#72 - Accelerating Recovery and Performance: Insights into Elite Athlete Care, Part 3

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Hi guys, Welcome to another episode
of The Factor podcast. I'm your host,
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Jessica Riddle. If this is your
first time tuning in, welcome and
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thank you for listening. Today we
complete our three part in depth interview with
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doctor Todd Riddle and Roger Fleming,
where we've discussed what it takes to treat
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athletes at the highest level of performance. Our conversation has covered a variety of
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topics, from professional development and growth, to the importance of inter professional collaboration
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on a sportsmed team and making sideline
care available for athletes at all levels.
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Today, in this final segment,
as we wrap up our conversation, I
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get to ask some of the more
juicy questions to give you, my dear
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listener, a peek behind the curtain
into what it's like to go on the
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road with the national athletic teams such
as USA Gymnastics and USA Racketball, which
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both providers have experience with. We
talk about everything from the treatment devices and
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tools they never leave home without,
to dispelling common misconceptions about what it is
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they do as a member of an
elite sports med team. Then we end
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the discussion with their best words of
advice for students or young practitioners just starting
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out. Personally, I've had a
ton of fun with this interview style format,
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and I hope that you all have
as well. We will definitely be
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sure to sprinkle in some of these
interesting and thought provoking episodes in the future.
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Without further ado, let's cue the
intro music and dive in to today's
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episode. The main theme that I've
heard from both of you throughout this discussion
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has been about trust, and it's
about really trusting the people that are to
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either side of you treating those athletes, whether it's on the field of play
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or at a competition or in between. I know that, and again with
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some of these national teams, there
is a proving ground and there is a
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time where you have to volunteer your
services. You have to earn it,
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so to speak. But then when
you do develop that trust relationship with the
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other healthcare providers, you then have
that credibility to make those recommendations for others
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to come into the organization when that
opportunity presents itself or it's warranted. Talk
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to me a little bit about the
type of healthcare providers that are on sports
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medicine teams at this level. How
many different professions are represented, and if
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you could give kind of a brief
overview of the different lanes so to speak,
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that each of you operate within at
an event, but then also in
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between these these major competitions. I
made a post about this on social media
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about a month ago as I was
returning back from World Championships, about how
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blessed I felt to work alongside Doctor
of Osteopathy, two athletic trainers. One
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was a dual credentialed ATPT. We
had a sports psychologist there and then obviously
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myself there representing sports chiropractic. And
though each one of us had our lanes,
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we were all driving in the same
direction on the same freeway. So
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while our lanes were separate and distinct, sometimes we crossed over and switched lanes
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as appropriate in order to help each
other out. So sometimes I was the
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one that had to provide physical therapy
even though a physical therapist was there.
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The doctor of Osteopathy does very well
assessment and joint manipulation, so when I
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was covered up or she was the
better one to do it, then she
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was the one to do it.
So even though we have our distinct lanes,
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when you work as a cohesive team
and you understand the strengths of the
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people that you're there with, it's
much easier to make decisions about who an
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athlete should see at that particular instance. And it's very fluid and it's very
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different with each in every event,
at least the ones that I've been working
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alongside with Roger, so I can't
say that it's the exact same and every
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single one. When Roger and I
worked Team Camp in France, there were
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two athletic trainers in a sports chiropractor
along with another sports psychologist, so we
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didn't have a medical doctor there per
se to kind of oversee all of the
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decisions. It was left to the
professionals that were there to make the decisions
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on athlete health. So it's a
little bit different every single time, and
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again that's based on resources really more
than anything else. It's not that the
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priority for the athlete's health isn't the
highest, but sometimes resources and experience kind
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of helped to dictate how a particular
event gets staffed. And I think that
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goes back to what we were trying
to say earlier. Many schools that don't
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have sideline care or feel to play
care, it really just comes down to
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resources. The priority wasn't there to
keep the resources in the right place,
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or if they had to choose between
putting the athletes in proper sporting equipment or
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having someone on the field of play, obviously they're going to choose the sporting
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equipment because then the sport doesn't happen. So it's a little bit different with
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each and every one, and I
think that's why it's important to understand the
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sport you're going into, so that
you have one and understanding of the athletes
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and the sport, but two the
providers that you're going to be working with
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well. And I recall early days
when you began working with USA Gymnastics,
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there were purposeful conversations that you had
with the other members of the sports medicine
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team where you approached the conversation from
a standpoint of I'm here to serve,
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let's let me know where my contribution
needs to be and obviously scopes of practice
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amongst professions. But I think it
was very important looking back that you were
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intentional about letting people know on that
team that you're all on the same page,
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you're all there to serve, and
that you're willing and open to taking
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direction or to having open communication about
specifically what your role is there as part
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of that team for sure, and
sports chiropractors are working very hard to gain
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the cultural authority within sports medicine to
be a part of the team. So
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for me, it was very important
that the folks that I was going to
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work with understood that I know I'm
a part of the team and that I'm
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not going to be there to take
over or circumvent. That I know where
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I am in the pecking order,
and I just want them to make it
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clear to me what their expectations are
of me. It's like any job interview.
