No. 1 Sugar Expert: 17 Seconds Of Pleasure Can Rewire Your Brain!

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People say, oh, Alzheimer's is genetic garbage.
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That genetic component is only 5%.
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So that means 95% of Alzheimer's risk is environmental.
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Air pollution, microplastics, ultra processed food.
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And a paper just came out showing that sweetener consumption
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correlates with dementia.
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And we think we know why.
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And you've not talked about this publicly yet.
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No, let's talk.
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Dr. Robert Lustig is a world leading sugar expert.
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Who's teaching the world how to reclaim their health
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from the industry that profits off your vulnerability?
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73% of the items in the American grocery store are poisoned
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because sugar is hidden in all the foods.
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For instance, there's 262 names for sugar
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and the food industry uses all of them
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because they knew when they had it, you buy more.
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But the problem is that it's providing people with a dopamine
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hit
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and that dopamine is addictive.
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And that's when you actually have a biochemical and medical
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problem.
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And we have data to show that ultra processed food has been
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associated with dementia,
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diabetes, cancer,
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every single mental health disease.
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So the question is how can you buy healthy food
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and not be tempted by the bad stuff?
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So first, if a food has a label, it's a warning label.
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The second thing, if any food has a sugar in the first three
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ingredients,
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it's dessert.
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And then when they go to the store, don't go hungry.
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And what about exercise?
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Well, it doesn't really impact your desire to reach for sugar.
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It has its own metabolic benefits.
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But if you think exercise is going to make you lose weight,
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you are deluded.
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And we've been talking about that.
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So with all of this in mind, if I've got a sugar problem or if
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I've got an addiction problem,
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what is the remedy?
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I will tell you that this is one of the things I did in my
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obesity clinic.
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So the only way you're going to be able to fix the problems,
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just give me 30 seconds of your time.
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Two things I wanted to say.
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The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning
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into the show.
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Week after week means the world's all of us.
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And this really is a dream that we absolutely never had
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and couldn't ever imagine getting to this place.
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But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just
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getting started.
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Thank you.
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Dr. Robert, good to have you back. Oh, my pleasure.
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I am particularly fascinated by this term, hostage brain.
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I know you're in the early stages of working on a book about
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this subject,
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but for anyone that doesn't understand,
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so when I look at this word, the hostage brain,
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I think of all the times that I've been out of control.
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And when I say out of control, I'm going to let you define it.
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But when I say out of control, I mean, there's so many things I
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want to do
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as it relates to my health, my fitness, other aspects of my
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life,
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whether it's avoiding eating the cookie to a, in a hotel room
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somewhere,
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or other areas of my life where I want to have greater elements
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of control.
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What does, what do you mean by the hostage brain?
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All of us want to be in control, Stephen.
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I mean, it's the nature of humanity.
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We want to be in control.
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We're going to be in control of our lives.
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Unfortunately, many of us want to be in control of everyone
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else's lives
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as we've seen play out on grand stages lately.
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Okay, everyone wants to be in control.
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And the reason we want to be in control is because then we can
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mitigate threat.
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When you're in control, then threat is low because you're in
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control.
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Problem is we're not in control.
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The more in control, the more a specific area of your brain is
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basically
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glumming on.
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And that area of the brain is known as the amygdala.
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The amygdala is your fear center.
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It's also your 24 hour century, but really what the amygdala is
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,
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it's the point guard on your basketball team.
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Okay, so it surveys the entire court, sees the offense and the
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defense,
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and has to make split second decisions.
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Who's going to score?
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Now, a lousy point guard takes all the shots.
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A good point guard passes off to the guy who has the best shot.
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A great point guard is going to be able to figure out if he's
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going to score,
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or if he's going to pass it off to somebody else.
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If you're in control, your level of threat goes down.
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But really, your control is an illusion.
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You really don't have control.
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And the more you try to exert it, the more you realize you're
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not in control.
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And what that does is that generates an enormous amount of
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stress
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and an enormous amount of pain.
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Now, that pain can turn inward, and we call that depression.
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And right now, 29% of Americans are depressed.
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And 4.4% of the entire world is depressed.
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These numbers were infinitesimal a generation ago.
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And they are basically, you know, just pushing up further and
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further.
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And the reason is because of this inappropriate illusion of
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control.
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And it's causing an enormous amount of pain.
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How do you modify that pain?
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How do you basically deal with the psychological pain of lack
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of control
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that you yourself put upon yourself?
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Well, we have loads of ways.
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Cocaine, amphetamine, nicotine, alcohol, sugar, gambling,
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social media,
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internet gaming, pornography, pick your hoism.
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That's dopamine.
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Dopamine basically provides you with a little bit of pleasure
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on top of a whole lot of pain.
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The problem is that dopamine is addictive.
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And so when you apply a set of pleasures to try to deal with
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your pain of lack of control that puts you into a never-ending
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cycle
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of consumption and misery, that's the hostage brain.
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What do I need to understand about dopamine in order to,
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because I think sometimes
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awareness is step one in being able to do something about
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a problem that you might have.
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So what do I need to understand about what dopamine is and what
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it's doing
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in my brain and how it's associated with addiction
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to then be able to do something about it which I consider step
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two?
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So dopamine basically has two functions.
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The first is learning. There's no learning without dopamine.
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Anytime you learn something, whether it's positive or negative,
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it's because there was a dopamine release.
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When you put your hand down on a hot stove when you were three
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years old
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and went, "Oh, I'm never doing that again."
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Okay, that was dopamine that did that.
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Okay, and what it did was it went to your amygdala and it re
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wired it.
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That was a rewiring of your amygdala due to the excitatory
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neurostimulus of that dopamine affecting an area of your brain
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called the basalateral amygdala. Okay, and it laid down and it
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set up a circuit
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and that circuit is still working in you right now.
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Okay, so dopamine is the learning neurotransmitter.
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It can be for negative learning. It can be for positive
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learning either way.
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Dopamine is also when it's going to another area of the brain
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called the nucleus accumbens, which is the reward center.
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That is a stimulus for reward. That is the motivation for
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reward.
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That is in one word for play. Okay, that is the excitement.
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The reason for continuing any given behavior. Okay, you get
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both out of dopamine.
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Okay, and in short, small bursts in the right venue,
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that's how we navigate life. We navigate it through learning,
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and we navigate it through reward. You can't do it without
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dopamine.
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Dopamine is good unless it's bad, and as you know, everything
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in science
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is both good and bad. The problem is chronic overstimulation of
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any neuron
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leads to neuronal cell death. Dopamine is a chronic stimulator,
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and so if you have chronic dopamine being released,
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what's going to happen is you're going to kill the next neuron.
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Now, that neuron doesn't want to die. So it down regulates the
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receptors for dopamine,
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so that it's less likely that one dopamine over here is going
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to find the receptor
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over here to bind to because there are a few of them. So what
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this means is more and more
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for less and less, and we call that phenomenon tolerance, more
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dopamine, more tolerance,
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so the law of diminishing returns. So you get a hit, you get a
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rush,
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it'd be a sugar, alcohol, whatever it might be. Pick your
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pornography, yeah. Pick your poison,
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doesn't matter. You get a rush, receptors go down next time you
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need a bigger hit to get the
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same rush, receptors go down, and then you get a bigger hit and
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a bigger hit until finally,
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you get a huge hit to get nothing. That's called tolerance, and
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then when the neurons actually
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start to die, that's called addiction. So tolerance is the
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start of addiction, and the problem is
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more dopamine, more tolerance, more tolerance, more addiction.
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So people that are getting addicted to unhealthy foods and
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sugars and those kinds of things,
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what's going on in that brain? So at first, the first time they
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taste it, whatever it is,
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whether it's a fruit loop or a candy corn or a frappuccino or
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pick your poison,
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you get this big sugar bomb going off in your head, and you go,
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wow, this is great. I want some
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more of this. I'm going to show you down the whole frappuccino,
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okay. And what you've done is you've
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basically hit your nucleus Cummins with a big slug of dopamine,
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and you go, wow, that was great.
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And then an hour later, it's gone, and then you go, God, I need
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that again.
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So the first time you got it, you liked it. The second time you
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did it, you wanted it,
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and the third time you needed it. So that's the difference
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between liking and wanting and needing,
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okay, because liking we all do, and no one wants to take away
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liking. One thing gets into problems,
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because you can over abuse things. Needing is when you actually
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have a biochemical and medical
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problem. So with all of this in mind, if I've got a sugar
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problem or if I've got an addiction
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problem, I'm addicted to insert poison. What is the remedy?
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Just avoid it for a while,
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and then if that is the remedy, what's going on in my brain? Is
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it fixing itself?
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There are many remedies, okay, and they can all be used in
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conjunction with each other.
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Ultimately, the only thing that's going to work is getting
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those dopamine receptors back up.
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Remember, I told you dopamine down regulates its own receptor.
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The only way you're going to be
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able to fix the problem is for the dopamine receptors to come
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back up. There's a trend going on
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right now at the Silicon Valley you may have heard of called
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dopamine fasting.
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Yeah, you've had the word. Basically, people lock themselves up
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in a hotel room for three weeks.
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Don't take a shower and basically take the TVs out of the room
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and try to commune with
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themselves and with nature with no stimuli, with no external
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stimuli. In order to bring their
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dopamine receptors back up, particularly true of cocaine
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addicts because their dopamine receptors
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are way down because after all, cocaine is a dopamine reuptake
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inhibitor. So it's flooding the
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zone with dopamine. Therefore, those receptors are down on the
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sewer. Now, do you have to be that
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severe? No, of course not. But does it work? Takes three weeks.
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You want to do it for three weeks?
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Then it works. Other ways, you can wean yourself off. You can
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do abstinence. If you can do
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abstinence, that's a good idea. Hard to do, especially when it
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's staring at you and when it's
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available 24/7, 365, like sugar is. It's everywhere. It's on
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every street corner.
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apparent cravings. That's right.
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Exactly right. The reason is because no sugar in a ketogenic
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diet, so you're basically removing
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the offensive stimulus. I was so shocked. I love those cinnamon
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roll things. Not that I
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probably won every two years, but I love them nonetheless. I'm
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like a big admirer, even though we
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don't have a relationship anymore. When I did the ketogenic
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diet for about us four weeks in,
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I'm not having any sugar or carbohydrates, and I walked up to
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this concession in Cape Town
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with all these amazing cinnamon rolls, like specialists, and I
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looked at them. There was zero
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parts of my brain that was interested in any of it. The zero
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part of my brain, and I was like,
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wow, my brain has been rewired or something, just because I've
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removed sugar from my diet.
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It happens, but it takes a while. It's not something that you
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can turn on and off.
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It takes a fair amount of time. I will tell you that this is
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one of the things I did in my
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obesity clinic on a daily basis, was getting people off their
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sugar addiction.
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Sometimes you have to basically babysit them. You have to work
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with them and work with their
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parents in order to basically turn over the entire pantry,
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because the sugar is hidden in
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all the foods. It's the 262 names for sugar, and the food
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industry uses all of them.
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This is why we are trying to get sugar addiction and ultra-
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processed food addiction codified
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by the WHO and by the American Psychiatric Association as a bon
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afide diagnosis so that we can get
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remediation and therapy for people. One of the things that was
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one of the most popular parts of
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our conversation last time, Robert, was there's a section where
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we talked about the different types of
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sugar and diet cokes and coke zeros and all these kinds of
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things. I can see a couple of
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cans on the desk over there where jack is in the darkness that
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I can vaguely see, and these
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cans of fizzy drink, they all have some kind of sugar
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substitute. Are those sugar substitutes
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homeness? No, of course not. A paper just came out like three
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days ago in annals of neurology,
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basically showing that non-nutritive sweetener consumption, so
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diet sweetener consumption correlates
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with dementia, and we think we know why. Why? Reactive oxygen
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species, so oxygen radicals,
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little chemicals that are given off from various substances
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that cause changes in energy metabolism
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in cells and also cause damage in cells. Are oeses reactive
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oxygen species? The famous ones
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are spartame and suculose. Now, do monk fruit extract, do stev
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ia, does allulose, also cause reactive
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oxygen species. I very specifically looked for data on those
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could not find it, but for
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spartame and for suculose, the two biggest ones that are
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available today, the ones that are used
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in a lot of diet drinks, huge amounts of ROS generation. So
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reactive oxygen species generation.
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So anything that generates ROS is contributes to dementia. Is
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the evidence strong at this stage?
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Yeah, it's pretty darn strong. I'm actually giving a talk about
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this next week in San Diego.
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I heard you've got a new theory on the causes of Alzheimer's
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dementia. That's somewhat linked.
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Is it? Is it? Yeah. Can you explain that to me? And you've not
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talked about this publicly yet.
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You've sent a talk about it in a couple of days over here. Let
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me take it back a step, okay?
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There's this organelle inside our brains called mitochondria.
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You've heard of mitochondria.
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Yeah, for the, for your audience, mitochondria, the little
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energy burning factories inside
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each of our cells. What they do is they take food energy and
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turn it into the chemical energy
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that your cell can actually use to power itself. Okay, and that
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chemical energy has a name. It's
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called ATP. Now, if you took biology in high school, you've
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heard of ATP, adenosine triphosphate,
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the energy is in the phosphate bonds. So ATP will give up its
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energy and go to ADP,
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diphosphate, which will then give up its energy and go to AMP
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monophosphate, which will then
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finally go to a denosine. And a denosine binds to the adenosine
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receptor and makes you go to sleep.
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By the way, that's where caffeine works. It blocks the adenos
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ine receptor, keeping you awake
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so that the adenosine can't bind to the adenosine receptor.
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Okay. So that ATP is the currency of the cell.
