disney, against Hulu, which was really hard because there's only murders in the building is on, and I love it this season, it's so good.
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00:05:03.172But I started reading some of the statements and one of the statements that I read I thought was so good.
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00:05:04.716Let me pull a part of it.
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00:05:10.733It's from the Writers Guild of America West and the Writers Guild of America East, one of the things that I mentioned.
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00:05:22.827I didn't really see it anywhere in commentary or in the news so I could be off base on it, but it feeds into this kind of boycott-itis.
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00:05:23.209That's out there.
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00:05:26.353What happens when you trigger unions, when you trigger other groups?
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00:05:32.540They mobilize and they mobilize together and that pressure builds up and people do things.
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00:05:34.509And what do people do now?
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00:05:42.211When they boycott and they want to make a stand, they tend to punch where it hurts and that's usually finances.
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00:05:45.795So I think finances had something to do with Disney's decision.
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00:05:49.975But this is part of the statement by both of these writer guilds.
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00:05:59.778Quote as a guild, we stand united in opposition to anyone who uses their power and influence to silence the voices of writers or anyone who speaks in dissent.
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00:06:06.572If free speech applied only to ideas we like, we needn't have bothered to write it into the Constitution.
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00:06:14.872What we have signed on to, painful as it may seem, painful as it may be at times, is the freeing agreement to disagree.
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00:06:18.158Wow, I stated on that live.
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00:06:20.209That's an excellent statement.
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00:06:25.610It was so good and it's not surprising because it's from the Writers Guild, it's from writers.
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00:06:33.596But day by day, the buildup started happening on social media and I think the Walt Disney Company started to feel the pressure.
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00:06:38.899Big names out there started to speak out against it as well.
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00:06:42.997So now that leads us to the Walt Disney.
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00:06:46.312When the notification appeared on my computer that ABC made this statement.
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00:06:48.098I immediately looked for the statement.
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00:06:55.149I wanted to read it right away and then hop on social media, because that first reading is where I get the gist of the statement.
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00:06:57.074You can get the intent behind the statement.
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00:07:00.971So I didn't want to read it or analyze it before I went on social media.
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00:07:04.165So my social media response was really like a real response.
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00:07:14.040I'm going to quickly read the statement and then let's look at some of the words that they used to see if that can help us discern what's really going on behind the scenes.
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00:07:20.797So this statement was released by the Walt Disney Company late on Monday, september 22nd.
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00:07:30.646In the afternoon Last Wednesday we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country.
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00:07:36.108It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive.
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00:07:45.517We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy and after those conversations we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday.
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00:08:06.872Now Disney did not say whether all ABC affiliates were going to bring back the show, because some of them balked about carrying Jimmy Kimmel live last week Sinclair that is, the broadcast group came out and said that they were going to air the Charlie Kirk memorial special on Friday and they flip-flopped and aired Celebrity Family Feud instead.
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00:08:12.461So, in the theme of flip-flopping, let's break down this statement.
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00:08:22.435So let's start with what they wrote at the beginning Quote to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country that's deflection.
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00:08:27.552The problem wasn't Jimmy's words, they're saying, it was the national mood.
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00:08:30.538The responsibility was spread outward.
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00:08:32.369So don't look inward to us.
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00:08:33.914We didn't do anything wrong.
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00:08:35.380We didn't make a decision.
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00:08:42.518We were just reacting to what was happening in the country, to the mood, and the mood, my dear listener, was created by you.
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00:08:44.206It's their way of saying.
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00:08:45.509It's your fault.
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00:08:47.471You are part of the problem.
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00:08:52.980Another part of the statement we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive.
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00:09:01.293Notice the hedging Not wrong, not misleading, not blasphemous, just ill-timed.
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00:09:07.827Wow, that's minimizing, shrinking the offense down to optics.
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00:09:14.326Ill-timed makes it sound like it was a calendar mistake or when we ran it on the show.
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00:09:16.889And what is the right time?
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00:09:22.139Like would Jimmy Kimmel be okay if he did it on Tuesday night or Wednesday night?
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00:09:24.409And then to call it only insensitive?
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00:09:25.412Their choice.
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00:09:29.669Abc, disney's choice to pull Kimmel created a firestorm.
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00:09:38.047A firestorm is created over something that was just quote insensitive from late night television Wow, wow.
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00:09:50.254Then, once they suspended him and they bring him back in under a week and this took place due to quote thoughtful conversations Can you imagine what those thoughtful conversations were like?
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00:09:52.895I can imagine that, jimmy Kimmel.
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00:10:04.621I saw Howard Stern make a comment on the air saying that he did not speak to Jimmy Kimmel about any of this, but he gave his opinion where he said I immediately canceled Disney Plus in support of Jimmy Kimmel.
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00:10:06.846He and Jimmy Kimmel are really, really tight.
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00:10:09.577So Howard Stern is going to defend Jimmy Kimmel.
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00:10:18.729But also, howard Stern was speaking from a place where he had pressure over the years, not so much recently, but back in his heyday, back in the 90s.
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00:10:20.674He was at war with the FCC.
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00:10:27.509So he's the perfect foil for the government to come out and speak out again.
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00:10:33.139But this statement is really a wishy-washy, deflection, flip-flop statement.
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00:10:37.376Either the suspension was an overreaction or the reinstatement was a retreat.
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00:10:38.951Both can't be true.
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00:10:42.072And Disney used we again and again.
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00:10:43.466We made the decision.
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00:10:46.110We felt we reached a decision.
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00:10:48.075That's corporate fog.
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00:10:51.186It hides who actually made the decision.
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00:10:56.258There's no name attached to this statement from the Walt Disney Company.
