From Pain to Purpose: A Gut Health Journey with Josh Dech - Episode 281

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden longevity podcast.

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I'm your host Dr.

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Jeffrey Gladden.

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And as always, we're here answering big questions like how good can you be?

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How do we make a hundred and new 30?

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How do we live well beyond 120?

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How do we live young for a lifetime?

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And how do we basically cultivate a 300 year old mind?

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And today I have the pleasure of welcoming to the podcast, um, a guy named Josh deck who

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has a really interesting story.

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has a large podcast following.

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He's a internationally recognized health coach around particularly Crohn's and ulcerative
colitis.

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But you're going to hear a very interesting conversation about gut health, autoimmunity,
detox.

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We really kind of unravel this knot in a deep way.

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And I think you're going to find it a really interesting and informative conversation.

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There's some real

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Good tidbits, some information there that's very actionable.

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Some companies we talk about for testing and things like that.

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give this a listen and I think you'll find it very useful.

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Ongevity Podcast.

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I'm your host, Dr.

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Jeffrey Gladden.

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And as always, we're here having interesting conversations.

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And today I'm speaking with Josh Deck, D-E-C-H.

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And Josh has an interesting background that has to do with really the gut and autoimmunity
and a number of other topics that we'll probably cruise into.

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So Josh, welcome.

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to the Welcome to the Podcast.

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Jeff, thanks so much for having me.

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I really appreciate it.

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Looking forward to our conversation.

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good.

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So, you know, maybe tell the audience a little bit about your story.

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How did you get interested in the gut?

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Not everybody ends up there, but you did, obviously.

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And why don't you walk us through how you arrived there?

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It's one of those pain to purpose stories that I'm sure we're all sick of hearing by now
and it's what makes us good at what we do.

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You know, I've had gut issues my entire life, as long as I can remember.

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I've had issues in my joints.

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I remember back to third grade running in the playground and my knees hurting.

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And I wasn't really aware of what was causing it until I was about 11 years old.

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My mom's always had gut issues and she'd go upstairs, she'd have gas, bloat, pain, she'd
lay on her left-hand side and eventually the gas would pass, it would go away.

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When I was 11 years old,

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I remember there was a night after baseball practice, went over to McDonald's, because
that was our thing.

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And we got whatever it is we got.

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She went upstairs to lay on her left-hand side.

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But for some reason, the pain just wasn't going away.

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It was actually getting worse.

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And I watched my stepdad go upstairs.

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I was sitting outside the bedroom door looking in.

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And it was dark, dimly lit, smelled like farts.

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And he sits on the edge of the bed with her.

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says, we need to go to the hospital.

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And she refused.

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He came back half hour later.

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She was breaking out into cold sweats.

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He says, we are going.

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He picks her up.

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puts her in the car and took her in and the surgeon said, have we not done emergency
surgery tonight?

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Two to three hours later, she probably would have died at home.

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What ended up happening was her bowel wore out over many, many years, decades of dealing
with this consistent bloating, constipation, pain she was having and kind of like your

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heel wearing out when you're wearing shoes without socks and it starts to rub to look at
red and blister and bleed that happened to her gut and it perforated.

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Okay.

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a little hole.

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She was leaking bowel contents, stool toxins into her abdominal cavity and she went
septic.

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So you had emergency bowel resection done that day that took out 12 inches of colon put in
a bag.

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And over the year she had her gallbladder removed.

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She had a total of two feet of bowel mesh put in the works.

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My dad had gut issues.

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I've had them to the point where when I was in my early twenties, my back was covered in
acne, talked about not an inch without acne on it down my shoulders, down my arms to my

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wrists, up my neck, on my chest.

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I was having severe joint pain.

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I lost about 30 pounds, give or take.

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I had 15 bowel movements a day, blood, mucus in my stool, panic attacks, anxiety, drove me
to suicidal thoughts where I almost went through with it.

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My brain was so messed up because of my gut.

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And I was able to correct and reverse that to where I am today.

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And I just, love my life.

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I feel amazing.

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And I was never depressed.

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My gut inflamed my brain and it made me feel like I was.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's a, that's a remarkable turnaround.

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so, I mean, it sounds like you have a genetic predisposition for Crohn's ulcerative
colitis, you know, some, some kind of something going on there and probably some

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autoimmune things related to that with, with the joint pain and the other stuff.

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So you want to tell us kind of how you unraveled that knot and what, what you found as you
unraveled it.

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Well, at the time I didn't know any better.

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So I had to bring somebody who was much smarter than myself to unravel it for me.

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But what we had learned through this process, we know your gut is the center of
everything.

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There is nothing in your body from a hair on your head to your fingernails, to your sleep
patterns and your personality that are not connected back to your gut.

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it ended up happening, we did some testing that really dove into it.

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I had massive candida fungal overgrowth where it was growing.

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up through my esophagus into my mouth and down from my small intestine where they usually
live all the way to the large intestine I was fully infected.

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It was coming out and pushing through my skin so it was fungus causing acne and I also had
parasites.

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They were plugging up my liver on top of that at the time when I got sick and lost that 30
plus pounds.

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I was also on anabolic steroids.

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I was a strength athlete competing so my liver was extra bogged down by the injections and
the pills and it was just the perfect circle.

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yeah, so just so the audience understands, so yeast overgrowth in the gut is a thing.

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We tend to see it pretty frequently.

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A lot of times it'll be in a small bowel, but it can be throughout the entire bowel, if
you will.

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In fact, the entire GI tract into the mouth, into the esophagus, et cetera.

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You know, even people that have like fungus in their toenails or fingernails or things
like that, they really have a reservoir of this, right?

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It's not just enough to treat the nails.

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They have a reservoir of this in their gut.

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It's really kind of a systemic reservoir that they have.

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And the yeast, you know, we see that people that drink more alcohol tend to have higher
amounts of candida or yeast overgrowth.

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Certainly people that eat a lot of sugar are more prone to it as well, diabetics or
insulin resistant people that are on that path to diabetes.

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What was it in your case do you think?

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Was it something other than that or was it related to that in some way or?

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For me, I think it came from early years.

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So looking back, there was probably a fair bit of stress in my life.

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Once I've sort of unpacked things with a therapist, you know, after my parents divorced,
we went from financial stability to straight poverty, where my mom would send me to

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friends' houses to eat because there's no food at home.

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And, you know, that's sort of where we grew up.

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And around 12, 13 years old, when was 13, I got into high school, got in with the wrong
crowd.

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was dealing drugs by age 13.

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I started a business with 100 % profit margins.

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Okay.

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and then sold it out of my locker in school.

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So there was just a lot of that, you know, involvement with the police and just a lot of
the wrong crowds.

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So between that, I was also a high, high level athlete.

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was wrestling.

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I was doing gymnastics and martial arts nonstop.

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So I was eating McDonald's.

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Yeah.

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it's remarkable that you could be a high performance athlete with all that going on,
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mean, I get this.