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That's what makes the cell run. Anything that depletes ATP is
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going to put the cell at risk.
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Okay, because it doesn't have the energy it needs to run. Yeah,
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it's gasoline.
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It's like gasoline. So what happens when you start running out
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of gasoline?
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Well, you break down. You'll break down. So brain fog,
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difficulty concentrating, irritability,
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and ultimately all the way to depression. So the amount of ATP
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within any given neuron
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is the approximate cause of neuronal dysfunction that we see as
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neurocognitive and neurobehavioral
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change. Now, how to mitochondria and how to ROSs fit into this
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mitochondria make ATP.
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But every time they make ATP, they make also make ROSs. There
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are 11 steps in mitochondria,
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and they all give off ROSs. Now, those ROSs are going to damage
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the cell. They have to be gotten
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rid of. They're like toxic fumes. They got to be gotten rid of.
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And so we have a pathway in each
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cell of our body to get rid of the toxic ROSs. Okay. They're
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called antioxidants, like glutathione,
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vitamin E, vitamin C, host of other flavonoids. Okay. Those
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basically quench those reactive oxygen
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species. They go to die. If you do that, then the ROSs
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basically just get funneled away and all
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as well in the cell can keep working. But if for some reason
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those antioxidants aren't up to par,
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if for instance, you're being eating ultra-processed food and
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you can't make your antioxidant
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complement, then the ROS's feedback and what happens is the ROS
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s are basically telling the cell,
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hey, you're shunting too much energy down this pathway because
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I can't clear them. So there's too
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much stuff. So shut it down. And so what happens is that
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instead of funneling the glucose into the
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mitochondria to generate more ATP, it diverts it and it goes
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off into other directions like glycogen,
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which is, and the brain is not good or fat, which is even worse
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. And bottom line, your cell is
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now not energy-producing, like it used to be. It has now been
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reduced in terms of its energy
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capacity. What's that going to do? That's going to reduce ATP
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generation. Okay. That's step one.
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Now step two, there's this stuff called cortisol. Cortisol
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comes from stress. Cortisol comes from
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sleep deprivation. Cortisol comes from exogenous glucocortic
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oids, like steroids being given to people
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for autoimmune disease or for other illnesses. That cortisol
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causes neurons to increase in
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metabolism, it causes them to burn energy faster. Okay. So you
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now have an increased ATP utilization.
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So you have a decreased ATP generation. Now you have an
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increased ATP utilization.
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Now you've got an energy crisis inside each cell. Now your ATP
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can't keep up with the needs of the
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cell. And when that happens, now you've got symptoms, whether
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it's brain fog or irritability or
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all the way to frank depression. Okay. Now step three, there
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are these proteins inside each neuron
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called amyloid precursor peptide, ATP. Okay. So normal protein
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in all cells. Every cell in your body
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has ATP. It needs to stay in solution. And in order for to stay
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in solution, energy has to be applied
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to it in order to keep it in solution. The minute the ATP and
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the cell goes down, they come out of
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solution and they start forming aggregates, which we call pl
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aques. Yeah. Okay. And those plaques
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damage the cell, which then start an inflammatory process
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in the cells next door called the microglia in order to clean
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up the process. And now you've got
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plaques and an inflammation. And now you've got neuronal cell
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death. That's dementia. So it starts
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with an ATP energy crisis moves through plaque and inflammation
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to generate neuronal cell death.
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Well, this is problematic to say the least. And by the way,
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anything that generates ROSs has been associated with Alzheimer
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's, anything that increases ATP
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utilization, like stress, glucocorticoids, fever, autoimmune
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disease, also increases Alzheimer's.
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So anything that increases step one, anything that increases
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step two ultimately leads to increased
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step three and Alzheimer's. So to simplify this in a couple of
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sentences for someone that has
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no scientific understanding, and we're going to have to cut a
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few corners here scientifically in
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order to, to, for them to have a free one to understand it, how
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would you give me some sort of
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analogy for it? Maybe in the context of, I guess, a petrol
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station in a car? Yeah. So I mean, if we're
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basically doing petrol, we're talking energy only. Yeah. Okay.
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So bottom line, your car runs on petrol.
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Okay. The petrol comes in. That's the glucose. And the engine
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powers pistons and the pistons
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then power and axle, and the axle then powers wheels. And you
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go. Yeah. Okay. But there are a lot of
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things that have to go right for all of those things to happen.
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Like for instance, your energy,
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the, the gasoline has to get into the engine in the first place
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. What if you have carbon deposits
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on your intake manifolds? And if you have a problem with any
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one of those steps,
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you're going to end up with a jalapien instead of a sports car.
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I mean, that's what we're seeing in the
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United States over seven million Americans live with Alzheimer
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's. And this is expected to double to
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almost 13 million in the coming decades. Indeed. Because we
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haven't solved the problem.
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That's the mechanism. What is, what is the cause? Right. So we
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know, we know that the cause is
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environmental. Now, people say, Oh, Alzheimer's is genetic
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garbage. There is a genetic component to
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Alzheimer's. I'm not arguing that there is. Okay. This is thing
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called apo E4. And if you have two
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copies of apo E4 on your genome, your risk for getting
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Alzheimer's is nine times the general population.
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That is absolutely true. I don't disagree with that. So apo E4
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is not a good thing. I'm not arguing
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that. Once upon a time in, you know, evolution, having two
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copies of apo E4 was good because it meant
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you got fat up your brain pretty fast. But we don't need that
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right now. That's kind of a,
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an old news kind of a, a, a, of issue. People who have double
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doses of apo E4 are at higher risk.
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There is absolutely no question about that, but they can
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mitigate that risk if they change their diet.
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Okay. They can eat a very low fat diet and, and improve their
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risk down to the general population.
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Okay. Everything else in Alzheimer's is not genetic. By the way
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, that genetic component is only
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5% of all Alzheimer's. So that means 95% of Alzheimer's risk is
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environmental. Now, the question is,
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what in the environment? Well, air pollution, ionizing
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radiation, microplastics.
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Okay. There's nothing you can do about any one of those three.
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That's baked into the cake.
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You can't do anything about those today. What other things?
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Sleep disorder, breathing,
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medications, ultra processed food. Okay. What about ultra
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processed food?
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Frick toes, my favorite, you know, hobby horse, you know, the
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sweet molecule and sugar,
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low omega threes. So no, you know, fish, eggs, chicken. Lack of
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fiber,
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because fiber suppresses inflammation, presence of emulsifiers.
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Okay. B vitamins, lack of B vitamins, particularly B6, B12 fol
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ate.
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Okay. Those things are all associated with an increase in
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reactive oxygen species.
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You can manage those. You can mitigate those.
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They're by increasing mitochondrial function, increasing ATP
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generation, and preventing that cellular
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energy crisis so that you don't end up behind the eight ball,
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and you don't lose your neurons.
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When people tell me that Alzheimer's is associated with having
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a sort of energy crisis in the brain,
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I'm increasingly hearing people talk about ketones. It's
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remarkable the improvement in cognitive
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performance that I feel when I'm fasted or I'm in a ketogenic
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diet, whereas if I'm in a,
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if I've been eating a lot of carbohydrates or sugar, it's like
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my brain is like
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like backfiring. Yeah, it's stumbling over itself. I'm not
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surprised.
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00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.510
Yeah, the food industry tells you, well, carbohydrates are
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energy. Actually, that's not true.
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Carbohydrates inhibit energy production. How do you mean?
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So there's this thing called a bomb calorimeter, and there's
529
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this thing called a mitochondria.
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They're not the same. A bomb calorimeter, you throw food into
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the bomb calorimeter,
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it explodes and it gives off heat. And there's, you know,
533
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captures the heat, measures the heat.
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And that's how we know, for instance, fat burns at nine
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calories per gram, protein burns at four
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calories per gram, carbohydrate burns at four calories per gram
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, which is why fat is more energy
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dense than protein or carbohydrate, which is how we all
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determine the fat major fat.
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And the bomb calorimeter is also how they determine if a bag of
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crisps or chips, whatever you call
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here is 200 calories, because if you put them in there, it will
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release 200 calories of
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energy. Because a calorie is that amount of energy that raises
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one gram of water, one degree
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centigrade. So it is a measure of physics. So the measure of
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heat generation, okay.
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Mitochondria are not bomb calorimeters. They are not capturing
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heat. They are giving off heat.
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They are capturing ATP. No bomb calorimeter captures ATP. Mit
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ochondria capture and generate ATP.
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Now turns out 35 to 40% of what mitochondria generate turns out
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to be heat.
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That's why you have a body temperature is from that. And so you
555
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will never have a 100%
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energy efficient mitochondria. Because if you did, okay, you
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would have a body temperature of,
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you know, room temperature, okay, and you'd be dead. That's not
559
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the way it works. Bottom line,
560
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that transfer of food energy to chemical energy loses energy in
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the process, okay.
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The bomb calorimeter can't tell the difference, but your
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mitochondria can. Ultimately,
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it's how efficient are your mitochondria at converting food
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energy to ATP?
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The bomb calorimeter can't tell you anything about that. So
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these two phenomena,
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you know, the concept of calories as fuel and the concept of
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calories as generators of ATP
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have really very little to do with each other. And it turns out
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that there are individual
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things in food, the famous one is fructose, but there are
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others, lectins and others that actually
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inhibit the mitochondrial generation of ATP. So they actually
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inhibit your ability to turn food
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energy into chemical energy. If that's the case, even if they
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have calories per gram and a bomb
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calorimeter, if they're interfering with mitochondrial function
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, are they food?
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What is the definition of food, substrate that contributes
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either to growth or burning of an organism?
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Well, I just told you, fructose actually inhibits burning.
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Turns out, fructose also inhibits growth,
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it inhibits cortical bone growth, trabecular bone growth,
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cancels bone growth, bottom line,
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people who eat ultra-process food end up shorter. We have the
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data for that. So if a substrate that
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passes your lips does not contribute to growth and does not
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contribute to burning, is it a food?
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I guess not. I guess not. What is it then? It's a poison.
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And how much of our diet do you think is poison? I found out.
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Ultra-process food is loaded with them. Real food is not loaded
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with them. You can still find them,
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but not loaded with them. Ultra-process food has, in my opinion
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, five things wrong with it.
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Too much sugar, which poisons your mitochondria. Not in a fiber
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, which is necessary to suppress
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00:33:40.040 --> 00:33:44.260
inflammation. Not enough omega, three fatty acids, which are
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necessary to build your brain, conduct
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00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.060
neurotransmission. Too many emulsifiers, which leads to gut
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inflammation and therefore systemic
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00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.800
inflammation. And then we can throw on top of that. The food
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dies in food additives, which are
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mutagenic because they're, you know, petroleum-based. That's
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ultra-process food.
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Ultra-process food has been associated with every single one of
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these diseases,
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including every single mental health disease, especially
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dementia, as we now have seen.
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Ultra-process food is specifically associated with dementia.
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And even diet sweeteners are associated
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with dementia through this reactive oxygen species pathway. The
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sugar industry can't be your
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biggest fan. They're not. I'm trying to help them, though. You
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00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:34.840
know, I am trying to help them.
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Last year, not too long after we had our previous session, I
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was the keynote speaker
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at the fourth international sugar reduction summit in Atlanta,
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Georgia, Daniel and the lion's
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dead. And, you know, like, why would they invite me? I am, you
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know, I'm their conscience.
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I said, I told them, I said, I don't want to be your enemy. I
623
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want to be your conscience.
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I want you to do the right thing. Okay. Ultimately, look, ultra
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-process food's not going away.
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As much as I would like it to, it's not going to go away. And I
627
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'm not even sure we wanted to go away
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because we got to feed 10 billion people by the year 2050. And
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we're not going to have enough land
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and ocean to do it. Ultimately, ultra-process food is here to
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stay. It is baked into the cake.
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But the question is, can we make ultra-process food healthy?
633
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Right now, they're not. Right now, what's going on in the U.S.
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food industry is doing the exact opposite.
635
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It's making food disastrously disease-producing. The question
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is, could you change that? And the
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answer is yes, you can. In fact, we've done it. We have been
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doing it. Five years ago, I started
639
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working with an offshore food company, Gratus, by the way, no
640
00:36:09.310 --> 00:36:11.640
money, changed hands. And so,
641
00:36:11.640 --> 00:36:14.210
they came to me and they said, look, we know we're part of the
642
00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:15.720
problem. We want to be part of the
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solution. We know that Kuwait has an 18% diabetes rate and an
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80% obesity rate. And we don't want
645
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to be the reason. We want to be the help. Can you help us
646
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figure out how to make metabolically
647
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healthy processed food? So, I convened a scientific advisory
648
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team of five members. And we worked for
649
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the next three years, looked at every single process, every
650
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procedure, every vendor, every ingredient,
651
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.180
every product, sent them all for biochemical analysis. To
652
00:36:56.180 --> 00:36:59.000
figure out what's going into the food,
653
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.190
what's coming out of the food is the food metabolically healthy
654
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. What has to be done? How does it
655
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need to be re-engineered to lead to something that is metabol
656
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ically healthy? And we came up with a set
657
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of principles, which we published in Frontiers and Nutrition in
658
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2023. And we call it the metabolic
659
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matrix. And we basically collapsed it down to nine words. Three
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clauses, nine words. Protect the
661
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:32.290
liver, feed the gut, support the brain. That's it. Those three
662
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things. Anything that passes your lips,
663
00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:39.690
that protects the liver, feeds the gut, supports the brain is
664
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healthy, whether it's ultra
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processed or not. Anything that passes your lips, that doesn't
666
00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:48.680
none of the three, is poison,
667
00:37:48.680 --> 00:37:52.840
whether it's ultra processed or not. So, it's actually not the
668
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ultra processing.
