The Nearshore Shift: How LATAM Became the Future of Global Staffing | The Nearshore Cafe Podcast

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Welcome to another episode of the Nearshore Cafe Podcast.
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I'm your host, Brian Sampson.
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Before we get into this episode, let me thank our sponsor, Plug Technologies, PLUG.tech.
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Great way to connect Latin America talent with growing U.S.
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companies.
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If you want to know what's trending right now in the world of staffing, Latin America staffing, near shoring, AI, H1B visas, this is going to be a great episode for you.
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We've got Evan Greenberg also with our sponsor company, Plug.
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Evan is the director of client solutions.
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Evan, great to see you again.
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This is your second time on the show.
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It is.
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Thanks for having me back.
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Absolutely.
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Well, you're in it.
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You're talking to customers all day, prospects all day, uh, you're reading, you're right on the front lines.
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Tell us about 2025.
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If you could kind of sum up, we're almost 10 months through the year.
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Kind of sum up like what did the staffing industry feel like this year?
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And then uh I'll also get into later what you see coming down the road.
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But let's just kind of look look uh at the past for a minute.
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The last 10 months, how would you summarize that?
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Yeah, sure.
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So definitely uh feel like there's a huge shift to Latin America.
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Again, we we hear it every day, every week, in terms of companies really being attracted to the talent pool, attracted to time zone overlap.
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Um companies really want people that are gonna stay longer.
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Um really attracted to the idea that in Latin America I feel like people are a little bit more loyal, and you know, that's definitely a big thing.
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Um, I would say there's a huge shift from companies kind of going from India to Latin America as well for all different types of jobs, but definitely kind of see that as well.
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Yeah, um, I see that too.
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See, there's two things that I wanted to hit on a little more.
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You talked about the loyalty factor, and I agree.
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Tenure seems to be a lot quicker in the U.S.
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You know, we're only a few years removed from quiet quitting.
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Employees are constantly looking for new things.
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Also, you know, unemployment rate is still relatively low in the U.S.
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That means that recruiters are constantly working hard, you know, to poach talent.
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Tell me more about loyalty in Latin America.
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Like what contributes to that?
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Why are why is the talent a little bit more loyal than they might be in the States?
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Sure.
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Again, from my conversations in my experience, it just seems like people are a little more dedicated, super hardworking.
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Again, we we recruit across many different countries, mostly Mexico, Brazil.
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But yeah, just seeing a lot of just seeing a lot of people kind of just being more loyal than I would say US talent, um, and maybe other places as well.
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I would say one other thing uh in terms of kind of trends this year, um, and maybe I'm kind of getting ahead, but I'll mention it.
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Kind of the whole like build, operate, transfer model.
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A lot of companies are wanting to secure like office uh office space in certain countries, but they don't want to handle compliance, payroll, and tech setup.
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That's becoming more popular.
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A lot of companies, you know, may you know have a huge operation, but they might want an office or something to have an entity and kind of scale up.
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And that's actually kind of a new offering for us, just because we've seen a lot of interest in that area.
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Yeah.
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Do you see, I mean, the optionality, I think, of that is really key for companies.
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Do you see that as more of a larger company request or are small startups looking at that as well?
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Yeah, I think I mean, I think it can be both.
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We definitely, we definitely see a lot of for for larger companies, they may already have an entity.
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Or they might have multiple offices in Latin America or in a country.
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For that small and medium, you know, they may only have operated in the US, maybe UK, and they want to build, um, build out their infrastructure and people in Mexico, for instance.
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So it might make more sense for them.
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Obviously, firms, you know, bigger companies might have multiple offices in one country.
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So, like I said, they might be more down the path.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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And then, you know, we we also talked about um, you know, we've talked about loyalty, we've talked about um kind of this trend towards near shoring.
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But let's dig into that a little bit more.
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Um are you seeing certain countries that are like more popular than others that are being requested and kind of why?
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You know, why why is that happening?
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Yeah, for well, not for some reason, but for a good reason.
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Yeah.
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I've played Mexico and Brazil recently.
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I feel Brazil, I I'm gonna touch on this a little later, but from Brazil's perspective, you know, seven million people speaking English, 150 million internet users, um, I think more than 16,000 startups, you know.
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Obviously, they're uh, you know, on a great path to being, you know, a tech powerhouse if they're not already, right?
