8/16/25 - Animal Mutilations and Strange Encounters with Katie Paige

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Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday for you too, you too, yea
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for you something like that. I don't know. I hope
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everybody's doing well today. Let's shrink that a little bit.
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You don't need to see that much of me in
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your eighth I hope everybody, like I said, hope everybody's
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having a great Saturday. I have to say right off
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the bat, I almost canceled the show today. I had
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a death in the family last night, but it was
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kind of a rough night. But you know, the show
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goes on. I need this for a little bit of therapy.
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Needed to see my peeps. I'm always looking forward to
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talking to Katie, so I certainly didn't want to do that.
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So so here we are. The show must move on.
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So thank everybody for coming in here tonight and making
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me feel better with everything. So it's always fun seeing you.
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I know you are smiling over there, smiling or laughing
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or whatever. So you guys are just awesome. I love
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being around you guys. Speaking of being around you, guys,
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see the segue I did there. Crossing Realms conference is
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coming up. That is coming up. Less. What's today's date.
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It's a little more than a month away. Crossing Realms
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on September nineteenth and twentieth. Make sure you get your tickets.
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They're going fast. There are a limited amount of tickets
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because of fire code, so get those before we cut
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them off. So we have a great list of speakers.
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It's going to be a fantastic weekend. So I am
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looking forward to it and I hope to see as
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many of you guys in chat as we can. So anyway,
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we have a fantastic show tonight. Miss Katie Page is
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going to be on here joining me. You know what,
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Let's just bring her up right now. She is something
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through something real quick. Let's wait for her to get ready.
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There she is, Hi Katie, Hi there, Paul.
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I'm so sorry to hear about the death of the family.
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That's thank you very much, appreciate it. It's it was a
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it was a shock, but you know, you know, it
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is what it is. It's it's going to be sad
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for a little bit, but you know, things will things
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will be okay. But but he you know, I'm very
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happy to have you here as a very special guest,
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and congratulations on kind of rebooting your podcast, Rocking Mountain
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Ranch Research Podcast.
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Well, thank you, thank you.
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Well, tell us, tell us when you're on and where
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we can find you and everything.
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Yeah.
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So I started out, I you know, I was on
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KGRA a for a while and then co host with
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I'm still going to co host with Jason Gilmatt with
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u A P Studies podcast. And then I had this
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wild idea, I'm going to like take my show on
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YouTube and just get out in the field. But you know,
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I'm still going to do that from time to time.
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But I thought, you know, I really that connection, like
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you said, like you kind of get your tribe and
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your people, and I like the back and forth and
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the questions and talking with other people in the field.
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So I decided to do Rocky Mountain Ranch Research Podcast.
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It's going to be live every Wednesday night from seven
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to eight pm Mountain Standard time, nine to ten Pacific
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or Eastern. So yeah, it's fun. We had Ron Murphy.
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I just noticed your conference. I'm like, oh, Ron's going
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to be there because there, Yeah, that looks like.
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A fun he's going to be That's going to be
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a blast. And you know, you know, before you kind
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of rebooted this and you were all over the I
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don't know about all over the country about all over
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the Mountain zone area, and I would assume that would
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take a lot out of you to you know, travel
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that much and get all that content and be just
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a lot of work to do. So it's awesome that
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you that you're you're you're back into it. And you know,
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if anybody goes on over there and watches I have
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the link in the show notes you are. You do
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a ton of research, and you are very good at
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this and you just you know, an awful lot about
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everything that you talk about, so that you know, very
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very kudos to you on doing such a great job.
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Well, thank you.
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Well, you know, in the paranormal world, there's really nothing
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better than going on location because there's an energy you
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pick up. Right, So like when I reinvestigate, well, you know,
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Tony and I reinvestigate the Carl Higden case being you know,
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medicine Bow, Wyoming wasn't too far but drive for us,
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it's like it's worth making that trip to go out
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there just to kind of feel and see the terrain.
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And you know, in that case, Carl Higden was a
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famous case from nineteen seventy four in outside of Laramie, Wyoming,
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in medicine bow and he had a really interesting encounter.
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But it was you know, for miles and miles.
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You're driving in its wide open space, and I'm like, well,
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this kind of seems unusual, like it doesn't really match
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the story. But then you get to the location of
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where he encountered also one and this whole thing with
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a box and you know they took he was elk hunting,
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and then you realize, oh wow, this is very similar
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to Rocky Mountain Ranch. So it's so great when you can,
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but it's time and money and hotels and you know,
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there's a lot of effort to do that. But I
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still try to do that whenever I whenever it's possible,
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you know, you know, because it's brilliant.
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It does ed up and you know, the time driving
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to and from wherever, I'm sure things aren't that close,
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and you know, like you said, it's it adds up,
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and you know, it's it's still like this. It's really
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good to you know, sit down and connect with somebody.
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I'm in Saint Louis, you're out in Colorado. It's you know,
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brings us all together and it's still great to talk
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to people all over the country and world. Really on
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this kind of platform. Before we get going, I want
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to thank Mickey g for the five dollars. Appreciate it. Mickey,
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thank you so much, my friend. And Kelly Sandford, thank
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you for gifting five more. Thank you so much. All right,
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let's switch that back over and t Bone. Wow, thank
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you so much, Buddy. Good to have you back in chat.
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It's been a few minutes since you caught a live
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so I'm glad you're back here. Hey, Jason, let's see
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where do I want to start with this. I know
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we want to talk about I want to talk about
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Skippy and you were on. But before we do that,
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Skippy the Horses. You can see the poster behind you.
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We can talk about that here in just a second.
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You were on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch last season and now
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again this season. First off free seasons, free seasons. Yeah, okay,
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how did I miss this? Yeah?
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I go back check out the second one.
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I know I've seen them all, but well, I guess three.
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You're a little behind the scenes information for your viewers.
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They filmed season two and three at the same time,
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so initially I thought they were going to do two episodes,
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kind of like for season three. They had two episodes
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with Chris Bloodsoe and so I thought they were going
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to do the two episodes for season two, but they
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split it in half. So, you know, the third season.
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My sister came on with me for that one, and
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she had to wait a whole other year for that
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to air, so ye before right, yeah, right, So I'm like,
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oh my gosh, oh yeah, I don't know why.
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They same thing with Skinwalker Branch. They've filmed that a
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year advance. But either way, how did that? How did
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you get hooked up with beyond Skinwalker?
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You know, interesting story. You know, it's been gosh, going
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on fifteen years now of just kind of realizing anybody
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because before it was known as the Rocky Mountain Ranch,
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it was known as a Clearview ranch. Met my sister,
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my family, and I never knew anybody knew anything about
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it until, you know, I started asking questions about what
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all that was back in the day. Bought the book
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Hunt for the skin Walker, Found the Colorado. I'm like,
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oh my god, that's the ranch from my childhood. Learned
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about Leo Sprinkle and then got all the documents and
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it was a rabbit hole. So after that pre COVID,
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I went to the ranch. It's gated now and they
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have a box in the front, and I just left
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a note explaining who I was, the connection to the
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ranch and then but they didn't know anything about so
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they called me and said, hey, yeah, we'd be open,
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but they didn't know anything about the history, right, and
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I didn't know how long they'd been there. And then
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COVID shut everything down, and I'm like, I'm not gonna
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call these people on the phone and just lay all
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this heavy, heavy stuff on them. I wanted to meet
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them for lunch in person. Well, during the two years
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kind of was basically two years, we're all kind of
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in lockdown.
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Whatever.
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History Channel got wind of the story and contacted the
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family and I was like, what so yeah, and then
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it was agreed upon with Beyond Skinwalker that the first
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time I ever met so part of the agreement to
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be on the show was you're not going to talk
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to Greg or Chris or Nicole that lived there now
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and had lived there for over thirty years until cameras
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are rolling, because they wanted that to be so the
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season one, episode one, and that is legit the first
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time I've ever meeting them being there, remembering and they
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wanted that for the show, and I give them credit
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for that because I think that's super important. Likewise, in
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season three, when I had to kind of convince my
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sister to go because and this is one of the
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questions I've always had about the phenomenon, like why does
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it seem to attach to Like the Hitchhiker phenomenon seemed
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to attach more to me than my big sister. I
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don't know if it was an age difference. I don't
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know if it's because I was more open to it
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more like I was plugged into it more and paid
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more attention, and she didn't want it. So I feel
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like that might be true. Like our intention in our
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our involvement kind of opened some doors, maybe you know, good,
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bad or otherwise. So my sister was a little hesitant
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to go back. She's six years older. So when I'm nine,
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ten and eleven on the ranch during the years, you know,
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she's fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and she went to the high
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school prom out there and went to the ranch after
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prom and had a really scary event. So she kind
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of really shoved it more than I did. So I'm like,
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but you know, you know, we should face it. Together.
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We're adults now, we can you know, when we're older,
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we could sit on the front porch and talk about
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our you know us doing this, and so she did
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and I'm glad she did. And so for season three,
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the crew on Beyond Skinwalker had the same conversation with
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both my sister and I on do you guys want
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to go together for the first time with Chris back
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to the ranch or should we separate you and take
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Chris separately? And they we all decided, but the you know,
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ultimately Beyond Skinwalker has the final say. They chose to
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have Chris go by herself, and I'm really glad they
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did because we had never been back together as sisters.
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So it was really cool. I get to see it
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when you guys see it for the first time, and
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to see her go to the landing site and to
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go you know what a lot of people don't realize
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they filmed like where I had the box encounter and
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my sister also had a box encounter, so they had
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filmed all that, and it was really interesting to see
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her go to all these same locations and have the
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same types of memories that I had. Because it reconfirmed
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and in the show they mentioned that, like Chris and
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I didn't talk about it very much, and that is
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true because when I was eleven years old, right at
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the tail end of all this stuff, my sister moved
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out and pretty quickly after that moved to Gillette, Wyoming
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and started her family. So it wasn't like something we
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talked about very often. We'd bring it up maybe on occasion,
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but we were told never to talk about it, so
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we shoved it down. So it was really interesting to
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kind of see that play out. Can see the emotion
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in my sister too, which, by the way, is her
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birthday today.
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So happy birthday, birthday, Chris.
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The day Elvis died, it was a Girl Scout camp
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when Elvis died on the sixteenth, So I always remember
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when Elvis Presley died because he died on my sister.
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Oh wow, I didn't know that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we were sitting around Girl Scout
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camp singing Elvis Presley songs and then it's like, oh,
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you guys, but.
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What's interesting too.
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So my sister and I are texting like have you
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seen the episode yet? And we're texting She hadn't, and
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I was I was hoping that they wouldn't put my
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medical incident in that episode where I'm like, I'm in pain.