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You want to know what the job
is going to be in, what
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the expectations are, and if everybody
is clear about what your role is there
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at least when you get started.
Roles will adapt. When you get on
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a team, they want you to
do one thing first, but then as
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they see your skill set and your
level of professionalism and knowledge, they may
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ask you to take on more roles. But you have to start somewhere,
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and I think establishing what your role
is is the key to one getting on
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a team, the sports med team, but then also staying on that team,
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I can definitely see where that would
be the case. And Roger,
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with you having two credentials and being
that dual credential provider, your scope of
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practice is a bit larger than most. Tell me a little bit about how
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beneficial it's been for you to have
the ability to wear both ATC hat when
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needed, but then also the LMT
hat and how that has influenced your role
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in serving on these sports med teams. Right, So, being dual credentialed
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allow affords me the opportunity to fit
in, to get in where I can
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fit in, and when someone needs
the acute care, I can throw the
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AT hat on, when someone needs
the salt tissue work, I can throw
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the LMT hat on. And when
we go back to resources, it makes
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things more marketable, more resourceful by
bringing someone who like myself, can wear
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both hats and can morph into one
or the other with whatever's needed at the
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time. And that has been Being
an LMT has made me a better AT,
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and being an AT has made me
a better LT. So the services
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under those umbrellas, I'm able to
provide those services at a much higher level
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of competency in confidence then for se
In my opinion, if I was just
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one of them one or the other. Because I can understand, like we're
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talking about the lanes, I can
understand both lanes, and I can know
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how I need to shift lanes or
stay in this lane to go based on
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what's going on in the environment around
me. So that's how I've utilized both
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of those those omissions well. And
recently, I know that you both were
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speaking about your trip to World Championships, first of course in France at team
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prep and then going on to compete
in the UK. Tell me a little
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bit about that experience and how it
differs from some of the sporting events that
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you guys have done here in the
US. Obviously, when you have a
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travel component to a foreign country,
especially when you're in a foreign country doesn't
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speak your native tongue, I'm sure
there's a little bit of some transition that
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happens there. But then beyond that, when you're traveling with athletes so far
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away from home, how did that
impact some of what you were able to
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do with them from a preparation for
competition standpoint. This was my first international
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event. I know Rogers has worked
a couple so he'll be able to speak
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to his experience with it. But
this is why I should say this.
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This is my first international event with
Team USA. I've worked other ones before
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and it's always a little bit of
a different challenge, and this one we
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were very well resourced. A lot
of the sports medicine things that we need
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were in place. So many times, what you're worrying about is, let's
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say, the jet lag. When
we landed in France, we literally unpacked
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and then headed over to the venue
to go start training. And at that
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point you're trying to make sure that
all of the athletes have at least it's
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been fed and hydrated and are in
a place where they're going to compete or
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not compete, but rather train in
a way that both going to be useful
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but also not harm themselves. So
we drug over everything that we needed from
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a sports med standpoint. I oh, Roger brought some of his things along
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with him. I brought a bag
of my toys along with me, my
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treatment tools, so to speak.
And then Carley, who was the point
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person for US for USAG, brought
over two kits of which we were using
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both for treatment but also for recovery. So it's a little bit different each
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and every single time. But yeah, we travel with everything we need and
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if there's something that we need,
we try to source it there in country.
