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[SPEAKER_01]: Lighting cells actually is a good combo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Light in different frequencies can really help target different tissues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we're giving people stem cell infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only we actually put the cells under light for a couple minutes to activate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only that, if we shine the light on particular organs, that activates certain adhesion molecules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's more interaction, more ability for that organ to trap the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dr. Joy Kong podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I have a chance to share with you some of the latest developments in the space of holistic health, longevity, and wellness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always honored intellectual curiosity and scientific rigor, combined with real world practicality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My goal is that what you learn here will help you live longer and live better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you enjoy the journey with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm sure it's not just doctors who are kind of in the bubble about stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure most people here stem cells and kind of think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sci-fi because well that's where we're at with the general population is because it all of the stuff from medicine just filter down into the general population so it seems like something you know if you talk about stem cells it seems like something a little bit scary maybe it seems like something that only elite people can do it seems like something a bit futuristic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe you can just kind of update us on where stem cells, you know, where stem cell therapy actually is rather than, you know, sexually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so people did not have the concept of stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just human bodies, okay, so just living on and we didn't know how it kept going, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: In late 50s, early 60s, when they started doing bone marrow transplant, they just thought, if we transplant bone marrow from one person to another, it seems to help different conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so if the blood is bad, then if we just transplant, you know, put the bone marrow from one person to another, then we can help this new person recover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't know that there were stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that came about later than we realized, oh, so there were these specialized cells that are very primitive that they have different potentials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So themselves really don't have a lot of functions because they're not a working cell, but they have the ability to start dividing and produce offspring that are working cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they make another copy of themselves to preserve his own population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these cells can replenish their own supply and at the same time, they give you replenishment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can regenerate your tissue or whatever organ or blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they thought we only had stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is how you're all starting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, so those cells are in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize, oh, I guess stem cells are everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every organ has organ specific stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how your organs can continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Liver has liver stem cells, heart muscles, heart muscle stem cells, cartilage of cartilage stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they all have this and every organ has this and stage stem cell, which itself still doesn't do work, but it has ability to replenish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, ever since you were a fertilized egg, you were once a single cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just think of the miracle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from that single cell, it can start dividing and migrating and make these interesting structures and eventually form organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everywhere along the way, just think before it forms the end organ, all those variations of cells are stem cells until it reaches a working cell status.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how we can have all these organs in walking around and functional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, right now, not only in each organ, we have these stem cells, but we have something a little bit more general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like generalist stem cells, which are these mesenchymos stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, everywhere in your body, along your blood vessels, anywhere you have blood vessels, you will have these mesenchymos stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they perform a very specific function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a hot-o-around blood vessels and they have the ability to sense what goes through the blood and they also sense what's going on in the neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like the conductor of the symphony of regeneration for your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they sense something that's passing through your blood, that's really a rescue signal, something that's going on in a particular area that that has that's in trouble like you miss a cut yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then these can freeze themselves into
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[SPEAKER_01]: to find the signal, I always think of a salmon, you know, swimming upstream, to find where they need to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once they get there, they squeeze themselves out of the blood vessel and now they start working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they can send signals into the blood to bring immune system over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they can give signals to local stem cells and make them start regenerate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can recruit and send signals to all the immune cells so they can break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can...
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[SPEAKER_01]: remove debt cells and unnecessary components that's in that neighborhood and now that area is cleaned up and ready for new tissue to form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they they really are the crucial step for regeneration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we have all these stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it has become very famous because it's very easy to grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can multiply them in incubator and then you can give it to people and and they are immune
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[SPEAKER_01]: privileged, which means if I put the cells into, let's say, into Johnny from Jenny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Jenny's genetic material is not going to manifest in the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mesenchymal stem cells and my cease for short, that goes into Johnny is not going to trigger an immune response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not only it doesn't trigger calms the immune system, so much so that you can use these mesenchymal stem cells to give to people who are getting organ transplants that actually reduces their chance of rejection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it has a calming effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these cells, there are a lot of functions of these cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one reason they're so popular because they're so easy to use and they don't cause problems with during transplantation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if the cells are younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the harder it is, because when you, the cells are older, there's less immune, modulating properties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, they also are less adaptable to the new body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also have less ability to recognize cancer cells, because these cells actually have anti-cancer properties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can, they can detect cancer and fight them off and kill them off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the older the cells are, and research have shown that with your direct comparison side by side comparison of Fadrifestem cells, which are MSCs, these MSCs versus on the local core derived MSCs, the Fadrifed MSCs, which is from adult person, will make the cancer grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the um, local core derived MSEs will make the cancer shrink and go away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're very different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just because we're talking about, all of these are mesenchymos then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't mean that you can use them universally from anybody anywhere and they'll perform the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a lot of nuances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it would be interesting to hear more about that if you can share also about the when which it needs to be, you know, like you could take it in whether it's like for injection or I know you have that I mean cream but like also you're talking about and biblical stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the ideal environment for somebody or does it depend on what you're dealing with and how they would probably see the same cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very much going to depend on what we're trying to deal with, but the cells, the beautiful thing about these cells is that they are really smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes all I have to do, it just put in the body somewhere, and then they work out to work, and that's what it's so safe, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, it's very challenging to, challenging to really find that things about getting these stem cell treatment, especially if you don't,
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[SPEAKER_01]: practice unsafe medicine, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, a Florida clinic got shut down because they blinded three people and they were injecting cells into the eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are certain things that you don't do that you're not understanding how these cells are functioning what they can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're taking very highly invasive high-risk procedures and then yes there's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but for simple eye retreatment or simple joint injections is I'll be really hard pressed to see really bad things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you use cells that are very safe, which means stem cells that doesn't have the potential to cause tumor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you use embryonic stem cells, which are cells that's obtained, day five to seven,
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[SPEAKER_01]: after fertilization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those cells, those early, that's in the ball of, you know, that early embryo, within that early embryo, you can, that's very early, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it, get some cells from the center of this ball, and those can become
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[SPEAKER_01]: any tissue of any organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're very powerful, but so powerful that they can also go haywire and start to make uncontrollable tissues in different types of tissues causing territoryoma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one thing that people have heard of, that someone got embryonic stem cell treatment and maybe got injected somewhere and then they get a tumor in the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that
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[SPEAKER_01]: but not for local cordurife stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are nuances, what kind of cells are you using?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how are you putting in the body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all those are important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the safety of the cells you're choosing and the safety of your protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm trying to teach doctors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I found it in the Academy, American Academy of Integrative South therapy, where we talk about all these different cell sources, how you decide what to do, what to use,
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[SPEAKER_01]: depending on what we're trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the body has either some kind of systemic condition or has a local issue, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So autoimmune conditions is very systemic and local and the most typical is osteoarthritis, in joints, muscle tendon care, or