669
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It's whether or not it contributes to metabolic health. So then
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we started re-engineering products
671
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in the KDD line, and they have 180 items in their portfolio. We
672
00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:12.600
have re-engineered 10% of them, 18 products
673
00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:16.650
to become metabolically healthy. And we have tested them on
674
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people in Kuwait to demonstrate
675
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.470
their metabolic benefit. What is there on the shelves now? But
676
00:38:23.470 --> 00:38:24.840
it's in there, is there a trade-off
677
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there? Because those products might sell worse now that they've
678
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removed the stuff that makes
679
00:38:30.200 --> 00:38:36.440
addictive? No. So we didn't tell the public that we were doing
680
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.240
this. We just did it. And they
681
00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:44.470
just reintroduced them to the public and didn't tell them. And
682
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they didn't miss a friggin beat
683
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in terms of sales and in terms of profits. But I mean, tell
684
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them, and it works. Logically though,
685
00:38:56.120 --> 00:39:02.050
the bad stuff often makes the food more addictive. And that's
686
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why this is so cool.
687
00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:09.960
It didn't change consumption and it didn't change profits. And
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that's what they care about.
689
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.200
Ultimately, I don't care if consumption changes as long as
690
00:39:15.200 --> 00:39:16.120
profits don't.
691
00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:22.440
This can be done by other food industries. We're trying to get
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them on board. And, you know,
693
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I have lots to say about RFK. But he has at least convened a
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discussion on what's wrong with
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ultra-process food. And we're hoping to be able to enter that
696
00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:41.720
conversation.
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00:39:41.720 --> 00:39:46.520
RFK is the health leader, I guess, ahead of health and human
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services here in the United States.
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00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.530
You have a lot to say about him. I have boatloads to say about
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00:39:51.530 --> 00:39:53.800
him, most of which you can't print.
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What's your general opinion of him in his role in what he's
702
00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:01.800
doing, etc?
703
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.830
I've been asked to serve in this administration four times. And
704
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I've said no each time.
705
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And it's not because I don't want to be, I do. But it's because
706
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my opinion and his opinion
707
00:40:14.680 --> 00:40:17.320
would basically get me thrown out after about five seconds.
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What's the difference? I wouldn't last a second. What's the
709
00:40:22.200 --> 00:40:22.920
difference in opinion?
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00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:30.510
All right, RFK has five buckets in his portfolio. Food on mom
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board.
712
00:40:33.560 --> 00:40:37.980
Farm of transparency. I'm on board. Chemicals in the
713
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environment. I'm on board.
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00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:46.360
Water fluoridation. I'm partially on board.
715
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You could get the fluoride out of the water, but first you got
716
00:40:49.640 --> 00:40:50.760
to get the sugar out of the food.
717
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.950
You can't just take the fluoride out of the water or everybody
718
00:40:53.950 --> 00:40:54.120
will get
719
00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:57.040
Mountain Dew mouth all at the same time. And that would be a
720
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complete and utter disaster.
721
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Has to be done in a coordinated public health, PSA driven
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00:41:03.640 --> 00:41:07.160
campaign with everyone on board, including
723
00:41:07.160 --> 00:41:10.840
the food industry and the medical profession and government.
724
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.050
And to explain that, there's fluoride in the water in the
725
00:41:13.050 --> 00:41:14.600
United States because there's so much
726
00:41:14.600 --> 00:41:17.520
sugar. There's so much sugar in the food. You wouldn't need
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fluoride in the water
728
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:22.270
if you didn't have sugar in the food. Just explain this. So the
729
00:41:22.270 --> 00:41:23.640
United States put fluoride in the
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00:41:23.640 --> 00:41:27.910
water to stop dental carries, which protects people's teeth,
731
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which protects people's teeth.
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00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.520
The point is that only half the countries in the world have
733
00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:34.760
fluoride in the water.
734
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The others don't. And the reason is because they don't have
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sugar in the food. The only reason
736
00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:43.210
you need to put the fluoride in the water is because the sugar
737
00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:45.160
in the food causes the dental carries.
738
00:41:45.720 --> 00:41:51.380
Now, the fluoride reduces the prevalence of dental carries by
739
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about 30 to 40%.
740
00:41:53.800 --> 00:42:01.040
Dental carries cavities by about 30 to 40%. Now, the problem
741
00:42:01.040 --> 00:42:03.880
with fluoride is at high dose,
742
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it can be a neurotoxin. Now, the goal is for public fluor
743
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.240
idation to stay way below that.
744
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:20.170
Now, do they? Not really. Sometimes they go above. So normal
745
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fluoride concentrations,
746
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when you're doing it as a public health effort, should be
747
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between 0.3 and 0.9 parts per million.
748
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Sometimes it goes up to 1.5 parts per million. And at 1.5, it
749
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becomes a neurotoxin.
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So it's a purely dose issue. But one of the reasons why people
751
00:42:41.640 --> 00:42:42.680
are screaming about getting
752
00:42:42.680 --> 00:42:46.460
fluoride out of the water is because it can be a neurotoxin. It
753
00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:48.440
's not supposed to be in doses that
754
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:55.100
are appropriate. But people don't look at the data. Point is,
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you could get the fluoride out of the
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water. But if you got the fluoride out of the water and didn't
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take the sugar out of the food,
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we'd have more dental carries, we'd have more anesthesia, we'd
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have more teeth pulling,
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we'd have more sepsis, we'd have more dental abscesses, we'd
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have more soldiers dying in the field.
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It's a matter of national security. So you can't just do it. It
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requires a coordinated effort.
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Is there anything else you disagree with him on? And then
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finally, bucket number five vaccines.
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I am a pediatrician. I am not a vaccine expert to be sure. I am
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not an immunologist to be sure.
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But I am a pediatrician. And I know a lot about vaccines. And I
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know a lot about the infectious diseases
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that those vaccines were set up to basically prevent. And I
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have taken care of all eight
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of the diseases that we have child immunizations for, mumps,
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measles, rubella,
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diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, H-flu, polio. I've taken care
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of all eight of those.
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And I will tell you right now, when I take care of those, it's
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because of someone who didn't get
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vaccinated. And when I take care of those, okay, the chances
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are 90% that that kid's going to die.
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RFK is not. RFK says he can tell whether someone has
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mitochondrial function, dysfunction,
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just by looking at them. I'm a mitochondriologist. I can't.
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Ultimately, RFK's view of vaccines is, shall we say, his and
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his alone.
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And it's not shared by the medical community. And I will not be
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part and parcel to 3,000 measles
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deaths because of a blanket distained for vaccines and vaccine
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technology, which has worked beautifully
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to save 154 million people on this earth over the last 50 years
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.
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Yeah, you know, I don't, I don't talk about this stuff a lot.
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But I was,
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I'm pretty sure at least one of my siblings was saved by
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vaccination when we were in Africa
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and we had malaria. I think if I'm accurate here, I had malaria
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. My brother's had malaria.
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And I think I was the one that didn't get the malaria vaccine
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and then I ended up in
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hospital as a very young age with with malaria. I was like
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hallucinating and stuff like that.
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And obviously as someone that was born in Africa, I think you
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probably have a clearer understanding
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of the role that vaccines can play in in good health. You know,
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it's, it's, it's, um, it's quite
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concerning because when you speak to any scientist like all of
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the majority of the living scientists,
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they're very extremely pro, pro vaccine. But we've seen both
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sides. We've seen what happens
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when there's no vaccine and we've seen what happens when there
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is vaccine. And this is not to say
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that there can be side effects to vaccines. And the vaccine
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manufacturers and scientists talk
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about those side effects as well. But the, the thing that I
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think people should focus on is the net,
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go to that vaccines have done for, for the last centuries in
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eradicating illnesses and avoiding
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disease. And my concern, just to close off this point is my
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concern is if there is to be some kind
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of outbreak, anytime soon, we're in such a cloud of
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misinformation around vaccines that I,
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I worry people might make the wrong decisions. Interestingly,
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there was a measles outbreak in Texas
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recently in RFK at one point, did eventually prompt the federal
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deployment of M, M, M, our MMR vaccines
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and expressed support for them. Um, because there was a big
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outbreak of measles in, in Texas
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very recently. I'm going to tell you something now that I have
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not talked about in public.
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I had a half an hour with RFK on the phone one on one back in
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December of 2024. After the Trump,
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uh, election and RFK was starting to convene his, um, team. And
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I was asked to join it. And so I got
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a half hour with him. And I will relate to you now for your
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public so that they understand
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what that conversation entailed. Basically two threads, by the
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way, we're supposed to talk about
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food. We didn't talk about food. We talked about vaccines. And
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here were the two threads. First
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thread, there are three papers in the medical literature that
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say that vaccines do more harm than
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good. And he quoted them at me. And I wrote them down. And I
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went and looked them up afterwards.
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And indeed they say where he says they said that it's unconsc
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ionable that
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vaccines do more harm than good. And we're giving them to
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newborns. No, it is true that those three papers do
847
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say this. There are 50,000 that say opposite. Okay. Second
848
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thing he said, a woman gives birth to a healthy
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baby. That healthy baby gets a shot under the skin. And now
850
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that baby is not healthy anymore.
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That's a tort, a legal tort. Okay. And in fact, you could argue
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that that is a, in fact, a legal tort
853
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because, you know, duty, negligence, you know, all the way down
854
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to damages. Okay.
855
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What's the remedy for tort? I said lawsuit. He says, right. But
856
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that mom can't sue because of
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the vaccine and demnification act of 1986. So that mom
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basically has a damaged baby and no
859
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recourse. That's unconstitutional. Those were the two threads
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of our half hour discussion.
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Everything he said is absolutely true and irrelevant. They
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demonstrate basically confirmation bias
863
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and he's a lawyer. He believes in precedent. I'm a doctor. I
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believe in probability.
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There's always a risk benefit ratio unless you're a lawyer in
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which case there's only risk.
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And that's how he sees the world. She's the world is risk. I
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don't. I wouldn't have lasted five seconds.
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I think we're both on the same page in terms of making sure
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people have the right information
871
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as it relates to probability. We, you know, everything we do in
872
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our life is a factor of probability.
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Whether I got a taxi to come here this morning, I understood
874
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the probability of that taxi
875
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crashing into another car, but I decided to get in the car and
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come here anyway.
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We all deal with these risks every single day. I want to say on
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this on this point of
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vaccines that there's obviously it's almost but it's become
880
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quite a political issue and there's
881
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two, there's two sides. And one side, which is more of the RFK
882
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side, is incredibly skeptical.
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They have their opinion. Then there's the other side which
884
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tends to be dominated more by
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the scientists, if I interview scientists a lot. So I know that
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pretty much everyone I've interviewed
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that's a scientist would agree that, you know, there's there
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are side effects but
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net net vaccines. It depends on how you look at it. If you look
890
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at it through a public health lens,
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the vaccines do more good than harm. And and if you look at it
892
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from a purely individual lens,
893
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then you say, wait a second. I didn't get the disease, but I
894
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got the shot and I have a vaccine
895
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injury. Therefore, I have been subjected to a tort. I would
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just like to close this
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section by telling people that if there is a health crisis in
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the near future, some kind of
899
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.080
viral outbreak, like we saw with the pandemic, to make sure you
900
00:51:42.080 --> 00:51:44.280
get your information from sources
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00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.480
that are highly credible. And those sorts of should not include
902
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.200
, they should not include,
903
00:51:50.200 --> 00:51:53.690
frankly, they should not include podcasts. They should they
904
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should not include social media,
905
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they should include places like I'd recommend checking out a
906
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website called consensus. I have no
907
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.800
affiliation with them, but consensus allows you to type in a
908
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.920
question you have about health
909
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:11.400
vaccines, whatever it might be. And it shows you what the peer
910
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.440
reviewed studies say and what the
911
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.080
consensus is. So for example, I was I was using the website a
912
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couple of days ago to try and understand
913
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something. My type in, does this particular, is this particular
914
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thing healthy or unhealthy? And it
915
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comes up with this bar, the team will show it on the screen.
916
00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:27.480
And it shows you how much of the
917
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scientific research supports that idea. So it said like 70% of
918
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the scientific research says it
919
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was positive. It said 25% said it was neutral. And 5% said we
920
00:52:37.150 --> 00:52:40.520
kind of don't know or all negative.
921
00:52:40.520 --> 00:52:43.350
And I think that's a really great tool because there's so much
922
00:52:43.350 --> 00:52:44.840
information out there. And there's
923
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.790
so many studies and there's one study that says this and
924
00:52:46.790 --> 00:52:48.680
another that says this. So using tools like
925
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that I think is a much better way to make your health decisions
926
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than podcasts like this or
927
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.160
TikToks or Instagrams or tweets because nothing I want to say
928
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is you might not know this. I'm
929
00:53:00.600 --> 00:53:03.520
just speaking directly to my audience here, but you're
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00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:06.200
currently in an algorithmic echo chamber. And
931
00:53:06.200 --> 00:53:08.650
if you want to know what I mean by that is the algorithm that
932
00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:10.760
you have on any of your feeds has been
933
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.970
personalized to give you more of the stuff that either scares
934
00:53:13.970 --> 00:53:16.600
you, frightens you, concerns you,
935
00:53:16.600 --> 00:53:19.430
et cetera. And if you want to prove this, go and ask your best
936
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friend or someone else a member of the
937
00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:24.940
public to look at their feed. I had really, I remember probably
938
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two years ago I asked my best friend
939
00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:30.730
if I could just look at his Twitter feed. And it was completely
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00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:32.600
different from mine. For one,
941
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there was no Manchester United and it was all livable. But then
942
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all of the information was
943
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.630
completely different as well. And so we're living in these echo
944
00:53:39.630 --> 00:53:41.720
chambers where misinformation or
945
00:53:41.720 --> 00:53:43.810
things we believe it's been reinforced positively and
946
00:53:43.810 --> 00:53:45.640
negatively. So you need a strategy for
947
00:53:45.640 --> 00:53:48.210
information, especially as it relates to health. I couldn't
948
00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:49.880
agree more. The fact matter is
949
00:53:50.600 --> 00:53:56.260
these algorithms are designed to keep you engaged. They are not
950
00:53:56.260 --> 00:53:58.120
designed to keep you informed.