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A lot of roles in Brazil are are being, you know, kind of data cloud AI driven.
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So I think a lot of that comes from education system.
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I would say um, I'll say one more thing would be um the fact that um you know companies are definitely kind of looking beyond, let's just say, you know, India and certain places in Asia.
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Um and uh Brazil also being in a similar time zone to East Coast um and just the whole US, um, you know, makes it really attractive.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How about how about for Mexico?
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Yeah, I think for Mexico similar.
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Obviously, Mexico City, 25 million people, a really good education system, uh really good university in Monterey as well.
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Um, definitely makes for kind of that that near shore kind of hub.
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Even even in other places in Mexico, seeing a lot of talent in Guadalajara, even in the Yucatan, in Merida, good talent as well.
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So yeah, I think that's yeah, we're we're also seeing that.
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Yeah, I I wanted to um also dive a little bit into something that I think is on the minds of a lot of people, you know, as the Trump administration is uh revising the H1B uh posting fee, which is essentially what it is, three thousand dollar uh in the past, jumping enormous to a hundred thousand dollar uh H1B posting fee.
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What does that mean?
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Like, what does that mean for staffing companies?
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What does that mean for India?
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What does that mean for near shore?
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Would love to get your take.
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Yeah, no, I think it definitely I think it changes the game for US companies to look elsewhere, right?
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Where traditionally maybe they're in India, other countries.
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I think it definitely opens the floodgates for Latin America because you know, they can be you can access talent much quicker, lower cost, same kind of cultural alignment.
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And time zone, which I already mentioned.
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And I think it'll continue to kind of be a big thing, especially in the AI kind of data front, where companies with the boom of AI is just creating more data roles, data data engineer, cloud engineer type roles.
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Um, so I definitely feel like that's um gonna become more prevalent in yeah, yeah.
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Well, let's talk about the conversations you're having with hiring managers.
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Uh, you know, first off, kind of set the stage for us.
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Are you talking to startups?
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Are you talking to big companies?
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Are you talking to engineering leaders, other roles?
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Kind of set the scene a little bit for us.
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And then tell us what's on their mind.
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You know, what are they thinking about right now?
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Sure.
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So yeah, I would say it's yeah, it's a mixture of small to medium, some enterprises as well.
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But yeah, I would say mostly small to mid-market.
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Yeah, for us, a lot of here, things that I'm hearing are frustrations with when it comes to vetting taking too long, high turnover, project delays, things of that nature.
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Even in several cases, I heard um a head of engineering mention that he had a quota on hiring.
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So again, when you think about when you think about that, you know, personal impact, it definitely kind of changes the game.
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So yeah, I mostly speak to CIOs, CTOs, head of engineering types when it comes to software engineering jobs.
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Yeah, tell us more, like what are they worried about, what are they excited about?
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Sure.
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Yeah, I think the biggest worry is I would say wasted wasted time, almost yeah, well, wasted time in terms of taking away their time from technical uh projects and kind of critical thinking about the business um and having to spend you know man hours on recruiting.
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It's not something that maybe a head of engineering wants to spend 10 hours a week doing.
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So I definitely hear that a lot.
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I would say in many cases, companies want kind of the ability to like plug and play.
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So they don't want they want someone that can come in, that stays, that's loyal, but that can also mesh with their team.
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So I definitely have seen that as well.
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I would say another one, and we kind of already talked about it, but a lot of people are getting frustrated with time zone issues with South Asia.
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Um, and I keep mentioning it because it's probably it's probably one of the number one things I hear.
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I probably hear it once a week, right?
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So from a from a project standpoint, you know, you're missing out on hours and hours and hours because of misaligned time, and that's definitely a frustration.
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Um I would say another one is not bad resumes, but resumes that also waste hiring managers' time.
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Yeah.
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So um I've seen that be a big one where again, a head of engineering doesn't want to spend X hours combing resumes and then figuring out that even in some cases like fake resumes.
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And so having an extra layer to kind of sift through the resumes, um save them a lot of time is definitely something that I hear about.
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Uh yeah, are you s yeah, I I I didn't realize this trend.
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Tell us more about the the fake resumes.
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Is this because of AI or like what what's going on with this?
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I think so.
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I mean, honestly, a client complained to me a couple weeks ago about it, and they pretty much said that you know people are even if they don't live in the US, they might say they do.
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So it's so it's wasting time.