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I'm in pain because I was legitimately having like a
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medical issue. But my sister sex she goes what I
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didn't tell you is why I was having that. She
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was having that too, not to the degree I was,
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but she didn't want to speak up about it, so
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she was having the same kind of symptoms. I mean,
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I was like pale. My blood pressure. I have naturally
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little blood pressure, but my blood pressure shot up. I'm
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like shaking. It was painful, like ten thousand knives on
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my shoulders. And what they don't show on that episode,
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and it shocked me, was that Hillary is a sound
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person for Beyond Skinwalker and she had just put brand
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new batteries in all of our microphones. So as we're
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sitting there getting ready for that night SkyWatch, which I
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was super excited about. That's why I was trying to
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tough it out, like I was really excited about doing that,
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And what they didn't show was my battery went from
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one hundred to fifty. And then Paul walks me back
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to the barn, which was like one hundred and fifty
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yards or something, and my battery went from fifty to nothing.
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No else everybody else's stated one hundred percent, Like, why
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didn't they put that in the episode?
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I have no idea, but they didn't.
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But it more.
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I mean, that's kind of weird that. I mean, that's
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really a bizarre encounter to where you just drained your battery.
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I mean, it happens all the time, but we kind
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of eat to include that. And you know, you could
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see we're talking about the TV show Beyond Skinwalker Ranch
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on the History Channel. I can't remember which History channel.
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basic TVs, UH networks or streaming platforms or whatever, So
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go back and watch it. That was back in one
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of the first episodes this season, I believe, I can't
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remember which one. But you could see Katie just you know,
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I don't want to say almost shut down, but you
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could see you're you're visibly shaken, You're you're you can
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tell you're hurting, and I mean for them to stop
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production like that, that's a that's a pretty big deal.
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And they rushed you out and got you and I mean,
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that's crazy that your sister was feeling the same thing.
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And you mentioned in the show that growing up, she
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was your protector. So do you nobody else got any
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of this? Did they just YouTube? Yeah?
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Just us too. And you know that's the other thing,
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you know, for your listeners.
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What I thought all my life, basically, I thought all
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the things that happened on the ranch were kind of
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isolated to the sixty acre ranch, but it was really
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the whole county of Elbert County and outlying counties, so
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kind of the whole Palmer Divide area, which is kind
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of similar, you know to the uh like the Dulcet base,
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who I like ending of the name of it right now,
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and then you went to Basin what is that canyon
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by the Dulce base anyway? But yeah, so there's certain
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elements that are kind of similar. And I was like, oh,
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that's really interesting. And of course that's where Lynda Moulton
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how we had the rash of cattle mutilations and all
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of that seemed to tie together. And when we get
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to Snippy the Worse, you know, what I thought was
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one of the Snippy the horse was one of the
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very first before viral, was the viral animal deaths that
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made world news in nineteen sixty seven.
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So it's an old case.
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And I happened to meet the King family, who you know,
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is Nelly's great great great nephew, and they have the
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snippy event coming.
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We'll talk about that later too.
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But what I thought was just a horse mutilation. I
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when Tony Angeola. Really he's the one who did the
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really heavy lifting on all the research, I mean, pulling
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everything that was ever written about this case. There's so
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many comparisons and similarities to the Rocky Mountain Ranch that, like,
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on a daily basis, I was like, you're kidding me,
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You're kidding me, You're kidding me, that kind of thing.
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So I'm really happy, and we'll kind of get into
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how that all transpired, but I'm really happy we reopened
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that case because I had no idea that the San
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Luis Valley had so many similarities to the Rocky you know,
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the Rocky Mountain Ranch or of Elbert County.
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So and really ever since the TV show Skinwalker, groups
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of Skimwalker Ranch came along, you know, we're getting that,
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we're hearing things. You know, there's the Maley I think
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it's Marley Woods Ranch here in Missouri, other ranches are
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other locations around the world. Really, I think it's just
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crazy that there are a lot of similarities in a
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lot of different places. So it just kind of makes
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you wonder what's going on. And you know, getting back
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to Beyon Skywalker, the first time you were on I
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believe so they had I guess you guys were set
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up in like a porch area and they had radio
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equipment that they were going to broadcast your voice into
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the house, and somebody else was talking into the house.
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You know, nothing happened. They had all their equipment going on. No,
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the levels all stayed the same. But tell everybody what
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happened when they gave you the microphone and you started talking.
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Yeah, so that was an interesting experiment, and I you know,
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it was kind of as we're filming.
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It was on the spot.
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The producers like, hey, we should try to have Katie
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do this too. But so one of the scariest night
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on the ranch, you know, it was the boys's mother birthday.
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I did not live on the ranch full time. I
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think had I lived there full time, I probably wouldn't
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be doing what I'm doing. My mom was dating the
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guy that owned the ranch, so his two younger sons
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lived with us during the week, and we'd drive back
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and forth on the weekend so the boys can see
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their mom and so forth. So spent time on the ranch,
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and every time something crazy happened, and I always heard
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about it throughout the week, you know, but don't talk
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about it. Don't talk about it. And so that one
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night it was a boys's mother birthday. The adults are
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all playing board games, and me and my sister and
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the three boys are hanging out in their back bedroom
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and that's when the brightest light I'd ever seen. All
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the power goes out in the house, the hum sound
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starts up, and there was this disembodied, weird electronic voice,
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which I'm not saying it's aliens or etis. It could
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be plasma ball technology or some black access project thing
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going on, but there was something that basically, you know,
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we have allowed you to remain that whole thing. Your
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friends will be instructed to remain silent concerning us.
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I don't know the US is, but it.
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Was terrifying, and I got my phone blown migraine blah
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blah blah blah blah. So they were trying to recreate
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that in the room. They put a Crystal radio and
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so you know, the ham operators no signal and I'm
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just watching nothing, nothing, nothing, And then I go like, hey,
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I'm back, do you remember me? And everything goes crazy.
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I was like, holy moly. And they repeated it three
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or four times. They repeated it more times than they
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show in the episode. But again, something else was happening
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that they didn't put in the episode. And it shocked
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me that they didn't put in the episode because, first
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of all, in the room where the crystal radio was
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Travis Taylor saying, they were like strange clicks, almost like
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Morris Code type of clicking. But also in the scene
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they had like a CB radio kind of thing down
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on the shelf right there. We were getting like things
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about the Vietnam War coming through. I heard Vietnam War.
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I heard We're back, like almost like EVPs like we're
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back or.
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Something like that.
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I'm like, oh my god, And we all heard it
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in the room. It was an audible EVP. It was
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that strong. And then on the CB radio was Vietnam
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War stuff. I'm like, what is happening? Another thing they
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didn't put in that night, or maybe they did.
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I'd have to go back and rewatch it.
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But one of the rockets, one of the rockets they launched,
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was giving us coordinates that was not right. It was
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actually given coordinates near a nuclear base in Montana, Ya,
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one of the missile silos.
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And I can don't remember.
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If that I think it was. I'm pretty sure I
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remember seeing that. And on Skinwalker Ranch they do that too,
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and the coordinates are all messed up, all jacked up too,
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and I remember thinking, yeah, that's very weird. Similarity BJ
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Morris code type clicking. Wow. She sent me a video
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that had strange lights in the sky and that was
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there was the same clicking that you know, she didn't
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hear when she was filming it. She didn't even notice
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it until I pointed it out to her. And so
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maybe that's something from whatever was out there. I mean,
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who knows. I don't know that we'll ever know.
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Yeah, but that's the fustrating part, isn't it. We all
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want answers, then we can all retire.
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I don't exactly exactly. So then you know, the first
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season you were on there as a solo with beyond
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Skinwalk Ranch at You're old at the Ranch, and now
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fast forward to now they do that same experiment and
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your sister's there with you, and did she get the
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reaction from the house as well?
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She did, And what's fascinating too, So we both got reactions.
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But and I'm not a technical person, so I don't
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really know how Ham radio and all these gadgets work.
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But I do remember the crew saying we did get
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we both got reactions, but you got reactions in a
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different way. So I thought that was interesting and what's
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interesting about that? And of course nobody can know this
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because I'm doing it in my mind, but when my
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sister's communicating the whole time, I'm like kind of telepathically
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trying to call them in in my head. And so
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another thing that didn't make it the episode, which I
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was like, Wow, my sister and I got to sit
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down with the crew and have a review of the
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you know, the the UAPs or anomalies that we're seeing,
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because they had the sky DApp going. Why she's doing
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that radio experiment and it could be two shooting stars.
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But even if it was two shooting stars, which I've
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never seen a duel, and just me and my sister's reactions.
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So while my sister's on the radio at that same
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time of you know, when it had that cold enter
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the temperature inversion two Shooting Stars like the Two Sisters
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comes right over the ranch like this, and me and
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my sister I have a screenshot of it because we
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were like, oh, like, it was the coolest thing I've
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ever seen in two like I'll see shooting stars but
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not two like that. And it really to her and
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I it was like, oh, it represented the Two Sisters,
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but they didn't put in the episode, and I'm like,
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why not?
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Just a reaction alone would have been good.
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Oh my god.
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You know, they could do another show beyond Beyond Skin
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walk around.
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Yeah, bus clips like they did season one.
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Bonus clip.
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You mentioned was, I think it's uphodapp with the technology
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that he use. It's something that scans the sky and
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anything that's not an airplane gets identified as a UAP
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or UFO or whatever. So it's not necessarily saying that
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it's a UFO alien. It's just, you know, something that
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they can't identify as an airplane. And real quick, you
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mentioned the landing side. Can you explain that as well,
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because I I think that's where something landed. I'm not
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I don't remember well we don't.
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Know if anything landed there, if there's something underground. And
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I think a season two they had the guys from
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Oak Island out there and they did a you know,
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a scan right there, and it was strange because they
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got data to a certain depth and then it just
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went black. And that guy, I can't remember his name,
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but he was so nice. He was a really nice guy,
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and he's like, I've never seen anything like that before.
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But the memory for both my sister and I was
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a very vivid one, and it was very innocent. I mean,
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it was just one of those weekends. We were at
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the ranch, nothing to do your board, we're flipping the frisbee,
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what you do in the seventies, and we both it
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was like wet, heavy snow on the ground. You probably
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get it in Missouri too. It's like spring snow in Colorado.
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And we're like, this is so flipping weird. There's just
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dried dirt, no weeds, no nothing, just this perfect circle
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of dried dirt and wet heavy snow on the outside.
481
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.200
Fast forward all these years later, come to find out
482
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.799
there were two of those on the ranch. They measured him.
