Jason Prall┃The Hidden Beliefs That Are Secretly Aging You

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This was the early days of the Internet. We had
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like Yahoo and WebCrawler, and there's no social media, right,
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So I was in chat rooms and I'm really just
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trying to figure out what was going on. I didn't
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have the wherewithal to really seek out more natural methods,
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you know, natural paths, and you know functional chiropractors and
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some of the things that did exist that weren't as
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prevalent as today.
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What is the key to a longer, healthier life has
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less to do with biohacking and more to do with
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your beliefs. Today, I sit down with health educator, filmmaker,
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and Human Longevity Project creator Jason Prawl to explore how
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our perceptions shape our health, why connection and meaning may
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matter more than supplements and technology, and how ancient wisdom
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traditions can help us rewire beliefs that keep us stuck
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in suffering and disease.
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For this session, I'm very happy to be here today
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with Jason Praul. Welcome, Jason, thanks for having me. Good
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to see a fleet. Well, We're thrilled to have you.
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I've been looking forward to this conversation. Your work is
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fascinating and I'm going to share your bio and then
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we'll jump right into the conversations.
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Sound good, perfect good. So.
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Jason Prawl is a health optimization practitioner, entrepreneur, filmmaker, and author.
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He is the creator of The Human Longevity Project, a
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nine part film series that explores the underlying causes of
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chronic disease in the modern world. With over two decades
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of experience, Jason has worked with individuals worldwide providing solutions
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to complex health issues through holistic and lifestyle based approaches.
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His current work focuses on uncovering ancient healing methods to
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promote optimal health and longevity. Jason holds a degree in
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mechanical engineering, which has informed his analytical and systematic approach
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to health and wellness. His personal journey overcoming twenty years
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of health challenges inspired him to transition from engineering to
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the field of health optimization, where he applies evidence based
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strategies to improve overall well being. He is the author
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of the best selling book Beyond Longevity, A Proven Plan
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for Healing Faster, feeling better, and thriving at any age.
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That's an inspiring title gist on itself.
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Right.
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Jason continues to advance his mission to upcoming film projects
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and educational programs sharing valuable insights into effective health practices.
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And we'll talk about your website later. At the end,
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we'll or people to where they can find you. So
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you know a little bit before we get started in
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your trial that I just read, it's alluded to your
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own personal health challenges. And so many people that we
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have on our summits, their work often has an origin
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story that they were dealing with some kind of challenges
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that went out to find their solutions, and then they
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become someone who's bringing those solutions to the world. So
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I suspect that's your case, and I wonder if you
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could just briefly tell us a little bit about that
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origin story of how you found your way from mechanical
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engineer airing into health and life optimization and longevity work.
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Yeah, it's funny. It's I guess, the classic human story, right,
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It's it's the hero's journey that we're all on. And
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so for me, it started at thirteen. I had chronic
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meet pain that began then and lasted for decades. I
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had skin issues in my early twenties, and these were
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the health chronic health challenges that the modern medical system
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really is not set up to diagnose properly as to
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what the real problem is and nor provide solutions. So
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that sent me on this journey to figure out what
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was really causing this, right, And this was the early
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days of the Internet. We had like Yahoo and WebCrawler,
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and there's no social media, right, so I was in
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chat rooms and really just trying to figure out what
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was going on. I didn't have the wherewithal to really
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seek out more natural methods, you know, natural paths and
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you know, functional chiropractors and some of the things that
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did exist but weren't as prevalent as today. And so
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through that you know, winding exploration of figuring out what
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was really the cause of these things I was suffering
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from led me to just a wider awareness around what
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health is, where it comes from, and how to initiate it.
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And so through that that journey, I realized that my
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true calling was in the health world, helping people to
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sort of free themselves of these burdens that they're being,
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that they're dealing with, that are really suffocating many parts
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of their lives. Right, So I've left engineering world wandered
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into this sort of health practitioner world. I'm not a doctor.
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I never trained in that world. But I trained in
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integrative health, functional medicine, you know, functional neurology. I had
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amazing mentors along the way, and then began working with
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people one on one, and that's really where I cut
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my teeth, right, so I could figure out my own
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health challenges to a degree. And then as I'm working
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with others with different health challenges, different lifestyles, different beliefs, right,
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I started to get an understanding of what was causing
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cancer and what was causing automne conditions and you know,
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chronic GI issues and all these things that people were
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coming to me for help with. And I was able
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to help a lot of people, and then there was
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this subset of people that I just couldn't get over
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the hump. I couldn't get them to the finish line.
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I'd get them most of the way there, and I
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got stuck. And that really prompted me to this. At
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some point there was recognition that there was beyond lifestyle,
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beyond the physical health side of the equation. There's what
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at that time I just loosely classified as trauma. Right,
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So these these trauma pieces, and then once I started
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digging into that I said, Okay, well I don't have
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the skill set to navigate this world or understand it
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or to help people. So I dove in myself and
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to explore my own traumas at that time. And so
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diving into that led me to the recognition that there's
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not only these capital T traumas that we might experience,
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you know, the abuse and the neglect and these events
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and these things that are happening, especially when we're children.
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We don't have the resource to be able to metabolize it,
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to process these things. So yes, we're carrying those into
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the into our adulthood, no question, every single one of
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us has these what we say, capital T traumas that
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we can identify or maybe even not identify. Some are
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worse than other's no question. But then there's other things too, right,
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there's conditioning, right, and that kind of gets into the
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subject matter we're talking about today, which is what are
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the things in our lifestyles that are creating the perception
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of our reality and the beliefs and the mindset and
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all the little things from schooling to parents, to you know,
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all of your peers, to work, to your dance recitals,
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whatever the case might be. There's all these little things
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that are informing our reality, and we're creating our internal
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working model, as a psychologist might say, the view of
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the world as it as it as we perceive it
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to be, but not necessarily how it is. And so
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once I started diving into that and really that for me,
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that was it was. It was plant medicines with indigenous
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healers from around the world. It was Araveda, It was
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kind of some of the Buddhist and bone cultures that
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I studied with. So I wanted to explore this from
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a very I want to cast a wide neck. In
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other words, what are the different viewpoints that all these
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ancient cultures and religions and these healers that are outside
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of the physical health world that I was in. What's
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their perspective? What are modern psychologists saying?
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Right?
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So, how can I understand this domain which I later
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and now have come to believe that it is really
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guiding everything else. Our beliefs, our mindset are conditioning, are
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really the crux of what's keeping us stuck and setting
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us free. So, yes, there are physical realities that we
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are dealing with unquestionable, and underneath that, our habits, our behaviors.
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But what's guiding our habits and behaviors. What's the way
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we think about the world right, And this can be
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consciously or unconscious or subconsciously as well.
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All the beliefs we have about ourselves and about the world,
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and a lot of those beliefs are about how together
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we're all trying to get our needs met right. We
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all want to feel stay secure and happy and so forth,
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So we have beliefs about how that happens. And some
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of those beliefs are less optimal than.
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Others and how they show up in our lives.
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So your Human Longevity Project, I mean, first of all,
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I mean I think people understand why we're excited to
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have you be part of the summit. This is all about
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rewiring our beliefs to optimize different areas of our life.
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And today we're focused on longevity and healthy aging, and
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so we're really in the sweet spot of this. With
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your work and with your Human Longevity Project, you initially
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did research among some of the longest living populations all
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around the world, and I suppose that probably touched into
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some of these blue zone areas and so forth. So
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what did you learn?
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Tell us what you learned about.
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People who, because of where living or their lifestyle conditions,
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that they're living longer than the rest of us.
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Yeah, I mean, there's there's so much there that we uncovered. Right.
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So when we were in Ekitia, Greece, and Sardinia, Italy,
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and Okinawa in the Guanacostae region of Costa Rica, this
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is where you tend to find a lot of people
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living a long time, and so in these regions, you know,
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investigating kind of some of their stories. I mean, first
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things first, we have to recognize that if I'm interviewing
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somebody that's one hundred years old today, that means they
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were born in nineteen twenty four or twenty three, right,
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So that means that they grew up most of their
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life in a completely different environment than we recognize today.
