Dawson Church | Rewiring the Brain for Joy

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In meditation studies, researchers find that your neurotransmitters, hormones, and
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genes change within a few moments of beginning an effective
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deep meditation practice. Now, don't talk about a superficial, occasional practice.
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I'm talking about using a really effective form of meditation
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and the ones that I know both you and I
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really recommend the ones that have you in your body.
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So you're doing a body based form of meditation and
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it affects these things immediately in your body.
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Welcome to the Radical Responsibility Podcast. I'm doctor Fleet Mala,
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and I'm excited to guide you on a journey of
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authentic transformation. In each episode, I'll bring you insights from
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If you ever wondered why some people are able to
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transform traumatic experiences and actually emerge more resilient, even more
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joyful in the end. In this episode, I sit down
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with my dear friend and colleague, doctor Dawson Church, a
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pioneering researcher and best selling author in the fields of epigenetics, neuroscience,
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and energy psychology. Dawson shares his own powerful journey from
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chronic low level anxiety to living in a life fuel
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by joy, purpose, and inner peace. We explore how meditation
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and evidence based energy practices like EFT, Emotional Freedom Technique
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or ATTACK can rewire the brain, regulate emotions, and unlock
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deep healing. Whether you're navigating daily stress or recovering from
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deep adversity, you'll find practical tools and propound insights to
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help you transform from the inside out. Let's dive in
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Miname is doctor Fleet Mall your co host for this session,
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and I'm thrilled to be here today. Were longtime colleague
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and friend, Dr Dawson Church. Welcome.
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Be a joy to join you for this.
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As always, I've been looking forward to it. I really
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enjoy our conversations always so Dawson. I wonder if you
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could share maybe a pivotal time in your life when
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you were beset with some level of fear and anxiety
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and how you respond to that or perhaps how that
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events shaped the future of your work in some way.
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You know, you send me a list of questions in
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advance fleet, and I decided when I read that first question,
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you'd ask me to tell you something that I never
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showed before with people. Bet that might make it apparent
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how we can move out of those patterns of her
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and anxiety into happiness, joy and a whole different life.
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And I have no memories from the first roughy twelve
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years of my life. I maybe one of two memories,
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and the reason is because they were pretty much hell.
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It was just more adaptive to dissociate and block the
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mountain forget they ever happened, than it was to remember them.
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So I mean, there were a few things that I
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do remember, and they were not good. I remember, you know,
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my going to kindergarten, and one of my few memories
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is walking through the snow in Colorado Springs and dragging
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my feet and watching the marks on the snow with
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an absolute sick dread in my stomach at the thought
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of going there, probably getting bullied, having the wrong accent
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and not that he in. So that was my early life.
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And then when I did begin to have memories, I
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often had bad ones, and I wound up having low
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level anxiet virtually my whole adult life. And so I
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want to just say this because maybe those of you
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who are listening, maybe many of you have low level anxiety,
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and you might say, well, I'm not walking around in
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a state of you know, just nail biting, screaming terror
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the whole time. Well, it's just low level anxiety. A
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study in the British Medical Journal of twelve thousand people
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over eight years found that low level anxiety resulted in
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a significantly reduced risk of all cause mortality dying from
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all causes low level anxiety, not high anxiety or major
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depressive disorder. So I want to challenge you. If you have,
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like I had most of my adult life, low level anxiety,
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go work with it. Listen to the tools on this summit,
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and do some work on it, because you don't want
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to carry it around with you. One day I woke up,
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I don't know how old I was, in my forties
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or fifties, and I've been doing such intense work. I've
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been involved in spirituality and psychology for so many decades
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of that, and they woke up and realized I don't
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have it anymore. And that was a wonderful day to
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realize that knowing sense of something's wrong, something bad might happen.
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When will the other shoe drop? Just in the background
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all the time, even into good times, part of you
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is worried about that. It's sucking your resources, it's sucking
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your longevity. It's so powerful to deal with that and
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then live this life where that old feeling is just
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not there anymore. So that's my sad story and how
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I'm not there anymore.
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And that's the happy part of the story. So I
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wonderfully to start with, maybe you could share a little
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bit about your understanding of your anxiety fear. Of course,
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there's intelligence and fear, and as part of our biology,
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it keeps us alive. But then it can be overactive
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and really get in our way. And anxiety we can
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talk about mental anxiety, emotional anxiety, if physical anxiety can
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be really become physical sometimes people you know, when if
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somebody's telling their anxiety is in their mind or it's
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like cological to saying, no, I feel it my body,
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this is physical, right, And then you know you mentioned
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a low level anxiety. I think there's maybe a different
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kind of low level anxiety sometimes that I think people
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even get in touch with sometimes in meditation, when they
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really settle and get really still, there's like a low
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level hum going on there, which may be a kind
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of almost an existential anxiety because of the fragility of
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a kind of created self narrative that is really created,
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and we try to create some place to live that's
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really not totally connected with the ground of our being,
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which is much deeper in that. So there's all these
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different forms of anxiety, and what if you could say
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something about your understanding about anxiety before we move on
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to talking about how to work with it.
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One of the mistakes we make in our culture in
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dealing with our bodies, in our concepts of physical and
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emotional is thinking that mental health labels and diagnoses lack
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anxiety and depression, are mental the role mind, and then
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that physical diseases like pain, like symptoms are physical and
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there is a sharp divide between the two. So you
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have a mental issue like anxiety, you go up and
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see a psychiatrist or a psychologist or a psychotherapist. You
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have a physical issue like a symptom or pain, go
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and see an MD, a doctor and what you soon
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realize when you're studying the biology of how we work
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is that divide is completely made up, imaginary and not true.