483
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.359
The one my sister and I remember was seventy five
484
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.480
feet in diameter, which is significant because that's it was
485
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.640
even measured and found it the snippy site, but nothing grew.
486
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.599
And in the report, the APRO report, and APRO stands
487
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.240
for the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, and they're the ones
488
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:14.000
that you know, like here, they're the ones that investigated
489
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:19.119
the case. And in here they talk about that outside
490
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.839
of the snowless circle where drops of blood in the
491
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.319
snow when the investigators were out there and there were
492
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.400
three PhDs out there, and I'm like, holy smokes, but
493
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.119
they were one. There was one also reported in the
494
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.079
back of the ranch house. Now my first thought, you know,
495
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.079
I used to be the mof on Mutual UFO Network
496
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:41.039
State Director and so as an investigator, my first thought was, well,
497
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.440
maybe there was an old missile silo sitting there, or
498
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.880
building that used to sit there, or something that would
499
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.559
cause that to happen. But there wasn't. There was never
500
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.200
anything there. And when I walked up to that site
501
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:58.160
with Nicole and that reaction with the dog, that was
502
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.079
like they refilmed that because we're walking just filming, and
503
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.240
then the dog reacted like that and took off, and
504
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.480
I'm like, what because they have three dogs. The one
505
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:10.160
dog in particular will not go to that landing site.
506
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.079
And so they're like, we got to get this on film,
507
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:13.200
and I'm glad you did.
508
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:14.079
Yeah.
509
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.480
So you see that dog just he will not go there.
510
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.759
He'll go anywhere else on that ranch property, but not there.
511
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:20.000
Now.
512
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.880
Is that an electron yeah, electric, you know, anomaly or
513
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.640
something like that. I don't know, but I don't know
514
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.480
if something landed there, if something's buried underground, but it
515
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.640
is a strange place. And then after I think it
516
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:35.960
was after they filmed season one, Tony and I went
517
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.759
out with Ben Moss, you know, we went out to
518
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.880
the ranch, got permission from the owner, and we wanted
519
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.640
to fly or drone because I'm like, you know, part
520
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.039
of me was like, there's so much stuff that happened,
521
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.119
the hum and all these things. I'm like, I gotta
522
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.480
do some of these experiments myself for my own confirmation.
523
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.279
And we put the drone up right over the landing
524
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.759
site and that thing went up. It was fully charged
525
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.799
and came down within two minutes. And what's strange about
526
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:04.279
that is we plugged it in the car to recharge it.
527
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:06.680
It recharged like super fast.
528
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.480
We put it back up and it was fine.
529
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.440
So whatever this is, it seems transient in nature, like
530
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.519
it moves or shifts or something. You know, it's strange.
531
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.039
You know, although all the while you were you were
532
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:24.240
talking about the circle, the odd circle in the ground.
533
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.680
I remember watching some TV show they did, so I
534
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.440
can't remember if it's I don't know. I can't remember
535
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.839
the name of the lake in Peedemont. I can't remember
536
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.240
if it's a clear water lake or something else in Peedemont, Missouri,
537
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.839
that there's reports of UFOs going in and out of
538
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.799
the lake, and there's somebody has there's a house near
539
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.799
that lake that there is a perfect I don't remember
540
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:52.000
the dimensions of the circle, but a perfectly round circle
541
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.119
where it's nothing will grow and they can't figure out why.
542
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.240
And the radiation levels were different on that circle, so
543
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.440
that count sounds kind of similar to what the landing
544
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.720
side is on the Rocky Mountain Ranch.
545
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:05.680
Yeah.
546
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.240
You see it time and time and time again.
547
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.039
And I can't I'm so horrible. I feel bad.
548
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.119
That's why I didn't want to mention this. But we
549
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.359
had a guest on UAP Studies podcast who did his
550
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:22.319
dissertation on UFOs and so this this guy, you know
551
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.039
how much work that is to do that to get
552
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:28.160
your PhD. And he you can go to UAP Studies
553
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.279
and find find the episode.
554
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:29.680
But he.
555
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.720
In one of his bubble graphs, was looking at, you know,
556
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.920
just your typical commonalities, case after case after case, and
557
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:45.200
one of them was was dish shaped craft. One of
558
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.839
the telltale signs is a seventy five foot diameter circle.
559
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.240
So to find it in the snippy case, I was like,
560
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.799
you're kidding me. But also I know there's been other
561
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.000
like lake sightings with these weird circles or things, you know,
562
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.799
where things don't grow. And in Investigation Alien, which was
563
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:07.160
on Netflix with George Knapp, it's the very first episode.
564
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.920
It's my favorite episode of that series for obvious reasons
565
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.319
because they kind of hit on the animal mutilation stuff.
566
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.200
But there's a rancher there from Oregon and like he's
567
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:20.599
a fifth generational rancher, has had several mutilations. Actually saw
568
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.319
a craft over his ranch with one of these large circles,
569
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.759
seventy five foot circle where nothing grew, and shot at
570
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:28.519
the thing and said it.
571
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.519
Just disappeared in an instant. I'm like, holy.
572
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.599
Crap, there it is again, so we hear that over
573
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.359
and over. And like you mentioned at the top of
574
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.000
the show, Paul, this is not just the United States,
575
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.440
this is in the UK, you know, in other places.
576
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:47.680
Many countries have the same phenomenal happening. So I don't know,
577
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.799
Just like the crop circles, that's kind of an area
578
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.319
I never got really into because like so many of
579
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:53.920
us were.
580
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.400
Like, oh, it's just dudes with boards.
581
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.839
Yeah some of them, Yeah, they're get a few boards
582
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:02.759
make some crop circles, but some of them are so
583
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.000
dang intricate, like there's no you know, so some of
584
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.200
them have to be legit. And it's just like when
585
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.680
you do like the sand and you put the vibrations
586
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.799
and they make those cool patterns and things. Maybe that's
587
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.039
what's happening energetically with the earth and it does that.
588
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.960
I don't know what the answer is, but you know,
589
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.039
and then of course they have the broken nose all
590
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.160
that stuff. So there are tale signs of actual real
591
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.119
crop circles. But I'm wondering if it's a similar kind
592
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:28.839
of phenomenon.
593
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:31.960
I don't know, could be well be and you know,
594
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.759
you know, putting and I don't want to get anywhere
595
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:40.039
near politics or anything on the show. But if certain
596
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.880
countries would just put their political views aside and maybe
597
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:49.119
share informations information regarding this or whatever, maybe we could
598
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.960
come closer to finding an answer as to what some
599
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:57.680
of this stuff is so long. That'd be nice, wouldn't
600
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:02.599
it be nice if everybody would just get along? But anyway,
601
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:08.279
so you you mentioned Skippy. If I found this snippy,
602
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.519
I keep saying Skippy. That's why BJ texted me Snippy.
603
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.400
I'm thinking skippy, peanut butter on my mind.
604
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.319
Again, You're not You're not alone. A lot of people
605
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:18.720
do that.
606
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.319
Snippy. I know it's snippy. It's snippy, Snippy, Snippy Snippy.
607
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:28.160
I saw this. I think it might have been on
608
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.839
your podcast where you want to know. It was on
609
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.079
Small Town Monsters, And we'll get to that here in
610
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:39.839
a few minutes, where Shannon Lgroe was doing an episode
611
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.279
where she was talking to the gual who has Snippy
612
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.079
the horse. The skeleton remains Snippy the horse. And I
613
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.319
just thought that was such a fascinating topic because you
614
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.240
always hear about cattle mutilations and all this stuff, and
615
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.319
I know I just don't listen. BJ, Come on, you
616
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:03.480
should know this by now, where was that going with this? Oh?
617
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.519
I think it's you hear, but you don't hear. You
618
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:11.039
don't hear much about horse. So this where this is
619
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:17.640
such a cool subject. So here is Skippy.
620
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.519
Snippy right now?
621
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:20.839
God?
622
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.440
So you can you can see Snippy.
623
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.119
Yeah, you can see Snippy at the UFO watch Tower
624
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.279
in Moscow, Colorado there in the San Luis Valley. Judy
625
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.839
Messelin owns the UFO watch Tower. I just love her
626
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.279
to death. So yeah, his remains went through a whole
627
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.440
plethora of different encounters and he ended up in a
628
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:44.039
box car.
629
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.680
And so he's on display there.
630
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.519
And what's kind of important about that we were able
631
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.440
to take really good pictures of his skeleton because one
632
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.200
of the very first things, you know, in the late eighties,
633
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.160
Snippy turned from a three year old male gelding Colt
634
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.279
into a female horse named Lady. And so this was
635
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.720
the big This was a big controversy and an unknown
636
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.519
and for many over thirty some years, the app profiles
637
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.720
were not accessible. They were basically missing for all intents
638
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.759
and purposes, and that the APRO, just like the Rocky
639
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.240
Mountain Ranch, they were the ones to investigate Snippy along
640
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.920
with you know, the Condon Committee and others. But all
641
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.119
the photos and records and documents were all with APRO
642
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:35.119
so they go missing, and for reasons we don't understand,
643
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.079
Burrow Lewis decides to tell like Lynna, Milton Howe and
644
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.839
Chris O'Brien that no, it wasn't Snippy, Snippy's lady wasn't
645
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:43.960
a male, it was a female.
646
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:44.880
Blah blah blah.
647
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.400
So Carrie King finds me, we meet. He's having his
648
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.160
big Snippy event August twenty second through the twenty four
649
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.319
so it's just right around the corner. If you happen
650
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:55.839
to be in the area, you should try and make
651
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.680
it out to that. Right there it is. There's a
652
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.759
lot of great, great speakers. I love the events that
653
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:03.640
he's doing out there. Now he's going to make it
654
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.079
an annual event every year, So if you can't make
655
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.559
it this year, make plans for next year. It's usually
656
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.199
end of August. They chose to do it on you know,
657
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.639
moonless nights, so you can't get better. It's a dark
658
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.679
sky territory and like Marky and TONI will be there
659
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.039
and they'll be sky watching and things like that. Doctor
660
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.039
Shock will be there, The Navajo Rangers are going to
661
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.599
be there, and many others. You can go to Snippy
662
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:30.360
twenty twenty five to see more information about it. But
663
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.320
they're going to do this annually. And so last year
664
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.639
when we were there, we got to talking about was
665
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.000
it Lady was a Snippy? Now, this was before Dave
666
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.599
Marler acquired the appro files at the National UFO Historical
667
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.360
Record Center out there in Real Rancho. So, to make
668
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.880
a long story short, I go out to visit as
669
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.840
soon as he opened the doors, to go see what
670
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.320
I can find out of their original ap profiles on
671
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.440
the Rocky Mountain ranch, because you know, I'm a little
672
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.239
you know, selfish. It's kind of the case, right, and
673
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.079
Dave does. I'm sitting there researching and he plops down
674
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:09.320
just stacks of folders like that thick of the Snippy
675
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.440
case and photographs and auto recordings that haven't been heard
676
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.440
in over thirty some years of Nelly and Ben Phillips
677
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.159
the sheriff, and just all this mind blowing information. In
678
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.159
one of the first photos that I was like aunt
679
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.960
texting and Carrie right away was the original the only
680
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:33.800
known picture of Snippy alive with mother Lady and what
681
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.159
I loved about these photos, and there was a lot
682
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.119
of them. There are so anybody can go visit and
683
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.440
see these things in person. But back in the day,
684
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.119
when you'd go to like get your film developed and
685
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.440
you'd get your pictures, you would write on the pictures,
686
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.400
you know, like this one. And so there was no
687
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.280
doubt at that point.
