Optimizing with AI: A Thought Partner, Not a Search Engine

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Welcome to the Optimizing Beyond podcast. I'm
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Josh Negron, and this show is all about sharing
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lessons, ideas, and strategies that sharpen your
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thinking, strengthen your habits, and push you
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to grow beyond comfort zones. Let's dive in.
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Welcome back to the show, and today I want to
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talk about AI. We can't talk about optimization
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without talking about AI. It is something that
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is... definitely helping people optimize and
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really scale their efforts and themselves in
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their abilities and do some incredible things.
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I myself, it's something that I use every day
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and I'll be honest, it's been a long time since
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I've had this much excitement around using a
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product every day and finding different use cases
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and ways to expand my thinking, challenge my
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thoughts, and also build and scale systems. So
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today I'd like to go over the main principles
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of the book, AI Driven Leader by Jeff Woods,
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and then go over the top ways that I use AI when
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I prompted ChatGBT and Claude, what are the most
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common things that I ask you to do and the things
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we collaborate on? Those answers were pretty
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interesting and we'll go through them together.
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I've not actually read them, so that'll be pretty
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fun. So let's get started. Now, Jeff has the
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biggest thing in his book that he talks about,
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the change of thinking of not how can I do this,
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But how can AI help me do this? This is a definite
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change in thinking because sometimes you get
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assigned a task or sometimes you have a responsibility
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or maybe it's something that you do only every
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month or every quarter or worse off every year.
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Those kinds of things are hard to remember and
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to automate. And so when you come back to these
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semi -regular tasks or maybe something you've
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never done before that you don't have a lot of
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awareness of. then AI can be a really helpful
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thought partner. That's the number one thing
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this book really, really focuses on, on using
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AI as a thought partner instead of just asking
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it really general questions because the less
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it knows... the less useful it can be in a way.
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So Jeff does a great job of talking about shifting
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the language about trying to create some kind
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of flywheel of awareness. So sometimes that means
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you might spend a little extra time prompting,
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but it's designed to help you spot opportunities
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that AI can provide high -level thinking instead
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of leaving you where you're at. Easiest way to
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put this is have you ever been stuck in a project,
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a task, or maybe even in high school or college
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that you were procrastinating because you didn't
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fully know how to complete the assignment. So
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you were just kind of stuck. So I find that AI
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is really useful in that way. So for example,
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I'll just let it know like this is what I'm supposed
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to do and I'm not really sure this is what I'm
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stuck on and kind of give it some details like
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that. And then I'll have it start to get me unstuck.
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And it's really, really helpful. And that feeds
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into the second technique that Jeff talks about
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in his book. And I think this is the number one
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thing that I use in almost all my prompts, unless
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I don't think it's very broad and I don't need
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to. And that is the reverse interview technique.
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Now, this is when you give it a prompt and then
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you ask it to ask you questions. Interview me
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with questions one at a time. I like to do one
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at a time instead of all at once because then
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it just poops out 10 questions or whatever. And
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then sometimes you're answering multiple questions
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or at least multiple dimensions of questions
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that one answer would have answered. So I find
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it's way more effective for both of you because
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if you answer number two a certain way, it likely
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wouldn't have asked you maybe question seven
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or question 10. So I'll give it the context of
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whatever I'm trying to say, give it the role,
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like I want you to act as whatever, this is what
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I'm trying to do, and then say, ask me 10 questions
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one at a time so that you can best do your job.
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And I find that that's a really easy way to prompt.
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And then it'll just start asking you those questions
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one at a time to give it the necessary context
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and information that's in here that it doesn't
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have. And so this makes it feel very similar
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to how you would... train a new employee that
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has no idea of the context of anything. And so
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it can ask some really relevant questions to
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things that might seem obvious to you, but those
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answers that you give it can be the difference
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between AI's response being absolute trash, useless,
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and a waste of your time to something that can
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really have a massive impact on what you're doing.