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And for example, I've done several clinical trials of cortisol,
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and we see people's cortisol shift remarkably dramatically quickly when
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they get triggered. When you get triggered, when you get
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when you feel bad, when you think a negative thought,
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even we see your cortisol level rise, your noturop an effort,
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your adrenaline level rises. So those thoughts of anxiety, those
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negative ideas, they're not real. You're thinking about something that
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happened maybe twenty five years ago. I was thinking about
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walking to the school through the snow. And if you
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have a rise in emotional triggering, that translates directly into
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molecules in your body. You're making more norpineffront and you're
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that's sending it a signal through the HbA access to
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your renal glands, and they start to pump out these neurochemicals,
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and those chemicals degrade your body, They reduce your health span,
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they shorten your life. Now I'm leaning forward, I'm saying
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this with all the gravity I can because I want
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you to really get this that these mental problems are
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not just mental. They are affecting your nervous system. They're
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affecting your hormones, your neurotransmitters, and those neurotransmitters and hormones
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travel to every single cell in your body, so you're
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degrading the function of your entire body. People with hype
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cortisol tend to die a lot sooner than those with
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low cortisol or with normal cortisol and who are able
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to control and have good emotion rates relation. So I
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really want to make sure you understand that what you
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think of as the psychological problem isn't just psychological. It's
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having dramatic effects on your body in the short term
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long term. Recently released study from the VA A massive
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long term study looked at the difference in longevity in
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lifespan between people with good mental and physical habits and
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those with poor ones. And they compare the two groups
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massive groups, massive long term study comparing the two groups,
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one with poor mental physical habits, one with good ones.
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The difference in lifespan was twenty four years. So I
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don't think you can afford the luxury of one negative thought.
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I mean you could afford a few a day, but
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I would just encourage you to do all the things
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that fleet you're recommending here, that you meditate, you develop
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your spiritual intelligence. The title of my newest book, It
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has dramatic effects on your body and the short term
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right away by suppressing the production of those adverse neurotransmitters
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and hormones, and then if changes gene expression, you have
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much more of the positive ones. That translates over years
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to a much different picture in terms of health span
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and lifestan.
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Well, we're kind of going into my second question already
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there with some of the neuroscience and the neurophysiology around
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stress and anxiety and working with it. Near book Bliss Brain,
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you talked about how we can literally rewire our brain.
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The title is someone is rewiring fear anxiety. We can
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rewire our brain, reshape the neural architecture and support appealing
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and thriving and so forth. In that book you also
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get into the neurochemistry of the brain and even talk
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about the Bliss molecule, which is kind of the other
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extreme perhaps from fear and anxiety. But I wonder if
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you could talk about further about that and how we
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have the potential to change that neurochemistry and their neural architecture,
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and we can cultivate that as a temporary state with
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lots of different practices eft, mennititation, many different things. But
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then how we move shapes to traits in a lasting
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way where we're actually reshaping the brain and we're going
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to have more of a baseline of a more sort
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of positive neurochemical mix or neurotransmitter mix, and we're going
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to have a baseline of less fear and anxiety. So
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I wonder if you could talk about that whole process.
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Yeah, and there are short term things that change and
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there are long term things that can change. So you meditate,
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and that shifts hormones, neurotransmitters, genes in your body really quickly.
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In meditation studies, researchers find that your neurotransmitters, hormones, and
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genes change within a few moments of beginning an effective
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deep meditation practice. Now I'm not talking about a superficial,
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occasional practice. I'm talking about using a really effective form
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of meditation. And the ones that I know both you
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and I really recommend the ones that have you in
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your body so you're doing a body based form of meditation,
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and it affects these things immediately in your body. It
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then starts to produce medium term effects. And what it
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does is it triggers the development of certain neural bundles,
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and so neurons that fire together wire together. You're firing
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these neural bundles. Now you're wiring those neural bundles, and
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certain circuits in your brain are getting bigger and in
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spiritual intelligence. Identify four of those in chapter one, and
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these were discovered by Richard Davidson's team using MRI studies
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of monks, and they find that the circuit for emotion
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regulation KICKSON incredibly important circuit if you can regulate fear, depression, anxiety, stress,
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if you have a lot of neurons in that circuit.
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And again this circuit is big. In accomplished meditators, you
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can regulate all of those emotions. So emotion regulation is
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absolutely vital, and that circuit gets bigger in people who
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meditate in the opposite end of the spectrum, people who
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are depressed, who are suffering from major depressive disorder. That
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neural structure is called the ventromedial prefital cortex, so I
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explain all of these structures in spiritual intelligence and why
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they're important to know. But that ventromedial prefital cortex actually,
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in depressed patients, shrieks and signals start to run from
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the emotional brain to the executive brain instead of the
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way it's meant to go in the other direction. So
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people with strong emotional regulation, they feel annoyance, they feel fear,
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they feel stress, But with that emotional control knob of
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ventromedial prefiinal cortex, they dial those emotions down. In depressed patients,
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with those fibers running in the wrong direction and being
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small and afraid, the emotional brain takes over, and now
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we feel pissed off, and the emotional brain says to
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the executive centers, I'm feeling pissed off. Make up something,
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invent something for me to be pissed off about, And
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so sets the thinking brain off on the trailer looking
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for reasons to be miserable. And that's the way that
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circuit works in people who are not stabilizing emotional regulation.
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is to do with dialing down our narcissistic obsession with self?
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the other three circuits that David's discovered in which I
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really develop in spiritual intelligence. But you want to have
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those abilities, and when you do that, fleet research shows
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that those parts of the brain grow how much how
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fast One of the circuits that coordinates emotion regulation brain wide,
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in one study grew ten percent a month. That it
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means in two months it's twenty percent bigger. Now you
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have much better ability to regulate negative emotions that you
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do it even sixty days before. So that's the amazing
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gift neuroscience gives us. It shows us which meditations are
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most effective and how quickly our brain is remodeling itself
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when we apply those in science.
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Another perhaps more simplistic way of looking at that is,
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you know, it's completely normal that we have challenging emotions
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and sometimes we get upset about things, are fearfuller. But
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in the free frontal cortex, in the neural architecture you
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are describing, there's some of these neural circuits they can
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kind of act someone like breaks, So that you know,
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we make it upset, but then we don't need to
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stay upset. They naturally go offline. Whereas when those are weak,
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when that neural circuitry is weak, we remain upset. We
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can be chronically upset and have propensity to be upset
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and so forth, or faster upset or and all those
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kind of things. I wonder if you could make a distinction,
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describing it and suppos Oh.