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on at the time.

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This is what caused it.

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I was performing high level and I was like, well, I got to keep up my calories.

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counted calories, not chemicals.

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So was eating McDonald's four days a week because it was 3000 calories.

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I was downing 18 plus eggs a day, a liter of milk and cottage cheese.

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I didn't know I had sensitivities to the dairy and that just eroded my gut.

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And that's what I believe laid the foundation for all this to come in.

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Okay.

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So, this is interesting, right?

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So I think, I think one of the things that this highlights is one of the things about diet
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And if you, if you listen to anybody about diet advice, I can, it's almost guaranteed that
people will be talking about the health of this food or the goodness of that food or the

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badness of this food or this other food, right?

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In actual fact,

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there isn't a good or bad food.

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There's just a food that's good or bad for you.

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And you really have to start to understand that from the standpoint of your own immune
system, your own food sensitivities, your own digestive patterns and that sort of thing.

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And so it's really so important to actually, before you decide that a food is good or bad,
is to actually deconstruct your own system, you know, whether you're of insulin

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resistance, whether you have yeast overgrowth, whether you have food sensitivities,
whether you have Crohn's disease, you know, all these different things.

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If you figure that out first, then all of a sudden it becomes pretty clear.

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well, eggs are not particularly good for me.

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Dairy is not particularly good for me.

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So gluten's probably not good for anybody, but there are some people that tolerate it
better than others, let's say.

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But it's an interesting thing.

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If you're struggling with your gut, the first thing to do is not to jump on a diet.

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The first thing to do is actually deconstruct the problem.

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What is actually going on?

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Do the stool test, do the food sensitivity test.

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Maybe you're not digesting your food properly.

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We see this all the time, Healthy people come in here and they're not absorbing fat,
they're not absorbing protein.

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It's really wild what you find when you actually look.

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so I think it's really important to deconstruct this.

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Now you didn't have the benefit of any of that initially, but apparently you started
working with somebody that started to unravel that for you.

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So walk us through that a little bit further.

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So what happened?

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Well, I had to find some help.

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So I started reaching out to people who worked at the gym who I knew were in quote health
coaching or studying nutrition.

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And they were able to identify the candida and the issues.

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And they started running me on basic protocols.

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But as it developed, it actually took me years because I didn't realize at the time they
were missing critical steps that I now know today that I use for my clients.

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There was no drainage support.

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And if we think of detoxing is collecting your trash, drainage is bringing it out to the
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You have seven main drainage pathways.

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So your liver, gallbladder and bile ducts are the biggest ones we see clogged up when
we're dealing with bowel issues.

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Mine were sluggish from the steroids, from the junk food, from the stress, from
everything, from the candida.

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Then of course we have your sinuses, your lymphatic system.

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I've had sinus issues for years.

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My lymphatic system, I was having trouble even sweating.

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So whether I was exercising or moving, my body wasn't getting rid of stuff, right?

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Bowels, kidneys and bladder, this is how things get out.

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there's so many ways to move things out of your system.

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And what they did was say, well, let's kill everything that's overgrown to get rid of it.

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But my trash has to go somewhere.

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I had no my yeah, I was evicting tenants from the building, but my doors were all locked.

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So they just moved around, got really upset and peed on the rug.

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It's so now I've got infections in other places.

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I started getting headaches and my bowels worsened until they improved.

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But I should never have had to have gone through that extra slump.

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had there been proper foundations laid for drainage, immune support, cellular wellness.

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This is, this is part of the deconstruction process also is to look at detox pathways,
drainage pathways, all of this, because if you're not doing that, then you can, you can

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compound the problem, right?

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We're doing the right thing.

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You can actually compound the problem, which is kind of what you were, what you were
doing.

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Right.

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So walk us.

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Yeah, totally.

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So walk us through the drainage, you know, sort of protocols that you

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that you utilize to help people with liver, gallbladder, kidneys, sinuses, lymphatic
drainage, et cetera.

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I'd love to.

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And just to preface, when we're getting into drainage, we use this.

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I specialize in Crohn's colitis, which by the way are very reversible conditions, contrary
to what your doctor says, and even severe IBS.

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And drainage, liver and gallbladder drainage, these are pertinent for everyone.

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If you have a bowel issue, a symptom or diagnosis, you need these.

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So what it often looks like, number one, we can start by binding because there's a lot of
residual floaters.

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So whether it be mycotoxins, so mold, or biotoxins, which are being produced by your
bacteria and inflammatory products, we often want to capture some of those.

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And we can start with a very low basic dose, get you drinking more water and just moving
your body more.

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That's going to start catching the residual, but then you have to get the stuff that's
buried.

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So I think of it this way.

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If you have a cup filled with water and there's something at the bottom and you reach your
hand in through that cup to grab the thing at the bottom, it overflows.

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You have to empty out some of that cup first before you can reach to the bottom of it.

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And that's we have to do by binding and draining before you can remove all this junk.

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So that drainage protocol, it might look like red light.

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I wouldn't jump into most people lymphatic massage right away, but basic movement,
walking, stretching routines, getting your body to move your lymphatic system around.

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But priority, you want to support the liver, gallbladder, and bile ducts.

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And this is going to be supplements like TUDCA, T-U-D-C-A.

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or NAC, that's N-Acetylcysteine, milk thistle, even glutathione, but NAC is sort of, it's
a precursor to glutathione, but it depends on where you wanna go.

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And we support your liver to get it moving.

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You can use things like phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylserine to help with your brain
cell membranes, which again helps with exiting the body.

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And so once we can support this adequately, we get you sweating more often and sweating
more readily, then we've emptied the glass enough.

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to really reach our hand into the bottom and pull that infection out.

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Because if you think about it, there's only three reasons, Jeff, that I've distilled it
down to in my career, is why people get sick.

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Toxins of some kind.

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High blood sugar, high stress, mold, heavy metals, alcohol, preservatives, chemicals,
pesticides, they're all toxins.

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The second reason is deficiencies.

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Deficiencies of sunlight, fresh air, exercise, basic nutrients, vitamins, minerals.

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The third is microbial imbalances or infections.

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Overgrowth of candida.

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or undergrowth of bacteria, keystone microbes, infections like parasites, viruses,
whatever.

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There's no other reason we get sick.

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And so we have to remove those infections or those insults to the body.

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And that's how we can continue after drainage to proceed through the healing process.

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Yeah, I think that's, that's really wise.

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Yeah, I like the approach.

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And then do you move into areas like lymphatic massage and things like that to, to help
people as well, or tell us about that.

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We can and I think it's all about tolerance.

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You know, let's go back to the cup analogy.

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It's cup filled with water.

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You want to drain it out slowly and controlled.

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If you dump too much too quickly, the paper towel can absorb, you make a mess all over the
floor.

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So what I want to do drainage, you're slowly shaking that cup to get a little bit of water
out at a time.