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And then there's all sorts of you know job scams and whatnot.
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So again, uh using a staff partner like us, we kind of sift through that, uh, just make it seamless for a for a hiring manager to uh bring on talent.
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Yeah.
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You know, and I think often companies don't calculate the cost of their hiring manager's time very, very you know, correctly.
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Um they might just look at it like the true hourly rate.
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Like their hiring manager makes$150,000 a year, so it's$75 an hour.
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But the opportunity cost of that hiring manager directing the team, moving roadblocks, creating a vision, who ain't, dealing with executives.
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I mean, this is really like a thousand dollar an hour type work, right?
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That they're being pulled away from by dealing with fake resumes and all this other stuff.
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Absolutely.
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How does how do how do you and the rest of the plug team um vet out some of the fake resumes, fake candidates to save that thousand dollar an hour time?
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Yeah, I think it comes down to attention to detail, understanding the client's job description, having multiple conversations with us before they even kind of get to the client.
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Yeah.
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So I feel like that definitely um yeah, that definitely fills the gap.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Creates a much tighter conversion, right?
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Of candidates that that interview are much more aligned.
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So then it just becomes about culture and domain knowledge, not is this person in Sri Lanka really?
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But they're saying that they're in, you know, Minnesota or Mexico.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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And then one other one other thing, sorry, one other thing I didn't touch on earlier.
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One thing I hear a lot and seen a lot uh recently, um with small to medium companies, even larger, is just you know the cost of an engineer in a major city in the US, right?
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I mean, on average, probably 150 to even 500 uh K a year.
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Right.
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In obviously in Latin America, it's much less.
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But even beyond that, you know, the overall talent in Latin America is super strong with with big hubs like I already we already mentioned, kind of Mexico City, Argentina Argentina as well, and and Brazil.
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So just wanted to mention that as well.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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For sure.
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Well, I mean, you've had uh a nice success story um in the recent months, uh bringing near shore talent to a client.
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Tell us more about that.
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Kind of set the scene, what kind of industry were they in?
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What kind of size are they?
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What were they looking to fill and and what you did there?
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Yeah, yeah, happy to share one.
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Um, of course, I'll keep the name confidential.
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Yeah, I recently um worked with a uh cloud-focused tech firm uh out of the US uh West Coast.
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They were kind of building out their engineering team.
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So full stack, front-end, and uh principal engineer.
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Some things they were running into were kind of regional hiring blocks, I would say.
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So they were open to the idea of near shore.
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They were also exploring Europe as well, but ultimately decided with near shore.
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Um, a couple things that kind of stood out for them.
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Again, they, you know, were frustrated with some previous outsourcing issues, most of them kind of communication in time zone, I would say.
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I would say um, I guess another thing was that you know, lost productivity of you know, waiting too long to hire somebody.
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Yeah.
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Was kind was definitely affecting them.
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In terms of the value we brought, in terms of the value, you know, I would say a kind of rapid turnaround.
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I mean, we quickly quickly made them a team of two to three in, you know, a matter of weeks, not months.
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Another thing that kind of stood out there, you know, we we kind of aligned a job description from the get-go.
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That was really nice to you know not have any issues in terms of misalignment.
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Um, just kind of working together there.
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I would also say, again, some reasons kind of they picked us.
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Again, it came down to it came down to uh the ability to uh you know build a team quick, find really good talent.
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In this case, you know, we found talent in Brazil.
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They're very cloud-centric, like I mentioned.
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So they were looking for pretty specific kind of um technical requirements.
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Again, with plug, we don't we don't have a bench necessarily, so we go recruit for each for each role.
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I feel like that stood out because we found you know several excellent people.
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I'll say some other things that kind of stood out were the yeah, just kind of listening to the client, right?
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For specific traits that they were looking for.
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You know, some things they were telling me were like someone that really shows initiative, being able to prioritize system design, um, you know, other things like that, and just kind of throughout the the process being able to um, you know, find the right people for them and make them happy with that.
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There's something that I wanted to dive deeper into what you just said, and that was they wanted engineers that showed the initiative.
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And I think maybe a common misnomer is you know, engineers in the US kind of have the sense of urgency, they're self-starters.
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Once they kind of build the build an architect, the code base, then you throw it over the wall to people to like maintain it, right?
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And um, but maybe maybe that's not correct.