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What a fantastic question. Yeah, so emotional suppression. There are
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other ways of coping a dysfunctional, maladaptive ways of coping,
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like emotional suppression, like spiritual bypassing, like association. My dear
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friend Roland mccrdie, who's the research director at Heartmath, he
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says most meditation is dissociation. He has a dim view
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of a lot of us meditators because he says, we're
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just associating. And it is possible for meditation to become
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a way of detaching yourself from a difficult reality and
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moving your const to somewhere else where the unfortunate thing
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is not happening. So there are those ways of using
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meditation that way, or meditative styles that will make it
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easier for you to associate or do one of those
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other coping strategies. So you need to have a meditation
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method that allows you to feel that. And that's why
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some of the ancient techniques like tongue len are so valuable,
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because you aren't pushing feelings away, you're actually feeling them.
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What we see in the studies of monks is really
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interesting in terms of emotion, and what we see is
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that they actually feel the chaos of the world, the
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anguish of life, the emotional impact of bad things, as
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much as average person and actually more. But something happens
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in their brains when they feel it. And the typical
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way these experiments are set up is that the monk
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is hooked up to an EEG measuring their brain activity
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in one room in a lab in another room, out
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of sight of the monk but within earshot, the researchers
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play a recording of a child screening in distress, which
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is a sound that the human brain is evolutionarily wired
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to respond to. And what they find is when the
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monk hears that sound, the monk's anxiety stress circuit kick
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on faster than the average human being. They get more
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stressed than the average Joe. This is how can this speed?
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I mean, if their emotional regulation is so good, why
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are they getting more stressed more quickly? Why are those
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circuits coming online more. What happens next is so interesting.
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Brain activity shifts from those areas of the brain to
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what's called the task positive network, which has to do
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with doing tasks. And so they're shifting from oh, there's
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a negative thing happening to how can I help? What
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can I do? So it's not like we become like
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there's a famous scene in Star Trek and mister Spuck
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is talking to Scotty, the doctor who's always emotional, and
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Spuck Nimoy Spuck says, abandon emotion, acquire logic. So we're
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not doing that. We're not squashing our emotions, we're not
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saying abandon them. And these Tibetan monks are more compassionate.
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They feel the pain of the world worse than the
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average person does, but their brain activity shifts right away
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into turning on the positive network and saying what can
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I do to help? So that's how we become with
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these spiritual practices. Do I still get sad when my
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friend dies? I do Am I still empathetic when my
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wife and my child and my grandchild is sick. Absolutely?
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Do I feel emotionally touched and moved by the suffering
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we see in the world around us. Absolutely? And what
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do I do? I go on and I start the
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veteran stress Solution. I set up a network of contacts
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to go train therapists in Ukraine. So now we're getting
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these techniques to people who are suffering. There, I go
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do stuff. And so that's how we find the brain works.
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Are we like mister Spock, No, we are not. We're
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more like doctor McCoy or whatever his name was bones,
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they are linked in terms of brain activation very very
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quickly to how can I help? What can I do?
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What practical steps can I do to alleviate the suffering
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not just in that person in Ukraine, but in my
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own body and my own internal system. So that's the
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nuance that we find when we look at the brain
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research here.
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brain shifts into altruistic mode like what can I do,
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and we get that focus, and then when we actually
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start doing things. We actually get neurochemical rewards for being
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in an altimistic position. You get dopamine release and other
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neurotransmitters that are actually positive for the brain. You mentioned
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before the importance of is both you and I teach
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an embodied approach to meditation. And again this points to
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that because when we're in the body, we're more in
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touch with our emotions, because we experience emotions in the body,
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and we're more likely to pick up on, you know,
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emotions that are suller level and feelings that are soler level,
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and be with them, be experiencing them. Instead of ignoring
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our mo they are suppressing emotions and then getting hijacked
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by them when they get strong enough, right, they kind
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of ambush us.
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get flooded and you get overwhelmed by it. And so
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you learn regulation to where before that happens, you spot
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the pattern and you can then use that emotion regulation
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network to downregulate it. The other super cool thing about
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having a big ventromedial prefilebal cortex. Now you build this
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emotion control knob. It's dialing down negative emotion. It's not
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denying it. It's not associating. It's simply taking the volume
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and saying, Okay, I heard you. I don't need you
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to be screaming at me so loud. The other really
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cool thing that happens is when you learn to do that,
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when you have that emotion regulation capability, you learn at
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a certain point to turn the volume control knob in
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the opposite direction. So like mango season right now, and
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my wife and I are eating a lot of mangoes,
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and so I taste the mango, and I taste this
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delicious fluid in my mouth of the fruit of this
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perfectly ripe mango, and I dial up the volume. Or
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I'm hugging my sun and I feel this wonderful energy
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of connection because my sons are enormously long huggers. They
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just hold you there and they smother you with love
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for five minutes. I love that about them. And then
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I dial up the positive emotion. Or I see the
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sunset and I stare at the sunsets and now I'm
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filling my life with gratitude and awe, joy and dining
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up all of his emotions. So after a while, you
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are just using this searchery in your brain to downregulate
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negative emotions. You're grabbing the emotional control of of ventromedial
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prefial cortex and dialing up the positive ones. Now you're
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in meditation, you're feeling pretty good, and you find yourself
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entering ecstasy. Somebody vishoka sorrowless joy in Sanskrit, these extraordinary
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states in spiritual intelligence. I use a lot of Sanskrit
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terms because in English we don't even have words for
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that level of happiness that they have. In Sanskrit, we
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have words for a couple of states like joy and happiness,
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but in Sanskrit they are words like vishoka and ananda.
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We don't even have equivalents in English for So you
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find yourself entering these ecstatic states are joy when you're
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in meditation, and then again you are able to dial
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up positive emotion, and then you start to rewire your
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brain for that positive emotion. You then are able to
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handle more of it, and you find your capacity is
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growing as you fire those circuits, they wire together, and
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you find yourself becoming not just not acxious anymore, Like
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I'm not just walking around the world and saying thank goodness,
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I dodged a bullet and I no longer have low
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level anxiety. I'm walking around and say, look at those azaleas,
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for self leadership, for self regulation, for emotion regulation, that
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we can really get much more in a driver's eat
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our own life. And of course it is important to
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experience all of our emotions. There's wisdom and all of
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our emotions and challenging ones as well as the positive ones.
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kinds of healing benefits and then positive benefits for our
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physical health and wellbeing, our mental and emotional health and
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well being, and our spiritual evolutions. So it makes you know,
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even though you know the spiritual editions, in some way
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we're trained to be with life as it is. But
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at the same time, there is a little bit of
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a benefit of leaning into spending time in positive mental
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emotional states is actually good for us.