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If we can't get it, we
have to figure out how to work
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around it. Yeah, Roger,
what are some of your favorite things that
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you had packed in your treatment toolkit? Well, my go to is my
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My favorite modality is my PMF guided
PMF machine plus that we can go down
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rabbit hole of that. But that
is like one of my go to because
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it can address so many different issues
from recovery to injury. It's a hands
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on application PMF modality which is Pulst
electromagnetic frequency. But that was my one
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of my that was my number one
go to. And then honestly this is
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gonna sound like, you know whatever, but my hands, my hands and
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with our group that we took to
France, we we we were before we
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went, we just determined who had
what, who was going to be able
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to bring what equipment and therefore we
had it as comprehensive as we could as
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far as resources being allowed us to
travel with. So it didn't like when
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I went to the Pan Am Games, just before I went to France.
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Done in Chile, I carried everything
and I had to be in contact with
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USOBC for their team USA Sports Medicine
Clinic to make sure that they had things
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so I wouldn't have to bring.
So communication with that is critical as far
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as whether we're going to bring cups
instrument assistant, soft tissue equipment, to
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new compression therapy, to different things
of the dynamic tape, the Electronics Plus
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to the mark pros, to the
variety of equipment that we use for treatment,
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and we try to bring what's going
to translate from recovery as well as
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treatment. That when you're talking about
bringing the equipment, it's collectively between what
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the group decides on what's going to
be best care for the athletes. Well,
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my go to is definitely my Electrons
Plus and it's an exciting piece of
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equipment and in my hands, and
of course there is the soft tissue work
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and stretching. Yeah, and of
course those hands go with you everywhere you
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go. So fortunately that's your favorite
piece of equipment and you always have it
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with you. So it sounds like
then communication has been a key theme throughout
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all of this. When you're working
at this level with a team of sports
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medicine providers, there has to be
a high level of communication. Talk to
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me a little bit about how you
all communicate with the other members of sports
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med in between events. Clearly,
not all of these athletes see you all
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in clinical practice regularly. You don't
all live in the same place. You're
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pretty scattered around the US. How
do you communicate with the other members of
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the sports med team to continue to
care for these athletes in between competition?
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But then how do you also communicate
with those athletes to make sure that they're
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doing what they need to be doing
in between events. That's different from MGB
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TOGB national governing bodies. With USA
Gymnastics, there are point people that are
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the liaisons between the athletes and sports
medicine. So that's not necessarily my role
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I foresee. It probably could be
in the future, but there are point
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people that work with the athletes and
their respective sports medicine staff at the places
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that they live that take that on. When you are the point person because
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you're working with a maybe a smaller
association and I'm not even talking for necessarily
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USA. Maybe you're working with a
soccer team and you are the sports med
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for the soccer team, but you
also have to help manage the treatment for
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those athletes. Then it becomes important
that you have the you're allowed to contact
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the sports med on behalf of the
athlete. Usually it's just kind of understood,
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but you do need to have those
those responsibilities and those recognitions in place
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in order to do that. But
it's it's a little bit different depending upon
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the circumstance that you're working in.
Roger, would you say that's the same
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experience that you've had working with the
national teams. Absolutely, and with me
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being involved with the I'm the medical
provider for hired. I'm hired to provide
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to be their medical provider. I
don't. I just want to be clear,
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I'm not. I don't work for
USA Raquetball. They hire me as
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an independent medical provider for them.
So following up and communicating with the athletes
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are mandatory. But we do communicate
along the year to make sure that everyone's
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doing okay and what's going on in
there their training aspects or life in general,
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and text email, phone calls,
and then sometimes athletes are traveling internationally,
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so there's a couple of different apps
that we use to communicate with them,
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and then there's there's different programs that
we can like the electronic health records
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and such that we can communicate through
the service providers as well set up to
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Now back to the show Wonderful.