951
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It's just that simple. The other problem, of course, is
952
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.000
confirmation bias. If you have confirmation
953
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.770
bias, you will only seek out the information that reconfirms
954
00:54:08.770 --> 00:54:11.560
your bias. And that's what we
955
00:54:11.560 --> 00:54:14.540
didn't used to have, but that's what we have now. That's what's
956
00:54:14.540 --> 00:54:15.480
about to play out in the comment
957
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.220
section whenever we talk about subjects like vaccines is, there
958
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will be a group of people who have
959
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their own opinions on it and you're entitled to your opinion.
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00:54:24.390 --> 00:54:26.520
And they will go at war to confirm
961
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and prove that opinion. And there will be another group of
962
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people who have a different opinion.
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And they'll go at war to confirm that opinion. What I love and
964
00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:35.480
hopefully what I think my audience
965
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:43.630
understand me for is I try and remain open minded. And that's
966
00:54:43.630 --> 00:54:45.720
like a really fucking hard thing to do.
967
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I saw a journalist the day they said, they were trying to place
968
00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:51.080
me politically and they said,
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we think Stephen is apolitical. And I think that's probably an
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00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:55.480
app description of my
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Indians because I would consider that a high compliment. It's
972
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an amazing compliment.
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I have views but I don't sign up to any particular cult. And
974
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you know you're in a cult when you're
975
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views 99% represent the person who's also in the cult because
976
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logically that should never be the
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case. That should never be the case. I agree. You know, cults
978
00:55:21.350 --> 00:55:24.040
are a part and parcel of society
979
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unfortunately. I've watched so many entrepreneurs treat sales
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like a performance problem when it's
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often down to visibility because when you can't see what's
982
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happening in your pipeline,
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what stage each conversation is that, what's stalled, what's
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and they have me and you in their ears and they know that sugar
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00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.200
is bad. They know ultra
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00:56:38.200 --> 00:56:43.700
process food is bad. They still are struggling with a little
1006
00:56:43.700 --> 00:56:46.680
bit of fat, other sort of diseases,
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00:56:46.680 --> 00:56:49.250
they're probably on the trajectory to some form of chronic
1008
00:56:49.250 --> 00:56:50.760
disease, maybe Alzheimer's, maybe
1009
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.260
dementia, maybe a form of cancer. What do we have if we're
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00:56:54.260 --> 00:56:57.800
talking, let's name her or him? Let's call her
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00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.850
Jenny. Jenny's listening right now. Jenny and Dave, they're
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00:57:01.850 --> 00:57:03.480
both sat there, they're the average
1013
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:07.800
American. What do we say to Jenny and Dave to get them to
1014
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:11.880
change their lives? The first thing
1015
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:19.060
that you have to say to them is, who are you? Do you know? Do
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00:57:19.060 --> 00:57:23.240
you know who you are? Because if they don't
1017
00:57:23.240 --> 00:57:27.570
know who they are, then nothing else is going to matter. They
1018
00:57:27.570 --> 00:57:29.720
have to be comfortable in their own
1019
00:57:29.720 --> 00:57:34.630
skin and they're not. The reason that they have glommed on to
1020
00:57:34.630 --> 00:57:37.480
ultra-process food is it's providing them
1021
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:45.160
with a dopamine hit. It's probably the only thing that even
1022
00:57:45.160 --> 00:57:47.480
remotely gives them pleasure.
1023
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.760
And if that's all the pleasure they get in their lives, you're
1024
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.880
never going to fix it because that's
1025
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:03.440
all they've got. So the question is, sorting your priorities at
1026
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:07.080
the individual level, what's
1027
00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:11.930
important to you? What's a primary importance? Love,
1028
00:58:11.930 --> 00:58:16.200
relationships. What's a secondary importance?
1029
00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:24.510
Pleasure, food, drugs. If you don't have any of the love,
1030
00:58:24.510 --> 00:58:26.440
relationships, stability
1031
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:32.570
in your life, there's no amount of food or drugs that's going
1032
00:58:32.570 --> 00:58:34.600
to be able to make up for that.
1033
00:58:36.040 --> 00:58:40.090
So who are you? What is it that really matters to you? And
1034
00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:42.360
until you answer that question,
1035
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.800
honestly and affirmatively, you're never going to get past us.
1036
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.320
So let me roleplay as Jenny and Dave.
1037
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:54.440
You've asked me, who am I? I am 30 years old and I work this
1038
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.240
job. I don't, it drops okay. I don't
1039
00:58:57.240 --> 00:59:00.600
love it. It's not lighting me up. I'm single. I'm living in
1040
00:59:00.600 --> 00:59:04.360
this, this city. And yeah, I'm just, you know,
1041
00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:09.210
handling along, kind of like on the, on the treadmill of life.
1042
00:59:09.210 --> 00:59:12.040
And how much stress are you under?
1043
00:59:12.040 --> 00:59:14.510
A lot of stress. A whole lot. Every time I open my phone, it's
1044
00:59:14.510 --> 00:59:15.960
stressful, my emails, my work,
1045
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.580
because this thing going on with this person, I think my mom's
1046
00:59:18.580 --> 00:59:19.880
got a problem with this thing
1047
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:24.040
and how health is deteriorating. So imagine what that's doing
1048
00:59:24.040 --> 00:59:26.360
to the ATP in your brain.
1049
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:31.130
What's it doing? It's depleting it like crazy. Number one, you
1050
00:59:31.130 --> 00:59:32.520
have mitochondrial dysfunction from
1051
00:59:32.520 --> 00:59:36.110
all the shit you ate. And from the, you know, unfortunately
1052
00:59:36.110 --> 00:59:37.720
from the air pollution you've been
1053
00:59:37.720 --> 00:59:40.680
breathing. And from the microplastics, you know, that have
1054
00:59:40.680 --> 00:59:42.280
basically taken over your brain,
1055
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.200
one two hundredth of your brain right now, Stephen is micropl
1056
00:59:45.200 --> 00:59:47.160
astics, whether you like it or not.
1057
00:59:47.160 --> 00:59:50.460
So Jenny and Dave probably have more. Okay. And you eat well,
1058
00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:54.520
they don't. All right. So here we are.
1059
00:59:54.520 --> 00:59:58.340
This is, this is the, the substrate. This is the base. The
1060
00:59:58.340 --> 01:00:01.240
question is, how are we going to improve
1061
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:05.470
their ATP generation? How are we going to improve their
1062
01:00:05.470 --> 01:00:07.880
mitochondrial function? How are we going to get
1063
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:12.300
those, their neurons to start responding properly? That's the
1064
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:15.560
question. And do you aim stress as part
1065
01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:20.680
of the solution? Yes, of course. You have to. How can you not?
1066
01:00:20.680 --> 01:00:24.200
Let me give you another quick clinical
1067
01:00:24.200 --> 01:00:30.420
event yet? Recently, I had the opportunity to have an extended
1068
01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:34.040
conversation with a hero of mine,
1069
01:00:34.040 --> 01:00:38.090
Dr. Vivek Murthy, who was the former surgeon general of the
1070
01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:40.600
United States. And we were in London
1071
01:00:40.600 --> 01:00:44.630
together. And I finally sat him down and I said, you know, Vive
1072
01:00:44.630 --> 01:00:46.440
k, I love your, you know,
1073
01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:52.170
espousing of love that we ultimately need to love each other to
1074
01:00:52.170 --> 01:00:53.320
get over these
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01:00:53.320 --> 01:01:00.660
systemic societal travails that we love is what's missing. Here
1076
01:01:00.660 --> 01:01:03.400
's the problem. You can't love if your
1077
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:09.130
brain is inflamed. You can't love if you can't love if your
1078
01:01:09.130 --> 01:01:13.720
brain is inflamed. Of course,
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01:01:13.720 --> 01:01:18.070
the reason for the inflamed brain is the ultra process food and
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01:01:18.070 --> 01:01:19.720
all the things we talked about,
1081
01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:22.500
the reactive oxygen species, the cortisol, etcetera that we
1082
01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:23.640
talked about before.
1083
01:01:23.640 --> 01:01:27.080
So you saying people that are metabolically unhealthy that are
1084
01:01:27.080 --> 01:01:28.360
having inflamed brains that are
1085
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:34.020
under stress have a reduced ability to love. Yes, it's exactly
1086
01:01:34.020 --> 01:01:37.080
what I'm saying. They can't love
1087
01:01:37.080 --> 01:01:40.390
themselves and they can't love anyone around them. Explain the
1088
01:01:40.390 --> 01:01:44.120
signs that serotonin. What is
1089
01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:48.980
serotonin? Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is necessary
1090
01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:51.800
for eudimonia for being able to be
1091
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.450
content. Oxytocin is the love neurotransmitter, the
1092
01:01:55.450 --> 01:01:58.440
reproduction neurotransmitter, the safety
1093
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:04.990
neurotransmitter. The cortisol causes the methylation of the
1094
01:02:04.990 --> 01:02:08.520
oxytocin receptor. Now the oxytocin
1095
01:02:08.520 --> 01:02:13.810
can't work so you can't feel safe and the serotonin is
1096
01:02:13.810 --> 01:02:16.440
necessary to basically suppress that
1097
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.610
inflammation in the amygdala. That's actually causing the bucks
1098
01:02:22.610 --> 01:02:26.840
hot, the inability to surgically
1099
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.340
strike like we talked about before being that lousy point guard
1100
01:02:30.340 --> 01:02:34.440
. So I said to him you can't love
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01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:38.950
if your brain is inflamed and he thanked me and he, you know, I
1102
01:02:38.950 --> 01:02:40.120
thought that was the end of that
1103
01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:44.440
and I'm not going to bother him anymore. Two weeks ago, I got
1104
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.600
an email from Vivek saying I thought
1105
01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:49.840
about what you said in half way through your book and let's
1106
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.840
talk. You can't love if your brain is
1107
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.660
inflamed. I was just looking at a study that says high cortisol
1108
01:02:55.660 --> 01:02:57.400
levels in a mom during pregnancy can
1109
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.880
affect the babies, oxytocin receptors, meaning they'll feel
1110
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.440
less safe. Exactly right.
1111
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:07.240
And epigenetic happens even before birth.
1112
01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:11.290
I'm trying to play out, so I'm trying to form a couple of
1113
01:03:11.290 --> 01:03:13.640
hypotheses here around what this might
1114
01:03:13.640 --> 01:03:16.830
mean in practice. So I mean in the case of the mother, if the
1115
01:03:16.830 --> 01:03:20.280
mother was under a lot of stress
1116
01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:24.850
that resulted in cortisol, then the babies oxytocin receptors
1117
01:03:24.850 --> 01:03:26.920
which are the bonding chemical of
1118
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.280
within humans, the bonding hormone is going to be depleted. So
1119
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:31.720
if I had a really stressful
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01:03:31.720 --> 01:03:39.020
mother during my conception or whatever that don't pregnancy,
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01:03:39.020 --> 01:03:41.640
there's a probability,
1122
01:03:41.640 --> 01:03:44.830
there's a causal probability that I might be less good at
1123
01:03:44.830 --> 01:03:46.040
bonding with people.
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01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:50.650
There we are. That's exactly what we're saying. But I guess
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01:03:50.650 --> 01:03:52.520
also that can take place after pregnancy.
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01:03:52.520 --> 01:03:57.800
Yeah, it's a continual process. The question is can it be
1127
01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:59.480
undone and the answer is yes,
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01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.480
but with a lot of work.
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01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:08.330
And you have to have the baseline substrate to be able to do it
1130
01:04:08.330 --> 01:04:08.760
.
1131
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.640
There's a bit of what's the term when something becomes a
1132
01:04:13.640 --> 01:04:15.080
little bit self-fulfilling where
1133
01:04:15.080 --> 01:04:19.320
kind of topology? What I'm saying is if someone's lonely,
1134
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.600
extremely lonely, and they are in a single
1135
01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:27.960
apartment alone, which is increasingly a lot of people, then I
1136
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:29.560
've raised them in basements.
1137
01:04:29.560 --> 01:04:33.000
Yeah, but even in major cities like London and New York etc. So
1138
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:33.800
many people live in a little
1139
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:37.130
shoebox alone. And I saw the studies that show the average
1140
01:04:37.130 --> 01:04:38.680
person used to have XM at
1141
01:04:38.680 --> 01:04:41.520
friends to turn to an atomic crisis. Now they have on average
1142
01:04:41.520 --> 01:04:43.640
it's like one or zero. So loneliness
1143
01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:46.610
is up. And then I also saw some research that said when people
1144
01:04:46.610 --> 01:04:48.360
are lonely, their body goes into
1145
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.730
a state where they sleep worse, they're more stressed, they're
1146
01:04:53.730 --> 01:04:56.120
more bitter to people.
