Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Trial (Part 31) (10/25/26)

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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Day
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number 31 of the Chad Daybell trial saw the jury
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get their instructions from the court, and now all that's
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left to do is wait on a verdict. So let's
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dive into day number 31, and let's recap what went down.
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This article was published by eastidahonews.com, and the author of
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this article is Nate Eaton. 9.49 a.m., in line outside
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the courtroom, Inside the Ada County Courthouse, people without tickets
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started lining up at 5 a.m. to try to get
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into closing arguments. Proceedings begin at 10 a.m. Larry and
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Kay Woodcock just walked by and entered the courtroom. Law
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enforcement officers from multiple agencies just walked into the courtroom. 9.52 a.m.
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Spectators are now seated in the gallery. Idaho Attorney General
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Raul Labrador is in the courtroom. Many of the officers
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and deputies who testified are here. Chad Daybell is sitting
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next to John Pryor at the defense table. Prosecutors are
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at their table. Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood did
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opening statements. My guest is Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay
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Blake does closing arguments. 9.53 a.m. I'm sitting next to
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three jurors from the Lori Vallow trial, Tom Evans, Laura,
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who I interviewed a few weeks ago, and another lady
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who served on the jury. They have regularly attended Chad
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Daybell's trial since it started on April 10th. Jury selection
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for this trial began April 1st, over eight weeks ago.
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And I'll tell you what, just like with the Lori
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Vallow trial, not exactly my idea of fun. So I'll
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be very happy when this is over and done with,
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and we don't have to talk about Chad Daybell or
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Lori Vallow again for quite some time. 9.58 a.m. Over
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the past two months, prosecutors called 67 Witnesses six of
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whom were recalled to testify again. Defense called 11 witnesses.
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Six rebuttal witnesses were called. 10 a.m. Judge Boyce will
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read the jury 41 instructions before closing arguments. Last year,
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that took around an hour. Prosecution took an hour and
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15 minutes last year for closing. Defense took about an hour.
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And then prosecution did a final closing that was around
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20 minutes. 10.02 a.m. Boyce is on the bench. Jurors
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are being brought in. 10.05 a.m. Jurors are in their seats.
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Boyce says he will read the jury the instructions, and
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then parties will make closing arguments. Each of the jurors
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will have a copy of the instructions. They can follow
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along and make notes if they wish while Boyce reads,
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but there will be one set of original instructions that
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cannot be written on. 10.06 a.m. Instructions 1 through 12
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were previously read to jurors. Boyce won't read them all,
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but will read a few today. There are 41 total instructions.
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Boyce reads instruction number 3. It talks about the crime
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of conspiracy and jurors should only consider the evidence against
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Chad Daybell, not the co-conspirators. 10.07 a.m. Boyce reads instruction
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number five. The state must prove the crimes beyond a
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reasonable doubt. Boyce reads instruction number six. Defendant has a
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constitutional right not to be compelled to testify. 10.09 a.m.
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Boyce reads instruction number 13. Jurors must follow all the
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rules and cannot ignore one or another. Voice reads instruction
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number 14. Jury is to decide facts from all the
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evidence presented in the case, including sworn testimony, exhibits and
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facts the party stipulated. Arguments and statements by lawyers are
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not evidence. 10.11 a.m. Instruction number 15. Defendant may be
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found guilty or not guilty of any of the charges.
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Instruction number 16. Evidence should not be used to prove
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defendant character. but should be considered for the limited purpose
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of proving defendant committed the crime. 10.12 a.m. Instruction number 17.
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Some exhibits were admitted in the trial as demonstrative exhibits.
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Jurors can review them on request. 10.13 a.m. Instruction number 18.
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This instruction deals with accomplices in a crime. Instruction number 19.
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This talks about willfully or not willfully committing a crime.
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Instruction number 20. Crime of conspiracy. involves an agreement involving
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two or more persons. 10.15 a.m. Instruction number 21. All
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parties of conspiracy need not enter into an agreement at
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the same time. Instruction number 22. Murder is killing of
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human beings with malice or forethought. Instruction number 23. Malice
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may be expressed or implied. 10.16 a.m. Instruction number 24.
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To obtain property means to bring about a transfer of
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a possession of the property. Instruction number twenty-five, an owner
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of property is any person who has a right to
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possession of the property superior to that defendant. Instruction number twenty-six,
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definition of what a person is. Twenty-seven, property is anything
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of value, including labor or services. Instruction number twenty-eight, defines
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when a person steals property or commits theft. Ten eighteen a.m.,
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instruction number twenty-nine, what is needed to prove the crimes
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involving Tylee Ryan. 10.22 a.m. Instruction number 30. Description of
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aiding and abetting participation in the crime must be proved
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beyond a reasonable doubt. 10.23 a.m. Instruction number 31. What
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the state must prove in order for the defendant to
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be found guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. 10.25 a.m.
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Instruction number 32. Count four of the amended indictment contains
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a clerical error concerning the date of J.J. Vallow's death. 10.27 a.m.
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Instruction number 33. What state must prove in order for
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a defendant to be found guilty of first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow? 10.28 a.m.
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Instruction number 34. What the state must prove in order
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for a defendant to be found guilty of conspiracy to
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commit first-degree murder of Tammy Daybell? 10.32 a.m. Instruction number 35.
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What the state must prove in order for Chad Daybell
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to be found guilty of insurance fraud? 10.33 a.m. Instruction
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number 36. More about the insurance fraud charge and what
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must be proven. 10.34 a.m. Instruction number 37. In this case,
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you will return a verdict consisting of a series of questions.
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Although the questions on the verdict form are self-explanatory, I'm
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required to read them to you. Question number 1. Is
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Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to commit
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first-degree murder of Tylee Ryan and Grand Theft by deception?
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Question number 2. Is Chad Daybell guilty? Not guilty or
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guilty of first-degree murder of Tylee Ryan. Question number three.
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Is Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to
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commit first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow and grand theft by deception?