688
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.639
So let's go to the one where you see a.
689
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.840
Big gray horse with a little cult, little Snippy cult.
690
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:56.840
We'll start there.
691
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.559
Let's take off, but I will talk about that one
692
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.559
and why you're finding that. One of the first things
693
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.039
we learned was there were four horses pastured on the
694
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.559
King ranch, and what wasn't really known. There was a
695
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.039
black horse named Smoky. There was Snippy, the three year
696
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.719
old gelding colt, Lady, a dapple gray, and Sheba, another
697
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.199
brown horse. Well, Smokey, the big black horse was killed
698
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:26.239
the week before Snippy, and at the time they thought, well,
699
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.039
maybe he just got bit by a rattlesnake because there
700
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.639
was a little swelling in his hip. But he was
701
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.760
fourteen hands high and a twelve hundred pound horse. A
702
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.480
rattlesnake won't kill a horse like that, not that big.
703
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.440
Only if it gets it right on the snout or
704
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.039
the throat because the face the snout will swell up.
705
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:48.000
So Smokey's death remains a mystery as well. What else,
706
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.400
there was a lot of different pictures of calves and
707
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.800
cows that were going blind, that were having strange hoof
708
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.760
growth like radiation. And then there's a ranch next door
709
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.800
to King Ranch that were having multiple animal deaths of
710
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.960
cow and so much so they named it the Dead
711
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.360
Cow Ranch. So it wasn't just Snippy in the valley.
712
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.199
Within within this year's nineteen sixty seven, I think there
713
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:19.760
were three other horse mutilations too, none as profound and
714
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.800
with the evidence that Snippy had, but there was a
715
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.480
lot of animal deaths in the valley. To this day,
716
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:26.760
there's still animal mutilations in the valley.
717
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.519
Wow, here's that picture of I think that's it.
718
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.480
Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's the one that's the one with
719
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.559
the document. So it's like one of those pictures in
720
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.599
a folder. And I love it because that document basically said,
721
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.800
you know, here is the eight x ten and it
722
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.360
states right in that document from the date that this
723
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.519
is Lady Snippy's mother and little three three year earf
724
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.360
that that pictures I think Snippy was a month old
725
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.599
and he was born in Estesburg, Colorado, by where the
726
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.800
Stanley Hotel is. So that's where Snippy was born, and
727
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:59.119
nobody ever knew that before we had all the whole
728
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.400
provedence of how Snippy where he was. He was born
729
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.159
in Essas Park and then he was pastured in Denver
730
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.519
for a couple of years and then moved to the
731
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.719
Saint Luis Valley. But that's his mom lady right there.
732
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.840
So it was really cool. By the way, straight and
733
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.239
get that right, get the name right, the sex, the
734
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.559
sex of the horse right and everything.
735
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.440
And by the way, I wrote the name Snippy on
736
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.760
a posted note and I'm posting it on my monitor
737
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.960
so I could read it and know that it's Snippy.
738
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.159
We kind of speculate when reading the reports and the documents.
739
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.039
So Nellie King lived with her mother, Agnes, and Agnes
740
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.239
King was in her eighties, and they described Snippy as
741
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.239
being very playful and just you know, you know, like
742
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.719
kind of proud, a proud pony. And Agnes King compared
743
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.280
Snippy to Jackie Kennedy because you got to remember nineteen
744
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.760
sixty seven, Jackie O is really popular at the time.
745
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.320
And of course Jackie O's a female, so she's quoted
746
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:58.960
as saying, oh that Snippy is just like Jackie Kennedy,
747
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.159
So that might be kind of whare the confusion of.
748
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.239
The sex started. I'm not sure.
749
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.239
Yeah, it's a thought, but we we don't know why
750
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.239
Burrell changed it later. We it might have been that
751
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.440
he just wanted the story to go away, so he
752
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.880
was going to muddy the waters. We're not sure because
753
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.559
he also stated that well, Snippy was a horse I rode,
754
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.920
which is not true either because Snippy, he might have
755
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.079
been referring to Lady Snippy was never saddled or showed.
756
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.199
Snippy in the document said he was only taught to
757
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.960
holton lead, and the week after his mutilation he was
758
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.679
said to be trained to be saddled. So there was
759
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.079
so much information in this.
760
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.159
Yeah, oh well, Amy Creole brings up a little question.
761
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.480
Seems like most animal mutilations target females.
762
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.920
That's true with cows and also a lot of calves.
763
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:50.880
And we don't know.
764
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.760
You know, I've heard many different theories on animal mutilations,
765
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.639
whether it's the copper and the blood, and we do
766
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.800
know they take the soft tissue the eye the tongue,
767
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.599
the general Norwegians, certain organs, blood drained. But what's really
768
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.159
interesting about the Snippy case from sixty seven, This was
769
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.039
really the first case. So in the audio recordings you
770
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.280
can hear Nelly and Burrel and the others on the
771
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.480
King Ranch talk about all the commonalities we know now
772
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.519
is just common, like, oh yeah, the ConA silence, everything
773
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.000
fell silent. No other animals would touch it. So there
774
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.000
was a really cool map of the crime scene basically,
775
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.199
and they even put on there that you could see
776
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.440
coyote droppings and coyote prints because it had rained, so
777
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.800
you could see all the footprints around Snippy and the
778
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.920
other animals would not go near Snippy high radiation readings
779
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:47.320
outside of a circumference of where Snippy lay, But as
780
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.920
you got closer to Snippy they went back to normal,
781
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:51.559
which is opposite of how it should be.
782
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:53.880
The strange things.
783
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.239
Snippy's bones when they found him, they were like bleach white,
784
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.280
as if he'd been laying there for years, and then
785
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.159
a week later they turned bright pink, and then a
786
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.920
week later they turned black, So really strange.
787
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:08.960
Strange holes in the ground.
788
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.880
There were these strange animal prints that come out of
789
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.960
nowhere disappear. Now they don't look like sasquatch, but they
790
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.719
look strange. At first, I'm like, maybe they can be bear.
791
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.760
But the stride was wide. And what's weird is there's
792
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.039
no other prints, like.
793
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:23.880
If it was a bear.
794
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.000
And I think you have that picture too of that
795
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.239
weird footprint around Snippy.
796
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.320
Where did the bear go? Where did the other prints go?
797
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:35.159
So why do they just vanish? And there are a
798
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.360
lot of cases out now? Oh, this is a picture here,
799
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.039
we can this is I believe it was a year
800
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.079
later they put a post where Snippy lay and you
801
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.719
could see just like the snowless circles where nothing grew,
802
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:51.039
that's where snippulay. A half later and they put a pole. Yeah,
803
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:52.920
and it stayed like that for a few years, like
804
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.159
three years. Nothing would grow where Snippy laid.
805
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.800
Let me see if I can find that picture.
806
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.199
You could just go through them and I can talk
807
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.360
about him if you want to.
808
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.960
Okay, Okay, so we got it'll be easier. We have
809
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.480
this one already that's late.
810
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.880
And that's Burrow, Lady and Snippy again, more documents stating
811
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.960
that that's Snippy and Burrole and and lady the mother
812
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:32.480
that's the book cover and back and it was so cool, Linda,
813
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.400
how she was great. Oh so there's one of the
814
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.719
only pictures we have of Smokey, the horse that died
815
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.280
the week before, and that's Nellie Lewis who owned Snippy,
816
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.039
and mother Agnes when I was just talking about And
817
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:46.000
the horse that Agnes is holding is Sheba. So those
818
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.360
were the four horses. Like I said, Smokey died the
819
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.239
week before. That left three horses, and that right there
820
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.199
is Sheba. And then we had Lady, the big ray
821
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.360
that can be confused with Snippy, and then Snippy gotcha.
822
00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.719
Now here's these were.
823
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:00.000
In the photo.
824
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.719
Sick calf and Harry King corral black angus bowl and
825
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:07.440
calf were blinded approximately the time of Snippy's death. So
826
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:11.039
that's very interesting. And another thing that's really important to
827
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.519
talk about here is right around Snippy's death there were
828
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.880
these smashed Chico brushes and kind of split right, and
829
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.320
in one of these Chico brushes, Nellie King finds this
830
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.519
weird what she describes as a tool, and she said
831
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.320
it was like a skin colored gizzard shape thing and
832
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.800
she picks it up with two sticks and starts poking
833
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.360
at it. And this green ooze comes out of it,
834
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.159
and she describes it in the audio tapes and the
835
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.199
documents and everything. Well, the person who was with her
836
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.559
when she found this strange tool and there was you know,
837
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.960
tufts of Snippy's hair on it and everything burned her
838
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.519
hands for like an hour until she washed them. But
839
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.000
Ernest Wellington was with her when she discovered this tool
840
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.199
and the Chico brush. Ernest Wellington passes away a week later.
841
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:03.079
Now we don't know if it's related to that. In fact,
842
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.159
his daughter reached out to her. She lives in Australia now,
843
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.960
and I asked her about that. I'm like, do you
844
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.840
think your father's death had anything to do with this
845
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.320
strange tool you found around the Snippy site? And you know,
846
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.920
some people believe it was connected and others don't. But
847
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.639
to me, that's a pretty like he wasn't sick or
848
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.199
he didn't have cancer or anything. He just dies a
849
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.960
week later. And then we have animals point blind human
850
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.239
Harry King went blind. So there's a lot of really
851
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.119
scary migrant headaches, heart palpitations, things like that, people being
852
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.800
rushed to the hospital. Harry King, you know, nothing's wrong
853
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.000
with them. He checks out fine. At the same time,
854
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.280
they're having the hum sounds and seeing strange things fly
855
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.800
over the valley. People for years, even before the Snippy Site,
856
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.480
would see craft fly in and out of Mount Blanca
857
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.039
right there at the base of the valley. So a
858
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.159
lot of strange things like that going on.
