Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Motive Question (9/6/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. As
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the Brian Koberger investigation was unfolding, one of the main
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questions that we had here on the podcast was how
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Brian Koberger ever met any of these girls. And once
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we found out about Maddie Mogan and her working at
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the Mad Greek and what People Magazine had said about
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Brian Koberger going to the Mad Greek, I've always thought
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that that's where Brian Koberger had his first contact with
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Maddie Mogan. And I think from there, that's where things
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spiraled out of control. Now that Mad Greek restaurant is
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no longer open up there in Idaho, by the way.
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And when this was all first going down, there was
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a lot of people, including the owners from that Mad
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Greek restaurant, who denied the reports that Brian Kohlberger had
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ever been there. But I had people reach out to me,
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people who had worked there, saying that that wasn't the case,
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that Brian Kohlberger had been in there multiple times. Well,
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now there's a new book coming out by James Patterson.
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And in this book that was released on Monday, they're
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going down that same road. And according to the author,
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James Patterson, the most likely introduction Brian Koberger had to
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any of these girls or victims was at that restaurant.
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So in this episode, we're going to dive into an
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article from ABC News and talk a little bit more
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about Brian Koberger, this new book, and the Mad Greek. Headline,
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new book on University of Idaho murders sheds light on
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Brian Kohlberger's potential motive. This article was authored by Kena
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Whitworth and Emily Shapiro. A new book on the University
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of Idaho murders attempts to lift the veil on the
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secrecy that shrouded the case, revealing what those closest to
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the students believe was the motive behind the admitted killer
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Brian Kohlberger's brutal crimes. And remember, today there is a
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hearing about the gag order. So we'll know a lot
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more about if the gag order is going to be
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lifted anytime soon or not. And at this point, with
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sentencing being the only thing left, it's time to go.
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That gag order has to be dropped. And I thought
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that that gag order was way restrictive from the very beginning.
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And I still think so now. Look, I understand why
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they needed it, why they used it, but I don't
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like it. And I think they went too far with it.
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And them using that gag order in the manner they
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did created a bunch of fertile ground for a bunch
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of morons to come up with a bunch of bullshit.
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And as we all know, that's exactly what they did.
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Best-selling author James Patterson and investigative reporter Vicki Ward teamed
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up for a new book release on Monday, The Idaho 4,
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An American Tragedy. The book not only poses a potential motive,
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but also sheds light on Kohlberger's life before the killings
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and follows multiple points of view of the timeline of
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the crime that sent shockwaves through Moscow and skyrocketed to
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national attention. And I remember waking up the day after,
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and I looked at my girlfriend and I said, this
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story is going to be huge. This is going to
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be a gigantic story, especially considering the circumstances in which
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this went down. We have this little sleepy college town.
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We have four college kids just sleeping in their house.
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They get murdered for no reason. Yeah, that's going to
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be a huge story. Well, I had no idea just
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how huge it was going to become. For people who
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have followed this story, we wanted to give them closure,
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Patterson told ABC News. What he really means is he
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wanted to make some money, but that's cool. We'll take
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some closure. Roommates Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Zanna Kernodel,
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and Kernodel's boyfriend Ethan Chapin, were all stabbed to death
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at the girls' off-campus house in the early hours of
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November 13, 2022. Patterson and Ward conducted over 300 interviews
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with people who have ties to the case, including family
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and friends who believe Mogan was the target. And I've
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said that now for a while. At first I thought
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it was Kaylee, and that's because we were hearing the
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reports about the damage that was done to Kaylee's body
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by the killer. But it turns out that it was
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Madison Mogan. At least that's what it looks like. And
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the rage that we saw with Kaylee... was Brian Koberger,
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bitch ass Brian Koberger, taking out his anger that Kaylee
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ruined his time with Maddie. He didn't expect Kaylee to
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be there. He thought it was going to be Maddie alone.
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He was going to be able to have whatever fucked
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up disgusting fantasy played out. But that wasn't the case.
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Kaylee happened to be there and it threw Brian Koberger's
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plan into chaos. And that's why you see the overkill
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when it comes to Kaylee. That also led, by the way,
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to Zanna and Ethan being murdered. Because if it was
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just Maddie, if she was there by herself, Kohlberger would
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have did what he did and he would have crept out.
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There would have been no FBI, no gigantic investigation like
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we saw, and he probably would have got away with it.
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The problem for Kohlberger was that he wasn't expecting Kaylee there,
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and when he saw her there and the fight ensued,
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things went south. but I think one of the biggest
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tells when we're talking about the crime scene and the
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state of the body is that there was overkill with Kaylee,
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and that leads me to believe that Maddie was the target.
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There was consensus that it was Maddie that Kohlberger was
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going for, and the victim's families, I think, would all
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agree with that, Ward said, and I think that's probably
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the consensus with anybody who's followed the case at this point,
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that Maddie Mogan was the target of Brian Kohlberger. But obviously,
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it's still speculation that We don't have confirmation one way
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or the other, but the evidence certainly points us in
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that direction. A Moscow police alleged Kohlberger's cell phone records
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show his phone appeared to be close to the victim's
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house on at least 12 occasions between August and the
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night of the murders, almost always late at night. Yeah,
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because he was casing the joint. If you listen to
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my episodes from early on, I basically called all of this.