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[SPEAKER_01]: brain conditions, different organ issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're a person differently for more systemic issues and even for local problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An IV treatment is very, very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not just me saying it is because it's proven by a lot of research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So not only when you put the
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[SPEAKER_01]: it gets the flown back into your heart and that gets pumped everywhere into your entire body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the cells can find their way to where the injury and inflammation is and then can get there and do the work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also they talk with your immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just about traveling to a place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also about bringing your own repair system on board, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is about, you know, that's, this is why it's regenerative, this is smart medicine is waking up your own body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you put a cells in, they're very, very enjoying, does it cross the blood, Brad, any of what kind of cells there's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still, the cells are fairly large.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brain, blood-brain barrier, most of cells cannot across, but mesenchymal stem cells have been found to cross to a smaller extent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we do something in the clinic to open up the blood-brain barrier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we actually give Manitall pre-in fusion if a person wants to target the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's
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[SPEAKER_01]: either brain condition or even your apathy, we often are using manatal infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you give manatal, it actually shrinks the gap junction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it shrinks the cells, lining the gap junction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it opens up the gap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the cells can pass through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's about 40 minutes after you, you know, provide manatal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we use that window to get more cells into the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: can do joint injections, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can inject locally because the joint space in the joint, especially larger joints, like the knees, shoulders, and hips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not very much kind of exchange between the fluid within the joint capsule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's good to inject right into
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[SPEAKER_01]: The capsule, so that cells can start working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you're waiting for the signal to come through, and it's going to be a very slow process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes about a couple of months to equilibrate between what you put in the blood and what's in the joint capsule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you want to attack from both angles, but also for larger joints, the outer one-third of the cartilage is nourished by the blood supply.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the inner two-thirds is nourished by the Sonoleo fluid in the joint space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you want to target the full thickness of cartilage to trigger their growth, then you want to put cells in IV and put cells in the joint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you did mention then a bit about embryonic and umbilical stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably one of the reasons why a lot of people are a bit wary of stem cell therapies like it is like an ethical issue around that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know we've shontel and I've been to a lot of longevity events and sometimes this comes up at the events, you know, there's sometimes a really even in that crowd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think this crowd is more educated, but okay, okay, let's put this to rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, if you're talking about ethical concerns, that means where the cells came from, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the U.S., you cannot treat a person using embryonic stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not legal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you cannot treat the person using fetal cells, which means the fetus that have not been born, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a, the most famous place that does that is your crame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where's that now, but that's their claim to fame that they collect these
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[SPEAKER_01]: oftentimes is a board of the fetuses from what I hear from a scientist who have visited their facility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are from, you know, a lot of Russian women who abort their pregnancy and then some of them purposely do that because they get compensated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were sell, you know, basically the fetal tissue, the fetus, and then that's, you know, taken apart and, you know, blended, and that's why here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we use is unblockable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Besides using your own, we can always get from your own bone marrow, your own fat, or even menstrual blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're different places you can get stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the most common will be from the fat, bone marrow, or unblockable cords.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only, I don't think people have any ethical objection to using our own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only ethical objection is on the local court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people confuse and the local court with embryonic stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the sound of the similar but on the local court is attached to a live baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we only obtain these donations
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[SPEAKER_01]: when the baby is born and their life and healthy and the mother is you know is smooth everybody's well there's no emergency involved and actually this is all through planned see section because the lab I work with would not want to jeopardize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the quality of the cord mostly from the contamination standpoint, because the national canal has harbours lot of bacteria and all kinds of things in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to avoid contamination, then cesareans section is the preferred method.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mother is all, you know, ready to go, this is all planned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, anesthesia, you can open me up, right, and then you take the baby out, baby's happy, you clamp the cord, and you cut the cord off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The baby is completely fine with the mother, and the cord, and the placenta is put in a normal sailing bag and it's sent overnight shipped to a lab, most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where the cord comes from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, before we knew about the stem cells that these tissues very rich off, we were throwing them away, you know, routinely, right, it's, it's the biological waste basket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's where it comes from and the mothers go through very rigorous testing as far as their own past history, not just their health history, but their travel history, employment history, sexual history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the donating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a pure donation because the sale of human tissue is prohibited in this country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't be compensated in any way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people don't, there's no incentive of people to lie, just so that their tissue can be accepted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of the framework of how the tissues are obtained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way in which the um and biblical chord or the percent is preservatives, you know, like you said, I'd be curious to know, you know, because you hear a lot about what I've read with people that have heard that they like either because they know all things like that for the nutrient, but the in terms of preserving the stem cells and having them is that super important by the point which is injected, you like any other yeah, so you need to
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[SPEAKER_01]: preserve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you, of course, you can always use a fresh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know there are a few clinics that does it fresh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get this, the tissue, the quartissue, you separate it out and you don't freeze them and you give it to people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, there's severe limitation, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how, and you have to use it within a day, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe two, the most, I mean, you have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can use the cryopreservation method, which is an art of itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can freeze something, but doesn't mean when you unfreeze it, that they're still going to be alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the art.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they use cryopreservative to help prevent crystal formation in the freezing process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's by not only putting a substance in there to prevent the crystal formation, but also by lowering the temperature
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[SPEAKER_01]: very, very gradually, by one degree per minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you drastically freeze somebody, that's it, that that says hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you really, really slowly imperceptibly almost to the living cell, then they kind of just gradually slow down their metabolism to the point where, you know, think about the cells oscillating, you know, all the organ, organelles, and then they just get, you know, slow, slow, slow, slow to the point where it is still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your
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[SPEAKER_01]: Putting them in a freezing position, a state by really stopping all the biological activities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then by the time when you need to use them, if you can do rapid thawing, then is better for the cells, then quickly everything's back to normal temperature, and then they can be alive again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do it too slowly at a particular temperature, crystals can form, so they can still puncture this out wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I don't advise people to warm cells with their hand, you know, it's better to do it in water bath.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The conduction is much faster, and then the temperature is actually a little higher than your temperature on your hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so that's how they keep the cells alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what do you see?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because now you've been doing this for a while, I mean, you're an expert in this field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, what do you see that's kind of the most astonishing for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, have you got some case studies that you're most particularly proud of using this method?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's so many.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of my earliest, of course, as I tell you my first case, where how I got hooked, it was a somebody in the holistic health space and that's in the probiotics business who's traveling all over and go to old trade shows and a lot of walking in mall, he was 69 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had a lot of knee pain, osteoarthritis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, he saw two orthopedic surgeons who told him Absolutely you need bilateral knee replacement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No question is bone on bone, so just don't even bother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he came to me He said, I really don't want to do the surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's always risk and there's long recovery time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to do right
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[SPEAKER_01]: artificial, you know, things in my body yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's try stem cells because you do stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, my approach is to attack from both angles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I give him an IV infusion of stem cells and I give him joint injection when CC into each knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting was the next day, he said, you know, as I have you feeling that, yeah, I feel fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting is that I slept through the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have not slept through the night for the last like four decades because when he's car rolled over on, you know, when he was a teenager,
