#169 - Can Stem Cells Heal a Tear Without Surgery?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody that comes into the psychiatric emergency room, we check all these labs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, I know most of the time he's a bullf**k, it doesn't do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're covering our own asses as doctors, not that it's going to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if out of the 1,000s of the chance, somebody has something really, really wrong, maybe the labs will show anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But vast majority of time is going to show nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's more for us, not for the patient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have integrated doctors who are actually doing much more in-depth and useful labs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you could just go to regular doctor, the labs are lectured about to die, or when something that's really deranged, then you're not going to see anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So some of you girls know Dr. Darsh on Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We already recorded together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in LA, also in Regenerate Medicine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That brings me so much joy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm wondering if Tanya or Mahal, if you've got any questions or comments, anything that you've heard, anything about you want to know, not only about stem cells, but anything Regenerate Medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't actually in Southern California, so I think it's a labor material in my right shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've done a lot of physical therapy, mostly doesn't bother me, but it keeps flaring up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't keep up with the exercises which I definitely don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that stem cells or some other treatment, could that be ongoing or a few treatments?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be done kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have to look at your imaging, what kind of tear, how severe is the tear, you know, all that makes a difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes if the tear is really really severe, although I have heard I've interviewed this one chiropractor on my podcast where she had a complete tear and then she used rejoined the medicine and it reattached and and she is doing well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's actually got a better range of motion than the shoulder that was not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are a lot of things to go around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you talk about, if you talk with a orthopedic surgeon, a lot of them probably will say, well, yes, it could help if you get a terrorist less than 50%, but if the terrorist more than 50% of the thickness of the ligament or tendon, then you need surgical repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from experience, apparently that is not the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People can get
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[SPEAKER_01]: remarkable repair, even that very severe tear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like for that lady, even when it's completely severed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you know, to me, you just look at physics it seems like something that's impossible, but it did happen for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of doctors would just go right to the local injections to treat the local problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not my approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can do that, but you're gonna get better results if you're addressed your entire body at the same time,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is not helping you to help the local injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not giving you adequate help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the inflammation, your immune system, you know, sluggishness, everything come together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to prevent adequate healing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why people have lingering injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should never have lingering injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is remarkable if it's functioning properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should have fixed itself within certain amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every tissue have a different rate of healing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Skin, of course, is extremely fast, and the brain is very, very slow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for something like tendon ligament muscles
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[SPEAKER_01]: and bones, they're intermediate, still, you know, given a few months, it should have healed itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if it didn't, that means your body is not bringing enough power to repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then addressing the whole body is really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the best results will be addressing both the body, which brings your immune system on board and calm the inflammation and allow the signals to be more clear to your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've treated patients with shoulder injuries, rotator cuff, tear, bothering this person for
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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my first stem cell patient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I talked about that in some of my podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was very new, but I knew the philosophy is to attack from both the systemic and local regions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the time actually didn't know he had shoulder injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all he came to me for was bilateral knee, osteoarthritis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was told by doctors, two separate orthopedic surgeons that absolutely
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't really want to do that because he knew that he's going to have a long recovery time and there's no guarantee also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can tell you statistics about it later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I did was I gave him the injections and given IV infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't know anything about his children injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the show illustrates the remarkable
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[SPEAKER_01]: potential of stem cell therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So me not even knowing about the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just injecting his knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave him an IV treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next day he said, you know, I slept for the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never, I've not slept for the night for decades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because every time when I shift in my bed, my shoulder will get really painful and will wake me up from the pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But somehow that night, he wasn't walking up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, since then, his shoulder was repaired without me ever touching the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of how powerful the systemic approach is, and how your whole body is important to help you heal a local problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of times, people do one treatment, and they get great results.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sometimes, you know, everyone's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what's going on in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is our toxicity going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there vitamin deficiency?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have enough amino acids?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all these things play into whether or not that healing is gonna be,
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[SPEAKER_01]: as far as we can push it, so some people may push it all the way through and they are repaired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people may be halfway through and they're like, well, I'm still having symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we may need to do another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is where the integrative approach comes into play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why I emphasize doing so many things at the same time of getting stem salt treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I make sure people take certain supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have supplements that