Now let's shift a little bit to
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the treatment room, specifically in those
treatment encounters, having now both of you
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having a lot of experience in treating
amateur athletes and even recreational athletes in practice,
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but then also now having treated athletes
that are at the peak of their
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career. They're at an elite level
of performance with a lot of pressure on
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their shoulders to compete well, both
primarily self imposed, but then also the
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entire country might be looking to them. What have you found is different in
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those treatment encounters in terms of how
they respond to your recommendations, how they
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listen, how they have a knowledge
of their body, or even how they
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communicate with you about what's going on. What's different about treating athletes at that
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elite level versus the amateur and the
recreational athletes that you see in practice,
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taking all components of time aside,
just in terms of how that interaction goes
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and how they communicate, and then
how receptive they are to the care that
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you're providing. At the elite level, no one knows the athlete better than
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themselves, so they're very in tune
with their body and likely at that level
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have experienced a lot of sports medicine, so they're familiar with me any treatments.
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They're familiar with the ones that they
respond really well to, and they're
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familiar with the ones they don't respond
well to or don't like. And I
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think that's incredibly important as part of
being an advocate for an athlete is recognizing
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the things that they say need.
If an athlete says, hey, I
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really like this, but I don't
like again needling. Some athletes love it.
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Some athletes absolutely hate it. And
if I want to do needling and
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they say Nope, I don't want
to do that it makes me sore,
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or can we wait until afterwards,
then yes, absolutely, So you always
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have to take into account what they
want. It's a conversation. Sometimes they
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don't understand or have a full grasp
on what they need, so you have
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to educate in a way that helps
them to make the decision about what kind
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of care they want to receive.
So it's not to say that my opinion
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supersedes their own, but when you're
treating an elite athlete and you, as
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the healthcare provider, do something that
creates an adverse response and they don't perform
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well or can't perform at all,
your time on that team is going to
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be very very short. So to
me, it's very much a conversation,
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and they make it easier again by
being so in tune with themselves as to
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provide some information about how they think
they're going to respond to something and then
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you have to use your own clinical
insight about what comes next. Many athletes
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are capable of getting treatment multiple times
a day, and they want to come
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in for the exact same thing that
they were provided earlier in that day,
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and sometimes, as the clinician,
you have to say, look, we
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already did that earlier. I don't
think it's a good idea that we provide
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that same treatment. Let's do something
else now. Maybe it's putting on a
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little bit of electrical stimulation to get
some blood flow going. Perhaps it's wearing
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one of the recovery compression devices.
Perhaps it's working with in instances Roger to
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get a little bit of soft tissue
work done. We're always looking for the
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thing that suits the athlete best at
that point, and it's got to be
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a conversation with that athlete at that
time. At the elite level, it's
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it's very different with the amateurs because
perhaps they haven't had that level of sports
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medicine exposure. So that's when the
clinician really needs to educate about what they
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think is going to be best at
that time. Roger, would you say
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that's been your safe experience, Yes, the elite level is. I mean
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both sides is communication. If you
listen to the athlete, whether it's elite
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or amateur, they'll tell you what
they're looking for, even if they don't
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know what they're looking for. I
know that's kind of conmolluded there, but
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amateurs don't always know, like they're
they're unsure. So there you you kind
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of go heavier on the educational aspect
so that they can be informed and they
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can understand where your your thought process
is for them. So again it circles
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back to them trusting you. But
on the elite they've got to they've got
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to trust you. But the listening
to what they're telling you, and then
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you were advising them and basically being
a facilitator so that they can one be
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physically at peace and mentally at piece
that Okay, we're doing everything we're supposed
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to be. This is I don't
have. This is one one box that
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gets checked off that I am able
to exhale and move on. And yeah,
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communication and both verbal and auditory listening
listening to the athletes is critical.
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If but that is definitely what I've
seen. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And if you were to be given
an option of if there was one thing
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that you wish your amateur athletes,
your weekend warriors, your active patients that
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come into your practice, if there
was one thing that you wish that they
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could take kind of a page out
of the way that elite athletes do things.
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If there was one thing that you
wish they did a little bit differently
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or approached differently more like those elite
athletes, what would it be? And
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obviously performance aside, not everyone can
be an Olympian, for sure, But
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how do you wish your everyday patients
approached your treatment differently and more like your
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elite athletes do. That's a twofold
thing for me. I don't think many
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people understand the level of commitment and
work that goes into competing at that level.
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We can all say we do,
but unless you've seen it firsthand.
