8/19/25 - Hauntings, Psychology and the Paranormal, Bigfoot, Manifestations and MUCH more with Lady Ann Selene

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Hey guys, six thirty two on a Tuesday evening. Where
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else would you rather be than right here on paranormal
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among us? Hi, Natalie, how are you doing?
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I am great? How are you? Sir?
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I am fantastic to have this day just about over with.
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This is the fun part of the day. I have
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been looking forward to this all day, so especially after
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an unfortunate incident. But we're not going to get into that.
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So I am happy to be here, happy, yes.
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Yes, yes, happy to be here as well.
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And hope everybody else is doing well. Hey Jojo all
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the way from Australia. Jojo Fell from Pennsylvania. Pam from
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North Dakota. I think Tom from Makeall, Gary from Nebraska.
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I think I might be on a roll here. Oh my,
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Natalie from Florida. Yeah, I'm here, Amy, Amy from Louisiana.
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I know that Nicky from Kansas. I have no idea
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if I'm right or not. South Dakota where it is?
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Bj from Pennsylvania. Hi, everybody, all right, we have a
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fun show. We have Lady an Seline coming on here
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in just a few seconds. I'm going to talk all
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kinds of stuff. It's gonna be fun, you know. And
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I was telling her this the other day. I've met
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so many really cool people in this journey, and you
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guys are are Everybody in chat is certainly on that list, you,
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Natalie and everybody on the Misfit Toys. It's just been
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you know, I keep encountering neater and neaterter people. So
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I'm just loving doing this. So I just wanted to
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say that I don't know why.
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Yeah, yeah, it's our tribe.
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It's our tribe again real quick. Make sure that you
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get your tickets. They're going fast to the Crossing Rooms
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conference September nineteenth and twentieth and Richmond, Missouri. Get them
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before they're gone. Also, we are looking for vendor spots.
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If you know anybody that wants to be a vendor there,
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same link go to event bright and search Crossing Rooms
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Conference and you can get the vendor information there as well.
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I will be there. I don't know. Okay, So the
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big pink posted note thing may or may not happen,
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but I might need this shirt.
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You need to get that.
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You need to get that, and then get a second
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one and then we could cut it up and use
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it as a little do rag.
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Thank you, Mickey, you're amazing.
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Oh awesome, thank you Mickey conference. Yes, yep, one more
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month for the conference. And then also we have Shelley
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Montgomery became a member, So thank you guys very very much. Also,
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real quick, before I forget, I have the new website up,
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paranormal among us dot com. On there you can get
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some merchandise if you like. I got poker cards, I
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got longsleeve shirts, mousepads, stickers, I think that is T shirts, hoodies, hats, mugs,
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travel mugs, and tank tops right now, so more to com.
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So what else could they expect?
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You know, I just don't know.
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I just don't know.
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I just don't know.
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Okay, all right, well, sank you.
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I'm sure other fun things will will pop up. You
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can get that all on paranormal among us dot com.
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Pam's going to have the links for all this and
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she has it up there now, so all right, without
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further ado, let's bring up this lady and Selene Anne,
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how are you.
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I'm good, excited to be here.
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I am excited that you're here too. Thank you so
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much for spending your Tuesday night with us.
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Of course, of course you.
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Have you again, that's awesome.
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We got to meet in West Virginia, which was you know,
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it was a brief meeting. It was an adventure. The
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heat was brutal, but it's great to see you again. Yeah,
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there are better circumstances.
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Yes, yes, so you can actually talk this.
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Time and the last time Anne was on here and
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I felt so very bad. The first part of the
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interview was was fine. The last fifteen minutes of it,
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I just felt like I was getting violently sick, and
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I ended up getting sick. I had to cut the
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interview short, and I just I felt absolutely horrible about that.
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And you know, I know it happened. It happens like that.
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But this time, you know, everything's going to be fine.
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No one's going to have to duck out early.
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Yeah, we're all good. Yeah, knock on boy, play a
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little prayer.
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So Ann give us a little update on you guys.
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You and Ken moved out to New York, I believe.
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Yes, we are in upstate New York and it's absolutely incredible.
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You know, being from Oregon, I missed the ferns and
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all the green and Texas was definitely I mean, it
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has its beauty, but I'm not a desert girl. I
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have to be in the forest. I need to be
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around ferns, and it has been absolutely incredible. I mean
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every day I wake up and there are deer outside
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my window and it's just and it's neat too because
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we get to see some of the bucks growing and
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their antlers are getting so big, and so that's just
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been incredible. And then I've been able to travel to
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a lot of the different events now as well that
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you know, at least if it's in like a ten
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hour driving, you know, realm, then I can go. But
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the kids, you know, anything further than that, after driving
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across you know, moving from Oregon to Texas and then
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driving again to move from Texas to here, they're just like,
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come on, we're.
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Done, So yeah, how much further?
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Exactly exactly? So so yeah, I got to go to
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a paras Icon in Ohio, which was incredible. I nice
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see the prison, and then we did the West Virginia
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and then this weekend there's a Bigfoot camp out at
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Benner's Run campground in Pennsylvania. So this will be my
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first show in Pennsylvania that I've got to attend. So
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I'm really excited about that.
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Awesome, so much fun? Are you camping or are you camping?
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Like, so, we actually went camping last week. It's your
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first camp trip as a family, which was a lot
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of fun. The kids loved it and Ken he was
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helping teach them how to fish and so that was
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a lot of fun. So cute. And then we uh,
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for this one, we're going to be in a cabin.
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Oh good, Yeah, yeah, I haven't.
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I haven't ten camped in ages, and I think I'm
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pretty much done with that. I think you know, it
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was rough.
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Let me tell you. I felt like my whole body was.
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And you're still young, come on, yeah.
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I'll be thirty nine in November, so you're still very young.
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I'm like, I'm thirty nine going on ninety eight.
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Okay, whenever I go camping, I've got to take Eyberprofen
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with me because you.
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Don't know, I would need some kind of hoist to
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get me back up out of this.
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Oh my, but that sounds like so much fun. Yeah,
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and then Ken's speaking correct.
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Yes, well this weekend, no, but he's's got two shows
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in Kentucky that he's speaking at coming right up right
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after that, So.
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Okay, yeah, got it.
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Do you know those shows off hand where they're at
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in Kentucky.
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Oh my gosh. Go to his profile. He just talked
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about it's a brand new one in Kentucky. And then
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the other one is Goblin Con, which Ron Murphil beat
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as well. And I was so bummed because it's right.
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It's just it's like three hours past the limit and
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so we're not we're not driving as a family and
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so but yeah, so one is a brand new one.
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I think that it's new this year. You'd have to
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go to his profile. He just posted about it. But
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the other one is Goblin Con.
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Okay, speaking of brand new conferences, here's the Crossing Realms
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Conference December nineteenth and twentieth.
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Sorry, I love it, you know, I'm sad that we're
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not going to be there. We you know, it was
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one of those things where we're living in Texas. It
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was one thing. Then after everything that we've been through
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at this point, it's just, you know, but I'm there
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with you in spirit. I love all of you, and
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I can't hear how everything goes. I'm going to be
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following along on social media, watching the videos, looking at
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the pictures. I can't wait.
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I believe Chris Jordan is going to have a live
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stream of the whole events, so it'll be on there.
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I think that's also an event.
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Bright.
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That was pretty new information to me, So I.
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Yeah, tag me in anything because I want to be
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you know, a part of it from Afar and we.
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Completely understand that you guys couldn't make it. Yeah, it's fine,
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but you know I am bummed to that. I want
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to you. But there will be other times.
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Yes, there's going to be more opportunities for sure.
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Right right, So you mentioned, uh, you went to the
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prison in Ohio before? Have you? Have you ever her?
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Wow?
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Have you ever there? I love it? Go ahead, Chris
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doesn't point this out when I'm on with her.
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You know, well I had never been to the prison before. Yeah,
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so let's see here. I'm gonna give a little bit
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of an unpopular possible opinion. I absolutely loved it. I
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absolutely loved it. There was something I learned though. So
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there's a room in there that you go into and
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it's supposed to be super haunted and I can't even remember.
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It's just up on one of the floors. There's a
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single chair in there, and when you walk in the floor,
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I mean the floor seems like it's level but the
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ceiling is just I mean, it's it's like this, it's
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like a wave, and it's very disorient when you walk
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in there. And I took note of that. And then
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I remember another conference that we were at in an
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old building and the floor felt solid, but when you
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put a ball on it, it was moving around. And
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then I move into this house, which was built in
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around nineteen oh nine, and let me tell you, it's
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like walking into a wonky it's a wonky house. We've
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got this dresser that one of the drawers likes to
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just continually open, you know, because things settle, and you know,
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we're up on this mountain. And so it's interesting to
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me psychologically speaking, right that when we go into old
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houses and we're exposed to things that were not necessarily
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used to so like just a slight offness about the
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floor can affect your equilibrium. And so I'm not saying
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that it's not haunted, because so I don't want to,
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you know, say that, but it did teach me another
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thing that could go into an explanation about why a
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room may feel really wonky and weird and just off
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to our person. And then when I came home, what
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was really interesting too, is I hadn't done the EMF
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here at the house, and so I decided to. And
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I was in the living room and it was just
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going off like crazy, and there was no electrical anything.