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[SPEAKER_01]: to give you proper amino acids as building blocks, to give you all the minerals, so your body can signal, and then there's another, you know, and then we can, you know, optimize mitochondria function or help the cells to come out of the bone marrow and circulate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are different supplements I add.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are also peptides that gives more specific signaling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For any muscular skeletal injuries,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to our stem cell treatment, because it's not just good for musculoskeletal repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great for brain repair for immune system health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The VPC-157 is great for gut health, gut repair, and the TB-500 also remarkable evidence on cardiac repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I give people these two peptides, all of a sudden we're hitting all these systems,
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[SPEAKER_01]: organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that will be my approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would prefer to do an IV and then local injection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, local injection will be a lot cheaper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned, you know, expenses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are actually, I was just reading a review from my patients saying that our prices are very reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we actually give people significant discounts if they cannot afford it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can demonstrate their income level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We give them a lot, a lot of discounts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we try to make it affordable to people, as much as we can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people,
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[SPEAKER_01]: one treatment that's all it takes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people maybe three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have to look at what's going on with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have pre-imposed treatment recommendations
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[SPEAKER_01]: diet is really important exercise is really important activate your body detoxification is important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all those things should come together then you will heal faster and heal more completely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't need to just keep doing this for the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, if you don't injure yourself, you don't need to come see you as again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's all about removing the cause of the problem, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause of your problem, one is the injury, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't get rid of it, as long as you don't continue to injure yourself,
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is one reason you need to be a little bit more gentle with it when it's healing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to keep injuring itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other reason is because your body was not keeping up, so then we have to address that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, these different layers are important to address.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like somebody with autoimmune conditions or even diabetes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what was the cause, why do you have diabetes and your friend doesn't have it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is going on in your body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that trigger them to have diabetes or autoimmune disease, then or lingering injuries, then those same causes are still there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though temporarily we can get you better any micro back, which is what I've seen people, people don't want to do a lot of the work, or maybe we haven't been able to uncover all the causes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe it's microbiome dysregulation, and the hormone, you know, we're missing certain kind of hormones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do hormone replacement as well, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: fine tune enough, fine exact hormone that is really the culprit of getting the along the person's body to be more sluggish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we need to remove the causes and that's why the comprehensive approach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you
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[SPEAKER_02]: assess all of these things because you've got to figure out where are the root causes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have such a long consultation with patients to really understand what kind of what are the cluster of symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's our lifestyle habits?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're past medical history and really do a deep dive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can order labs a lot of times we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a patient may not want to do it, but we always recommend they may have, they may be already following up with an integrated doctor, so they may already have certain labs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, it can be overwhelming, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're literally readjusting life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if person comes to me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: with all kinds of issues is really hard to address everything all I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We may have a peeled onion layer by layer if a person has a severe health issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the person is pretty healthy and just have one, two things that that need to be dialed in and that's much easier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I could imagine because when somebody gives you some symptoms, and they'd say a little bit of history, but if it were me because I'm not professional like you, I would be like, well, it could be homens, it could be thyroid, it could be that, yeah, you're living near a coal mine, or I don't know, it could be so many things why that person has those symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like he said, it's like peeling an onion,
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[SPEAKER_02]: what you think could be some of the root causes, and then if that doesn't work, you just just keep going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is what we're all doing in this spaces and the biohacking space is when you have an issue, we're like, we just keep going and going and going and because you're
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually it's your traditional doctors have kind of failed you and you still feel bad even though your labs are normal and all that stuff, so it is You know, I used to joke when I was working at the psychiatric emergency room They called it was at the CYA labs So everybody that comes into the psychiatric emergency room, we check all these labs and I know to me I know most of the time he's a bullshit, it doesn't do anything
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's called cover your ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're covering our own asses as doctors just so that we can say we did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We checked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that it's going to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you know, out of the, you know, one 1000s of the chance somebody has something really, really wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the labs will show anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's majority of time is going to show nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we don't do it, then
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if right when we we can't excuse ourselves so it's more for us not for the patient because most of the time It doesn't nothing right because it's not very helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a detailed That's why we have integrated doctors who are actually doing much more in depth and useful labs But if you could just go to regular doctor the labs unless you're about to die or or when something that's really deranged Then you're not gonna see anything so crazy