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Question number four. Is Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty
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of first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow? Question number five. Is
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Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to commit
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first-degree murder of Tammy Daybell? Question number six. Is Chad
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Daybell not Not guilty or guilty of first-degree murder of
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Tammy Daybell. Question seven. Is Chad Daybell not guilty or
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guilty of insurance fraud? Question number eight. Is Chad Daybell
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not guilty or guilty of grand theft? 10.37 a.m. Instruction
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number 38. Court is not expressing any opinions on the facts. 10.38 a.m.
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Instruction number 39. Exhibits will be in jury room except
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the pickaxe, shovel, and tools. They're being kept elsewhere for safety.
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Exhibits can be looked at and reviewed. 1039 a.m. Instruction
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number 40. One of the jurors will be presiding officer.
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That person is to make sure discussion is orderly and
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every juror has a chance to express himself or herself.
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Verdict must be unanimous. 1040 a.m. Arguments and statements of
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attorneys are not evidence. If you remember facts differently than
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what attorneys say, go with what you remember. Attitude and
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conduct at the beginning of deliberations are very important for jurors. 10.42 a.m.
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That concludes reading of jury instructions. Lindsey Blake will present
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closing arguments. Blake asked to approach. 10.44 a.m. Boyce calls
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for a quick recess while the state sets something up
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for a closing argument. We'll be right back in 15 minutes.
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11 a.m. Boyce is on the bench and jurors are
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in their seats. An easel has been set up in
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front of the jury box. 11.02 a.m. Lindsey Blake begins
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closing arguments. By playing jail phone calls between Chad and
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Lori on June 9th, 2020, the day JJ and Tylee
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were found. We see an overhead image of Chad Daybell's property.
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Chad says on the call, they are searching the property.
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Lori says, the house right now? Chad says, yeah, I'm
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at Emma's. 11.04 a.m. We now see photos of JJ, Tylee,
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and Tammy on the screen. Blake says this case was
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about money, power, and sex. Blake describes how Chad and
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Lori met at a conference. Lori was flirting. She came
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on to Chad, and Chad was receptive. 11.05 a.m. Blake
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says Lori and Chad were both married, and their spouses
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were alive and well. But Chad was Googling Lori. Blake
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says the jury heard about multiple probations, creations. It was
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a way to justify the affair to people around them,
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and maybe justify the affair to themselves. And I think
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there's a lot of truth in that. Sometimes when you
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want to fool yourself, fake yourself out, cognitive dissonance is
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certainly the way to go. 11.06 a.m. Because they were
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married in previous lives, they said it was okay. Blake says,
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Chad was the one teaching. He was the one teaching
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these ideas and these concepts. He was sharing them with Lori. 11.07 a.m.
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Blake reminds the jury that Chad and Lori went by
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different names. James. Elena, Raphael, and Lily. Or Scafusa and Stunad.
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Blake shows part of the James and Elena on the screen.
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A long-awaited make-out session took place in the lobby. He
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resisted an impulse to kiss her, but his entire body
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was on fire. Loin fire is used. Really? Loin fire?
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Can you imagine these two disgustoids copulating? This was about
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the first meeting with Lori. 11.09 a.m. What is this about?
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He wants to have sex with her? He had to
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wait an entire month to see her? Blake talks about
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two positions Chad and Lori liked. This was about sex. 11.10 a.m.
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Chad is still married as he's writing the story for Lori.
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Blake now shows a slide showing Chad's writing that James
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had served in an important position in the Lord's church.
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and Elena had been his beloved spouse and best friend.
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Chad's the one with information. He's the one with knowledge,
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and he's the one who shared it with others. 11.12 a.m.
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Blake says, through all the communication and evidence, there was
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no indication ever that Chad ever intended to divorce or
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separate from Tammy, but he wants to be married to Lori.
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They would advance together as translated beings. 11.13 a.m. Blake
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shows the drawings Zulima Pastanis made, detailing multiple probations. Zulema
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made journal entries about Chad's teachings. The jurors seemed engaged
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with Blake, and a couple are writing notes. 11.14 a.m.
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Common theme. Chad has the answers. Chad has the knowledge.
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Chad has the special ability. Blake says, In early 2019,
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Charles is deemed dark. Chad Daybell deemed Charles Vallow dark.
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He actually said he was possessed by an entity named
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Ned Schneider. Chad was Googling Ned Schneider in early 2019.
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All right, we're going to wrap up this first episode
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right here. And in the next episode, we're going to
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pick up where we left off. All of the information
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that goes with this episode can be found in the
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description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program.
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This episode, we're getting right back to it with day
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number 31 of the Chad Daybell trial. Once again, this
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article was published by EastIdahoNews.com. And the author of this
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article is Nate Eaton. 1113 a.m. Blake shows the drawings
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Zulema Pastanis made detailing multiple probations. Zulema made journal entries
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about Chad's teachings. The jurors seem engaged with Blake in
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a couple of writing notes. 11.14 a.m. Common theme. Chad
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had the answers. Chad had the knowledge. Chad has that
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special ability, Blake says. In early 2019, Charles is deemed dark.
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Chad Daybell deemed Charles Vallow dark. He actually said he
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was possessed by an entity named Ned Schneider. Chad was
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Googling Ned Schneider in early 2019. 11.15 a.m. Chad was
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sometimes at castings and prayer circles. To find out if
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a casting was successful, Laurie would call Chad. Ned was
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gone out of Charles after a casting. Chad taught that
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if a person was possessed, the body had to die.
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In order to set that person free, the body had
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to die. 11.16 a.m. Charles confronted Laurie about her affair
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with Chad. Around June 29th, 2019, Charles says he's going
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to email Tammy, and he does. Charles also emails Chad
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about the affair. On July 1st, Charles tells Lori he's
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going to meet with Tammy in person. Lori says, she
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won't talk to you, she's my friend. Lori and Chad
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were in constant communication with burner phones. 11.18am. Ten days
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after Charles threatens to go tell Tammy about the affair,
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Charles is shot and killed. Charles showed up to take
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JJ to school. Instead of taking his son to school,
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he wound up dead. Why? Charles was dark. Charles was
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a zombie. And if someone is a zombie, if someone
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is dark, the body has to die. 11.19 a.m. Zulema
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and Alex believe Chad 100%. No signs of grief or
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remorse from Lori after Charles died. Chad and Lori were
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in constant contact with each other. 11.21 a.m. Blake reminds
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the jury that Chad designated Alex as Lori's protector. Alex
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relished that role. He relished anything... having a purpose. He
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relished being part of it. Zulema asked Lori if Charles
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is a zombie, why are you back with him? Lori responded,
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I need to get my finances in order. 11.22 a.m.
