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Hi guys, Welcome to a new
episode of The Factor podcast. I'm your
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host Jessica Riddle. If this is
your first time tuning in, welcome and
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thanks for listening. In today's episode, we're taking a bit of a detour
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from our typical training format to bring
you a special Q and a discussion.
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Today we'll be chatting with doctor Shay
Stark in a segment titled sports Chiropractic Encouraging
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female leadership in a male dominated profession. From treating on the sidelines to serving
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on the governing boards for some of
the world's leading sports medicine organizations. In
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recent years, we've seen a huge
uptick of female leadership within sports chiropractic,
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but there is still so much more
to be done to encourage the next generation
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to continue to lean into opportunities and
step into leadership positions when they're presented.
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And who better to have this discussion
with than doctor Shay Stark, former President
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of the ACA Sports Council, current
North American Representative for the International Federation of
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Sports Chiropractic and member of the Medical
Commission for USA Cheerleading. A graduate of
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Texas Chiropractic College, doctor Shay Stark
began getting involved in leadership and service positions
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within professional organizations while she was still
a student in chiropractic school. She took
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advantage of every opportunity to learn and
build her network. We'll touch a little
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bit today on what she learned from
these experiences and discuss the ways that being
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intentional about building her network while still
in school served as a catalyst that continues
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to open doors to this day.
In this fascinating conversation, we will chat
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about doctor Stark's journey and pursuing her
career in sports chiropractic. We'll talk about
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the importance of manual skills in treating
on the sidelines and take a little peek
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behind the curtain to learn what it
takes to travel the world treating high performance
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athletes. As a fellow female entrepreneur, I had a ton of fun with
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this discussion. My hope is that
this serves as inspiration and provides some actionable
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tips for students or new practitioners who
are still seeking direction and purpose on their
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next steps. And while this is
a bit of a shorter episode than most,
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I think you'll find great value in
learning from doctor Stark's story and finding
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out what has led her to where
she is today. Now, full disclosure,
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some of our audio is not the
best. On this particular episode,
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we were utilizing zoom and sometimes connection
was a bit spotty. Obviously in the
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post production and editing we have cleaned
it up as much as humanly possible.
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But I still think there's so much
valuable content in this episode that I wanted
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to publish this, even with a
little bit of the audio challenges. So
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that being said, pull up a
seat, let's cue the intro music and
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dive right in. What are you
involved in now? I know you recently
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have made up a significant move back
down to Yes. So after almost six
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years up in Bozeman, Montana,
I decided to move back to Houston and
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I opened my own practice. So
I've been going for just over two years
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now in my own practice. So
that's a lot of time and energy.
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But I, as you said,
I also hold leadership positions within sports chiropractic,
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and I have been able to blessed
really to be able to do my
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real passion, which is travel to
treat athletes fellow the world. So I
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was in Barcelona a couple of weeks
ago for actually for board meetings. So
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I wasn't treating athletes, but I
have a really wonderful opportunity coming up.
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First taste of kickboxing. I was
in your solo Italy for the Kickboxing World
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Championships, and so I'm happy.
I'm really excited to be going back and
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hopefully see some of the athletes that
I worked on last year do some really
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great things of the European Championships.
So oh, that's phenomenal. Yeah,
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that is amazing. And I know
you were recently at World Games as well,
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is that correct, Tarness? I
was. Yeah, so I was
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part of the fifty four chiropractic delegation
of the World Game along with someone you
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know really well, that's actually where
he came up with this brilliant idea to
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get me on to chat with everybody. So yeah, the World Games is
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phenomenal. Yeah, awesome. Well, I am very excited to kind of
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chat today. And I mentioned earlier
You've had kind of a very long journey
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within sports chiropractics, so i'd love
Pike and then eighth grade. I moved
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from Houston to Phoenix, and so
when I was in Phoenix, I got
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really the involved was playing volleyball and
I kind of dropped everything else and started
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focusing on playing volleyball. My sophomore
year, I started playing year round,
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So I was playing club volleyball year
round all the time, and I got
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a scholarship to a junior college in
Northern Arizona. Yeah, so I went
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and played volleyball in Northern Arizona and
Preps Gate actually for a couple of years,
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and then got recrough at All Division
one year in Greensboro, North Carolina
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called North Carolina A and T State
University, and I played volleyball there for
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the final two years of my four
year eligibility. Well, because I transferred
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schools, I wasn't able to complete
my bachelor's in four years, so I
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had another year that I had to
go to school, and funny enough,
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my senior year playing volleyball, we
did our team bondings and I was finished
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with my eligibility playing volleyball. But
one of the girls on the bowling unfortunately
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had to lead school for health reasons
and they were short a person, and
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so the bowling coach was talking to
the volleyball coach about it and she's like,
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well, why don't you try out, Shay. We did this team
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bonnie thing and she seemed to know
what she was doing. And so I
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tried out for a bowling team and
I made it, and so I spent
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the second half of my first senior
year, I guess on the bowling team,
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and then the entire next year.
So with the NC DOUBLEA, you
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get four years of eligibility in one
sport or five years and two sports.
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So then I was able to be
a two sport athlete volleyball and bowling at
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the Division one level, which is
pretty amazing to me. Oh yeah,
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absolutely, it's incredible. Yeah,
and then I realized that I realized that
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after a year and a half budget
level, I was way better of a
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bowler than I ever was a volleyball
player. Stuck on that route, But
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here we are. It's fine.
Oh that's amazing. So remind me to
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never go on a team building and
met with an even a bowling alley.
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You will. It's funny because this
is always the question, right, how
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did you get into chiropractic? And
I wish I could say, man,
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I had this really amazing chiropractor that
changed my life. Unfortunately that's not the
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case. I had no idea what
chiropractic was until after I graduated from undergrad
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so I never grew going to a
chiropractor. Even playing at a Division one
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university, there wasn't a chiropractor around. I wasn't ever even talked about.
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I'd never heard of it, no
idea what it was. And so the
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med team that I dealt with was
primarily athletic chairs and because of the extent
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of my injuries with the exurgeons,
a lot of people therapists. Okay,
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so that was pretty beginning and end
of my sports medicine team, which is
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ultimately why I became a chiropractor.
So after I had graduate or undergrad excuse
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me, I want to be just
like a family provider of sports med doc
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whatever. And I met and was
speaking with this chiropractor and she kind of
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explained to me what it was,
and I was just completely blown away.
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I was like, how have I
never heard of this before? This is
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so crazy. And so I went
back to Greensboro and I found a sports
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chiropractor, and I was also looking
at potentially being a physician's assistant as well.