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So in nineteen fifty eight Ekitia, Greece, in small villages,
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they didn't have electricity, right, So I just want to
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sort of lay that there to help people realize it's
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more or less glorified camping, you know, like this is
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a totally different reality. And so because of some of
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the constraints that they were under, they really relied on
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a lot of other people, right, so there was a
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very a tight knit kind of group or community, and
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within that community, which is not in and of itself important.
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It's actually about what the community provides that is important.
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So what does a community provide to me? Is it
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connection and is it safety? If so, that that's a
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valuable community for me to be a part of. If
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it's community that I don't feel connected to and I
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don't feel safe in, then that's actually not doing anything
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good for me, right, So it's really about the environment
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that was set up. They struggled with other things, right,
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poor harvest, right because of weather or sometimes war, there
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was famine, there was restriction, so there was a lot
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going on in their physical health reality. But some of
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the biggest differences were in how they walked through the world, right,
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And so they were more in touch with nature. They
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were more in touch with the seasons, with the rhythms
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of the day, with the life cycle of a human,
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and so they held different beliefs, different perceptions about the
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day to day world. Then we hold, right, we are
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very autonomous here in the West. We are isolated in
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so many ways. We don't live with our nuclear families
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as much.
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And then in the extended family and the local community. Right,
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most of us in the West don't know our neighbors
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or we know them in passing, right. We don't have
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tight knit communities. So that was a big part of it.
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The things that we are having to naviate here in
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the West are very different than they had to navigate.
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They have struggles that we don't have to face. They
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also had. Let's say, well, let's just say we are
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now struggling with things they didn't have to face. When
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I walk into a grocery store, I got to figure
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out is this organic? Is it local food? You know,
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where did this come from? And then even when I'm
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in the most optimal grocery store, I got to say
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no to all this process stuff and yes to all
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the healthy stuff. And then beyond that, I got to
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figure out is this optimal for me? Right? Is an organic?
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Is organic arugula good for me? Versus some other feud?
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Right there, we're making different choices that are because of
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our abundance of choice. We have to navigate a different
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world that is that they never had to deal with.
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So there's a lot of things going on there, But
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a core difference I would say is is in their
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level of safety and connection at the nervous system level.
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So they inherently had a more embodied, more grounded, more
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connected sense in their bodies. Right, and if we talk
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about beliefs, I think I think it's first important to
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recognize where the word belief comes from. Right, the entomology
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of belief, you know, it comes from a few different languages,
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but Germanic is definitely in there, and essentially means I
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wish to be true or I desire something to be true.
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be true. So and so, underneath that whole framework of
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like there's there's two components, there is an objective reality
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two plus two equals four. Now I believe that to
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be true. Evidence points to that being true my entire life.
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that's an obvious one. But if we extend that out
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through the rest of mathematics or the rest of science,
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point where it's a little fuzzy and we hold certain
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beliefs the world is flat, you know, the earth revolves
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around the sun. We can point to these throughout history
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of beliefs that seem to be objectively true that were
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actually false. So people were holding incorrect beliefs based on
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empirical data that was misread.
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objective reality, right that is tied to belief. But then
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is the subjective reality.
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experience that we are drawing upon for beliefs about the
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present or perhaps that we're projecting into the future are
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subjective reality. So this is a huge part of what
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opposite is true. The feeling that we have in our body,
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the actual subjective experience that I'm experiencing, the emotions. If
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you're in touch with your body, you can feel certain
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things in your body. These things are coming from a
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perception that then inform my beliefs. Right, and this is
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primarily what happens when we're infants. Right, when we're infants,
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mom's just I'm hungry, but mom's on a phone call,
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so you know, I can wait.
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a threat level on some level, and so there's a
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perception in the body mind that is creating a reality
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of danger and threat. Now, once that gets soothed, then
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that's more information for the system. System be goes okay,
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this is the pattern. So this is always happening as
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what I'm pointing to is is primarily starts in the body.
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happening in the body. It's why you can see two
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teenagers to adults experience the same thing. And they respond
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very differently because there's a there's a different experience in
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the body mind and a different reality that they're drawing
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from that creates this perception of the present moment. And again,
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if I we humans don't we're not that good at
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living totally in the present. We're always living partially in
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the past and projecting into the into the future. So
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we're projecting our beliefs into the future. And this is
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where we got to kind of be careful. So that
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was kind of a long sort of way of saying
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that that the people that I interviewed, that I that
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I spoke with, that that I was around the small villages,
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there was an inherent sense of safety, relaxation, and connection,
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and that that created a pattern in the nervous system
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that was able to kind of rest there more often.
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wouldn't get so triggered, they wouldn't get so activated they
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would they would they would that was and they were
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able to come back into rest relaxation on the nervous
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system level.
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I've been leading a meditative practice for many many years
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that I originally adapted from my friend Rack Hanson's work.
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I call it safe, resources and Connected, and it so
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contemplative exercise actually invoked the experience of the felt sense
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of being safe, at least in this moment, I'm safe
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and taking in letting your nervous system feel safe and
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then letting yourself feel resourced, the fact that at least
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for now you are resource, which allows you to relax,
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and then bringing to mind your.
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Connectedness with others.
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And this is really at the heart of how we
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experience well being.
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And what you're pointing to there too is the conditioning, right,
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and you know this, but just to kind of to
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kind of expand upon it, you're reconditioning these pathways right
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on the nervous system level and on the mind level, right.
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the nervous system and the body is core to how
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our body expresses help.
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now the information age and so on, we're moving further
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and further away from those more natural, organic surroundings that
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have been proven to be healthy for human beings and
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other life forms, right, and we're leading more disembodied lives,
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more alienated more isolated, more disconnected lives, right, And so
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that's all going on, and at the same time, we're
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developing all these technologies and deeper and deeper science. Now
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the whole world of biohacking, we understand more about health
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and wellbeing than we've under understood before. So this is
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kind of which is sort of like which one is
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going to win out here, the forces that are driving
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us towards disease or the knowledge that could help us
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recover and possibly develop well being in longevity even sort
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of at higher capacities or something like that. So it's
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very very interesting time to be alive, to say the least.
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It is. It is, and this was part of the
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reason that I wanted to create the Human Longevity Project,
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because what I'm seeing, and let's say, let's say have
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a longevity world, is we're seeing this viewpoint that again,
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this is a belief that I can live to two hundred,
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that I can live to five hundred, that aging is
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a disease. Right, These are very interesting beliefs and views
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to hold considering the fact that we have no evidence
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that any of that is true, not a single shred
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of evidence from the human world or the animal world
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to think that we can extend life to such a degree. Now,
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very interesting beliefs that we're bringing in, and I think
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part of it is related to this sort of regenerative
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medicine movement that we're seeing. And I think we just
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need to be careful as we tiptoe going forward, because
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what I'm seeing is the Brian Johnson's of the world,
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right And if you're not familiar with him, this is
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a guy that literally is measuring. He is a billionaire.
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I think he's measuring every biomarker he's trying to. In
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other words, he's trying to biohack his body and his
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lifestyle to such a degree to create this unbelievable longevity.
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this happen, in terms of dollars and time and expertise
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and all this stuff. And while I think there's a
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value in what he's doing, it can inform us to
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some degree. Nobody in their right mind's ever going to
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live that way. I don't know other than a handful
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of people who might want to go to that path,
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but most of us don't want to live that way.
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And yet the other side, I have these people that
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I met around the world, like Julio in Sardinia that
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was one hundred and five riding a bicycle, and he
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didn't do any biohacking. He lived a completely different way.
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evidence to suggest And I know a one hundred and
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ten year old shaman you could say he's an iahwas scato,
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and he served ayahuasca until he died at one hundred
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and right. He literally drank ayahuasca numbers of times per
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week for sixty seventy years, right, So that's an interesting
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case study to look at it. So we have these
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with nature, with nature's template, is conducive to health. We
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don't have a ton of evidence to suggest that we
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biohack ourselves to death, that that's going to lead to
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this extraordinarily long life. And yet we have bio hacking techniques,
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we have regenitive medicine, we have stem cells, we have
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these things that I believe are actually going to serve
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a huge value, valuable purpose in our future. I want
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to take advantage of these things. I have taken advantage
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of some of these things. So I think for me,
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it's not a one or the other, you know, it's
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it's a both and. And so when we go into
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the regenitive medicine world the regenerative health worlds, it's finding
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things that are conducive to life affirming principles. So stem
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cells is a good example. If I take stem cells
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from a younger life form, right, and we can get
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these from umbilical cord. And there's other ways that we
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don't have to harm life in the process, but we
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know that that will be beneficial. In other words, we're
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using life to improve life.