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The next thing Jeff talks about is focusing on
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areas of high impact. Like if you have your to
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-do list, or whatever you're responsible for,
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and identify what items are going to have the
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biggest impact. Maybe the things that are the
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toughest to do or that are going to have the
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biggest impact on your business or in your life.
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Tackle those first. So the whole idea of the
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Pareto Principle, what are the 20 % of things
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that are going to have 80 % of the impact? identify
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those cases, those goals, those things that you're
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trying to tackle. Maybe you're putting them off
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because they're too ambitious. You don't have
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time or those kinds of things. This is good things
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that AI can help you tackle. That's not to say
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that you can't use AI to help respond to emails
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and those kinds of things. Sometimes saving five
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to 10 minutes every day with things like that
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are useful. There's definitely use cases for
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that. But in this book, he is really trying to
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aim advice to leaders. to maximize their leadership
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and their abilities. And so naturally focusing
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on the 20 % that can have 80 % of the impact
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is massive. So don't hear me wrong. You can obviously
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use AI for really classic mundane things. Like
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if you're a Gmail user and you have Gemini, Gemini
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in that context is gonna understand a lot about
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your voice and how you respond to things. So
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you can easily use it to respond to emails quicker,
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get through the email triage and then get onto
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more useful tasks. So there's definitely some
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application for things that you can do low impact
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tasks with AI and what can you automate in that
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way. But I love Jeff's point in focusing on the
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20 % that affects 80 % because that's his advice
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in how a leader can scale. The next one is hiring
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or specifying a skeptical board member persona
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in your AI. The idea is that it's difficult to
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see your own blind spots when you're deep inside
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your business or in your life. And so Jeff talks
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about, you can't read the label from inside the
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box is one of his quotes. And so he suggests,
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using AI to act as a challenger or a skeptical
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board member, you have to specifically prompt
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AI to be this way. And even then, it still might
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be a little too much of an ego stroker. At ChatGBT,
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I feel like it's the worst at this. You can tell
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it to be direct and not stroke your ego, and
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it'll still be like, man, that is such a great
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question. You're like, oh my gosh, stop. But
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some of the prompts that you can give it is to
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say something like, act as an aggressive, growth
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-minded board member and challenge my assumptions
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and tell me where this plan might fail. And you
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can really expand this. I have a mentor who has
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taught her mastermind group to employ an entire
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board of people. So I've done this with my ChatGPT
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account and my Gemini account. And I've told
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it, hey, I want you to identify four to five
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board members and each of them, taking different
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specific roles in the same way a board would
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for a company. And so there are different identities
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for those board members, like a visionary, an
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operations person. I have a philosopher, which
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it identified as Jordan Peterson. My operator
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is Jocko Willink. Steve Jobs is my visionary.
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And you can use these kinds of people that maybe
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you resonate with or whose personalities you
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think might be useful to challenge you. You can
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train a particular chat or you can create a project
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in ChatGPT or in Gemini, you can create a gem,
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so on and so forth. Projects exist in Claude
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too. If you're into Claude, Anthropic is doing
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some incredible work right now in expanding their
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tool to be highly capable. And then you can expound
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upon this. You don't constantly have to say this
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prompt of like act as a board member to challenge
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my thoughts and those kinds of things. You can
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do a dedicated chat. You can do a project where
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you can grow things and give it in more increasing
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context. You don't have to keep repeating yourself.
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This is something that's been very enjoyable
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and getting challenged and seeing things that
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you're not seeing. Because oftentimes, unless
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you bring it to someone else, you're likely not
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going to get that perspective. So AI is a really
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good dry. run for some of these kinds of things
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in vetting your ideas and really helping you
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maybe get past the stump point or in brainstorming.
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It's one of my favorite uses of AI, brainstorming.
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Just get my mind going, like what are some things
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that based on what you know, what are some things
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that I can do here and can do there? Help me
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brainstorm, help me plan, act as a thought partner.