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So I was kind of up in
the air, and I called the
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physician's assistant for my sergeant's office,
and I called this chi her called me
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back. The chiropractor did, and
so I went and shadowed him. The
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very first day. I was like, this is it like I've done.
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It was like a light sirens going
off, like this is amazing, this
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is exactly what I want. That
was the direction I took. I didn't
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really look back. I didn't really
look any other opportunities. I was like,
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that's exactly what I want to be
doing. And so then I started
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the hunt for how does one go? Really, I probably could have done
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my due diligence. A look,
I don't regret going there at all.
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I have an absolute amazing time.
I had a great experience. It was
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just that was I kind of had
blinders on and I was like, all
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right, well I'm going home and
so made that decision and oh that's amazing.
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Well, and I think oftentimes speaking
to docs over the years, location
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does really factor into it when it
comes to where they decide to pursue their
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education. And likewise, I'm curious
to hear like what that sports chiropractor told
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you. That was like, okay, this is for me, Like I
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really like what he's doing, I
really like how this practice runs, or
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I really like the fact that he
gets to work with athletes, Like,
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for you, did you always want
to be a sports chiropractor once you had
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that exposure to one, or did
you ever consider other specialties within chiropractor.
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No, sports chiropractic was pretty much
it. I knew, even before I
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knew what chiropractic was, that I
wanted to be in sports medicine. Given
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my I miss playing time every single
season because of some injury. I always
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look back right hindsights twenty twenty,
so I'm like, well, had I
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had access to chiropractic or knew what
chiropractic was back then, maybe my body
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would be in better shape than it
is now. But then I also think
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everything that's happened to me along my
chiropractic career has happened when it was supposed
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to happen. Everything has worked out
the way it was supposed to work out,
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which is funny. And now,
especially being having a new practice and
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everything, I lived by that faith
where I'm like, Okay, stressed out
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about this, It'll work itself out. It always does, and that's always
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just shown me this is what I'm
supposed to be doing. And I think
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that that faith and that knowledge that
I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing,
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is why I'm so passionate about service
to my profession. So it all
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kind of love it both circles.
Yeah, Now, when you entered chiro
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in medical school, right, However, I didn't realize when I decided to
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go and transfer to the school in
North Carolina that their biology program was geared
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towards research. It was not pre
med and so even though I was I
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was taking biochem and organic chemistry and
the chemistries and things like that that I
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needed to take. Biology majors were
not allowed to register for human anatomy classes,
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which sounds really funny. Yeah.
Instead, instead we had to take
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a comparative vertebrate anatomy class, which
was every vertebrate except humans. Oh yeah,
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I was so strange. And so
when I actually graduated from undergrad and
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I was planning on going to school
to medical school, even this is before
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I decided against that, I knew
I had to go back and take these
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anatomy and physiology classes in order to
meet it to get into chiropractic schools.
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But I did complete those before I
made the transition. So yeah, the
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biology program we were in was really
geared towards research. So it was a
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lot of statistics, a lot of
microbiologies and things like that that we take
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in chiropractic school two but aren't really
geared towards what we what we do necessarily.
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So yeah, I mean, I
have a bachelor's in biology, but
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it didn't really it wasn't it wasn't
the pre med route. It was like
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a more of a PhD research route. Gotcha? Okay? Yeah, Now
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let's talk a little bit about your
time at TCC from trimester one on.
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Did you try to look for opportunities
to get in front of athletes, work
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with teams, volunteer, Like what
did you do above a year to apply
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to medical school? So one year
turned into two years and I was working
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and I had a good job and
I was enjoying it. And then when
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I found out what chiropractic was,
and I decided to go that route and
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I moved back to Houston. I
had to defer chiropractic school for two years
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because I ended up injuring my other
need and had three through it, had
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three knee surgeries within a year,
and I ended up in rehab for like
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a full two years trying to trying
to recover from these injuries. And so
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it ended up differing chiropractic school for
two years, and then I was like,
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okay, I need to go.
If I don't go back soon,
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it's just going to be that much
easier for me not to go. So
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then I gave my lawyer a couple
of months notice and I said, look,
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I'm going back to school. And
so when I started chiropractic school,
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I was a few probably about five
years older than from school. I was
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also working part time from home,
and I was doing some other things.
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So I was juggling a lot of
stuff when I was going through chiropractic school.
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But I think those extra few years
motivated me a little bit more to
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focus on what happened next. So
it was really important to me early on
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in my chiropractic school education that I
started networking and meeting chirop actors as early
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as possible, right. And I
remember some of my classmates asking you,
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like, why are you doing all
of these things? Like it doesn't like
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how do you have time to do
all these things? And I was like,
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it's a priority for me. I
was like, for me, it
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wasn't my top priority to make straight
a's in chiropractic school. I was like,
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I was working, I had a
life, like I had other things.
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I had bills today it's death,
and I had an I had a
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going to what's now called Engage with
ACA, and I was traveling to Washington,
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DC to lobby on Capitol Hill on
behalf of chiropractic. So I did
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that all three years I was in
chiropractic school, and it really did show
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me the importance of being an ACA
member, of supporting that organization and driving
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chiropractic forward as a profession. Right, And we got hit so much with
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the lawsuits that the AA was trying
to eradicate chiropractic with and just all of
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these things. And when you look
back at it, yeah, chiropractic became
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a thing went in like eighteen ninety
five, but it was in the seventies
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when chiropractic was still illegal in some
states. And so that really hit me
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hit home for me because I'm like, man, this is profession as a
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whole, was one of them.
And so because of that, I ended
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up sitting for two years as the
vice president of our SACA chapter. Well
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then I knew that I wanted to
be in sports medicine, so we didn't
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really have a sports council per se. It was kind of started by a
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couple of guys in the try ahead
of me, and so I kind of
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worked with them to get it up
and running. And so then I started
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going to the ACA Sports Council symposiums
as a student. So I went all
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three years as a student. My
first one was in Scottsdale in twenty twelve,
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and then New Jersey in twenty thirteen, and then Portland in twenty fourteen.
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So I kind of worked my way
to all of those and those were
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really important for me to meet sports
chiropractors, right, to meet people who
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are doing what I want to do
and so yes, so that was huge.
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And then after my first year going
to the ACA Sports Council Symposium in
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Scottsdale, I met a female sports
chiropractor and a first class that was with
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my clinic requirements. I got to
do two preceptorships and I really got to
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get out there and see what was
there. And I didn't have to worry
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about what am I going to do
when I graduate because I could have gone
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anywhere and I had a lot of
opportunities when I graduated and so for me
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that was the most important thing.