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When we start to get into the tech world, we
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got to be very careful because you have to really
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know what you're doing. There's usually a hormetic effect, in
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other words, a dose of something that's good and then
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if you keep going. Red light's a perfect example of this.
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Too much red light therapy is actually harmful. We know
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this to be true, right, but just the right amount
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is actually good. Sunlight's another good example, and this is
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following nature's template. A certain amount of sunlight is actually
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very healthy for us to get on our skin and
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in our eyes. Not enough harmful, too much harmful, right,
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there are these principles, and so with with tech that's
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just magnified. We just have to be very precise with
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how we're using it. So I don't hold the belief
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that we can live forever or that aging is a disease.
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I'm not too certain that we can make it past
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one twenty very healthfully. I'm hopeful that's the case. I'm
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going to live as such. I'm going to live that way,
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but I'm not totally certain that we can get there.
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how we're bringing in this sort of new tech and
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not forgetting the true wisdom that is we are nature,
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We are from it, we will go back to it.
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There is no escaping it.
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So in other words, we can't pollute our environments with
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all the things that we're polluting it with and destroy
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our food sources and think we can bio hack away
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out of it. It's just not going to work, right,
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get our mindset right, get our conditioning and our beliefs,
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get that in tune with life affirming principles. And once
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we do that, we're simultaneously perhaps but not leaving that
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part out. We can incorporate some of these other things
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in the appropriate way.
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it's true with most things in life. You know, there's
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a sweet spot. Too little is not good. Too much
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it's not good. That age old wisdom of moderation, right.
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This is the middle path, as I.
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Said, the middle Path and Buddhism and the idea of moderation.
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It's been around for a long time. So I want
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to explore a couple of things with you here, this
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whole notion of longevity altogether. Now, we hear a lot
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of talk today also about health span as well as lifespan,
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and I think that's really what's most important. People would
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like to be healthy for most of their life. Who
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wants to be stuck with another ten years where you're
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you know, in a really debilitated condition and not able
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to have any quality of life and totally dependent.
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On others and so forth.
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us are concern about how can we enlarge on that
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and then you know, I know you did some study
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in the Buddhists and bond traditions and to bed and
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other different things. But so some people, when you hear
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about longevity, they might go, they might think, well, you know,
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that's that's the wrong goal. The goal should be spiritual
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liberation or enlightenment or something like that, and being attached
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to one body and attached to this life could be
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counterproductive to that, right, And you know, I actually think
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there's again, there's a middle way here, because if we're
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able to live longer and with good health, then we
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have longer to be on this project. And if one
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believes in the idea of multiple lifetimes and so forth,
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well if we have the conditions to continue our spiritual
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journey on this, you know, in this life, extending that
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00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.680
makes sense. And we don't know exactly what our next
484
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.319
opportunity is going to be. We hope good work here
485
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.720
leads to good future opportunity. That's kind of what the
486
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.400
philosophy say. But you know, it's you don't really know
487
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.000
what's going to happen, so extending your life and in fact,
488
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.200
in some Yogic traditions there's actually a kind of a
489
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.519
bower commitment to extend one's life or as long as
490
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.799
one can in order to actually attain enlightenment. And that's
491
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.720
usually within more of the Mahayana context of attaining enlightened
492
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:21.720
for the benefit.
493
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.440
Of all beings, in other words, to be able to enlighten.
494
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:28.079
Also, it's not just a selfish personal liberation things. So
495
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.759
you know this whole and you know, and then in
496
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.920
a more conventional sense, outside of these spiritual ideas, a
497
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:36.640
lot of people I wouldn't want to live that. Why
498
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.720
would I want to live that longer? You know, you know,
499
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.359
and then we have all the social conditions. You know,
500
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.680
if everybody starts living much longer, we're not set up
501
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.960
economically and socially and culturally to handle that. What are
502
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.279
we going to do with all these folks? Right, So
503
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.559
there's a lot of issues around longevity. It's attractive to people,
504
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.039
and I think there's part of that. There's the kind
505
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.279
of egoic longevity desire, you know, just me myself. I
506
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.440
want to hang on to me, my reality and extended
507
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.759
out there as long as I can. But I think
508
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.319
there can be some very reasonable reasons that I've alluded
509
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:12.000
to to to you know, want to live a longer
510
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.400
life and a healthier life and to be able to
511
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.440
enjoy things. I mean, another factor in there is to
512
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:18.519
show something else.
513
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.480
In the pot. You know.
514
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.119
We might want to you know, have a nice, long,
515
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:27.000
healthy life to enjoy our children's lives and our grandchildren's lives,
516
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.480
but do we want to outlive our children or our grandchildren,
517
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.400
you know, or our friends right where you know. So anyway,
518
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.440
there's a lot of things beliefs, there's a lot of
519
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.880
cultural beliefs and backgrounds and so into this whole notion
520
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.279
of longevity to begin with. And so I wonder if
521
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:44.839
you could talk about that a little bit and then
522
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.799
kind of also with the idea of health span, the
523
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.640
importance of not just longevity health span, but also in
524
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.039
terms of what we think of as health, because there's health.
525
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.200
Most of us think of health is I'm not sick
526
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:57.759
of to them, I don't have a cold, I don't
527
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.880
have the flu, I'm walking, I'm functioning, I'm okay, I
528
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.480
don't have any major complaints.
529
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.119
That's healthy.
530
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.079
But then there's what we might call vitality and really
531
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.200
health optimization and really having a lot of energy.
532
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:11.640
And so forth.
533
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.279
Right, and especially as we age, that becomes more important
534
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.720
or or anyway maybe it takes more work to create.
535
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.119
So I wonder if we could just talk a little
536
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.640
bit about what we're talking about here and why it's
537
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.319
important and why we might be interested in these things.
538
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.480
Yeah, I feel I could go for about now.
539
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.119
Right, sorry for the very long time.
540
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.720
It's great you put me into the right sphere. And
541
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.039
so what comes to mind, you know, as you say
542
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.319
those things, is, you know, when I talk to you
543
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.839
about longevity, or when I hear people talk about longevity,
544
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.720
you're right, I get. I basically get two answers. One is,
545
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.119
is this idea that you know, especially from that younger
546
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.119
like if we're sub seventy, let's say, you know, we're
547
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.599
still kind of in that before death part process. And
548
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.400
what I hear is, yes, I want to live a
549
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.559
long time. So I hear that, and then so it's
550
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.480
a glorification of longevity. And then on the other side,
551
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.720
I often hear, oh God, I don't want to I
552
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.480
don't want to live that long, right, because there's a
553
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.480
perception that of what it looks like to be eighty five,
554
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:16.240
ninety five, one hundred right, So to me, you're dead on,
555
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.079
which is that if we're glorifying longevity. I mean, first
556
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.839
of all, when I go around, when I met people
557
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.400
that were one hundred and one hundred and two hundred
558
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:30.440
and five, these weren't super vibrant, perfectly upright, amazing skin
559
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.039
one hundred year olds. They were old. They were old.
560
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.640
Julio rode a bike at one hundred and five and
561
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.440
he was very wobbly, he was very slow, he couldn't
562
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.480
get on it very well. So there's a natural degradation
563
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.440
to aging. Like this is a thing that I think
564
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.160
we need to accept. It's beneficial for us to accept
565
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.319
that that's a part of the path. In other words,
566
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.680
I will, in essence, I will never be as young
567
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.640
as I am today. Now I can do reverse damage
568
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.240
and I can get healthier, no question, but I will
569
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.400
never be as young as I am today. Important to
570
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.640
hold this view because it helps you appreciate what we
571
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:10.039
are now. Right now. I don't have backing right now,
572
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.480
I don't have foggy thinking and a lack of memory
573
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.519
right so it brings us into the present to appreciate
574
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.839
where I'm at now. On the other side, holding this
575
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.759
view that it's going to be miserable and full of suffering. Right,
576
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.200
we're going to create that reality for ourselves, and we're
577
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.599
going to act according to those beliefs. So I think
578
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.480
it's very harmful to hold that belief I think it's
579
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.359
also really important to meditate to contemplate death, right, And
580
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.960
if we can do this fairly often, then we develop
581
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.200
a relationship with death. And in at some of my
582
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.400
studies in the indigenous world that I frequently asked, think
583
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.640
in front of these things, especially in the plant medicine world,
584
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.279
you confront death, at this idea of death. And so
585
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.559
I was asking some questions to one of my sort
586
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.759
of mentors and teachers, and he said, look, death is
587
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.720
a part of life. You cannot there's no disconnecting these
588
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.200
two things. So if you want to have a vibrant life,
589
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.440
you need to be intimate with death, with the idea
590
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.720
of death, the idea of dying, what that really means.