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That's Jeff's biggest thing. And then just some
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quick bullet points and some additional things
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he talks about in his book is using AI as a thought
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partner. You're the thought leader. It's the
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thought partner. So you should never abdicate
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your responsibility and expect AI to lead the
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creative. or decision -making process, it lacks
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the deep context and perspective and human judgment
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that should still lay with you. You're bringing
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things to the table, you're guiding it to allow
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it to do the heavy lifting of processing data,
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challenging your biases, and generating alternatives,
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but you're still acting as the thought leader,
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and that's when it becomes really powerful. His
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prompting framework, he calls it the CRIT framework,
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the C -R -I -T, that is context. Role, interview,
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and task. Context is any information that it
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needs to know that's relevant to what you're
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asking. The role is, you know, act as an analyst,
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act as a news reporter, act as an expert CPA,
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whatever you might be talking about. And then
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interview. That's the ask me 10 questions one
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at a time. And then the task is, this is what
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I'd like to accomplish. These four things can
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really help it along in guiding you through that
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process. And then I love the last thing he says
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in his book about AI will enhance your people.
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not replace them. And so I love that he put this
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in the book because there's a lot of people that
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are afraid for their jobs or afraid that their
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leaders aren't going to value them or their positions
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anymore. This is where I think using AI is an
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important thing for anyone in any job because
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at the end of the day, you could be replaced.
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But right now in today's climate, the odds are
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you'll be replaced by someone who does what you
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do. only with AI, because AI can help a individual
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scale what they're capable of. And if you're
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somebody who's been very skeptical, not wanting
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to use it for whatever reasons that you may have,
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then that could end up being a long -term liability
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for you because you haven't developed the skill
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and flexed the muscle of using AI and leveraging
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it to your advantage, and then to the advantage
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of those that hire you or work with you or work
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for you. The last thing he talked is to stick
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with it because there is a journey of adoption
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that he describes that I think is pretty funny
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and true. And even as AI continues to advance,
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I feel like this journey keeps repeating itself
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to certain extents. And so he describes it. Three
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things, light bulb moment. This is when you see
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what AI can do for the first time and you have
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this like wonder moment. Like we all know what
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that's like. We all know the first moment that
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AI did something absolutely incredible. And it
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was like, whoa, you know, like write me a meal
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plan and make sure to eliminate gluten and dairy
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and blah, blah, blah. And then also give me the
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groceries I need to order and then give me the
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macros for each meal. And then it's all there
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in seconds. You're like, man, I would have had
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to pay a nutritionist like, this is crazy. So
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that light bulb moment. The second one is reality
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check. This is when AI falls on its face and
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the answer is total garbage. And you're like,
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man, I wasted hopefully only five minutes, but
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maybe 10, 15, 20 minutes on all this exchange
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back and forth. And I haven't gotten any closer
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to getting my project done or getting any valuable
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information at all. This is where you're frustrated
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with the results because they're not good. And
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then the third one is building momentum. This
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is learning to communicate better with the AI
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and seeing consistent wins over time. Now I said,
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I feel like this repeats because sometimes the
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AIs will come out with a new feature or a new
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connection or a new way to do things. And you're
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like, man, maybe I can do this now. And sometimes
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you set it up, it can take some time and you're
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like, no, that was a waste of time. But other
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times you're like, you set something up, you
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give it the context, you teach it how to do it,
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and then boom, it just works and it's awesome.
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And then it makes its first mistake, right? You
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can't just like let it run and be like, yeah,
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it's good to go forever. I had it look at an
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invoice and put things on a spreadsheet for me.