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, it just seems like a waste of money, waste of resources when you could be a bit more targeted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just remind me because my husband is in a medical field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's an emergency physician and I'll tell him to do his face and last I'm dying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shut it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hear where this is now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hear the stuff that you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Mako, do you have any, I know you listen to like every episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like I have, um, I have two like general questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I still, I mean, I understand the concept, but like the application of the difference between the stem cells, the exosomes and the smaller one that now we're core cells.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that, and then the other question that I have, and it's something I don't believe the science is just kind of like, makes me wonder, like these supplements, like the STEM region are like, oh, like your stem cells are going to go crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand that the do release, but they were released.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have on their same age and the whole concept like it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have is there a place for you for like the what do you come?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Course cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if anyone is using I think you know it looks like it refers to some cell cell or components like the nucleus or other organelles like mitochondria that they use research
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they can generate these from certain cell lines for disease modeling and therapies, but I haven't seen anyone doing something like this yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's some research but we're mostly using exosomes which also will contain DNA, but the sounds like they're just using cellular components.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The exosomes do also have DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a little small pieces.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That that was the whole premise why some people prefer the exosomes because it doesn't have the DNA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you say it's good to have the DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're different kind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's mitochondria DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The DNA, they have a lot of RNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but there are, they do package a little bit of DNA into, but they don't have the whole genome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like an entire genome within the cells, just not large fragments, so small fragments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not gonna get the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, does that answer the question, ma' hope?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I do you ask another question that I'm also very interested in in terms of some of these supplements like STEM region, that claim to activate the STEM cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know too much about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are like releasing themselves from been trapped in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's the mechanism that they have been looking at of why they're more stem cells circulating in the body when it takes them region.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they notice a bump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have a few ingredients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about fighting ingredients in the supplement after taking each ingredient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a 20% increase in the number circulating stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you take off,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The entire supplement, it may increase by 80%, so there's a big bump in how many cells are circulating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when they're sitting in the bone marrow, they're not doing a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just helping your body to repair, but when they're actually floating around and now they can, and they can be put into use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what STEM region is doing is by getting these cells out of the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, we've all heard about bone marrow derived stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So doctors can actually drill into your bones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So usually, at the hip, to get the cells out of there, it's in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That means there, but it doesn't mean it's doing enough because just sitting there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So once you free it up, allowing it to circulate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now you can get some benefits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and if you're patient, if you see any.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're actually using it as part of our treatment because I want to make sure when I get people stem cells, the cells are not just gonna go rest in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we won't keep them circulating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the main mechanisms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to be honest, I think there are other things that these supplements are doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just easier to look at one mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the, I think the drawback of Western medicine
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[SPEAKER_01]: wants to know a single reason for everything when sometimes there are many reasons and makes us feel better that we know a reason there are reasons that are very complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The inventor of this product's question he was going around the world looking for supplements that seem to be good for everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was able to get from different parts of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: something from traditional medicine that they know that's good for everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was expecting that has to do with mobilizing stem cells because stem cells have such a global impact on different organs and different systems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So low and behold, he found out that when people take the supplements, they're more stem cells circulating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for each
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[SPEAKER_01]: supplement each plant, there could be hundreds of different compounds that's all swimming around your body and doing something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some may be inactive, but there may be quite a few that are quite active.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just simply don't know because we don't have the resources to understand what those other compounds are doing, but doesn't mean that they're not doing something really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you put all five different supplements together, there's the beauty of Chinese medicine, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can pretend 20, 30 different things in one concoction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be one compound from this plant, interacting with another compound from that animal, a fragment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're creating a new emerging molecule or emerging interaction that those two
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[SPEAKER_01]: compounds together is interacting with the cell in a way now you have a new property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is why I believe AI is going to help solve this dilemma push us to the new stage in medicine because just from our human brain or losing track is hard to keep track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why Chinese medicine of course they're not keeping track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're looking at a poetic and grand scale or sensory or more conceptual understanding of what's going on because it's so complex that they're searching for patterns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, AI can search for patterns, but AI can detail the exact interactions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where we're going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, okay, so okay, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just did that your family was done region.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you interviewed Dr. William Lee?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about William?