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But if you shake too much too fast, you spill everywhere.

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And so when it comes down to lymphatic, sometimes lymphatic massage will make people
sicker because that's the most congested system, depending on why and how they're sick.

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If you're somebody, talked to a client yesterday, she puts on like a baseball cap and she
has an indent in her forehead for hours.

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Her socks leaving in, she's not an overweight woman, she's quite lean, but socks leave an
imprint around her ankles.

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Her lymphatic system is not draining fluid.

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So for her at that stage, right at the beginning to go through and do lymphatic massage,
when she's not getting things out, she's just going to move them around.

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She'll probably get migraines and even the flu, muscle aches, joint pain as those toxins
immobilize, then settle elsewhere.

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So for me, sweating first to really push things out and gentle movement before I manually
press things out like a massage.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That makes perfect sense.

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So are you a fan of using saunas in this context or how do you feel about that?

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Totally.

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I think saunas are fine if you can tolerate them.

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Start with 10 minutes.

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Get it heated up to a point where you finally break a sweat, but for five or 10, brush
off, go shower.

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Increase it as you need.

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One of the challenges we see is a lot of people go in and jump into red light saunas right
away, and they can do too much too quickly.

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Red light penetrates a lot deeper into the cells, stimulates mitochondrial function, helps
drainage and detoxing and all this.

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But again, like lymphatic, if you're not ready for that powerful of a system, I recommend
you're better off.

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going to sweat outside in the shade surrounded by green things.

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That green actually reflects infrared light like a hundredfold or something ridiculous.

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So being shaded in a green area is going to get you all the nice infrared light and allow
you to sweat without really being focused in a sauna that can make you sick.

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Nice.

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I like that a lot.

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So that would mean not doing it at the beach if you're going to be reflecting green,
right?

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So the park next to the beach.

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Yeah.

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And if you're as pale as I am, you're reflecting too much sunlight anyways.

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There you go.

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Yeah, there are ways to fix that, quite honestly.

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yeah, very interesting.

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So tell us a little bit more about advanced detox things that you do.

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Are there things that are even more advanced once you kind of people are able to tolerate
it or what does that look like?

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advancing detox, then again, detoxing and drainage are two stages.

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So once you've opened up those exit pathways, so liver, gallbladder, bile ducts, lymphatic
skin, sinuses, bowels and bladder, or kidneys, once those are opened and things are moving

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freely, then you can really begin detoxing more because while you're collecting trash,
will naturally make its way out of your body.

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And so increasing that really looks like two things.

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You increase the dosage of whatever supports you're using.

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whether that's broad spectrum binders like bentonite clay, zeolite, humic fulvic acid,
chlorella, modified citrus pectin.

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Whatever it is you're dosing, you can increase the doses.

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Number two, you increase the interventions.

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You sweat more often, you sweat more regularly, you exercise and move more.

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Whether it's acupuncture, lymphatic massage, you're increasing your interventions.

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Where a lot of people get tripped up, they continue these interventions.

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And they go, I'm feeling better, so this must be my solution.

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But once they stop, they feel terrible again.

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And what it is, it's kind of like there's a fire burning and you constantly pour water on
top of the fire, but you never turn off the gas leak.

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So we go through drainage, we go through detoxing, but at no point do we really fully
actually turn off or get rid of the problem.

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You don't correct the fungal overgrowth.

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Maybe there's mold in your home, which affects 70 % of US homes.

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and you're constantly re-inoculating your body with these toxins.

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So you keep going back and needing more drainage, more binding.

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And now you're basically on plant-based medication, right?

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Managing your symptoms with supplements.

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Yeah.

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So with the infections, do you have testing that you do to look for the parasites and look
for the mold and things like that?

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I know that we do testing here, but I don't know which, you do in your world.

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Or do you just assume that they're there or how do you go about that?

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a little bit of both.

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So in the Crohn's colitis space, mold is present 70 to 80 percent of the time and so are
parasites.

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And parasites and mold go hand in hand.

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We know that one opens a door for the other.

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So we can assume that they're there.

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But for the sake of doing our due diligence and being good practitioners, we always want
to know.

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So we operate through what's called functional blood chemistry.

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We can look at blood in certain markers to know what else is going on.

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We can look at bun and creatinine in different

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measurements within blood.

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Now it's not my specialty, I've got a guy who does that, but we can look at the blood
which tells a broader spectrum.

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Not just are you in normal ranges, because what your doctor does to identify normal is
they take all the blood from your entire city or your state and they look at this and go

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here's where the average population sits.

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If you're within there you're normal, but 92 % of the population is not metabolically
healthy.

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Therefore if you're normal, by definition you're actually already sick.

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So we want to look for optimal ranges.

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And then from there, we look at symptoms.

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Is the truth is Jeff, mean, parasite testing at best is probably 40 % accurate.

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Your doctor's is like 99 % inaccurate.

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So we have to look at symptoms and there's a huge array of symptoms we can find.

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We can look at blood work, which can help identify parasites.

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We can look at stool samples.

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You may not catch parasites, but certain markers can show us parasites in your stool,
certain depletions of bacteria like acromansia, fecalobacterium presnitzi.

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can often indicate certain species of parasites.

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Sometimes eosinophils.

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So you can find it in stool as eosinophil activation protein or eosinophils in blood.

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Those are elevated about 20, 30 % of the time.

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We look for psoriasis, eczema, skin issues, trouble sleeping, drooling in your sleep,
grinding your teeth, allergies, food sensitivities.

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There's 50, 60 supplements we can tie back to parasites.

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And it's kind of like having a language, you know,

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I can give you a dictionary and it means nothing until you put those words in context to
create sentences with meaning, then we can understand each other.

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And that's sort of how we have to look at symptoms because parasites overlap with mold,
they overlap with candida or claustridia and other dysbiosis.

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And we have to be very contextual in the way we look at your symptoms, but symptoms are
priority for us.

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So what's the actual regimen that you use to actually heal yourself here or use in
conjunction with other practitioners that were helping you?

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What did you end up doing?

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So way back in the day, we're going back 10 years or more now, it was drainage support,
liver, gallbladder, and then sweating, a lot of just active passive sweating.

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exactly what you did, liver and gallbladder.

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What did you actually do?

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We're pulling back the curtain here.

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Let me see if can remember here, Jeff.

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So, Tudka for sure.

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Milk thistle, general liver support.

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So, genation, dandelion.

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boy, we're really peeling back here.

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I would say that any sort of over-the-counter liver supplement is probably a good place to
go, but I'm a huge fan again of Tudka.

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Really mobilizes bile.

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It helps restore the liver cells, anti-inflammatory, it's immunomodulating.

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That's huge.

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Once we got...

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interesting molecule.

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It's actually a metabolite of a bile salt, actually.

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And it has anti-inflammatory antioxidant properties.

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It also has an impact on longevity as well as gut health.

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So we like Tudka.

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It's a very cool molecule.