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[SPEAKER_01]: being in an accident, it tore his rotator cuff and it never fully healed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So every time when he shifted in his bed, in the middle of sleep, it will wake him up from the sharp pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that night, he slept through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he kept sleeping, sleeping through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the shoulder was pretty much that those fixed, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And never bothered him again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then his knees gradually got
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[SPEAKER_01]: Within I think within a month or two he was walking a lot and till this day he's walking Four miles almost every day and he said I barely feel I have knees like I don't I don't think about it The only time he noticed and there's something is that he said when he goes downhill There's a little bit twint
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had only given him two IV, I mean, two treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think space about a year apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one, he did great in the second one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, let's top it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do a maintenance thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was eight years later, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This man never needed a knee replacement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting about the shoulder is that I didn't know anything about his rotator cuff injury So he didn't tell me I wasn't thinking about healing that part That's why I'm I'm saying about the intelligence of the cells I can put the cells in the body the cells just know where to go because your body would tell the cells So that was my first case and not too long after There was a patient that had liver cirrhosis and basically
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the death is very close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in hospice care, wouldn't know how long he had to leave you in a hospice care, usually a month or two, you know, something like that, weeks to months of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His brother wanted to save him as a last ditch effort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we just stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even give him a high dose because at the time, my protocol is a low dose in the beginning, and then a higher dose two weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so I only gave him a very low dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was waiting for him to come back and he didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to call and didn't get an answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a couple months after that, I was on a radio show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the person that introduced me to this brother actually brought the brother on to that radio show that I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's your brother because I haven't been able to reach the brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he's doing amazing because on his way back to sacramental, after stem cell treatment because he had a sighty, so it's big swelling right in a lot of fluid collection in the abdomen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just the five hours of drive, the swelling was halfway down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was reduction in the swelling, and then within weeks he was walking around in the yard talking on the phone like he's a normal person, when he came to see me, I could barely hear him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so emaciated and so weak that I was hard to hear what he was saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then within a couple months, you know, yeah, within within a couple months, he went to his doctor, he, of course, he checks the liver function regularly, and it was normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's a reversal of his liver disease, and to me it was just so shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, he got liver sources from Hep C, from the, from intravenous drug use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that was, that was shocking,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do not anticipate, you know, I thought, okay, it's going to help a little bit and then we're going to keep repairing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just to see how sometimes how drastic the results can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that really gives me hope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started revising my protocol thinking that maybe I can give people less.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was spent less money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, there'll be better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why do I want to give them more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they pay more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did go in the other direction a little bit too much because I think maybe I ended up giving people the wrong impression that with one treatment, if it didn't work, that means themselves didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I realized because I you know, I cases where the first treatment, the person didn't notice anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But after the second there was drastic response and the third
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I realize I may have, you know, short-changed my patients by not, you know, advising them that sometimes it takes multiple sessions that healing takes time, but everybody have different timelines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't want to give people this, you know, this false impression that one treatment would just solve all the problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not performing miracles here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although that liver case to me was like a miracle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how do you write, he was written off, modern medicine and nothing to offer him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So other way to explain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why I'm going down within hours of the treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to help people with all kinds of the CLPD is another one that I love treating, long conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, modern medicine has almost nothing to offer, steroid, you know, just oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've gotten people off oxygen tanks and off, off almost own medications.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's really nothing in modern medicine that helps break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they can use some kind of mechanical methods, maybe shockwave and etc, but drugs?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but stem cells can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, mesenchymal stem cells, one of the properties is anti-fibrodic property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they can break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, for liver cirrhosis, for COPD, or for other kinds of fibrotic conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they all have, you know, these,
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[SPEAKER_01]: fibrosis and sclerosing of the different organs, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The liver, it can happen in the heart, so it can break down scar tissue as a result of heart attack, it can break down scar tissue in in in in in in testies, it can make, yeah, it's scar tissue, of course, musculoskeletal, um, so it's, um, it's pretty, it's pretty cool to know that the cells can
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we treat a lot of autism kit kits and we're getting really good results So we have a very special protocol, but that's another area that's very very difficult I know it very well because I've worked with so many SSI Kaiatris and it was very unpleasant to me It was a very unpleasant experience
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I didn't feel actually helped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're a doctor, you're there to help and you see suffering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then whatever you did, didn't really do that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, very, very discouraging experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't, I didn't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why am I doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still can't communicate with the kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kid is, you know, I'm sedating the child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not making the child more functional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the child is not gaining ability to communicate or to relate right emotional connection with people and you know or as far as you know in continents and in some of the behavioral therapies may be the help a little bit but it's very limited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very limited, very arduous, long process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But stem cells, I can have seen people improve rapidly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes even, you know, it doesn't the same day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's almost like the brain was inflamed and we calm the inflammation, all of a sudden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the ability and the function or the communication pathways are opened up and they can have quick changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes oftentimes it takes longer time, but still that's a very fast track of progress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was interesting when you're talking because obviously red therapies also doing that, not reducing that inflammation, which is I think one of the reasons for things like autism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a good, I was thinking it's just such a good combo because presumably, you know, the stem cells are going where they're needed and things like autism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a strong gut component there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, you know, you probably do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you, you'll, the gut, stop inflammation because you're stopping all the right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or metabolites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to highlight ourselves actually is a good combo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually did a lecture on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Light in different frequencies, different wavelengths, can really help target different tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're giving people stem cell infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only we actually put the cells under light, different colors, so we have this cool machine that has light well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we put the cells in the base in light for a couple minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to activate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we put an IB back and give it to people or inject into different tissues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we activate them with light already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then while we're giving people stem cells, we have the light going, focusing on different organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because what happens is not only the light can make the cells more mobile and more proliferative, so they're actually gaining a
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[SPEAKER_01]: more potential to make off-springs, but they are, they're metabolically more active, so more viable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have healthier existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only that, if we shine the light on particular organs, that activates certain adhesion molecules, so there's more interaction