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You've seen the sweat, you've seen
the broken bones, you've seen the torn
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things, it's really hard to wrap
your mind around the level of commitment it
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takes to climb back up out of
that injury hole and keep going. That
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being said, that kind of leads
into my second thing was these elite athletes,
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for the most part, and I
don't want to say it's one hundred
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percent but I would say it's a
very high percentage. Also, take their
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health and their sports medicine very seriously. So if they have an appointment,
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they're going to be at that appointment. If they're told to do something during
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or after that appointment, the majority
of the time, they're going to do
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that thing. Again, it's not
all the way across the board, but
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I would also say there are stratification
of elite athletes. The ones that have
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made it to that level but won't
follow directions, don't make it to the
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top of the top. So the
things that I wish my amateur athletes would
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do is recognize the amount of time
it takes to get to that level.
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You're not just going to sit around
and watch it happen. And then when
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you have responsibility and caring for yourself, that you take that responsibility upon yourself
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and get that work done. Absolutely, it's commitment, commitment to what the
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task is at hand. They plan, commitment of recovery treatments. Yeah,
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God, once again, you hit
that hit. You hit the nail on
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the head with that. The elite
athletes, you tell them, they take
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great pride in nutrition. They listen, they value all of it. Nutrition,
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They sleep, they get their rest, they do everything they can to
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maximize their opportunity for the next day, our opportunity in that moment. That's
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that's what I would love the amateur
athletes to be able that. It's they
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elite athletes hate getting into a cold
tub or a cryo chamber, but they'll
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do it. They'll do it because
they recognize and value the benefits of these
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things that we're telling them and asking
them to do and recommending that they do.
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AMDRA athletes they're like, I'm not
doing that today, or I've got
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to do X, Y and Z
before I do any recovery or treatment.
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I've got got this that's going up. I've got to go to dinner with
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doing this or doing that. And
I'm not saying starving themselves by no means,
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but the placement, commitment and prioritizing
to what they put into becoming an
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elite athlete. Yeah, it sounds
like they're very much a proactive partner in
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their health. They take the initiative
to do the things that are necessary to
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get to a high level and to
perform at a high level. While we're
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talking about our wishes here and what
we wish was different, or improved.
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What do you wish that coaches better
understood about what you do and then how
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you can contribute to an athlete's help
and performance. Go Roger, I know
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you got some opinions on this.
Coaches trust the sports medicine staff that they
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have the athlete's best interest. Like
Toddy alluded to you earlier, if you
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make mistakes too many mistakes, you're
not going to be a part of that
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staff for very long. And you've
got to earn your earn your place at
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the table. But coaches have got
to allow the sports medicine staff to do
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their jobs and not get in the
way. I had a baseball manager during
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my time. I was talking to
him about how we wanted to handle some
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cases and he looks at me and
he goes, I'm dealing with x's and
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O. You deal with bones and
muscles. And that's kind of the approach
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that I would like for coaches to
be able to do and trust and know
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that what we're trying to do is
once again, so they can optly perform
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and do the things that the coaches
need them to do on a daily basis,
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on an hourly basis. But we
can't just and we have to they
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have to respect both the physical and
mental aspects of that and more is not
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always better, but better is better. And that's that's kind of a short
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version of some of my opinions on
coaches and what I always they would listen
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with us, And I agree with
Roger, and I look at it the
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same way I looked at it when
I was a performance coach, that I'm
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trying to turn an athlete back to
that coach that is going to be better.
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Maybe their performance is improved, but
is also going to be more resilient,
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so they're going to be able to
stand up to the task and the
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wear and tear of their sport.
So, as Rogers said, that trust
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needs to be there between the sports
med staff and the coach. That one,
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we have the health and safety at
the forefront of our mind of that
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athlete, but also we want them
to perform at their highest level, so
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we make decisions based upon their health
and safety, but then also on their
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performance. And again the athlete is
a part of that decision making process too,
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So all of us kind of have
to put our heads together to determine
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what's going to be the best for
that athlete at that time. So,
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as Roger was saying, I think
trust needs to be there. There is
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a lane component, like the coach
needs to stay in their lane. They're
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the coach and most of the time
are not really adept at sports medicine.