That effort well, and it's so important
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and meeting people, getting to know
chiropractors within the profession was so instrumental because
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then when you it does come time
to graduate, have your pick. You
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have some choices, and you put
in the time, you volunteered, you
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showed up so that they have a
better idea of who you are as a
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professional, even though you're not a
licensed chiropractor yet they have an idea of
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what type of professional, what type
of employee you would be exactly. Yeah,
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I love that preparation for the future. Yeah, absolutely so in terms
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of the leadership roles that you've served
on, you know, especially those as
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a student, and even now,
do you feel like there's a gap when
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it comes to women taking these leadership
roles? Do you feel like there's some
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work to be done in that respect
or insight could you get from that standpoint.
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It's interesting because when I was a
student with Sports Council specific sports chiropractic,
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and I think that's really what guided
me to continue with the organization was
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here are these women who are not
only excelling as a sports chiropractor, but
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they're also leading this national organization of
other sports chiropractors, and so it really
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gave me the motivation work organization.
My first year out of school, one
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of the female presidents contacted me and
she said, Hey, would you want
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to would you be interested in stepping
in as our secretary? And I'm like,
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well, I'm just a year out
of school, like I don't even
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know what the heck I'm doing yet, and she goes, you know what,
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your experience on our student board I
think has really groomed you for this
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opportunity. I think it would be
really important for you to do this.
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And I'm like okay, And so
I stepped on the board and I served
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a year as secretary, and then
I served a year as second vice president,
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and then I served a year as
first vice president, and then I
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ran unopposed for president and I spent
two years as president of this organization.
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And I have the distinct their mentors
to me. And so now just finishing
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of the ostivation. And so it's
so great to see now we have just
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as many, if not maybe one
or two more females on our national executive
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board than males, and so it's
really awesome to be working with these women
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who are empowered sports chiropractors. So
for me as a sport like as a
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female chiropractor, a lot of people
just assume that you're going to be pediatrics
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and pregnancy, which is fine.
I know a lot of women who specialize
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in pediatrics and pregnancy, but I
wasn't really interested in that so much.
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As a student, I knew sports
Cadison was for me just given my background,
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and it was really important for me
to protect the next generation of athletes
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some things that I had to experience
as an athlete, and so that was
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That's what really what drives me as
an a as a sports chiropractor is I've
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been there, I've been that athlete, and I want to be that and
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so nationally, at least from my
perspective dealing with the organization, the Sports
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Council, we have a lot of
strong female sports chiropractors and so I think
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that's very empowering, even for the
next generation. I think even our student
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board is all female right now,
which is amazing. And so just knowing
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that the next generation of sports chiropractors
are going to be strongly emile, or
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a large portion of them female,
I think that's wonderful because we have our
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own perspectives. There are a lot
of things that I can do as a
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female sports chiropractor that my male counterpart
wouldn't be able to do just because of
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kind of how things are in society
nowadays. Right, So I think it's
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it's almost beneficial for me being a
female. Somebody uncomfortable, somebody in an
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awkward position. So so I'm just
really proud of sports chiropractic as a special
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female But then when you look at
sports chiropractic, it's also the fastest growing
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specialty within chiropractic. Yeah, so
I think it's really phenomenal to see a
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profession that is on the whole male
dominant having female leaders within sports chiropractic.
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And you're right, there is definitely
some benefits, especially when it comes to
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treating female athletes, and we know
the statistics about females and their injury for
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certain sports versus males. So I
think that's that's a phenomenal step forward.
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So what advice would you give then
to students or new docs that are looking
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to get involved, that are wanting
to volunteer or possibly serve. Are there
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committees they can get involved in,
like how do they start, how do
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they get linked into these things?
Yeah, absolutely, there's quite a few
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things actually, So a lot of
pools have and those opportunities may come from
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that from the involvement in that club, because most of those clubs have a
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faculty advisor who is a sports chiropractor
or somebody who is interested in sports chiropractic
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and are trying to make those connections. Local events may be able to teach
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you check or teach you how to
tape or something cool like that that goes
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a little bit above and beyond your
education. So my first piece of advice
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is always getting involved in a club
at school. And then the second thing
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would be the ACA Sports Council does
have student membership, and so being a
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student member of the ACA Sports Council
allows you to kind of tap into those
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potential events and educational opportunities on a
national level. You get to connect with
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like minded students at different campuses across
the country. So that would my second
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piece of advice is look into getting
involved in sports council on the national level.
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And like I said, fix is
kind of for students who are they
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be able to be there and kind
of experience that. So early, so
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those opportunities are there as well.
And then my other thing is look for
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those local opportunities. Right, So
for TCC students specifically we live in Houston,
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Like there's races and they're supporting events
all the time. If there's the
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local soccer teams or they'll pop Warner
football or anything like that. Volunteer,
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you know what I mean. Take
a day out of a weekend or a
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couple hours on a Sunday and go
talk to the coach or go talk to
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the league organizer and volunteer your time
to maybe be there for injury prevention or
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if somebody does go down the field
that you can try to handle that situation.
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But most sports chiropractors, and we
really are trying to grow out of
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working for free. But every sports
chiropractor that I'm doing it at a college
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level week and your across the gym, whatever it is, get your hands
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dirty, get in there, get
that experience, because you cannot learn those
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things in a classroom. Yes you
can learn the basics, but you're not
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going to get that experience in a
classroom. And that's really what it takes
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to move you to the next level
of being a sports chiropractor is how much
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experience do you have what sets you
apart from other people? How much work
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are you putting into it from your
side, right, And that's the thing
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it's with sports chiropractic. Nothing's ever
really given to you. You really have
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to like claw for everything, which
is what's part of the fun, you
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know what I mean. So even
when I'm going in the world where I'm
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still paying to get there, I'm
not paying to I'm not being paid to
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be there. So it's I do
it because that's what I absolutely love to
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do. And so it's the same
thing when I'm working local events. It's
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the same thing when I'm working events
on the nationals. Oh absolutely, I
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mean well, and I love to
call it the learn it or earn it
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principle, right, So to become
the doc that you want to be,
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there's a portion of it that's learning, and that's the education piece, that's
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your certifications, that's your additional education
beyond your basic degree. But then there's
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also the earn it side where you
have to volunteer those events, you have
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to work those sidelines, you have
to get your hands on athletes and get
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that experience. So in terms of
your learn it peace and your learn it
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side. What type of courses did
you take outside of chiropractic school, both
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as a student and then as a
dock that prepared you to become a true
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sports chiropractor and work with athletes.