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It didn't make sense why it was going off. So
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I decided to check the rest of the house, which
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then included the basement below. So right below the floor
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is where all the you know, the power box and
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everything is. So the electricity is really rising quite a
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bit from the basement directly to that area, which I
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wasn't aware of. When it came to those detectors, I
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thought that they had to be like, if this is
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the wall, then you had to be like this close
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to it. I didn't know that there was like a
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large distance that if it's really strong, especially with K
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and T wiring, so the old the old wiring, oh wow,
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it lets off way more EMF than the wiring that
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we see in houses today. So and then if our
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bodies are exposed to that, that also has us feel
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different sensations as well. So again I don't want to
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come off like I'm a naysayer. I'm an experiencer. I
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believe in this kind of stuff, but I do think
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that it's important to learn the way things work as well,
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so that way we can get closer to the truth.
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And so that was kind of it was. The experience
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was incredible to be at the prison, and it really
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springboarded me into a whole nother depth of research.
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Right right, And thank you very much, Marky for the
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five new members. Appreciate you, sir. And it's funny as
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you were saying that about the floor or things being
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odd and rolling, I felt like my chair was scooting
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backwards a little bit. It's probably just you know that
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throwing that out there, and then I just felt like
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I was I don't know if I was moving funny
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on it or not, but it felt yeah.
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I remember a story from Paranormal four one one about
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a similar incident where somebody was saying that they had
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paranormal activity and it turned out to be old wiring
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in their ceiling energy was coming down. So you really
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have to do a really good investigation right point.
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Right exactly, and that, you know, that's just another example of,
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like you guys said, doing your due diligence to debunk
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all this stuff, and you know, we're we're searching for
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the truth and you know, just whatever avenue, we need
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to get to find it, you know, even if it
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means debunking some really cool what we might think is evidence, right,
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so be it right.
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I mean, there's nothing more than I would love to
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be able to believe that loved ones can come through.
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And I believe that they can. But like for me,
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I've experienced through dreams and different things like that. But
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it would be really cool if it was a physical manifestation,
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if they could actually come through in that way, and
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to be able, like you said, to get closer to
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that knowing. You know, we have to really get rid
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of what is truly not so that way we can
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find what is.
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Yeah, So shortly after my dad died, I was downstairs
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in the basement and he hadn't been here in a
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long time in this house, and we've actually redone the
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house since since he passed away. But I was I
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was working out or something down there, and all of
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a sudden, I get the smell of old spice after
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shave kind of walked past me. So, you know, I
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didn't know anybody else that had old spice after shave,
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just you know, just him. So I'm fairly certain that
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it was him that was visiting me there.
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believe in those kinds of things for sure. You know,
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even if there's a certain like a bird, you know,
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there was somebody that I knew that he I don't
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know how. He passed away in a really difficult manner,
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and there was a connection to Robin's And on the
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day of his funeral, there was a robin that came
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after we buried him, and the robin was on the
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deck and it was actually injured, and so I was
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able to, you know, care for it and everything, and
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it was just kind of it was synchronistic. But I
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believe that it could have been connected, you know, especially
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because of the timing and everything.
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So, yeah, that's weird. They're saying something in chat, can't
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see anything there. That's about something else. I thought maybe
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somebody might have seen something in the background or something.
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Never mind, Okay, I saw that and like, okay, what's
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going on.
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something behind you.
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standing right back here. I have my K two meter
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going all the time, and oh, wow, doing anything, but
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the last show, I think it was almost all the
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way up. Oh well, so okay, So we have quite
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a bit to talk about tonight. Just a lot of stuff,
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I mean a lot of stuff that I want to
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go over with you and everything. Uh, first off, let's
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can we let's talk about your your writings in your
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in your website a little bit.
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Oh okay, well, gosh, so my new website, anselene dot com.
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I'm really trying to focus on my writing a lot
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more than I did in the past. I feel like
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I'm always all over the place with my research and everything,
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so I'm trying to really funnel it in and get
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better oriented. And currently so I have my first book
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that is in the process of being reprinted republished.
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And.
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I'm also in the process of still writing my second book,
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which the first book really goes over all of my
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paranormal experiences and different things that I experienced from birth
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until about twenty twenty two. The second book, though, really
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showcases the changes that have happened within my life. Because
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I'm still an experiencer. I still have the beliefs, but
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they are evolving. And I was actually on this I
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was on with Christopher Jordan, and we were talking about
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the changes and everything, and he said, you know, to
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be a true skeptic, you know, to be an open
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mindedness and scientific way, sometimes you have to kill your darlings.
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And so some of those long held beliefs that I have,
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it's okay that they've changed and I don't hold some
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of them anymore. This is how we evolve and how
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we grow and everything, and so I've jumped into psychology
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a lot more.
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I think we talked about this on the last show,
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where there was an experience that I had that I
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thought was ET related, but I learned that this particular
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experience was not ET related. It was an actual traumatic
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event with a person. And because of the flush, the
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flood of courtes all to my brain during the event,
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that can cause because it goes into the I think
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it's the hypothelmis and the amygdala. So when that happens,
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those are the areas that are responsible for memory, and
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thus it can create false memories and effect, you know,
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being able to recall things properly. So I already had
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a basis of belief in aliens and UFOs and all
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that kind of stuff. So this is where the brain
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picked that from to create the new scenario, which was
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more palpable than the truth. And so, but that's just
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one experience that doesn't cover all the other ones or
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the ones that I've had other people with me when
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we've had those, you know. But it was quite a
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big change to sit there and go, okay, I recognize
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that this was not a paranormal experience, this was a
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human experience. To be able to change, you know, that
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can be hard. I think a lot of people in
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the field it would be really difficult to face or
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to even publicly say, Okay, no, that didn't happen, it
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was actually this. So that is the direction that I'm going.
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So psychology, the power of the mind manifestation is also
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a really big thing that I believe in. So that's
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a lot of what my writings are centered around.
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Nice you mentioned earlier about the believing in the UFOs
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and stuff. What do you think they are? Do you
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think they're already here? Do you think they're us from
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the future? Do you think they come from distant planets
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that may travel millions of years and years well light
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years to get here? What are you? What do you think?
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You know?
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It's so I have a I was raised by a
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military father. We've got a military background. I do believe
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that some UFOs are from unknown you know, they're just unknowns,
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whether it's an ET from a different planet. But I
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also think that the government has a lot of technology
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that we're not aware of, and so some of the
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UFOs are our government and some of it is from
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you know, an extraterrestrial I think. I mean, I still
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can't discount when my dad said when I was really little,
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I asked him, I said, well, Dad, are they're good
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aliens bad aliens? And he looked at me and he said,
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of course there are, just like there's good humans and
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bad humans. So if you're going to tell me that,
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and you're going to say it in such a way,
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I'm going to believe that. Because it wasn't joking and
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I was really small. It was just very like you
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don't talk strangers, you know, the same same thing.
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So and if it comes from your father, I mean,
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chances are you're going to believe what your parents would say.
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Right well, especially given his military.
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Background, right right right? What branch of the or what
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branch was he in?
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He was in the Air Force.
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Oh awesome, My dad is from the Air Force, so
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he probably couldn't. I mean, he could have seen something,
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he could have experienced something on his own and knew
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there was more out there that was pretty cool.
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Yeah, he was a part of command and control, and
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so there's a lot of stuff that he can't talk about,
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underground things. And I'm actually I've been researching him and
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asked him to send me his d D two fourteen
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and I requested foya and all kinds of stuff to
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try to dig deeper into his past with that.
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And he can't tell a single person, not even his daughter.
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Correct. Yeah, he's got like long NDAs.
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Wow, magic stuff that he knows.
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I know.
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I know.
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I'm always joking with him. I you know, when I
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bought my first car, I said, hey, Dad, Hey, I
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got my first car. I'm going to go drive it
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home now. I hope that I don't see any lights
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in the sky and uh, you know. And I've always
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also said, are you sure that I was born and
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not created? You know, or something. I always like to
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give him guff about his time in the military, and
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you know, oh that's a lot of fun nothing.
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Yeah, wow, I was trying to go to him into uh,
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that's what I would do. I mean, I don't know
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what my my dad did, but I don't think it
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was anything top secret or anything. But you know, if
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I knew somebody with high ranking and stuff, I think
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I would trying to get.
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That.
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You can think of from joking to like super intelligent
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questions with like military jargon and everything, and he'll just
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he'll just shake his head and laugh at me.
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Gotta try. I meant to find this stuff out exactly something.
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You know. He might go like that, and then you're like, oh, right.
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Right, exactly, Greg, high ranking?
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Greg. Greg is not high ranking military?
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Yeah, we said military, Greg.
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Greg. No, not no, Greg, You're not.
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You're you're high ranking. As it comes to moisteness.
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Yes, you've got some moisteness. You're extra moist. Okay, that's
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mister man. That's his name.
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Oh my god, it's okay.
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He's actually my boss.
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Oh nice.
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We like to harass each other.
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Oh, I love it.