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Even though they've been around injuries their
entire career, that doesn't make them qualified
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to determine whether an athletes should go
or not. So again, it's a
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it's a three way conversation the athlete, maybe athlete representative, parents, whoever,
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the coach, and the sports med
staff is to what's going to be
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the best moving forward and provide the
best outcomes well. And I think that's
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a huge testament what both of you
are saying to the level of care that
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you both have taken to continually improve
yourselves and to continue to build your clinical
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skill set and essentially to earn the
right to be able to be members of
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these sports med teams at this level, but at the same time to have
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had the chops to really share your
credibility at a way that is a testament
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to the work that you have done. Neither one of you have taken your
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careers kind of laying back and just
waiting for opportunities to arise. You both
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have it sounds like invested a great
deal of time both in the learned and
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the earn it sides of what it
takes to become a practitioner that can treat
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athletes that are at these high levels. I appreciate so much this discussion today
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because it's been incredibly informative, and
I hope for those of you that are
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listening that are either early on in
practice or are still students, that you
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have really taken a lot of the
advice and wisdom that has come from this
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conversation to heart. These are certainly
great examples here of two different healthcare providers
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in various professions that have been very
intentional about how they've approached their education.
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They've been very intentional about how they
have taken opportunities and taken initiative to do
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the time to do the work to
serve athletes in this way so that they
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can then continue to progress themselves professionally. One of the things that I always
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like to ask at the end of
any interview is to find out a little
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bit more about what you all are
currently doing to progress yourselves, both from
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a professional standpoint, a clinical standpoint, but then also from a business standpoint,
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because you're both entrepreneurs, and then
finally from a personal standpoint. So
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I'll ask this to each of you. Tell me a little bit about anything
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that you're doing currently for your own
personal growth. Now this can be a
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book that you're reading, a podcast
that you're listening to, a specific training
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that you might be going through,
or what are you doing to invest in
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your own personal growth as an individual. That then carries over, of course,
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into what you do when it comes
to treating the various patients that you
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serve well. As a faculty member
at a chiropractic school, I'm kind of
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thrust into the position of having to
stay on top of the latest information.
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So from a professional development standpoint,
I'm trying to take in as much research
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or evidence based information as I can, whether that be through hard copy research
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or listening to a professional podcast that's
related to something that I'm working on.
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I try to take it in.
I like taking it in different formats.
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I find that audiobooks and podcasts are
a very easy way to take an information.
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I like to listen to podcasts oddly
enough, while I'm working out,
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whether that's for a personal development or
it's professional development. I've got several that
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I like to kind of work through. BJSM podcast is a great one.
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The Strength and Conditioning Journal is another
great one. So there's short format things
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that I can kind of work through
various topics. Another one to drive with
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Peter Attia. I like to work
through his stuff. But personally, when
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I kind of get to shut my
brain down, so to speak, I
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enjoy history. So I'm working through
a biography about Winston Churchill right now,
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finished up one about Thomas Edison earlier, another one about Benjamin Franklin. So
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I like learning from I achievers as
part of my it's I know it sounds
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strange, as part of my relaxation
time. So I can't say that I
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truly shut my brain off unless I'm
watching a movie. But yeah, those
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are the things, and I'm always
seeking out good and continuing education. Obviously
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that's the world that I live in
as well. So I'm looking forward next
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year to take in a couple more
dry needling courses. There's a couple of
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assessment courses I want to take,
So yeah, I'm always on the lookout
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and Roger for you. For me, I'm not a huge reader. More
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audio and more podcasts as far as
professional personal growth, I think for me
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goes hand in hand. One of
my latest books that I did read was
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Ego is the Enemy, and it's
it has been just I applied it in
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so many things in the personal life
as well as professional growth. For the
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entrepreneurial attitudes and thought process one has
to maintain or obtain and then maintain and
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just being able to push forward each
day with that. So Ego is the
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Enemy is the book, and I
would highly recommend that for everyone because it
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applies to anyone in every endeavor that
a person may go through, as far
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as my business, professional growth,
any type of self help like bile haacking
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leadership podcast. There's so many that
you listen to them, and I get
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something from everything, so I won't
say that one is like better than the
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other. For me, a lot
of people will just won't listen to them.