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first began writing Spiritual Intelligence in twenty nineteen, there was
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a book vertty much about mystical states. I then had
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to actually throw out many of the early sections of
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the book and rewrite them because I discovered how biological
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they are, how neurological they are, and so what I
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was amazed to edify us these four circuits in the
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brain which work together. So the emotion regulation circuit, the
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selfing narcissism regulation circuit, the attention circuit, and the empathy
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circuit all work together in what's called the enlightenment network.
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And you start to turn on the enlightenment network over
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and over again, and then after a while you aren't
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just finding its active in meditation. It starts to be
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active in everyday life. But the reason I have to
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rewrite the book was that it turned out that these
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awakening experiences are strongly coded in our biology. It's possible
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for us to have them because we have that enlightenment
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network in the brain. And the beautiful thing about this
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is everyone has the enlightenment network. It's just that you
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have to be in a space to turn it on
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to experience its effects on your life. If you're stressed,
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it suppresses it, and the two work together like a
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teeter tartar. So if you turn on the enlightenment network,
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it suppresses the stress network. If you get stressed, it
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suppresses the enlightenment network, and the two of them function
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together in this inverse relationship and flee. The tragedy is
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that I see people. I talk to people sometimes and
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they're in high stress all the time. They're in high
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stress inappropriately, there's nothing that's really wrong with their lives,
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and they're functioning like they were in Jurassic Park being
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chased by t rex I mean, it's just crazy how
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people are so stressing themselves when there's nothing actually immediately wrong.
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relatively safe and secure, they have enough money to survive on,
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and they're still so stressed. We're not meant to be
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that way. We're meant to lower the stress, raise the
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enlightenment network, have these magical experiences, and then make those
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choices for ourselves. And then you do that and you
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develop that way of being, so after a while, this
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becomes your new normal, and now you are just feeding
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this bliss and joy and Ananda and Vashoka in meditation.
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trial at MRI study, we found that people after thirty days,
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they were just in elevated states during meditation. We used
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MRIs to measure their brains and found that they were
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in elevated states when they weren't in meditation after thirty
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days of practice. So after a while, this becomes your
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new normal. Your brain starts to reset itself. And now
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this radiant joy and light. Isn't this something you're experiencing meditation.
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You're walking down the road doing your shopping and you
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feel it. You're picking up your kid from school and
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you feel it. You're grocery shopping, you're at the doctor's
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office and you feel this incredible joy and light just
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radiating out from you. And we see that progression and
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potagally talks about this in the Yogo Sutras. Other people
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talk about it in other studies, that the light, the joy,
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the love starts to become prevalent not just inside of you,
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but all around you. And so now that starts to
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affect the way you are with other people. You're more compassionate,
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you're more loving, you're more tune, you're more kind, and
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then your whole life changes and you're having an impact
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of the world around you.
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And I love what you said about it becomes your
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new normal because in the same way. Many people don't
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realize how stress has become normalized in their lives, and
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whatever kind of neurochemical mix we have in the brain
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will get used to it. It has a momentum, almost
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an addiction, if you will, and we'll keep seeking that.
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You know, if we're not feeling enough stress, we'll seek
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us source stress because that has become our normal. So
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we have to shift that. We can use various tools
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and practices to shift that, and over time it can
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become a new baseline. So I'd like to talk about
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one of the tools that you're well known for doing
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research on and teaching, and that is EFT or emotional
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freedom technique or what's known as tappened. And I wonder
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if you could talk about that as a tool for
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transforming pere and anxiety into the kind of thriving that
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you're talking about.
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Yeah, I appreciate the question, because you need both stress
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reduction and you need a way of reaching higher states.
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So meditation has been around for tens of thousands of years.
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We now began to map the neuroscience of it and
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we begin to refine meditation in ways that allow us
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to reach those highest states really quickly. It's no longer
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going into the monastery for ten years, it's no longer
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ten thousand hours. Now with neuroscience based approaches in spiritual intelligence,
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I show how we can start to enter those states
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really really fast, sometimes with the right approach during the
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first meditation, but certainly within thirty days, certainly within sixty days.
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So we need that. But stress reduction is equally important
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because if you can't relax your stress, it's to sabotage
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your meditation practice. You're closing your eyes. You're seeking to
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enter these states of oneness with you all it is.
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And when you close your eyes, when you sit quietly,
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your mind is flooded. If you're stressed with all the
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bad stuff in your life or maybe not terrible tragedies,
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but certainly with your to do list or your shopping list,
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or all of your other habits and behaviors and conditioning.
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So those things are going to take you away out
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of heaven and pull you back down into your old
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ways of being. And so EFT is superb at stress reduction,
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and we take people who are stressed. In one woman,
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for example, I worked with her at a big eating
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disorders conference and there were all these hundreds of eating
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disorders professionals in the audience watching, and I worked with
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her on stage, and she was terribly traumatized from child
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of abuse. Her mother had left her abusive father and
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they were living. She and her younger brother were living
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with her mother's boyfriend, and one day, one night, her
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father burst through the door, knocked the door down, stormed in,
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grabbed her and her brother, punched the boyfriend, mother's boyfriend
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in the face, those blood everywhere, grabbed the two kids,
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put them under his arms, ran out into his pickup trot,
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drove off with them, and they didn't see their mother
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for a long time. So this was a chattering life event.
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She remembers the blood and the screaming and the terror
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of it all. And so what do you do with this?
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How do you work with somebody like this? Is trying
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to meditate, and she can't meditate. She can't enter these
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states because she has a whole lot of trauma from
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her childhood. She's now also the way, by the way,
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a psychiatrist running a psychiatry division for a major hospital chain.
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So here she has been an old professional life trying
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to get away from old childhood and cant So it's
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hard to enter and sustain those states while you have
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a childhood trauma. So that's where I use empty tapping
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and we go clear all of that early childhoodself. That's
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how I reduced my own low level anxiety by lots
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and lots of acupressure tapping stimulation, using eft of these
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acupressure points, and it's just incredibly effective. We take somebody
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from that high anxiety down to low level anxiety, and
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then how anxiety go away, very very quickly off. But
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then minutes and I tapped with that woman and we
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tapped on the blood, we tapped on the screaming, we
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tapped on her father carrying them away, We tapped on
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the violence of the event, and her emotional triggering went
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way down, and suddenly she's calm, And I asked her
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to tell the story again, and she begins telling the story,
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and she suddenly says, oh, my goodness, I just remembered
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my father came and grabbed us because my mother's boyfriend
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was sexually abusing my younger brother, and my father was
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getting us out of the situation. Suddenly, a whole different
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perspective emerges, A whole other level of healing comes into
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the picture we're tapping on that, we're finding the real issue.