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[SPEAKER_01]: more ability for that organ to trap the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden, he's like, oh, you're stuck here, you know, stay here, and work in this organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what we want, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want the cells to be in the organ that we want the cells to repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like the invasive methods when you have to inject into an organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That could be, there's problems with it, but you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can with skilled hands, you can put the cells right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I'm, you know, I'm not going to inject somebody's kidneys or someone's bladder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I don't, you know, they're still a risk to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can do it very elegantly by focusing the light on particular words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, could you give us a little, an exact, I know you say it's case by case it's different, but just an example of a protocol is someone came into the comic and how depending on what they're dealing with, obviously if it's super refined, you would watch you kind of couple with the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, first of all, thyroid valuation is really important, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We understand what the person's constitution, the only people really I see people getting side effects are people who have hypersensitivity, like histamine type reactions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they are the people that may break out with the rash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just have hypersensitivity to almost to a lot of things, chemicals, food, medications.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're careful with them, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they come in usually, we can run labs, get a baseline lab, and we give them a whole set of supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That increase our blood flow, increase our building blocks, the availability of building blocks, which are amino acids, to build more structures and proteins to repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We give them full-vig acid, which really contains a lot of trace minerals, so we can replenish the body
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[SPEAKER_01]: minerals that perform all kinds of biological functions, so we want to address all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we want to prime the soil, right, give them everything that's needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also give them something called STEM region that, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: will release more cells from their bone marrow because what I give the patients a lot of them will end up in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want the cells to get out of the bone marrow and circulate and work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we give them a set of supplements and then we also use peptides with our treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if we're targeting immune system, we have peptides to enhance immune health for targeting the brain, then we have brain peptides, if we're targeting metabolism, you know, sugar metabolism, etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have those peptides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it really depends on what each person needs, then we tailor make and we target the organs more specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we use light to focus more on that organ, so that light we can actually program to different frequencies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wavelength is set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's red, green, and violet colors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then we can program different frequencies, and those frequencies will talk with different types of cells in the body depending on what organs you're trying to talk to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, we also give them a different thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a light bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So light is an important component.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually get how people go into this light bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That has not only light frequencies, but also quantum frequencies to help with the healing of the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to help them detox, help them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: elevate the rejuvenation capabilities, activate the mitochondria, and then yeah, so that's that's pretty much the protocol that we were putting everything together to prime the soil and then and then of course depending on what the person needs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want hair restoration, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do a hair procedure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want facial rejuvenation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do the face or sexual rejuvenation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can inject things into the gyna and penis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we can we can put the cells in different places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is frontier medicine, you know, we, it does feel like it's still frontier medicine and there's so few experts in the field, but it is so gratifying to hear about doing things in a more holistic way, you know, and trying to move away from the drug models.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not that, I knew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, you know, it's needed in some cases, but the problems that we're dealing with in our modern society aren't really those cases, you know, acute cases potentially, you know, we do need to have the drugs, but most of the time we need to find different solutions, especially in this kind of field where in which is longevity, you need to have some that's going to increase your
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[SPEAKER_02]: longevity in your health span, otherwise you're kind of, you know, if you're treating the drugs, you're kind of limiting that the amount of years you have healthy because there's always a price right, your liver's got a detox it, you know, there's always a price to be right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah, when you tinker with nature, you know, just see aware of the consequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, so I did, and I think to me, the reason I think incorporates so many things into our protocol, is I think when something touches my brain, it's like, you know, when's the knowledge is inside of me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, like, just, on a conscious level, like, my own conscience will not allow me not to utilize it, not to give it to patients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, now I know I can't unknow this and I know how powerful and how important it is and if I don't give it to patients, then I'm not doing justice for their health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I just keep adding on these different
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's also rare to have, I mean, like Sarah said, it ranks all this always people are focusing on one area, one specialty, so it makes one hesitant to know how you would couple them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a lot of experimenting or a lot of research, so it's amazing that you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you take each case by case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have all these things kind of incorporated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've actually answered first of my, like, fire wrong questions, but it's just, just everything you saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was saying I wanted to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe I'll tell you another fun case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they're quite a few.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about breaking down scar tissue in in the in testicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I had a patient because we have all kinds of people who are desperate for solutions and they find their way to us because stem cells are their last resort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tried everything with their doctor and they trusted doctor, they did everything and they took all the drugs and they even this guy who came to me had one of his testicles cut off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because he was getting swelling and inflammation and then infection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was instantly, you know, right, the testicle got huge and it was infected and pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So his urologers said, well, let's forget it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've tried everything that's cut that a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: cut that off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he lost one testicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then with him a couple years, the other testicle is doing the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's facing the possibility of losing that one as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then he contacted us and said, Dr. Kong, can this help me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My testicles have been swelling as the infected can this help?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look to the literature, there's no report on this particular case, so a lot of times people come to me with more obscure cases, so it's not the most common, so then no one is spending the money and energy to study it, right, if he's not as common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then now you rely your knowledge as a doctor, your understanding of the pathophysiology of what this happened, but a lot of times we don't even know how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, a lot of times we do know that there's inflammation involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there's a lack of immune support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So immune system may not be able to fight it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The inflammation is not fought off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The infection is not fought off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's inflammation, immune dysregulation, or immune lacking involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's tissue damage involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's fibrosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's maybe issue with blood flow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So any of these factors, the stem cells, the reason mesenchymal stem cells are so powerful is one, it's incredibly anti-inflammatory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can call me inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your system can shift from this inflame state to the state of repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it reduces inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your body can shift into repair gear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, modulate your immune system, so your immune system shifts from and more inflammatory state for more anti-inflammatory state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one reason for autoimmune diseases is so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it breaks down a cigar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it promotes vascular formation, so it generates more blood vessels delivering more blood flow and so more oxygen and more nutrients and remove toxic waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's directly antimicrobial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It actually can see create antimicrobial peptides to fight off microbes for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's anti-cancer, so it can detect cancer, and can send this ligand to a trail ligand directly tell the cells to pop off, you know, basically kill yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a powerful ligand, that's how it can kill cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it can also protect cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the cells sometimes don't have to die, like in stroke, in circumstance or crush injury, the area that got caught off of blood supply, they die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the neighboring cells don't have to die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to the way nature is set up, that when the cells start to die,