Yeah, so when I was a student,
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I didn't want to pay for right, Like it was hard because I
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was traveling a lot as a student
to different seminar argument steps, so I
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didn't really have a lot of extra
money to be paying for classes and class
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Same thing with Factor. I brought
Factor to TCC way back in the day
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and I got to take that class
for free. Same thing with board preparation
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classes, Like I was the one
who encouraged all of my classmates to sign
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up for these courses and then I
got to take them for free. So
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doing those little extra things it really
benefited me because I got to take all
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these classes I wouldn't have been able
to take beforehand that really prepared me for
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things that I do on a daily
basis. So those are the two big
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ones. And then of course rock
tape was really big in school, and
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so learning just those different things to
like a soft tissue technique, and then
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a bunch of different taping techniques were
really great. And then when I got
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out of school, I started doing
a dry needling course, or I started
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taking different taping courses or dynamic tape
and just different things like that. And
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so you really do get to learn
in what you're doing with these athletes,
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and ego has to be checked at
the door. Yeah, that's the biggest
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thing sports chiropractors for is because a
vast, vast majority of them are very
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humble, They're very open to learn. Even some of my mentors, some
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of the people that I've looked up
to my entire career, They're always open
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to learn. They are never of
the mind where I know better than you
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because I've been doing this for a
long time. That kind of attitude and
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ego has no place in sports chiropractic, let alone chiropractic in general. And
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so lifelong learning is a huge part. There's always something new to learn.
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It's a soft tissue technique, whether
it's the reef has been a little bad
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at it. But the first probably
five or six years of my career,
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I was doing triple and quadruple the
number of CEUs required for my licensure because
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I wanted to learn as much as
I could, and so that and now
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having dealt with COVID and now everything
is virtual and you have these opportunities to
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take these classes without the cost of
traveling. So important not to get bogged
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down in everyday life that you're still
willing to learn. Oh yeah, that's
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a big part of it. Yeah, no, absolutely, And what's kind
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of you can get your hands on
well, and what's kind of cool is
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this whole factor webinar series was started
out of COVID. So twenty twenty happened.
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Docs were quarantine and having to close
their doors, and we as a
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team had to step back and be
like, Okay, how can we still
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continue helping them learn and still continue
helping course instructors get their material out there
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when we can't be in person,
and when your practice is at a standstill,
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you don't necessarily want to pay a
lot for CE courses. So that's
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how they'ved amazing things within the profession. But they're the most humble people you
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will ever meet, and have a
great love and a desire to help the
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next generation and to help connect people. Absolutely wrapping up a bit because I
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know we're getting close to our one
hour mark. I have a few different
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rapid fire questions. I'd like to
ask you. There's some things that we
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ask everyone we come on. Tell
me a little bit about what's in your
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practice treatment tool kit, what do
you use, what are your in office
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go tos? And then what are
your things that you take with you out
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in the field. Yeah, so
I would say the two soft tissue treatments
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that I utilize the most in my
office are cupping and dry needling, both
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for very different reasons. I still
utilize instrument assisted soft tissue mobilization every once
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in a while, and I do
some manual stuff. My hyper volt runs
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out of very every single bit,
the biggest thing in my office. And
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then when I go to an event
or go sideline, obviously I usually can't
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take my needles with me because it's
not in our scope everywhere, and cuts
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are kind of cumbersome to take with
me, So I always have a factor
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tool in my kit. And then
I do have the hyper vote Go,
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which is the travel size hyperbole that
I take with me. Between you and
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I, I end up using it
more on myself than anyone else, after
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being on my feet and treating athletes
a lot. But when I'm working events
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I do mostly manual stuffs, so
mild fashial release or fashal manipulation, things
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like that, so that your hands
and your manual skills will always be your
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most important things to work on.
But I try to utilize as much as
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I can, and then of course
I take quite a bit when I'm working
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events as well. Events. When
I was working up in Montana and I
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was terrified one day that somebody was
going to break a leg and I was
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going to freak out and not know
what the heck to do, because even
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though we took emergency procedures classes in
school, and I took an emergency procedures
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class in my ccscation, it wasn't
enough. I still didn't feel comfortable everything
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within the abstract. There wasn't a
whole lot of hands on that came with
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it. And so when I that's
why I did my EMT. I don't
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ever want to be caught off guard, and so that's been huge for me,
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so assessment anytime you can learn that
I did an SFMA class and I
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don't utilize it every day in my
practice, but there are parts of it
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that stick in my brain a lot
that I see a lot in pattern so
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that's a big part of it as
well. But you can't assess your patient
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quickly, efficiently and confidently. So
of the classes you took in chiropractic school,
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which ones do you use most in
your daily practice? I know that's
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kind of thinking. Yeah, No, adjusting for sure, adjusting all four
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parts of adjusting ortho obviously because examination
a lot of orthos rehab soft tissue of
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course, does that should be really
high up there, and then probably I
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mean obviously anatomy, And I would
say the other one would be like differential
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diagnosis. Yes, I don't.
I don't do imaging in my office.
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I used to when I was up
in mont so I would utilize a lot
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of imaging interpretation. But since I
don't do that really now, I don't
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utilize it as much as I used
to. But I don't. I don't
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think that would necessarily be appropriate for
this audio. But one of them I
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have ends money when I'm relaxing.
But what I'm reading business development wise is
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a book by jobs Well called The
Leadership Handbook, And so I'm always trying
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to grow my abilities. Absolutely.
I love that and I think that's important
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too. As you were talking about
earlier, you're continually learning, so whether
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that's developing yourself as a professional,
as a leader, or clinically, all
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of those are very important. And
then finally, what c classes are you
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looking forward to taking next year?
What's on your list? Oh? What
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is on my list? While I
still have a few more for this year
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to be able to make it to
one of their classes, but they're always
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so love to take my dry needling
and get a little bit more advanced in
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my dry needling considering, and I
would love to get into DNS or my
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probably one of the given for Jonathan
Wilhelm he's been doing keep talking to me
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about it, and I'm I've wanted
to do it for a couple of years,
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but it hasn't been a priority.
So I definitely want to get more
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butt more acclimated with rehab and those
assessments in the developmental stages of life and
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what people can work on in order
to get those things, because that's a
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huge thing. When people lose the
developmental movement, it tends to hinder a
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lot of other things. So absolutely, well, awesome, thank you so
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much for being on today again.
I really appreciate it. It's been a
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great conversation. For having me.