591
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.519
So I think it's really important to meditate, to contemplate,
592
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.240
to consider that you will one day die. Now, it
593
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.039
doesn't mean that we want to draw that near. I
594
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.319
don't want to happen anytime soon, but that's the reality.
595
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.599
It can literally happen tomorrow. Again. These are all tools
596
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.920
and ways of framing our worldview to help us bring
597
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.880
us back into the present grateful for the small little
598
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:35.519
pains that I have now, or the little bit of
599
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.839
health issues or whatever sufferings that we're dealing with. We
600
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.440
can actually view those from a different perspective. So I
601
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.200
think that's really important just to.
602
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:46.279
Fall upon that for a moment, what you said about
603
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.400
an indigenous world and your experience there. So this is
604
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.839
also true in the Vedic traditions of both that and
605
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.640
the Buddhist traditions which came out of the Vedic traditions
606
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.480
of really holding death close at hand and really continually
607
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.480
contemplate death on the daily basis, as well as having
608
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.759
that commitment to exend one's life in order to detain
609
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.079
liberation for the benefit of all beings and create as
610
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.240
much benefit as one can and one's lifetime, but while contemplating.
611
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:11.960
Death as a daily reality.
612
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.799
Right, So it's kind of it's it's really interesting bringing
613
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.119
the two of those together, which of course allows us
614
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.799
to really appreciate.
615
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:22.519
Our life much more. Uh, you know, where we were
616
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.000
doing the.
617
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.240
Things to grow spiritually and extend our lives and add
618
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.480
value to our communities and while at the same time
619
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.200
we're living with the reality of the fragility of life
620
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.119
and the impermanence of life. That seems to be the
621
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.519
sweet spot really, even for just having a sense of
622
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.240
meaning in.
623
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.640
Life and and uh and and even joy.
624
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.440
I mean, it's you know, the joy that we experience
625
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.680
when we really appreciate the ephemeral nature of something or
626
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.319
a beautiful flower blooming or something. So it's it seems
627
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.880
like you need to bring those two things together to
628
00:32:58.960 --> 00:32:59.880
hit that sweet spot.
629
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.359
Yeah. And what I was going to kind of get
630
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.480
to is like kind of the meeting piece, right. So
631
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.480
this this is a big part of growing older.
632
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:06.960
You know.
633
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.960
You mentioned something about you know, outgrowing or outliving your children, right,
634
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.119
And I actually met at a gal that was ninety
635
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.400
four years old, and I asked her, I said, look,
636
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.599
you know your husband's passed. You know your kids, some
637
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:21.599
of them have passed, a lot of your friends have passed.
638
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.759
What keeps you going, you know? And she said, well,
639
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.880
I have to learn this song for the violin class
640
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.200
on Wednesday, right, And so she just picked up the
641
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.680
violin at ninety one. And I used to play violin.
642
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.079
She was horrible, but she was doing it. She learned
643
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.960
a new skill at ninety one, and she could actually play,
644
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.839
and she had meaning. She drived meeting from that.
645
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:43.119
Right.
646
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.519
So so this to me gets to the crux of
647
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.640
of what you were saying earlier that what is the
648
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.319
reason that we want to live a long time? Is
649
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.920
this so that I can be named the human that's
650
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.319
that's lived the longest in the record books? You know?
651
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.240
What is that? What's the point? Right? And when you
652
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.000
hang around and old people that are in their nineties
653
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.960
and beyond, what I recognize is that there seemed to
654
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.880
be this acceptance of, like, I lived a full life,
655
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.840
I'm kind of good. So I think this is what
656
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.360
naturally happens as we get older, is we get closer
657
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.039
to the end, we start to recognize of like, I
658
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.880
can't hang on forever. I don't really want to right,
659
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.000
the body is starting to let go. I can still
660
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.719
have my mind, I can still have relative health, and
661
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:32.920
yet I'm kind of I'm tired. Without without complaining and
662
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.360
without drawing any negativity around that of just like I've
663
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.119
done it. This is this is good. I'm good. Whenever
664
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.639
I go, I'm good. Right, So that's what I recognized
665
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.039
and a lot of the people that I was around
666
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.280
was that there was an acceptance of death. There was
667
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.719
an acceptance of reaching the end of whenever I go,
668
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.239
I go, it's all good, it's okay, So you know,
669
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.920
I think if But the other side of that, as
670
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.920
you alluded to, the meaning that we hold as we
671
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.519
grow older, right now, what I see in the West
672
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.800
is a severe lack of elders of that role, that
673
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.480
archetype of elders. Now, sure we've got some older people,
674
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.599
no question, we have decent lifespan in the West, even
675
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.599
though it's declining over the last five years, we still
676
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.000
have a decent lifespan. But it's the wisdom and the
677
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:26.000
archetype of the elder that is so valuable to society, right.
678
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.559
And so I mean we got to we have too
679
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.800
many in government, I guess right now. But at the
680
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.639
end of the day, the real leaders of a community,
681
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.920
of a society, of a culture, right, is going to
682
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.000
come from those elders. And so this is a two
683
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.960
part opportunity that we have going forward, is to for
684
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.960
people as they get older, as they retire from their jobs,
685
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.400
what is their perspective on their life at this point
686
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.280
is that okay, I'm done, I'm over. I can't really
687
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.320
contribute to society, or is it. Now I get to
688
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.599
step into this elder rule and I get to guide
689
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.159
the people around me whatever that might look like. It
690
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.159
might be on a wide scale or a small scale.
691
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.440
But if we have more of that transition happening, that's
692
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.679
going to benefit all of us, right. But then the
693
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.599
other side of that is the younger people. There's a
694
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.960
total there's a lack of value in in viewing older
695
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.159
people that way. So we're not we're not even willing
696
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.199
to look up and say guide me, right, So there's
697
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.079
a there's a there's two pieces to this puzzle, and
698
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.639
we're kind of lacking in both. So we really need
699
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.360
elders to step into that role, and we we it
700
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.280
would be really helpful if the younger people can start
701
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.000
to appreciate the value of elders. Now, I'm not sure
702
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.159
it's a chicken in the egg type of problem. My
703
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.320
my assumption is is that as we get more elders,
704
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.280
then the young people will find confidence in the elders
705
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.559
that they that they come across, right, So they kind
706
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.159
of need to lead the way. This is this is
707
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.880
a very valuable purpose of somebody growing older. It's not
708
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.280
to live a long time necessarily, but the longer that
709
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.559
they can maintain that role of elder. So if you
710
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.719
step into that at fifty or seventy or whatever that
711
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.559
role looks like for you, if we can maintain that
712
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.159
for as long as possible, that's going to really benefit
713
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.119
society because because of the experience and the wisdom that
714
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.039
was gained right, the scars that were picked up don't
715
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.719
need to be passed on to the degree that you
716
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.760
pick them up right. So this is to me, it's
717
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.280
the meaning that we hold. What is the meaning? And
718
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.400
so for me, when I look at living a long time,
719
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.119
the way I view that is that I get to
720
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.559
step into that elder role and I look forward to
721
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.280
really being that for younger generations. And also it gives
722
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.760
me more time to come into myself, to know myself right,
723
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.719
not necessarily to produce the widget right or to do
724
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more work. If that, if I drive value from that,
725
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and it's meaningful to me, great, But the deeper work
726
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really is getting to know myself. And so from here
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going forward, my work personally is to become more present
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in the moment, in the now, become more embodied so
729
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not just theorizing about all these things, but truly giving
730
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them into my body to walk to walk with enlightenment
731
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day to day. Right. And so that to me is
732
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I want to be healthy so that I can focus
733
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my energy, attention, and awareness on these types of growth
734
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versus trying to deal with all the chaos that the
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chronic issues and health issues come with.
736
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Right.