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[SPEAKER_01]: William Lee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen him on social media, but yeah, I don't know him personally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll see if I can connect you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a lot about in his book, which it's all about food and
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that talks about chocolate, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That definitely made me eat a lot more chocolate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not like his favorites for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had to get a depends on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so into history of food and plants and how they can help the body heal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he, so he's got his whole book is full of whatever the objective is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some of his clips as well as in his book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He does talk about,
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[SPEAKER_02]: stem cells being regenerated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, like, I wonder how much compared to actually injecting yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, can you compare those two at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen a whole lot of evidence as far as regenerating stem cells within the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, when you elevate your body's abilities or your function of your entire body, assume all the cells are going to improve, including stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I'm doing a lot more with trying to have optimized mitochondria, I just interviewed a company yesterday, they started as a methylene blue company, so best 365, and now they have a triple formula, something that you take that really helped optimize your mitochondria, and they also have a formula to improve your testosterone level naturally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you use this mitochondrial booster along with that formula that was testosterone, that adds another about 20% of enhancement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which means that just improve the capabilities or vitalities of your cells, now they can make more, they can make more of everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, the good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think looking at that aspect, if you do all the good things in your body, eating healthy, eating things that may help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might have a conjure function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that helps your immune system function better and then all your cells are going to be at a higher level, a functioning at a higher level, including stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I do like about him is he talks a lot about the foods that we should be eating or that's helping, that's really good for us and he doesn't demonize foods, he's got a deep bunks a lot of stuff which is good and doesn't, he doesn't create this fear of don't eat this and don't eat like, you know, he's kind of, for him it's all about what to eat, but at the same time we have to remember, like everything he says, if you're still eating a tonic arbit, a couple of tomatoes, I just don't think it's going to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's as much more complex, yeah, but food, I think is an absolute foundation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just an absolute, and it's hard for me sometimes going out to dinner with people and watching what they put in their body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, he just did something so bad for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I have to refrain, you know, we're out for dinner, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, did your doctor talk to you about what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, okay, it was hard to keep my mouth shut, telling people, because you got cancer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are you sure?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but he's still around, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You seem to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay, she must be there and learn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's one of those people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, just, she's,
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[SPEAKER_02]: keeps going like wow considering like doing everything that you should be doing but she's still not in the best condition, mind you but still here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well sometimes the body can be very resilient and sometimes they just give out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's better to give the body as much chance as you can instead of fighting it, you know, making it more difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your diet look like general it's has always been very important for me Not to put junk in my body like even though I came to the US I think what did I came to the US 1992?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, yeah, just hearing about fast food and how horrible they are for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I almost, I may have eaten hamburger, as far as fast food, no more than three times my life ever since 1992.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how much I try to stay away from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the additive and preservatives are all the junk that they put in food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would try to avoid that as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think first, number one is the boy junk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the drinks, the soft drinks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: high sugar and additive drinks definitely stay away from those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one is to not eat poison that you already know that that are in these highly processed foods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there are some other zones that would trap you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One I think is the
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the fried food, what the frying process can do to food and how it can be carcinogenic, it changes a lot of things, so not to mention oil, but so I tried to avoid fried food and then the
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[SPEAKER_01]: the oil itself, the fat, that's something that's become a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People have a lot more awareness about the bad oil, seed oils, just in the last, I don't know, five, six years, because people weren't talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the seed oils before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were damaging their cell membranes or damaging the causing a lot of inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a lot of people now are coming out saying it's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not enough science.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my philosophy is I guess if I'm gonna eat bad food, I want to know that I'm eating bad food, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But my problem is that like for the most part, I try to eat the food as closely as to where it came from.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when you're talking about something that each and the other rice in order for me to consume,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's not as bad as people make it out to be, but for me, it's a hard task.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's smart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I was living in Hong Kong, I do remember everybody was saying, you know, we eat way too much fried food in Hong Kong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to have a Chinese food.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's just, oh, it's so ugly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's so much fat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so deep fried.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been every time that every restaurant you'd be like well here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be there in a few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you've never been to Hong Kong?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have, I have, yeah, yeah, but you're going in a few days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Christmas and Hong Kong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, how come where are you from?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said that you moved here in 92 from Beijing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, because I moved here in 93 and so I was 16 or 17.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, and I always say the story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I moved here my boobs grew from where from here away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I moved around a lot But but and then my husband was in the military and he was deployed in Colombia and he'd be like oh my gosh Baby, I have to eat this food.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, because it's real food So it's the difference in the flavors and I was like, yeah, it's how you've been to eat food Interesting, so the hormones in in the food
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[SPEAKER_02]: since I don't know since 30 years now for the U.S. And whenever I go back, when I was especially when I was out for a while, the very beginning, I do remember being surprised, like, why does the food taste so weird in the U.S. like I got very stressed and I said everything is sweet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like even the bread was sweet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you get bread in the restaurant, and I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it seemed like she wasn't everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it has this, it has this, yeah, artificial taste to a lot of, a lot of things that are just, and I'm talking about when I would go to like the cheesecake factory and stuff, you know, if you go to a nice high end quality restaurant key.