859
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.320
So you mentioned the animals going blind. Would that be
860
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.639
from the radiation? And because on I think it was
861
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.400
earlier this season on Skinwalker Ranch, they had a cow
862
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.960
that was going crazy and they look closer and its
863
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.519
eyes that were all white. I mean, was that something
864
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.079
similar to what's happening with these other animals.
865
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.639
Yeah, very much. So that's why it's so important to
866
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.719
take a look at these old historic cases because we
867
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.639
know so much now, more now than we did then.
868
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.119
And to take a second, there was even a box
869
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.239
encounter sighting out there in the valley, so all these
870
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.760
things are really important. When they looked at this case, originally,
871
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.360
they weren't looking for cryptis, they weren't looking for boxes,
872
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:44.519
they weren't looking for you know, radiation poisoning in different
873
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.639
effects in all these other cases, So it's so important
874
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:49.840
to go back and look at that. But yes, that's
875
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.920
something I was just recently reading going through some documents
876
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.800
that I have, is there was a researcher and the
877
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:59.159
name escapes me, but back in the late seventies.
878
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.920
To early eighties that were they.
879
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.960
Were looking at hundreds of calves and cattles, and like
880
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.400
your listeners said, a lot of females because they are
881
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.920
a lot of female cattle that get mutilated. And they
882
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.599
were finding you like like they were tagged or marked
883
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.239
ahead of time. So whether it's our own military tag
884
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:23.039
in these animals, I personally have come to believe after
885
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.320
all this time, that it's maybe both, that maybe we
886
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.800
have done some of them, meaning we the military CIA
887
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.000
black access projects, maybe testing for mad cow disease of
888
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:39.800
nuclear fallout. I know Christopher O'Brien mapped out like nuclear
889
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.960
test sites and looked at the mutilations and connection to those,
890
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.679
and I think that's probably true in some of the cases,
891
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.440
but it certainly doesn't answer for all of them. Just
892
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.719
like you know the millers out there in Trinidad where
893
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.880
you have them falling and landing in trees and and
894
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.480
even Snippy it had rained so you could see even
895
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.800
bird tracks that mentioned there's no footprints, there's no truck prints.
896
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.960
There's no nothing, and there's a map. If I will
897
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.199
continue on, I'll tell you about that when we get
898
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:13.159
to it. Okay, all right, And just another shebhone lady
899
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.079
yeah or yeah, she won lady. This is Elle les
900
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.840
lady and I love these because of the confusion with
901
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.880
this one was like, oh my gosh. So in the
902
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.719
reports it said that Lady and Sheba were very friendly horses.
903
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.039
They would come and take sugar cubes from your hand,
904
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.039
they said after Snippy's mutilation, and they were with Snippy
905
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.760
when this happened. They got skittish. You could see his
906
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:41.199
tail down. They got afraid of anybody tried to take
907
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.320
a picture of him. It would freak the horses out.
908
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.039
They got really skittish. And this is a picture of
909
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.199
Alice in One of the APRO investigators says Lady, Snippy's mother.
910
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.920
These two horses, Shebuh and Lady, were the horses that
911
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.880
were with Snippy and Pasture when killed. Only witnesses to
912
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.559
Snippy's murder, so to see these were.
913
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:08.679
Just yeah, you know, if only animals could talk, you know, yeah, right,
914
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.480
you know, good thing dogs can't talk, because my dogs
915
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:13.760
would be would shut up anyway.
916
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.000
And this was a comparison. We kind of went a
917
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.280
little crazy and like we had the bones, you know,
918
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.519
tested to make sure they were male, and they are,
919
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.039
but we just kind of matched. This is us kind
920
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.400
of matching the patterns on Snippy's legs. And Snippy was
921
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.960
an Appaloosa part ofple Lusa. So you can see on
922
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:37.199
the the photo where I think we have that photo
923
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.280
in there, you can sort of see the Applealoosa spots
924
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.400
on Snippy as well. So we were just kind of
925
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.800
showing that, you know, it's not Sheba. The coloring doesn't
926
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.000
match on the legs. Yeah, this is the weird print. Yeah,
927
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.679
isn't that strange? It doesn't look like a sasquatch. I
928
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.679
don't know those ridges on it, you know, it doesn't
929
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.480
even I've tried to compare it to bear. But again,
930
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:00.599
where are the prints? Where did the bear go?
931
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.199
It's like there, I mean, it kind of looks like
932
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.119
a kind of looks like a bear claw, but there's
933
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.400
an awful lot of clause.
934
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:12.719
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's unusual. Again, where did
935
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.480
the other prints go?
936
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.800
I don't know, yeah, exactly.
937
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.039
And then and they the report, I believe the report
938
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.920
said it's that I believe there was a seven foot
939
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.239
stride in between the prince and a bear doesn't do.
940
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.280
That, so I don't know.
941
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.280
Wow.
942
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.360
Yeah, there were strange crypted like platypus creature scene out
943
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.440
there as well. At Lake Como. This was mcfederie boys.
944
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.000
They were curious after you know, the story went viral.
945
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.119
Cool mustang.
946
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.519
There they went out in the valley to a lot
947
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:43.000
of people.
948
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.760
I mean, everybody was skywatching in the valley and that
949
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.559
was just a strange light that made the front page
950
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:49.800
of the paper at the time.
951
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:51.639
Strange light, but cool mustang.
952
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:56.000
Yeah, this is cool. This is Don Richmond, one of
953
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.480
the APRO investigators, talking to Lonnie Zamora from the Lannie
954
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.000
Zamora of Socorro, New Mexico in nineteen sixty four case.
955
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.519
And they, you know, at the Sacoro case, they took
956
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.480
castings of the imprints of the craft scene there and
957
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:14.239
here they had imprints. They had these strange holes in
958
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.559
the ground that weren't horse tracks or anything else. So
959
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.480
they compared the tracks with castings and stuff, you know,
960
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.280
and that was cool to know. I never knew that
961
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:26.400
about the case either. So here they are comparing the indentations,
962
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.559
which by the way, weren't really a match, but really
963
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:30.920
cool that they at least did that.
964
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.119
So, getting back to the Prince, Barb had a question,
965
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.599
how big were the those bear looking prints?
966
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:48.000
Yeah, I believe they said they measured yeah, like maybe
967
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:56.119
twelve twelve inches foot. Yeah, I'll double peck that though,
968
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.079
I want to be certain on that. But they were
969
00:50:59.119 --> 00:50:59.800
pretty large.
970
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:03.599
They weren't little. Yeah, this was a map. I was
971
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.079
telling me about this. So in the archives when I
972
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.760
pulled this out of the file, it's literally like this big.
973
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.239
It's huge. I'm like, how do we get a pure
974
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.119
this thing? It's like, yeah, it was.
975
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.360
It was big that they took the time to do this.
976
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.639
And you can see, you know, they have the coyote droppings,
977
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.400
and then here to the right and below Snippy you
978
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.639
see these little marks that look like a circle.
979
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.880
Those are where Yeah, those.
980
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.719
Right there, that's where Snippy was milling. So on another
981
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.079
map you could see the prints of the three horses
982
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.199
that were still there because Smoky had died the week before.
983
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:37.800
Yeah.
984
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.239
Oh, that's the other thing. So if you go to
985
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.400
that one that's a close up of Snippy, you could
986
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.000
see they put the applesas spots on them. And you
987
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.840
can see that. They made sure they noted his back
988
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.400
leg was broken, and you can see that in the
989
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.519
photos as if you know he was dropped, his back
990
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.760
leg was broken. Another thing that isn't reported and not
991
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.199
well known about this case. His back left leg was
992
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.840
also bare of flesh and hair, just like his head
993
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.599
and neck. So that was really interesting as well. But
994
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.239
it marked. You know, also on that map there were
995
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.519
three fence posts that were just sheared off like butter
996
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.960
right then, So right over here are the three fence
997
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.440
posts up there at the top, right where it circled.
998
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.000
That's where they found this tool and the Chico brush.
999
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.599
So it was just a really well drawn out map
1000
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.119
of all the strange holes and the tools and all
1001
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.039
the evidence. And I had no idea there was that
1002
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.039
much evidence in this case. I was just like floored
1003
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.000
by all this. Yeah. See there's some of the strange
1004
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.440
holes around the Chico brush and they're not friends that.
1005
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.079
I don't know what those were. But you could see
1006
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.280
the Chico brushes, you know, split in half, just like
1007
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:48.920
at this Scoro site in Yeah, smashed and split.
1008
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:50.960
Kind of weird boreholes or something.
1009
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.639
I don't Yeah, I don't know if they maybe something
1010
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.320
was testing. This was awesome to see. So here you
1011
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.440
have and the fact that they wrote on these two
1012
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.320
his knee, but you have the three horses, Sheba, Lady
1013
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.480
and Snippy, and it's like something was corraling these horses.
1014
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.440
So they could see the tracks because it had brained right,
1015
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:11.599
so they could see him very clearly. Then you could
1016
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.880
see two horses run off back to the ranch house,
1017
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:18.280
Sheba and Lady. You see Snippy milling, and then Boom
1018
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.159
is dropped with no tracks in between. So he was
1019
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.840
picked up by something or someone and.
1020
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.719
Dropped the Yeah, the three tracks end right here if
1021
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.440
you can see my arrow there, yep. Yeah, and then
1022
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:31.800
Snippy is clear over here.
1023
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.320
Wow, yeah, yeah yeah, And the two other horses run
1024
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.280
run back. And then after that event they were spooked.
1025
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:39.599
They were never the same after that.
1026
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:41.360
Oh, I can imagine.
1027
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:41.920
Wow.
1028
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:46.199
And then that's how I mean this.
1029
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.000
One I wanted to include. Sorry for the graphic nature people,
1030
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.679
but you in this picture you could see how his
1031
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.480
back right leg is broken and his back left leg
1032
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.239
is bare, just like his head and neck. And at
1033
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.880
this point his his bones turned black. And we have
1034
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.679
pictures of them pink, and we have pictures of them white.
1035
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:06.840
Let's get it off those pictures.
1036
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.519
Yeah, another one lady in Sheiba with Alice Richmond, just
1037
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.719
you know after the event, right, that's it right in
1038
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.039
the pasture where Snippy was mutilated there.
1039
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:22.199
Yeah, yeah, speaking of has anyone estimated how far Snippy
1040
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.360
not Skippy was dropped from?