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This is what I said he was doing. Bro was
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casing the joint, was making sure that he had the right,
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you know, pathway, had the right house, knew their movements,
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knew what time they were going to be awake, what
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their habits were. That's what he was doing. And it
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reminded me of the shit that Francis Dollarhide was up
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to in the book Red Dragon. If you've ever read
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the book or saw the movie Red Dragon, you know
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that he would go and, you know, stake out these houses.
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He'd sit out there for hours on end, watching the families.
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And that's what Brian Koberger was doing when it comes
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to King Road. And I think that was relatively obvious
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from the beginning. And the reason he was always there
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late at night is because that's when he planned to
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commit his crime late at night. So he's going to
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go and make sure the whole scenario is right. Make
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sure the situation is acceptable. That way, when the time
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comes to carry out his disgusting ass bitch made attack,
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he has all his ducks in a row. The book
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described what it calls a recurring nightmare the victim friend,
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Emily Allent, had after the murders. Allent said she imagined
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that the now-admitted killer went to the restaurant where Mogan worked,
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expressed romantic interest in her, and was rejected, prompting him
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to retaliate. When the friends are told that the guy
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who murdered their friend is this guy, Brian Koberger, they
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don't recognize his photo. They can't put it together, Ward said.
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That's when Emily said, The only explanation that she and
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her boyfriend Hunter Johnson could come up with is the
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story that we tell as the story of her dream
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that Brian Kohlberger targeted Maddie and that he doesn't know
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the exact details, but that's her best guess. And yeah,
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I think that that's a great guess. I truly believe
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that Maddie was the target for all the reasons we discussed.
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But with that said, I surely remain open to any
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kind of evidence or any kind of information that leads
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us somewhere else. But as of right now, I don't
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think we've seen anything that would lead us to believe
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that anybody else was the target besides Maddie. And I
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think one of the tells is, where did he go
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right away? Right to Maddie's room. And if he was
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taking the house out, then he most assuredly knew where
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Maddie's room was, what Maddie was up to. And according
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to reports, one of the places where they think Brian
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Koberger was watching the house from, he had a direct
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line into Maddie's window. So I think that the evidence
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is overwhelming that Maddie was the target and but we
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just don't have that confirmation from any authorities yet. So,
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of course, it's all still speculation. Prosecutors said Mogan was
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the first of the four killed. A knife sheath with
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Koberger's DNA was found under her body, officials said. The
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book also delves into Koberger's life as a criminology PhD
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student at nearby Washington State University at the time of
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the killings. Koberger, the criminologist, had such training for this,
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and he almost committed the perfect crime, Patterson said. Had
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he not left the knife sheath, he probably wouldn't have
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got caught. And that's the truth. This dirty rotten son
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of a bitch thought he was just going to kill Maddie,
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and he would have got away with it. And we
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all know he would have went and killed somebody else.
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But knowing what we know, if he didn't leave that sheath,
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bro would have got away with it. And that's terrifying
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to think about. In the wake of the shocking crime
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as police searched for a suspect, one of the key
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sources of information was a surviving roommate, Dylan, who told friends,
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including Alant, what she saw on the night of the murders.
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It was really through Emily that we learned of what
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sort of roommate Dylan had gone through, Ward said. It
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sounded so surreal to them all because she said he
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had a black mask and he looked like he was
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carrying a black vacuum. And they're sitting there thinking, who
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could this be? And what on earth has happened? And
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we got a lot of questions answered as far as
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the motivation of the 911 call and when it was
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made and why somebody said that there were unconscious people there.
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So in that new documentary that's on Amazon. the Idaho documentary,
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it goes into the details of the kids who actually
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came to the house and made the phone call and
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it gives you more context. So if you get a chance,
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I would say watch that documentary. It doesn't really add
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too much, but you get to hear from people who
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were actually there and from the kids who made the
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phone call. And that was the context that we were
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missing for all these years. Kohlberger was arrested nearly seven
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weeks after the murders. After maintaining his innocence for more
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than two years, on July 2nd, Kohlberger admitted to the
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quadruple killings in court and pleaded guilty to all counts.
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He'll be sentenced to four consecutive life sentences on the
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four first-degree murder counts and the maximum penalty of 10
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years on the burglary count. Now as families prepare for
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next week's sentencing hearing on July 23rd, Patterson and Ward
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are hoping to give readers a true sense of the
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four victims. You will meet Ethan and Kaylee and Maddie
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and Zanna, Patterson added. You will meet them and you
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will feel them as human beings. And that's great, that's
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what it should be on. Once this son of a
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bitch Brian Kohlberger is sentenced, we should forget about his
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bitch ass and never even think about him again. Unless
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there's a helicopter ride coming, and if there is... I
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want to do the pushing. I spoke to Stacey Chapin,
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Ethan's mom, and she did say, which was wonderful to hear,
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that she's so glad that this book exists because it
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means that they're not forgotten, Ward said. It's a tribute
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to them and their lives. And that's awesome to hear.