1147
01:04:56.120 --> 01:04:59.480
And I can't remember the term for that, but it's like this
1148
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:01.720
heightened sensitivity and the thesis
1149
01:05:01.720 --> 01:05:05.180
is that once upon a time in an evolutionary context, if you
1150
01:05:05.180 --> 01:05:07.560
lost your tribe, you would have to be
1151
01:05:07.560 --> 01:05:10.750
more on edge to survive. That's your amygdala. And if that's
1152
01:05:10.750 --> 01:05:12.680
the case then, it means that it would
1153
01:05:12.680 --> 01:05:15.950
stress that if you're lonely, you'll highest stress. Yes, but
1154
01:05:15.950 --> 01:05:17.720
if you're highest stress, you're more likely
1155
01:05:17.720 --> 01:05:21.150
to be lonely. That's right. Which is the vicious cycle. A
1156
01:05:21.150 --> 01:05:22.280
vicious cycle. That's the
1157
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.750
time. That's the vicious cycle. Absolutely. You couldn't agree
1158
01:05:24.750 --> 01:05:27.000
more. That's what we're trying to
1159
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:31.520
undo. So here's a question for you. Quiz. All right. And you
1160
01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:33.480
know the answer. Okay. Because I've
1161
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.280
mentioned it already on this podcast. All right. You ready?
1162
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.840
Yeah. What is the difference
1163
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:47.880
between loneliness and solitude? Loneliness is a lack of human
1164
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:51.080
connection and solitude is being alone.
1165
01:05:51.080 --> 01:05:57.240
Well, both have a lack of human connection. I don't know. Tell
1166
01:05:57.240 --> 01:05:58.040
me the answer. What's the
1167
01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:01.800
serotonin? Okay. If you're serotonin depleted, you're lonely.
1168
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.120
If you're serotonin replete, it's
1169
01:06:04.120 --> 01:06:08.610
solitude. You're comfortable in your loneliness. You're happy
1170
01:06:08.610 --> 01:06:11.720
that you're lonely. Because you're not
1171
01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:14.820
really lonely. You're alone. And how does that happen that I
1172
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:17.560
become lonely and in terms of the serotonin
1173
01:06:17.560 --> 01:06:22.900
mechanism? Well, you choose to be alone when you're in solitude
1174
01:06:22.900 --> 01:06:25.320
. But the point is that's what you
1175
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:30.980
want. That's what you chose. You could be with other people.
1176
01:06:30.980 --> 01:06:32.840
You chose them to be in solitude.
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01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.150
When you're lonely. Okay. The reason even when people are
1178
01:06:38.150 --> 01:06:40.600
coming at you, even when you're at a party
1179
01:06:40.600 --> 01:06:45.280
and you are clearly not lonely, you feel like you are. You feel
1180
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.200
like you're there all by yourself,
1181
01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:51.800
even though all these people are around you. What is serotonin?
1182
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:52.840
And that's because your
1183
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.890
serotonin depleted. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter. It's made
1184
01:06:56.890 --> 01:06:58.280
from a amino acid called
1185
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:04.070
tryptophane. Tryptophane is the rarest amino acid in all of the
1186
01:07:04.070 --> 01:07:05.400
proteins that we ingest. It's
1187
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.050
the rarest amino acid on the planet. It's found in eggs,
1188
01:07:09.050 --> 01:07:11.960
chicken, fish, not exactly ultra-processed food.
1189
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:16.010
So people who eat ultra-processed food at high rate are going
1190
01:07:16.010 --> 01:07:16.360
to be
1191
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.410
tryptophane deficient and therefore serotonin deficient are
1192
01:07:20.410 --> 01:07:22.520
going to be somewhat irritable and also
1193
01:07:22.520 --> 01:07:26.400
somewhat lonely. And what it does is it inhibits the next
1194
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.840
neuron. It causes the next neuron
1195
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:35.400
not to fire. Instead of dopamine, which causes the next neuron
1196
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.080
to fire, they are very different.
1197
01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:42.280
And serotonin, when it's at normal dose, gives you a feeling of
1198
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.400
contentment. Not necessarily
1199
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:50.920
happiness, but this feels good. I don't want or need anymore.
1200
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.000
So it's almost the opposite of
1201
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.590
dopamine. It's the exact opposite of dopamine. Dopamine is this
1202
01:07:56.590 --> 01:08:00.040
feels good. I want more. And serotonin
1203
01:08:00.040 --> 01:08:02.950
is this feels good. I don't want or need anymore. And serotonin
1204
01:08:02.950 --> 01:08:05.400
is predominantly made in the gut, 90%.
1205
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.590
So 90% is made in the gut. The question is does the gut
1206
01:08:08.590 --> 01:08:11.000
serotonin get to the brain and the answers
1207
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.050
through the afferent vagus nerve so that afferent vagus has to
1208
01:08:15.050 --> 01:08:18.280
be functional and has to basically conduct
1209
01:08:18.280 --> 01:08:21.890
information from the gut up to the brain in order to be able to
1210
01:08:21.890 --> 01:08:24.680
transduce that. That is what we call
1211
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:29.930
intuition. That is called gut feeling. So I need my vagus nerve
1212
01:08:29.930 --> 01:08:32.360
to be healthy. Yes, you do.
1213
01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:35.160
And there are a lot of things that are causing that vagus nerve
1214
01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:36.840
not to be healthy, including
1215
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:39.810
all of the gut inflammation that we talked about from the ultra
1216
01:08:39.810 --> 01:08:41.400
process food. So how do I make my
1217
01:08:41.400 --> 01:08:45.800
vagus not healthy? Eat real food. What about this vagus nerve
1218
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:46.680
stimulators that everyone's
1219
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:51.740
banging on about? So they're interesting. And they do have
1220
01:08:51.740 --> 01:08:54.200
benefits for seizure control.
1221
01:08:54.200 --> 01:09:01.560
Okay. For seizures, the vagus nerve for some reason transduces
1222
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.760
information up and down that help
1223
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.680
mitigate seizures. No one's been able to demonstrate to my
1224
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.920
knowledge that you can use a vagal nerve
1225
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:18.210
stimulator to actually change emotion. I was looking at the
1226
01:09:18.210 --> 01:09:20.120
research and it says exactly what
1227
01:09:20.120 --> 01:09:23.710
you described that a metronolysis in long-term follow-up show a
1228
01:09:23.710 --> 01:09:27.240
30 to 50% reduction in seizures
1229
01:09:27.240 --> 01:09:30.430
patients who use vagal nerve simulation, but outside of that in
1230
01:09:30.430 --> 01:09:32.280
terms of depression, the evidence
1231
01:09:32.280 --> 01:09:40.800
is modest media, around 15 to 25% show, which is above placebo.
1232
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.000
So it's small. And then with
1233
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.200
anxiety, it's the same. There's not there's any low quality and
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01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:48.280
small scale work that they do say
1235
01:09:48.280 --> 01:09:51.470
though that implanted vagus nerve stimulators show the
1236
01:09:51.470 --> 01:09:53.880
strongest evidence for epilepsy and depression,
1237
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:57.480
but the bottom line is it works well for seizures, as you said,
1238
01:09:57.480 --> 01:09:59.400
and they're still a lot
1239
01:09:59.400 --> 01:10:03.880
unproven as it relates to stress and focus. I wish they worked.
1240
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:05.800
I mean, it would be an easy
1241
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.990
thing. You know, you're one thing you learn from doing what I
1242
01:10:08.990 --> 01:10:11.960
do with this podcast is you learn
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that in life, there are really not many shortcuts and
1244
01:10:15.180 --> 01:10:18.040
everything that appears to be a shortcut,
1245
01:10:18.040 --> 01:10:21.240
some device, some contraption that's going to fix things.
1246
01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:24.120
Actually, either doesn't work is a scam
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01:10:24.120 --> 01:10:29.780
or has some hidden trade-off. And so it goes back to this
1248
01:10:29.780 --> 01:10:31.480
really important principle that I think
1249
01:10:31.480 --> 01:10:34.800
everybody listening to your body, which is there's no free
1250
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.000
lunch in life. If it appears to be the
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01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:40.850
fast way, it's probably a fast way to something else. And the
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01:10:40.850 --> 01:10:42.680
slow way is the fast way. The hard
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01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.130
way is the fast way. This is kind of what I've learned. I can
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01:10:45.130 --> 01:10:47.240
try all these things to try and trick,
1255
01:10:47.240 --> 01:10:51.380
to try and be able to eat sugar, but be healthy. And there's
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01:10:51.380 --> 01:10:53.560
always some vacuum trade-off.
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01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.650
Like even a zempeck, exactly. Everyone's talking about a zempe
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01:10:56.650 --> 01:10:59.000
ck. It's a band-aid, not a fix.
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01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.430
What do you think of a zempeck? How much time you got? It
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01:11:02.430 --> 01:11:03.880
depends what you think.
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01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.860
People ask me this all the time. I wear three hats. So I'll put
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01:11:08.860 --> 01:11:11.640
my first hat on, my clinician hat.
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01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.700
I'm glad they're here. These GOP one analogues, they do work. I
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01:11:16.700 --> 01:11:18.200
'm not saying they don't. They do.
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01:11:19.080 --> 01:11:24.030
And God knows if you have a BMI of 40 to 45 and you have tried
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01:11:24.030 --> 01:11:26.760
everything else and nothing else works
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01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.410
and it's a matter of life and death, then I am glad they're
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01:11:29.410 --> 01:11:32.440
here. All right, now let me put my second
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01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:37.500
hat on. My scientists hat. Okay, why do they work? They work in
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01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:40.120
two places. They work actually
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01:11:40.120 --> 01:11:43.720
at that nucleus accumbens, which I mentioned before, the reward
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01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.320
center. It actually seems to
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01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:48.510
reduce reward. It's one of the reasons why GOP One analogues
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01:11:48.510 --> 01:11:50.440
are not just being used for obesity,
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01:11:50.440 --> 01:11:56.200
but for alcoholism, for drug addiction, for many things,
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01:11:56.200 --> 01:11:57.720
because they're basically putting that
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01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:03.040
reward system to rest, which is a good thing. Now, we had a
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01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:06.520
drug that did that back in 2006,
1279
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:09.840
put that reward system to rest. It was called Ramana-Bant, a
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01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.800
trade name, a complea.
1281
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:19.800
And what it was was an anti-Indo-Canabinoid. It was an Indo-Can
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01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.800
abinoid receptor antagonist. It was
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01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:26.080
the anti-Marawana drug. It was the anti-Munchies drug. And so
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01:12:26.080 --> 01:12:29.320
it caused weight loss. And it got released
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01:12:29.320 --> 01:12:34.740
in the European Union, the EFSA approved it in 2006. And within
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01:12:34.740 --> 01:12:37.160
two months of its hitting the market,
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01:12:37.160 --> 01:12:43.350
there were 21 suicides. And the reason is because if you
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01:12:43.350 --> 01:12:44.280
suppress reward,
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01:12:44.280 --> 01:12:50.840
ain't no reason to get out of bed in the morning. Now, the good
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01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.240
news with these GOP One analogues is
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01:12:53.240 --> 01:12:56.440
we've been looking for the suicide signal and haven't seen it.
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01:12:56.440 --> 01:12:58.760
But we also are looking for the
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01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.270
depression signal, and we see that a lot. So it does seem to be
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01:13:03.270 --> 01:13:05.000
having the same effect,
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01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:08.780
maybe not as severe as Ramana-Bant, but nonetheless, that's a
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downside for sure.
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Okay. Now, the second place it works, GI tract. It delays gast
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ric emptying. It slows
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food going through the elementary canal, especially the stomach
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. Okay. That's why it works,
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01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:28.040
because you can't eat more if your stomach's still full,
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because it didn't move it along.
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01:13:30.360 --> 01:13:34.590
Okay, that's good sort of, except it gives you all the side
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01:13:34.590 --> 01:13:37.000
effects, the nausea, the vomiting,
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01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:42.660
the pancreatitis, the gastroparuses. Stomach turns to stone 3.4
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01:13:42.660 --> 01:13:44.520
percent of all people who take
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01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:49.400
GOP One analogues get gastroparuses. And guess what? When you
1308
01:13:49.400 --> 01:13:51.720
stop the med, the gastroparuses
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01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:55.310
doesn't go away. And there is a lawsuit against Novonortis
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01:13:55.310 --> 01:13:57.160
right now over gastroparuses,
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01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:02.600
from GOP One analogues. Not so good. In addition,
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01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:08.000
you lose weight. Okay. Well, kind of weight. Turns out half
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01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.240
muscle, half fat. Now, losing fat's good.
1314
01:14:11.240 --> 01:14:16.300
Losing muscle is not. Losing muscle is actually a risk factor
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01:14:16.300 --> 01:14:17.320
for early demise.
1316
01:14:17.320 --> 01:14:21.560
Sarcopenia is a risk factor for early demise. Now, what else
1317
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.560
causes loss of equal amounts of
1318
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:28.120
muscle and fat? Starvation. And that's how the damn medicine's
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01:14:28.120 --> 01:14:30.120
work. They're causing you to starve.
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01:14:30.120 --> 01:14:35.550
Well, that's not the best way to do this, people. Also, only
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01:14:35.550 --> 01:14:38.440
one third of people who take
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01:14:38.440 --> 01:14:41.680
GOP One analogues actually respond. Two thirds don't. They don
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01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.000
't tell you about those. They're
1324
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.190
only telling you about the responders. And as soon as you stop
1325
01:14:46.190 --> 01:14:47.880
taking it, all the way comes rushing
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01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.070
back plus some because you've only bandated the problem you
1327
01:14:51.070 --> 01:14:54.200
haven't fixed the problem. Also,
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01:14:54.200 --> 01:14:57.690
not such a great thing. And then finally, let me switch to my
1329
01:14:57.690 --> 01:14:58.360
third hat,
1330
01:14:58.360 --> 01:15:03.640
my public health advocate hat. Now, I did say these drugs work.