I think you've given some really great advice
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and information for the next generation or
even for docs that have been out there
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for a while. Of course,
thanks so much. Thank you again,
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doctor Stark. Thank you. That's
it for today's episode. Be sure to
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Hi guys, Welcome to a new
episode of The Factor podcast. I'm your
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host Jessica Riddle. If this is
your first time tuning in, welcome and
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thanks for listening. In today's episode, we're taking a bit of a detour
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from our typical training format to bring
you a special Q and a discussion.
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Today we'll be chatting with doctor Shay
Stark in a segment titled sports Chiropractic Encouraging
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female leadership in a male dominated profession. From treating on the sidelines to serving
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on the governing boards for some of
the world's leading sports medicine organizations. In
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recent years, we've seen a huge
uptick of female leadership within sports chiropractic,
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but there is still so much more
to be done to encourage the next generation
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to continue to lean into opportunities and
step into leadership positions when they're presented.
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And who better to have this discussion
with than doctor Shay Stark, former President
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of the ACA Sports Council, current
North American Representative for the International Federation of
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Sports Chiropractic and member of the Medical
Commission for USA Cheerleading. A graduate of
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Texas Chiropractic College, doctor Shay Stark
began getting involved in leadership and service positions
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within professional organizations while she was still
a student in chiropractic school. She took
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advantage of every opportunity to learn and
build her network. We'll touch a little
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bit today on what she learned from
these experiences and discuss the ways that being
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intentional about building her network while still
in school served as a catalyst that continues
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to open doors to this day.
In this fascinating conversation, we will chat
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about doctor Stark's journey and pursuing her
career in sports chiropractic. We'll talk about
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the importance of manual skills in treating
on the sidelines and take a little peek
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behind the curtain to learn what it
takes to travel the world treating high performance
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athletes. As a fellow female entrepreneur, I had a ton of fun with
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this discussion. My hope is that
this serves as inspiration and provides some actionable
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tips for students or new practitioners who
are still seeking direction and purpose on their
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next steps. And while this is
a bit of a shorter episode than most,
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I think you'll find great value in
learning from doctor Stark's story and finding
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out what has led her to where
she is today. Now, full disclosure,
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some of our audio is not the
best. On this particular episode,
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we were utilizing zoom and sometimes connection
was a bit spotty. Obviously in the
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post production and editing we have cleaned
it up as much as humanly possible.
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But I still think there's so much
valuable content in this episode that I wanted
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to publish this, even with a
little bit of the audio challenges. So
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that being said, pull up a
seat, let's cue the intro music and
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dive right in. What are you
involved in now? I know you recently
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have made up a significant move back
down to Yes. So after almost six
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years up in Bozeman, Montana,
I decided to move back to Houston and
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I opened my own practice. So
I've been going for just over two years
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now in my own practice. So
that's a lot of time and energy.
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But I, as you said,
I also hold leadership positions within sports chiropractic,
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and I have been able to blessed
really to be able to do my
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real passion, which is travel to
treat athletes fellow the world. So I
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was in Barcelona a couple of weeks
ago for actually for board meetings. So
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I wasn't treating athletes, but I
have a really wonderful opportunity coming up.
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First taste of kickboxing. I was
in your solo Italy for the Kickboxing World
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Championships, and so I'm happy.
I'm really excited to be going back and
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hopefully see some of the athletes that
I worked on last year do some really
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great things of the European Championships.
So oh, that's phenomenal. Yeah,
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that is amazing. And I know
you were recently at World Games as well,
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is that correct, Tarness? I
was. Yeah, so I was
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part of the fifty four chiropractic delegation
of the World Game along with someone you
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know really well, that's actually where
he came up with this brilliant idea to
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get me on to chat with everybody. So yeah, the World Games is
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phenomenal. Yeah, awesome. Well, I am very excited to kind of
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chat today. And I mentioned earlier
You've had kind of a very long journey
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within sports chiropractics, so i'd love
Pike and then eighth grade. I moved
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from Houston to Phoenix, and so
when I was in Phoenix, I got
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really the involved was playing volleyball and
I kind of dropped everything else and started
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focusing on playing volleyball. My sophomore
year, I started playing year round,
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So I was playing club volleyball year
round all the time, and I got
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a scholarship to a junior college in
Northern Arizona. Yeah, so I went
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and played volleyball in Northern Arizona and
Preps Gate actually for a couple of years,
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and then got recrough at All Division
one year in Greensboro, North Carolina
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called North Carolina A and T State
University, and I played volleyball there for
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the final two years of my four
year eligibility. Well, because I transferred
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schools, I wasn't able to complete
my bachelor's in four years, so I
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had another year that I had to
go to school, and funny enough,
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my senior year playing volleyball, we
did our team bondings and I was finished
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with my eligibility playing volleyball. But
one of the girls on the bowling unfortunately
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had to lead school for health reasons
and they were short a person, and
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so the bowling coach was talking to
the volleyball coach about it and she's like,
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well, why don't you try out, Shay. We did this team
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bonnie thing and she seemed to know
what she was doing. And so I
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tried out for a bowling team and
I made it, and so I spent
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the second half of my first senior
year, I guess on the bowling team,
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and then the entire next year.
So with the NC DOUBLEA, you
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get four years of eligibility in one
sport or five years and two sports.
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So then I was able to be
a two sport athlete volleyball and bowling at
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the Division one level, which is
pretty amazing to me. Oh yeah,
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absolutely, it's incredible. Yeah,
and then I realized that I realized that
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after a year and a half budget
level, I was way better of a
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bowler than I ever was a volleyball
player. Stuck on that route, But
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here we are. It's fine.
Oh that's amazing. So remind me to
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never go on a team building and
met with an even a bowling alley.
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You will. It's funny because this
is always the question, right, how
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did you get into chiropractic? And
I wish I could say, man,
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I had this really amazing chiropractor that
changed my life. Unfortunately that's not the
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case. I had no idea what
chiropractic was until after I graduated from undergrad
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so I never grew going to a
chiropractor. Even playing at a Division one
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university, there wasn't a chiropractor around. I wasn't ever even talked about.
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I'd never heard of it, no
idea what it was. And so the
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med team that I dealt with was
primarily athletic chairs and because of the extent
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of my injuries with the exurgeons,
a lot of people therapists. Okay,
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so that was pretty beginning and end
of my sports medicine team, which is
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ultimately why I became a chiropractor.
So after I had graduate or undergrad excuse
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me, I want to be just
like a family provider of sports med doc
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whatever. And I met and was
speaking with this chiropractor and she kind of
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explained to me what it was,
and I was just completely blown away.
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I was like, how have I
never heard of this before? This is
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so crazy. And so I went
back to Greensboro and I found a sports
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chiropractor, and I was also looking
at potentially being a physician's assistant as well.