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He's just a good buddy to me. He's not my boss.
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Yeah.
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I can be bought though, Greg.
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Yes, you had him at how much?
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Anyway?
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Anne, It's so good.
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I love it. We're laughing, we're having a good time.
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I'm happy, good golly. And I've been writing notes down
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and I lost track of where we're going, Natalie, Where
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was I going?
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Yeah, I don't know where you were going, but I'm
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going to go somewhere.
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So an adventure.
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Yes, we're going to go on an adventure. So what
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kind of research are you doing just recently, like paranormal cryptid.
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Really it's based on psychology. I want to learn how
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the mind works, so that way I can understand that
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when somebody comes up to me when we're at a
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conference and they're telling me that they have this really
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traumatic experience, what is the best way that I can
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handle that? And how you know? Because I think the
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big thing is So there's something called ambiguity intolerance. This
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is where people like you don't have an answer. I
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hate it. I have I have it. I have ambiguity
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and tolerance. It's very hard to be sitting there in
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limbo and not have answers. So as researchers, when somebody
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comes up to us, we have the ability to either
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make that better for the experiencer or make it worse.
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And so I want to understand, like, how can I
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deliver to these people that really want an answer? Because
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maybe they had very traumatic experience. How can I help
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them understand that sometimes there's never going to be an
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answer and that that's actually okay, and sometimes that can
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be better and it can lead us on a different
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path that can you know, change our life for the better.
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Even so, that's one thing that I've been experiencing or researching.
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And then another thing is just learning how people deal
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with trauma and how cortisol affects the brain, you know,
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and false memories and being able to decipher between all
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of that. So I would say that that has been
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my number one rabbit hole at the moment.
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Well, that's intriguing and interesting. I love that.
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Yeah, well, I absolutely love that because then you can
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really dive in deeper and then you can help. You know,
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to your point at conference is there are some people
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that have had traumatic events, right, and you know they're
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having an emotional response, and you've got to be there.
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You don't want to dismiss it. I want to make
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sure that you're supportive and yet you know, trying to
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help them and guide them. And to your point, you
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sometimes there isn't an answer.
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Right right exactly. I mean I look at this whole
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field when I got into it originally, you know, I
489
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found Shannon lagrou on into the Fray Radio. She was
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the very first paranormal podcast I had ever heard, and
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so when I was listening to her station, it was
492
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like or her show. It was so amazing to hear
493
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.599
other people tell these experiences that I had had, like
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with shadow people and different things like that. So it
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was very validating for me. Then I was able to
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go on and oh my gosh, I remember, I was
497
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so nervous. Oh, and I told my story and afterwards
498
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.880
there are people like there was somebody from it was
499
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like Newfoundland or somewhere anyways outside of the US, plus
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a bunch of other people here that had messaged me
501
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and said we've experienced this too, where I know exactly
502
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.279
what you're saying and for me, so this is really
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really healing, And then it was also healing for them
504
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because now I'm telling my story. So that's how the
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Caravan was born, my podcast that I had for a while,
506
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and then from there because I loved what people were
507
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doing and I really believe, like I believe in what
508
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:38.960
you guys are doing offering people a platform, and so
509
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KP and L Radio was born for a time. From that,
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so I hosted all, you know, different kinds of podcasts
511
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.920
and everything, which I absolutely loved, and I just wanted
512
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to facilitate as much healing as possible. And so now
513
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.680
you know, I've shifted into writing because I think that
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that's kind of my my karlane, that is my you know,
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where I'm where I fit best, and hopefully I can
516
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:11.119
continue that that hope, you know, to heal and help
517
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the people in our community.
518
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:22.799
And you're inspiring others to start writing as well. Oh,
519
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.119
on your website, say I got it real quicker on
520
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.079
here on your website, I noticed it has private sessions, sessions,
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00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.279
private sessions, thank you. There's actually a sessions store that
522
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.279
lives that's right now.
523
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.680
So eventually, I so, I do offer private sessions. I
524
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.359
have a history. So I started to go to what
525
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.519
was known as healing group when I was fifteen, and
526
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.759
I became a wreaking master when I was in my
527
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early twenties. I think it was twenty three. And so
528
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.359
when I so, I offer you know, the long distance reiki,
529
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.759
I do intuitive tarot and ruine readings. But I also
530
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:12.359
so when I was about eighteen or nineteen, I was
531
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.359
in turning underneath somebody who is a spiritual counselor, and
532
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.960
I loved it. It was just it was an honor
533
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.319
to be able to sit on some of those sessions
534
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.039
and to be able to talk with them and really
535
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.440
lead from the heart centered intuitive, you know. And it
536
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.200
was so fulfilling because it really did make a difference
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in their lives. But I ended up I enlisted in
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the Air Force and that took me on a totally
539
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.079
different path for a while, and it's actually taken some
540
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.160
time to really come back to center and come back
541
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to my spirituality and the different practices and everything. But
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I love doing it. There's nothing else like it. So yeah,
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I decided, you know what, I know that that's a
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calling of mine. I'm gonna offer sessions again and and
545
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just see where it goes.
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Real quick. Thank you Moon for being becoming a new member,
547
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and thank you Moon for the two dollars donation. Keep
548
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.640
on getting the truth out, Amen to that and two Shadows,
549
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.119
Thank you very much for your super chat guys. You know,
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I couldn't agree with you more helping people like that,
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you know, whether it's you know, through reiki, through this
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00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.640
just having a platform to something completely different losing weight, whatever,
553
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:40.799
it's it's such a great feeling to be therapeutic for
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00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.680
somebody and see them walk away in a much better
555
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:48.880
state of mind or a much better body figure or whatever.
556
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Yeah. Yeah, it's huge.
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Yeah, that's that's that's incredible. Randy, wrong one, I'm hitting
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on the wrong button. Where am I at? Randy needs
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a reading?
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Randy, of course.
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I do it.
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But you don't want Paul giving you a reading.
563
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No, there'd be pink post it notes all over.
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With glitter pen. I know that's how he rolls it,
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you know.
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I'm just he stands glitter pen kind of guy. Yeah.
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Yeah, But I love the fact that you're making such
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a positive impact on others and how you're bringing healing
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to others that are in need and and for those
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who are hurting and or who are lost and not
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sure who to turn to. So that's beautiful. Thank you,
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Thank you for doing that.
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00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.159
Well, thank you. You know it's it's definitely not an
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easy path, you know. I'm definitely very I guess the
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word is empathic, so I feel everything. But in feeling everything,
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I also feel that need, you know, and I would
577
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love to be able to bring, like to build a
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bridge between the different camps. Like you have the people
579
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that are very scientific so in regards to like sasquatch, right,
580
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So you have the people that are like apors and
581
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they're really like, this is the science behind it. But
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then you have the other camp that believe that they
583
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are from UFOs and can mind speak and all this
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kind of stuff. I do believe that there's a bridge
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between all of it and that there doesn't have to
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be the turmoil and the fighting and nitpicking back and forth.
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So I'm trying to figure out how to create that
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bridge so that way, because honestly, if we can't figure
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that out, it's going to enrich our fields so much
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and we'll be able to come closer to the truth
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than if we're you know, what is that gatekeeping and
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bickering and judging and you know, et cetera.
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So yeah, yeah, you know, if if if we would
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all just you know, get along. We're all looking for
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the same thing. We're all looking for what's out there? What,
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what does what is bigfoot? What is there a real
597
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.320
dog man? What is it? What is mothman? What's what's behind?
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What's the shadow figure? What is all this stuff? We're
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all looking for the same thing. And you know, I
600
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I don't like you know, I'm not about the drama.
601
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I don't like the drama. I you know, if I
602
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.480
see any negativity in here, I you know, boom, they're gone.
603
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I just don't understand it. Why we're not why everybody's
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not getting along and trying to come together and find
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the same solution, find the same answers. I just don't
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get that.
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Yeah, I think that. And here we go back into
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the psychology of things. If I really do believe that,
609
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if we can go to therapy ourselves and really face ourselves, right,
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when you fix the relationship that you have with yourself,
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you're going to affect every single person around you. Because
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so if you're mean to me for whatever reason, it
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has everything to do with you. It has nothing to
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do with me. That's not a reflection of me at all.
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And I don't think that a lot of people really,
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I mean, nobody wants to sit there and go, Okay,
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I did wrong, that was my fault. That's a very
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hard thing to do. But if we can face ourselves
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and go to therapy and get that good relationship with ourselves, imagine,
620
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I mean, how you treat the rest that you interact
621
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with and imagine what it would do for our field.
622
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.480
Yeah, I completely agree, as my voice says a weird thing,
623
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.639
I completely agree, and I would never be mean to you.
624
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:56.280
You're so sweet.
625
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.599
Oh no, let you know that. I know.
626
00:37:59.000 --> 00:37:59.440
I love that.
627
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.280
Guys, You're like, yeah, I know, I'm sweet. Yeah, next question,
628
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:12.360
come on, No, I'm kidding. No, okay, never mind, So
629
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you know you kind of you touched on the on
630
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the big Foot and UFO connection. I posed this question
631
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to somebody recently. I can't remember who was one of
632
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my uh past guests not too long ago. Well, I
633
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.320
can't remember who it was. But anyway, you see, you
634
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see orbs right around the same time you see bigfoot
635
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in UFOs.