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[SPEAKER_01]: chemical signals and there's a triggers, you calcium cascade, eventually needing to sell death to all the neighboring cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you've got a big like the brain infarct size, comparing to where the blood supply was cut off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So but stem cells can come in and salvage it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they can actually prevent that process from happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So stopping it midstream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are all these properties of the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why when I talk with patient, this patient with a testicular swelling and infection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we know infection is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's inflammation, there's some, the lacking in mu support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a fibrosis because he had nodules, tethical and nodules going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fibrosis going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do IV stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not touching your testicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm like UID and I think it can help because cells will go away and used to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We won't be hold within two months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the nodules went away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The testicles went back to some normal size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would ecstatic his testicle was saved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not how it's very interesting story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story, yeah, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I was aware quite exactly how it worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the inflammatory piece was maybe a neat thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lighting cells actually is a good combo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Light in different frequencies can really help target different tissues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we're giving people stem cell infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only we actually put the cells under light for a couple minutes to activate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only that, if we shine the light on particular organs, that activates certain adhesion molecules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's more interaction, more ability for that organ to trap the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dr. Joy Kong podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I have a chance to share with you some of the latest developments in the space of holistic health, longevity, and wellness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always honored intellectual curiosity and scientific rigor, combined with real world practicality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My goal is that what you learn here will help you live longer and live better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm sure it's not just doctors who are kind of in the bubble about stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure most people here stem cells and kind of think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sci-fi because well that's where we're at with the general population is because it all of the stuff from medicine just filter down into the general population so it seems like something you know if you talk about stem cells it seems like something a little bit scary maybe it seems like something that only elite people can do it seems like something a bit futuristic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe you can just kind of update us on where stem cells, you know, where stem cell therapy actually is rather than, you know, sexually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so people did not have the concept of stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just human bodies, okay, so just living on and we didn't know how it kept going, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: In late 50s, early 60s, when they started doing bone marrow transplant, they just thought, if we transplant bone marrow from one person to another, it seems to help different conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so if the blood is bad, then if we just transplant, you know, put the bone marrow from one person to another, then we can help this new person recover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't know that there were stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that came about later than we realized, oh, so there were these specialized cells that are very primitive that they have different potentials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So themselves really don't have a lot of functions because they're not a working cell, but they have the ability to start dividing and produce offspring that are working cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they make another copy of themselves to preserve his own population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these cells can replenish their own supply and at the same time, they give you replenishment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can regenerate your tissue or whatever organ or blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they thought we only had stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is how you're all starting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, so those cells are in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize, oh, I guess stem cells are everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every organ has organ specific stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how your organs can continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Liver has liver stem cells, heart muscles, heart muscle stem cells, cartilage of cartilage stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they all have this and every organ has this and stage stem cell, which itself still doesn't do work, but it has ability to replenish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, ever since you were a fertilized egg, you were once a single cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just think of the miracle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from that single cell, it can start dividing and migrating and make these interesting structures and eventually form organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everywhere along the way, just think before it forms the end organ, all those variations of cells are stem cells until it reaches a working cell status.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how we can have all these organs in walking around and functional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, right now, not only in each organ, we have these stem cells, but we have something a little bit more general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like generalist stem cells, which are these mesenchymos stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, everywhere in your body, along your blood vessels, anywhere you have blood vessels, you will have these mesenchymos stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they perform a very specific function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a hot-o-around blood vessels and they have the ability to sense what goes through the blood and they also sense what's going on in the neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like the conductor of the symphony of regeneration for your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they sense something that's passing through your blood, that's really a rescue signal, something that's going on in a particular area that that has that's in trouble like you miss a cut yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then these can freeze themselves into
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[SPEAKER_01]: to find the signal, I always think of a salmon, you know, swimming upstream, to find where they need to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once they get there, they squeeze themselves out of the blood vessel and now they start working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they can send signals into the blood to bring immune system over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they can give signals to local stem cells and make them start regenerate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can recruit and send signals to all the immune cells so they can break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can...
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[SPEAKER_01]: remove debt cells and unnecessary components that's in that neighborhood and now that area is cleaned up and ready for new tissue to form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they they really are the crucial step for regeneration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we have all these stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it has become very famous because it's very easy to grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can multiply them in incubator and then you can give it to people and and they are immune
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[SPEAKER_01]: privileged, which means if I put the cells into, let's say, into Johnny from Jenny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Jenny's genetic material is not going to manifest in the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mesenchymal stem cells and my cease for short, that goes into Johnny is not going to trigger an immune response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not only it doesn't trigger calms the immune system, so much so that you can use these mesenchymal stem cells to give to people who are getting organ transplants that actually reduces their chance of rejection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it has a calming effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these cells, there are a lot of functions of these cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one reason they're so popular because they're so easy to use and they don't cause problems with during transplantation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if the cells are younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the harder it is, because when you, the cells are older, there's less immune, modulating properties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, they also are less adaptable to the new body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also have less ability to recognize cancer cells, because these cells actually have anti-cancer properties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can, they can detect cancer and fight them off and kill them off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the older the cells are, and research have shown that with your direct comparison side by side comparison of Fadrifestem cells, which are MSCs, these MSCs versus on the local core derived MSCs, the Fadrifed MSCs, which is from adult person, will make the cancer grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the um, local core derived MSEs will make the cancer shrink and go away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're very different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just because we're talking about, all of these are mesenchymos then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't mean that you can use them universally from anybody anywhere and they'll perform the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a lot of nuances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it would be interesting to hear more about that if you can share also about the when which it needs to be, you know, like you could take it in whether it's like for injection or I know you have that I mean cream but like also you're talking about and biblical stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the ideal environment for somebody or does it depend on what you're dealing with and how they would probably see the same cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very much going to depend on what we're trying to deal with, but the cells, the beautiful thing about these cells is that they are really smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes all I have to do, it just put in the body somewhere, and then they work out to work, and that's what it's so safe, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, it's very challenging to, challenging to really find that things about getting these stem cell treatment, especially if you don't,
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[SPEAKER_01]: practice unsafe medicine, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, a Florida clinic got shut down because they blinded three people and they were injecting cells into the eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are certain things that you don't do that you're not understanding how these cells are functioning what they can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're taking very highly invasive high-risk procedures and then yes there's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but for simple eye retreatment or simple joint injections is I'll be really hard pressed to see really bad things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you use cells that are very safe, which means stem cells that doesn't have the potential to cause tumor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you use embryonic stem cells, which are cells that's obtained, day five to seven,
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[SPEAKER_01]: after fertilization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those cells, those early, that's in the ball of, you know, that early embryo, within that early embryo, you can, that's very early, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it, get some cells from the center of this ball, and those can become
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[SPEAKER_01]: any tissue of any organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're very powerful, but so powerful that they can also go haywire and start to make uncontrollable tissues in different types of tissues causing territoryoma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one thing that people have heard of, that someone got embryonic stem cell treatment and maybe got injected somewhere and then they get a tumor in the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that
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[SPEAKER_01]: but not for local cordurife stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are nuances, what kind of cells are you using?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how are you putting in the body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all those are important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the safety of the cells you're choosing and the safety of your protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm trying to teach doctors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I found it in the Academy, American Academy of Integrative South therapy, where we talk about all these different cell sources, how you decide what to do, what to use,
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[SPEAKER_01]: depending on what we're trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the body has either some kind of systemic condition or has a local issue, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So autoimmune conditions is very systemic and local and the most typical is osteoarthritis, in joints, muscle tendon care, or