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There are more tears, there are more realizations, and eventually
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she leaves the session and she's calm around her her childhood.
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So it's incredibly effective at relieving big tea traumas, small
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t traumas. Many of us may not have been abused,
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but we certainly had our fair share being misunderstood, not
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being paid attention to poor attunement with the adults around us,
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And so we can tap on all of this stuff
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and then that brings us our level down. We're now
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using it with as children in Ukraine, they're traumatized by
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the sirens, so school teachers are tapping with kids to
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reduce their fear they're triggering around sirens. We've tapped with
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a lot of Rwandan genocide victims and found their levels
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of triggering around terrible events of the genocide has been
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dramatically reduced. We've done with school shooting victims, teachers, other kids,
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community members, and seen again they're trauma shift radically. Parents
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have written about this. It's rechanged those situations. So, yeah,
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you need stress reduction in the full of VFT as
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well as meditation.
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Yes, and this addresses the whole relationship between trauma and
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anxiety and EFT as I understand it would be in
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a realm of energy psychology, energy medicine. There are mortalities
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like EMDR and reiki and various kind of inner energy
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work things that had to do with the Meridians that
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are recognized in acupuncture and acupressure and so forth. And
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it's amazing what you said before that you know, we
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tend to think that mental issues and mental issues, and
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a boy of the separate he realize that it's all interconnected,
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that there's many different portals to through which to do
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the healing work right. We can enter physically, emotionally, and
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cognitively in different ways.
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I know.
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One of the applications that you're renowned for with DFT
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tapping is your work with veterans, and these are veterans
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experiencing relatively extreme levels of PTSD coming back from combat
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and Afghanistan and Iraq and other places. I wonder if
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you could talk about that work a little bit.
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Yeah, And around a third of veterans who return from
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combat zones get diagnosed with PTSD, and two million Americans
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served in the Middle East wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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So that's a lot of people, at sort of half
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a million people with either diagnosed or undiagnosed PTSD. And
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so we started the Veterans Stress Solution in two thousand
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and seven because at that point the VA was just
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not interested. In fact, we had a VA director at
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that time who was completely dug in against energy therapies.
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And again I can see their point of view because
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they're psychiatrists, so they're thinking, well, medication and psychotherapy and
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how an energy changing energy shift these traumatic patterns. So
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we didn't get warm reception. I was thrown out of
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a few offices in Washington, DC when I was first
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presenting it there. But eventually we got a foot in
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the door. I was invited to testify before the house
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Hold that Security Committee of the said Armed Services Committee,
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So we had put at the door and were able
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to eventually get EFT approved by the VA. So now
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it's in the system. Kaiser Promenente eventually had us right
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guidelines with the treatment of Veterans with PTSD, in which
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we recommend ten one hour treatment sessions. And that's the
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miracle that we have. Now we're these science based tools
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we bring somebody in with flashbacks, with nightmares, maybe it's
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had them since the Vietnam War all those years ago,
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decades ago, and we sit that veteran down, we tap
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with that person and within ten sessions, often within two
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or three sessions, they're approving. Within ten sessions, the flashbacks
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to gone, the nightmares are gone, the hypervigilance is gone,
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and they get their lives back again. So it's powerful
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to do that. It's now more and more in the system.
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I got a phone call a couple of years ago
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and it was a VA hospital saying will you train
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our clinicians? And then that is a breakthrough moment where
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now at EF Universe we're being asked to actually train
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clinicians inside the VA in EFT. And now we had
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access to these wonderful tools, not just outside the system
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through the Better and Stress Solution nonprofit, we also have
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access betterans of access to them inside the system. They
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can tap with their psychiatrist or nurse or whoever's doing
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it there. And that's really what we need. We need
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to see energy therapies Raking. As you mentioned earlier, EMDR
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fantastic therapy a lot like PFT. EFT is self help
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EMDR is therapy psychotherapy and it's very useful to have both.
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We need these things in the system. We need to
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go to your doctor for pain. You need to have
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the information shared with you as it is on the
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Kiser permanentad website on the National Health Service website in
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the UK, that you can use EFT here the instructions.
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Use this for your pain and see what happens. We
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need these approaches to pain. Pain diminished, which is by
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two thirds when you tap and use the FT. Now,
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if you do that first, now you go to your doctor.
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They treat you for the remaining one third that's physiologically based.
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They are trying to treat you for the two thirds,
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the sixty percent that is emotionally or spritually based. So
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that's why we need these therapies to be accessible to
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patients and part of frontline medical care.
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Dawso, before we finish today, I want to invite you
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to lead a session of your ecomeditation in which you
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integrate a number of these different body mind skills and practices.
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But before that, I wonder if you could talk a
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little bit about you know, a certainly fear as part
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of our biology. It keeps us alive, and it has
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its place, and as I mentioned before, it can become
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debilitating if it becomes too much, and maybe a certain
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level of anxiety as part of our biology as well,
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it is pretty well baked into us. How can we
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leverage this aspect of our biology and whatever level of
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pre and anxiety that's just kind of we're going to experience,
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whether we like it or not, if we're alive in
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a body in this world. How can we leverage that
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for further healing, for transformation, for thriving, for spiritual evolution.
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How can we instead of saying, oh, that's a bad thing,
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I want to get rid of it. And we certainly
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don't want levels that are debilitating, so we have to
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find ways to get things to a workable level. But
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then how can we leverage it for growth and even
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maybe some of the root traumas that are behind all
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of it, leverage those for what's called post traumatic growth.
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And this is the research showing that two thirds of
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people who undergo a traumatic event actually experience post traumatic growth.
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Only one third experienced post traumatic stress. So it's more normal,
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more natural actually to have a time of growth after
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a trauma and make meaning of it. And find a
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way of moving through it. So you want to find
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ways of doing that with the traumas in your life
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and re examine them, rested your assumptions, tap to release them.