636
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M hm.
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Do you think one that the different colors of the
638
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orbs mean anything? And two, if so, you see a
639
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nine foot bigfoot or whatever, do you think the size
640
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of the orb has anything to do? What is about
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to transpire with that.
642
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.719
Orbs is a difficult thing for me to speak on.
643
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I in my early days, I definitely saw some orbs
644
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and I took pictures.
645
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But.
646
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Gosh, it's because I know that there's so many other
647
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things that orbes can be I'm at a stalemate, so
648
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I'm really not sure it's I guess there's not enough
649
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information there for me to feel comfortable with making a
650
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solid decision on that it's fair. So yeah, but I
651
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do think that with bigfoot that overlap with the UFOs
652
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and the mind speak and stuff like that, I think
653
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that there, you know, I do believe that Sasquatch is
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more flesh and blood, but I think that there is
655
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something else that can shape shift and have those abilities
656
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that we then perceive that it's one and that thing,
657
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:18.079
whatever it is, can have the connection to the orbs
658
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or the UFO or the mind speaker, the cloaking abilities,
659
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and then we also don't know, there could be like
660
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even separate from that, could be the UFO technology, whatever
661
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it is that they have. Can they then project the
662
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image because they know some of our ancestral fears, if
663
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you will, or whatever fears that we have when we're
664
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in the woods. Can they read that when we're there?
665
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So?
666
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Could this also be why some people might see a
667
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dog man as opposed to a bigfoot because their fear
668
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of one or the other may be more than you
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know what I mean, if that makes sense?
670
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So yeah, you can also be setting it to intentions
671
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going out there right, going I want to see a bigfoot.
672
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I want to see a big foot, and what I
673
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see and what you see could be two different things.
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So oh yeah, and you know I used to I
675
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.159
went to school for broadcasting and we did this one
676
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exercise where we line up in a line and one
677
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person would start at one then and whisper something to
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the next person telephone. Yeah, and by the time the
679
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first person said it to the time the last person
680
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heard it, it was completely different. So you know, we
681
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might see the exact same thing, but we're all three
682
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.360
going to interpret it differently.
683
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.440
Right, And you know that's really fascinating actually that you
684
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mentioned telephone, I actually wrote something down. So Kim and
685
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I were looking through you know those time life books
686
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that they're the Black Ones, and they are like mystical
687
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:01.440
creatures and psychic powers or whatever. So in it it
688
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had it's it said that so Marco Polo encountered a
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race of what he called dog headed men at the
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Andaman Islands, which is where North Sentinel Island is. So
691
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it's that island that nobody's supposed to go to that
692
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has the Sentinel easee that'll you know, kill you if
693
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you go over there. So the thing is, though, is,
694
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you know, so to somebody who has not seen other
695
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humans with certain traits right like prognacium, I can't, I
696
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.559
can't pronounce it right now, So like the flared nostrils
697
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.360
or different things like that, they may I mean, because
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we use metaphor all the time to try to explain something.
699
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So did he see a dog headed man or was
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he using metaphor to explain what he saw? And then
701
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through time it's this large, you know, long game of
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telephone that now today we're like, no, no, it's a
703
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tribe of werewolves that are you know, but I'm not
704
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.639
discounting it, but I'm saying that this is another you know, possibility,
705
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another avenue to research, you know.
706
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:22.599
So yeah, I mean they could have just had shaggy
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hair right and the right and then it just progressed
708
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from there. So yeah, no, I get it. I totally
709
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get it.
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This very interesting and real quick. Thank you h Moon
711
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for gifting one membership, and thank you to actually two
712
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shadows got the membership. So that's that's.
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Awesome, awesome.
714
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Wow, Yeah, I td.
715
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Be sidetracking myself so much. So, kind of going again,
716
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.760
going off the rails, someplace completely different. When you were
717
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.760
when you were little, did you ever think that you
718
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.559
would be down this path in your life?
719
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.639
No, So when I was little, Oh my gosh, So
720
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I dreamed of being a singer and or an artist.
721
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I actually had, you know, I had a portfolio that
722
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.719
was all set to go for the Portland Art College
723
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.159
that I was wanting to go to. But life took
724
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a turn. So I really thought that I was going
725
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.079
to be somewhere in the arts. And you know, then
726
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I enlisted, and when I came home, life was so
727
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much different. And then I met my ex husband and
728
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.679
immediately became a stay at home mom for twelve years,
729
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.960
you know. And it was in the last couple of
730
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.599
years of my marriage that I found podcasting, which was
731
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.320
incredible because I was actually homeschooling the kids and we
732
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.119
were talking about electricity and the development of that and entertainment.
733
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.639
So I of course growing up with my grandparents and
734
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.559
my dad listening to Howdy Duty and watching I Love
735
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.880
Lucy and everything because they loved antiques and so did I.
736
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.599
I was like, oh my gosh, I've got to show
737
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.840
them Howdy Duty and Rentintin and all these other things. Right,
738
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:24.400
So I opened up the computer and I was trying
739
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.440
to search for like, okay, do they do old radio
740
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.719
shows still exist today? Are there any new ones? And
741
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.159
then all of a sudden the word podcast popped up
742
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.320
and it was like, oh, okay. And so it just
743
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:41.599
took me in a totally different direction. And if I
744
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.199
wouldn't have been homeschooling the kids, I don't think that
745
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.400
I would be here where I'm at now.
746
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.000
It is amazing how life you think one thing in
747
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:55.599
your completely different path and yeah, yeah it's And thank
748
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.519
you Mickey for that five dollars. I appreciate you, Mickey.
749
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.480
And you know if I don't remember if it was
750
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.920
on your Facebook page or on Ken's Facebook page, but
751
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.119
there is a video of him playing the guitar. I
752
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.679
saw that and you singing, and somebody made the comment
753
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.639
on here. I think it was Randy says that you're
754
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:24.719
acting like you can't sing. Oh, I'm not going to
755
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.800
ask you to sing here. But it was it was
756
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:28.320
very good. I mean it was a lot better than
757
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:28.719
I could do.
758
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.239
No, we're putting you on the spot, and.
759
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.000
Oh goodness, well I appreciate that very much. It took
760
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:44.280
you know, I was in choir for I mean the
761
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.199
second that I knew that I could take choir in
762
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:48.760
fourth grade, I was like, oh, I'm going to do this.
763
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:50.480
And I did it all the way until in my
764
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.400
senior year. But then I didn't sing for a long time.
765
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:55.960
And Ken, you know, he was a professional. He has
766
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.760
a background, he was in several different bands and everything
767
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.400
like that. So we ended up he was playing some
768
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.760
of his songs and he was like, you should sing
769
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.199
with me, and I was just like, oh, man, like,
770
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.440
but you're a professional, Like I haven't been inquiring years.
771
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.519
So it was so it was so hard, but then
772
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.880
and then it just it just became so natural. And
773
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.519
then eventually we're like, you know, it'd be a lot
774
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.199
of fun to share this with everybody, because I've seen
775
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.400
other people come forward and share their personal life outside
776
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.760
of what they do on their podcasts, and it's inspiring,
777
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.679
you know, their books or their gardens or they're cooking.
778
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.119
I mean, we're all of us are so multi dimensional.
779
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.880
There's so much to each one of us, and I
780
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.800
think it's amazing when we can share that with others.
781
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.960
Yeah, absolutely, because we all have that side of us
782
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.840
that you know that people in our workplace don't see
783
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.280
right or you know, on the weekends, we love to
784
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.440
do something, so we'll go out and you know, draw.
785
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:10.199
Or part or something that normally normal people don't know
786
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.239
about us. So no, it is. It's beautiful. It's beautiful.
787
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.159
I mean, I still get people kind of looking at
788
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.960
me funny when I tell him I go ghost hunting sometimes,
789
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:25.760
and oh, yeah, really that's kind of cool, you know, yeah, yeah,
790
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.400
what what are you laughing at me?
791
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:31.519
It's so true.
792
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.199
And just today I was on a phone call and
793
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.599
it was actually an attorney I was talking to about
794
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.239
a case and he's like, so, what's this side business
795
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.159
that you have? And I told him I'm like, well,
796
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.719
I do, you know, investigate cryptids and and paranormal activity.
797
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.119
He goes, yeah, okay, bye, oh.
798
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.840
Yeah, oh my gosh, no, exactly, exactly.
799
00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:57.800
Yeah.
800
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.480
The reactions are always so like, oh okay, you know,
801
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.280
or they're like, oh that's so cool, or they changed
802
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:06.920
the subject.
803
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.280
Yeah, like I'm uncomfortable. I don't want to be around this.
804
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:11.960
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
805
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:17.320
Do you remember the first ghost investigation that you were
806
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:17.800
ever on?
807
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:26.760
Okay, let me think, because I mean I remember the
808
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.400
first like official one and that was actually for my
809
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:33.599
birthday in Ohio. Heather Moser from Small Town Monsters brought
810
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:37.840
me out. We're best friends and so she surprised me
811
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.400
for my birthday. Now it was really interesting. So she
812
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.639
flew me out from Oregon and she was not going
813
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.800
to give me any details on the location that we
814
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:49.480
were going to. And I was like, all right, that's cool.