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If you're not familiar with it, if you're listening to this, it's T-U-D-C-A, Tudka.

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In fact, if you had to pick, you know,

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I guess if you had to pick one thing just randomly off the shelf, that might be the one
that you picked, but it's pretty interesting, right?

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So it's a good thing.

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Okay, and then so with that, your symptoms got 20 % better, 40 % better, 60 % better, what
actually happened?

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What I started finding was my energy was improving first, because my body was so sluggish,
everything was toxified.

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So between that, you know, methylated B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, molybdenum, these
co-factors to detox enzymes and getting your body cleaned out, I was able to sort of empty

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my glass so it wasn't constantly overflowing.

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I noticed my moods began to stabilize a bit.

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I wasn't so anxious all the time or all the time.

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My joints are a little better, my energy improved.

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Once I was there,

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I was unable to move on to the next phase, which was going to be killing off a lot of
these microbes that were overgrown, rebalancing my gut.

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The challenge is in the, yeah, please.

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second to get to the killing off because just so the audience understands also, we use a
genetic test called Intellex DNA.

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I think we've done a podcast with them.

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I know I did a doctor's talk with them.

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I'll probably do a podcast again on a couple of things.

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But Intellex DNA is a company out of Boston that looks at detox pathways.

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And if you're

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If you're curious to know where you need support, if you look at some of these genetic
SNPs, you can actually get some insight into, I see.

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I don't do a very good job with making glutathione, for example, or I don't do a very good
job with heavy metals.

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I do a pretty good job with organic things to get out, and that sort of stuff.

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if you're looking to refine your thoughts on this, just doing their sort of executive
panel will give you a...

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their detox snips, if you will, along with a lot of other things that are useful.

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So I'll just throw that in there.

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But we find that to be useful to kind of customize where we think people are going to need
the most help.

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So, yeah.

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I think that's brilliant.

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And it depends on who you ask.

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I know even some practitioners that I've worked with or that I even have on my team will
say, well, DNA is not so important.

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Others swear by it.

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And I guess my opinion on it is that it's so vital to know where your body might be
lacking so you can lean into those weaknesses.

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But at the end of the day, if you're not cellularly stressed, toxically loaded, if you're
not having dysbiosis issues and all that, then your DNA is not going to be faulty.

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but especially in the beginning and long-term stages when you get sick, you know where to
lean on to give your body a bit of that.

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It's kind of like wearing orthotics.

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Like, well, I have a bit of a limp here.

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I got one leg that's a bit shorter.

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So this will kind of be preventative.

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It will help me get corrected faster.

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I'm all about that.

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And that's where you want to go.

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maybe an analogy is you've got a house, right?

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And it's built on a foundation and the foundation of the genetics.

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And if you know where the inherent weaknesses are relative to, let's say heavy rains or
high winds or something like that, you can sort of reinforce those genes are actually what

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happens is with the right support, you can actually modify the way those genes are
expressed to make them more supportive.

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Right.

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And that's really what we're going for.

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But if you don't know, if you don't know,

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what's in your foundation, then it's difficult to know.

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You you can throw the kitchen sink at it.

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That's one approach.

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Or you can try to be a little more a little more precise about it.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Exactly, exactly.

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So then so then you got to a point where you were feeling better, better energy.

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And then were there other things that you did to actually settle down the actual acne and
the and the gut and the diarrhea and all the other things that you were kind of

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talking about earlier on is were there additional things that you did or was that enough
to sort of take care of it?

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Or where did you, did you then diagnose the parasites and the yeast overgrowth and the
bacterial overgrowth and start to kill that off?

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Is that the sequence or what happened?

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Well, so after drainage and after basic support, getting things out of my system, the next
stage I took, I had to change my diet.

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Because again, I was focused on calories.

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I was eating boxes of cereal and all kinds of junk.

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So they got a new flavor of tricks or cinnamon toast crunch, this and that.

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And so I pick it up and that'd be a snack for me.

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But we're talking grains, processed sugars, glyphosate, all kinds of garbage that I didn't
realize how big the...

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I was a personal trainer, count macros, right?

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I got my macro balance, I'm And it made me very sick.

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So did have to change the insults.

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It's like to empty the bathtub, you got to turn off the tap.

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And so that's what I had to do first.

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So once I changed the diet over and I was no longer compounding and making my own issues,
then I was able to go into biofilms.

424
00:28:18,678 --> 00:28:24,700
there's a lot of biofilms are produced as a protective layer, they also help them
transport, move around.

425
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:28,231
It's kind of like a sludgy, slimy mucus.

426
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:30,494
like a film.

427
00:28:30,494 --> 00:28:36,881
You're talking biofilm, but it's almost like a mucus film, as you can almost imagine it,
right?

428
00:28:36,881 --> 00:28:45,460
If you're listening to this, it's almost like snot that kind of lines a skin, an internal
skin, a mucosal membrane, right?

429
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:46,465
So yeah.

430
00:28:46,465 --> 00:28:46,895
it.

431
00:28:46,895 --> 00:28:49,226
And biofilms not bad, I mean we need it.

432
00:28:49,226 --> 00:28:55,308
But when you have overgrowth of bad guys creating too much biofilms, you can't really go
in to kill them all off.

433
00:28:55,308 --> 00:28:57,488
It's like dropping a bomb on top of a bomb shelter.

434
00:28:57,488 --> 00:29:01,089
You gotta open the hatch and clean things out first and get everything moving.

435
00:29:01,089 --> 00:29:05,020
But as you go to open up these biofilms, because they are a layer, they hold onto toxins.

436
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:14,863
Whether it's endotoxins produced by your microbes, if it's mycotoxins from colonizing
mold, know, byproducts like urine and feces even from certain worms that might be in your

437
00:29:14,863 --> 00:29:15,663
gut.

438
00:29:15,685 --> 00:29:18,147
Once you open those biofilms, you release them.

439
00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:20,229
So you also have to bind and capture.

440
00:29:20,229 --> 00:29:24,763
it's kind of a put on the gas, pull off a little bit, throttle on, throttle off.

441
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,614
you see what your tolerances are.

442
00:29:26,614 --> 00:29:29,847
And already I'd had less junk in my system.

443
00:29:29,847 --> 00:29:31,448
It didn't have to push through my skin.

444
00:29:31,448 --> 00:29:33,350
My acne started calming down right away.

445
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:37,523
My joints got better right away because there wasn't so much circulating.

446
00:29:37,523 --> 00:29:44,368
And then I went in with all these microbial killers, whether it was probiotics or
antimicrobial plant-based.

447
00:29:44,585 --> 00:29:49,689
There's a supplement I used through Neutrodyne, for example, called, was it Nutricidin?

448
00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:57,938
And what we focused on there, it's clove, oregano, thyme, black walnut, all these
anti-fungals, anti-microbials that come in and kill things off.

449
00:29:57,938 --> 00:30:02,362
But again, when you kill a microbe, it's like popping a balloon full of confetti.