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Nine times out of 10, good to go. But then it
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misread a decimal, moved it in another place,
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and the invoice total was way off. And I was
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like, still got to double check the work. So
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I love that description of this is the journey
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of adoption. Usually people start to give up
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when they hit that second reality, when that
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reality check hits them. They're like, man. I
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knew this was dumb. I knew this wasn't going
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to work. This just sucks. So you got to keep
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pushing through and using the tool. So like I
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said, I asked ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude to
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tell me what are the top things that I use you
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for? What are the most common things? And these
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are just funny use cases here. The first one
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being using it for operations and processes and
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systems. That makes sense since I'm a director
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of operations at a car dealership. And so this
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is your most frequent professional use case.
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You use AI to bridge the gap between the way
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it's always been done. and building new high
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efficiency processes and procedures, restructuring
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departments, CRM workflows, SOPs, HR situations,
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and training. So this makes total sense. I absolutely
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use this on the regular in analyzing data. That's
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a huge thing that I'm doing now because in having
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all your data in one place is not something that's
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very easy to do at the moment. Every company
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has their own data that they build that they
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keep in their own. silos. You have to pull data
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from multiple vendors and try to put it in one
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place. It's all formatted differently. And so
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to get all that in one place and then try to
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get useful information from that is definitely
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a huge challenge. But I feel like we're in a
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situation where we can use AI and leverage it
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to analyze that more than ever before. The second
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one here is entrepreneurial infrastructure. This
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is building the backbone for your different companies
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and investment ventures. Yes, Absolutely true.
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So this is building systems for accomplishing
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large tasks like quoting insurance for real estate
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portfolios, tracking properties and details,
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different analysis of investment strategies side
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by side, analyzing mortgages and different ways
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to pay them and how fast and how slow. Now that's
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easy to do in AI these days. Yeah, just playing
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around with different ways to build those systems
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in my side businesses as well. The third one
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is health and performance optimization. No surprise
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there. Why wouldn't I do that? Especially when
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you can connect ChatGPT, Cloud to your health
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data. I think Perplexity just released that a
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couple of weeks as well. So you can connect it
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to your Apple Health. I also am a Whoop user
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and it has its own AI that has gotten increasingly
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capable. I've been very impressed, especially
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in the last month. I traveled to Phoenix and
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came back and it helped me with some jet lag
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things. from a diet, water, and sleep perspective.
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It was really, really helpful. And so I use it
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to give it context into my food logging, because
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I do log my food daily. And so I have my health
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data, I have my supplements, and my nutrition
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data. And I can do a lot with that data and have
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some conversations like, hey, these were all
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my labs. All my labs are charted out on a giant
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spreadsheet since 2020, I believe, maybe 2019.
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And I can have some really great conversations
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like, hey, this has been increasing over time.
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What's a way that I can change my diet or what's
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a supplement that I can take? I always try to
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do changes with diet first before taking a supplement.
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That's a whole nother conversation. And then
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in the CrossFit space, I have conversations a
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lot now with the Whoop AI of like, hey, this
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is kind of. how I'm feeling, what should I do
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today in the class. This is the kind of weightlifting
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movement we're doing today. It's been really,
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really cool in just trying to optimize movement,
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weight, nutrition, supplementation. I've actually
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stopped a lot of supplements because I've changed
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how I've eaten. And I said, hey, how can I get
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this in my diet and analyze it afterwards? And
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it's been cool to see how the diet has affected
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my labs as well as supplements. That's no surprise,
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but huge way that I use that. I absolutely love
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it. Number four, good thing I read this book,
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right? Strategic Thought Partner and Decision
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Frameworks. Thanks, Jeff. So this is high -level
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thinking before taking action. So this is giving
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it scenarios and doing analyses. Yeah, that's
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probably a better way to put that. Doing calculations,
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risk assessments. So instead of asking, what
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should I do? I ask for basically like... trade
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-off discussion pros and cons i have it i give
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it the scenarios and i said give me the pros
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and cons because writing a pro and cons list
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has never been something that I've been a fan
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of, but I love seeing it. So if the AI can do
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the heavy lifting here, it is huge. I love that.