1331
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:07.080
16% mean weight loss. True.
1332
01:15:07.080 --> 01:15:14.290
If everyone in America who qualified for a GOP One analog got
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01:15:14.290 --> 01:15:17.640
it, that would be $2.1 trillion
1334
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:20.540
dollars to the health care system, which is currently $4.1
1335
01:15:20.540 --> 01:15:24.040
trillion. So that would be a 50% surcharge over what we're
1336
01:15:24.040 --> 01:15:26.880
currently paying. And Medicare is going to go broke by the year
1337
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:32.180
2029. Anyway, without it. So you're going to put another 50% on
1338
01:15:32.180 --> 01:15:35.160
top of that. How the hell are you going to pay for that for a
1339
01:15:35.160 --> 01:15:42.670
16% weight loss? Conversely, if we just got added sugar out of
1340
01:15:42.670 --> 01:15:45.480
the diet, out of the American diet,
1341
01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:49.740
to the level of USDA guidelines of 12 teaspoons of added sugar
1342
01:15:49.740 --> 01:15:57.880
per day, no more, we could get a 29% weight loss and save $3.0
1343
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:03.000
trillion. That's a $5.1 trillion swing for double the weight
1344
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.360
loss and no side effects. Which one do you think is better?
1345
01:16:06.360 --> 01:16:13.000
Yeah. That's how I feel about it. There was a recent animal
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01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.160
research study that suggested that things like
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01:16:15.160 --> 01:16:20.460
as MPEC semi-glutides reduced cocaine self administration in
1348
01:16:20.460 --> 01:16:24.780
rats by roughly 30% during treatment and cut their drug seeking
1349
01:16:24.780 --> 01:16:29.810
behavior by 62% after a period of abstinence. Which speaks to
1350
01:16:29.810 --> 01:16:32.360
some of the things you're saying there about GOP ones is MPEC's
1351
01:16:32.360 --> 01:16:37.000
role in the reward pathways in the brain. So it's interesting.
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01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.830
It's interesting. But what is that saying? It's saying that if
1353
01:16:39.830 --> 01:16:43.320
you in these rats, if they were given these GOP one antagonists
1354
01:16:43.320 --> 01:16:43.560
, these
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01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:48.770
MPECs, these semi-glutides, they were less likely to be
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01:16:48.770 --> 01:16:54.680
addicted to things. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I say less likely to
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01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:55.400
be addicted. They're
1358
01:16:55.400 --> 01:16:59.790
already addicted. They're basically choosing not to continue to
1359
01:16:59.790 --> 01:17:02.440
consume. And again, we don't know if
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01:17:02.440 --> 01:17:06.180
they're addicted to their rats. But their behaviors suggest
1361
01:17:06.180 --> 01:17:09.000
that they're reducing the consumption of the
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01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:11.960
addictive substance. And what is suggesting? This means that
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01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.960
the GOP one is doing what? Well, number one,
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maybe the reason that they're not consuming more is because
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their stomachs aren't moving.
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If your stomach's not moving, you don't want to take any more.
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Do you? Maybe it's that. We don't know.
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01:17:29.080 --> 01:17:32.860
That's one possibility. There's no question that the nucleus of
1369
01:17:32.860 --> 01:17:35.240
Cummins has GOP one receptors.
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The ventral-tag metal area has GOP one receptors. And I
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actually gave a talk at the California
1372
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:45.200
Society of Addiction Medicine on those MPECs. So we know what
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01:17:45.200 --> 01:17:48.040
the data show. We're still
1374
01:17:48.040 --> 01:17:51.880
researching this and trying to investigate and figure out what
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01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.440
it is. That also wouldn't explain
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01:17:54.440 --> 01:17:59.570
the alcohol stroke because alcohol's not food. It's liquid. So
1377
01:17:59.570 --> 01:18:01.160
it's a little different. And it
1378
01:18:01.160 --> 01:18:06.110
definitely reduces alcoholism, alcohol consumption. So there
1379
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does seem to be an effect.
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01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:10.750
Understanding what dopamine does from what you said earlier, it
1381
01:18:10.750 --> 01:18:12.040
would appear that then these
1382
01:18:12.040 --> 01:18:16.490
like GOP ones, these MPECs are dampening. Dope means release in
1383
01:18:16.490 --> 01:18:18.040
some way because the rats, when
1384
01:18:18.040 --> 01:18:21.690
you talk about motivation and dopamine, the rats are less
1385
01:18:21.690 --> 01:18:23.960
motivated to go and get more cocaine.
1386
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:28.680
Right. And that very well may be a good thing. And for certain
1387
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.920
people, I think we can absolutely
1388
01:18:31.160 --> 01:18:34.360
use that phenomenon to assist them.
1389
01:18:34.360 --> 01:18:37.550
Is that perhaps that will be a good way to help with drug
1390
01:18:37.550 --> 01:18:38.200
introduction?
1391
01:18:38.200 --> 01:18:40.520
Did that also mean that I become less motivated period?
1392
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:43.880
Yes. That's not good. Yes. That's what I'm worried about.
1393
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:48.200
Going back to Jenny and Dave. Jenny and Dave both have a little
1394
01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:49.400
bit of extra weight on them.
1395
01:18:49.400 --> 01:18:52.320
We've talked about really interestingly the whole idea that
1396
01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:53.960
serotonin connection, love,
1397
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:59.080
plays in a tremendous role and stress. And so Jenny and Dave
1398
01:18:59.080 --> 01:19:00.840
now, they're going to be thinking about
1399
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.200
their relationships and friendships and going to that run club
1400
01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:07.640
as a way to help them downstream with
1401
01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.210
addictions and other things they're struggling with. Is there
1402
01:19:10.210 --> 01:19:11.960
anything else that Jenny and Dave
1403
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.550
who represent the typical American need to know to maybe shed
1404
01:19:15.550 --> 01:19:17.720
some of that body fat?
1405
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:23.800
Number one, ultra-processed food is obesity.
1406
01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:31.630
Now, if Jenny and Dave are under stress, if Jenny and Dave are
1407
01:19:31.630 --> 01:19:33.240
under financial stress,
1408
01:19:33.240 --> 01:19:37.500
if Jenny and Dave are under time stress, it's going to be
1409
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:39.800
really hard for them to turn away
1410
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:46.120
from ultra-process food. So don't expect their weight to get
1411
01:19:46.120 --> 01:19:49.000
any better until they fix their diet.
1412
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.780
The one thing I am very sure of is that if you keep eating the
1413
01:19:52.780 --> 01:19:55.720
same shit, don't expect anything good
1414
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.610
to happen. But it's hard. It's very hard. Some practical types
1415
01:19:59.610 --> 01:20:01.560
of things. The first thing is
1416
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.790
that when they go to the store, don't go hungry. Okay, love
1417
01:20:05.790 --> 01:20:07.240
that. That's the first one.
1418
01:20:07.240 --> 01:20:10.430
I need that mistake alone. The second thing, why let's give
1419
01:20:10.430 --> 01:20:11.240
some context there?
1420
01:20:11.240 --> 01:20:13.990
Oh, because if they're hungry, all bets are off. They're done.
1421
01:20:13.990 --> 01:20:15.800
Because they're more likely to reach
1422
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:20.040
the bad stuff. Because the best stuff's calling to them. And by
1423
01:20:20.040 --> 01:20:21.800
the way, the best stuff's on the
1424
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:25.850
end caps of each of the aisles of the grocery store. And in the
1425
01:20:25.850 --> 01:20:27.640
middle? In the middle, well,
1426
01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:32.440
any, if you've gone into the aisles, you've gone off the rails
1427
01:20:32.440 --> 01:20:33.880
because that's where the ultra-process
1428
01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:37.700
food is. It's a shop around the outside, which is where the
1429
01:20:37.700 --> 01:20:42.280
real food is. The fridges and the produce
1430
01:20:42.280 --> 01:20:47.630
and the meats and the dairy, okay? Not to say that there isn't,
1431
01:20:47.630 --> 01:20:50.040
you know, ultra-processed food and sugar
1432
01:20:50.040 --> 01:20:54.720
hiding in those places too. But if you've gone into the, you
1433
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.320
know, standard, you know, aisles,
1434
01:20:57.320 --> 01:21:01.430
you know, that's where ultra-processed food is hiding. And, you
1435
01:21:01.430 --> 01:21:03.880
know, 73% of the items in the
1436
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:08.780
American grocery store are poison. So if you go into the
1437
01:21:08.780 --> 01:21:11.800
grocery store, you already have a problem.
1438
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:17.000
So the first one is don't go hungry. The second one is to stay
1439
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.280
on the outside of the supermarket.
1440
01:21:20.280 --> 01:21:24.970
Yeah. Anything else for Jenny and Dave? And most importantly,
1441
01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:27.640
you know, I don't want them to have to
1442
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:32.070
read food labels because that's kind of, you know, out of
1443
01:21:32.070 --> 01:21:35.720
bounds, okay? But they should basically,
1444
01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:41.030
if a food has a label, it's a warning label. That's how they
1445
01:21:41.030 --> 01:21:47.080
should look at it, okay? And if any food
1446
01:21:47.080 --> 01:21:51.190
has a sugar in the first three items, the first three
1447
01:21:51.190 --> 01:21:53.160
ingredients, it's dessert.
1448
01:21:53.160 --> 01:21:58.910
That's how they should look at it. So, you know, Chinese
1449
01:21:58.910 --> 01:22:02.440
chicken salad is dessert.
1450
01:22:02.440 --> 01:22:06.340
Actually, not the other day I looked at my friend was drinking
1451
01:22:06.340 --> 01:22:09.320
a can of Coca-Cola and I picked it up
1452
01:22:09.320 --> 01:22:12.140
and I thought, "I've not seen one of these in a while." And I
1453
01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:13.880
looked at the back of it and it said
1454
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:18.530
the sugar quantity in it was something like 40% in that region.
1455
01:22:18.530 --> 01:22:21.560
It was 39 grams in a can. Yeah.
1456
01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:28.140
That's right. I say, so 40% of it is just sugar. Correct. And
1457
01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:31.160
people are just, there you go.
1458
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:37.350
No, that's why we have a fatty liver disease pandemic and sugar
1459
01:22:37.350 --> 01:22:38.840
is fundamentally linked to things
1460
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:42.560
like cancer as well, right? Yes, absolutely. And we know why
1461
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:44.600
now. We know how, you know,
1462
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:48.230
through what mechanisms? What are the mechanisms? Up for cancer
1463
01:22:48.230 --> 01:22:50.360
? Yeah. Okay. So, first of all,
1464
01:22:50.360 --> 01:22:53.050
in anything that makes insulin go up increases your risk for
1465
01:22:53.050 --> 01:22:54.600
cancer because insulin's a growth
1466
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:58.230
factor. Okay. Secondly, because insulin causes mitochondrial
1467
01:22:58.230 --> 01:23:01.800
dysfunction. Okay. It increases
1468
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.890
these other phenomena like, for instance, the pentose phosphate
1469
01:23:05.890 --> 01:23:06.760
shunt and the
1470
01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:11.430
Randall cycle and the doonova lipogenesis, which is what cancer
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01:23:11.430 --> 01:23:13.080
cells need to be able to
1472
01:23:13.080 --> 01:23:16.860
multiply and divide. Okay. So, it's basically feeding the
1473
01:23:16.860 --> 01:23:20.440
cancer. Number three, certain cancers,
1474
01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:24.030
particularly pancreatic cancer, have an enzyme in them called
1475
01:23:24.030 --> 01:23:26.440
transketolase. And what that can do
1476
01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:30.030
is that can take fructose and turn it into glucose in the
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01:23:30.030 --> 01:23:31.720
cancer cell only so that when you're
1478
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.180
actually consuming sugar, you are feeding the cancer
1479
01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:38.760
specifically. Yet, what do we give cancer patients
1480
01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:41.850
in a sugar, which is like straight fructose? So, you are
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actually feeding the cancer.
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01:23:43.480 --> 01:23:49.720
So, that's like ridiculous. Okay. In addition, because fructose
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01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:52.040
interferes with mitochondrial
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01:23:52.040 --> 01:23:56.620
function, okay, that sends a feedback mechanism to the rest of
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01:23:56.620 --> 01:24:01.000
the cell to divide. Because dividing
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01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:04.460
cells are in growth phase, they don't have mitochondria. That's
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01:24:04.460 --> 01:24:05.800
why cancer cells don't have
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01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.990
mitochondria. So, if fetal cells don't have mitochondria, anaer
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01:24:08.990 --> 01:24:10.840
obes don't have mitochondria,
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01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:14.720
they grow the fastest. You know, provided that the conditions
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01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.560
are right. So, bottom line,
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01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:19.850
anything that interferes with mitochondrial function puts you
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01:24:19.850 --> 01:24:20.680
at risk for cancer.
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01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:25.740
And what we see in cancer is growing. There's the incidence of
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01:24:25.740 --> 01:24:26.840
people getting cancer.
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Is that's growing? Absolutely. And people getting cancer
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01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:31.080
earlier and earlier,
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especially colorectal cancer. My God, the mean age of colorect
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01:24:35.400 --> 01:24:40.600
al cancer used to be 50 to 55. It is now,
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we are seeing patients with colorectal cancer in their 30s and
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01:24:44.190 --> 01:24:45.160
early 40s.
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01:24:45.160 --> 01:24:50.600
This is why. Because of, because of, because of sugar, that's a
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01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:51.320
huge problem.
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01:24:51.320 --> 01:24:54.980
It is a huge problem. So, that's what I would suggest Dave and
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01:24:54.980 --> 01:24:56.040
Jenny do to start.