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So when we induce this sort of health span, it
738
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gives us, it frees up more resource, mental, physical, emotional
739
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.239
life force to apply to these these things that are
740
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.880
outside of myself, right, and even with coming into my
741
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.440
body and becoming more aware the personal work that is
742
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.599
done for the intent of all beings, all life. Right,
743
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So the work that I doing selfishly is actually an
744
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unselfish act in that way, living a long time just
745
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.599
to live a long time being healthy, just to be healthy,
746
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to produce, to make more money, to produce the widget.
747
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These are conditions that our society, that our culture, that
748
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we've picked up along the way, that are not really
749
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in alignment with I think that the highest value that
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we can bring.
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What if transformation isn't just about thinking differently but feeling differently.
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I love that your work is grounded in this.
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Looking for this alignment between health and well being and
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life optimization and meaning of life and wisdom and being
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able to contribute to die, and and especially that you
775
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brought up wisdom sometimes, you know, I think one of
776
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the one of the reasons I would aspire to have
777
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.480
a long relatively long life and long health bend is
778
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to be becoming.
779
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Wiser just with life.
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I mean, I do a lot of things to hopefully
781
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accelerate my wisdom, but also just you know, the longer around,
782
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the more you learn about life right naturally and unfortunately,
783
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it seems the role of the elder almost has to
784
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:33.719
happen at the local level. And you know, we've we've
785
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.920
moved away from extended families and even nuclear families, so
786
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.679
how to you know the elders are off? You know,
787
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.119
there's no contact then, and when young people look out
788
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.559
at the older people at scale in society, they say, oh,
789
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.599
they're creating climate change or discowing everything up. Why should
790
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:51.239
we trust them?
791
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Right?
792
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If they're more likely, I think people are more likely
793
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to connect with that wisdom of the elder locally and
794
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their own families and their own neighborhoods. So somehow we
795
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.079
have to rediscover that possibly, but you know, there's that
796
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.800
old saying, you know, youth is wasted on the young, right,
797
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and it seems like there's a lot of truth to that.
798
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But if you can have more vitality as you're older,
799
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then maybe that can be reversed. I mean, to still
800
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have good vitality and good health ba all do things,
801
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and also have the wisdom of sixty seventy eighty ninety years.
802
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Could could really be a sweet spot of creating quality
803
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.400
of life and meaning of life and soulfus as well
804
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as having a lot to offer to others.
805
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By the way, real quickly, I think those are connected.
806
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In other words, I don't know. I'm afraid of it
807
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this way. It's really it's not as easy to live
808
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.320
a long life, a long healthy life, if you don't
809
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.039
have true wisdom. So true wisdom very much connected, yes, right,
810
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from direct experience in alignment with life's principles. Right, So
811
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that is sort of a prerequisite to live a long
812
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time now now, so we can sort of skirt around that.
813
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Some people are constitutional born stronger right in their body. So,
814
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in other words, health doesn't start with me, it helped.
815
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It starts with my parents and their parents, and their
816
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.440
parents and their parents. So this is this is proven
817
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with with with modern science, we've seen the effects of
818
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.960
these epigenetic effects that that that go through the lineage.
819
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.639
So some people literally come into this world born stronger
820
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.000
than the rest of us, and that is in part
821
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due to their lineage and the things that they've gone through.
822
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.920
Now that now we can say that's wisdom transmitted through
823
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.840
the generations. Right, that's life. I mean, this is this
824
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.000
is the essence of our veda. Really, it's it's transmitting
825
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.440
wisdom through the into the body, through the generation. So
826
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.559
it's it's actually affecting our genetic expression, but it's also
827
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.239
picked up in one's personal life as well. And we
828
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.079
can argue even beyond this life, there's there's wisdom that
829
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get carried through. It gets carried through. So this wisdom
830
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.480
piece is so central to being healthy and and some
831
00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.039
of the things that we have yet to learn in
832
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this life. We might call these karmic, but there's things
833
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.920
that we haven't figured out yet, right, that is all
834
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.840
part of our wisdom history, you could say. So wisdom
835
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and direct experience is so central to our experience in
836
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this life and what that looks like. And so to
837
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speed through this wisdom piece. You know, we can go
838
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through it with a pace. I used to think that
839
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.840
wisdom that I learned through basically failure and struggle and
840
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.239
all this stuff, and then at some point I recognize,
841
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.079
oh wait, I can actually pick up wisdom without the struggle,
842
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.400
without the pain, without the toughness, right, we can. We
843
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.719
get to learn through ease, through grace, right through others.
844
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.920
There's direct transmission from valuable people we can call them
845
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.800
in our family as well as wisdom holders and wisdom
846
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.039
keepers and other people in this sort of spiritual world.
847
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.559
But we can actually pick that up directly. That's what's
848
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.119
cool about our system. So we actually don't have to
849
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.159
go through the struggles that they had to necessarily for
850
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.400
them to impart the wisdom. And I'm using wisdom here,
851
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.239
not knowledge, not information that somebody can tell you something
852
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.000
a thousand times and you still may not have the
853
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:15.639
direct wisdom embodied in your system. So this wisdom piece
854
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.440
really really is critical. And so I agree with you, like,
855
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.320
my goal is to pick up wisdom through ease and
856
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.159
through grace when possible, and through struggle and challenge when necessary.
857
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.360
And so if I can do that, and that part
858
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.559
of that is my willingness, my curiosity. Right, curiosity is
859
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.679
a very big piece in this sort of spiritual development
860
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.119
world and even in the human development world. Right, a
861
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:41.360
child that's curious will learn faster. So some of this
862
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:46.559
curiosity and willingness to engage with life itself is a
863
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.519
part of it. Now, that's the choice that I get
864
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:51.960
to make. So this is where the personal choice, right,
865
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.079
this autonomy that we actually have, we can choose to
866
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.199
engage with things we're not engage and the more we
867
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.920
engage with them, and this can be a direct physical engagement,
868
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.760
or it can be meditative engagement. But there's there's a
869
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.480
there's there has to be a willingness in order to
870
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.880
engage with life in order to get some of this wisdom.
871
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.880
So let's start talking a bit about how we can
872
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.320
and along with over you're saying we have more access
873
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.760
to the world's wisdom traditions than we've ever had before.
874
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.639
It's kind of and again, it's an amazing time to
875
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.199
be alive. Let's start talking about how we can begin
876
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:32.239
to change beliefs, transform beliefs that are not in support
877
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.239
of longevity and health span, and begin to develop beliefs.
878
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.400
It would be a more support of that because this,
879
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.519
you know, in question of health and vitality, there's many
880
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.800
people in their thirties, forties, and fifties who are not
881
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.400
living optimal lives, who are dealing with a lot of
882
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.400
health struggles, who are really you know, aging way too
883
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.320
early because of their diets and all the process through
884
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.400
and all the things. In our culture, there's a lot
885
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.280
of fear around alls Gheimer's and dementia. You know, some
886
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.480
of these diseases and diabetes and Alzheimer's and dementia, all
887
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.159
of which are kind of interrelated or are really on
888
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.559
their ascendancy, and even though we know what their root
889
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:18.360
causes are. So, you know, for audience, what are how
890
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.639
do we begin to understand, you know, what have I
891
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.239
inherited in terms of my belief structures from my family lineage,
892
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.119
for my culture. How do I learn about what are
893
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.239
the beliefs that are driving my behaviors that are not
894
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.920
so supportive to health and longevity? And then how do
895
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.239
I begin to change that and so that I can
896
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.920
really develop the beliefs that are going to motivate the
897
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.079
behaviors that allow me to live a longer.
898
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:44.639
And healthier life.
899
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:46.719
Yeah, I think you hit it on the head, which
900
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.000
is first asking the question, right, So you know, I've
901
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.480
come to the conclusion that I have to be really
902
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.840
careful with my beliefs. These are very very powerful things
903
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.760
that we hold, and I would argue that most of
904
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.119
them are at least partially incorrect or mostly incorrect.
905
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:04.480
Right.