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So if I'm ever debating between two things, even
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if it's two products, I use it for research all
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the time. I'm like, hey, I'm considering these
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two things. What's the differences? What are
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the similarities? And what should I, you know,
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what are things that I should consider? What
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am I not considering? Number five is multi -channel
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context and brand strategy. Well, that's no surprise.
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So I use it for this channel, Optimizing Beyond.
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I use it for Cars and Coffee. We have a group
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that we do. We host Joplin Cars and Coffee in
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our local area. And so using it for that and
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some of my other businesses and my personal social
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media as well. I use it to get ideas and things
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that I can say. It has the context of a lot of
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my previous things. And so I use that to have
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discussions like, hey, how have I talked about
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this before? What are ways that I can talk about
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it maybe in a different way? Even if I repeat
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the topic, how can I talk about it from a different
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dimension? So I like kind of playing around and
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exploring what I've already done. I've already
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talked about. It's helpful on the podcast as
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well. Like how many times have I talked about
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marriage? I'm really passionate about marriage.
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So I'm going to talk about a lot. Number six
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is high stakes communication and tone matching.
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Now this is, this is an easy one. You know, have
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you ever rehearsed something, a hard conversation
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in the mirror? This is kind of that just with
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the AI. And so there'll be times where I'll just
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hash out an email in, in in as passionate as
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I want to. And then I'm like, Hey, calm it down
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a little bit. Other times, I'll just spew out
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in like an audio recording, the exact email that
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I'm trying to say, I can give it context of the
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previous, you know, email chains or whatever.
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And then I'm like, Hey, write me an email to
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reply. And I've just like, I just vibe out. And
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then it writes the email for me. I'm like, write
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it in my voice. And it's getting pretty awesome.
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There's a lot of times more and more lately that
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I don't have to really edit. But in these more
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delicate conversations where you're maybe giving
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bad news or having hard conversations, especially
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in an email or text context, this can be super
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helpful in being clear, but also maybe having
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some tact as well. And sometimes even when you're
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frustrated with a support team, like how can
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you put accountability back in there? boat by
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also being respectful. You know, what do they
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say? You get more bees from honey than you do
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vinegar. Yeah, that kind of idea. So that's,
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that's, that's very helpful. Number seven, this
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one's actually really fun. My wife crushes this
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as well. And this is consumer and travel optimization.
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I talked about it slightly earlier about, you
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know, comparing product research and products
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and things like that, but also like. How do you
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keep track of like loyalty programs? If you're
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a credit card person where you leverage points
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and you pay off the credit cards every month,
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don't tell Dave Ramsey. And you're just trying
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to track all these things. And then also travel
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itineraries. AI is so good at this, where you're
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like, hey, we're going to be in this city on
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this date, in this city on that date. You know,
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what are the top? 10 places we should consider.
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What are the best restaurants that are nearby?
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You know, whatever. Or you can just tell it,
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hey, plan me a trip in Washington, D .C. I'm
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going to be at this hotel. Whatever, whatever.
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It has been absolutely incredible and not a letdown.
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We've been increasing the use of AI in our travels.
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And I will tell you right now, in Washington,
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D .C. recently, it was pretty good. Number eight,
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game changer for me. I'm a techie guy. I love
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smart homes. I love technology. But sometimes
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that means that I don't. always know how to fix
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something when it's not working. So for troubleshooting
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specifically, I can give it the make and model
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of what I'm dealing with and then tell it like,
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hey, this is what it's doing. I've had some smart
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home products that have been really troublesome,
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especially in the last three to four months.
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And so just giving it all that information. I've
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done some electrical things that haven't been
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functioning well. And so I'm like, hey, what
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am I doing wrong? I had the power turned off.
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Don't worry. And it's been super, super helpful.
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You can sometimes even download the manual and
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have it in there. And then it'll just say, hey,
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have you tried this? Have you tried that? And
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there are times where there's something I haven't
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thought about. And so and I'll give it the things
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that I have them like, hey, I've already restarted
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it. I've already done this, that and the other.
