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00:00:02.464Some celebrities survive scandal.
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00:00:04.448Others never come back.
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00:00:09.763Right now, sean Combs, aka Diddy, is facing more than just legal trouble.
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00:00:14.345He's dealing with a brand collapse that might be impossible to rebuild.
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00:00:22.594I was recently interviewed by NBC News about what the outcome of this trial potentially means for his reputation and whether a comeback is even possible.
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00:00:25.830Today I'm breaking it down what makes a brand unrecoverable and why this comeback is even possible.
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00:00:29.550Today I'm breaking it down what makes a brand unrecoverable and why this scandal is different.
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00:00:36.329Welcome to the PR Breakdown, the podcast, where I look at the strategy and the psychology behind the headlines.
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00:00:47.234I'm your host, molly McPherson, a crisis strategist and a communicator who helps leaders navigate outrage, backlash and reputation damage with clarity and credibility.
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00:00:50.424And today's topic it's a big one.
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00:01:03.033We're asking is Sean Combs' reputation officially over and that's what Gotti Schwartz was asking me for a segment that aired last week on NBC News.
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00:01:07.131Is there any coming back from this for Diddy?
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00:01:24.528Now I'll walk you through my framework for understanding the point of no return what I call the reputation cliff and show you exactly how a brand or a person in the public eye gets there, using some of the clips from my interview.
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00:01:28.403Let's start with the big idea the reputation cliff.
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00:01:33.400This is the point when a public figure's image goes from damaged to destroyed.
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00:01:41.343There's no climbing back, and it usually happens when three things align One a pattern of bad behavior.
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00:01:46.411Two proof, a video, a lawsuit, a firsthand account.
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00:01:59.703And we've seen it with many scandals that ended careers.
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00:02:17.792Here's a list Taking a deep breath Matt Lauer, charlie Rose, allison Mack, danny Masterson, roseanne Barr, kevin Spacey, ellen DeGeneres, russell Brand, bill Cosby, harvey Weinstein, r Kelly, phil Spector, lance Armstrong, michael Richards, anthony Weiner, jonathan Majors.
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00:02:29.072Then there are some scandals where people recovered Martha Stewart, robert Downey Jr, queen Camilla, ted Danson, jude Law, hugh Grant, david Letterman, ben Affleck.
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00:02:33.631And then there are scandals where people partially recovered.
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00:02:48.814In other words, you see them, but the scandal still lingers Tiger Woods, katherine Heigl, louis CK, janet Jackson, johnny Depp, bill O'Reilly, charlie Sheen, winona Ryder, matthew McConaughey, and there are many more, but we got to get through the podcast at some point.
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00:02:58.002Robert Downey Jr went from mugshots to marble.
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00:03:03.209After years of drug arrests in the 90s and a professional freefall, he reemerged with humility and work ethic.
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00:03:09.242Iron man made him bankable again, but his real rehabilitation came through consistency.
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00:03:10.687He showed up.
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00:03:11.909He stayed sober.
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00:03:15.620He acknowledged his past without self-pity.
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00:03:18.549Just look at his Academy Awards speech.
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00:03:23.502He's known for being respectful on set and self-aware in interviews.
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00:03:29.125The public rewarded Robert Downey Jr for what looked like genuine change.
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00:03:34.038Tiger Woods took a slightly different route In 2009,.
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00:03:36.043His personal life imploded.
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00:03:43.121Do you remember that Thanksgiving weekend when Elin went after Tiger with a golf club?
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00:03:50.592When she found out about his infidelity, there was a press avalanche that threatened to collapse his golf legacy.
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00:03:52.627He triaged immediately.
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00:03:55.168There was a televised apology.
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00:03:57.407It was structured accountability.
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00:03:58.962He told the public.
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00:04:04.925My real apology will come from my behavior over time, and he stuck to that.
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00:04:12.193He did wobble, but he's someone who slowly wanted to make a comeback by 2019, when he won the Masters.
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00:04:15.848A Washington Post poll showed that most Americans wanted him back.
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00:04:25.288There were fans out there who did not want Tiger to go away certainly sponsors, but he did a lot of work off the green as well Charitable foundations, junior golf programs.
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00:04:28.038The public saw effort and not deflection.
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00:04:30.444A third name Ellen DeGeneres.
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00:04:37.084By contrast, the former talk show host lost control of her narrative and she never got it back.