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And then when you release your stress around the event,
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often you will shift your meaning around it. And so
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for example, one man I wrote with and his father
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had beat him many many times when he was a child.
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One time, when he was eight years old, his father
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hit him so hard that he broke the boy's jaw.
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So we tapped on that event again a history of
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childd abuse, this terrible event with breaking his jaw. We
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tapped on that using active pressure. He's eft and his
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triggering went down to a zero. Wasn't triggered when he
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did that tapping. When his triggering went down to a zero,
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he then said, you know, even though my father hit me,
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the amount and intensity of my dad's abuse of me
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was nothing compared to the way his father abused him.
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So suddenly this man is flipping the narrative. He is
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suddenly having compassion on the perpetrator, is realizing that his
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father was abused much worse, and his father actually had
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learned enough restraint to not abuse him as badly as
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his grandfather abused his father. So people's world views shift.
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And that's an example of when a trauma starts to
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become an actual fuel for growth, we'll fight for it
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for interesting people will tap will clear a lot of
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the wounding of their past, and then they'll see it very,
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very differently, Like that psychiatrist to realize that her father
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bursting in, punching the boyfriend and dragging all of his
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pickup truck actually was getting the brother out of a
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sexual abuse situation. So people flip the narrative. They then
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start to see their lives differently and in a much
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more positive light. And when it comes to physical disease,
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often when like just for example, I have a clinical
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trial now of cancer survivors that we're working with, and
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often these cancer survivors are using even their cancer as
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a a propelling themselves into new levels of spiritual growth
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and astounds me how they can use a tragic diagnosis
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like cancer to do that. So, whether it's emotional abuse,
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whether it's a physical diagnosis, it's possible to move yourself
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and shift your perspective and so invite you as you're
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sharing with Pete and I here to re examine, question
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your old narratives. If you stay stuck in them, stuck
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in that story of victimization, stuck in that old behavioral pattern,
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then you're just gonna maintain it. You can shift that
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by facing it again, as Fleet was emphasizing, you know,
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to associate, you know, do spiritual bypassing, you face it
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and you tap. Now you're shifting all of those patterns,
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shifting the energy with energy psychology, and then you move
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into a new narrative about the tragedies of your past,
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and then you can enter those ecstatic states of some
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modi blists of awakening, and now you aren't being sabotaged
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or sucked back down by the traumas of your past.
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So it's completely possible for you to do that and
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now revision even the bad things that happened to you
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as ways in which that you can be guided into
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that new level of understanding self love and having a
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much better life afterwards. And that's really what we're going
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to encourage you to do.
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You know, just listening to j Austin, I'm just feeling, how,
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you know, having tools to affect that kind of feeling,
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to shift our experience of past traumas to release stress
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to move into more positive states of thriving. How empowering
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that is to feel like, oh, I can use these
761
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tools to do that, and that is all positive momentum.
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I'm going to ask you again to lead us in
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something at this moment. One final question. So one you
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know speculative theory I have about tapping in similar modalities
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is that you know, when we are experiencing when we
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have a history of trauma of what at whatever level,
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and when we have any kind of pervasive pearings. So
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we can think of these as kind of stuck patterns
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of dysregulation right in the nervous system, in the brain
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and so forth, And they have their own momentum to
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kind of stuctors and accompanying neurochemical mix that we can
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get addicted to and so forth. So it's a bit
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of a stuck situation of dysregulation, which is not helpful
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in our lives. And some of these practices, I think,
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if you will, maybe they act kind of as a
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pattern interrupt so we can experience because there is even
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if we have that going on, there's an underlying deeper, harmonious,
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well regulated or naturally regulated depth of our being that
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if we can reconnect with that, then all the healing
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can happen, right, so that that stuckness is not ultimate.
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It's sitting on top of, or maybe suppressing or blocking
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that underlying depth of harmonious regulation and thriving and even
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pure consciousness. So I'm wondering if some of these practices
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kind of act as a pattern interrupt to then let
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us reconnect with something deeper that then has all this
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potential for healing and thriving.
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Yeah, we have to up those old patterns because if
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we don't re reinforce them again, yours that fire together,
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the wire together. And so what are you reinforcing right now?
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With every thought you take? Ask yourself? Am I reinforcing
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the good, the kind, the loving, the compassionate, the positive
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in my life? Or am I building neural capacity for stress?
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And how can I disrupt that? Eft is a great
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way to do it. Breathing is a great way to
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do it. Time and nature is a great way to
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do it. Social connection is a great way to do it.
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There are a great many ways you can do the
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pattern interrupt, but do the patent interrupt. And it's a
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really powerful insight to realize there's that substrate of well being,
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and when we start to get in touch with that,
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we realize it's always there. There are wonderful stories about
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how people realize that the universe has always been there
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for them, and they realize that when they get out
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on those panic ridden states, they realize there is the
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arms of God are always holding them. In one analogy,
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and one of the physiological ways in which God is
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cradling us is our enlightenment network. In our brain, you
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have these four distinct circuits. You have a attention circuit.
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You have an emotion regulation circuit. You have that selfing
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suppression circuit. You have the compassion circuit. Just turn it on.
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It's not like you have to go somewhere and find
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it or buy it or develop it or grow it.
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It's right there. It's a large part of the neural
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mass of your brain. And if you turn it on,
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you'll find it's there, and then you have it. You've
816
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had the physiological the biology for those elemated states already.
817
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As you experiencing them more and more, that those neural
818
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mass grows in those four circuits, and that's a self
819
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reinforcing loop. It's a positive upward spiral. You feel better,
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so you're motivated to do more of what makes you
821
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feel better. You feel better still, you keep inspiraling upward.
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In one of my books, Bis Brain, I ask myself,
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I thought, well, you know it's an upward spiral. You
824
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feel better, you do more these good practices, you feel better. Still,
825
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is there an upper limit? Is there a ceiling you reach?
826
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When you feel as good as possible? You can't possibly
827
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doughty higher. So I looked at some of the cool
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research on long term meditators, and it finds their brains
829
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keep on growing in advanced old ages. Their pleasure centers
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are still growing. Their amigdalas are actually shrinking. We find
831
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shrinkage of the imigla. In stress people, the amygdala gets bigger.
832
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In chill people, the amigla gets smaller. We still have
833
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an amagicala. We can still respond to a threat if
834
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there is one, But we're changing our brains and then
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we are in touch with, as you put it, that substrate.