815
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.000
You know, see about my spidy skills and what I
816
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.159
might be able to come up with. Right, And so
817
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.639
I get to her house, but immediately there was just
818
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.079
this vision I had and I was like, do you
819
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.039
have a pen in a paper? And she's like yeah, here.
820
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.000
So I start immediately trying to draw out everything that
821
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.199
I can and I showed it to her and she
822
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.079
just kind of looks at me and she goes, just
823
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.800
you wait, just you wait. I was like, okay, you know,
824
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.159
like is that is that there? And she's like just wait.
825
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:28.360
So we go and sure enough, there was an area
826
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.639
that had this sloped It was like it was like
827
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.079
a ramp with railings on both sides, and then like
828
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.440
it was a long hallway with only a couple doors.
829
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.760
But this was the exact area that I had seen
830
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.320
and drew when I was in the kitchen, which was
831
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.360
really cool. Now I have I have a bad habit
832
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:59.920
where I just contend to wander off because like energetic,
833
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.159
I'm drawn to something, right, And so she knew about this,
834
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.159
and we were laughing about it, and she's like, all right,
835
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.400
I'm going to keep my eye on you, right. So
836
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.760
we get in there and they're setting up or whatever,
837
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:12.880
and I asked somebody, I said, is it okay to
838
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.159
just go and look around? And they're like, yeah, you
839
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.360
guys have the run of the place. So boom, of
840
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:22.800
course I'm gone. I disappear into the depths of the building.
841
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.039
It was a It was at Fairfield, by the way,
842
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.639
and so here I am in the basement and I'm
843
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.840
feeling a little unnerved and there's this like this corkboard
844
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.079
and there's this music on it, and so I was
845
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.159
reading it and I was trying to hum, you know,
846
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.480
the notes on the on the on the sheet music,
847
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.800
and humming was making me feel better. And then I
848
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.039
was also thinking, well, what did they do back then?
849
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.519
You know, maybe they played cards, maybe they sang, you
850
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.159
know whatever. So I'm so I'm humming to myself or whatever.
851
00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:00.800
And then sure, enough there's this hand like it just
852
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.679
like I could feel it right here, just touch, you know,
853
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.000
into my hair on my head. So of course I
854
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.079
run all the way up several flights of stairs and
855
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.199
I come into everybody and I'm just like out of
856
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.320
breath and they're looking at me, and I'm just so pale,
857
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.559
you know, and she's like, you wandered off, didn't you.
858
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.920
I was like yeah, hoops and so so yeah. But
859
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.960
I mean, it was it was quite the night. It was.
860
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.039
It was amazing. And I went to another place that
861
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:41.480
was it was so abandoned, like they didn't do normal
862
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.079
like ghost hunts there, and it was an old nursing
863
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.679
home and there was a lot of energy there. But
864
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.360
I think the most incredible experience that I had was
865
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.440
I went to Lept Castle in Ireland and I stayed
866
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.679
in the bloody chapel completely alone as the sun was setting.
867
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.360
And I actually wrote some of my second book as
868
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:07.400
I was sitting there, just feeling the energy and stuff. Now,
869
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.360
a lot of people will report an elemental and a
870
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.800
lot of people have captured photos of this like really
871
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:19.360
dark mist that doesn't make sense, like it's not the lighting,
872
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.239
it's and they physically couldn't see that it was there,
873
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.960
but I'm telling you, I felt nothing but peace. It
874
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:34.079
was absolutely incredible. I'll never forget it, and I am
875
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.199
also it kind of changed things for me. It just
876
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.760
kind of made me go, yeah, you know, put me,
877
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:46.480
put me in the world's most haunted locations alone. Really Yeah, yeah,
878
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:50.639
I have. I have zero fear or worries about going
879
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.039
into these places now, after that experience and after some
880
00:53:54.079 --> 00:54:02.280
of the things that I've learned psychology wise, Yeah, I
881
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:03.159
think I could do it.
882
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:09.199
That's well, Natalie goes out big footing by herself. So
883
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:10.639
I was gonna ask if you could do it, but
884
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:16.039
I think I know the answer to that one.
885
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.519
Yeah. So my experience with Heather on that one, you know,
886
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.920
I felt, you know, because we were ghost hunting and
887
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.000
then we decide, oll I decided, oh, let's go out
888
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.239
in the woods and ghost hunt and see what happens. Right,
889
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.840
And I was the one standing there and I saw
890
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.559
this shadow on this tree. Now, let me tell you, Okay,
891
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.519
I know about something called night myopia. So this is
892
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.400
where eyes, you know, they become temporarily near sighted. It's
893
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.159
really hard to see at night, and the way that
894
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.880
our brains work. They want so bad to fill in
895
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.199
the puzzle pieces. They want to create a story. So
896
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.639
here's this thing that look psycho sas squatch. It's arm
897
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.039
is around the tree, and I'm just sitting there going, okay,
898
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.480
I'm not out here for you, and I'm just thinking
899
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.320
the rain right, and you know, I need glasses and
900
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.719
I didn't have them on, and I'm just like, this
901
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:18.559
is just me, but I'm scared. I'm starting to get
902
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:23.079
really scared. And we heard an open handed smack on
903
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.760
the side of the little, you know vehicle that we
904
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.039
rode in on, and so then I was like, okay,
905
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.480
we have to leave, and we drove out of the
906
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.000
woods we were in the field, and then of course
907
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.000
she decides and I think I already told a story
908
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.039
on here before, but she ended up holding up her
909
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:45.000
phone and she played the Ohio howl and I'm just
910
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.599
looking at her like oh yeah, like no, and so
911
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.280
here it is going off right, And sure enough, the
912
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.960
exact same cadence, the exact same sound comes out of
913
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.960
those woods. And while it's howling, right, you hear this,
914
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:06.079
like I mean, it's just it just rips this tree
915
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.159
out of the ground and smacks it against another tree,
916
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.760
and I'm just like, I'm like, I'm done. I'm done.
917
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.519
I don't need to search anymore. Take me back to
918
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.719
the house. I'm wow. And yeah, I haven't went out
919
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:28.000
big foot ever again. I might. I might with with
920
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:32.079
the people maybe, but I was with Heather and other
921
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.199
people too, and I was still just scared.
922
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:38.920
So yeah, I could understand that, you know, that would
923
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:43.119
scare me not to want to go back, right, I mean, jeez.
924
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.000
And you know the funny thing was, right when you
925
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.119
started to tell that story, I had two monitors here
926
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.880
and I got YouTube on the other monitor it crashed.
927
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:56.119
Oh really Yeah, well I don't know what that means.
928
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.639
But so there's a second part of the story that
929
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:03.920
sometimes I'll go into. Sometimes I wont it depends because
930
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:10.199
it's so long. But when we got back there was
931
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.440
definitely So we did the estues method because why not.
932
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.199
Who knows anything about these things? So we do it.
933
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:21.119
And there was something that came through that was talking
934
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:25.559
to us. And we looked up on the hill and
935
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.360
you could see all of us saw what looked like
936
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.440
a figure an exact you know, it's like the cutout
937
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.440
for all the advertisements, you know, the bigfoot. He steps
938
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:38.599
out and on the Estus method, the person who is
939
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.840
on it, they're facing towards me, but this is up
940
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.800
behind them. They're not facing that way steps out and
941
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.320
the person on the estas method says, see you see me?
942
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.960
And I mean it was just I mean, and then
943
00:57:56.119 --> 00:58:01.719
it talked about it said we were one it's a myth,
944
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:07.039
or we're now we were once something and now we're
945
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.440
a myth. I can't remember it because it's been so long.
946
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:14.199
It was back in twenty twenty one, I ever written
947
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.519
down somewhere, but it was just one of those things
948
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:20.199
where it's like they were we were once worshiped and
949
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:25.280
now we're a myth. Wow wow, which was really powerful.
950
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.880
And so I don't know what to make of all that.
951
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.159
Was it something else? I mean, because what we had
952
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.480
just experienced in the woods was very physical, right, so
953
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.280
flesh and blood, but then all of a sudden, the
954
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:44.000
second half of the experience is now something spiritual.
955
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.760
So you know, I don't know, And it's crazy that
956
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.239
that all that came through. I mean, that's usually you
957
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:58.840
get like one or two words, right, you got wow wow.
958
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:01.440
And I should have wrote this question though.
959
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.960
That's okay, I'm still processing that story.
960
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.960
That's I know. I had a question before that. Oh
961
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.000
so you mentioned doing the the es this method out
962
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:14.519
in the woods, out in the woods, right.
963
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:18.119
Yeah, well we had done that in multiple places, but
964
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.599
this one was that the back back at base camp
965
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.760
pretty much, so we weren't in the thick of the
966
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.679
woods with that session.
967
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.280
Have you ever done the God's Helmet?
968
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:33.360
Oh? Man, I totally would. I've never done it, but
969
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:33.800
I would.