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[SPEAKER_01]: brain conditions, different organ issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're a person differently for more systemic issues and even for local problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An IV treatment is very, very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not just me saying it is because it's proven by a lot of research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So not only when you put the
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[SPEAKER_01]: it gets the flown back into your heart and that gets pumped everywhere into your entire body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the cells can find their way to where the injury and inflammation is and then can get there and do the work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also they talk with your immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just about traveling to a place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also about bringing your own repair system on board, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is about, you know, that's, this is why it's regenerative, this is smart medicine is waking up your own body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you put a cells in, they're very, very enjoying, does it cross the blood, Brad, any of what kind of cells there's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still, the cells are fairly large.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brain, blood-brain barrier, most of cells cannot across, but mesenchymal stem cells have been found to cross to a smaller extent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we do something in the clinic to open up the blood-brain barrier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we actually give Manitall pre-in fusion if a person wants to target the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's
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[SPEAKER_01]: either brain condition or even your apathy, we often are using manatal infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you give manatal, it actually shrinks the gap junction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it shrinks the cells, lining the gap junction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it opens up the gap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the cells can pass through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's about 40 minutes after you, you know, provide manatal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we use that window to get more cells into the brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: can do joint injections, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can inject locally because the joint space in the joint, especially larger joints, like the knees, shoulders, and hips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not very much kind of exchange between the fluid within the joint capsule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's good to inject right into
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[SPEAKER_01]: The capsule, so that cells can start working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you're waiting for the signal to come through, and it's going to be a very slow process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes about a couple of months to equilibrate between what you put in the blood and what's in the joint capsule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you want to attack from both angles, but also for larger joints, the outer one-third of the cartilage is nourished by the blood supply.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the inner two-thirds is nourished by the Sonoleo fluid in the joint space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you want to target the full thickness of cartilage to trigger their growth, then you want to put cells in IV and put cells in the joint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you did mention then a bit about embryonic and umbilical stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably one of the reasons why a lot of people are a bit wary of stem cell therapies like it is like an ethical issue around that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know we've shontel and I've been to a lot of longevity events and sometimes this comes up at the events, you know, there's sometimes a really even in that crowd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think this crowd is more educated, but okay, okay, let's put this to rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, if you're talking about ethical concerns, that means where the cells came from, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the U.S., you cannot treat a person using embryonic stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not legal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you cannot treat the person using fetal cells, which means the fetus that have not been born, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a, the most famous place that does that is your crame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where's that now, but that's their claim to fame that they collect these
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[SPEAKER_01]: oftentimes is a board of the fetuses from what I hear from a scientist who have visited their facility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are from, you know, a lot of Russian women who abort their pregnancy and then some of them purposely do that because they get compensated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were sell, you know, basically the fetal tissue, the fetus, and then that's, you know, taken apart and, you know, blended, and that's why here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we use is unblockable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Besides using your own, we can always get from your own bone marrow, your own fat, or even menstrual blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're different places you can get stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the most common will be from the fat, bone marrow, or unblockable cords.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only, I don't think people have any ethical objection to using our own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only ethical objection is on the local court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people confuse and the local court with embryonic stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the sound of the similar but on the local court is attached to a live baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we only obtain these donations
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[SPEAKER_01]: when the baby is born and their life and healthy and the mother is you know is smooth everybody's well there's no emergency involved and actually this is all through planned see section because the lab I work with would not want to jeopardize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the quality of the cord mostly from the contamination standpoint, because the national canal has harbours lot of bacteria and all kinds of things in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to avoid contamination, then cesareans section is the preferred method.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mother is all, you know, ready to go, this is all planned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, anesthesia, you can open me up, right, and then you take the baby out, baby's happy, you clamp the cord, and you cut the cord off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The baby is completely fine with the mother, and the cord, and the placenta is put in a normal sailing bag and it's sent overnight shipped to a lab, most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where the cord comes from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, before we knew about the stem cells that these tissues very rich off, we were throwing them away, you know, routinely, right, it's, it's the biological waste basket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's where it comes from and the mothers go through very rigorous testing as far as their own past history, not just their health history, but their travel history, employment history, sexual history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the donating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a pure donation because the sale of human tissue is prohibited in this country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't be compensated in any way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people don't, there's no incentive of people to lie, just so that their tissue can be accepted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of the framework of how the tissues are obtained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way in which the um and biblical chord or the percent is preservatives, you know, like you said, I'd be curious to know, you know, because you hear a lot about what I've read with people that have heard that they like either because they know all things like that for the nutrient, but the in terms of preserving the stem cells and having them is that super important by the point which is injected, you like any other yeah, so you need to
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[SPEAKER_01]: preserve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you, of course, you can always use a fresh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know there are a few clinics that does it fresh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get this, the tissue, the quartissue, you separate it out and you don't freeze them and you give it to people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, there's severe limitation, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how, and you have to use it within a day, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe two, the most, I mean, you have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can use the cryopreservation method, which is an art of itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can freeze something, but doesn't mean when you unfreeze it, that they're still going to be alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the art.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they use cryopreservative to help prevent crystal formation in the freezing process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's by not only putting a substance in there to prevent the crystal formation, but also by lowering the temperature
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[SPEAKER_01]: very, very gradually, by one degree per minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you drastically freeze somebody, that's it, that that says hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you really, really slowly imperceptibly almost to the living cell, then they kind of just gradually slow down their metabolism to the point where, you know, think about the cells oscillating, you know, all the organ, organelles, and then they just get, you know, slow, slow, slow, slow to the point where it is still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your
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[SPEAKER_01]: Putting them in a freezing position, a state by really stopping all the biological activities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then by the time when you need to use them, if you can do rapid thawing, then is better for the cells, then quickly everything's back to normal temperature, and then they can be alive again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do it too slowly at a particular temperature, crystals can form, so they can still puncture this out wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I don't advise people to warm cells with their hand, you know, it's better to do it in water bath.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The conduction is much faster, and then the temperature is actually a little higher than your temperature on your hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so that's how they keep the cells alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what do you see?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because now you've been doing this for a while, I mean, you're an expert in this field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, what do you see that's kind of the most astonishing for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, have you got some case studies that you're most particularly proud of using this method?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's so many.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of my earliest, of course, as I tell you my first case, where how I got hooked, it was a somebody in the holistic health space and that's in the probiotics business who's traveling all over and go to old trade shows and a lot of walking in mall, he was 69 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had a lot of knee pain, osteoarthritis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, he saw two orthopedic surgeons who told him Absolutely you need bilateral knee replacement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No question is bone on bone, so just don't even bother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he came to me He said, I really don't want to do the surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's always risk and there's long recovery time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to do right
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[SPEAKER_01]: artificial, you know, things in my body yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's try stem cells because you do stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, my approach is to attack from both angles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I give him an IV infusion of stem cells and I give him joint injection when CC into each knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting was the next day, he said, you know, as I have you feeling that, yeah, I feel fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting is that I slept through the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have not slept through the night for the last like four decades because when he's car rolled over on, you know, when he was a teenager,