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00:04:41.699Her 2020 workplace scandal wasn't a single misstep.
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00:04:46.249She was accused of longtime bullying, racial discrimination.
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00:04:53.470It was learned that she would fire people for taking time off, for bereavement, for medical leave.
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00:04:57.423There were a lot of leaks about her and Ellen DeGeneres.
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00:05:02.516Let too much time pass from the scandal to apology.
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00:05:10.382But it was a combination of not taking accountability, not taking accountability quickly enough, but also her issues were systemic.
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00:05:17.805The accusations of bullying, racism and firings took place over time and she let it go.
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00:05:21.661And when she finally addressed it on the air, she failed to meet the moment.
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00:05:23.745There was no ownership, no reflection.
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00:05:26.372She made the biggest mistake that celebrities make.
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00:05:29.247She pointed the blame to the media and the internet.
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00:05:32.122They were the problem and that's the fatal move.
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00:05:34.961Blame is not a strategy, it's just a smokescreen.
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00:05:39.531So she was canceled twice her show and the public.
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00:05:45.949Now, why did Robert Downey Jr and Tiger Woods get through it, but not Ellen Time?
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00:05:51.305Robert Downey Jr was spiraling in the 90s, tiger Woods 2009.
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00:05:55.312Ellen DeGeneres was more recent Time fades.
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00:05:57.680Outrage Tone matters too.
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00:06:02.209Downey and Woods triaged their situation immediately.
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00:06:05.535They were more humble, more contrite.
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00:06:06.961Ellen deflected.
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00:06:09.725Her crisis wasn't just bad optics.
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00:06:11.247It was about bad culture.
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00:06:17.062Audiences can forgive mistakes, but they rarely forgive a pattern.
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00:06:22.954But there is a quiet variable that no one likes to name and talk about, and that's gender.
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00:06:27.271Male celebrities often return faster and stronger than their female counterparts.
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00:06:34.435Just compare a Louis CK to a Janet Jackson or a Chris Brown to a Lindsay Lohan.
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00:06:37.341The double standard is alive and well.
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00:06:43.021But the most overlooked factor in crisis response, in my opinion, is this who is the victim?
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00:06:47.610If the celebrity is the only victim, the road back is easier.
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00:06:51.245Robert Downey Jr was his own cautionary tale.
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00:06:58.144Tiger Woods' damage, while personal, didn't extend to workplace or staff.
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00:07:03.362It was his wife and his family and sponsors, but certainly was more contained.
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00:07:05.992But Ellen's victims weren't abstract.
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00:07:13.749They were her employees, and when a scandal involves many people with less power, the path back narrows.
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00:07:19.682Think Harvey Weinstein, think Bill Cosby, think Kevin Spacey.
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00:07:27.928And the real question now is where does Sean Combs land?
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00:07:31.452Let me give you some background in the case before we dive deeper into scandal.
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00:07:49.086In late 2023, the singer Cassie Ventura filed a bombshell lawsuit against Sean Combs, alleging years of abuse, coercion and rape, but it opened the floodgates.
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00:07:50.711Since then, at least 60 other women have come forward with similar allegations.
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00:07:54.487Federal investigators conducted a raid on his properties in Los Angeles and Miami.
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00:08:07.709It was part of a sweeping investigation that reportedly includes sex trafficking, illegal drug use and potential RICO charges thus the federal aspect to the case and Combs is now on trial.
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00:08:12.149We're not seeing live coverage of the trial, but we're getting breakdowns.
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00:08:14.295We have reporters who are in the courtroom.
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00:08:23.370The New York Times, which is how I'm following the case, has updates on their website the volume and the nature of allegations, combined with video footage.
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00:08:34.395My gosh, remember the leaked CNN video from the hotel of what he did to Cassie Ventura and then his attempt at an apology video after that leaked last year.
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00:08:42.524They've fundamentally changed public perception and, outside of that apology video, combs has denied all wrongdoing.
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00:08:47.556There are a lot of celebrities who are nervous about being brought in as witnesses to this case.
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00:08:49.326People are very interested.
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00:08:54.376We're heading into the summer with this case still being a big news story.
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00:08:58.793Now, speaking of news, let's turn to my recent interview with NBC.
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00:09:04.432Here's what I told NBC's Gotti Schwartz when he asked me if Diddy could bounce back from this.