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I'm like, pick one and listen
to it. If it resonates with
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you, listen to it. There's
no wrong answer with any of them.
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Just find the area that you're wanting
to listen to and learn about and just
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open it up and jump in.
But the one that's that I'm currently onto
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is called the Ultimate human Airy Breca
a human physiologist, and some fascinating information
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and such, and a lot of
his science behind what he's talking about resonates
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with my philosophical approaches that were as
to what my business stands for and anything
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to do with the nervous system.
I'm all about how can I create fastest,
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safest, most efficient approach to someone
when they're in front of me,
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so that I can treat the person
in the best way possible. As I've
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grown professionally, I feel like there's
I tend to gravitate more to a lot
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of the manual their hands on versus
the different passive white mobilities get into more
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creating system the rehabilitation approach. How
can we incorporate a person not just a
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local aspect, but how do we
create a system for the full person collectively.
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So I don't want to stay holistic
because that people can take a different
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interpretation with that. But I treat
the whole body, mind and mind and
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physical and anything that lends me some
opportunities to learn. That is what I
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go towards. I think that's important
to be the constant student, to be
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curious and constantly trying to learn from
those around you and from the experiences that
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you have afforded you and the opportunities
that present themselves. Finally, one last
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little ques question for each of you. If you were to give some advice
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to a student or a new practitioner
that has heard this podcast, they think
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you guys are doing some incredible things
and they want these opportunities for themselves one
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day. What is that best piece
of advice that you would give to that
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student or that new doc that they
can do right now to prepare themselves for
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a future career where they get to
treat athletes at this level. Well,
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it starts with understanding that just because
you have a license now or a certificate
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doesn't mean that people are going to
start seeking you out. You have to
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make yourself available and I really hold
on to what Roger was saying earlier about
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volunteerism. You're going to spend a
lot of your own time and sometimes your
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own resources trying to work your way
into a specific team or a community.
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So you have to be able to
make yourself available for those opportunities because that's
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really where the magic happens. That's
where you make the connections and maybe the
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person you're connecting to isn't the right
person, but they may know the right
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person, So you never know how
far reaching your networking and your volunteerism will
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go. As Rogers said, and
I agree with everything you said. That's
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why I'm kind of reiterating these points. Once you make it into an organization
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or onto a team, check your
ego. Okay, everybody has a place
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there or otherwise they wouldn't be there. So you have to know what your
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role is and be willing to be
a team member. Everybody gets their say.
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And then I think lastly, the
learning never ends once you've made it.
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That doesn't mean that you get to
rest now. Now you have the
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responsibility to really up your game and
continue to learn and to improve yourself.
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Yes, networking, launch ruism,
making yourself available and for me and I
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may resonate with only a small group, that I may resonate with everybody on
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this world. Let's stay authentic.
Stay authentic with yourself and practice your your
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your art, your trade, your
your skills with conviction, and and be
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okay with not having the answers to
all the questions, but being able to
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put yourself out there to say that
it's okay to say I don't know,
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but let's find this answer. Let's
find out what we can do to help
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you get better. Agree, well
said answers, what that I well said?
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I totally agree with that. You're
right, and just just be authentic
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with it and be true, don't
be fake. And that's that's what I
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would recommend people. Don't. Don't
try so hard to be committed and to
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do with conviction, And wouldn't you
feel like you're going to regret it.
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Don't do it, You're going to
regret it. But know that this is
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this is a challenge, it's selfless, and you have to be okay with
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that's because it is an extremely rewarding
opportunity. Yeah, you're there to serve.
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That's a very good point. Wonderful, Well, thank you both so
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much. This has been an incredible
conversation. I hope our listeners have gained
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a lot of insight and definitely some
pieces of advice and wisdom that you all
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have imparted today that they can take
with them and apply to their own clinical
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practice or to their journey towards becoming
a provider. So again, thank you
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both so much for the discussion today. I very much appreciate you taking the
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time and really kind of giving us
some insight in that behind the scenes look
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into what it does take to be
a member of a sports medicine team at
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such a high level. Thank you
both, Thanks for the opportunity. Thank
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you. That's it for today's episode. If you enjoy listening to the Factor
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