1041
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.960
Yeah, that's a really good question, t Bone. In fact,
1042
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.079
so we're kind of sticklers Tony Angeola and I for
1043
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.840
like going through everything we could possibly dig up on
1044
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.519
this case. And that was one area where there were
1045
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:38.519
pretty wide discrepancies. Some of them said twenty five feet,
1046
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:40.920
some of them said two hundred and fifty feet, So
1047
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:45.039
but it was you know either or you know, it
1048
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.639
was away from where he milled, so it's not like
1049
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:48.280
he could.
1050
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.239
Have just flew over there, you know what I'm saying.
1051
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:55.000
But there was a discrepancy between investigators and audio recordings
1052
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:58.599
and things on that. So we chose to just kind
1053
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.920
of like in the book, there's there's a lot of
1054
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.280
pictures in this book. This book is worth getting just
1055
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.719
to see these original pictures, and we just said, you know,
1056
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.360
we're going to leave it as it was written at
1057
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.320
the time. So we talked about that one already that's
1058
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.199
where he was. It put a stake in the ground.
1059
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.079
We got the opportunity to go back to try and
1060
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:19.920
find that. We couldn't find it, so I'm sure they
1061
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.400
removed that steak. But here this is where it says
1062
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.360
three horses running as illustrated below ben King track. These
1063
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.960
three horses and the tracks went from one side of
1064
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.599
the pasture to the other. Two horses continued on to
1065
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.800
the King ranch Snippy was found. See this one says
1066
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.639
two hundred and fifty from where the other two tracks
1067
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:41.960
led to the ranch. So this information related to apro.
1068
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.280
Wow.
1069
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.800
And this is the most this This picture right here
1070
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.159
was the one pretty like I think it was a
1071
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.199
week after Snippy was found again. You could see the
1072
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.480
bare back leg, the broken back leg. You could see
1073
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.760
his markings on his on his legs, but you could
1074
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.559
see the apple looosa spots on this one. Yep.
1075
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:12.360
Yeah, and that's the last one we have. That's how
1076
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:16.800
yeah or Snippy? When? How how long was was Snippy
1077
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.559
laying there until it was I guess safe to move
1078
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.000
or cleaned.
1079
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:22.480
Up or yeah?
1080
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:26.079
Yeah, Nelly wanted to make sure, like you know, I
1081
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.480
think there were the Condon Committee and others that wanted
1082
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.079
to take him, and she's like, no, that's why he
1083
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:33.960
kind of ended up where he did. He went this
1084
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.320
whole prominance of where his bones went. But she's like,
1085
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.280
they just want the story to go away, and it's
1086
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:41.360
too important to just go away because there was just
1087
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:45.239
so much evidence with it, and they even did testing.
1088
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.119
So in the book we have lab reports from you know.
1089
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:48.760
The Green News.
1090
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:50.639
A lot of people don't know there were Green News
1091
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:56.039
and exhaust marks, burn marks around the horse holds, this strange.
1092
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:57.639
Tool, and on and on and on.
1093
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.760
And then you add the unfortunate death of Urn Wellington
1094
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.679
and all of that information on top of it. It's
1095
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:08.039
just super sad. But something was going on out there
1096
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.280
in full disclosure too when I was really researching the
1097
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:15.280
San Louise Valley, because there were many sightings of strange
1098
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.480
craft and things in the valley even before like in
1099
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.800
nineteen sixty six. We have reports and before Snippy. But
1100
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:25.039
one thing I didn't realize is that that area. NASA
1101
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.000
has used that area for a lot of their moon
1102
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.920
landing testings and things like that because of the rock
1103
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.519
and the just the terrain. You know, you have the
1104
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.079
Great sand Dunes right there and I'm like, so, isn't
1105
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.719
that interesting? Could that account for a portion of some
1106
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.360
of the unusual sightings or things in the valley? NASA
1107
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:48.039
being out there testing things. So I just thought that
1108
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.360
was interesting. I had never known that, And I've lived
1109
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.119
in the state for a long time and I never
1110
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.000
knew that. And to this day they still use it.
1111
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:59.320
Yeah, yeah, and you know they will never come clean with,
1112
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.920
you know, saying what's out there. So I mean, I
1113
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:05.920
guess we'll never know. And Tennessee Kentucky Bigfoot brought up
1114
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.320
a good point. Don't ask chat GPT. The strangest thing
1115
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.519
about Snippy you get locked with this. Your request was
1116
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.760
flag as potentially violating our usage policy. Very interesting.
1117
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.599
Why I've never seen that before.
1118
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.360
That's you know, I almost want to go over and
1119
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:22.840
try that.
1120
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.679
I know we're going to have to go try that now,
1121
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:29.639
Tennessee Kentucky Bigfoot. I mean, that's a frustrating thing for
1122
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.440
us too. I mean, it's nobody's fault. And like Linda,
1123
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.400
Linda Maulton, how is so gracious because we're like, I
1124
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.000
was like hesitant. I'm like Linda because the kind of
1125
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.239
rumor of the name change and all that kind of
1126
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:43.880
started with her when she investigated or interviewed Burl and
1127
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.639
I didn't know how she was going to take it,
1128
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.400
and so we had a long conversation on the phone
1129
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.599
and I'm like, look, you just went with what he
1130
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.280
told you. I mean, he's the guy. Of course you're
1131
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:54.000
going to believe him.
1132
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:54.760
And you didn't have.
1133
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.199
Access to all the photos in the original documents and
1134
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.719
all that. And she like on the back of the
1135
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.440
book the quote from Linda, and I love it. And
1136
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.519
then she was so sweet and sent me some books
1137
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.039
and stuff. She said, cheers to a lot more truth
1138
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.639
about the universe, were in full of consciousness in life,
1139
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:13.159
and then she wrote the she wrote a little letter
1140
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.960
in the front of the book from Linda. Howe here
1141
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.039
letter from Linda. So I was so happy about that
1142
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.119
because I was so worried about it for a while.
1143
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.280
Same with Chris O'Brien, and unfortunately we lost Chris O'Brien,
1144
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.760
but same thing happened to him. I mean, it only
1145
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.039
went with what he knew at the time. And we
1146
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.960
just Tony and I just recently did a presentation in
1147
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.280
Ala Mosa at the library and that was awesome. It
1148
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.159
was a small group, but there was a lot of
1149
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:41.039
people who knew Chris O'Brien and you know, old timers
1150
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.840
that knew of Snippy and remembered the event, and they
1151
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.920
were so thankful and just super kind about like, hey,
1152
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.719
you know, I'm just presenting like now we have access
1153
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.280
to the pictures and the files, and we need to
1154
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.400
set the record straight on on this case because it's
1155
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.320
an important case. It's one of the very, very first
1156
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.440
recognized animal mutilation death cases. And you mentioned too, you know,
1157
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.880
you don't hear a lot about horse, but even Linda,
1158
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.719
how's a strange harvest in Elbert County there were reports
1159
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:17.360
of horse mutilations, dog, sheep, cow, and talking with Paul
1160
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.480
Sainclair in the UK, they were kangaroos. I've even heard
1161
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.280
of mutilations and like sea creatures, so you know it
1162
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:28.320
targets not just cow and unfortunately.
1163
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.119
And you also kind of wonder, I mean this was
1164
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:37.480
back in sixty seven, right, how many animal mutations were
1165
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.800
even before this? I mean, UFOs have been supusedly spotted
1166
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:48.039
way back in history. Yeah, how long have these animals
1167
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.679
been being I guess abducted and mutilated and dropped back
1168
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:52.320
down to earth?
1169
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.880
Yeah, probably longer than they've been reported. And it also
1170
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:59.039
makes me wonder too, Like we re report and we
1171
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.440
recognize were animals that are domesticated.
1172
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.199
Or that were raising for food, but.
1173
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:08.000
What about elk and deer and rabbit and raccoons and
1174
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.880
animals we don't track, you know, it makes me wonder
1175
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:11.559
about that too.
1176
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.280
Yeah, very interesting stuff, very very you know. I just
1177
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.480
find ever since I first heard of Snippy, I just
1178
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.920
am fascinated with it, and then I discovered all your
1179
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.159
information on it, and I'm just like, wow, this is
1180
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:28.880
just really really cool stuff. Really to me, it's just
1181
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.360
the fact that there's hardly any blood, if any around
1182
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:39.519
these It's just yeah, it's and where where does it go?
1183
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.480
What are they doing it for? And all these organs
1184
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.880
are being removed? Why? What? Right?
1185
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.480
There was a black tar around Snippy? They had that
1186
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.360
black tar tested, they had the tool tested.
1187
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:53.440
So all that's in the book.
1188
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.760
And like even the cover of the book, this was
1189
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.840
from the original approfiles. This was an original drawing, so
1190
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.760
you could see the artist name there in the one
1191
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.320
on the back too, So I'm like, oh, we have
1192
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.199
to put that on the cover. Unfortunately, we can't run
1193
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.239
at for the book to sell. The book because it's
1194
01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.280
too graphic, so you know, if you could support us,
1195
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.119
you know, it's worth having the copy and having the photos.
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01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.159
But it's also on kindle and audio book, and I
1197
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.360
just it's in approval of the hardback books coming out too,
1198
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.679
so you'll be able to get in hardback soon. But yeah,
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01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.199
it's such an important case and I'm so happy. And
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01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.639
we spent seven months on this, that's all we did
1201
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.159
for day in and day out, and we lived and
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01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.840
breathed and to work with the actual King family on
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01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:35.280
it to how cool is that?
1204
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:37.400
So it was really a collaborative.
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01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:38.480
Yeah.
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01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.639
Yeah, and you could go to Amazon.
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01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:43.039
Thank you, Pamela.
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01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.039
Awesome. All right, let's shift shift gears a little bit
1209
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.719
here and talk a little bit of a little bit
1210
01:02:52.719 --> 01:03:00.480
of cryptids. Did you have you come across come across cryptids?
1211
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:05.039
Yeah? Yeah, so again there's just that's the thing with
1212
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:09.440
these High Strangers locations. It's just the trifecta of all
1213
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.719
these different things and even the mutilations. For the longest time,
1214
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.800
I'm like, I don't even need to research that because
1215
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.679
you know, Chuck Sukowski, Chris O'Brien, Linda Howe, they've got
1216
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.320
it covered. But at some point you can't ignore it,
1217
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.000
like and now beyond skinwalk or have other ranchers that
1218
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.920
hour having mutilations. But the cryptids, that was like you
1219
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.360
know how it is, goes over here, cryptis over here,
1220
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.360
blah blah blah. So it wasn't even my wheelhouse. However,
1221
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:40.639
at the Rocky Mountain Ranch, many reports of sasquatch. But
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01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:44.039
what's really interesting about that is and even my sister,
1223
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.599
I don't know if she talks about it on the episode.