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00:09:11.908It's very difficult because P Diddy, sean Combs, whatever the name is, the name is now a liability.
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00:09:16.236It's going to hurt any brand that affiliates with Diddy.
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00:09:22.293Right now, when your name, your literal brand, is considered a risk.
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00:09:24.678You've lost your most valuable asset.
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00:09:27.652You're not just in a crisis, you're in a freefall.
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00:09:45.219Sean Combs didn't just create a business, he was the brand Bad Boy Entertainment, bad Boy Records, bad Boy Worldwide Entertainment Group, sean John Combs, wine and Spirits, aquahydrate, revolt, media and TV.
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00:09:52.808The whole thing was built around energy, edge and dominance, but now that image is turning against him.
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00:09:54.472That's the shift.
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00:10:01.499The same bold, brash persona that once attracted fans and deals is now considered toxic.
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00:10:08.977And when brands move that quickly at least 18 have dropped him already they're not waiting for a verdict, they're protecting themselves.
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00:10:15.217If you're someone who wants to prognosticate scandals, this is something that you want to watch for.
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00:10:19.264When the currency changes, the brand collapses.
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00:10:22.455Now let's layer in a little research and analysis.
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00:10:30.855A recent Ugov survey found that over half of Americans believe public figures accused of abuse should lose brand deals even before legal outcomes.
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00:10:32.979Then there are the articles.
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00:10:36.409Rolling Stone ran a headline that said from mogul to monster.
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00:10:38.072That's not neutral.
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00:10:39.817That's moral judgment.
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00:10:40.759It tells us.
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00:10:43.269The public is no longer debating guilt.
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00:10:45.875They're moving to disassociation.
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00:10:55.212If you go online and search content creators who are discussing this case, the public is no longer debating guilt, they're moving to disassociation.
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00:10:59.054Now let's talk strategy and silence.
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00:11:02.033Now many celebrities in legal trouble go quiet.
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00:11:10.907It's textbook legal advice Say nothing to avoid self-incrimination, nothing to avoid self-incrimination.
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00:11:14.613But there are a lot of recent celebrities who are given legal advice where they need to subtly use PR moves.
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00:11:29.360They want associates, they want the press, their publicists working overtime to plant stories, to get their version of events out there for the public to decide if they are guilty or not.
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00:11:45.070So there's some influence on the jury and in some celebrity court cases Blake Lively, ryan Reynolds and yes, I'm adding his name into the case and Justin Baldoni and all the people involved we are constantly seeing the machinations play out in social media.
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00:11:51.072That gets picked up in the news, but the court of public opinion moves a lot faster than the legal system.
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00:12:03.192Any name that's associated with a trial, particularly in the Sean Combs trial, even someone who just attended a party hosted by Combs, is going to be thrown into the algorithm, into the digital conversation.
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00:12:07.890When your brand depends on influence, associations matter more than ever.
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00:12:11.438So the question can Sean Combs recover?
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00:12:16.155In my view, he's already way over the reputation cliff.
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00:12:21.033This isn't about rebranding, it's about being written out of the conversation.
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00:12:23.813So what happens when your name becomes the crisis?
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00:12:28.836Your boss's name, someone in the head of your company, someone who you work for?
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00:12:35.258Here's the takeaway for leaders, communicators or anyone just trying to understand how public trust works.
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00:12:37.812Build trust before the crisis.
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00:12:40.133Trust comes with authenticity.
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00:12:44.908Respond with clarity when it hits and lead with values.
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00:12:48.571If you want to survive the backlash, any type of apology or statement has to lead with values.
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00:12:51.524If you want to survive the backlash, any type of apology or statement has to lead with values.
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00:12:59.399It cannot lead with placing the blame on other people, on other events, on the internet, on cancel culture.
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00:13:07.655But most of all, pay attention to how fast the narrative changes, because if you're not in control of the story, someone else is.
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00:13:10.072That's all for this week on the podcast.
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00:13:12.804Thanks so much for listening to this week's PR Breakdown.
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00:13:46.980I love to do them on Friday when news is being dropped, the kind of news that wants to be hidden.
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00:13:57.028So for the PR Breakdown, I'm Molly McPherson, and remember the truth is what sticks, the brand is what lasts and the story is what people believe.
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00:13:58.793Until next time.
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00:13:59.917Bye for now.