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So I was kind of up in
the air, and I called the
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physician's assistant for my sergeant's office,
and I called this chi her called me
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back. The chiropractor did, and
so I went and shadowed him. The
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very first day. I was like, this is it like I've done.
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It was like a light sirens going
off, like this is amazing, this
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is exactly what I want. That
was the direction I took. I didn't
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really look back. I didn't really
look any other opportunities. I was like,
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that's exactly what I want to be
doing. And so then I started
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the hunt for how does one go? Really, I probably could have done
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my due diligence. A look,
I don't regret going there at all.
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I have an absolute amazing time.
I had a great experience. It was
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just that was I kind of had
blinders on and I was like, all
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right, well I'm going home and
so made that decision and oh that's amazing.
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Well, and I think oftentimes speaking
to docs over the years, location
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does really factor into it when it
comes to where they decide to pursue their
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education. And likewise, I'm curious
to hear like what that sports chiropractor told
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you. That was like, okay, this is for me, Like I
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really like what he's doing, I
really like how this practice runs, or
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I really like the fact that he
gets to work with athletes, Like,
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for you, did you always want
to be a sports chiropractor once you had
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that exposure to one, or did
you ever consider other specialties within chiropractor.
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No, sports chiropractic was pretty much
it. I knew, even before I
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knew what chiropractic was, that I
wanted to be in sports medicine. Given
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my I miss playing time every single
season because of some injury. I always
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look back right hindsights twenty twenty,
so I'm like, well, had I
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had access to chiropractic or knew what
chiropractic was back then, maybe my body
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would be in better shape than it
is now. But then I also think
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everything that's happened to me along my
chiropractic career has happened when it was supposed
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to happen. Everything has worked out
the way it was supposed to work out,
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which is funny. And now,
especially being having a new practice and
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everything, I lived by that faith
where I'm like, Okay, stressed out
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about this, It'll work itself out. It always does, and that's always
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just shown me this is what I'm
supposed to be doing. And I think
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that that faith and that knowledge that
I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing,
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is why I'm so passionate about service
to my profession. So it all
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kind of love it both circles.
Yeah, Now, when you entered chiro
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in medical school, right, However, I didn't realize when I decided to
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go and transfer to the school in
North Carolina that their biology program was geared
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towards research. It was not pre
med and so even though I was I
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was taking biochem and organic chemistry and
the chemistries and things like that that I
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needed to take. Biology majors were
not allowed to register for human anatomy classes,
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which sounds really funny. Yeah.
Instead, instead we had to take
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a comparative vertebrate anatomy class, which
was every vertebrate except humans. Oh yeah,
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I was so strange. And so
when I actually graduated from undergrad and
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I was planning on going to school
to medical school, even this is before
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I decided against that, I knew
I had to go back and take these
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anatomy and physiology classes in order to
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But I did complete those before I
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biology program we were in was really
geared towards research. So it was a
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lot of statistics, a lot of
microbiologies and things like that that we take
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in chiropractic school two but aren't really
geared towards what we what we do necessarily.
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So yeah, I mean, I
have a bachelor's in biology, but
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it didn't really it wasn't it wasn't
the pre med route. It was like
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a more of a PhD research route. Gotcha? Okay? Yeah, Now
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let's talk a little bit about your
time at TCC from trimester one on.
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Did you try to look for opportunities
to get in front of athletes, work
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with teams, volunteer, Like what
did you do above a year to apply
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to medical school? So one year
turned into two years and I was working
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and I had a good job and
I was enjoying it. And then when
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I found out what chiropractic was,
and I decided to go that route and
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I moved back to Houston. I
had to defer chiropractic school for two years
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because I ended up injuring my other
need and had three through it, had
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three knee surgeries within a year,
and I ended up in rehab for like
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a full two years trying to trying
to recover from these injuries. And so
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it ended up differing chiropractic school for
two years, and then I was like,
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okay, I need to go.
If I don't go back soon,
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it's just going to be that much
easier for me not to go. So
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then I gave my lawyer a couple
of months notice and I said, look,
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I'm going back to school. And
so when I started chiropractic school,
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I was a few probably about five
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also working part time from home,
and I was doing some other things.
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So I was juggling a lot of
stuff when I was going through chiropractic school.
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But I think those extra few years
motivated me a little bit more to
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focus on what happened next. So
it was really important to me early on
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in my chiropractic school education that I
started networking and meeting chirop actors as early
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as possible, right. And I
remember some of my classmates asking you,
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like, why are you doing all
of these things? Like it doesn't like
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how do you have time to do
all these things? And I was like,
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it's a priority for me. I
was like, for me, it
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wasn't my top priority to make straight
a's in chiropractic school. I was like,
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I was working, I had a
life, like I had other things.
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I had bills today it's death,
and I had an I had a
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going to what's now called Engage with
ACA, and I was traveling to Washington,
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DC to lobby on Capitol Hill on
behalf of chiropractic. So I did
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that all three years I was in
chiropractic school, and it really did show
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me the importance of being an ACA
member, of supporting that organization and driving
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chiropractic forward as a profession. Right, And we got hit so much with
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the lawsuits that the AA was trying
to eradicate chiropractic with and just all of
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these things. And when you look
back at it, yeah, chiropractic became
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a thing went in like eighteen ninety
five, but it was in the seventies
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when chiropractic was still illegal in some
states. And so that really hit me
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hit home for me because I'm like, man, this is profession as a
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whole, was one of them.
And so because of that, I ended
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up sitting for two years as the
vice president of our SACA chapter. Well
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then I knew that I wanted to
be in sports medicine, so we didn't
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really have a sports council per se. It was kind of started by a
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couple of guys in the try ahead
of me, and so I kind of
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worked with them to get it up
and running. And so then I started
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going to the ACA Sports Council symposiums
as a student. So I went all
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three years as a student. My
first one was in Scottsdale in twenty twelve,
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and then New Jersey in twenty thirteen, and then Portland in twenty fourteen.
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So I kind of worked my way
to all of those and those were
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really important for me to meet sports
chiropractors, right, to meet people who
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are doing what I want to do
and so yes, so that was huge.
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And then after my first year going
to the ACA Sports Council Symposium in
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Scottsdale, I met a female sports
chiropractor and a first class that was with
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my clinic requirements. I got to
do two preceptorships and I really got to
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get out there and see what was
there. And I didn't have to worry
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about what am I going to do
when I graduate because I could have gone
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anywhere and I had a lot of
opportunities when I graduated and so for me
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that was the most important thing.