970
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.039
It's incredible. You've done It's incredible. Yeah, I've done it
971
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.880
once and I my grandfather and my father came through
972
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:43.800
on it, and an alien came through on it. But
973
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.920
it was, yeah, do it, do it? Sometimes it was
974
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.880
it was really cool.
975
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.760
Wow. Oh that's amazing. Yeah, very cool.
976
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.119
Uh so you're you won't go back big footing unless
977
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.000
you have the right company.
978
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:02.840
Yeah, I don't want to die.
979
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.079
And she goes out by herself.
980
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.599
Yeah, yeah, I don't recommend it. Don't do kids, don't
981
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:13.840
do that.
982
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.119
Yeah, as I say, not as I do.
983
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:23.440
Yes, right, yeah, and I haven't been so mm hmm,
984
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:24.000
it's fine.
985
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.119
I want to relatively Well, I mean, they got those
986
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:34.239
arcs here is that's a hot spot apparently, and uh,
987
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.199
the l b L isn't too terribly far.
988
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.320
So yeah, interesting, you have opportunities.
989
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:48.840
I do, I do, I do, and I I really
990
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:49.800
need to write questions down.
991
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.920
Yeah you do. That's why the posts are there.
992
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:52.480
I know.
993
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.440
That's why we get you post it now.
994
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.239
I say, I have a notebook, but I wrote I
995
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:58.039
write things down.
996
01:00:58.320 --> 01:00:58.679
Yeah.
997
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.800
So and when we go to this conference next month,
998
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.599
I have a whole thing of post it notes just
999
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.880
bought for him, and then Mickey bought some more and
1000
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.440
then we have, you know, the glitter pens for him
1001
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.840
so he doesn't forget things, because he seems to forget
1002
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:18.559
things a little bit.
1003
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.440
Yeah. I had a friend. It was April Fools and
1004
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.840
this was back gosh okay. I think I had to
1005
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:28.760
have been eighteen, seventeen or eighteen, and I called my
1006
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.039
friend's mom and I said, hey, can you go unlock
1007
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.559
her car? And she's like all right, And she went
1008
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.760
and unlocked her car really early in the morning before
1009
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.599
she was going to go to work. And man, I
1010
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:46.960
filled that thing with balloons and post it notes every area.
1011
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:48.639
Oh man, it was great.
1012
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:50.559
That's awesome.
1013
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.199
That's the kind of pranks I like because that's memorable.
1014
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:56.159
What's fun yeah, exactly.
1015
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.000
Yeah, and I'll wear pink post it notes. I'll wear
1016
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.239
a pink teach shirt, not the glitter pens.
1017
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:06.840
What if it's like a cool black or blue with glitter,
1018
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:08.400
you could you could rock that?
1019
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.920
I read I would, I would do that, But knowing
1020
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.280
these people, it's not going to be that color. It's
1021
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.519
going to be a pink glitter pen.
1022
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.920
I was thinking's silver, but okay, I'll match my hair.
1023
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:26.679
Yeah, I need to stop doing this because I'm giving ideas.
1024
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.519
You'll get black and silver to match your hair.
1025
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:39.239
There you go. Anyway back to the show. What about UFOs?
1026
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.079
Have you witnessed anything?
1027
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:42.400
Have you?
1028
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:43.440
Yeah?
1029
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.039
What kind of research have you done with that?
1030
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:48.119
So it was really interesting when I was growing up
1031
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.239
as a kid. Uh the oh gosh, what's it called?
1032
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.559
So the light pollution? Of course, there's a scale and
1033
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.559
I cannot remember what the scale is, but it was
1034
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:02.760
very dark, and so being able to see the stars
1035
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:11.079
was absolutely incredible. My dad and again this is I mean,
1036
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:16.519
I had to have been six. I said yeah, And
1037
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:20.360
I was like, so, how do you tell the difference
1038
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.559
between a UFO and an airplane? He says, Oh, it's
1039
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:26.159
it's easy, you know, And so he showed me what
1040
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.599
a satellite looked like, what a UFO would look like,
1041
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.920
an airplane, helicopter, you know, all these different things. And
1042
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.440
I remember looking out my bedroom window and there was
1043
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:40.000
this one. There were there, I mean, there were several,
1044
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:42.880
but the ones that stick out the most was there
1045
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.559
was this like it was like a silver white red
1046
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:53.119
kind of you know, just going between them, and then
1047
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.760
it just kind of went back and forth like this,
1048
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:04.119
and then another one and had more colors like the
1049
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.760
just rainbow colors, and this one went kind of like
1050
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.599
it went this way, and then it kind of went
1051
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.239
down this way. But when it got down here, it
1052
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.519
just shot off like it wasn't even there, Like it
1053
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:19.920
was so fast that your brain in your eyes couldn't
1054
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.119
process it. And you're sitting there going did I even
1055
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:26.800
see that? So there was a lot of activity above
1056
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:32.519
our house. And one thing that was really strange is
1057
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:33.960
that when I would get on the phone and I
1058
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.239
would talk to my friends about it, and I would
1059
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.760
try to talk about my dad's military service or aliens
1060
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.000
or UFO, especially if I saw one, I could hear
1061
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:48.639
like a static on the phone and I would get disconnected.
1062
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:53.960
And so then after that if I picked up the
1063
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.280
phone after, you know, i'd hang up and I'd pick
1064
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:58.960
it back up. There was no dial tone, so I
1065
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.039
would try to go to the other phones, and there
1066
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:03.880
was no dial tone. So if I could reach the
1067
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.639
phone in the basement, if I could reach a phone
1068
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.920
that had a dial tone, it would correct it for
1069
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:12.960
the rest of the house. Now, this could have been wiring,
1070
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.440
a wiring issue, but it was specifically only when I
1071
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:23.159
talked to my friends about this particular subject and then
1072
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.320
later research. You know, how can you tell if you
1073
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.840
know a rotary phone, which is what I was using,
1074
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.000
how can you tell if it's tapped? You know the
1075
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:35.280
sounds that it would make. And I heard those sounds,
1076
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:40.079
and so I mean, I don't know what to make
1077
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.239
of it. That's the experience that I hadn't I can't
1078
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.599
say for sure what it was, but I do believe,
1079
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:52.079
or no, rather that I witnessed UFOs because I don't
1080
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:54.559
know of anything else that behaves in such a way.
1081
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.440
I can move. Yeah, now with the phone thing, was
1082
01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.920
your dad in the Air Force at the time?
1083
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.599
No, No, he got out in seventy four, so it
1084
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.800
was after yeah. Yeah, So I was born in eighty six.
1085
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.039
So whatever year that was when I was six. Lord,
1086
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:12.519
I don't man.
1087
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:19.199
Twelve years either, but I think I got it. Did
1088
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:20.480
I get it? Nally? Twelve years?
1089
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:20.760
I think?
1090
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:20.880
So?
1091
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:26.360
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm still shocked eighty six. You
1092
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.079
know I wasn't we were anyway.
1093
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:37.320
I was drunk, Okay, drunk. I was in seventh grader.
1094
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:43.360
That's a topic for a different Joe. All kinds of
1095
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:44.320
things are coming out.
1096
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:44.519
In the shu.
1097
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:48.360
I just keep you guessed and keep you.
1098
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:54.719
Getting Yeah, so what did your dad? What did your
1099
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.320
dad think of the crazy lights and the phone thing?
1100
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:01.679
He didn't didn't say, no, no, this is just.
1101
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:07.639
You know, it's very like, well, yeah, of course, you
1102
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.000
know it's it's kind of like I remember being really
1103
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.119
little and hearing him talk about like I guess it
1104
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:20.519
would be cloud seating or weather control or whatever this is.
1105
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:23.519
And I don't know when those files and different things
1106
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.280
were released, like Project Popeye where they tried to flood
1107
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.280
you know, the ho Chumn trail and stuff like that.
1108
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.239
I don't know when that was declassified or when it
1109
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.199
kind of became more mainstream about talking about that kind
1110
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.840
of stuff, But I remember hearing about it from him
1111
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.119
as a kid, and then all of a sudden, like
1112
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.239
when I would talk about it, they were just kind
1113
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:45.800
of like, no, that that doesn't happen or whatever. And
1114
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.679
then as an adult then I heard all this stuff
1115
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:50.679
come out about it, and it was like, oh, okay,
1116
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:52.239
well he talked to me about that when I was
1117
01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:58.280
a kid, So maybe, you know, if that was true,
1118
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:02.400
then what else could be true that he's you.
1119
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.960
Know, you know, I'm sure there's so much more that
1120
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:12.320
different agencies know that, you know, we're not ever going
1121
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:16.279
to find out. Yeah, you know, I would love to
1122
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.079
know what's going on in Area fifty one. I would
1123
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.640
love to know what's going on in mountain ranges around
1124
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:28.680
the world or whatever. I mean, there's got to be
1125
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:33.960
something here, you know.
1126
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:38.920
Yeah. He believed that they that Mount Gosh, I'm pulling
1127
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:50.399
up the one in California, Shasta Shasta, that they come
1128
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.520
from within there. He took a trip there one time
1129
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:56.880
with some people from healing group, and he said that
1130
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:01.119
the energy from it was just electric in the air
1131
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:08.199
and that you could hear like craftlike sounds around that area.