906
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.159
So if we just start there, and if we start
907
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:11.400
with this idea that I'm actually ignorant, that I don't
908
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:15.159
know that my beliefs are probably at least a little
909
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.719
bit wrong or very wrong, or wrong some of the
910
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.880
time or most of the time, right, then we can
911
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.679
start from a humble place and we can examine. We
912
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.960
can hold very lightly what our beliefs are. Doesn't mean
913
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.519
we have to throw them away, but it helps to
914
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.880
hold them very lightly so that if new evidence comes,
915
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.119
if new experience shows me that something's that it's not
916
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:40.320
quite correct, that I don't have it quite correct, then
917
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.960
we're able to pivot. We're able to actually create a
918
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.559
new belief So I think that's step one is just
919
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.639
to get curious about your beliefs that you hold. And
920
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.679
many of our beliefs are going to be hidden from us.
921
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.800
They're going to be so we're going to be so
922
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.000
blinded by them that we don't actually see them until
923
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.360
something happens, and then that can shift our belief So
924
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.320
I think that's the starting point is to recognize I
925
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.000
have all these beliefs, many of them I don't see,
926
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.000
I don't know, and yet the ones that I can
927
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:12.239
identify are probably wrong. So that's that's a good starting point.
928
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.400
That means we have tons of growth opportunity, we have
929
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.000
tons of ability to shift these So if we start there,
930
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.119
then engaging with the world in a variety of ways,
931
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.480
So bring in variety into it. If you're doing the
932
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.679
same thing over and over again every single day, it
933
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.840
can be very difficult to encounter anything that's going to
934
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.519
create an opportunity for a shift in belief. Right, So
935
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.079
this is just kind of blanket statement. Go experience more things,
936
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:45.559
Go very the experiences that you have. That's that's the
937
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.599
that's the kind of shotgun approach. Just like wing it
938
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:51.440
and go try stuff right now we can we can
939
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.760
refine this a little bit, and I would say that
940
00:49:54.239 --> 00:50:00.199
experience being around people that are emulating or embody being
941
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.400
what you want to embody. Right in business, I've done
942
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.400
this in business where I'm around if you just hang
943
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.400
around and open and pay attention to people that are
944
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:16.360
doing well in business. You're going to pick up different things, right.
945
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.159
You can start to understand why they're good at business,
946
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.960
and it's not because they're more skillful or inherently better
947
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.639
or what have you. They've just navigated that world in
948
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.719
a different way than you have. So we can pick
949
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.360
up that type of thing. So I'd say start with
950
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.639
surrounding yourself with the people that are embodying things that
951
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.079
you don't yet quite embody. That's a really, really good
952
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.199
place to start. The other thing is I would say
953
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.360
you can examine your own beliefs that you can find
954
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:48.840
that you can identify, and you can meditate on those,
955
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.079
you can contemplate them.
956
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:51.400
Right.
957
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.800
So this self reflective work I think can be very
958
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.519
very powerful. May not get you to the end goal,
959
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.880
but you can start to identify these certain beliefs that
960
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:03.159
are a little wobbly that you inherently know, right, And
961
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.440
as we become more embodied in touch with ourselves, this
962
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.480
is a very good guiding light.
963
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:09.880
Right.
964
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So you often hear people say, oh, follow your heart,
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follow your gut. Well, those are great sayings, but if
966
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you don't really know what that means you don't really
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know how to do that, and I would say most
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of us have at least some struggle with that, Like
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we're not perfect with that, but we can get better,
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so we can recondition this, this tuning system. We can
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get this more highly focused so that I can start
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to actually follow my body signals the truth of what
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00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.679
is really happening. Right, The body holds a lot and
974
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.920
we have very intricate systems to be able to follow this.
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So becoming more in tune with that, Now, how do
976
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.440
we do that? Well, a lot of times it requires
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00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.119
processing old traumas and things that are that are creating
978
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.840
the belief structures and that are keeping us stuck. So,
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you know, working with some kind of therapists, and there's
980
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.519
many kinds of different therapists out there that do amazing
981
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.519
type of work, including the plant medicine world, right, working
982
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.239
with some people there to help dismantle and process some
983
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.440
of those things. I've had a number of experiences personally
984
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.039
and work with clients in this realm too, where once
985
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:16.639
we process this stuck piece, you can imagine imagine something
986
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that just hasn't been processed from when you were six.
987
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So there's this belief, there's a whole condition around it.
988
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It's holding in the body, it's holding in the mind
989
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and the mindset. There's a belief around it. And as
990
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we process that, generally it requires another nervous system to
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00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.119
do this or a special modality to help our own
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00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.679
nervous system do this. But once we process this through
993
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.400
our system, the new belief comes. This is what's wild,
994
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is that by processing some of this old gunk that's
995
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.440
stuck in our body mind, the new belief arises. To
996
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.639
become a good person, to be able to become compassionate, compassionate,
997
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.440
compassion It is not something that you have to work for,
998
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.119
really speaking, and we can practice it and we can
999
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.639
cultivate it, no question. But when you process some of
1000
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.760
this stuff, compassion arises. It's like it's the piece left
1001
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.039
over after you've chipped away all the coal. You know,
1002
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.320
you see a diamond right inside, and they've been there
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00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.880
all along, it's just been mucked over by this stuff.
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00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.239
So when we process some of these traumas in these conditionings,
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the natural gem will arise. So that's part of it.
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There's another part, which is conscious, and we can practice
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00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.719
new beliefs. Right. This is a gratitude practice. Right, this
1008
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:38.360
is objective, objectively viewing reality. So I suffer with chronic pain. Well,
1009
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as it turns out that chronic pain can be caused
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00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:45.320
by something in the physical world, no question, mold, heavy metals,
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00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.320
you know, various other things can cause this chronic pain,
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00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.880
not to mention physical abnormalities and that kind of thing
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00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.760
that can arise. What's interesting though, in that world and
1014
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.679
the chronic pain world, is that our nervous system becomes
1015
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.880
conditioned to a threat. So now our nervous so in
1016
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.559
other words, chronic pain can be exacerbated or literally frozen
1017
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:12.599
in our nervous system because that pain signal is so conditioned,
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00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.800
it comes so sensitized. So now we can actually get
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00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.599
rid of the original cause of the chronic pain. And
1020
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the body is still remembering chronic pain. It's remembering the
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00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.320
circuit of pain, pain, pain, pain, and we've created beliefs
1022
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.239
around that. Oh, I can't move that that way because
1023
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.280
if I do, then it's going to be painful. So
1024
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:33.800
we can literally reinforce this cycle and dig it in deeper. Right,
1025
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.639
So this chronic pain piece, there's two ways kind of
1026
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.519
out of that. One is whenever I'm not in pain.
1027
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This is kind of alludes to the work you were
1028
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.159
doing earlier. Is you start to recognize, oh, I'm sitting
1029
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.199
here and my knee is fine. I can rewire the
1030
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.119
safety signal into that chronic pain loop. So now I'm
1031
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.719
rewiring that. And then on the flip side of that,
1032
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.679
when I am feeling pain, hopefully I can get into
1033
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.800
a position that is not unbearable, but I can feel
1034
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:02.920
the pain. And this happened to me in a apossible
1035
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.719
meditation retreat that I did ten days no talking, meditating
1036
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sixteen hours a day, seventeen hours a day. And what
1037
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.039
I recognized that I had pain at the beginning, And
1038
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.199
as this ten day experience went on, the pain reduced
1039
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:20.159
because I was doing a sort of body scanning of
1040
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.360
that's part of the practice. And when you get when
1041
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.239
I got to the pain point, I didn't have an
1042
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.239
emotion around it anymore. I didn't have a feel I
1043
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.639
was rewiring. Even though I was feeling the pain, I
1044
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.760
was able to objectively view it. Oh, it's hot, it's sharp,
1045
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.920
it's pulsing, So I can just look at it as
1046
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.400
for what it is without the danger and threat. So
1047
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.840
now I'm rewiring the on the pain side, everything's okay.
1048
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.480
And when when there's no pain, I'm rewiring everything's okay.
1049
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.480
So now I'm rewiring this safety and that's just on
1050
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.000
the pain side. This can be any chronic health condition
1051
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.960
that you can name, or mental condition, depression, anxiety, whatever
1052
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.480
the case might be. We can actually rewire these things,
1053
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.920
so there's a conscious rewiring of the condition itself. So
1054
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.920
there's actually so much we can do to change our beliefs. Now,
1055
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once I start rewiring that chronic pain condition, my beliefs
1056
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.280
start to change because my evidence in my reality is shifting.