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No remorse or grief after Charles died. Blake shows a
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text from Lori to Chad saying it was probably Ned
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before we got rid of him, referring to Charles changing
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the life insurance policy. Blake emphasizes the we. 11.23 a.m.
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Seven days after Charles died, Chad texted Lori saying he
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feels extreme changes are coming for me, and I welcome them.
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Blake shows more texts between Chad and Lori in July. 11.24 a.m.
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Blake references the pain tolerance text Chad sent to Lori
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about the children. Do you want me to cause pain
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yet to these two threes you're riding with? We'll at
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least give them a reason to scream. So all of
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this is just bad news for Chad Daybell, right? You're
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talking about causing these kids pain? And then they end
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up dying? And not only do they end up dying,
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they end up being buried in your backyard? Helicopters? Volcanoes?
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1126 AM Blake refers to the text Chad sent Lori
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about being Harry Potter under the stairs and feeling trapped
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but permanent freedom is coming. Blake talks about Chad and
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Lori manipulating each other. 1126 AM Chad manipulated Lori with power.
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Lori was frustrated. Her husband's gone. Chad's wife is still alive.
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Chad and Tammy have five children. They have a grandchild.
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Chad's life is undisturbed, Blake says. 11.28 a.m. Lori manipulates
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Chad with sex. From the minute he met her, he
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wanted to be with her, and she knew it. A
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month after Charles died, Lori texted Chad about a perfectly
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orchestrated plan to take the children. Chad responds, there is
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a plan being orchestrated for the children. 11.29 a.m. Blake
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plays a clip of Lori talking to Chad from jail
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on June 8, 2020. The day before the kids were found.
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Lori wants reassurance from Chad that things will work out.
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Chad responds by saying, there's a marvelous plan and things
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will work out. Lori asks Chad how he knows. Chad responds,
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it's been shown to me. I've seen beautiful eyes. I've
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seen that wonderful body dance to heavenly songs. Your purpose
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is only beginning. It's hardly begun. Now, mind you, Lori
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Vallow's behind bars at this time. And this clown sitting
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here still pumping her tires full of air. 11.31 a.m.
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Chad tells Lori some things won't be altered. Lori reaches
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out to Chad. She needs affirmations from him, Blake says. 11.32 a.m.
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Chad tells Lori on August 10th, 2019, we're so close
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to the finish line. Lori texts Alex that they are
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close to getting to the bottom of what they need
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to do to eliminate zombies. Chad gave the information. 11.34 a.m.
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Chad tells Lori he wants to be with her. This
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is the greatest hope and dream. Blake shows a timeline
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of Tylee Ryan's social security benefits deposit history. 11.35 a.m.
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Blake references the blessings Chad gave to Alex and the
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fact Alex moved to Rexburg to be with Chad. Blake
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says Alex was taught that what he did in this
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life didn't matter because he had been exalted in another life. 11.37 a.m.
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Lori's connection to Rexburg was Chad Daybell. Before she moved,
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Lori switched Tylee's Social Security money to go into an
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account only associated with Lori Vallow. This change was made
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on August 16, 2019. Lori and the kids moved to
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Idaho in early September. Before they moved to Rexburg, Chad
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told Lori that JJ and Tylee were both dark. 11.38 a.m.
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Blake reminds jurors about Chad texting Lori concerning turning the
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pain up to 10 on Tylee. Later, Lori texts Chad,
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and asked him to check Tylee because she was being
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super sweet. 11.40 a.m. Blake tells the jurors about the
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trip Lori, Alex, and the kids took to Yellowstone. That
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same day, Chad was looking up south, southwest winds. It
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was the last time Tylee was seen alive. 11.42 a.m.
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Blake shows Google location history for Alex and tells them
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the only time his device was at Lori's apartment in
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the early morning hours was on September 9th. Hours later,
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Alex went to Chad's property. 11.43 a.m. Blake reminds the
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jurors about the raccoon and limb debris burning message sent
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to Tammy on Monday, September 9th. Where was Tylee Ryan's
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body found? Chad Daybell's Pet Cemetery. Some of the remains
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in the fire pit. 11.44 a.m. Blake shows the last
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known picture of Tylee on the screen. There is little
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movement on the pic. Where was the young lady found?
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Chad Daybell's property. Next to the photo is the site
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on Chad Daybell's property where Tylee was found. 11.45 a.m.
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Blake reminds the jurors about the condition of Tylee's remains
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and her DNA being found on a pickaxe and shovel
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in Chad's garage. 11.46 a.m. Tylee was now gone, but
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JJ was still alive. Zulema visited Lori and asked Lori
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where Tylee was. Don't ask, Lori responds. Lori continued to
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receive social security payments following Tylee's death. 11.48 a.m. Blake
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shows the text message Chad sent to Lori about J.J.
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getting close, and more text messages where Chad said J.J.
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was at zero. Chad determines the death percentages. When the
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death percentage hits zero, that person has been marked for death,
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Blake says. 11.49 a.m. Blake talks about the last time J.J.
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was seen alive, the night before he died. She recalls
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David Warwick's nightmare and how Melanie Gibb tried to get
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a hold of Chad or Lori for help, but they
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did not respond. Blake shows a picture of JJ in
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his red pajamas on the screen next to his burial site.
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JJ had been buried with his arms duct taped together,
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the duct tape running around from elbow to elbow. He
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had duct tape over his mouth, A plastic bag over
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his head and taped, wrapped around, Blake says. Chad labeled
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them dark. Chad said his death percentage was at zero.