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01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:00.190
Okay? But ultimately, they have to get their sugar and ultra-
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01:25:00.190 --> 01:25:02.280
process food consumption under control.
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01:25:02.280 --> 01:25:07.080
And the question is, can they do it alone? Chances are, to be
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01:25:07.080 --> 01:25:08.920
honest with you, they probably can't.
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01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:12.970
And the reason is because they're sugar-addicted, and because
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01:25:12.970 --> 01:25:14.600
the food industry is basically
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01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:18.300
made it impossible for them to avoid. That's what we have to
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01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:21.640
fix. We have to allow them the
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01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.810
capability of being able to access real food. This is why I'm
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01:25:25.810 --> 01:25:27.640
so upset with what's going on with
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01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:30.440
this argument here in the United States over Snap. Are you
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01:25:30.440 --> 01:25:32.920
familiar with Snap? Snap is the
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01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.710
supplementary nutrition assistance program, SNAP. Also known as
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01:25:37.710 --> 01:25:40.280
food stamps. Okay?
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01:25:40.280 --> 01:25:44.440
I actually testified in front of Congress, in front of the
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01:25:44.440 --> 01:25:47.160
House Appropriations Committee last year,
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01:25:48.040 --> 01:25:57.960
to fix SNAP. Now, to get soda off SNAP, because soda is like
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01:25:57.960 --> 01:25:59.480
the worst thing. And it's also
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01:25:59.480 --> 01:26:03.230
the thing that most people use their SNAP dollars. You know,
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01:26:03.230 --> 01:26:06.440
their SNAP vouchers to purchase.
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01:26:06.440 --> 01:26:11.440
And it's killing people. And so, I don't think soda should be
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01:26:11.440 --> 01:26:13.400
on SNAP. And so, what I did was
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01:26:13.400 --> 01:26:17.740
I testified basically explaining the science in Congress. And I
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01:26:17.740 --> 01:26:19.560
said that what we need to do is
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01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:24.330
take the money by banning soda sales on SNAP. If people want to
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01:26:24.330 --> 01:26:26.600
spend their own money on soda,
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01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.680
that's their business. But we shouldn't be using a federal
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01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.800
government subsidy program to subsidize
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01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:38.390
their death. We should take the money that's saved from the
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01:26:38.390 --> 01:26:40.680
soda sales and utilize it to
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01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:46.340
improve the nutrition of those same people, you know, real
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01:26:46.340 --> 01:26:51.080
vegetables, dietary supplements, fiber,
1538
01:26:51.080 --> 01:26:55.130
water. Okay? Things that will be healthy for them. In other
1539
01:26:55.130 --> 01:26:56.920
words, divert the monies.
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01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:02.920
They didn't hear that. Republicans are trying to basically gut
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01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.600
SNAP. They're trying to get rid of it
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01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:09.020
as an entity entirely. And if they don't, they can't gut it.
1543
01:27:09.020 --> 01:27:11.480
They will basically make it so that they
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01:27:11.480 --> 01:27:15.550
take the soda away, which is good, except it's not going to
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01:27:15.550 --> 01:27:18.120
improve the rest of their nutrition,
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01:27:18.120 --> 01:27:22.170
because they're basically just going to take that money and rep
1547
01:27:22.170 --> 01:27:25.560
ock at it. So, how you,
1548
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:30.950
you know, set these legislation agenda items up is super
1549
01:27:30.950 --> 01:27:33.240
important. And right now,
1550
01:27:33.240 --> 01:27:36.830
this government's not doing it. Just give me 15 seconds to
1551
01:27:36.830 --> 01:27:38.760
explain how you can build a viable
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01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.420
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01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:42.680
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1554
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the first step and then the next and then they keep going. They
1555
01:27:45.420 --> 01:27:47.480
stay obsessed and they stay consistent
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at Steven Bartlett dot Stan dot store. The messages and emails
1569
01:28:25.970 --> 01:28:27.960
that you get from people that have
1570
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.320
heard you on podcast or if read your books or senior work in
1571
01:28:31.320 --> 01:28:34.040
other places, what is the typical
1572
01:28:34.040 --> 01:28:36.610
question that those people asked? If you had to summarize the
1573
01:28:36.610 --> 01:28:39.080
question into one question,
1574
01:28:39.080 --> 01:28:45.320
what is it that people ask you the most? Is juice healthy?
1575
01:28:45.320 --> 01:28:50.200
Really, that's probably the most common
1576
01:28:50.200 --> 01:28:53.570
question. You say sugar is bad, but isn't juice healthy? Is
1577
01:28:53.570 --> 01:28:55.800
juice healthy? Juice is not healthy.
1578
01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.990
Fruit is healthy. So what's the difference between fruit and
1579
01:28:58.990 --> 01:29:00.040
juice? The fiber.
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01:29:00.040 --> 01:29:06.360
Okay, fruit has fiber. The fiber reduces the rate of absorption
1581
01:29:06.360 --> 01:29:07.880
from the gut into the bloodstream.
1582
01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:12.450
And in doing so, you reduce the insulin response, you reduce
1583
01:29:12.450 --> 01:29:15.720
the glucose response. You basically
1584
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:20.490
protect the liver. And because you've prevented its early
1585
01:29:20.490 --> 01:29:22.760
absorption, it goes further down the
1586
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.700
intestine, where the microbiome can chew it up for its own
1587
01:29:25.700 --> 01:29:27.400
purposes, thus feeding the gut,
1588
01:29:27.400 --> 01:29:31.480
and generating short chain fatty acids, which are there for a
1589
01:29:31.480 --> 01:29:32.840
metabolically beneficial,
1590
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.740
anti-inflammatory, anti Alzheimer's. Okay, and the fiber acts
1591
01:29:36.740 --> 01:29:38.680
like little scrubbies on the inside
1592
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:41.870
of the colon to get rid of colon cancer cells. So you get all
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01:29:41.870 --> 01:29:44.680
sorts of benefits from the fiber
1594
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:47.870
in the fruit. But as soon as you juice it, you've thrown the
1595
01:29:47.870 --> 01:29:50.360
fiber in the garbage. And so
1596
01:29:50.360 --> 01:29:54.420
well, you now have a sugar water. So eat the fruit. Don't drink
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01:29:54.420 --> 01:29:56.120
the juice. Problem is,
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01:29:56.120 --> 01:29:59.800
that's, you know, what that's not what the food industry's
1599
01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:00.600
selling.
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01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:03.860
What if I put the fruit in a blender and then instead of
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01:30:03.860 --> 01:30:05.320
throwing out the gunk,
1602
01:30:05.320 --> 01:30:09.080
I keep all the little bits in there? So what happens is that
1603
01:30:09.080 --> 01:30:10.600
the blades in the
1604
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:13.790
revel or the Vitamix or the Nutribuliter, you know, whatever
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01:30:13.790 --> 01:30:15.640
you use to make your smoothie,
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01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:20.620
those blades are shearing that fiber into smithereens, into
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01:30:20.620 --> 01:30:22.520
such short pieces
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01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:28.240
that it can't actually act as a lattice work to sequester and
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01:30:28.240 --> 01:30:29.880
prevent that absorption.
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01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:34.220
So the rate of absorption in the intestine is just as fast, and
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01:30:34.220 --> 01:30:35.720
so the fructose and the glucose
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01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:39.570
will still get to the liver just as fast as it did before when
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01:30:39.570 --> 01:30:42.120
it was juice. So that's not
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01:30:42.120 --> 01:30:46.760
the answer. So making a smoothie out of it is not the answer. I
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01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:48.120
was looking at the top comments from
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01:30:48.120 --> 01:30:52.550
my last conversation and they're all extremely, that's a
1617
01:30:52.550 --> 01:30:55.080
similar, but they're all incredibly
1618
01:30:55.080 --> 01:30:58.360
inspiring. Someone here is written the top comment, which I
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01:30:58.360 --> 01:30:59.720
shall pre I shall record the screen
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01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.390
so Jack can throw it on the screen. So Stephen, I discovered
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01:31:02.390 --> 01:31:04.440
Robert three years ago after my
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01:31:04.440 --> 01:31:07.210
doctor told me I was pre diabetic three years on my blood
1623
01:31:07.210 --> 01:31:08.840
levels are completely normal and
1624
01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:12.260
everyone tells me how good I look recently. This man should be
1625
01:31:12.260 --> 01:31:13.560
on every TV in the world,
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01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.890
but the food industry is trying to shut him up. Follow the work
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01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:19.480
and you will change your life
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01:31:19.480 --> 01:31:24.470
like he changed mine. Stuart Jay, 59 years old, male in the UK.
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01:31:24.470 --> 01:31:25.640
That's very heartening. I'm glad
1630
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:29.470
to hear that. Good for you Stuart. My friend was diagnosed with
1631
01:31:29.470 --> 01:31:31.960
stage four prostate cancer and given
1632
01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:36.060
one year to live. And he found Dr. Lustig and rigorously
1633
01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:38.600
followed his advice. Keto diet, it's
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01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.790
missing fasting, regular walking. That was two years ago. He's
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01:31:41.790 --> 01:31:43.640
now in remission. The cancer is gone.
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01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:50.110
I was diagnosed with pre diabetes, fibro myalgia and decided to
1637
01:31:50.110 --> 01:31:52.120
cut out all the sugar including
1638
01:31:52.120 --> 01:31:55.870
fruit. Not only do I lose 60 pounds in under a year, but my
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01:31:55.870 --> 01:31:59.000
pain went from 10 to 1 to 2. I had more
1640
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:03.900
energy. My A1C dropped to normal levels and I went from being
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01:32:03.900 --> 01:32:06.040
fully disabled to going back to work
1642
01:32:06.040 --> 01:32:09.830
full-time, cutting out all the sugar is hard. I won't lie. It's
1643
01:32:09.830 --> 01:32:12.040
also a constant, constant battle,
1644
01:32:12.040 --> 01:32:18.920
but it is so worth it. And lastly, I listened to this podcast
1645
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.800
last year. I made a decision on December
1646
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:25.890
28th, 2023 to stay away from all candy brownies, maple walnut
1647
01:32:25.890 --> 01:32:27.800
scones and all desserts. You get
1648
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:32.350
the idea. It is now approaching December 28th, 2024. And
1649
01:32:32.350 --> 01:32:35.080
besides rewatching this video, I have made
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01:32:35.080 --> 01:32:38.670
another commitment to do the same thing I did last year. It's a
1651
01:32:38.670 --> 01:32:40.920
shame that 73% of what's in the
1652
01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.830
isles in the grocery store have hidden sugar in it. And so I
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01:32:43.830 --> 01:32:47.160
haven't gotten radical about it,
1654
01:32:47.160 --> 01:32:51.930
but the changes I've made have made me feel terrific. Dr.
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01:32:51.930 --> 01:32:55.080
Robert is the cat's meow,
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01:32:56.120 --> 01:33:00.800
and he has a giant part of in me getting me back, purring. I'm
1657
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.800
68 and play five days a week,
1658
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:08.800
two to four hours a day pickleball. I love the choices I've
1659
01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:10.680
made. I love you, Dr.
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01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:16.840
You know what? I love you too. And I'm 68.
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01:33:20.200 --> 01:33:25.590
Maybe when I go to the UK, we'll have a date. Well, that's
1662
01:33:25.590 --> 01:33:27.720
lovely. She's quite a pretty
1663
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:34.940
Oh, very nice. How does that make you feel? Very heartened. I
1664
01:33:34.940 --> 01:33:37.240
can see the emotion in your face.
1665
01:33:37.240 --> 01:33:42.630
Yes, very heartened, but the problem is not fixed. The problem
1666
01:33:42.630 --> 01:33:44.360
is fixed for each of these people,
1667
01:33:44.360 --> 01:33:47.550
but the problem's not fixed. And because the problem's not
1668
01:33:47.550 --> 01:33:50.600
fixed, I still have a job to do.
1669
01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:56.900
So it gives me more strength to do it. It gives me more purpose
1670
01:33:56.900 --> 01:33:59.080
and gives me more reason to do it,
1671
01:33:59.080 --> 01:34:03.710
but you know, the problem's not fixed. Do you think one of the
1672
01:34:03.710 --> 01:34:04.920
most impactful
1673
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:07.830
things that we could all do for our health is just to reduce
1674
01:34:07.830 --> 01:34:09.160
our sugar consumption?
1675
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:14.780
I mean, that's that's job one. Okay. There are many things, but
1676
01:34:14.780 --> 01:34:17.560
without question, that's the easiest one.
1677
01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.930
And to be honest with you, the food industry should be helping
1678
01:34:20.930 --> 01:34:21.720
us do that.
1679
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:24.810
The only reason the sugars in the food is because they wanted
1680
01:34:24.810 --> 01:34:26.680
it there. They put it there on
1681
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:29.870
purpose because they knew when they added you by more. And
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01:34:29.870 --> 01:34:33.080
exercise, how does that impact my
1683
01:34:33.080 --> 01:34:37.130
decision to reach for sugar or not reach for sugar? Well, it
1684
01:34:37.130 --> 01:34:38.600
doesn't really impact your
1685
01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:43.670
desire to reach for sugar. It has its own metabolic benefits. I
1686
01:34:43.670 --> 01:34:45.720
'm totally for exercise. Don't
1687
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:50.200
get me wrong. I am completely for exercise. Exercise does many
1688
01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:52.680
good things, but burning calories is
1689
01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:57.740
not one of them. Okay. People think, oh, you know, exercise to
1690
01:34:57.740 --> 01:35:00.520
work off the doughnut that I ate.