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[SPEAKER_01]: being in an accident, it tore his rotator cuff and it never fully healed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So every time when he shifted in his bed, in the middle of sleep, it will wake him up from the sharp pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that night, he slept through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he kept sleeping, sleeping through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the shoulder was pretty much that those fixed, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And never bothered him again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then his knees gradually got
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[SPEAKER_01]: Within I think within a month or two he was walking a lot and till this day he's walking Four miles almost every day and he said I barely feel I have knees like I don't I don't think about it The only time he noticed and there's something is that he said when he goes downhill There's a little bit twint
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had only given him two IV, I mean, two treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think space about a year apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one, he did great in the second one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, let's top it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do a maintenance thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was eight years later, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This man never needed a knee replacement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting about the shoulder is that I didn't know anything about his rotator cuff injury So he didn't tell me I wasn't thinking about healing that part That's why I'm I'm saying about the intelligence of the cells I can put the cells in the body the cells just know where to go because your body would tell the cells So that was my first case and not too long after There was a patient that had liver cirrhosis and basically
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the death is very close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in hospice care, wouldn't know how long he had to leave you in a hospice care, usually a month or two, you know, something like that, weeks to months of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His brother wanted to save him as a last ditch effort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we just stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even give him a high dose because at the time, my protocol is a low dose in the beginning, and then a higher dose two weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so I only gave him a very low dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was waiting for him to come back and he didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to call and didn't get an answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a couple months after that, I was on a radio show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the person that introduced me to this brother actually brought the brother on to that radio show that I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's your brother because I haven't been able to reach the brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he's doing amazing because on his way back to sacramental, after stem cell treatment because he had a sighty, so it's big swelling right in a lot of fluid collection in the abdomen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just the five hours of drive, the swelling was halfway down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was reduction in the swelling, and then within weeks he was walking around in the yard talking on the phone like he's a normal person, when he came to see me, I could barely hear him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so emaciated and so weak that I was hard to hear what he was saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then within a couple months, you know, yeah, within within a couple months, he went to his doctor, he, of course, he checks the liver function regularly, and it was normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's a reversal of his liver disease, and to me it was just so shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, he got liver sources from Hep C, from the, from intravenous drug use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that was, that was shocking,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do not anticipate, you know, I thought, okay, it's going to help a little bit and then we're going to keep repairing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just to see how sometimes how drastic the results can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that really gives me hope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started revising my protocol thinking that maybe I can give people less.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was spent less money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, there'll be better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why do I want to give them more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they pay more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did go in the other direction a little bit too much because I think maybe I ended up giving people the wrong impression that with one treatment, if it didn't work, that means themselves didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I realized because I you know, I cases where the first treatment, the person didn't notice anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But after the second there was drastic response and the third
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I realize I may have, you know, short-changed my patients by not, you know, advising them that sometimes it takes multiple sessions that healing takes time, but everybody have different timelines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't want to give people this, you know, this false impression that one treatment would just solve all the problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not performing miracles here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although that liver case to me was like a miracle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how do you write, he was written off, modern medicine and nothing to offer him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So other way to explain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why I'm going down within hours of the treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to help people with all kinds of the CLPD is another one that I love treating, long conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, modern medicine has almost nothing to offer, steroid, you know, just oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've gotten people off oxygen tanks and off, off almost own medications.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's really nothing in modern medicine that helps break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they can use some kind of mechanical methods, maybe shockwave and etc, but drugs?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but stem cells can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, mesenchymal stem cells, one of the properties is anti-fibrodic property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they can break down scar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, for liver cirrhosis, for COPD, or for other kinds of fibrotic conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they all have, you know, these,
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[SPEAKER_01]: fibrosis and sclerosing of the different organs, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The liver, it can happen in the heart, so it can break down scar tissue as a result of heart attack, it can break down scar tissue in in in in in in testies, it can make, yeah, it's scar tissue, of course, musculoskeletal, um, so it's, um, it's pretty, it's pretty cool to know that the cells can
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we treat a lot of autism kit kits and we're getting really good results So we have a very special protocol, but that's another area that's very very difficult I know it very well because I've worked with so many SSI Kaiatris and it was very unpleasant to me It was a very unpleasant experience
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I didn't feel actually helped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're a doctor, you're there to help and you see suffering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then whatever you did, didn't really do that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, very, very discouraging experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't, I didn't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why am I doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still can't communicate with the kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kid is, you know, I'm sedating the child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not making the child more functional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the child is not gaining ability to communicate or to relate right emotional connection with people and you know or as far as you know in continents and in some of the behavioral therapies may be the help a little bit but it's very limited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very limited, very arduous, long process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But stem cells, I can have seen people improve rapidly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes even, you know, it doesn't the same day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's almost like the brain was inflamed and we calm the inflammation, all of a sudden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the ability and the function or the communication pathways are opened up and they can have quick changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes oftentimes it takes longer time, but still that's a very fast track of progress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was interesting when you're talking because obviously red therapies also doing that, not reducing that inflammation, which is I think one of the reasons for things like autism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a good, I was thinking it's just such a good combo because presumably, you know, the stem cells are going where they're needed and things like autism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a strong gut component there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, you know, you probably do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you, you'll, the gut, stop inflammation because you're stopping all the right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or metabolites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to highlight ourselves actually is a good combo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually did a lecture on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Light in different frequencies, different wavelengths, can really help target different tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're giving people stem cell infusion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only we actually put the cells under light, different colors, so we have this cool machine that has light well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we put the cells in the base in light for a couple minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to activate them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we put an IB back and give it to people or inject into different tissues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we activate them with light already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then while we're giving people stem cells, we have the light going, focusing on different organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because what happens is not only the light can make the cells more mobile and more proliferative, so they're actually gaining a
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[SPEAKER_01]: more potential to make off-springs, but they are, they're metabolically more active, so more viable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have healthier existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only that, if we shine the light on particular organs, that activates certain adhesion molecules, so there's more interaction
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[SPEAKER_01]: more ability for that organ to trap the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden, he's like, oh, you're stuck here, you know, stay here, and work in this organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what we want, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want the cells to be in the organ that we want the cells to repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like the invasive methods when you have to inject into an organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That could be, there's problems with it, but you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can with skilled hands, you can put the cells right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I'm, you know, I'm not going to inject somebody's kidneys or someone's bladder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I don't, you know, they're still a risk to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can do it very elegantly by focusing the light on particular words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, could you give us a little, an exact, I know you say it's case by case it's different, but just an example of a protocol is someone came into the comic and how depending on what they're dealing with, obviously if it's super refined, you would watch you kind of couple with the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, first of all, thyroid valuation is really important, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We understand what the person's constitution, the only people really I see people getting side effects are people who have hypersensitivity, like histamine type reactions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they are the people that may break out with the rash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just have hypersensitivity to almost to a lot of things, chemicals, food, medications.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're careful with them, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they come in usually, we can run labs, get a baseline lab, and we give them a whole set of supplements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That increase our blood flow, increase our building blocks, the availability of building blocks, which are amino acids, to build more structures and proteins to repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We give them full-vig acid, which really contains a lot of trace minerals, so we can replenish the body