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I've done this in the manual. What am I missing?
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And it's it's been. super helpful in getting
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things fixed quickly a little bit different than
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a google search that where i'm looking for the
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information instead it's bringing me ideas and
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we can kind of collaborate and it's been really
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really good number nine has been tough, but also
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kind of fun. So I've gotten into vibe coding
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in the last three -ish months when I have some
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free time. And it's been interesting. I've been
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working with multiple AIs to kind of develop
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my vibe coding experience and abilities. I even
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used Lovable to create a couple apps. It's been
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interesting. This is where I've experienced those
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three stages where it's like, oh my gosh, this
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is awesome. I built something and then it's not
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really working right. It's broken. And then when
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you try to fix it, sometimes it feels like you're
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just duct taping code on, you know. And what
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I found is it's definitely more useful if you
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have a conversation with a chat AI first about
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what you're thinking about, what you'd want to
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do, have it brainstorm with you and develop like
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more of a full idea instead of going to the coding
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app and brainstorming in there. I know lovable
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has a plan mode and I actually really, really
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like it. But to develop what they call PRD documents
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like. that is product requirement documents and
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other supportive documents that The chat AI can
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help you develop so that when you go to the coding
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app, it knows more of a full picture of what
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you're building. So you're not building like
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a small little thing and then decide you want
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to add seven tiny things. And then it's all just
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kind of this junky slap together. Yeah. So the
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bigger it gets, the more opportunities, in my
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opinion, it has to break. That's why I don't
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think really good developers will be replaced
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anytime soon, because what they're doing now
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is they're helping corral Vibe. coding for people
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who don't know what they're doing and going,
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hey, let me write the framework for you and then
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you can code to your heart's content. I've seen
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that work and it's been incredible in some of
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my buddies' businesses. And then number 10 is
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personal growth, mindset, and personality dynamics.
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No surprise there. I always look to see what
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I can learn from a situation. I always challenge
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myself, like how could I have done this better?
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How could I have approached this differently?
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Even if somebody is in the wrong and completely
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mishandles a situation that still won't stop
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me from asking, you know, how could I have done
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this differently? How could I have optimized
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this interaction and maybe help them in a different
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way? And so at the end of the day, we talk about.
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You can only control yourself. And so out of
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that comes what is the way of personal growth
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here. And then other times, you know, you screw
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up. And, you know, I think it's helpful sometimes
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to analyze those things. Looking at it is something
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that most people don't want to do. And so I think
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the more you can get comfortable getting uncomfortable
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in looking at when you make mistakes, when you
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have failures, and when you screw up, that's
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not comfortable for anybody. I don't think that's
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an automatic thing for anyone. I think if you
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can learn to do that, AI can be enough. tool
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to help you look at that closer, make sure you
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are able to see past those blind spots, and then
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really, really advance past those. In mindset,
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sometimes it's like if you feel stuck about a
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certain thing, there's been specific things.
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I don't use it as a therapist. I don't know if
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that's particularly, again, that's an entirely
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different topic. Kevin Wissman and I discussed
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that in our podcast episode and some concerns
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that we have about that, but using it to collaborate
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and think through certain things. has been very
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helpful for me. And then personality dynamics
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is actually pretty fun. You can load your own
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personality assessment in an AI to give it some
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context and then describe any scenario that maybe
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you're challenged with or that you're trying
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to get through. And it can really help you lean
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into those things and get through those things.
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And then other times you can give it to different
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people's personality dynamics. So, and then,
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you know, how can I help them resolve a conflict
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or yours and someone else's? Like, hey, how do
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I approach this person? How can I speak their
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language? I've talked about how that's been something
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that's been useful to me in the past as well.
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And then it says that my overarching theme is
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looking for ways to use AI to create systems.
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And the way that I would describe this is when
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I use AI to do a task, I always ask myself the
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follow -up question. Is there a way that I can...