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Because it should be about the victims. From here on out,
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that's what it should be about. About Maddie. About Zanna.
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About Ethan. About Kaylee. And fuck this piece of shit
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Brian Kohlberger. I mean, I'm sure everybody wants to take
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this guy apart piece by piece. So as far as
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I'm concerned, once we get as much information as we
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can get out of him, then his bitch ass should
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be locked under the prison and never heard from ever again.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box. What's up everyone and
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welcome back to the program. One of the questions that
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everybody still has as far as these murders go, surrounds
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the motive. What was the motive that Brian Koberger would have,
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according to authorities, to kill these four college students while
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they were in their beds? And that has been a
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big mystery since this all started. Everybody has been asking
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that question. Why would he do this? And why would
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he target these kids specifically? And when it comes to
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murder cases... and it comes to trials, a lot of
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times on TV, you'll hear them talk about, well, you
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have to have a motive to make an arrest. That's
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not the case. You don't need a motive to get
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a conviction in court. If all of the other evidence
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is pointing at somebody, motive is not needed to secure
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that conviction. Now, of course, it helps make your argument
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as prosecutors when you can point to a reason why
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somebody would commit crimes like this. certainly bolsters your argument.
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But sometimes there are just sick, degenerate people out there
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like Mr. Koberger, it would seem, who don't have any
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rhyme or reason that goes with their madness. And who
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knows what it's going to end up being here. But
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I wouldn't be shocked if we find out that there
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is no motive whatsoever besides this guy's own degenerate thoughts.
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But as far as motive needed for a conviction, it
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is not necessary. Just like the murder weapon is not
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necessary either. So today we have an article from Newsweek.
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And in this article, we get the opinion on all
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of this of Bobby Chacon, an ex-FBI agent. So let's
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dive into the article. Headline, why Brian Koberger's motive is
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not important for conviction. Ex-FBI agent. This article was authored
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by Kalita Rockman. The motive of the suspected killer of
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four University of Idaho students is not important for securing
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a conviction, according to a retired FBI agent. And it's not.
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I know that there's that myth out there, like I
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said in the opening, but you really don't need that
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motive if you have all of that other evidence. Now,
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if you have no other evidence... And you just say, hey, look,
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this person killed so-and-so. Well, you're going to have to
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prove that, right? You're going to have to provide evidence
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and build your case, all of that stuff. But we've
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already seen the probable cause here. We've seen what the
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police have compiled so far. And it's damning as hell.
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You don't need a motive. Not when you have all
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of the other evidence that they have compiled so far.
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And that's just what we know of. Can you imagine
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what they're cooking up behind the scenes? Brian Koberger, 28,
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is charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one
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count of felony burglary in connection with the slayings of
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Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. A
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probable cause affidavit, unsealed on Thursday, revealed investigators used DNA evidence,
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surveillance footage, and cell phone records to connect Koberger to
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the crime. He was arrested at his parents' home in
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Pennsylvania on December 30th and returned to Idaho to face charges.
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So it's not like they swooped them up on some
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flimsy charges here or on some flimsy evidence. Very strong evidence.
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Strong enough that the judge didn't offer bail. Strong enough
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that that probable cause warrant was signed pretty damn quick.
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And if it continues on this path, Brian Koberger's cooked, folks.
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I haven't seen one thing yet that would lead me
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to believe that he isn't the man that the authorities
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say he is. Obviously, he is more than entitled to
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his due process, but from my spot over here in
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the peanut gallery, old boy looks as guilty as anybody
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I have ever seen. But one aspect of the case
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that the affidavit did not shed any light on was
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the motive for the killings. Bobby Chacon, a retired FBI agent,
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said he believes investigators are gathering evidence that may shed
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light on Koberger's motive. And I'm pretty sure that they're
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doing that as well. They have to rebuild everything that
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he did online. They have to rebuild everywhere he went.
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And it's not an easy process. But once you have
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somebody in your crosshairs the way the FBI and the
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investigators do here, it's a whole hell of a lot
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easier to build a profile on them and a working profile.
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of what they were up to, where they were going,
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who they were hanging out with, what sort of establishments
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they were at, all of that, because it's all going
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to come into play. They have to figure out how
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Koberger got these girls on his radar to begin with.
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And that seems to be the mystery right now that
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nobody can figure out. How did he even know about
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these girls? Where did he find them? Where did he
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come across them? I've said for quite some time now
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that I believe it was probably at the Mad Greek restaurant,
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considering all of the other factors, but it could have
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been anywhere else too. A coffee shop, a supermarket, at
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the movies. We just don't know. I think they've got
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an idea of the motive and they're looking for more
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evidence of that motive. He told News Nation's Brian Enten
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on Sunday. But it's not necessary to determine what the
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motive was to secure a murder conviction, Chacon said. And
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that's a fact. I know there's a lot of folks
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out there that think, you know, you need a motive.