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[SPEAKER_02]: don't really taste it like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me and actually Dr. Pompa and a few friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Pompa is very well known for detoxification, you know, talking about educating people about toxicity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we went to this mission start Italian restaurant in Los Angeles and we asked them to, you know, that we don't eat seed oil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can they tell us
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and then we asked him what kind of oil they use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So of course, is mostly seed oil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we asked a waiter, can we substitute that with olive oil or butter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he came back with the menu where all the things that cannot be substituted or crossed out basically the entire entree section was crossed out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think we ended up ordering some salads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and some pasta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those were, which is shocking, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the waiter was getting a little snippy with us saying something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we said, well, but this is Italian restaurant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you guys use all of what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, but you're in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was so sad that you go to you think that you're going to a high-end Italian restaurant doesn't mean that you're safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so terrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, and a lot of restaurants don't even carry olive oil because I've started carrying my own salad dressing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I might get some work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to do that, but I'm like I mean, how difficult is it to just have some olive oil on a restaurant?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if we don't have that problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then on, I don't know how it is in Europe's or about like you probably see it in LA as well, but the part that burns me the most about the food company is that they're so good about selling the stuff because even when you think you're buying good food, you really look at the ingredients and it's not so I have a problem with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: trying to sell you something as good when it is not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you're gonna sell junk food, sell it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, at least I know why I'm consuming, but don't try to trick me that I'm consuming something healthy when it's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, do you have...
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Europe we have this ABCDE, like label.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So A is green and E is red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, A is good, E is bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's why I scan everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Help people make healthier choices in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they can kind of have you trust that label that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, because like an avocado or something that has fat would be labeled E.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I'm like, oh, that doesn't, that's no, like, I don't believe this system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In some ways, maybe it helps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't look at that ABCD.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would turn the ball around, read the ingredients, and that's how I do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But people don't have education.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Back to a question about what I eat, I think besides not eating junk, the only other thing I try is to, I try to eat a little bit more protein and avoid carbs if I can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of empty carbs, so, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tatl, not as much, maybe sweep Tatl, squash, you know, I may eat a little bit, King while a little bit, but I try to not have so much carbon, there's so much carbon in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, as some people may be able to process that much better, but I have tried the CGM, right, continuous glucose monitor just for, we love this, it's amazing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that the secret response is that your body, you know, but it's producing all the time, you just not aware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely rice is a huge trigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I grew up on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No wonder I was struggling with weight as a young kid, you know, hungry, eating, and then having trouble, yeah, just my metabolism, probably too much insulin was secluded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes controlling weight a lot more difficult.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I eat whatever I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's so freeing and so incredible because I think I developed a relationship with food where food became scary because I was afraid, you know, like, I'm the when I eat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of just enjoying the moment that I'm wondering, oh my god, you know, this food is going in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to make me put on weight and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and have to starve myself, so it's just a really, really unfortunate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know how your body is responding to things, then you're struggling, so now it's just like eating, just enjoy it, but you just know what to avoid for your body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this one, this one is like we love this question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What supplements do you would say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Person, yeah, I know I don't agree with people who will take hundreds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's really expensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I know plenty of biohackers take between 50 to 100 supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're very proud of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've also seen people who claim themselves to be the most biohacked person in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to have all kinds of issues, problems is probably because even though you think you've got these doctors who are formulating things for you, it doesn't mean that they understand everything of what's going on between these supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're developing a lot of high doses of different molecular structure in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know exactly how each one is interacting
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you also know, you don't know what kind of fillers there are, you know, all the other things that are put in these pills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you just opened yourself up to a lot of potential issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So overwhelming your body with one particular bioactive molecule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the mean that it's going to be a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be too much of one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my tendency is just to very tailored, very careful addition of a few things that I think maybe helpful for me in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I used to take as many as 30 supplements and then I just kind of ditched it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did that for a couple of years and I didn't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I take definitely less than 10 supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the ones that I tell my patients to take, I take because those are foundational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the nitric oxide help with blood purfusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I take it sometimes the perfect amino, giving me enough of the essential amino acids because sometimes not only getting now protein is an issue, but your digestion and your nutrient absorption possibly,