1057
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.679
So that one vipostit and meditational treat that I did
1058
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.480
was enough to crack me open and look at my
1059
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.159
pain differently. I saw, wow, ten days my pain reduced
1060
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.159
while sitting in an kneeling position meditating. Okay, that means
1061
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.280
that it's not just physical. Sure, there may be some
1062
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:41.039
physical abnormalities that are creating a heightened pain response. But
1063
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what it taught me was that there was a nervous
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00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.559
system component, there was a brain component that I was
1065
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.320
exacerbating the signal. There was something involved with me and
1066
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:53.239
my view of the pain. So that was enough to
1067
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.159
crack it open. And then I did more work on
1068
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found the science behind it, and other things that are
1069
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.800
that have shown that this is in large part the
1070
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case with all chronic pain. There's probably ninety to ninety
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five percent is at least partially driven by the brain
1072
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and nervous system conditioning. So sometimes you just need that
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little bit. But if I'd never gone to that bopostumum,
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I didn't go there to try to solve chronic pain.
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00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:19.719
I went there for a totally different reason that were
1076
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.639
spiritually related and just experientially wanted what is this going
1077
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to be?
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Like?
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I've never not talked for ten days, So in that experience,
1080
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.079
just putting myself into that experience, I was able to
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00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.800
get this other outcome that was able to change a
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00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.760
belief even so slightly it didn't fully change it. So
1083
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.440
that so the process of unwinding that chronic pain is
1084
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:45.320
the practicing of changing my beliefs around it. So generally
1085
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.960
with beliefs, there's a piece of the body that's involved.
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00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.800
And this can be political beliefs, this can be any
1087
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.320
kind of belief you can imagine there's a piece in
1088
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.760
the body that is triggered whenever you have an experience
1089
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.599
and a perfect example of this is if you go
1090
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.679
up on age to give a speech in front of
1091
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.440
five thousand people, most of us are give me a
1092
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.679
little bit nervous in that experience. You know, unless you're very,
1093
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.760
very experienced, we're going to have a little bit of nerves.
1094
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.360
What are those nerves? They're nothing but a projection of
1095
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.960
what might happen if I screw up, if I'm not viewed,
1096
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.000
if I'm viewed in such a way that I'm not accepted,
1097
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.280
or that I'm whatever the case is. These are beliefs
1098
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.880
that are being projected into the future that are creating
1099
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:32.199
a body sensation, and the body sensation starts to reinforce
1100
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.960
these things. Right, So that whole belief and conditioning of
1101
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.760
me speaking on stage came from a prior experience of
1102
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.800
speaking of not being accepted, of not being loved, or
1103
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:47.119
whatever the case might be. The fear signals from the
1104
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.360
past that is informing me that this is actually not
1105
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.719
so safe. You could be outed here, you could be
1106
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:54.840
kicked out of the tribe, you know, these type of things.
1107
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.559
So there's a piece with the body that is that
1108
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.880
cannot be disconnected from beliefs. So if we're trying to
1109
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.880
rewire beliefs, any kind of somatic piece to this will
1110
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.280
be beneficial. And so oftentimes we can actually go just
1111
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.400
to the body itself and beliefs will shift.
1112
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:18.000
Well, you've shared a lot incredibly helpful. I want to
1113
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:19.719
I want to summarize here a little bit and then
1114
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.239
kind of work. And you're in the end of our time,
1115
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.480
and I want to ask you about a very specific
1116
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:26.800
belief before we finish, one belief that you might think
1117
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.840
might most be in our way in terms of health
1118
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.039
and longevity. So you can think about that. But we'll
1119
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.599
come back to that. But you know, I love what
1120
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.280
you pointed to about, you know, wisdom, and really foundational
1121
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:42.719
to wisdom is curiosity, open mindedness, humility, you know, if
1122
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.760
we if we just take and so much what you've
1123
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.440
been talking about today is mindset. And you know, I
1124
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:49.360
think a lot of people longevy. Okay, Well, tell me
1125
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:49.760
what to eat?
1126
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:50.119
Which side?
1127
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.280
Should I be in keito or should I be palio
1128
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:52.960
or should.
1129
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:53.920
I be this? I need to be vegan?
1130
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:55.719
Can I eat red meat? Grasp at me kind of
1131
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.800
you know, all of a sudden, you know, tell me
1132
00:59:57.800 --> 00:59:59.639
what to do with they might want all that information
1133
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.519
or or you know, we know we're surrounded, you know
1134
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.159
the things you were talking about.
1135
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:06.440
We know a lot of it is.
1136
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.400
Disease is caused by some kind of systemic inflammation, which
1137
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.119
now it can happen as a direct result of our
1138
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.719
diet or pollutants in the air or other things. But
1139
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:20.119
then it can get conditioned as these patterns into the
1140
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.599
body that could perpetuate chronic pain past the cause of
1141
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.400
the chronic pain. As you're discussing, So the mindset and
1142
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.880
really understanding how this works seems to be so essential. Yes,
1143
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.800
we can try to do things to eat, the figure
1144
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.159
out whatever the best diet is for us to lessen
1145
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.639
our exposure to pollutants so that we can't completely live
1146
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:41.960
in a bubble. But the mindset part of it is
1147
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:46.239
so powerful that you're pointing to, and just to generalize
1148
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:50.119
that a bit, it seems like most of the beliefs
1149
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.519
that are not helpful in the long run in terms
1150
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.679
of our health and wellbeing and meeting in life and
1151
01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:00.639
spiritual wellbeing, the whole thing had to do with sort
1152
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.719
of fear based beliefs about ourself that I'm not enough,
1153
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:09.000
or feelings of unworthiness, not enoughness, and scarcity believes about
1154
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.320
the world that there's not enough resources to go around,
1155
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.760
which puts me in basically a fear based possible And
1156
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:15.760
this is a human condition.
1157
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.679
It's nobody's fault.
1158
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.519
But we have the ability as conscious beings to transcend
1159
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.159
that and to create the sense of safety and resource
1160
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.400
and connectors that can help us not live in that
1161
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:28.960
state of fight or flight. But absent that, we tend
1162
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.119
to evolve these belief structures that are fear based, and
1163
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.199
that may be a lower or higher level of functionality,
1164
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.880
but it's still essentially fear based. And then with the
1165
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:42.920
very experience is it gets conditioned into these patterns, right,
1166
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.199
And so we can talk about very specific beliefs, but
1167
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.960
in general that seems to be some I mean, in
1168
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.280
talking to Stephen Portness during the pandemic, he felt, you know,
1169
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.679
as a phenomena of long COVID became an issue and
1170
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.000
still is an issue for people, felt like that was
1171
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:06.800
the original virus was probably not operational anymore, but the
1172
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:11.519
system got locked into a patterning, right, a patterning of
1173
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:16.360
reactivity that was now perpetuating decision. Very much exactly what
1174
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:20.480
you're talking about, right. So I love that you're talking
1175
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.159
so much about the mindset stuff and how do we
1176
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.360
change that by being becoming reflective human beings who are curious,
1177
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:31.280
open minded, humble and studying ourselves and studying the world
1178
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.039
and just curious and being willing to kind of to
1179
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:36.199
figure it out. I think our we've all been kind
1180
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.280
of a culturated to just say, somebody, give me the answer,
1181
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.719
give me a rule book to follow, right, instead of,
1182
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:43.440
you know, kind of embracing the responsibility that each of
1183
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.920
us has to become a reflective human being who's it's
1184
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.320
up to me to grow and educate myself and increase
1185
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.880
my knowledge, my wisdom and so forth. And of course
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01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:57.280
there's lots of sources, but that simplistic view of and
1187
01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:59.280
you know, and then when we follow the culture and
1188
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.000
we find ourselves with all kinds of disease because we've
1189
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.400
just been eating what they advertise on TV, and then
1190
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.280
we feel victimized by it, right, because we're not taking
1191
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.400
responsibility for this.
1192
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:11.920
So I love that you're in.