1224
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:48.840
I think she does it in her interview. And this
1225
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.559
was interesting to me because again I only saw it
1226
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.559
when you guys saw it. So they're at the bar,
1227
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.519
I think as Paul is interviewing my sister and she's
1228
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.280
talking about the bangs on the house during that night
1229
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.320
of the scary night of the Voice, I forgot about
1230
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.159
the bangs on the house. But all through the report
1231
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:09.760
on the Rocky Mountain Ranch, these sasquatch were seen like
1232
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:11.760
over by the barn, and I have a memory of that,
1233
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.800
and I believe my sister had a sasquatch encountered the
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01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.960
prom night. But they were menacing. They were like, you know,
1235
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.840
sasquatcher said to throw rocks and things. These things were
1236
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:23.760
banging on the house.
1237
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:25.719
I don't know what that's about.
1238
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.920
Also, when I was with moof On and I ran
1239
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.400
the moof On Mars program, which is basically redacting all
1240
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:34.639
the old paper files. So there was over ten thousand
1241
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:36.880
files in there, and I had a team of fifteen
1242
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:39.199
and we worked out for like three years. So we
1243
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.679
got to see all these cases. And one of them
1244
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:47.199
was the Ohio Pile, Pennsylvania creature case and it had
1245
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:53.519
multiple witnesses, police circles on the ground, animal desks and
1246
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:58.400
cryptids and bigfoot and just like at Skinwalker Ranch, they
1247
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.719
shot at one of these things and it's just vanish.
1248
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:05.440
There's also a strange bird sightings in Elbert County of
1249
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.639
these like pterodactyl type of birds or these strange phoenixes.
1250
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.800
And that first episode when we're in the back of
1251
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.719
the ranch house and the rocket guys are there and
1252
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.840
we're shooting the little rocket because the idea was shoot
1253
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.800
the rocket and we're gonna poke the hornet's nest, just
1254
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:23.239
kind of hey, we're here and we're getting ready to
1255
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.280
shoot the second rocket. These guys like the rockets anyway,
1256
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.599
so we're getting ready to shoot their second rocket and
1257
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.960
these these rocket guys are on Skinwalker Ranch and they
1258
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:37.119
do the Beyond rockets and this one particular guy, all
1259
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.639
of a sudden, he like doubles over in pain, and
1260
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.800
it had happened to him before, like it. For whatever reason,
1261
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.320
the phenomenon targets this guy. And while that's going on,
1262
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:48.800
we hear what sounded to.
1263
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:53.039
Me like like large bird, like a big cute and
1264
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:56.400
we're like so much so that we took the We
1265
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.119
took the crew back to try and see if we
1266
01:05:58.119 --> 01:05:59.519
could see any evidence of it.
1267
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.199
That's how loud the bird flapping was. It wasn't like
1268
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:03.719
a hawk or any or eagle.
1269
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:05.639
It was a big flapping of a bird.
1270
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.559
Couldn't find anything, so they didn't put it in or anything,
1271
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.239
but it was what was interesting to me about this guy.
1272
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.599
I'm like, so you get affected by something. I'm like,
1273
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.559
I have a question for you. I'm like, do you
1274
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.760
have any ties or your father or mother to the military.
1275
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:24.480
And he's like, well, why do you ask? And he goes, yeah,
1276
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.920
I do, and write before he even can say it,
1277
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.079
I said it with him. I said Navy, I see
1278
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:33.480
that so often. It's Navy number one. And then I
1279
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:37.679
hear Air Force Army in the Marines, but Navy people,
1280
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:40.880
I don't know if they target Navy families, ET's are looking.
1281
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.519
It would make sense to me if you were an
1282
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:46.559
extraterrestrial and you wanted to find out about humans humanity,
1283
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.639
you would look at the military families and the military
1284
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.679
people because they're the ones that are worrying, right And
1285
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:54.480
so I'm like that kind of makes sense because I
1286
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.840
hear it over and over and over and over again,
1287
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:01.000
you know, or if you're in black access projects, like
1288
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.440
the kids of these families are sometimes targeted, just like
1289
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.079
people in state hospital or mental institution or compromise people
1290
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.039
will be targeted as well for these black access projects.
1291
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:20.280
So to our military children and families, I'm trying.
1292
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.880
To decide which question I want to ask. I got
1293
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.400
so many, I got so many, So I'm gonna go
1294
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.400
with Barbara right here. Not being sarcastic, but I wonder
1295
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.079
what would happen if you threw rocks back. I don't
1296
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:36.840
know that I would want to find out. I mean,
1297
01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.639
I think it's pretty safe to say that they're throwing
1298
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:44.360
rocks not trying to hit you, but to kind of
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01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.760
warn you to get the hell out of wherever you're
1300
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.440
at for sure. I'm thinking throwing rocks back might anger
1301
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.840
them more. I mean they have I'm sure they have
1302
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.360
fantastic aim, and they're aiming to not hit you. And
1303
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.519
if you're not seeing where you're throwing and you just
1304
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:05.280
blindly throw something, you're probably going to hit it. Yeah,
1305
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.559
and that might not be a good thing.
1306
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:11.880
Right, Definitely a warning. The only bigfoot Sasquatch encounter I
1307
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:16.399
personally have had. I owned a cabin in Bailey, Colorado,
1308
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:20.439
just maybe five miles from the Sasquatch out post in Bailey,
1309
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:25.199
and so we what's interesting about this encounter. It was
1310
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.600
right off the highway, So I thought, well, I'm never
1311
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.560
going to see a bigfooter sasquatch. We live right off
1312
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.319
the main highway. But what was really strange about that.
1313
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.479
I had a swing chair in the back of my
1314
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:36.800
little cabin and we had just put in like a
1315
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.159
six foot water feature, like waterfall feature, because I wanted
1316
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.279
the sound of water, and we had just put that in.
1317
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.840
I was sitting out there waiting for my now ex
1318
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.920
husband and my daughter to get up there and my
1319
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.560
youngest son, Tyler, and I hear like a huge knock
1320
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:53.960
in front of the house. I'm like it kind of
1321
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:56.720
what was that? Right? But I didn't think bigfoot or
1322
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.720
sasquatch at first, But what happened after that was the
1323
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.560
most It was the most disgusting smell I've ever smelt
1324
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.680
in my life. It was like a dead body smell.
1325
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.720
I'm like, Okay, it scared me. So I went in
1326
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.119
the house until they got there because it was just
1327
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.079
dusk when that happens, it was dusk, and in my mind,
1328
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.640
I'm thinking, was this creature curious about the water feature
1329
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.159
we just put in or something? And then so the
1330
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:23.319
next day, when it was daylight, I'm out there with
1331
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:27.239
my son and daughter looking for any evidence hair footprints.
1332
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.960
We couldn't find anything was really dry, so it wouldn't
1333
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.439
have left the track. But that's the only encounter I've
1334
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:35.159
ever had with the bigfoot was that, And it was
1335
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.840
the smell. I'll never forget the smell, and it was
1336
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.680
it wasn't a bear. I don't think it was a bear.
1337
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.359
It could have been, but I don't think it was.
1338
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.279
I mean, maybe my mind was if you stuck me,
1339
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:46.119
but I don't know.
1340
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:49.720
And you know, if it's if you're smelling it, that
1341
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.199
would mean it would be relatively close. So that's kind
1342
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:55.039
of scary right there.
1343
01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:58.119
I mean, I'm like, I'm going in sign locking the doors.
1344
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.119
I wouldn't go back up there until they got there,
1345
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:01.399
so someone was up.
1346
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:05.479
Yeah. I mean I've never had a bigfoot encounter or
1347
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.720
any kind of other cryptid encounter, So I think the
1348
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:12.600
closest thing that I've ever been to was at And
1349
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.239
people in chat know this. In a Mais Christa the
1350
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.920
co my co host on Saturday nights, who can't be here.
1351
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.439
She's out at a Mais, uh doing a ghost hunt.
1352
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:26.520
She had a recording of some kind of odd howl
1353
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.159
that she could not explain, and she has sent it
1354
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:34.720
to several different people and it's come back. It's not
1355
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:40.000
a wolf or or not anything around this area. And
1356
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:42.640
a Mais is like an hour away from me and
1357
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.560
Martha's Ville, Missouri, so it's not far. So could it
1358
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.880
be bigfoot dog man? Maybe you know who knows what
1359
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.840
it is? And uh, you know we've been out there
1360
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:59.319
checking it and stuff. What do you wouldn't think of
1361
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:08.560
the reports of UFOs flying over nuclear bases and you
1362
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.640
kind of brought this up with Ron Murphy the other night,
1363
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:18.560
and what do you think about the UFOs over the
1364
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:22.920
nuclear sites being able to turn I guess, activate them,
1365
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:25.560
but not really launch them, but be able to kind
1366
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:29.199
of mess with the controls in the bases. What are
1367
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.000
your thoughts on that?
1368
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.399
Yeah, UFO and Nuke's great book. But you know frances E.
1369
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.039
Warren and Cheyenne, Wyoming, So there's a really well known case.
1370
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.000
In my first book, I wrote Letters of Love and Light,
1371
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.720
which was basically three years going back and forth to
1372
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.880
the Heritage Center in Laramie, Wyoming, going through doctor Sprinkle's
1373
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.840
seventy boxes of archives. Now I found out Richard Haynes'
1374
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:52.680
archives is there as well, So I have been digging
1375
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:56.000
through that and there's Yeah, so I was just past.
1376
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.000
I got lost in people's letters to doctor Leo Sprinkle
1377
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:01.680
from around the world, like pulling. So I pulled like
1378
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.359
all the juicy parts out and organized them into chapters
1379
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:07.159
and stuff like that. And in that doing that, I
1380
01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:11.239
came across a lot of information about Francasy Warren nuclear
1381
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:17.600
you know, sightings, multiple sightings on radar, multiple witnesses. Fascinating case.
1382
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:21.640
But we're out there investigating the Carl Higden case and
1383
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:24.159
I get a phone call from a guy who who
1384
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.000
lives his family. They grew up right across from Francasy
1385
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.520
Warren and they had seen UFOs and crazy stuff for
1386
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.000
decades out there. And then I learned that there was
1387
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.800
another huge wave in the eighties of the same kind
1388
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.000
of thing. So do I think whatever can turn on
1389
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:41.920
and off our news?
1390
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:43.359
Yes, I do.