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[SPEAKER_01]: are not ideal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why most people have amino acid deficiencies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're deficient in some kind of essential amino acid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I take that, I take full vague acid, which really is the recycling of nutrients within plants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that should have been in food, but food these days are depleted so I need to ask something extra.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then what product?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I used mother earth labs so that's the product which came from a layer of the earth that was from the crustacean period and where they tracked the product was actually at an area where there's river flowing to the sea so there's a co-mingling of seawater and freshwater and then which means
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[SPEAKER_01]: mineral content so that's that's the product I use you know it's pristine and it's high mineral content and then on top of it I use product from
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[SPEAKER_01]: the best 365 which really great for mitochondria rejuvenation, so help with mitochondria health and that powers everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The best 65?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called best 365, so that's a company name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the products they have a few different products.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of them has methylene blue in it, but a lot of some don't either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I take what's called neural probe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to help protect my brain, because that's something I think we want to keep, we all are little apprehensive about how our brain is and where's going and how long we can keep it sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That has methane blue, have you know, a few other things that help with
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[SPEAKER_01]: penetration tissue delivery, so that I take that in another product called the brain fog, which has this delivery system that's really, really pretty amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oxygenase your system,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is untimed microbial breaks down biofilm and then it puts whatever you're putting the body deeper into your tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can put it top of a pulley or you can ingest it and then allows better adsorption.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's a clean blue with vitamin C and a mineral oxide solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The mineral oxide solution, that's the, a lot of the magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's allows for deep penetration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they've come up with other things that includes, for example, this triple mitochondria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rejuvenator, I guess, has a sperm ordained in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that helps you remove the sperm ordained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to remove the bad things on top of giving you important elements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has an AD, has PQQ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it opens up the cells more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for energy and AD can be, you know, the source of cellular energy, I mean, a mitochondrial energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all these things together, and at night, a formula to help you enhance your sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like a triple combination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you want better rest and then better absorption of certain things, they have a few vitamins in their SPL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I take.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see, what else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to get the regular vitamin DK, magnesium, any of those, are you taking, yeah, periodically, I think I kind of cycle on and off vitamin D sometimes, become like sometimes, malatone and I take quite a bit because I like the antioxidant properties and it's a
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[SPEAKER_01]: and lithium or a tape, sometimes I take it, for, yeah, mood stabilization and helping with, yeah, brain health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I spent about 30 years taking into the presence, with absolutely no positive effect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I finally ditched it and all I'd take now is lithium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, lithium or a tape, not the prescription.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was trained as a psychiatrist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote plenty of lithium carbonate to people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The human in the perfect person is doesn't come from the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it different?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a different compound because it has different combined with, you know, a different molecule, it's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of, you know, the carbonate, you know, the carbon fraction CO3 now has the oral tape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, molecule attached to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that allows just vastly enhanced penetration to the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't really need a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you take 10, 10 milligrams, most 20, you don't take very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But lithium, we start people at 300 milligrams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go all the way up to 1,200, or even 1,500 milligrams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have a massive dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have to check people's kidneys all the time, because they may have kidney damage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't make sense, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you know something that can bring you this beneficial molecule into the brain,
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[SPEAKER_01]: why Blaster and Tire body, but it goes with potential damage organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So lithium, yeah, and I used to take untidy presence, that medical school classmates were actually untidy presence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know until we started talking to each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's at UCLA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, high stress, not eating healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kind of lifestyle we had as medical students, the stress of being scrutinized and and and and the volume of information we have to know and and the rush rushing everywhere and being on different wars, having to show up at 5 a.m. to
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, to pre-round all the patients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then sometimes, you know, this, we may be in a rotation that goes really late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get, there are rotations, surgical rotations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't finish on to after APM.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So by the time I get home and try to eat something,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just stuff something my face and then next morning, wake up at 4 a.m.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how are you taking care of your body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How I was not exercising again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a miserable way of becoming a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was on anti-depressant and then until until I started doing all these anti-aging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: therapies because you know you work as a doctor which can be stressful as well and so more and more stress would do what do we do in Western medicine we increase the dose so then I got to the mountain of what I was taking and that's it like where do you go you have to add another medication so I didn't want to add then you just suffer a little bit right you're doing it until I started
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[SPEAKER_01]: Optimizing my nutrition hormones and detoxification stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this has been yeah It's been what at least step four or five years that I haven't needed any medication That's after taking it for at least 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happier than than ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Yeah, there's a lot a lot to it though