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We've done the pattern interrupt using this effective therapy. Now
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we feel that substrate of well being. And I'm going
838
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to tell you when you start to feel this fundamental
839
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well being in your life, in your gut in your
840
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body like now, word that low level anxiety used to
841
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be in my gut every day. Every day I felt
842
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that sinking feeling in my gut that I did when
843
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I was a kid going to Horbard Elementary School in
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Colorado Springs and dragging my feet through the snow and
845
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feeding this absolute sick dread where they used to be
846
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sick dread living in my body. Now there's elation. I
847
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wake up in the morning, I just feel this wave
848
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of elation. I go to bed at night, I'm so
849
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absolutely filled with ecstasy. I just fall asleep in this
850
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wonderful state. My dreams are filled usually with kindness and
851
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goodness and fun, and I wake up there again. Before
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that low level anxiety, I thought nightmares were just what
853
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you had when you closed to eyes and went to bed,
854
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because I just had them my whole life. They went
855
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away at a certain point, and so they can for you. Two.
856
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That's the magic of brainy modeling. Now this isn't a mood,
857
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isn't just you feeling better. It's the biology. It's the
858
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hardware inside your head. You've turned on the Enlightenment network,
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as like splayed Chapter one of Spiritual Intelligence. Turn on
860
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the Enlightenment network, and now you had that as hardware
861
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in your brain. Resilience isn't just a isn't just a state,
862
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It's a trait. Happiness isn't the state, it's a trait.
863
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.079
You have this hardwired into your brain. No one can
864
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take it away from you, and it's always underlying whatever
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other experience you've had. So yeah, do that patter interrupt
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building circuits and your life changes dramatically.
867
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It's so wonderful to empowering to have this kind of clarity, right,
868
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you know, I mean, this is the most complex system
869
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in our universe. But also of us didn't get the
870
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operating manual when we're going through school, right, and now
871
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:43.880
it actually we have the operating manual if we're willing
872
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to start working with it. So would you lead us then,
873
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help us kind of begin to turn on maybe at
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least they're a brief antadoctive version of your eco meditation.
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Help us begin to turn on that Enlightenment network in
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the brain.
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Happily, we can do a very brief version, and the
878
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basic way of inducing state only takes five minutes. So
879
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I'll lead you into this for five minutes. We'll be
880
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in it for a couple of minutes and I'll lead
881
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you out of it, and that'll only be seven to
882
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nine minutes. But this will show you that you can
883
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very rapidly ship. And we're using physiology to do it.
884
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We're using studies, we're using evidence based techniques, and those
885
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.119
are what really work. So what you do first is
886
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I want you to think about something in the last
887
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.880
two weeks, an interpersonal interaction with somebody that bothered you,
888
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Like did you have a spat with your son or
889
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daughter in law or parent or someone at work. Think
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about some kind of interpersonal interaction happened with you and
891
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someone else. Maybe it'll a fight with somebody, a disagreement
892
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with somebody, somebody was mean to you, or it said
893
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a hurtful thing to you. So think about some kind
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00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.639
of interaction in the last two weeks that bothers you still.
895
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And I'll score it on a scale of zero to ten.
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And this is that gut check. Are you zero meaning
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no emotion around it? Are you with ten out of
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ten really emotionally triggered about it? While you are three
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of five to seven and nine four two? What's your number?
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So just give yourself a number, and give yourself just
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to one or two word description of this little movie
902
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that you play on the event in your head. So
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maybe the event is caol the bad performance review at works,
904
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So just performance review. Give it a movie title like that,
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and now you have number. You have a movie title,
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and we'll take it from there. So begin, eyes open.
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So before you close your eyes, open your eyes, think
908
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about the event and think about your movie title. And
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start by tapping on the side of your hand, right
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below the bow that anchors your little finger. This is
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one act of pressure point. Just tap there with a
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fingertips to the other hand and really focus on that event.
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And also knows you're breathing. You're okay. Now it's happened
914
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a week or two ago. We picked a weekon event deliberately.
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The event happened. Is not a fun event and you
916
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got through it. You're breathing right now. So notice you're
917
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breathing and think about the event. So you're thinking about
918
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the event. You're breathing, noticing your breathing. Why do you
919
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think about the event? And eyes open for the time being.
920
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Now tap on the top of your head, the very
921
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top of your head, breathing and thinking about the event
922
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and the title of the event. If this is a movie,
923
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what's the title. So it might be performance review, stepped
924
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on my foot, cattle fin traffic, long lines, screaming and yelling,
925
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whatever it might be. Focus on that, on the event,
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and notice you're breathing. Then notice you're basically okay, you survived.
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No tap where your eyebrow meets the ridge of your
928
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nose again, eyes open. Now the muradi out of your body,
929
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part of your energy system. You're going to regulate this.
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Feel your breath, think about the event. Breathe as deeply
931
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as possible as you reflect on the event. So again,
932
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we aren't dissociating, we're doing the opposite. We're really dramatizing
933
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the event. Tap on the side of your eye. This
934
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is the dull bladder merion, and you know it's your breathing.
935
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Think about the event. Not tap under the pupil of
936
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your eye, this time. Tap out of both pupils of
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your eyes, so both sides, both sides tapping. Thinking about
938
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the title of the event, whatever that title is for you.
939
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So we're not associating. We're lighting up all those neural
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bundles and we're calming them with energy regulation. Feel your breath,
941
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think about the event again. Now tap under your nose.
942
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Think about the worst part of the event. It's the
943
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worst element of the event. Think about your title of
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your event, your number. Notice your breathing. You're safe. Tap
945
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under your lower lip. You go through it. You survived,
946
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so it wasn't very pleasant, but you came out the
947
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other end. You're breathing. Now tap under your collar bones
948
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where they meet your breastbone. So right under your collar bones,
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that is your breathing. Think about the worst part of
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the event, and you're alive. You survived. Survive the worst
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part on this event. Think about the title of your
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event again. Cross your arms. Tap under your arms with
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the flat of your fingers. Breathe again deeply. This really
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just regulates your nervous system. To do this makes the
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fear parts of the brain calm way down. Then tap
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one more on the time in the side of your hand.
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Heel your breath again and now close your eyes. Stop tapping.