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Chad said his plan was for him and Lori to
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be together, unencumbered by earthly obstacles. 11.53 a.m. Chad labeled
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Lori's children dark. Their bodies were buried on his property,
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hidden from those looking for them. With them gone, he
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could be with Lori, and knowing if the bodies weren't discovered,
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Lori could continue to receive that money, Blake says. 11.55 a.m.
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Melanie Pawlowski turned to Chad for guidance and direction. She
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turned to him to find out if people were darker light,
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Blake says. She reminds the jury about Brandon Boudreau and
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him being shot at in Arizona. 11.56 a.m. Blake reminds
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the jury about Tammy Daybell traveling to Utah by herself
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on October 14th, 2019. She didn't like to drive alone.
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Chad was supposed to go with her, but he backed out.
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When Tammy went to Utah, Lori told Alex that she
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and Chad were finally going to be able to go
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on a real date. 11.58 a.m. Samantha Gwilliam, Tammy's sister,
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reported Tammy looked just fine when she arrived in Utah.
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Tammy put on a clogging routine and visited with her family.
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Samantha and her husband Jason had noticed changes with Chad
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before this visit. He was distant and Chad was awkward.
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12 p.m. Later, Tammy and Chad visited Samantha's house with
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a birthday gift late at night. Chad didn't get out
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of the car, which was unusual. Blake shows text messages
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from Chad to Lori about death percentages and Tammy being
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very close. 12.01 p.m. Blake shows text messages to the
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jury from Chad to Lori saying there is big news
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about Tammy and Tammy has been switched. 12.02 p.m. Blake
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reminds jurors about Alex Cox visiting Sportsman's Warehouse. and the
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movements of his device on the night Tammy was shot
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at in the driveway. Blake tells jurors multiple searches were
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done on the Homer J. Maximus account concerning AR, shooting
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through Dodge Dakota, shooting through the windshield, etc. 12.05 p.m.
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Blake talks about the casting ceremony on October 9, 2019
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at 9.15 p.m. When the group of ladies gathered with
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Lori to cast the evil spirit out of Tammy, that
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night Lori got a call and was furious. That idiot
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can't do anything right. This was the same night Tammy
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was shot at in her driveway. 12.08 p.m. Blake goes
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through the timeline of the night of the shooting and
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Fremont County Deputy Coulter Cannon's report. Cannon wrote that Joseph
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Murray heard his mother-in-law scream. Joe then called 911. Tammy
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sent an email to Mark on his mission about the incident. 12.09 p.m.
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Blake reminds the jury that earlier that day, Alex had
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purchased items at the store, including a ski mask, pants, etc.,
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The gun misfired and Alex searched online about how to
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shoot an AR in the cold. 12.10pm. Tammy was scared.
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Tammy sent a Facebook message warning people. In her email
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to Mark, Tammy said, The scared part came later when
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I realized what could have happened. I didn't want to
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go outside again the next night after dark. Tammy had
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no idea someone wanted her dead, Blake says. And why
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would she know that, right? Regular old lady librarian doing
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clogging classes? Who's looking to clip her? Well, Chad Daybell
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and Lori Vallow, that's who. 12.12 p.m. Blake shows the
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text Chad sent to Lori the day after Tammy died.
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I'm feeling sad, but it isn't for the reason everyone thinks.
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A photo on the screen showing the bedroom where Tammy
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was found dead. 12.13 p.m. Blake plays the 911 call
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to Chad crying and saying, oh, oh, she's frozen. The
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message to Lori was sent 24 hours later. 12.14pm. Blake
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reminds jurors of when Lori was in Hawaii. Alex drove
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her to Las Vegas to take her to the airport.
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Alex was supposed to go with him, but Alex didn't
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go because Chad needed help with something. Tammy was possessed
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and her death percentage was low. Alex believed Chad 100%,
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Blake says. 12.16pm. Blake walks through the timeline of events
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the night Tammy died. She shows a map of the
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Google location history of the Homer J. Maximus account. Blake
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reminds jurors that Garth Daybell told his friend at work
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a conflicting story about finding his mom dead and his
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dad was nowhere to be found. 12.18 p.m. Nothing in
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Tammy's medical records support low blood pressure, seizures, negative reactions
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with homeopathic medicines. Those were statements provided by Chad Daybell,
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Blake says. 12.20 p.m. Tammy died on Saturday in Rexburg.
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The funeral was held in Springville, Utah on Tuesday. Chad
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just wanted to get it over with. Blake says Chad
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didn't want his name on the headstone. Chad's talk was
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disturbing at the funeral. He spoke about Tammy's depression and
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how she's hard to work with. 12.21 p.m. Blake shows
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the timeline of text messages between October 18th and 19th, 2019.
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We now see an image of Tammy, and next to
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her is her casket in the ground. Blake reminds the
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jurors about the life insurance policy that was changed before
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Tammy died. 12.23 p.m. Days after Tammy's death, Chad went
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to visit with Alice and Todd Gilbert. Chad later brought
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Lori over to meet his friends. They spoke about their future.
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Chad and Lori were asked about kids. Chad responded that
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Lori had a daughter who died. Tylee had not been
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found yet. 12.25 p.m. Blake's been talking for an hour
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and 22 minutes. She shows the wedding photo of Chad
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and Lori's wedding rings. One juror appears to be fighting
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to stay awake. 12.27 p.m. Blake talks about Rexburg police
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responding to Lori's apartment in November of 2019 to do
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a welfare check on JJ. Blake shows a clip of
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Lori telling the officers that JJ was with Melanie Gibb
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in Arizona and they were going to Frozen 2. 12.28 p.m.
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The police body camera footage is being shown of Lori
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telling police that Alex is her protector and everyone is
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causing her trouble. Lori says her daughter is going to BYU, I,
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and Chad is her brother's friend. 12.30 p.m. Blake plays
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the phone call Melanie Gibb made to Chad and Lori
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where she confronted them about the whereabouts of JJ. Lori
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told Melanie she didn't want anyone to know so JJ
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can be safe. 12.32 p.m. Blake reminds the jury how
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JJ was found, discarded, in Chad's backyard. Blake plays the
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call from Jason William about the kids. Lori tells Jason
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a bunch of people are starting trouble for no reason. 12.33 p.m.