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if we're talking about something at like depression, I think psychology is important is not just physical, right, psychology, how you deal with things happening in your life, how you look at things, frame things,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how much of your reactions was because of past trauma, if you don't deal with that, that's always going to be there, giving you some kind of automatic reaction, that's not beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also you need to align yourself spiritually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to understand why you're here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when people don't know the greater purpose of life, then it's very easy to be trapped into what ego wants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it becomes very small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of purpose, and it's easy to be trapped in dissatisfaction if things don't go the way of the ego.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you don't know the greater purpose, yeah, so then it's going to be a lot easier to be unhappy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my last question before that you go, are you taking us to Zanthin?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could, but it's just there's so many, so many things out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're the skin girl, as well, like you're, you're, you're, you're on the skin Caroline, a fox.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wonder if you're on that's doesn't fit or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are a few supplements, like a senescent, anti-senescent, you know, like a thing that encouraged, yeah, encouraged, what was it called, doesn't elitix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are some things that I've tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Consistently, just those few things I'm mentioning, there may be ones in a while things that help with detox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it can be a little overwhelming, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like some people that's all they do is the supplements and and the bow hacking and of course I'm trying to help a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and also there are people in the world who are not taking only supplements who are not doing all this and then they're doing great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're living a good life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the foundational piece is the most important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We spend all your time on the supplements and you're not learning how to manage your mental stage or stress than you are, you're not going to do that great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's easy to do the supplement then to do the hard work of stress management.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's so attractive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the targeted approach in testing, measuring and assessing, and you know when people say,
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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe you don't need it, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you need just a little bit and not the higher dosages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where we can test and then see how we respond and then test again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always like going on supplements and then I go off of them and then I test and then I re-test and is like, is this something for me, maybe?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need vitamin D and this, you know, the winter or maybe not so much of the summer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you've tasked a more you can see how your body is responding and you just take a little look underneath and sometimes it's like, it gives you just a lot of information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you need to have some extra cash to be testing a little bit of time because it's not so but I'm like, I'm one of those people I walk into in a new country and I'm in the city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, there's a lab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a lab!
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[SPEAKER_02]: need to go to a lab, but I'm just like, that radar is all like, I wonder, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, because we can test quite easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know in some countries you can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not so we need the prescription, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, testing is a pain though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it can be confusing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually going to a retreat in India where they're going to test 181 biomarkers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I do think, you know, yeah, knowing it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think sometimes people also over worry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are variations in markers like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a patient who checked a marker that's indicative of possible cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then that threw her into a loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now she's all worried and what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When it's still, it's a little higher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think sometimes it can do the reverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like a lot of people check for PSA
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's just simple, false alarm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be some small variation in the range, but doesn't mean that there's potential cancer but I think some people have lost their prostate because of these markers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably completely unnecessary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to be very careful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, you're right, absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when we need help with interpretation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the right person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, I'm going to let you go joy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was been a joy to have you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so glad that you, you came on and I have a link to your website, to your podcast, and everybody can find out a little bit more from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to, they want to dig a C, you obviously, you can check you out in your clinic and try some some cool rigidity and medicine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything you want to share with us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, maybe just, so if you
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, is that of incorporating everything in the clinic, everything that there is in, in regenerative or or in holistic medicine, I want to
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[SPEAKER_01]: give people the things that I'm really going to move the needle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, stem cell therapy is a huge thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we see that every day in what it can do for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's really fun because we're able to help people who just can be helped by all these specialists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, we can help people to look better and feel a lot younger and look younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the stem cells, but in addition, the peptides are really helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also do ozone therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We use energy therapy, so light sound.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now we're including plasma freezes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the total plasma exchange, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: T-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p
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[SPEAKER_01]: thinking that this is going to make the whole truck better, but no, you better remove the vat ones, right, or apples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to remove the elements that's keeping you back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, these are the range of things that are really exciting that, you know, to have because I really, I know, it can make a huge shift for people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope people, anybody who sees you or learns more about you, get back to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear your experience, but yeah, joys got loads and loads of clinical experience that I think if I were to ever do stem cells, I'm heading to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you'll be very happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you enjoy the content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if so, please rate and follow this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To learn about everything I do, including my memoir, Tiger of Beijing, you can go to www.doctorjoycom.com.
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