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01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.960
General pointing to this area and I wonder if you
1194
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:20.639
could and that you're really bringing this into the rewiring
1195
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:24.199
because this is, you know, this is about rewiring our beliefs, right,
1196
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.039
and to optimize our lives. And we understand the phenomenal
1197
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.800
neuroplasticity that we can rewire our nervouses, we can rewire
1198
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.719
the brain, and you know, our beliefs are reflected in
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neural networks that are more robusts or less robust, so
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we can literally we can think of changing our beliefs psychologically,
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we can also think of it neurobiologically. And the tour
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completely connected obviously, And this someone originally came out of
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our rewriting the Brain World summit, So that's that's the
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place we're in. So I love that you're you know,
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speaking about it in that way, and how we've all
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accumulated a certain level of this fear based fight or
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flight patterns that leads to chronic inflammation and disease and
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shortens our lives and all kinds of health problems, and
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we can begin to reverse that and probably developing a
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self understanding to do that, and questioning our beliefs and
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developing the kind of mindset you've been talking about may
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even be more impactful than the specific food we eat
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or the specific exercise regimen we take on, not that
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those things aren't important.
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Well, I'll give you an example of that fleet because
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you know We've probably all heard the phrase that chronic
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stress kills, right, or chronic stress is bad for your health. Well,
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is that true, right? What we're finding is that chronic stress,
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it's not the chronic stress. It's not the stress that's
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harmful to our body. It's the belief that it's harmful
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to our body that does the most harm. And the
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reason we know this is because we can have these,
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let's say, stressful experiences. If I go to a theme
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park and I go on a roller coaster, virtually the
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same mechanisms biologically, physiologically are happening on a thrill ride,
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and yet I'm having fun and I can't wait to
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do it. Oh my gosh. That is a different euphoric stress, right,
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A you stress versus this fear based stress. So I'm
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not so sure that it's the actual stress, it's the
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it's the belief about the stress that it's creating more harm.
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And same thing with with McDonald's hamburger, which we can
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all agree is not the best food. If I ingest
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that in a a in a state where my biology
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is suboptimal. In other words, I'm not in this rest
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and digest parasympathetic state and I'm eating this thing. Oh
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my god, there's processed seed oils and everything. There's glypystate
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and there's all this. If I'm eating that burger in
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that state, then that has a We digest it differently
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than if I were to eat it almost ignorant of
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the ill health effects. And I'm on a beach and
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I'm RESTful. Now, I'm not to say, dont these things
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like this is why we had to hold our beliefs
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very lightly, because it's not what I'm saying. Chronic stress
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can be harmful, but what's the belief around it. McDonald's
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hamburgers are not healthy, but we can make it worse.
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We can compound that right with the beliefs that we
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hold right. So these are the things that again when
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I stated that, like most of the beliefs that we
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have or at least partially incorrect, I'm very serious with that,
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because we just don't know where these these threats are
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hiding in our beliefs, so to speak. But it is
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the mindset, it is the belief. Another one that has
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to do that I've learned very strongly growing up was
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that hard work. In order to be successful, you must
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work hard. And so I held that belief in my system.
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It wasn't a conscious thought I had all the time,
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but that was embedded in all the motivational videos that
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I watched as an athlete. All the things was like,
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we're hard. You must work hard. If you want to
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be successful, you gotta work hard. You can go onto
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YouTube and find tons of motivational speechers that essentially give
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you that message. Now, if we parse that out a
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little bit, I'm not saying hard work is bad. Hard
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work is a very good thing, like sure, absolutely, But
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if you're tying these two together, success and hard work
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are intimately linked, then you will never find success without
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hard work, everything will be hard for you. And that's
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what I created in my reality and I locked that in.
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It was frozen in my reality. So anytime I had success,
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I had to work hard. So that proved to me,
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that reinforced the belief well, success hard work, okay, But
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there was other times where I'd work hard and I
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wouldn't have success. And then what I later learned was
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I actually have success. I can have abundance, I can
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do all these things without working so hard. And that
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may sound obvious, as I stated, but to have that
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embodied in my system and to behave and to believe
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as such, that's a totally different reality that I can
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create with saying that, Yes, hard work is valuable and
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when necessary it can be a very good tool. And
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I can also have success without working so hard. Right,
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So there's so much nuance in our beliefs. So that's
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what I mean, like, there's there's very there's so much nuance.
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And it really comes down to the linking of some
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of these things. If we're yoking them together, if they
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are so intimately blinked, then they will then we're going
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to operate that way, and our reality is going to
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reflect that back to us. So sometimes they need to
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be unhooked. Chronic pain, Yes, deformities can increase chronic pain. No,
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every deformity is not linked with chronic pain, so we
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can we got to unlink those and John Sarno was
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one of the first chiropractors that looked at this. He
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was looking at back images and one guy was running
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marathons and the other guy couldn't get out of bed
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and looked almost exactly the same on all the imaging
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that he was doing. And that was his point of saying, well,
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what's going on here? You know, I was taught that
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this is how you know, if this, if I see
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this in a back then there's gonna be there's gonna
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be unbelievable pain. But as evidence showed him, not the case.
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So we've got to unhook some of these things. Our
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beliefs are often intricate, intricately linked, and so unhooking those
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can can provide a new level of reality.
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Yeah, and there's actual studies that show that it's our
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beliefs about stress or the determinant of the negative impacts
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of stress. Stress in particular. I'm not sorry about chronic stuff.
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If you stay in a state of actual chronic test
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that's probably going to be unhealthy in a long time.
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And I think you're locked into fear in that.
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Case, exacerbated shill the mind. The mind is so powerful. So, Jason,
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if you've talked about some already, but if you had
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to pick one and your work with people, one belief
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that you feel people hold that may be fairly prevalent
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in society or in the world that most undermines their
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health and wellbeing and their prospects for living a longer,
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healthier life, what would that be?
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What stands out to you.
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Would say, on the physical health sign, it's the belief
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that there's something wrong with my body. Whether it's the genes,
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whether it's my gut, whatever it is, is not working correctly.
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My thyroid, my liver, my brain, there's something going on there.
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My skin, it's not working correctly. So there's something inherently
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wrong with the way my body is that is commpletely wrong.
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We have an optimal expression of our biology. We're just
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out of alignment with something. Our behaviors, our thoughts, are
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our ideas, how we're acting. It's just out of alignment
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with the full expression of that of your genetic code,
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so to speak. So that's a big one. Another one
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is kind of what you said earlier. It's this belief
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that we are not safe. It's the belief that we
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are discs, that we are not all connected right, and
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that we don't have the power. So these are kind
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of the first three chuckras, right, the safety mechanism right,
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the root the sacral which is connection right, and the
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third chuckra is essentially that I am right. So those
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are kind of key pieces, and then we can work
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at the heart in there as well, which is the
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we are all love, we are all connected in that
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in that way, and there's a divine union of masculine
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and feminine and all the dualities come together at the heart.
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Right.
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So when we when we perceive that we are disconnected,
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I'm alone, I'm I don't have support, right, These are
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deeply embedded. These are beyond the conscious mind most of
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the time. So those are those things that are beliefs
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that are that are more i would say body based
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or system based, beyond the mind even are holding us back.
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And this is part of the reason why meditative practice,
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why the spiritual pursuits are so critical, and the processing
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of traumas, because as we do those that work that
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interpersonal work, these things start to recognize on their own
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without any efforting. Ah, I am actually always connected. I'm
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connected to myself, I'm connected to the earth, I'm connected
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to all that is right. When you have that embodied
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in your system, then these little tugs of loneliness of
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disconnection aren't quite as strong. And that helps provide that safety,
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that connection and the power that I am here, I
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am I can do this right. So these are these
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are the mother father principles. There's so many deeply deep
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aspects to this wisdom. But doing that work will really
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help ignite the truth about these things who you are,
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what's really true? And when you have the direct experience,
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and you may only have it once, but that's all
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it takes, is to have a direct experience of connection
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to all by just sitting here, then you start to recognize, Okay,
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well that's always there, I'm just not accessing it all
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the time. So just that little bit of like peek
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into the window of the truth of who you are
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and what you are will start to dismantle those beliefs,
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perhaps slowly, perhaps very quickly. But when we do that,
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then our health improves, our finances improves, our relationships improve,
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Everything about our reality starts to almost as if magic.
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And so that's keeping us stuck is those those incorrect
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beliefs about what's really happening in my reality.
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Wow, so powerful, incredibly illuminating and empowering.
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Thank you so much for the work you're doing, Michwise.
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Thanks Leete be Well, thank you for joining me on
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the Radical Responsibility podcast. Remember, real change happens when we
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commit to our growth, face our challenges with compassion, and
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