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You need a weapon. You need a body. And while
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all of that stuff does make the prosecution's job a
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lot easier, it is not necessary or required to get
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a conviction. As an investigator, motive was the least important
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thing I did, because most murder statutes, you don't need
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to prove why somebody does it. My main thrust as
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an investigator was, who did this crime, and how do
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I prove it? How do I help the prosecution get
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a conviction, he said, and that's really what it comes
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down to. I don't need to prove motive if I
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can prove that you murdered somebody. All I need to
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prove is that you murdered them. The why of it
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was always the least important of it for me, unless
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it led to other things in the investigation, unless it
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is the blunt defense motion, a defense assertion that it was,
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you know, self-defense or something like that. And we know
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that's not the case here. There's zero chance Brian Koberger
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is going to be trying to use a self-defense case
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when he's in somebody else's home there to commit murder.
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So again, the motive is really not something that is
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needed as far as prosecution goes, but it's certainly something
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that all of us would like to know. Obviously, everybody
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wants to wrap their mind around why somebody would do
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something like this. And even if it's something that we
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can't understand and something that doesn't correlate with regular thinking people,
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I think everybody wants to know what would motivate Brian
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Kohlberger to do some shit like this. Before students were
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found dead in an off-campus rental house in in Moscow, Idaho,
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on November 13th. Gonsalves, Mogan, and Kernodle lived there with
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two roommates who were not harmed. Chapin was visiting Kernodle,
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his girlfriend. Following the murders, weeks went by without an arrest,
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and police released few details about the investigation, leaving the
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town on edge. The affidavit revealed that Koberger was on
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law enforcement's radar by late November and that a warrant
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for his arrest was requested after DNA taken from the
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trash outside his parents' home was matched with DNA on
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a knife sheath recovered at the crime scene. And it's
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still bananas to me that Mr. Criminal Minds over here, Mr.
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Mandy Patankin from CSI, is leaving his sheath at the
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crime scene. What an absolute moron. A Pennsylvania native, Koberger
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had arrived in Pullman, Washington, just across the state border
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from Moscow sometime last summer to begin his doctoral studies
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in criminology at Washington State University. According to the affidavit,
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cell phone records show his phone was near the area
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where the murders occurred at least 12 times prior to
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November 13th. So for the investigators, that establishes a pattern
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that establishes more probable cause for them to arrest Brian Koberger. Remember,
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all of that stuff that they were collecting, all that
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circumstantial evidence is what led up to that probable cause
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warrant being drawn up. Investigators will continue to look into
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what the motive was because prosecutors always like to tell
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the jury the story of why this happened, Chacon said.
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But why certainly is not needed for a conviction. It's
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not required by the statute. And it's not. But he's
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not wrong. The jury's going to want to hear what happened.
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But with all of the other evidence that has been
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provided just circumstantially, my guess is even without the motive,
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they're going to paint a very vivid picture for these jurors.
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Determining motive is always the most nebulous part of a
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case like this, Chacon added, because quite frankly, there is
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no rational reason to do this. And when we find
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out the why, it will be very unsatisfying. Yeah, it
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usually is. It usually is. But as a family member
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or a friend of one of the murdered, you always
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want to know why it happened. So it's going to
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be important for that portion of this anyway, for them
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to determine what the motive was. Prosecutors, attorneys, and investigators
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can no longer talk about the case after Judge Megan
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Marshall issued a gag order last week prohibiting any of
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the parties from talking about anything reasonably likely to interfere
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with a fair trial. But Jason Labar, the public defender
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who represented Koberger in Pennsylvania, previously said Koberger is eager
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to be exonerated. Well, I'm eager to hit megabucks or
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the lottery today. And that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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So Mr. Kohlberger should probably batten down the hatches and
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get ready for the long haul. All right, folks, that's
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going to do it for this one. If you'd like
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to contact me, you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com.
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That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find me on
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Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that I discussed
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can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the program. Former FBI agent Jennifer
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Coffendaffer is offering more opinion on the murders and on
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what might have driven the person or persons responsible to
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do this. And the theory that she's talking about is
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one called femicide. Now, for those of you who have
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been listening to the podcast, we've talked about this at length,
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considering what's going on down in Mexico and how there
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are so many missing women in so many different regions
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down there and how femicide is a legit big time problem.
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And even in the Shanquilla Robinson case, the Mexican government,
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they're rolling with the femicide charges here against the killer
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of Shanquilla Robinson. So femicide is something you see down
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in Mexico. It's a law down there. In America, we
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don't have a femicide statute. So it's not something that is,
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you know, pursued when somebody is murdered. They don't call
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it femicide here in America. But in Mexico, it's certainly
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a much more prevalent charge. So before we dive into
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this article, I wanted to take a minute and let's
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talk about what femicide is. And to do that, we're
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going to use the Wikipedia entry. Femicide, or femicide, is
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a hate crime which broadly defined as the intentional killing
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of women or girls because they are female. But definitions
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of it vary depending on cultural context. In 1976, the
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feminist author Diana E.H. Russell said, first define the term
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as the killing of females by males because they are female.