1132
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:12.920
So in his beliefs, he thinks that they're not just
1133
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:17.199
from out there, but they're also within Earth.
1134
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.800
I believe that, And you know from hearing stories of
1135
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.279
of from other people with things coming out of volcanoes
1136
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:31.039
or out of the mountain side. You hell, just watching
1137
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.720
Skinwalker Ranch seeing things come in and out of the
1138
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.319
mesa on there. Yeah, and in and out of the
1139
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:41.920
ocean too. I mean, there's you know, it would hard,
1140
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.159
it would be hard for me to say no, there's
1141
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:45.079
nothing here.
1142
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.239
There has yeah, because I mean the ocean is so
1143
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.119
incredibly deep, and you know that would be the perfect
1144
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.760
place to hide because nobody's there.
1145
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.479
Yeah that's true.
1146
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:03.560
Yeah, yeah, but still I would love to explore that
1147
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.000
and maybe not necessarily go that deep in the ocean,
1148
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.479
but you know, explore more of the woods, more of
1149
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:12.520
the mountain top of it. I wonder even how you
1150
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.680
would get into the mountains to figure that out. I
1151
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:23.760
don't know, I don't know anyway where else you want
1152
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:23.920
to go?
1153
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.479
Oh my gosh, we could go anywhere. I mean, you know,
1154
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.520
there's all kinds of topics that.
1155
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:37.159
I'm oh, yeah, yeah. Have you ever experienced any other
1156
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:40.079
cryptids other than what you saw that night?
1157
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:44.520
So I have? Did I ever show you that picture
1158
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.399
the last time that I was on with the alien
1159
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:50.239
thing in the window.
1160
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:57.319
I don't remember that, Okay, I don't.
1161
01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:58.800
Know if I could send it to you so you
1162
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:00.720
could show people really quick. I'm not sure if my
1163
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:01.600
computer will let me.
1164
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:03.439
But so.
1165
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.840
One one night I was I had just gotten to
1166
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:10.640
be a writer for the apartment complex that I was
1167
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:18.720
working at or living at, and they they accepted my article,
1168
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:20.680
which I absolutely loved and it was so much fun,
1169
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:23.960
and I wanted to really try to do something that
1170
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.239
would you know, mean more to the community. So it
1171
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:32.439
was around Earth Hour, you know, days leading up to it,
1172
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.680
and I was out on the patio and I was
1173
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.600
just kind of looking around outside and I was thinking, oh,
1174
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:43.359
my gosh, it would be so beautiful if we could
1175
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.359
see all the stars here, because we're right on the
1176
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:49.880
edge of town. So my mind was in, you know,
1177
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:55.000
conservation and bring you know, bringing the community together and everything.
1178
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.439
When all of a sudden, out of the corner of
1179
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:01.760
my eye, I see this really huge cloud of smoke.
1180
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:11.319
And this cloud of smoke ended up materializing into this humanoid,
1181
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:17.359
this humanoid looking thing, and I watched it walk across
1182
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.319
the road. See, I'm going to send it to your
1183
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:27.279
personal thing here. So I watched this walk across the
1184
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:32.560
road or you know, along the road, and it just
1185
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.159
is so it appears and it's walking, and then it
1186
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:41.880
just ends up disappearing behind this this fence that you know,
1187
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.640
this tree, you know, and and it's like it walked
1188
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.880
through this invisible door. And it was so weird, and
1189
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:51.760
I was I was terrified because here's this thing that's
1190
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.119
like physically walking in front of me. It and it
1191
01:12:55.319 --> 01:13:04.000
walks like we do. It's really tall, and I mean,
1192
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:07.520
it was just freeze mode, no fight or flight, just freeze.
1193
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:11.159
So I get finally I'm able to come out of it,
1194
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:13.800
and I get back into the house and I called
1195
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.359
my sister. Of course, I'm freaking out, and this is
1196
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:21.319
significant because I've experienced so many different things from hauntings
1197
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:27.319
and you know, shadow people and et cetera. But this
1198
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:30.680
had me unhinged. So I'm crying on the phone with her,
1199
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.000
and I get inside, you know, and I close the door,
1200
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:38.279
and she's like, Okay, just slow your breathing down. Go
1201
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:41.920
to each window, close the blinds, and so I do that.
1202
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.359
The very last window was my kid's window, and this
1203
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:48.680
is the window facing where I had just you know,
1204
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.800
seen this. So I have my hand on the blind,
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01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:57.760
and I feel like something staring at me. So then
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01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:01.960
I look up and I see that in the window,
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01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.119
you know, and if you can take a picture. So
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01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:09.359
I'm already on the phone with her. She's on speakerphone,
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01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:12.279
so I, you know, I then, you know, take a picture,
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01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.600
and then I just let go of the blind and
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01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.000
it comes, you know, came right down. And I mean,
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01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:24.079
I still to this day, I'm not afraid to admit it. Okay,
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01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.560
I will have a night light because I'm terrified. I
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01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:31.199
don't like all the different things that I've experienced, and
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01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:36.199
this to defy what we believe are the rules of
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01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:40.640
our reality. Okay, we think we are safe in our
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01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:47.279
homes walking around outside this doesn't care. No, yeah, nowhere
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01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.760
and now it's all of a sudden inside some you know,
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01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:57.840
this other apartment building this so, and it looks exactly
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01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:00.840
the way that it looked walking along on the side.
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01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.079
Of the How how tall was that?
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01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:09.359
You know, I'm terrible at this. So the the the
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01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:14.960
there was a slope and the trees were saplings, but
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01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.119
it was a slope, and so it had to have
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01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:23.239
been because I had somebody else looked at the pictures
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01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:28.159
on Google Maps from where it happened, and and I
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01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:32.640
guess it had to have been like a seven eight
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01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:37.720
foot tall thing. I'm terrible with height and distance of things,
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01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:39.239
but that's what they were saying.
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So I'm I'm assuming right down here where my arrow is,
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01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.479
that's the ground floor.
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01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:51.319
Now that well, that's the top of some bushes. So
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01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:53.960
there was still a little bit, a little bit, so
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01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:59.720
I would say, in the right where the numbers of
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01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:03.239
the like how big the picture is, and below the picture,
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01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:05.840
so in the center of that, yeah, so in the
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01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.319
center between that and the bottom of the picture, that's
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01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:16.239
about where the ground is. Yeah, oh it was. Yeah.
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01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:18.600
I was unhinged for a while after that.
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01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.760
I don't think I would buy this apartment.
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01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:24.800
Yeah. So yeah, so it was outside and then all
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01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:30.880
of a sudden, it's it's inside. Okay, what's to say
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01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:36.039
that it couldn't just materialize right behind me in my apartment.
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01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:40.800
You know? So Barb was asking, if we can explain
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01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.119
this a little bit better. This is the head right, yes,
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01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:49.840
and this here would be the eyes. I need to
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01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.279
get it, I sent.
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01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.640
I have I cropped it in another freaking if I
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01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:02.319
can find it.
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01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:11.079
M you guys see that. Okay, there it's oh yes,
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ritzer insert.
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01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:22.840
I don't know if this one will help. I'll drop
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you another one here really quick.
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01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.720
Okay.
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01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:32.159
So the only changes are that this one is cropped
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and then I and obviously the lighting has changed to
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01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.640
try to be able to see, like see what you're
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01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:43.560
looking at. Okay, I don't know.
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01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.520
Let me let me get that one on here, hang
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on one second place? Uh oh hello, sorry enough.
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01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.199
So my youngest daughter is best friends with Heather's youngest daughter. Oh,
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01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.279
they are on calls every day. So I always laugh
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01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:08.359
and I said, it's it's like we live together.
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01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:15.960
Put her on speakerphone. I love the chat weather that. Yeah,
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01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:22.960
that looks terrifying. It almost looks like a pointed head
1266
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:27.600
mm hmm and almost like a horse shaped face. Weird,
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01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.479
and you could almost kind of see like the neck
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01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:32.560
right where.
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01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.560
It's head's turned. Like yeah, it's like it's kind of
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01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:40.800
like I don't know, you know, good God. It took
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01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.479
me a while to be able to talk about this.
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01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.840
And when I originally took the picture, I sent it
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01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:47.399
to my sister and I said, I don't want it.
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01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.039
I don't want anything to do with it. Maybe one
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01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:52.680
day when time is passed and I know that I'm
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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:54.399
safe and I know that I'm fine. You can send
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01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:58.199
it back. Perhaps I will, you know, talk about this.
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01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.479
And so quite some time went by and I was like,
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01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.760
all right, I'm ready, and she sent it back to me.
1280
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:07.399
But it was I.
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01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:12.479
Mean, what made you want to talk about it again?
1282
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:20.399
Somebody asked me once on an interview, They said, you've
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01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:24.119
been through so much. Do you wish that any of
1284
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.000
it didn't happen? You know, do you regret anything? And
1285
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:31.640
I said no, because I wouldn't be able to help
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01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.760
people the way that I can now. And so I
1287
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:39.880
took that realization and it was like, you know, it's
1288
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.680
from coming forward and talking about these things that we
1289
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.840
advance in our field, and we help people, and that's
1290
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:51.079
where healing comes from. So whether it's talking about this
1291
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:55.479
particular instance or you know, one of the other really
1292
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:58.159
hard things was realizing that one of my experiences was
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01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:03.600
a human inter action trauma, not a parent normal one.