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build this chat into something bigger so that
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it's repeatable. If it's a small thing, I have
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a general inquiries channel and I treat that
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like you would Google. Like for general questions
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that I'm not going to ask again, I was tired
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of having all of these chats that were just meaningless
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that I asked one question, got my answer and
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it was done. And so I have a general inquiries
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and it's pinned to the top of all of them. And
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when I, depending on which one I go to for whatever,
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I just ask it the question. Maybe there's a little
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bit of back and forth and then it's done for
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a hot minute until I need to ask something else
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random. So that's been huge. On other things,
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I always ask myself, hey, is this something that
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I can systematize, which is a completely different
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approach and sometimes takes additional work
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in AI. So is there a particular chat that I need
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to set up, give it certain context so I can come
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back to it on a regular basis? Is this a repeatable
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task that this chat can help me with? Is it a
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project? or a gem that I need to create, give
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it reports or give it certain files or documents
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that could help it help me with certain tasks?
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Those are the kind of questions that I ask. And
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when I do that, that takes a three to five minute
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task that is going to have to be repeated in
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three to five minutes in the future to something
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that takes me maybe 15 to 30 minutes, depending
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on what we're talking about, but doesn't need
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to consume hardly any time in the future. So
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that's just interesting. There's so many different
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use cases, it's hard to be specific. Notebook
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LM has been another thing that I've used a lot
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of where you can just upload, I mean... I think
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up to 300 files. And then you can use Gemini
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to chat with Notebook LM, which that's when it
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really started being very useful and powerful
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because I can give it a ton of context and have
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those conversations. So what's the biggest takeaway
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here? The biggest takeaway is I use it every
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day. And that's my biggest encouragement to people.
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Glenn Lundy in the episode when I had him on
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the show said that if you do something for 17
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minutes a day, you will be better at the end
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of a year than 95 % of everyone else. Which is
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pretty cool. Now remember, that's 7 billion people
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on the planet. You'll be better than 95 % of
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them. A lot of them don't even use AI. But I
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think that's super, super critical. The more
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you use it, even if it's for something stupid,
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for product research, for something you're looking
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to buy, or a coupon code for something you're
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wanting to buy. Easy, simple things, crafting
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an email, starting small, getting past the friction
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of those kinds of things. Because if you constantly
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use it for huge, ambitious things, and it falls
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on its face 30 % of the time, Every time you're
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pulling that trigger and investing all that time,
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it's going to get challenging to continue. So
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use it for a variety of different tasks every
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day. I don't know what its best use case is going
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to be for you because it depends on you and what
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you need to accomplish in a day. However, it
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is super helpful. in so many ways. It just depends
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on the context, the use case, and those kinds
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of things. So my biggest encouragement, my biggest
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takeaway from all of this is to use it every
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day. It's better to use it daily to get better
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at using it than to obsess about what's the perfect
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prompt, what's the best tool, like jumping to
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different tools. I use all of them. daily because
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I want to continue to see how they're different
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and as these companies keep evolving I think
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that'll help me be a better power user and then
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when the dust settles and we see which companies
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make it don't make it and how they advance then
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I will be able to feel comfortable in any of
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them and I love that and so that's my biggest
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encouragement use them daily get really good
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at getting past what Jeff calls the reality check
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moment when AI falls on its face and doesn't
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do a good job, when you can do that on a daily,
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daily basis, like we say, daily anything changes
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everything. If you can do that, I think that
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you can wield AI to be useful. and to multiply
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your efforts and your capabilities far into the
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future, wherever you're at. Whether it's meaningful
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for you and those next to you, or to just you
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in simplifying and helping your life out and
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making your life easier. Both have tremendous
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value and I think they can be very useful. So
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thanks for listening to Optimizing Beyond. As
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always, remember growth happens when you take
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action. So subscribe, share this with a friend,
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practice. Because as we know, daily anything
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changes everything.