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Others broaden the meaning of the term by including the
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killing of females by females. In many Central American countries,
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where organized crime is a prevalent issue, the term femicide
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is used in reference to the violent killing of women
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and girls, which are frequently perpetrated by gang members, a
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crime which is primarily committed in order to stoke fear
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and compliance among civilians. Opponents argue that since over 80%
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of all murder victims are men, the term places too
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much emphasis on the murder of females. However, a partner
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is responsible in almost 40% of homicides involving a female
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victim compared with the 6% of homicides involving a male victim.
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In addition, femicide may be underreported. An alternative term, gendercide
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is considered more inclusive. However, some feminists argue that that
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the term perpetuates the taboo of the murder of females
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and enables the continual dominance of male structures in society.
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Feminists also argue that the cause of femicide are often
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different than those for androcyte. Whereas androcyte is often linked
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to street violence, much femicide involves domestic violence and forced abortions.
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Now look, down in a place like Mexico, this is
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a real big problem. And if you've listened to the
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podcast for a while, we've talked about people like the
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Bonnie Escobar. We've talked about people like Ardiana Lopez and
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the things that they went through as far as their gruesome,
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brutal murders. And then how the prosecution tried to cover
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up for that. So down there in Mexico, it is
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a big thing. But we certainly have our own problems
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here in America when it comes to violence against women.
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And unfortunately, In some of those cases, that violence turns
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into death. So before we dove into this article, I
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just wanted to talk about femicides real quick, just briefly,
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so everybody had a base of what it actually meant
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and what it was when Jennifer Coffendaffer starts discussing it here.
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So with that said, let's hit this article from Newsweek
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and let's get caught up. Headline, ex-FBI agent shares femicide
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theory on Idaho murders. This article was authored by Kalita Rockman.
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The murder of four University of Idaho students last month
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may be a case of femicide, according to a former
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FBI agent. Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan
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Chapin were found dead in an off-campus rental house on
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November 13th. The women lived at the house with two
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other female roommates who survived the attack while Chapin, Kernodle's boyfriend,
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was visiting. Christmas Day marked six weeks since the brutal
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slaying stunned the tiny town of Moscow, where the local
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police department have yet to identify a suspect or make
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an arrest. When this story was first breaking, I was
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convinced that they'd have it wrapped up relatively quickly. I
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figured the investigators would hit the house, they'd collect some DNA,
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they'd talk to some of the other people around, and
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they'd have a suspect. Well, here we are six weeks later,
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and none of that's occurred. Thanksgiving, come and gone. Now
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it's Christmas Day and still nothing. No suspects, no people
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of interest, and no justice yet. Investigators on the case
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will be looking at everyone associated with each victim, starting
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with their families and inner circles, said Jennifer Coffendaffer, a
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former FBI agent. Because it hasn't been solved yet, I
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believe their past, the inner circles of these individuals, perhaps
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it is more of a very outlying individual, she told Newsweek.
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And that's where I'm at right now, too. Obviously, that
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can evolve as we get more information and more context.
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But the longer this goes without somebody being caught or
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a real strong suspect being pointed at, the more I'm
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convinced it's somebody on the very fringes of their life
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or somebody they have never met at all. Coffendaffer said
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one theory is the killer is someone that may have
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built up anger against one of more, one or more
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of the slain students. But another theory she is leaning
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towards is the killer is someone with perverted thoughts and
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anger towards women in general, who took the opportunity to
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strike on the night of the murders. Very possible. Now, look,
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I don't know if I buy into this femicide theory
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in this instance, but I'm not too sure if I'm there,
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but it's certainly an interesting theory to discuss, considering we
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don't really know the motivation. We don't know who the
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person is. We don't know their psyche. We can't rule
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it out. That's for damn sure. They're known as incels.
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Who has watched this house? Who is seeing all of
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these beautiful girls go in and out and their rage
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and their own personal horrific desires they realized that night.
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And remember, that's what I was saying too. This could
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be somebody who has been watching them and then the
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night of the 13th or morning of the 13th, well,
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that was the perfect time to strike. I mean, timing
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it right around the holidays like that. So if it
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was premeditated, that leads me to believe that this crime
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was committed when it was committed for maximum impact on
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the families and on everyone around them. Right around the
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holidays to do this? I mean, obviously there's no optimal
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time for somebody to get murdered, but right around the
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holidays is really just unbelievably callous. Somebody still in that area,
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somebody that has seen these beautiful girls because only girls
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live there, right? An individual with absolutely horrible, murderous desires
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against these women, a femicide type case, and it came
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to a boiling point combined with an opportunity. And we
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can't rule it out. When you're talking about something like
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this with no rhyme or reason, I don't think anything
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should be taken off the table besides the most crazy
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stuff like, you know, drug dealers or stuff like that.