450
00:30:02,362 --> 00:30:03,603
Now you got a mess to clean up.

451
00:30:03,603 --> 00:30:06,386
So if you kill too much too fast, again, you over-flood your system.

452
00:30:06,386 --> 00:30:09,915
So it really is a titrated, go slow type of process.

453
00:30:09,915 --> 00:30:10,435
That's right.

454
00:30:10,435 --> 00:30:10,685
Yeah.

455
00:30:10,685 --> 00:30:16,639
You can end up with diarrhea if you go too fast is what we found basically, which is why
you sure.

456
00:30:16,639 --> 00:30:17,239
Well, sure.

457
00:30:17,239 --> 00:30:18,118
Yeah, that's right.

458
00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:20,741
If you're that sensitive to it for sure.

459
00:30:20,741 --> 00:30:29,105
So using the binders, taking it at a measured pace, you know, taking some of these things
like every third day, not every day or every something like that, right.

460
00:30:29,105 --> 00:30:33,088
Just to kind of allow your body to kind of digest the process almost.

461
00:30:33,088 --> 00:30:39,701
Do you have particular biofilm busters that you found to be particularly useful or helpful
that you like?

462
00:30:39,929 --> 00:30:41,350
There's a lot of them out there.

463
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:45,414
One that I've leaned on the most over the years is Clair Labs Interphase Plus.

464
00:30:45,414 --> 00:30:46,715
I found it to be really nice.

465
00:30:46,715 --> 00:30:55,853
It's got a great blend of these what we call proteolytic enzymes and they have an
interphase and their interphase plus I believe is the one that also contains EDTA which

466
00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:59,746
can work as a chelator to capture other toxins, heavy metals, etc.

467
00:30:59,746 --> 00:31:01,548
So it depends on what you need.

468
00:31:01,548 --> 00:31:08,191
Some people can get away with just seropeptase or natokinase, something like that but

469
00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:09,985
We always want to go slow.

470
00:31:09,985 --> 00:31:15,527
It's really easy to throw away too many enzymes in to break these biofilms down way too
quickly.

471
00:31:15,527 --> 00:31:18,668
So I think we get in such a rush because we're desperate.

472
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:19,548
I was sick.

473
00:31:19,548 --> 00:31:21,359
I was depressed and suicidal.

474
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,229
My joints hurt.

475
00:31:22,229 --> 00:31:23,549
I was having panic attacks.

476
00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:25,687
And I mean, God bless my wife.

477
00:31:25,687 --> 00:31:30,091
We're not divorced, but at the time it's surprising we weren't because I was so off the
rails.

478
00:31:30,091 --> 00:31:33,652
And had I gone too much too quickly, I would have gotten very sick.

479
00:31:33,652 --> 00:31:36,273
And so in these desperate situations,

480
00:31:36,457 --> 00:31:39,805
It's important to understand that slow and steady will get you there.

481
00:31:39,805 --> 00:31:43,933
If you go too quickly out of desperation, you're likely to set yourself back and make it
worse.

482
00:31:43,983 --> 00:31:44,823
Yeah.

483
00:31:45,965 --> 00:31:47,906
I think there's a lot of wisdom in what you're saying.

484
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:53,521
So, you know, we started, the podcast, you were talking a bit about joint pain and things
like that.

485
00:31:53,521 --> 00:32:05,090
And we know that people that suffer from toxins, from food sensitivities, from the
associated inflamed gut, the leaky gut, leaky gut and leaky blood brain barrier with brain

486
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:05,480
fog.

487
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,062
then, you know, also you end up with,

488
00:32:09,763 --> 00:32:11,074
autoimmune issues, right?

489
00:32:11,074 --> 00:32:16,986
So you can end up with Hashimoto's and you can end up with other autoimmune sort of
scenarios.

490
00:32:16,986 --> 00:32:22,068
Hashimoto's is where antibodies are basically attacking your thyroid gland.

491
00:32:22,768 --> 00:32:30,192
And pretty much 100 % of the time, we find that's associated with, you know, issues going
on in the gut, if you will.

492
00:32:30,192 --> 00:32:34,863
So you had what sounded like some autoimmune issues going on.

493
00:32:34,863 --> 00:32:37,224
And I know you've got some theories about autoimmunity.

494
00:32:37,224 --> 00:32:38,693
Do you want to talk a little bit?

495
00:32:38,693 --> 00:32:43,891
further about autoimmunity, both for yourself and then some of your generalized notions
about it.

496
00:32:44,081 --> 00:32:50,865
Yeah, know autoimmunity is an interesting conversation and we hear the word antibodies
sort of say, it's autoimmune.

497
00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:52,746
There's two kinds of antibodies.

498
00:32:52,906 --> 00:32:57,068
There's auto antibodies which attack you and there's antibodies which attack other.

499
00:32:57,088 --> 00:32:59,059
If you think about it, let's go back to medieval times.

500
00:32:59,059 --> 00:33:02,091
You have a castle or a watchtower and there's foot soldiers coming up.

501
00:33:02,091 --> 00:33:02,992
What do you do?

502
00:33:02,992 --> 00:33:05,293
You design an archer to be able to snipe them.

503
00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,548
It's a very specific defense against a specific type of soldier.

504
00:33:08,548 --> 00:33:11,056
And this is what your body does to defend itself.

505
00:33:11,056 --> 00:33:12,989
When it becomes autoimmune,

506
00:33:12,989 --> 00:33:15,510
That archer turns around and shoots the king.

507
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:17,911
And so now we're attacking ourselves.

508
00:33:17,911 --> 00:33:23,392
And what we look at when it comes down to autoimmunity, we have to say your body's
attacking yourself.

509
00:33:23,392 --> 00:33:25,133
I had no proof that it truly was.

510
00:33:25,133 --> 00:33:32,215
What it seemed like was just systemic toxicity, but it could be easily classified as
autoimmune because of the severity of the conditions.

511
00:33:32,215 --> 00:33:33,815
you probably had ulcerative colitis.

512
00:33:33,815 --> 00:33:36,196
I probably did, but I never got it diagnosed.

513
00:33:36,336 --> 00:33:39,211
And so, yes.

514
00:33:39,211 --> 00:33:42,546
if you're listening to this and you're curious, do I have autoimmunity?

515
00:33:42,546 --> 00:33:51,308
There are tests that can be done to look for autoimmune signatures in your immune system
that can be easily tested, quite honestly.

516
00:33:51,308 --> 00:33:53,940
So yeah, we use Vibrant America for that, yeah.

517
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:55,630
Vibrant, but you'd be shocked, Jeff.

518
00:33:55,630 --> 00:34:01,793
So my specialty in Crohn's colitis, you might be shocked or maybe not at all with the
expectation we have of the Western medical system.

519
00:34:01,793 --> 00:34:10,326
How many people come in to see me who have never had any antibodies tested, but their
doctor's telling them their condition is autoimmune because of how it's characterized or

520
00:34:10,326 --> 00:34:11,477
classified.