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Blake tells jurors that Chad determined death percentages, who was possessed,
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and when people were possessed, they had to die. She
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plays a clip of Jason talking to Chad and Lori. 12.36 p.m.
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Blake reminds the jurors about calls that Ian recorded. Chad
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and Lori told Ian and Melanie that some disciples were dark.
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Blake shows more text messages between Lori to Chad. 12.37 p.m.
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We see the photos of Chad and Alex standing next
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to pictures of Jesus Christ. Blake plays part of the
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patriarchal blessing Chad gave to Alex, with Chad telling Alex
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that he is his sister's protector. 12.39 p.m. Blake tells
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the jury that Chad was a self-appointed leader of the
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Church of the Firstborn. She plays the clip of the
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blessings where Chad tells Alex he could never be repaid
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for all he has done for them. Chad tells Alex
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he will begin his terrestrial phase of his existence and
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will move forward as a true warrior. 12.42 p.m. Blake
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explains how the experts reach their conclusions on determining Tammy's
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cause of death and manner of death. Chad told people
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different things regarding Tammy's death. Blake shows Chad inconsistent statements
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regarding the death on the screen. 12.45 p.m. Blake says
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once the kids and Tammy were gone, Chad and Lori
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could have power, money, and sex. Chad and Lori never
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came forward with information on the whereabouts of the kids.
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1247 p.m. Blake shows the last photo, Tylee and JJ.
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It's next to another photo showing the burial site of Tylee.
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Tylee had a whole life ahead of herself, Blake says.
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She shows a picture of JJ, and next to the
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picture is his burial site. 1249 p.m. Blake reminds the
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jurors what a conspiracy is, an agreement between two or
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more persons to commit a crime. Only one of those
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persons has to commit an overt act. 12.51 p.m. Blake
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lists several of the overt acts committed by Lori. Blake
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says Lori and Chad used religious beliefs to justify their actions.
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Blake reminds jurors about burner phones, text messages, Chad increasing
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life insurance, firearms, and more. 12.55 p.m. Blake tells the
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jury all Chad had to do was advise, encourage, plan
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the murder to be found guilty of the murder charge.
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Blake shows photos of Tylee, JJ, and Tammy on the screen.
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She says they all became dark. And we know what happened. 12.57 p.m.
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All three victims gone too soon. Blake's final words. Total time,
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one hour, 54 minutes. Boyce says we are recessing for lunch.
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Be back with the defense closings at 2 p.m. All right,
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so we're going to wrap up here. And in the
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next episode, we're going to finish off day number 31
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of the Chad Daybell trial. All the information that goes
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with this episode can be found in the description box.
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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. This
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episode we're going to finish off day number 31 of
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the Chad Daybell trial. And to do that, once again,
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we're using eastidahonews.com, and the author of this article is
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Nate Eaton. 1.56 p.m. Back in the courtroom after lunch,
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Chad Daybell just walked in. He has an ankle monitor
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on his leg. He is sitting next to John Pryor.
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Prosecutors are at their table. There is nobody in the
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gallery in support of Chad. Larry and Kay Woodcock are
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in the courtroom. 2.01 p.m. Voices on the bench. Jurors
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are being brought into the courtroom. 2.02 p.m. Jurors have
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been seated. Defense attorney John Pryor will begin his closing argument. 2.04 p.m.
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Pryor says he has 15 slides and won't be too long.
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I promise you this isn't going to take two hours,
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he says. The first slide says a criminal case is
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like a chain. Each link represents an aspect of the case. 2.05 p.m.
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Pryor reminds the jury the entire burden is on the state,
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and the state must prove every element beyond a reasonable doubt.
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He says the state must prove that there was an
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agreement between the co-conspirators. The state has to prove that
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Chad Daybell was with Lori Vallow, Alex Cox, or other co-conspirators,
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and they entered into some sort of an agreement to
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kill the children and to kill Tammy Daybell. Well, yeah,
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that's the exact argument that's been made, and that's the
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evidence that's been shown. And I don't think anyone who's
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even halfway reasonable could look at the evidence, hear the evidence,
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and not realize that Chad Daybell is guilty of conspiracy.
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Because that's exactly what the evidence has shown us. 2.07 p.m.
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Pryor talks about the crime of conspiracy. It can't be
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an agreement that we have consistent religious beliefs, Pryor says.
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The extra step in the agreement has to be we're
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going to kill these children. We're going to agree to
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kill Tammy Daybell, Pryor explains. You can hear all the
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testimony in the world about dark spirits, light and dark,
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death percentages. And then Pryor reminds the jury about text
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messages between Chad and Tammy about death percentages. 2.09 p.m.
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Pryor says there was an enormous amount of evidence here.
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He references his expert and the six terabytes of information
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he references. Pryor says you've been shown a handful of
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messages and there were thousands and thousands of other messages
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that talked about religious beliefs and other topics. 2.10pm. Pryor
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says text messages are often misconstrued. At no time did
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the prosecutor show you a text message that said, let's
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kill the kids. Let's kill Tammy. Pryor calls Chad a
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gatherer of the 144,000, and he wanted to gather people.
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The sick, the elderly, the children, the impoverished, those that
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can't handle for themselves. Oh yeah, a modern day Jesus
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fucking Christ. Is that really what you're trying to pitch us, Mr. Pryor?
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Because I'm not buying it, nobody who's listening is buying it,
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and the jury is not buying it. 2.12pm. Pryor says
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it doesn't matter if you agree with Chad. Death percentages,
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light and dark, it doesn't matter. Chad's entitled to his beliefs.
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Pryor says everybody has beliefs and they aren't all rational. Yeah, well,
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we all don't kill kids. We all don't kill our wives.