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And while you can't completely rule that out, I think
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you can put that at the bottom of the likelihood chart.
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Femicide is defined as the intentional murder of women because
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they are women. There are two categories of femicide, intimate
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and non-intimate. The former relates to the killing of women
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by current or former partners, while the latter involves the
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killing of women by people with whom they did not
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share an intimate relationship. And as we work through this,
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it looks like nobody who was connected to these girls
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is responsible. Certainly not Jack, according to the police, or
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anybody else that was around them or in their orbit.
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So the question remains, who is this person or persons
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who is responsible for these murders? And when you're trying
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to figure that out, you can't leave any of these
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theories or any of these profiles off the table. And
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I'm sure the investigators are going through all of these
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with a fine tooth comb. And with BAU there, I'm
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sure they have an abundance of profiles built. The killer
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may have been someone who attended a party at the
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house or knew the victims very loosely, she added. Now,
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I don't know if they attended a party here. I
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have a feeling that if this is the case and
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they were murdered by somebody not in their circle, that
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it's a complete stranger. Somebody who might have seen them
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at work. I haven't heard enough about what happened at
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that Mad Greek. You know, the restaurant they worked at.
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We haven't heard from anybody who works there, really. Were
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the girls being oogled at? Were there weirdos in there ever?
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I would guess so. It's right on the 95. One
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of the biggest arterials running through the state. In other words,
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the people there might not even know him, other than
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that he was around in the peripheral. But somebody who
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would have gone and noticed, she said. So you have
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the perfect storm that night. And this person, familiar with
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the house, familiar with when they came and left, and
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familiar with that area, to be able to leave quickly,
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familiar with the tree line of where they could have
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surveyed the house and seeing the lights go on and
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off and so forth and so forth. That could be
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why police have stated that they believe the murders were targeted,
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but have not concluded if the house or its occupants
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were the target, she said. And that makes sense. But
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my guess is here, and look, my speculation is that
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somebody was watching this house from the wooded area. They
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had a direct line of sight. into the house, into
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those bedrooms, and they became obsessed with these girls. And
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we all know the result. Now, again, that's just my
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speculation based on what we know so far. Could that
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change tomorrow? Hell, could that change this afternoon? Yep. If
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there's more evidence that's provided, wherever the evidence leads us,
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that's where we're going to go here on this podcast.
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Coffin Daffer said, There have been many cases like that
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where people are attacked viciously and it's not by anybody
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in their circle, but rather it's somebody outside that circle
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completely that has issues in and of themselves that they
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acted out on. She pointed to the 1979 murder of
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18-year-old Michelle Martinko, whose killer Jerry Burns was arrested in 2018,
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39 years after she was found dead in her parents'
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car outside a shopping mall in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Martinko
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was killed by a close acquaintance, Kofendaffer wrote in a
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recent tweet. The case was solved with DNA. DNA, perseverance,
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and luck will likely solve the Idaho homicide case too. Well,
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I don't know about the DNA. I mean, at this point,
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they've run that DNA. And it looks to me that
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the person or persons responsible here aren't in CODIS. So
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it's good to have that DNA, right? Because if you
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arrest somebody, you can really smack them hard and get
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that conviction to lock in if you have their DNA profile.
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But if you don't find somebody, you don't have a suspect,
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that DNA is not going to do you any good.
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So I think personally, it's going to be a tip
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from the public that leads to the person here getting
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captured and for justice to be applied. All right, folks,
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that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
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like to contact me, you can do that at BobbyCapucci
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at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can also find
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me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
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I discussed can be found in the description box. It
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is one and welcome back to the program. Whenever you
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have a case that draws as much interest as the
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murders in Moscow has drawn, you're going to get a
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bunch of people speculating on what happened. That's how this works. However,
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00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:20.530
the speculation in this case has been in overdrive since
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day one. People getting all kinds of crazy. talking about
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people by their government name, accusing people of all kinds
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of heinous, wild shit with literally nothing to back it up.
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You have people using spirit boxes and tarot cards. Never
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mind all of the psychics running around telling you that
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they know who killed these girls and then saying that
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it's somebody like a professor. So there certainly has been
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a bunch of yahoos who have come out of the
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woodwork here. And anytime you have a big tent at
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the circus, that means there's going to be more clowns.
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And there is no doubt that the clown car has
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certainly shown up to this investigation. Today, we have an
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article from The Independent and the headline, Online Sleuths Hijacked
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the Idaho Murders Case. Should We Blame Them? This article
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was authored by Rachel Sharpe. They were killed in a
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drug deal gone wrong. It was revenge for bullying another
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student found dead months earlier. A disgruntled student blamed them
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for him being kicked out of a fraternity. A gang
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of frat boys decided to carry on a fight that
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broke out at a party earlier that night. The list
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goes on and on. These make up only a handful
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of the countless rumors and conspiracy theories circulating online in
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the weeks after four University of Idaho students were found
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butchered to death in the small college town of Moscow.