521
00:34:11,477 --> 00:34:13,817
And most of these cases aren't.

522
00:34:14,098 --> 00:34:22,021
So to break down autoimmunity, let's lean to Crohn's colitis for a moment here, just
because that's my niche is, but let's specialize and say,

523
00:34:22,021 --> 00:34:25,524
anything, whether it's ALS, MS, lupus, whatever it is.

524
00:34:25,524 --> 00:34:34,091
The three reasons we get sick, toxins, microbial imbalances, and nutrient deficiencies or
basic deficiencies like sunlight exercise.

525
00:34:34,091 --> 00:34:35,772
That's the reasons we get sick.

526
00:34:35,772 --> 00:34:39,896
For something to turn autoimmune, there are three legs to this table.

527
00:34:39,896 --> 00:34:48,503
We have some kind of antecedent, so like a trigger, a stressful event, many years of
stress, surgery, medication, whatever it is.

528
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:51,805
We have a genetic predisposition, and then we have leaky gut.

529
00:34:51,805 --> 00:34:55,746
Those three things are connected to nearly every autoimmune condition on the planet.

530
00:34:55,746 --> 00:34:58,187
And I would challenge you to maybe find one that's not.

531
00:34:58,427 --> 00:35:01,948
So your body is a well-oiled, well-designed machine.

532
00:35:02,048 --> 00:35:11,290
And when you lack the resources, because you're toxic, you're deficient, or you're
overwhelmed with infections, and then you have genetic predispositions, you have some kind

533
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:19,372
of stressful event or something that causes your body to go off of a leaky gut, which gets
these toxins systemic, now you have these hyperactive immune responses.

534
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:21,701
And I sort of break them down.

535
00:35:21,701 --> 00:35:24,582
autoimmune disease into four main stages.

536
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:26,463
The first is acute.

537
00:35:26,523 --> 00:35:28,601
This is where you get an infection like the flu.

538
00:35:28,601 --> 00:35:31,305
Like your body kicks it in a couple of days or a week and you're fine.

539
00:35:31,305 --> 00:35:32,526
It should do that.

540
00:35:32,526 --> 00:35:35,327
But when it doesn't, it then becomes chronic.

541
00:35:35,327 --> 00:35:45,071
So after a year or more with minimal sort of relief in your symptoms, even with medical
intervention, you're still having issues, it's then classified as a chronic condition.

542
00:35:45,151 --> 00:35:50,393
And what happens just like you carrying a heavy load, you get tired and tired and more
tired.

543
00:35:50,481 --> 00:35:58,224
And so your system, after a chronic condition develops, then it pushes into, we could
classify as immune mediated.

544
00:35:58,264 --> 00:36:07,888
So Crohn's and colitis, these quote unquote autoimmune bowel diseases have been
declassified by the CDC, the Mayo Clinic, et cetera, as being immune mediated.

545
00:36:07,888 --> 00:36:10,109
We know they're hyperactive responses.

546
00:36:10,109 --> 00:36:18,713
So just like you having a stressful day, you're stuck in traffic, somebody swiped the side
of your car, your boss yelled at you, you get home and your kids are running and

547
00:36:18,713 --> 00:36:20,323
screaming, you blow your top.

548
00:36:20,487 --> 00:36:21,618
Your immune system does the same.

549
00:36:21,618 --> 00:36:22,729
It becomes overreactive.

550
00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:24,139
That's our third stage.

551
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:34,947
But then the fourth stage is where we have autoimmunity or immunodeficiency, where we see
certain pathways of the immune system collapsing and being unable to do their job, or your

552
00:36:34,947 --> 00:36:37,249
body really does begin attacking itself.

553
00:36:37,269 --> 00:36:45,615
And that autoimmune theory, if you want to get there, I'm actually working to challenge
that because I'm on a mission to prove, I mean, it's a bold statement.

554
00:36:45,615 --> 00:36:48,997
Someone's going to attack me for this, but I'll say with a grain of salt.

555
00:36:49,051 --> 00:36:53,329
I don't believe autoimmune disease exists the way we believe it does.

556
00:36:54,743 --> 00:36:56,805
Okay, well that's an interesting statement.

557
00:36:56,805 --> 00:36:59,917
want to talk about that just a little bit further?

558
00:36:59,917 --> 00:37:04,231
I know you kind of did on the preamble there, but you want to explain that?

559
00:37:04,231 --> 00:37:04,809
Yeah.

560
00:37:04,809 --> 00:37:13,013
And I'll preface, if you're listening or you, Jeff, have anybody who's got access to a lab
who wants to collaborate with me on this, I'd love to run some tests.

561
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:16,615
So I'll go back again to my niche, Crohn's colitis.

562
00:37:16,615 --> 00:37:21,297
70 % of cases of ulcerative colitis have an antibody we call P-ANCA.

563
00:37:21,297 --> 00:37:23,858
That's little P, capital ANCA.

564
00:37:23,858 --> 00:37:29,060
This stands for perinuclear antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody.

565
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:30,481
So what does that mean?

566
00:37:30,481 --> 00:37:31,311
It means it's a

567
00:37:31,311 --> 00:37:38,366
antibody that is attacking your white blood cells, the cytoplasm, like the belly, the
jelly in the middle, it's saying, hey, we got to get rid of you.

568
00:37:38,707 --> 00:37:42,389
So conventional thought is, well, your body's attacking your own white blood cells.

569
00:37:42,389 --> 00:37:43,500
There's too many of them.

570
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,072
They're over attacking your body.

571
00:37:45,072 --> 00:37:47,033
Your healing responses are out of whack.

572
00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:51,996
So these antibodies must be attacking your white blood cell, these neutrophils.

573
00:37:52,457 --> 00:37:58,109
My thought is, well, what if there's some kind of toxin, some kind of protein, something

574
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,610
that your body is not able to digest.

575
00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:03,080
Neutrophils eat like Pac-Man.

576
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,631
We call this phagocytosis.

577
00:38:04,631 --> 00:38:07,111
They eat, it gets into the belly, they digest it.

578
00:38:07,131 --> 00:38:16,704
But if your neutrophils, these white blood cells, can't digest this thing, perhaps your
body is creating an antibody against what's in its belly, and the neutrophil is caught in

579
00:38:16,704 --> 00:38:17,874
the crossfire.

580
00:38:18,054 --> 00:38:25,356
That right there would prove that there's more to autoimmunity, that your body's not
attacking your own cells, it's just a bystander effect.

581
00:38:25,356 --> 00:38:28,017
And if we can actually separate this, say, in a Petri dish,

582
00:38:28,017 --> 00:38:28,798
and take these P.

583
00:38:28,798 --> 00:38:37,008
anka antibodies from someone with colitis and attach them with the split the neutrophil,
see what it goes after the cell or what's in the belly.