1691
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:04.920
Wrong. Forget it. That's not what it's about. What does
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01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:07.160
exercise do? Exercise increases
1693
01:35:07.160 --> 01:35:10.370
mitochondria. And that's good because you need increased
1694
01:35:10.370 --> 01:35:13.240
mitochondrial reserve in order to make all that ATP.
1695
01:35:13.240 --> 01:35:18.150
Exercise increases brain trophic factors which are necessary
1696
01:35:18.150 --> 01:35:20.040
for cognition. And it's been shown
1697
01:35:20.040 --> 01:35:24.970
now that exercise is one of the primary methods for mitigating
1698
01:35:24.970 --> 01:35:28.440
risk for dementia. Okay. It increases
1699
01:35:28.440 --> 01:35:31.870
brain-derived neurotrophic factor. It increases leptin. All of
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01:35:31.870 --> 01:35:33.880
these are necessary to promote
1701
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:38.360
synaptogenesis and even increase neurogenesis more neurons, you
1702
01:35:38.360 --> 01:35:40.360
know, so that they don't die.
1703
01:35:40.360 --> 01:35:46.200
So I'm all for exercise. Exercise also increases muscle mass.
1704
01:35:46.200 --> 01:35:50.840
And muscle mass is mitigating factor
1705
01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:54.700
for early demise. Like I said, sarcopenia is a risk factor for
1706
01:35:54.700 --> 01:35:57.480
early demise. So exercise is the way
1707
01:35:57.480 --> 01:36:00.980
to undo that. Having said that, none of that had anything to do
1708
01:36:00.980 --> 01:36:04.440
with weight loss. Okay. So if you think
1709
01:36:04.440 --> 01:36:10.740
exercise is going to make you lose weight, you are deluded. You
1710
01:36:10.740 --> 01:36:14.600
are under a delusion. You have adopted
1711
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:19.420
the calorie hypothesis. I am here to dispel. I am here to
1712
01:36:19.420 --> 01:36:22.440
destroy the calorie hypothesis.
1713
01:36:22.440 --> 01:36:26.330
A calorie is not a calorie. So many of the people that are
1714
01:36:26.330 --> 01:36:28.360
listening to this conversation right now.
1715
01:36:28.360 --> 01:36:30.810
If they're in the United States or if they're in other parts of
1716
01:36:30.810 --> 01:36:32.200
the world that have similar health
1717
01:36:32.200 --> 01:36:38.600
stats are diabetic or pre-diabetic. One in 10 people worldwide
1718
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:40.200
have diabetes and in the United
1719
01:36:40.200 --> 01:36:44.490
States, one in three to four of adults that are listening right
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01:36:44.490 --> 01:36:47.880
now are pre-diabetic. Even if you
1721
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.560
don't have a huge amount of fat on your body, you can actually
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01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:52.680
40% four out of 10, which is crazy.
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Yeah. That's right. It means that almost half of the people
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listening right now, whether you
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01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:02.480
know it or not, could well be pre-diabetic if you fit into the
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01:37:02.480 --> 01:37:04.280
statistics that we have here.
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I mean, terrifying. Oh yeah. So for this people that are pre-di
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abetic, that I've just found
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01:37:14.440 --> 01:37:17.210
because I asked this question because there is a guy here that
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01:37:17.210 --> 01:37:20.280
says his doctor has just told him
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01:37:20.280 --> 01:37:23.240
he's pre-diabetic and he's listening to the show probably again
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01:37:23.240 --> 01:37:25.000
. So I wanted to offer him
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01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.580
something. His doctor has just told him that he's pre-diabetic.
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What should he be doing?
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Right. First thing, get rid of ultra-processed food from your
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diet and in the process,
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01:37:36.120 --> 01:37:38.340
you will have gotten rid of all the sugar from your diet. That
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's the first thing. See how that works.
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01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:49.920
Okay. Spend two weeks doing just that. If that works, fantastic
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01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:51.480
. If that doesn't work,
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01:37:51.480 --> 01:37:56.840
add some exercise. Walk. Walk your dog.
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Okay. So on the first point, should he be using a glucose
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01:38:00.550 --> 01:38:03.000
monitor to help him? Because people can
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01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.790
get on Amazon or these are the websites. Very, you know, $20, $
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01:38:05.790 --> 01:38:07.720
30 you can get a glucose monitor
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01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:11.520
for your own. Yeah. So I am four glucose monitors. And the
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reason is because they are a substitute,
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a proxy for insulin. When the glucose goes up, that means the
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insulin goes up. And it's the
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01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.450
insulin that really makes the difference. So we have
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01:38:23.450 --> 01:38:27.000
documentation of the fact that by monitoring
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01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:32.280
your own glucose concentration, you can see improvements in
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metabolic health down the line.
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You can foodlog. You can use the glucose monitoring. You don't
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need to do glucose monitoring. You can
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just do it with the food logging and it will still work. Bottom
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line, there are a whole bunch
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of scientists who are against using glucose monitors for non-di
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abetics. And they write about this
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routinely. They seem to write about it always in the New York
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Times. I am completely 180 degrees
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opposite on that. I think it is a very good idea. The reason
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that they say it is a bad idea is because
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if you're using the same outcome variables as for diabetes,
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time in range, time above range, time
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below range, well, these are non-diabetics. So of course, all
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of those numbers are going to be in
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the center. They're going to be in the time in range. So it
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looks like there's no benefit to that.
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That's not the point. The point is the downstream outcomes
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which come three months later,
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they're not looking at that. We have those data. We are looking
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at that and the data are very good.
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Do you know Joe and I think is really, really useful with those
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CGMs, those continuous glucose
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monitors that you can buy online super cheaply? Is they just
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educate you on the impact that
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different foods you might have thought were healthy? Like the
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juices we talked about? Like rice?
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Yeah. Like rice. That's actually one of the big things I don't
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do. There's two things that
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shock me. Three things that have shocked me over the last
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couple of years that I thought were healthy.
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So I grew up thinking that orange juices were healthy. I
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remember being a young kid and getting
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the sunny delight out of the fridge and like glugging it
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because I had seen on the advert,
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it said vitamin C or something. And I thought, oh, vitamin C,
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good, glug it. I've come to learn.
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That was their subterfuge and you were a victim. I was a victim
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and I would like compensation.
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Sunny day. I think the entire UK population, the US population
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deserves compensation.
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There's a young lady in the comments section who watched our
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conversation last time.
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She said, "A quote from this doctor that I loved and I've never
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forgotten is any food
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that is linked to a television commercial should not be
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consumed brilliantly sad and a great
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boundary to put in place." Yep, that's right. Any food that is
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linked to a television commercial
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should not be consumed. It's so true. They don't put cucumbers
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in television commercials. Nope.
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Not enough marketing money. Not enough margin. So Sunny day
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that's orange juices,
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generally, I don't drink any juices anymore. I haven't for
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years now.
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The other one was white rice. I thought that was healthy
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growing up. That was really, really healthy.
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And then I did a continuous glucose monitor with a company that
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I'm an investor in called
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Vizzoui. And it gave me this. It was like, it was horrific. The
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01:41:24.030 --> 01:41:25.720
impact on my gut microbiome
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and my glucose levels. And the third one was tomato ketchup. I
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didn't know there was so much
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bloody sugar in most ketchup. In fact, Heinz ketchup has high
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fructose corn syrup.
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Madness. And that's the value of getting a continuous glucose
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monitor. Even if you just run it for
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14 days, is you'll learn your relationship with these things
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you frequently eat. And most
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of us are frequent eaters. We eat the same kind of things. And
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you can make some trades.
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What is the most important thing we haven't talked about that
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we should have talked about, Robert?
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I know what we haven't talked about. Psychedelics. What would
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you like to talk about with psychedelics?
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Psychedelics are serotonin. A big dose. A big glug of serotonin
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. I don't know what once.
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What serotonin does is it provides you with this sense of compl
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acency of
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eutomonia, of contentment. Serotonin is necessary to rewire
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areas of the brain.
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You can actually see it on MRI. So actually leading to synaptic
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rewiring. Think of it this way.
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I just can't find that just on the point. You're not saying
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that psychedelics create serotonin.
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You're saying that they are the same. They are serotonin mimic
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or. They mimic serotonin.
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Think of it this way. You live on a mountain with snow. And you
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01:42:56.460 --> 01:42:59.960
have to every week go down to
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the general store at the base of the mountain. And you ski down
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01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:07.160
there. And you ski down there.
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And the snow falls and you ski down there. And soon what you've
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done is you've created ridges in the snow
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01:43:15.080 --> 01:43:22.080
for you to get down the hill. And they freeze. And soon the
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only way to get down the hill
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is through the ridges that you've created. You are now
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01:43:29.280 --> 01:43:32.680
basically in a rut. You have trapped
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into that path. There's no other way out your house. Other than
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those ridges that have frozen
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in place. That's what's happening in your brain. You can't un
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think your way out of it because
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that's the only way you know.
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psychedelics are like a huge enormous blizzard filling in the r
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uts filling in the ridges.
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So you end up with a pristine, you know, snowbank for you to be
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able to basically ski any
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which way you want. It's your way out of your rut. And what we
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have in America and UK too
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is a whole lot of people with set of belief systems that have
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put them into ruts that they can't
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01:44:26.040 --> 01:44:30.090
think their way out of. Now, can this be done without psychedel
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ics? Absolutely. But it's hard.
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psychedelics are a way to shall we say hack that belief system
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01:44:41.400 --> 01:44:43.880
concept and allow you to rethink
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your own life and the life of the people around you and how you
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interact with them. And
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we need more research in this to solve mental illness and also
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improve the well-being of
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sizeable portion of the population.
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I'm a big fan of the research taking place with
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into the psychedelic field. I actually spent a year of my life
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in what I believe is the biggest
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psychedelics company in the world as an investor. And then as a
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director in a capacity where I was
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helping to drive fundraising through marketing and then the
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company is now a public business that's
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doing a lot of the clinical studies. So which way is it? It's a
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tie-life sciences. I obviously
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compass pathways as well. I'm an investor in that company and a
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big fan of what maps are doing
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01:45:40.440 --> 01:45:43.630
as it relates to using these molecules for mental health
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disorders and treatment-resistant
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depression, PTSD, anxiety, etc. And it's so shocking to me that
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it's taken so long to
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well, they got a bad rap from Nixon back in the 1970s and I
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understand why. By the way,
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no one should do psychedelics alone. You do them with a guide,
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you do them with someone you
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completely trust, where safety is paramount, and they can be
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really remarkable.
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And we talk about sets and setting, which is hopefully they'll
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be done in clinical settings
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with, as you say, with a practitioner. Yes, that's the only way
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they should be done.
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Dr. Robert, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where
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the last guest leaves a question
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01:46:26.440 --> 01:46:28.670
for the next not knowing who they're leaving it for. I knew it
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was coming. Yes, he did.
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Looking at your life and the lives of others, how would you
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01:46:35.050 --> 01:46:37.000
describe the journey of life
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01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.000
and how to approach it?
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When you come out of the box, when you're born,
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01:46:50.280 --> 01:46:58.280
you already have neurons and synapses and neural pathways that
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01:46:58.280 --> 01:47:00.360
have developed, even though
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01:47:00.360 --> 01:47:06.960
you've had no experience. The experience will either solidify
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01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.240
those or destroy them.
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Ultimately, those turn into belief systems.
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Almost every belief system that you thought you understood
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about how the world works
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is wrong. You have to be open to the fact that all the things
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you thought were true
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aren't. And if you are that open with yourself, you will know
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yourself, and if you know yourself,
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you can be happy. But if you believe your belief systems and
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you've never questioned them,
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you're never going to get there. Amen.
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Robert, thank you so much. I mean, I say to some people
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sometimes at the end of these podcasts
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that they're doing good in the world, but you're quite frankly
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saving a lot of people's lives.
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I mean, the fact that all the top comments and the videos seem
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to be dominated by the same narrative
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01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:14.190
that you've saved someone's life, you've improved their life is
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. I mean, is there any higher work one
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01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:20.390
can do with their life than improve the quality and duration
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and health of someone else's life?
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And that's exactly what you're doing. It's what you've done
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through your public advocacy work.
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I know you recently spent some time with Prince Charles in the
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UK, which is incredibly exciting.
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The King of England talking to him about health outcomes and
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all of the work that you've been doing.
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And it's what I'm wondering is to be invited by him to him
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asking for your opinions and your
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perspective on health, which is something that's quite close to
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the heart of the King.
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And then through these books, these incredible books that I
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have in front of me here,
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which I'm going to link all of them below. This one's a new,
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right? So this one's coming
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out of September 16th. Okay, so that'll be out by the time the
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conversations I believe.
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And these incredible books, I mean, there's so many of them
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that I can't pick a favorite child,
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but they're all incredible, depending on where people are at in
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their lives and what they're
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trying to understand. Robert, thank you so much. It's been my
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pleasure.
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Make sure you keep what I'm about to say to yourself, I'm
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inviting 10,000 of you to come even
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deeper into the dire of a CEO. Welcome to my inner circle. This
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is a brand new private community
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that I'm launching to the world. We have so many incredible
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things that happen that you are
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never shown. We have the briefs that are on my pad when I'm
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recording the conversation.
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We have clips we've never released. We have behind-the-scenes
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conversations with the guests and also
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the episodes that we've never ever released. And so much more.
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In a circle, you'll have direct access
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to me. You can tell us what you want this show to be, who you
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want us to interview and the types
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of conversations you would love us to have. But remember for
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now, we're only inviting the first
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10,000 people that join before it closes. So if you want to
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join our private close community,
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head to the link in the description below or go to DOACcircle.
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com. I will speak to you then.
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(upbeat music)