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And the whole drug deal gone wrong stuff, I mean,
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there were people out here talking about it was a
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cartel hit, it was this, that, the other thing, and
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it made my eyes roll back into my head. This
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is not how the cartel operates. The cartel isn't going
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into Moscow and they're not sending an assassin to Moscow
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with a knife to murder four college students. I found
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that theory to be straight bananas that anyone would even
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believe that for one second was just insane to me.
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A disgruntled student blamed them for him being kicked out
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of a fraternity. That didn't sound right either. In fact,
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I thought It would have to be somebody who was
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close to them, meaning an ex lover, something like that.
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But when all of that was proved to be not true,
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obviously it had to be somebody outside of their orbit.
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And unfortunately, that's what it turned out to be. Somebody
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who knew them, but it doesn't look like they knew him.
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But the emerging details appear even worse than the imaginations
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of online sleuths. A highly intelligent, seemingly high-functioning suspect with
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an interest in the criminal mind allegedly entered the home
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in the dead of night, dressed in all black and
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a mask, and stabbed the four victims multiple times each.
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The suspect, Brian Koberger, had no known connections to Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle and Ethan Chapin prior to that
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fateful night and no motive has been revealed The victims
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might not have even known he existed and that's where
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I'm at That's what I believe. I don't think that
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any of these kids had any idea that Creepy Coburger
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even existed. This dude's out here watching them, and I
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can't kick the thought of Francis Dollarhide watching the houses
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in the book The Red Dragon. Dude was out there lurking,
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Setting up a pattern of what the people were doing.
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When they came. When they left. And then at the
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perfect time. He'd go into the house and murder everybody.
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Now obviously. A little different here. But it's the same
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kind of scenario. When you think about this dude. Sitting
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on the house. Casing it. Watching it. And stalking these kids.
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And yet. The affidavit suggests he stalked their home in
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the lead-up to the attack after spending years studying criminal
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justice and how criminals feel while committing their crimes. Then,
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that night, he allegedly executed his own crime in a
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matter of minutes. Perhaps most chilling, one of two surviving
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roommates who were unharmed in the attack came face-to-face with
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the masked man thought to be the killer as he
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left the home. It's something straight out of a horror movie, 100%.
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Imagine being this poor kid, Dylan, and all the attacks
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and all the vitriol that's getting thrown her way. I mean,
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it's quite the leap for people out there to start saying, oh, yeah,
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she was involved. She helped him out. I mean, that's
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just crazy. Don't you think the investigators would know that?
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Don't you think they would have built that into their case?
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So it's ridiculous to me to see people going after
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the victim here and acting like she had something to
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do with this. You want to be mad at somebody,
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be mad at the suspect. Except this is no movie.
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It's real life for the families and friends of the
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murdered victims, for the two roommates who had seemingly a
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close call with the violent killer, and for the students
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and locals of Moscow now left to try and rebuild
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their lives. While America has long been fascinated with true crime,
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The shocking brutality and seeming randomness of the Moscow murders
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sent the internet sleuth community into overdrive. Conspiracy theories and
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rumors have dominated the investigation, with thousands of people joining
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social media groups to discuss their take on what transpired
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and why. Now, you see, I don't really have an
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issue with that. People are going to talk about what
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they want to talk about in these forums. And if
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they want to discuss what their theories are, hey, that's great.
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But when you start talking about people by their government
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name and start saying they're murderers or they're involved in killings,
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that's where it becomes way, way too much. And that's
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where people should face penalties. If you're out here defaming
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somebody and you're calling them a murderer, you should probably
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face some penalties for that, no? One particular group on
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Reddit has now amassed 123,000 members, ranking it in the
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top 1% of all groups on the platform. in terms
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of size. Meanwhile, a Facebook group with users raising theories
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about the case has topped 220,000 members. But are the
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online sleuths a help or a hindrance? There's no doubt
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that the intentions are well-meaning and that many of the
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individuals spending countless hours investigating the case from the comfort
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of their computers had a genuine desire to catch the killer.
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And I agree with that. I would say that the
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vast majority of people following this case, well, they just
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want some resolution and they want the person responsible to
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be held responsible. Then there's some people out there that
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get way too caught up in stuff like this. It
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takes over their lives. It dominates their lives. And they start,
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you know, falling into that rabbit hole. And what the
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big danger is, at least in my opinion, with anything
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like this is chasing your own confirmation bias. And when
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you start doing that, you're in real jeopardy of losing
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the plot. Many who took to Reddit or Facebook to
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share tips about the case told how they had already
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called in the information to the dedicated police tip line.
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But there's also no doubt that throughout the seven week
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investigation before Mr. Koberger's arrest, Moscow police were forced to
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spend a considerable amount of time swatting away rumors. No,
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they weren't. They were not forced to do that. They
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did it. on their own. They could have just said,
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this is an ongoing investigation. We have no comment. But
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when you start getting into the nitty gritty of it,
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you set yourself up for people to dissect every single
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word you say. So that doesn't really help the investigation, right?