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And we all don't run away to Hawaii to be
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with our skafooza. 2.13pm Pryor says for years Chad was
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writing books about things he was passionate about. He became
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a little bit of a celebrity. Pryor says he doesn't
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want to become a celebrity. He's had enough at this point.
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Chad went to the conferences and talked about his premonitions
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and things that he could predict. 2.15pm You don't get
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to the overt acts. You don't get to all of
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the things the prosecutor has said about all the things
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these people have done. until you establish that Chad Daybell,
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by evidence and testimony, has shown there has been an
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agreement between him, Lori, him and Alex, or anyone else,
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Pryor says. Well, that's what the evidence has shown us.
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Is this guy for real right now? And then he's
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going to try and frame it like Chad's being targeted
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because of his goofy beliefs. Yeah, okay, sure. That's exactly
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what's going on here. 2.16 p.m. Pryor says Chad had
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traditional Mormon beliefs, and it's not a crime if you
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have beliefs. Sure, you can believe whatever you want, but
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if you act out on those beliefs, there's repercussions. 2.17 p.m.
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Pryor points to the prosecution and says they have not
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established an agreement. Pryor says Chad espoused religious beliefs, but
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there was no argument between Chad and the co-conspirators. Unless
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there's an agreement to commit a crime, you can talk
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all day long about your religious beliefs. 2.19 p.m. Pryor
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talks about the Googling of the South Southwest winds the
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day before Tylee was buried And says Emma Murray testified
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she Googled it, not Chad. Well, we don't believe Emma.
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How about that? I said before I think she impeached herself.
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So what do you even mean right now? Talk about
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an unreliable narrator. Pryor reminds the jury that he called
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Officer Duncan from Arizona to the stand. Duncan said the
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prosecutor in Arizona says there was no reasonable likelihood of
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conviction for Chad Daybell and Charles Vallow's homicide. Oh, well,
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isn't that nice? 221 p.m. Pryor says all Chad did
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before the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreau was Chad carrying
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a Jeep tire and that he isn't connected to the shooting. Fact,
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Chad Daybell was not invited with Charles Vallow. Fact, Chad
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Daybell was not implicated with Brandon Boudreau. Fact, Chad Daybell
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espoused religious beliefs. Where is the agreement? Where is the agreement?
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It's not there. 2.23 p.m. Pryor, we don't speculate. We
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do not engage in conjecture. We do not guess facts
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and evidence. Facts and evidence. 2.24 p.m. Pryor tells the
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jury to remember the judge's instructions, rely on their memory,
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not on what the lawyers say. If they say something
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different than what you remember, you rely on your notes.
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You rely on your memory, Pryor says, pointing to the prosecutors. 2.25 p.m.
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Pryor reminds the jury the defendant never has to prove
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his innocence and he does not have to speak. They
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have the burden to prove there was an agreement. They
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have the duty to prove Chad in some way was
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involved in the murder, Pryor says, referring to the prosecutors. 2.26 p.m.
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Pryor explains juror instruction number five, reasonable doubt. He tells
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the jurors if they don't know which way this is
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supposed to go, the verdict is not guilty. And under
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our system of justice, it has to be not guilty.
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Pryor references the teachers and principal and everyone else who
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was dragged in to testify about Tammy's health. He tells
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the jury to use common sense. 2.29 p.m. If you
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have doubt about what happened here, the verdict has to
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be not guilty. That's what the law says, Pryor says. 2.30 p.m.
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There has not been any evidence saying we're going to
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kill the kids. We're going to kill Tammy, Pryor says.
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There was talk about a plan, 144,000 building a village
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for the sick, etc. It wasn't a plan to kill folks.
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It was a plan to gather by a traditional Mormon. 2.32 p.m.
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Pryor talks about jury instruction number 8 and 18. He
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points to the last sentence of number 18. Mere presence at,
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acquiescence in, or silent consent to the planning and commission
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of a crime is not sufficient to make one an accomplice.
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Pryor reminds the jury there has to be an agreement. 2.35 p.m.
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Pryor tells jurors to listen to the testimony of Jason
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William and the call he recorded between him, Chad, and Lori.
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Lori told Jason to refer... Law enforcement to their family attorney. 2.36 p.m.
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Chad didn't know where the kids were. Chad didn't know
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where the kids were until that faithful day on June
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9th when the kids were found on his property, Pryor says.
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Pryor says Lori Vallow was selling the plan that the
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kids were fine and nobody else knew where they were.
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That was the dupe on Chad Daybell. The kids were fine.
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It's all going to be cleared up. So they did
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throw Lori under the bus here at the end. I
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was waiting for that to happen. and they were doing
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it a little bit throughout the trial, but here, they're
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throwing her directly under the bus and saying it was
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all Lori Vallow. Guess what? Not gonna work. 2.37 p.m.
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Pryor apologizes that he's running long. I didn't mean to
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go on this long, he says. Pryor references the police
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body camera footage with Detective Ron Ball in November of 2019,
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where Lori says she's planning to move in with her
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friend Melanie Gibb. 2.40 p.m. Pryor, again, says there was
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no agreement between Chad and the co-conspirators. 2.42 p.m. Pryor
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shows a slide displaying jury instruction number 20. It talks
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about the crime of conspiracy and there needing to be
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an agreement. Pryor wants to talk about two exhibits. The
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first picture is of the tools in the garage. Pryor
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says the first picture of the shovel shows there aren't
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any scuff marks. He says the second picture, taken later
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in the day, shows scuff marks. 2.45 p.m. Pryor refers
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to Officer Schmidt's testimony. Grab some shovels and start digging.
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How do we know he's telling the truth? Pryor tells
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jurors to review the pictures of the shovels and says
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the police used Chad Daybell's shovels while they were looking
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for Tylee and JJ. Magically, we get a pickaxe and
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another shovel, and guess what? Surprisingly, of the 18 tools,
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not a drop of DNA of Chad Daybell is on
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any of the tools. Well, that's because he coerced Alex
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Cox into doing his killing. It's no different than if
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a mafia boss sends a hitman to go kill someone, right?