That effort well, and it's so important
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and meeting people, getting to know
chiropractors within the profession was so instrumental because
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then when you it does come time
to graduate, have your pick. You
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have some choices, and you put
in the time, you volunteered, you
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showed up so that they have a
better idea of who you are as a
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professional, even though you're not a
licensed chiropractor yet they have an idea of
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what type of professional, what type
of employee you would be exactly. Yeah,
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I love that preparation for the future. Yeah, absolutely so in terms
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of the leadership roles that you've served
on, you know, especially those as
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a student, and even now,
do you feel like there's a gap when
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it comes to women taking these leadership
roles? Do you feel like there's some
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work to be done in that respect
or insight could you get from that standpoint.
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It's interesting because when I was a
student with Sports Council specific sports chiropractic,
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and I think that's really what guided
me to continue with the organization was
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here are these women who are not
only excelling as a sports chiropractor, but
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they're also leading this national organization of
other sports chiropractors, and so it really
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gave me the motivation work organization.
My first year out of school, one
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of the female presidents contacted me and
she said, Hey, would you want
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to would you be interested in stepping
in as our secretary? And I'm like,
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well, I'm just a year out
of school, like I don't even
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know what the heck I'm doing yet, and she goes, you know what,
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your experience on our student board I
think has really groomed you for this
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opportunity. I think it would be
really important for you to do this.
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And I'm like okay, And so
I stepped on the board and I served
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a year as secretary, and then
I served a year as second vice president,
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and then I served a year as
first vice president, and then I
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ran unopposed for president and I spent
two years as president of this organization.
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And I have the distinct their mentors
to me. And so now just finishing
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of the ostivation. And so it's
so great to see now we have just
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as many, if not maybe one
or two more females on our national executive
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board than males, and so it's
really awesome to be working with these women
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who are empowered sports chiropractors. So
for me as a sport like as a
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female chiropractor, a lot of people
just assume that you're going to be pediatrics
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and pregnancy, which is fine.
I know a lot of women who specialize
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in pediatrics and pregnancy, but I
wasn't really interested in that so much.
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As a student, I knew sports
Cadison was for me just given my background,
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and it was really important for me
to protect the next generation of athletes
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some things that I had to experience
as an athlete, and so that was
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That's what really what drives me as
an a as a sports chiropractor is I've
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been there, I've been that athlete, and I want to be that and
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so nationally, at least from my
perspective dealing with the organization, the Sports
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Council, we have a lot of
strong female sports chiropractors and so I think
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that's very empowering, even for the
next generation. I think even our student
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board is all female right now,
which is amazing. And so just knowing
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that the next generation of sports chiropractors
are going to be strongly emile, or
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a large portion of them female,
I think that's wonderful because we have our
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own perspectives. There are a lot
of things that I can do as a
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female sports chiropractor that my male counterpart
wouldn't be able to do just because of
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kind of how things are in society
nowadays. Right, So I think it's
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it's almost beneficial for me being a
female. Somebody uncomfortable, somebody in an
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awkward position. So so I'm just
really proud of sports chiropractic as a special
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female But then when you look at
sports chiropractic, it's also the fastest growing
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specialty within chiropractic. Yeah, so
I think it's really phenomenal to see a
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profession that is on the whole male
dominant having female leaders within sports chiropractic.
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And you're right, there is definitely
some benefits, especially when it comes to
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treating female athletes, and we know
the statistics about females and their injury for
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certain sports versus males. So I
think that's that's a phenomenal step forward.
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So what advice would you give then
to students or new docs that are looking
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to get involved, that are wanting
to volunteer or possibly serve. Are there
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committees they can get involved in,
like how do they start, how do
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they get linked into these things?
Yeah, absolutely, there's quite a few
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things actually, So a lot of
pools have and those opportunities may come from
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that from the involvement in that club, because most of those clubs have a
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faculty advisor who is a sports chiropractor
or somebody who is interested in sports chiropractic
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and are trying to make those connections. Local events may be able to teach
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you check or teach you how to
tape or something cool like that that goes
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a little bit above and beyond your
education. So my first piece of advice
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is always getting involved in a club
at school. And then the second thing
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would be the ACA Sports Council does
have student membership, and so being a
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student member of the ACA Sports Council
allows you to kind of tap into those
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potential events and educational opportunities on a
national level. You get to connect with
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like minded students at different campuses across
the country. So that would my second
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piece of advice is look into getting
involved in sports council on the national level.
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And like I said, fix is
kind of for students who are they
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be able to be there and kind
of experience that. So early, so
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those opportunities are there as well.
And then my other thing is look for
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those local opportunities. Right, So
for TCC students specifically we live in Houston,
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Like there's races and they're supporting events
all the time. If there's the
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local soccer teams or they'll pop Warner
football or anything like that. Volunteer,
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you know what I mean. Take
a day out of a weekend or a
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couple hours on a Sunday and go
talk to the coach or go talk to
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the league organizer and volunteer your time
to maybe be there for injury prevention or
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if somebody does go down the field
that you can try to handle that situation.
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But most sports chiropractors, and we
really are trying to grow out of
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working for free. But every sports
chiropractor that I'm doing it at a college
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level week and your across the gym, whatever it is, get your hands
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dirty, get in there, get
that experience, because you cannot learn those
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things in a classroom. Yes you
can learn the basics, but you're not
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going to get that experience in a
classroom. And that's really what it takes
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to move you to the next level
of being a sports chiropractor is how much
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experience do you have what sets you
apart from other people? How much work
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are you putting into it from your
side, right, And that's the thing
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it's with sports chiropractic. Nothing's ever
really given to you. You really have
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to like claw for everything, which
is what's part of the fun, you
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know what I mean. So even
when I'm going in the world where I'm
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still paying to get there, I'm
not paying to I'm not being paid to
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be there. So it's I do
it because that's what I absolutely love to
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do. And so it's the same
thing when I'm working local events. It's
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the same thing when I'm working events
on the nationals. Oh absolutely, I
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mean well, and I love to
call it the learn it or earn it
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principle, right, So to become
the doc that you want to be,
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there's a portion of it that's learning, and that's the education piece, that's
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your certifications, that's your additional education
beyond your basic degree. But then there's
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also the earn it side where you
have to volunteer those events, you have
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to work those sidelines, you have
to get your hands on athletes and get
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that experience. So in terms of
your learn it peace and your learn it
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side. What type of courses did
you take outside of chiropractic school, both
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as a student and then as a
dock that prepared you to become a true
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sports chiropractor and work with athletes.