1294
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.279
But my commitment to the field is to always be
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01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:12.640
as transparent as possible and present all my findings, even
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01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:18.159
if that means that it debunks some of my other experiences.
1297
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:22.880
So and maybe if I can be brave and do
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01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:27.359
these things, then maybe you can inspire other people to so.
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01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.600
So we had an interesting turn of events here in Chat.
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01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:36.760
Oh while that picture was up Greg Gogels. So, the
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01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.760
first time I met Greg in chat or in person
1302
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.800
was at Ray County Museum, which is where the conference
1303
01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.039
is going to be. And in case you didn't know
1304
01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.520
about the conference, it's going to be September nine and twentieth. Anyway,
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01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:53.319
he was there and he had the God's Helmet on. Oh,
1306
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:59.399
and he said he saw a gray alien and you know,
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01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:03.880
he kind of described it, and then that's what I
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01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:04.560
saw in Missouri.
1309
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:04.920
Wow.
1310
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:09.920
Wow, I saw that when I used the God's helmet
1311
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:11.239
in Missouri. Sure did.
1312
01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:12.439
Wow.
1313
01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:22.720
Wow. Again, this is a perfect example of maybe being therapeutic.
1314
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:27.920
And you know, maybe maybe you don't think your encounter
1315
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:31.640
was an important encounter for you, but someone in chat
1316
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:35.079
might feel completely different and might reach out to you.
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01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.760
I mean, that's right. That's what I love about doing this,
1318
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.600
And that's what I love about having people with great
1319
01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:44.359
experiences like that who aren't afraid to show it and
1320
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.079
talk about it and and and help other people with that.
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01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:50.760
That's yeah, I love that. I love what just happened there.
1322
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:54.039
Yeah, No, that's that's amazing because I know a lot
1323
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:56.840
of other people when they've had experiences, they kind of
1324
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.920
say that it's it seems to be that any kind
1325
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:02.800
of of a gray alien has that rounded head where
1326
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:07.520
this has like a this kind of pointsy weird thing
1327
01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:11.840
going on. And so I haven't heard of or seen
1328
01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:15.840
really reports that have a head shaped that way or
1329
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.600
other people going no, I saw that exact head too.
1330
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.600
So that's that's you know, that's significant, and I appreciate
1331
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:24.640
the comment for sure.
1332
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:30.760
Mister Moyst does it again. Thank you, Greg, well done.
1333
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.000
But you know, you never know what could happen when
1334
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:40.239
you look up or if you try something different. I
1335
01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.760
mean he did he figured that out because he did
1336
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.760
the gods Helmet the one time. Wow, you never know
1337
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.399
what you're going to see when you do this. So
1338
01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:57.640
what do you see yourself doing next in the next
1339
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.159
you know, I know you're talking about you and kind
1340
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:04.319
of going camping and you're going down to another conference.
1341
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:12.720
But as far as investigations go, ghost investigations, bigfoot, whatever,
1342
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.960
what do you think is next on your list?
1343
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:21.479
You know, I would love how do I put this?
1344
01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:26.000
I think that it would be really interesting to start
1345
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:37.960
interviewing people who have had really outstanding experiences and to
1346
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.199
be able to take the experiences and learn, you know,
1347
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:45.159
not just learn from them, but also to see things
1348
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:52.039
under a more psychological lens as well. I don't want
1349
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.279
anybody to feel like I would be judging them or
1350
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:59.359
anything like that, not at all. But if we can
1351
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:04.479
take cases and then filter them through a psychological lens
1352
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:09.159
to see if there's you know, are there correlations, Is
1353
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:13.600
there something that's more psychological than paranormal? Is there? You know?
1354
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.079
And I'm not sure how to bridge that gap. I'm
1355
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.359
not sure how to go down that path. But that's
1356
01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:22.560
really what I would like to start doing. So that
1357
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:25.680
would be you know, that's that's my path that I
1358
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:27.479
would like to take, is to look at that and
1359
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:31.560
of course really start you know, practicing more, having the
1360
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:34.600
private sessions and being able to do because I missed,
1361
01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:38.359
I missed doing my readings, I made my runs by hand,
1362
01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:42.560
and I just I love being connected to spirit and
1363
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:45.800
doing the reiki and everything. So those are those are
1364
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.000
my two darlings that I would love to dance around
1365
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:49.560
with more.
1366
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:54.880
So now as you go with the psychological aspect of
1367
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.119
the paranormal and you get into your research and you
1368
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.079
have your findings and stuff, are you going to be
1369
01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:04.199
putting them on your website or where would we be
1370
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.199
able to find them? Because I find this stuff very fascinating,
1371
01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:09.199
very so.
1372
01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:11.319
I have my blogs, so I'm trying to have my
1373
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:14.359
blogs integrated to my website. So I have a medium
1374
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:17.279
and I have a substack, and so I'm really trying
1375
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:21.439
to upkeep those and I'm going to have one that's
1376
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.279
going to be more spiritually aligned for my spiritual practices
1377
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:30.159
and different things, and then the other one from my psychology.
1378
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:34.439
And so if I can figure out how to integrate
1379
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:37.079
them so it updates it, then that's where you can.
1380
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:39.319
It'll be your one stop shop. But for right now,
1381
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.680
I think it's an Seline on both substack and medium.
1382
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:49.479
Okay, awesome. We have about two and a half minutes
1383
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:52.239
left until BMR starts at the top of the hour.
1384
01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:58.159
This has been absolutely fantastic. I love talking to you,
1385
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:02.800
and it's just it's just so much fun listening to you,
1386
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.399
and I really appreciate you coming on here tonight.
1387
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.399
Well, it was wonderful fun. Thank you so much. You know,
1388
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:12.199
I'd love to come on anytime. It was so great
1389
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.199
to talk with you guys, hang out for a while.
1390
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.840
Yeah, you guys, I mean soon again, since you decided
1391
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:19.239
you're not going to come to the conference.
1392
01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:21.720
So we'll thank you.
1393
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.920
And you know, one thing I learned from tonight, I
1394
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.399
need new friends because they would never fly me anywhere.
1395
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:38.960
Oh are you going to start flying around and travel
1396
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.279
and everything? And yeah, we'll meet one day in person.
1397
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.239
Yeah, we will one of these conferences that we're at.
1398
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:49.640
And I need to go east more to these conferences,
1399
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:52.319
so we will do that. Definitely, come to the dark.
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01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:54.199
Side, come on.
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01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.680
You know, I'm scared to cross the Mississippi. Illinois is
1402
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:09.600
a scared replace. My apologies to anybody that's listening. Nice anyway,
1403
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:14.640
Thank you so much, Lady Anne. All the links to
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01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.560
find find you are in the show notes. Pam's been
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01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:20.720
putting them in here, so guys, everybody go out and
1406
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.399
check that. And you know, I just have a feeling
1407
01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.760
that you're going to be getting into podcasting in the
1408
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:27.079
near future. I love that.
1409
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.119
We'll see it's a lot of work editing. You know,
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01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:34.920
I had the caravan from twenty fifteen, I mean until
1411
01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:38.359
a couple of years ago. I do miss it. It
1412
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.560
was a lot of fun. And I've talked to Ron
1413
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.720
Murphy a lot about being my co host, so we
1414
01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:44.359
shall see.
1415
01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:48.600
That would be an awesome show you two doing that,
1416
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:50.600
That would be fantastic. I would do it for it,
1417
01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.199
you know, keep We'll keep you posted if you guys
1418
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.319
do that. So, speaking of Ron Murphy, he is on
1419
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:02.279
with BMR here and eight o'clock hour, and you know
1420
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.479
one day, you know, we talked about this earlier this
1421
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:06.600
week that we need to have you two on together.
1422
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.960
That would be would be an incredible show, a lot
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01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:09.359
of fun.
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01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:13.319
All right, guys, thank you all for watching here real quick.
1425
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:18.760
Thank all of the people here. Shelley Montgomery for becoming
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01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.920
a member. Thank you Mickey for being a member for
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01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:25.680
three months. Thank you very much, Sparky for gifting five
1428
01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.159
Moon at Noon for becoming a member and then turning
1429
01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:33.399
around giving a two dollars donation. Appreciate you, two Shadows,
1430
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.319
Thank you for the five Moon at Noon for gifting
1431
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:39.520
one membership to two Shadows I believe, and Mickey g
1432
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:43.359
again for five dollars. So I appreciate you guys very much.
1433
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:48.720
This next Saturday, I don't have a guest planned. We
1434
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.720
are just going to have a fun show, and I'll
1435
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:54.079
explain all that here a little bit later on. So
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01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.600
everybody have a great week. I thank you all for
1437
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:00.000
coming in here, lady, and thank you so much.
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01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:00.399
Thank you.
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01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.119
I appreciate Natalie. Thank you. Have a great week and
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01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:04.960
we will see you all next time.
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