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Relax your hands, and notice the volume of space inside
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your feet so you breathe. Notice the volume of space
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between your eyes as you breathe, but notice the volume
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of space inside your tongue as you breathe, and relax
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your tongue completely on the floor of your mouth, and
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as you breathe, imagine your breath flowing in and out
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through your heart, through the center of your chest. And
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now slow your breathing down to six seconds per in
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breath and six seconds per out breath. Tongue relaxed on
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the floor of your mouth. Infin it's space between your eyes,
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breathing six seconds in, six seconds out. Three your heart
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breathing in six seconds, breathing out six seconds three, your heart,
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tongue relaxed on the floor of your mouth, infinite space
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between your eyes. Feel your heart energy in the center
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of your chest as you breathe through the area six
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seconds in and six seconds out. Bring to mind a
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being holds you in unconditional love. Who is it that
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holds you in unconditional love? This might be a say
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to spiritual master, an angel, guardian angel, an animal, pet, archetypal,
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mythological figure, being of unconditional love. And imagine the connection
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heart to heart with this being of unconditional love. And
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feel your body in how good it feels to connect
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with unconditional love as you breathe six seconds in and out.
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And I'll thank this being of unconditional love, and feel
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gratitude for the joy of having unconditional love in your life.
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And with the next three breaths, gradually start to return
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your attention back to the everyday world, to your environment,
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to what ever is around you right now. Notice the
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volume of space inside your feet, and feel your feet
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grounding you, connecting you to the earth, connect to the
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planet through your feet, grounding you in the real world,
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in everyday reality. Yes we have elevated internal states, and
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yes we ground ourselves in the material world through our feet.
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And with the next breath, open your eyes. Look around you.
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Notice the largest red object in your environment. What's the
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biggest red thing you can see? What's the smallest round
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object in your environment? What small round thing can you see?
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And come back fully to the present. And I'll think
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back to that annoying interpersonal interaction that happened in the
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last two weeks. And give yourself a number on the
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scale of zero through ten feet. I beats bold as
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to ask you what your numbers were a.
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Couple of weeks when it was going on a couple
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of weeks ago, it was up round eight or nine.
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I think as we began this meditation, it was around
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a four or five, and now it's hardly accessible.
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So did external reality change? No, still happened. It's still reality.
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We are suppressing or denying or dissociating. It's still the
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fact that the way we feel about it has changed.
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Now our cortisols down, are adrenalines down. Now we're no
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longer shortening our lives with negative thinking and high stress
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biochemistry on neural wirings. Calm down, And that's the gift
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of these practices. So we did that brief EFT tapping routine.
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We then died. Eco meditation, which incorporates it. Decom meditation
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is just a combination of a little bit of self hypnosis,
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heart coherence, open focused meditation, all these evidence based approaches.
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Do them altogether, though, and suddenly you feel really different.
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And all you done is mechanical body based in dimensions,
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and so that's why those are so powerful. That's not
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going to be all you'll ever do in meditation. You're
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going to find yourself traveling to elevated states. You'll turn
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on the enlightenment network I talk about in chapter one
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of Spiritual Intelligence. You'll activate that that, you will grow it.
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Then you will start to move into ecstasy. So that's
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all possible. It although begins with that regulation that we have,
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that stress reduction that then makes not the world change,
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but us change. And when we change internally, as Gandhi
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told us, as Martin Luther King told us, as others
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told us, as Ramin and Mahashi said, change internally becomes
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change in the world. So be the change you wish
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it to see.
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Oh wow, such powerful tools, Thank you so much, Sawson,
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to be able to you know, not escape from try
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to move around or biopath but they really be able
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to go directly into our experiences and find that transformation
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of our relationship to it that is so empowering and
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to so beautif and I know you offer various versions
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of this secon meditation on YouTube. People can easily find
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you guiding it for free on YouTube. Where else can
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people find it? More about your work?
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So yeah, e commditation is available all over the place
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for free. Just download a track, keep it on your phone,
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do it for thirty days. And that study we found
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anatomical brain change in just using it for a month solid,
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so you'll feel better the first time, that you'll feel
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great after a month, and your brain's then began to change.
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And then for my new book, Spiritual Intelligence that is
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just at Spiritual intelligencebook dot com. You can get a
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copy of the book there. You'll also get some bonuses
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like a video about those four hearts, those four circuits
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and the light network and other things as well. Also,
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when you read the book and get the book, follow
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the extended play resources of the end of each chapter.
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They're going to give you videos, scientific resources, premeditations, all
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kinds of goodies you get in the book at the
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end of each chapter. So that's all its Spiritual Intelligence
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Book dot com. That's a good starting point and then
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that will gradually open you. We have a whole ecosystem.
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We have hundreds of certified clinically EPP practitioners who can
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work with you on all kinds of common problems. They're experts,
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are trained to help both with trauma and help you
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reach elevated states. So a clinically empty practitioner is able
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to do that. But all of that can be accessed
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through Spiritual Intelligence Book dot com. Grab the book, download
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the first two chapters which are free on that Spiritual
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Intelligence book dot com site, and then go from there
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on your own journey. You'll be guided by your higher power,
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You'll be guided by the universe, will be guided by
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your heart and by your body once you begin the
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personal growth journey again, as I found looking at those studies,
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are people who have been doing it for decades. There's
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no endpoint, so vital spreshold ceiling. We've got this happy.
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You can't get it me happier. You just keep getting
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happier and happier. And that's my wish for you.
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Absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much, thous saying I look
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forward to access and those additional resources. I had a
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privilege of reading an advanced copy of Spiritual Intelligence and
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it's an amazing and really important book. I've had a
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pleasure of reading your other books as well, so I
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really encourage everyone already has to check out Dawson's many
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resources and a good place to start, obviously it's with
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Spiritual intelligencebook dot com. So thank you so much, Dawson.
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Wish you all the best, and really thank you so
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much for all you bring to the world.
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It's a joy to share a fleet, and I'm so
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grateful for the role you're playing and bring this to
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the world. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
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thank you.
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Thank you for joining me on the Radical Responsibility Podcast. Remember,
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real change happens when we commit to our growth, face
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our challenges with compassion, and stay open to transformation. If
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you found this episode helpful, I encourage you to subscribe
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and help us spread the message of healing and personal empowerment.
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Stay grounded, stay present, and stay true to you. Take
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care