584
00:38:37,008 --> 00:38:42,395
If we could do that, you could right away prove that this antibody is not an auto
antibody.

585
00:38:42,395 --> 00:38:48,261
And following this chain of events could dismantle a lot of what we currently see and
autoimmunity to be.

586
00:38:48,795 --> 00:38:59,835
Yeah, I think I think there's there's truth in that in the sense that when we think about
autoimmunity, we sort of don't think that that's the intention.

587
00:38:59,835 --> 00:39:02,455
We think it's kind of the consequence.

588
00:39:02,455 --> 00:39:03,915
If that makes sense, right.

589
00:39:03,915 --> 00:39:12,495
The immune system doesn't have the intent intention of attacking itself, but it becomes a
consequence of the immune system being activated in a particular way.

590
00:39:12,495 --> 00:39:17,231
And then either it's a white blood cell or it's a similar appearing.

591
00:39:17,231 --> 00:39:21,544
you know, antigen on another cell or whatever that gets caught in the crossfire, right?

592
00:39:21,544 --> 00:39:33,682
And so to your point, if you can unravel the knot and not simply look at the symptom or
what's actually being attacked, but look at what's actually under the attack occurring in

593
00:39:33,682 --> 00:39:42,487
the first place, if you will, right now, you're actually starting to get to the root cause
of the root cause here a little bit on this to then now you're starting to look at, okay.

594
00:39:42,531 --> 00:39:51,697
So maybe it is mold, maybe it is heavy metals, or maybe it's something else and there's
things that have to be done to kind of detox this in a way that's safe and effective.

595
00:39:51,718 --> 00:39:53,018
I think that's what you're saying.

596
00:39:53,018 --> 00:39:54,010
So yeah.

597
00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:54,981
exactly it, right?

598
00:39:54,981 --> 00:40:02,595
The symptom is your body attacking something that is itself or is related to itself, but
the root cause is still deeper.

599
00:40:02,595 --> 00:40:08,539
And this whole idea sort of came from the fact that human body isn't meant to have
disease.

600
00:40:08,539 --> 00:40:12,521
It is remarkable how much innate intelligence our bodies have.

601
00:40:12,521 --> 00:40:17,103
There are hundreds of checks and balances and mechanisms to make sure your body does not
attack itself.

602
00:40:17,103 --> 00:40:20,495
You have cells designed to attack cells that attack you.

603
00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:24,723
So why suddenly would it turn around and start firing on its own home team?

604
00:40:24,723 --> 00:40:26,944
Something else must be going on.

605
00:40:27,004 --> 00:40:34,308
And rather than accepting the common narrative that it just is what it is or it's genetic
or bad luck, we pulled back the curtain and said, what if?

606
00:40:34,488 --> 00:40:41,772
And I still, again, I need access to a lab and a team, but if somebody wants to help me
with this, I'll bet you would be nominated for Nobel Prize pretty fast.

607
00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,088
So feel free to reach out to me anytime.

608
00:40:44,088 --> 00:40:47,390
Yeah, yeah, no, it's really interesting.

609
00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:50,012
So yeah, so pretty fascinating stuff.

610
00:40:50,012 --> 00:40:55,327
So why don't you share with the audience kind of where you're located?

611
00:40:55,327 --> 00:41:00,637
I think you're doing health coaching, if I'm not mistaken, around these issues.

612
00:41:00,678 --> 00:41:03,189
Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

613
00:41:03,569 --> 00:41:09,771
Yeah, and I just want to preface if it's an autoimmune condition you're coming with with
lupus, MS, etc.

614
00:41:10,292 --> 00:41:12,613
I will definitely refer you or help you find somebody.

615
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:17,895
My specialty is right now it's in the gut, Crohn's, colitis, severe IBS.

616
00:41:17,955 --> 00:41:24,648
And I wouldn't want to say well autoimmune disease, these are great theories, but I don't
have practice in these niches.

617
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:27,139
It's just the Crohn's, colitis and IBS.

618
00:41:27,139 --> 00:41:29,640
So yeah, we work all over the world, Jeff.

619
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,251
I mean, I'm located in Canada.

620
00:41:31,251 --> 00:41:35,422
We got clients in the US, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, parts of Europe.

621
00:41:35,422 --> 00:41:37,903
There's no country on earth we can't help.

622
00:41:37,903 --> 00:41:46,986
We do have challenges with India in the Middle East just because of accessibility, but
ultimately there's a thousand and one ways to get help.

623
00:41:46,986 --> 00:41:48,376
We have a free podcast.

624
00:41:48,376 --> 00:41:49,466
We have a YouTube channel.

625
00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:56,788
We explain all of these things straight down to what it looks like, how it works, why are
doctors wrong, quite frankly, and what you can do instead.

626
00:41:56,788 --> 00:41:59,169
And it's all available all over the internet.

627
00:41:59,481 --> 00:41:59,934
Nice.

628
00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:01,922
So what's the name of your podcast?

629
00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,454
So I actually run two, which I realize gets confusing.

630
00:42:05,454 --> 00:42:10,257
The one we're actually to be seeing you on here soon, Jeff, I believe at the time of
recording, I'll see you this week.

631
00:42:10,257 --> 00:42:11,597
It's called reversible.

632
00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:14,318
That's reverse able, A-B-L-E.

633
00:42:14,318 --> 00:42:18,800
Looks great on paper, play on words, terrible to have to say, but reversible.

634
00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:26,384
And this is where we have two episodes a week, one with an expert, somebody who's much
smarter than I am talking about something that I don't understand.

635
00:42:26,384 --> 00:42:29,577
And then the second episode is a short, where I'll talk about...

636
00:42:29,577 --> 00:42:37,542
how to reverse certain conditions, how to fix yourself, how to heal everything from bloat,
acid reflux, rebuild your gut, whatever it is, we're a gut focused podcast.

637
00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:42,476
And the second one that I have available is called Reversing Crohn's and Colitis
Naturally.

638
00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:50,111
And I started this because I was doing live teachings in my Facebook group, we got about
14,000 people there, and I was doing these every single week.

639
00:42:50,111 --> 00:42:54,414
And I thought, well, why don't we get them out side of the Facebook group and put them on
the internet.

640
00:42:54,414 --> 00:42:59,396
So I just took those recordings, they're all available for free on this podcast, Reversing
Crohn's and Colitis Naturally.

641
00:42:59,396 --> 00:42:59,937
Nice.

642
00:42:59,937 --> 00:43:00,777
Beautiful.

643
00:43:00,777 --> 00:43:01,858
I love it.

644
00:43:02,379 --> 00:43:10,194
Well, to your point, you know, when you started the podcast, it's your own story of pain
that's kind of led to your passion and your purpose here.

645
00:43:10,194 --> 00:43:10,465
Right.

646
00:43:10,465 --> 00:43:13,097
So it's a it's a common theme.

647
00:43:13,097 --> 00:43:13,327
Right.