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[SPEAKER_01]: minerals that perform all kinds of biological functions, so we want to address all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we want to prime the soil, right, give them everything that's needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also give them something called STEM region that, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: will release more cells from their bone marrow because what I give the patients a lot of them will end up in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want the cells to get out of the bone marrow and circulate and work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we give them a set of supplements and then we also use peptides with our treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if we're targeting immune system, we have peptides to enhance immune health for targeting the brain, then we have brain peptides, if we're targeting metabolism, you know, sugar metabolism, etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have those peptides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it really depends on what each person needs, then we tailor make and we target the organs more specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we use light to focus more on that organ, so that light we can actually program to different frequencies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wavelength is set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's red, green, and violet colors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then we can program different frequencies, and those frequencies will talk with different types of cells in the body depending on what organs you're trying to talk to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, we also give them a different thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a light bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So light is an important component.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually get how people go into this light bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That has not only light frequencies, but also quantum frequencies to help with the healing of the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to help them detox, help them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: elevate the rejuvenation capabilities, activate the mitochondria, and then yeah, so that's that's pretty much the protocol that we were putting everything together to prime the soil and then and then of course depending on what the person needs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want hair restoration, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do a hair procedure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want facial rejuvenation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do the face or sexual rejuvenation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can inject things into the gyna and penis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we can we can put the cells in different places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is frontier medicine, you know, we, it does feel like it's still frontier medicine and there's so few experts in the field, but it is so gratifying to hear about doing things in a more holistic way, you know, and trying to move away from the drug models.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not that, I knew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, you know, it's needed in some cases, but the problems that we're dealing with in our modern society aren't really those cases, you know, acute cases potentially, you know, we do need to have the drugs, but most of the time we need to find different solutions, especially in this kind of field where in which is longevity, you need to have some that's going to increase your
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[SPEAKER_02]: longevity in your health span, otherwise you're kind of, you know, if you're treating the drugs, you're kind of limiting that the amount of years you have healthy because there's always a price right, your liver's got a detox it, you know, there's always a price to be right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah, when you tinker with nature, you know, just see aware of the consequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, so I did, and I think to me, the reason I think incorporates so many things into our protocol, is I think when something touches my brain, it's like, you know, when's the knowledge is inside of me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, like, just, on a conscious level, like, my own conscience will not allow me not to utilize it, not to give it to patients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, now I know I can't unknow this and I know how powerful and how important it is and if I don't give it to patients, then I'm not doing justice for their health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I just keep adding on these different
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's also rare to have, I mean, like Sarah said, it ranks all this always people are focusing on one area, one specialty, so it makes one hesitant to know how you would couple them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a lot of experimenting or a lot of research, so it's amazing that you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you take each case by case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have all these things kind of incorporated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've actually answered first of my, like, fire wrong questions, but it's just, just everything you saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was saying I wanted to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe I'll tell you another fun case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they're quite a few.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about breaking down scar tissue in in the in testicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I had a patient because we have all kinds of people who are desperate for solutions and they find their way to us because stem cells are their last resort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tried everything with their doctor and they trusted doctor, they did everything and they took all the drugs and they even this guy who came to me had one of his testicles cut off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because he was getting swelling and inflammation and then infection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was instantly, you know, right, the testicle got huge and it was infected and pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So his urologers said, well, let's forget it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've tried everything that's cut that a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: cut that off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he lost one testicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then with him a couple years, the other testicle is doing the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's facing the possibility of losing that one as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then he contacted us and said, Dr. Kong, can this help me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My testicles have been swelling as the infected can this help?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look to the literature, there's no report on this particular case, so a lot of times people come to me with more obscure cases, so it's not the most common, so then no one is spending the money and energy to study it, right, if he's not as common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then now you rely your knowledge as a doctor, your understanding of the pathophysiology of what this happened, but a lot of times we don't even know how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, a lot of times we do know that there's inflammation involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there's a lack of immune support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So immune system may not be able to fight it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The inflammation is not fought off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The infection is not fought off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's inflammation, immune dysregulation, or immune lacking involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's tissue damage involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's fibrosis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's maybe issue with blood flow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So any of these factors, the stem cells, the reason mesenchymal stem cells are so powerful is one, it's incredibly anti-inflammatory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can call me inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your system can shift from this inflame state to the state of repair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it reduces inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your body can shift into repair gear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, modulate your immune system, so your immune system shifts from and more inflammatory state for more anti-inflammatory state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one reason for autoimmune diseases is so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it breaks down a cigar tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it promotes vascular formation, so it generates more blood vessels delivering more blood flow and so more oxygen and more nutrients and remove toxic waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's directly antimicrobial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It actually can see create antimicrobial peptides to fight off microbes for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's anti-cancer, so it can detect cancer, and can send this ligand to a trail ligand directly tell the cells to pop off, you know, basically kill yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a powerful ligand, that's how it can kill cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it can also protect cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the cells sometimes don't have to die, like in stroke, in circumstance or crush injury, the area that got caught off of blood supply, they die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the neighboring cells don't have to die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to the way nature is set up, that when the cells start to die,
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[SPEAKER_01]: chemical signals and there's a triggers, you calcium cascade, eventually needing to sell death to all the neighboring cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you've got a big like the brain infarct size, comparing to where the blood supply was cut off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So but stem cells can come in and salvage it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they can actually prevent that process from happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So stopping it midstream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are all these properties of the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why when I talk with patient, this patient with a testicular swelling and infection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we know infection is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's inflammation, there's some, the lacking in mu support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a fibrosis because he had nodules, tethical and nodules going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fibrosis going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do IV stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not touching your testicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm like UID and I think it can help because cells will go away and used to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We won't be hold within two months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the nodules went away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The testicles went back to some normal size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would ecstatic his testicle was saved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not how it's very interesting story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story, yeah, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I was aware quite exactly how it worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the inflammatory piece was maybe a neat thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to this episode.
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