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They conspired to murder insert person here. And if you're
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involved in that and you're the one giving the orders,
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my friend, you're just as guilty. 2.46 p.m. Pryor talks
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about motive and says Alex Cox shot Charles Vallow. He
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says there were two expendable people who witnessed the murder
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of Charles Vallow, Tylee Ryan and J.J. Vallow. They became
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expendable because the one thing they could cause Alex Cox
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to spend the rest of his life or far worse
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in Arizona is a 16-year-old girl and an autistic 7-year-old
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little boy. Chad Daybell was not charged in that crime. 2.48 p.m.
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Pryor says Lori Vallow cared about money, Lori Vallow and
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Alex Cox. He talks about Lori trying to get her
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greedy hands on money. And the next victim, husband number five,
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referring to Chad Daybell. Just get insurance. Just say it's
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me and you. Pryor says Chad usually drove the Dodge
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Dakota and the target of the gunman was not Tammy Daybell.
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He was the target, pointing at Chad. Wow, that is something, huh?
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Pryor really going for the gusto here and going for broke.
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So Chad Daybell's the victim in this whole story? Okay,
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I'm sure the jury's gonna love that. 2.51 p.m. Alex
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Cox had motive. Alex Cox would be either spending the
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rest of his life in prison or far worse, fade
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if JJ or Tylee opened their mouth and said anything,
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Pryor says. 2.53 p.m. Pryor says Dr. Christensen, the man
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who did the autopsy on Tammy in Utah, never called
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Chad and Tammy's kids. Pryor talks about confirmation bias and
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all in the audience with the suits referring to the police.
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That's exactly what they did. Pryor says Melanie Gibb and
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David Warwick were ignored. They did nothing. Referring to the
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police not investigating Gibb and Warwick. 2.55 p.m. Pryor says
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Melanie Gibb was trying to cover her tracks and all
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these religious teachings came from Melanie Gibb. He references how
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Chad's phone had zero location data. 2.58 p.m. Pryor talks
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about September 9th. The same cast of characters, same people.
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Alex Cox, Lori Vallow, Tylee Ryan. Pryor references the raccoon text.
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and how there was no location to show where Chad was.
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Earlier in the day, yeah, he shot a raccoon. Then
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he started a small fire and burned some limbs. We
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know he shot a raccoon, Pryor says. Referring to Reagan
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Price's testimony, a neighbor, the earlier that morning, she heard
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a gunshot. 3 p.m. Pryor mentions Dr. Bartolink's testimony, the
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guy who researched how much it takes to burn a body.
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Where was the bonfire on September 9th? There was no bonfire.
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It wasn't there. I can't prove to you where Alex
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Cox burned the body, but the body was burned as
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a whole, Pryor says. 3.02 p.m. You can't say the
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police didn't try. They brought out a bulldozer. They made
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an effort to find whatever they could find, but they
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couldn't find all the pieces. The question remains is this.
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If Alex Cox put the body in the ground and
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put Quikrete to cover up the burial, when did the
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carnivore bite take place? When did we get the carnivore
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bite if Alex Cox took the body directly from his apartment?
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brought it to Chad's like they're suggesting, threw it in
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the ground. When did the carnivore bite take place? Pryor
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says Alex Cox murdered Tylee Ryan and Lori Vallow knew
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what was going on. Yeah, so did Chad Daybell. He
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was in on it, stupid. 3.04 p.m. Pryor says Alex
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burned Tylee's body somewhere in Fremont or Madison County and
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then put it in the ground. He says Lori's intent
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was to finish off husband number five. Pryor says, pointing
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to Chad, and then says Lori tried to set Chad up.
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Alex Cox is a murderer, and he is not shy
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about shooting people. He shot at Brandon Boudreau, he murdered
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Charles Vallow, and Chad Daybell was next. 3.07 p.m. Pryor
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says Alex was going to kill Chad next. He refers
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to text messages between Melanie Gibb and Rod Wood, including
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one exchange Melanie Gibb had with Keith Morrison about Melanie's
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intent to protect the church. Why is Melanie Gibb telling
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a prosecutor in a criminal case that we need to
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protect the church, Pryor says? 3.09 p.m. Pryor lists people
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who Chad said were dark. Heather Daybell, Detective Hermosillo, Samantha Gwilliam.
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They were all dark, but they're not dead. Chad was
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the target. This author writes and talks about uncomfortable things.
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But he has every right to talk about it, and
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you cannot hold it against him because you don't like
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the topic. So much for not going long, huh? So,
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stupid-ass Pryor here tries to, you know, get a shot
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in at the prosecution in the beginning. Oh, well, I'm
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not going to take this long time that the prosecution took, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile,
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here he is rambling on about a bunch of bullshit. 3.11 p.m.
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Pryor lists his experts on the screen. Dr. Raven, Dr. Bartolink,
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Patrick Eller, and Dr. Hampikian. 3.13 p.m. Pryor talks with
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the jury about Dark and Light, cashing, and Chad being
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a traditional Mormon. Pryor says Chad can go off into
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a 35 or 40 minute patriarchal prayer and still don't
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even know what he's talking about. Chad smiles and shakes
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his head. 3.15pm. Pryor tells the jury that silence cannot
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be used against Chad. You can't do that. If he
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chooses not to talk, you can't even consider that, Pryor says. 3.17pm.
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Pryor wants to talk about Tammy and the Fitbit. You
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heard from Emma and Garth that their mother wasn't doing
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that great. Pryor tells the jury they can't speculate about
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Tammy's health. 3.19pm, Pryor says Melanie Gibb waited 10 days
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to tell the police that she knew where JJ was.
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He calls Zulema Pastanis another complainer, married to the murderer
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of JJ Vallow, married to the murderer of Tylee Ryan,
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married to the murderer of Charles Vallow, and married to
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the attempted murderer of Brandon Boudreau. Well, all that's true,
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because Alex Cox is a dirtbag scumbag son of a bitch.
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And I've told you since the very beginning that he's
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the one that actually did the wet work. 3.22 p.m.