Yeah, so when I was a student,
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I didn't want to pay for right, Like it was hard because I
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was traveling a lot as a student
to different seminar argument steps, so I
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didn't really have a lot of extra
money to be paying for classes and class
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Same thing with Factor. I brought
Factor to TCC way back in the day
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and I got to take that class
for free. Same thing with board preparation
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classes, Like I was the one
who encouraged all of my classmates to sign
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up for these courses and then I
got to take them for free. So
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doing those little extra things it really
benefited me because I got to take all
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these classes I wouldn't have been able
to take beforehand that really prepared me for
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things that I do on a daily
basis. So those are the two big
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ones. And then of course rock
tape was really big in school, and
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so learning just those different things to
like a soft tissue technique, and then
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a bunch of different taping techniques were
really great. And then when I got
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out of school, I started doing
a dry needling course, or I started
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taking different taping courses or dynamic tape
and just different things like that. And
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so you really do get to learn
in what you're doing with these athletes,
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and ego has to be checked at
the door. Yeah, that's the biggest
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thing sports chiropractors for is because a
vast, vast majority of them are very
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humble, They're very open to learn. Even some of my mentors, some
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of the people that I've looked up
to my entire career, They're always open
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to learn. They are never of
the mind where I know better than you
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because I've been doing this for a
long time. That kind of attitude and
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ego has no place in sports chiropractic, let alone chiropractic in general. And
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so lifelong learning is a huge part. There's always something new to learn.
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It's a soft tissue technique, whether
it's the reef has been a little bad
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at it. But the first probably
five or six years of my career,
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I was doing triple and quadruple the
number of CEUs required for my licensure because
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I wanted to learn as much as
I could, and so that and now
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having dealt with COVID and now everything
is virtual and you have these opportunities to
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take these classes without the cost of
traveling. So important not to get bogged
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down in everyday life that you're still
willing to learn. Oh yeah, that's
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a big part of it. Yeah, no, absolutely, And what's kind
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of you can get your hands on
well, and what's kind of cool is
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this whole factor webinar series was started
out of COVID. So twenty twenty happened.
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Docs were quarantine and having to close
their doors, and we as a
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team had to step back and be
like, Okay, how can we still
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continue helping them learn and still continue
helping course instructors get their material out there
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when we can't be in person,
and when your practice is at a standstill,
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you don't necessarily want to pay a
lot for CE courses. So that's
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how they'ved amazing things within the profession. But they're the most humble people you
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will ever meet, and have a
great love and a desire to help the
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next generation and to help connect people. Absolutely wrapping up a bit because I
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know we're getting close to our one
hour mark. I have a few different
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rapid fire questions. I'd like to
ask you. There's some things that we
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ask everyone we come on. Tell
me a little bit about what's in your
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practice treatment tool kit, what do
you use, what are your in office
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go tos? And then what are
your things that you take with you out
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in the field. Yeah, so
I would say the two soft tissue treatments
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that I utilize the most in my
office are cupping and dry needling, both
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for very different reasons. I still
utilize instrument assisted soft tissue mobilization every once
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in a while, and I do
some manual stuff. My hyper volt runs
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out of very every single bit,
the biggest thing in my office. And
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then when I go to an event
or go sideline, obviously I usually can't
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take my needles with me because it's
not in our scope everywhere, and cuts
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are kind of cumbersome to take with
me, So I always have a factor
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tool in my kit. And then
I do have the hyper vote Go,
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which is the travel size hyperbole that
I take with me. Between you and
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I, I end up using it
more on myself than anyone else, after
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being on my feet and treating athletes
a lot. But when I'm working events
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I do mostly manual stuffs, so
mild fashial release or fashal manipulation, things
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like that, so that your hands
and your manual skills will always be your
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most important things to work on.
But I try to utilize as much as
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I can, and then of course
I take quite a bit when I'm working
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events as well. Events. When
I was working up in Montana and I
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was terrified one day that somebody was
going to break a leg and I was
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going to freak out and not know
what the heck to do, because even
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though we took emergency procedures classes in
school, and I took an emergency procedures
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class in my ccscation, it wasn't
enough. I still didn't feel comfortable everything
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within the abstract. There wasn't a
whole lot of hands on that came with
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it. And so when I that's
why I did my EMT. I don't
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ever want to be caught off guard, and so that's been huge for me,
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so assessment anytime you can learn that
I did an SFMA class and I
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don't utilize it every day in my
practice, but there are parts of it
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that stick in my brain a lot
that I see a lot in pattern so
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that's a big part of it as
well. But you can't assess your patient
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quickly, efficiently and confidently. So
of the classes you took in chiropractic school,
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which ones do you use most in
your daily practice? I know that's
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kind of thinking. Yeah, No, adjusting for sure, adjusting all four
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parts of adjusting ortho obviously because examination
a lot of orthos rehab soft tissue of
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course, does that should be really
high up there, and then probably I
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mean obviously anatomy, And I would
say the other one would be like differential
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diagnosis. Yes, I don't.
I don't do imaging in my office.
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I used to when I was up
in mont so I would utilize a lot
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of imaging interpretation. But since I
don't do that really now, I don't
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utilize it as much as I used
to. But I don't. I don't
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think that would necessarily be appropriate for
this audio. But one of them I
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have ends money when I'm relaxing.
But what I'm reading business development wise is
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a book by jobs Well called The
Leadership Handbook, And so I'm always trying
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to grow my abilities. Absolutely.
I love that and I think that's important
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too. As you were talking about
earlier, you're continually learning, so whether
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that's developing yourself as a professional,
as a leader, or clinically, all
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of those are very important. And
then finally, what c classes are you
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looking forward to taking next year?
What's on your list? Oh? What
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is on my list? While I
still have a few more for this year
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to be able to make it to
one of their classes, but they're always
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so love to take my dry needling
and get a little bit more advanced in
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my dry needling considering, and I
would love to get into DNS or my
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probably one of the given for Jonathan
Wilhelm he's been doing keep talking to me
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about it, and I'm I've wanted
to do it for a couple of years,
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but it hasn't been a priority.
So I definitely want to get more
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butt more acclimated with rehab and those
assessments in the developmental stages of life and
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what people can work on in order
to get those things, because that's a
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huge thing. When people lose the
developmental movement, it tends to hinder a
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lot of other things. So absolutely, well, awesome, thank you so
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much for being on today again.
I really appreciate it. It's been a
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great conversation. For having me.
I think you've given some really great advice
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and information for the next generation or
even for docs that have been out there
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for a while. Of course,
thanks so much. Thank you again,
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doctor Stark. Thank you. That's
it for today's episode. Be sure to
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