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00:11:01.768The only name mentioned is Kimmel, and not even Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Kimmel Live.
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00:11:02.969They just say Jimmy.
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00:11:05.210So this Kimmel statement wasn't about clarity.
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00:11:15.657It was about optics, buying time and protecting the brand under political fire and also under financial pressure.
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00:11:17.398Trump and Tylenol.
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00:11:20.539Donald Trump speaking in the Roosevelt Room of the White House.
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00:11:32.599He was flanked by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator, dr Mehmet Oz, to make this announcement.
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00:11:56.937First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians that the use of acetaminophen, which is basically commonly known as Tylenol, during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism.
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00:11:59.671So taking Tylenol is not good.
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00:12:01.556I'll say it it's not good.
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00:12:02.037Did you notice how?
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00:12:02.518he struggled there.
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00:12:03.299That's why I think he defaulted.
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00:12:04.121Taking Tylenol is not good.
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00:12:05.164All right, I'll say it, it's not good.
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00:12:06.866Did you notice how he struggled there?
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00:12:07.808That's why I think he defaulted to Tylenol.
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00:12:15.394It's a lot easier for him to say but that's alarmist framing Strong words, very increased risk, not good with no scientific consensus backing it up.
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00:12:16.736He even admitted.
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00:12:19.970You know, I'm just making these statements for me, I'm not making them from these doctors.
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00:12:22.774That's not careful public health messaging.
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00:12:26.419That's a politician freelancing with people's medical choices.
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00:12:32.802And then he pivoted into vaccines, of course because RFK Jr standing there calling for smaller doses over the years.
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00:12:35.043Again, no evidence cited.
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00:12:36.350It's a rhetorical move.
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00:12:44.251Stoke fear connected to a broader narrative and let the soundbite live online where it goes in direct contrast.
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00:12:49.528And it's fighting for airtime and headline space with the Jimmy Kimmel announcement.
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00:13:02.759He wants it to cover the Kimmel announcement, the effect Panic among expecting mothers, confusion in the medical community and dangerous undermining of trust in safe medications.
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00:13:07.761And personally I don't like this fear-mongering around a diagnosis of autism.
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00:13:10.208There are plenty of people living with autism.
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00:13:11.953There are plenty of people on the spectrum.
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00:13:15.331There are plenty of places on the spectrum where autism lies.
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00:13:21.591We're labeling it as a problem and we're labeling people with autism, kids with autism.
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00:13:24.490Why are we painting them as such problems?
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00:13:26.215I mean, yes, it's understandable.
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00:13:28.246It's something that we want to understand more.
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00:13:31.173We want to get closer to how we can work with it.
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00:13:33.886So babies aren't born with this challenge.
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00:13:36.773So we understand what's behind autism.
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00:13:41.673But it's so dangerous when we make it seem like it's just this awful, awful thing.
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00:13:43.249I have a nephew who has autism.
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00:13:55.289But if I were a parent right now with a child with autism, I would be picking up the phone and calling them and talking to them and telling them that you're perfect, you're perfect, there is nothing wrong with you.
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00:14:01.535There is no reason why we needed a statement from the Roosevelt Room about something that you deal with in your life.
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00:14:04.815I don't like it, but that's my take, that's my Molly take.
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00:14:07.815But then here's the third response Tylenol.
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00:14:10.913The parent company Kenview, responded quickly.
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00:14:17.217Quote independent sound science clearly shows that taking acetaminophen does not cause autism.
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00:14:20.416We strongly disagree with any suggestion otherwise.
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00:14:26.573Woof, that's the corporate counterpunch Straightforward denial grounded in scientific consensus.
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00:14:28.138They went further.
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00:14:31.736Acetamiophen is the safest pain reliever for pregnant women.
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00:14:38.052Without it, women face dangerous choices, suffer through fever or use riskier alternatives.
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00:14:42.200Bam, this is what Disney's statement lacked directness.
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00:14:47.692Tylenol acknowledged the stakes, emphasized evidence and outlined the risks of ignoring science.
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00:14:55.073It's not perfect PR After all, they are protecting their product, of course but it's anchored in data and clarity.
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00:14:56.770Now, they knew this was coming.
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00:15:04.195There was an announcement this morning that President Trump would be making a statement, so I think he was just waiting for it to be timed.
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00:15:07.288But this was a statement that came with a punch.
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00:15:09.874Now, if we line them up and compare them.
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00:15:16.130The Disney statement it's very vague, defensive, hiding between we Trump.
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00:15:25.107Trump statement alarmistist, unsourced, emotional, designed for headlines, not accuracy, designed for distraction.
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00:15:31.427And Tylenol Firm, evidence-based, corrective, anchored in research and patient safety.
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00:15:33.813What do they have in common?
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00:15:38.585All three are less about truth than about control.
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00:15:41.173Some of the statements have truth in there.
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00:15:49.217Tylenol was backing it with data, but they needed to control the messaging because their stock plunged.
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00:15:55.136So, yes, kimmel is back and, yes, tylenol is fighting to defend itself against presidential claims.
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00:15:56.769But here's the real through line.
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00:15:58.375We're watching a test in credibility.
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00:15:58.777Who do you believe?
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00:15:59.259Do you believe networks?
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00:16:00.484Do you believe you believe?
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00:16:01.485Do you believe networks?
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00:16:02.548Do you believe the president?
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00:16:03.832Do you believe scientists?
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00:16:08.890Because in all the story, the stakes are the same Trust.
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00:16:11.235That's all for this week on the podcast.
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00:16:12.948Thanks so much for listening.
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00:16:14.235Does your head hurt?
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00:16:15.120Mine does.
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00:16:16.288Bye, for now.