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Pryor says, Tammy got the bruises on her arms and
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chest from carrying books at the book fair. There was
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no asphyxiation here. This was not a homicide. 3.23 p.m.
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These officers failed this investigation. They absolutely failed in their
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investigation looking up the facts of this case. If there
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is reasonable doubt, and there is reasonable doubt, you must
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return a verdict of not guilty. I'm respectfully asking all
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of you to return a verdict of not guilty. Prior
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as done, his total time was an hour and 19 minutes. 3.25 p.m.
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We're taking a 15-minute recess before Lindsay Blake does rebuttal,
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closing arguments. 3.49 p.m. Back in the courtroom. Boyce is
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on the bench and the jurors are being brought in. 3.50 p.m.
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Lindsay Blake will offer a rebuttal. She begins by talking
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about jury instructions. Instruction number 18, aiding and abetting is defined.
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as before or during the commission, intentionally aiding, assisting, encouraging, counseling, inviting, helping,
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or hiring another to commit a crime. If you find
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any of those acts occurred, when we are talking about
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first degree and conspiracy, you don't have to find the
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defendant actually committed the physical act to end someone's life.
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You have to find that the defendant did one of
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those things. 3.53 p.m. The state absolutely recognizes we have
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the burden of proof in this case. We told you
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that in the beginning. We're not shying away from that.
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It's our burden, Blake says. 3.55 p.m. Blake says a
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conspiracy requires a plan to commit a crime, and one
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of the actors commits one overt act. Not every actor
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needs to commit the act, and not every act has
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to be committed. 3.54 p.m. Conspirators need not agree on
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every detail. The agreement may be established in any manner
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sufficient to show an understanding with the parties, Blake says,
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reading from the rules. 3.55 p.m. Blake says there doesn't
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have to be a written agreement. It can be implied. 3.57 p.m.
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Blake mentions Detective Mattingly trying to show autopsy results to
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Emma Daybell Murray. He told her she didn't have to
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do an interview. They could just show him to her. 3.58 p.m.
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Blake reminds the jury of Jason William testifying that Chad
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told him, my kids know how to keep a secret. 3.59 p.m.
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Blake talks about Chad not facing charges. In relation to
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Brandon Boudreau and Charles Vallow, Blake says he's not on
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trial for those crimes, but Brandon and Charles were both
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labeled dark by Chad. 4 p.m. Lori and Alex weren't
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the ones labeling people dark in the messages. Lori and
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Alex weren't the ones assigning death percentages, Blake says. Chad was. 4.04 p.m.
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Blake reminds jurors about Chad Daybell's house having an upstairs
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and the recording of Chad and Emma chatting with each
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other when he was in the backseat of a police
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car on June 9th. Blake says Alex isn't just on
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the property the day JJ was buried. He was in
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the actual spot where JJ was buried. 4.07 p.m. Blake
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reminds the jury of the recordings Ian Polowski made with
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his new wife, Lori and Chad. On one of the recordings,
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they're upset that Melanie Gibb is going to police. 4.09 p.m.
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Blake reminds JJ and Tylee were both last seen after
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it was confirmed that Lori was receiving their Social Security payments.
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Chad's the one who determined someone was dark. Chad's the
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one who determined death percentages. The kids were buried on
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Chad's property. 4.10 p.m. Blake says there were never any
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reports made to the sheriff's office that Chad was afraid
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of Alex Cox. After Alex Cox shot Chad, Chad was
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back in Arizona visiting with Alex and Lori. Chad gave
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Alex a blessing. 4.13 p.m. Blake reminds the jury that
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Emma testified. Her dad told her the kids were safe.
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He tells the jury that Dr. Raven, the defense expert,
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didn't review medical records or other records while the state's
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witnesses reviewed records. 4.15 p.m. Blake reminds jurors that for conspiracy,
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there is no requirement that the defendant committed a physical
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act to end the life. 4.18 p.m. Blake tells the
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jurors law enforcement did not have on blinders. They went
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where the evidence led and followed up on lots of tips.
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The kids were found dead in his yard and Tammy
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was found dead in the house. You go where the
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evidence leads. 4.18 p.m. People that Chad labeled zombies were obstacles,
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Blake says. The people he could get financial gain from
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would die. Zombies is designated by Chad. Blake references the
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messages Pryor referred to and says they're messages that resulted
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in three people dying. 4.20 p.m. Blake shows a text
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message between Chad and Lori on the screen where Chad
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said relatives were obstacles. 4.23 p.m. Blake plays part of
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the patriarchal blessing Chad gave to Alex. Alex had already
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helped him in ways they could never repay. Blake emphasizes
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after she stops playing. 4.24 p.m. Chad says who's dark.
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Chad says whose death percentages are what and three bodies
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are located on his property. Three obstacles that were in
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their way, Blake says. She then plays a clip of
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Chad in the backseat of the police car where he says,
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I'm not coming back. 4.25 p.m. The recording was made
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on the same day Tylee and JJ were found on
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the property. I ask you to hold the state to
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our burden. Review the jury instructions. Apply common sense. Review
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the testimony and evidence. Thank you. Total time of rebuttal
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was 35 minutes. 4.26 p.m. Boyce will now draw numbers
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of the alternate jurors. It will be random. Their service
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isn't over in case a juror becomes sick or cannot serve.
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The alternates will also be sequestered. 4.28 p.m. Clerk draws
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the five numbers of the alternates. Six men. Sixteen women.
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18 woman, 17 man, 13 woman. 4.30 p.m. All jurors
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will be sequestered, including the alternates. Three bailiffs were sworn
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in yesterday to serve the juror, and three additional bailiffs
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will be sworn in now. Clerks, where's the men? 4.31 p.m.
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Jurors have left the courtroom. Boyce tells attorneys they need
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to stay close in case there's a verdict or a
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question from the juror. We are now in recess. All right, folks,
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so we're there, right? We're at the point where... we're
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about to get a verdict. And my guess is we're
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going to have that verdict either today or tomorrow. So
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we'll be here waiting for that verdict to drop. And
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when it does, we'll get it added to the catalog.
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But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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