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Uh companies are able to get self-starter, innovative engineers that can build things from Latin America.
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Tell us tell us about that perception and you know, myth versus reality.
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Yeah, I think in this case, I think in this case it was interesting because they actually ended up going with or they actually ended up picking engineers that were, I would say, you know, pretty young, right?
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But they were young, but they were self-starters, showed that initiative, serious about their work, and I feel like that was something that they really valued, right?
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So again, you know, a lot of companies may have you know 10 years on a on a JD, but um I feel like you know, in this case, they were really they really knew what they were looking for and were open to um, you know, really good young talent.
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Yeah.
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Okay, okay, good.
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All right, well, let's talk more about uh AI.
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It's on everybody's mind, it's not a new thing anymore.
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You know, companies are using it, and they want to stay, they want to stay current or maybe even ahead.
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What are they doing to make sure they've got the resources, they've got the talent, and how does nearshoring play into this, this arms race for AI?
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Yeah, no, I think it plays a major role.
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Everyone's probably seen the open AI investment recently in Argentina, the$25 billion.
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I think that will only kind of increase the awareness of AI and kind of data jobs kind of moving to Latin America.
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I also think with the boom of AI, and I kind of mentioned this earlier, it's leading to a lot of kind of new new titles.
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So, like prompt engineer, even um, there's all sorts of new titles kind of spinning off from AI.
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Yeah.
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I feel like um, yeah, I mean, we see it, we see it every week in terms of, you know, I need an AI engineer, I need a data engineer.
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We're also seeing, you know, a lot of interest in uh, you know, data bricks, snowflake type roles as well.
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I mean, that also comes from kind of the AI boom and just kind of more, more data, more rise on it.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, with the AI boom, I definitely feel like it's obviously it does take a lot of jobs, but it also creates a lot of jobs.
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Yeah, yeah.
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As we talked about, Evan, you're you're our returning guest on the show.
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Last time we really dug into you're a world traveler.
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You've been to a lot of different places.
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Is there any place that we didn't get into last time you were here that you'd like to share more to the listeners and maybe maybe drive some interest over there?
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Yeah, there definitely is.
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So I don't I don't think I touched on this last time.
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We we did talk about several countries and cities and whatnot.
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I wanted to talk about Oaxaca, actually.
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So I went to Oaxaca a couple years back before I had a baby, and it was kind of funny how we stumbled upon it, but our we were supposed to go to Mexico City and it was during COVID, and obviously everything shut down.
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Right.
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Well, the hotel that I was supposed to go to shut down and opened up in Oaxaca.
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So I had this credit that I had to use like in a two-year time frame or something, right?
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But then I started doing more digging on Oaxaca, and you know, I'm really into food culture, fan of Mezcau.
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Yeah.
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So we went to Oaxaca, right?
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We went to Oaxaca City.
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I just think it's a really underappreciated place.
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I think Oaxaca in general has they speak like I think they have 16 different like indigenous groups in Oaxaca, which is pretty interesting.
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I thought the food culture was amazing.
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When we landed, I mean, I almost felt like we were in like a huge, huge city, but it was really Oaxaca City and it wasn't that big.
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I almost felt like I was in like a Miami bar, but I was in Oaxaca City.
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So yeah, I definitely, definitely recommend uh Oaxaca for anyone thinking about travel, you know, outside of Mexico City or Cancun.
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It's just a great place, really good, really good coffee as well.
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Um yeah, I just wanted to wanted to share that.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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Well, hopefully that inspires some people, maybe myself, to go check it out.
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Yeah, I do recommend it.
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Yeah, any any final thoughts, notes that we didn't touch on in the show that you want our listeners to know before we we wrap up?
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I think we I think we touched on a lot.
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I mean, again, there's a huge surge of business kind of moving to Latin America.
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I mean, I've seen it like in my family.
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My wife works at a at Lenovo, big computer company.
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They've had teams in Costa Rica for years, mostly on the sales side.
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Uh, but even HubSpot.
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They've had teams of customer success managers, salespeople in Colombia for a number of years as well.
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So I think it's no, I think it's no um, I think it's no surprise that companies are moving to Latin America, and I do think we'll see you know more of that moving into next year.
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Good stuff.
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Well, Evan, thanks so much for your time here on the show.
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Summarizing trends, uh, reviewing this 2025, looking ahead, uh, some really great stuff.
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