648
00:43:13,327 --> 00:43:14,518
We see it over and over again.

649
00:43:14,518 --> 00:43:23,474
But but I think in many ways it's a concept of being faced with a challenge.

650
00:43:24,431 --> 00:43:32,398
deconstructing it, understanding it, solving it, healing it, and then in some level, quite
honestly, becoming grateful for it, you transcend it and become grateful because now you

651
00:43:32,398 --> 00:43:35,351
can actually help other people and share your wisdom.

652
00:43:35,351 --> 00:43:39,184
So I congratulate you on that course, right?

653
00:43:39,184 --> 00:43:49,563
I think a lot of people don't go through all the stages it takes to get to this place
where you're actually helping other people, but that's really inspiring trajectory that

654
00:43:49,563 --> 00:43:50,134
you're on.

655
00:43:50,134 --> 00:43:51,415
So it's great.

656
00:43:51,415 --> 00:43:52,125
Thank you.

657
00:43:52,125 --> 00:43:54,905
I'd love to revel in that, you know, I'm awesome.

658
00:43:54,905 --> 00:44:00,825
But the truth is, think every practitioner who's really worth their salt does go beyond
theory.

659
00:44:01,025 --> 00:44:11,885
I've again, I'm 100 and at time of recording 160 some odd episodes into my podcast, I
would tell you probably 70 80 % or more of the specialists we brought in have had the very

660
00:44:11,885 --> 00:44:13,105
same pain to purpose story.

661
00:44:13,105 --> 00:44:15,709
And that's what drives us because we've been there.

662
00:44:15,709 --> 00:44:20,902
we know better and we can help save you the pain we went through in the decade or more of
just figuring it out.

663
00:44:20,902 --> 00:44:22,895
We can help you get to a solution.

664
00:44:23,132 --> 00:44:24,813
Yeah, yeah.

665
00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:28,094
But it's yeah, it's.

666
00:44:29,055 --> 00:44:32,156
I'm not just trying to blow smoke, I think.

667
00:44:34,158 --> 00:44:40,021
Yeah, and it's really not about external validation either to say something nice about
your your course there.

668
00:44:40,021 --> 00:44:44,654
guess what I'm doing is I'm relaying it to the audience as it's inspiring.

669
00:44:44,654 --> 00:44:47,125
And maybe as you're listening to this, think about your own pain.

670
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:51,327
Think about the direction you can take right in terms of

671
00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:58,945
deconstructing it, understanding it, healing it, and then transcending it and making it a
gift that you can give to other people.

672
00:44:58,945 --> 00:45:01,107
That would be the thought there.

673
00:45:01,167 --> 00:45:04,079
Absolutely and I'd love to tack on to the end of that one, Jeff.

674
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:11,323
I will tell you, whatever diagnosis you're dealing with, it doesn't matter whether it's my
niche Crohn's colitis or something else.

675
00:45:11,323 --> 00:45:12,404
It doesn't matter.

676
00:45:12,404 --> 00:45:13,904
It doesn't actually exist.

677
00:45:13,904 --> 00:45:14,675
It's like the matrix.

678
00:45:14,675 --> 00:45:16,166
You know, there is no spoon.

679
00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:22,429
Your diagnosis, what your doctor does is they are trained to measure what's called
diagnostic criteria.

680
00:45:22,429 --> 00:45:24,471
It's often referred to as cookbook medicine.

681
00:45:24,471 --> 00:45:27,052
We say, here are your symptoms.

682
00:45:27,132 --> 00:45:29,053
Once you check enough boxes,

683
00:45:29,053 --> 00:45:35,655
We move you into the next one where you say, is the condition you have and your treatment
therefore is this drug or that one in this order.

684
00:45:35,655 --> 00:45:37,755
And if that doesn't work, here's your surgery.

685
00:45:37,895 --> 00:45:45,097
The problem is, is this gray area where if you don't meet enough of the boxes to get stuck
into a diagnosis box, they don't know what to do.

686
00:45:45,097 --> 00:45:46,218
Well, we don't know what it is.

687
00:45:46,218 --> 00:45:47,638
It could be anything.

688
00:45:47,658 --> 00:45:49,439
Let's come back if it gets worse.

689
00:45:49,439 --> 00:45:51,019
Well, it's going to get worse.

690
00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:56,420
You're wearing a pair of shoes without socks that heel's gonna rub raw till it blisters
and bleeds gets down to the bone.

691
00:45:57,341 --> 00:45:58,321
Imagine.

692
00:45:58,321 --> 00:46:03,404
If you dislocated your shoulder and your doctor went, well, not much we can do, but come
back when your arm falls off.

693
00:46:03,505 --> 00:46:05,847
That would be downright insane.

694
00:46:05,847 --> 00:46:15,204
But we do this with disease conditions and illnesses and expect diagnostic clinicians like
doctors to be able to get root cause approaches when they're just, it's not in the

695
00:46:15,204 --> 00:46:16,194
toolkit.

696
00:46:16,194 --> 00:46:18,436
So a diagnosis means nothing.

697
00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:19,821
They were never, yeah.

698
00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:20,111
way.

699
00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,573
Yeah, no, that's right.

700
00:46:21,573 --> 00:46:27,139
It's so important to, as you're listening to this, to be asking the question, what's below
this, right?

701
00:46:27,139 --> 00:46:32,064
What's beneath my symptoms and then what's beneath that, if you will, right?

702
00:46:32,064 --> 00:46:33,396
And you have to dig like this.

703
00:46:33,396 --> 00:46:35,608
You have to go into it with that mindset.

704
00:46:35,608 --> 00:46:37,870
And there are enough people out there.

705
00:46:38,287 --> 00:46:44,330
You know, like Josh, like what we do here in our clinic as well, where we're really
focused on getting to the root cause of the root cause.

706
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:47,292
And in some cases, the root cause of the root cause of the root cause, right.

707
00:46:47,292 --> 00:46:48,463
Which is aging itself.

708
00:46:48,463 --> 00:46:54,556
And so, when you start to go and deconstruct it that way, you start to get really.

709
00:46:54,836 --> 00:46:57,107
Super fun, phenomenal results for people.

710
00:46:57,107 --> 00:47:00,850
And that's, you know, that's, that's the joy that we, that we go on a right.

711
00:47:00,850 --> 00:47:01,940
Seeing our clients do well.

712
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:04,051
That's the greatest joy both of us have, I'm sure.

713
00:47:04,051 --> 00:47:05,742
So it's good stuff.

714
00:47:06,563 --> 00:47:07,393
Yeah.

715
00:47:07,725 --> 00:47:07,996
Yeah.

716
00:47:07,996 --> 00:47:10,291
Well, Josh, thanks so much for taking the time to be with us.

717
00:47:10,291 --> 00:47:14,209
was a pleasure chatting with you and I guess I'll see you on the other side.

718
00:47:15,111 --> 00:47:16,816
I'm looking forward to it, Jeff.