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And I think it was a good idea for them
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to move away from those press conferences and just start
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doing the press releases. There's a lot less room for
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misinterpretation when you have a press release that's, you know,
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on paper rather than somebody up there giving a speech
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where reporters can trip him up or get him to
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say something that otherwise he might not have said. And
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the rumors weren't victimless. Several innocent people, many of whom
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were grieving for their friends, were attacked by baseless accusations
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that they were responsible for the brutal crimes. Hoodie Guy,
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who was spotted with Gonsalves and Mogan at a food
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truck hours before their deaths, and Gonsalves' former boyfriend, both
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came in the firing line, while some of the victim's
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families were targeted with death threats. The boyfriend of one
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of the surviving roommates responded to the social media critics head-on,
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slamming a sickening rumor that the couple, and even his
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own father, were involved in the murders. I mean, can
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you imagine sitting around and coming up with this shit
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If you want to come up with fanfiction, write a book.
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You don't need to inject yourself into a situation like
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this with real lives and real people suffering and try
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to make it about you and come up with all
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kinds of weird-ass fanfiction that is not even close to reality.
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Moscow police ended up compiling a list of individuals who
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had been shrouded in suspicion and who they had ruled
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out as potential suspects, a list that the department was
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forced to keep adding to day by day. And that's
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a good thing. Keep adding to it. No need to
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give the interviews. No need for the press conferences. Just
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keep releasing these press releases. And yet one person who
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was never on the radar of the army of internet
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detectives was Brian Koberger. as well as impacting the police investigation,
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the online sleuths, to some extent, also impacted the media coverage,
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which was undeniably shaped by some of the more plausible
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tips that arose first on the likes of Reddit. And
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that's pretty sad, honestly. To all of the journalists out
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there who are covering stuff like this, you have to
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go and develop your own sources. Don't be lazy. Don't
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go on forums and don't spread rumors that are unverified.
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It's worth noting that there have been cases in the
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past where internet sleuths did get answers. When Gabby Petito's
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remains were found after she vanished on a cross-country trip,
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her mother praised the online community for their involvement. They
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are incredible. The sleuths, the internet sleuths, they do a
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great job. They really do, she said. And I think
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that was a little bit different of a case. It's
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like comparing apples and oranges almost. Now, of course, The interest,
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that was on par with what's going on here almost,
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but all of the other things surrounding this case, a
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whole lot different. People pretty much knew right away that bitch-ass, ball-headed, barefooted,
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melon-munching Brian Laundrie was the one who hurt Gabby Petito.
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You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to put it
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together that if you go on a trip with your
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girlfriend and you come home alone, that, yeah, something probably
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went down and you're probably responsible. And the sleuths in
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that case, they helped find her remains using footage, right,
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from the dash cam and different people who were at
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the park. So certainly there are points in time where
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Internet sleuthing and people doing investigations on their own certainly
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have been successful in helping bring people to justice. Look
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at the Golden State Killer. At the very least, there's
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no doubt that Internet sleuths can amplify a case, reaching
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someone who may just hold that key piece of information
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investigators need. Mr. Kohlberger is in custody, having denied the
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allegations against him as he awaits trial. Meanwhile, the online
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rumor mill around the Idaho murders hasn't stopped. Since then,
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sleuths have honed in on an account that regularly posted
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in social media group discussions about the case before his arrest,
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with many believing Mr. Kohlberger to be the person behind
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the account. Others claim to have spotted Mr. Kohlberger in
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footage attending the victim's vigil. The man in the footage
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has since been revealed to be a different man. And
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despite police saying Mr. Kohlberger acted alone, the surviving roommate,
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who states she saw a man believed to be the killer,
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a 19-year-old who has gone through a traumatic experience, is
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now facing relentless accusations of being involved. With interest in
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the case showing no signs of dying down, it's clear
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the online sleuths will continue to build their own investigations,
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for better or for worse. Now I don't even think
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you can call people who are going after the surviving
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roommate an online sleuth, right? How about an online bully?
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Here's an idea. Leave them alone. Pretty simple, right? If
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you want to have anger, you want to have rage,
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you want to have all kinds of vitriol, aim that
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at the suspect. Aim that at the fact that this
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punk-ass motherfucker crept into their house and killed them while
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they were sleeping. Don't blame the 19-year-old girl who went
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through a traumatic experience, and we don't even have the
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context of what went down. That is straight-up ludicrous to me.
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But you're going to have people do what they're going
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to do, and there's no stopping the Internet. We all
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know that. Once the Internet gets rolling, it's like an avalanche.
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So my advice is ignore the nonsense, stick to the
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meat and the potatoes, and you're going to be fine.
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You're going to be on the right path. No psychics,
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no tarot card readers, no spirit boxes. You can miss
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me with all of that weird ass snake oil salesman BS.
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All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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at BobbyCapucci at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can
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also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The
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link that I discussed can be found in the description box. Bye.