1391
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.279
There's too many really good, credible reports and the fact
1392
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.359
that I'm beyond Skinwalker, you know. And this is where
1393
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:51.640
I don't know if a lot of people know, but
1394
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:56.319
Andy's background Andy Bustamante on that show, he served over
1395
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.880
there in Montana and witnessed that nuclear incident and stuff
1396
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:02.560
like that, So I think that's kind of what sparked
1397
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:04.079
his interest, if I'm not mistaken.
1398
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:09.439
So yeah, for sure, Yeah, that's just to me, that's
1399
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.399
just scary that something can come in and just completely
1400
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:19.520
overtake our bases and could wipe out humanity if they
1401
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.880
wanted to. I mean, do you think do you think
1402
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.279
it's just kind of a warning them showing hey, we
1403
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.840
could do this, don't mess with us.
1404
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:33.960
Or well, interestingly enough, on Rocky Mountain Ranch now again,
1405
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:38.640
I have the waters are muddy because of this mysterious
1406
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.920
John Duke that lived on the ranch who claims to
1407
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.079
be part of Air Defense Command. In the reports he
1408
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:48.880
talks about taking legal LSD. And then after not two
1409
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:53.279
years ago, at contact in the Desert, we interviewed a
1410
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:57.680
woman and her mother. Her husband was deep into CIA
1411
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.399
Black Access projects and they owned a lot of the
1412
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.920
property over the Dulce Base and they talked about FM,
1413
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:07.239
which was freaking magic, which is a mixture basically MK
1414
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:10.039
ultra crap. There's evidence of MK ultra stuff on the
1415
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:14.119
Rocky Mountain Ranch, right, yeah, yeah, there is, so the
1416
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:19.079
waters get muddy. But this particular gentleman claimed in the reports,
1417
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:21.279
the Apple reports from the ranch, that there were two
1418
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:25.600
types of ETS seen on the Rocky Mountain Ranch. One
1419
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.560
type was the blonde, blue eyed Nordic type and the
1420
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.000
other type were the tube guys that we talked about
1421
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.680
with Paulsimani, you know, the wrinkled guys with the tubes
1422
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:39.520
and you know, very mechanical. In fact, if that disembodied
1423
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:43.399
electronic voice belonged to us an ET, it would be
1424
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.319
the twob guys, Like it would make sense to me.
1425
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:49.439
But in those documents and what I've come to kind
1426
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:53.600
of think in my in my own mind that basically
1427
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.439
what was stated was if you leave us alone, we'll
1428
01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:59.840
leave you alone. That these two types of ets were
1429
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:02.640
in conflict with one another, and it would make sense
1430
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:05.479
to me that two B guy kind of went the
1431
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.520
way of AI artificial intelligence, and you hear about that
1432
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:13.039
with the Grays, very robotic little grays, and then the
1433
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.359
Nordics are more sentient, you know, they didn't go the
1434
01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:19.479
way of AI, and maybe that's what the conflict is about.
1435
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.079
What's interesting to me about that is and you talk
1436
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:24.239
about the nukes and everything, and it ties into that.
1437
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:28.720
I think we're being observed and to see where we're
1438
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.359
going to go. Are we going to go neurallink? Are
1439
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.439
we going to merge with AI? Are you know we're
1440
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.560
going to go onto the big singularity? What's going to happen?
1441
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:37.800
Is it going to be a split off with some
1442
01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:40.039
people stay this way and some people go that way.
1443
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.239
I don't know, but I kind of feel like that
1444
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:45.079
would make some sort of sense to me. That could
1445
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.199
be what their conflict is about, and maybe that's why
1446
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:51.520
they're kind of watching us. I do feel if they
1447
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:55.319
do have that capacity to just wipe us out. I mean,
1448
01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:58.760
you know, this has been going on for we can't
1449
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.079
stop them and for seventy plus years or maybe thousands
1450
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.640
of years if they were back here in antiquity. So
1451
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.640
so far we're doing okay. I think we're more of
1452
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:08.600
a just a curiosity to them. Let's see what these
1453
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:10.479
guys are going to do now if it came to
1454
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.399
the point, we're going to destroy our planet out right,
1455
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:14.920
and we're going to start nuking at each other. And
1456
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:18.680
I think they care about our planet, not us, you know.
1457
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.000
I think to us, they're like, oh, we're curious about
1458
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.920
these guys. What are they going to do? But I
1459
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:26.439
think they wouldn't let us destroy Earth. Whatever that means
1460
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:27.640
for Earth, I don't know, but.
1461
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.159
You know, I guess, depending on the day and my mood,
1462
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.680
I'm kind of all over the place with this. I
1463
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:38.239
kind of think sometimes that it's, you know, us from
1464
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:40.840
the future coming back and saying no, no, no, no, don't
1465
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:42.960
do this, don't do this, no, no, no, okay, we're on
1466
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.399
the right course, now, get back on track. And then
1467
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:52.520
other times it's are these beings really from stars far
1468
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:58.800
far far away? I mean, possible wormhole could be right
1469
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:02.960
here too. I mean, Skinwalker Ranches has proved that well,
1470
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.880
they have approved it, but they've shown possibilities for that,
1471
01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:08.800
and you know, things coming in and out of lakes
1472
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:12.479
and oceans and stuff, you know, who knows. Like I've
1473
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.319
always said, what better place to hide than in the
1474
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.760
ocean where no one has ever really investigated much?
1475
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.119
And I love this thing that David Pilatates talks about too.
1476
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.760
Oh thanks again, Pam. One thing I love that David
1477
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:27.119
Platts talks about on the Missing For one, when the
1478
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.520
UFO connection, he talks about the Higden case and he
1479
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.279
talks about aquifers. So after he kind of talked about that,
1480
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.119
I was curious about the aquifers at Rocky Mountain Ranch
1481
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:42.399
and courtiously enough, right where the ranch sits two aquifers
1482
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:45.279
come together. One has a higher water table, one has
1483
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.720
a lower table, the Denver and the Dawson aquifer. But
1484
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.680
what's fascinating is a lot of times where these aquifers
1485
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.479
are they open up caverns and tunnels. Another theory. Right
1486
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:57.960
with all the hums and bangs and sounds underground, you
1487
01:17:58.000 --> 01:17:59.960
have Nora Red, you have you can kind of map
1488
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.920
about from Dulce to Stapleton or Denver International Airport. It
1489
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.680
was Stapleton at the time. But so it makes me
1490
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:09.520
wonder about underground tunnels. It also makes me wonder about
1491
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:13.359
cryptids that might live underground live on you know. You
1492
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:17.960
hear the rumors about Dulce, so yeah, under the oceans
1493
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:20.960
are they just here? You hear hollow Worth theory, all
1494
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:23.399
these different theories. So I'm just like you call where
1495
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:25.920
it depends on the given day. Sometimes I'm like, it's
1496
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:30.439
all the military or you know, and then other times,
1497
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.880
because then you have these incredible cases from very credible
1498
01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:37.159
pilots and people, Okay, there's more to this.
1499
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:40.760
And perhaps it's it's a mixture of all this stuff.
1500
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:42.359
I mean, who knows, and and other days I'm like,
1501
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:43.600
you know what, forget it. I just want to watch
1502
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:48.439
sports and go to sleep, you know whatever. In the
1503
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:52.800
last ten minutes that we have here with with Katie you,
1504
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.399
we can see you as well on some old episodes
1505
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.680
of Small Town Monsters. That's that's where I first uh
1506
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:04.359
discovered you or found you on on the little Roundtable
1507
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:10.079
discussion panel with Ron Murphy, Micah Hanks. Who else is
1508
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:12.239
on there? Had the bosure was on there? And there's
1509
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:17.760
one more I'm missing, Ah it was the.
1510
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:25.159
Host ad is the host.
1511
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.720
Is the host and the other one I can't, Oh
1512
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:38.039
my god. But anyway, that was such a UFOs revisited.
1513
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:41.119
I forgot that too. Actually I'm not gonna lie, but
1514
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:44.920
I mean it was. It was such a great little
1515
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.600
series that you guys did tell us a little bit
1516
01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:52.079
about how that came about and and an interesting thing
1517
01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:53.720
about how it was all filmed.
1518
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.439
Yeah, I mean, that was a fun little trip and
1519
01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:59.640
a great round table. And I love that they brought
1520
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:02.680
kind of you know, Ron Murphy with his cryptis and
1521
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.000
you know, they brought different disciplines in and I love
1522
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:07.600
that because I think that's so needed in this field.
1523
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.479
For me personally, it was a little bit of a
1524
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.239
challenge because every episode was a deep dive on My
1525
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.000
favorite one is The Men in Black.
1526
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:17.439
That was a good one.
1527
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:19.680
All of them are really good, but some of them
1528
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:22.079
I had to do some homework on. And then what's
1529
01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:26.680
challenging for me personally challenging was it was hard to
1530
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:31.199
balance my opinions because, like you, Paul, sometimes I'm not
1531
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:36.479
overly like there's certain cases that I have a hard times.
1532
01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:40.680
It's a reach for me to believe some of it.
1533
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.159
And I think all of us kind of had that challenge.
1534
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:44.319
It was. It was filmed in.
1535
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:49.319
This beautiful theater, beautiful, beautiful, it was. It was amazing,
1536
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.680
But it was hard to find that balance because certainly,
1537
01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:56.800
I'm open to everybody's experiences and a big part of
1538
01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:00.079
me now with the whole you know, are we I
1539
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:04.079
mean in this kind of matrix kind of thing, are
1540
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:06.640
we manifesting? And if that's true, if we're in a
1541
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.039
virtual kind of reality kind of situation, then it kind
1542
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:16.960
of anything goes right. So I can't dismiss outright if
1543
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.720
that's the case. But it was challenging to kind of
1544
01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:23.159
find that that middle ground of being respectful. I'm always
1545
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:27.039
respectful of everybody, and I have an ear and I
1546
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.000
listen and I consider it. So I found that challenging.
1547
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:31.039
But I love that they.
1548
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:33.079
Opened it up like that, and and it's one of
1549
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:35.520
the few shows out there that really did that. Like
1550
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:38.159
Aaron Deese did a good job of saying, well, he
1551
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:40.560
kind of like what AJ does on WI Files, like
1552
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.880
here's the facts, but is it true, and here's why
1553
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:46.600
it might not be. You guys decide, And they kind
1554
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:48.760
of did that in a sense where we just had
1555
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.960
this roundtable discussion and kind of here's what we know
1556
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:54.840
about it, here's what we think about it, and now
1557
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:56.840
you guys make you make your own minds up. And
1558
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.680
I love that kind of platform. Really, it's it's good
1559
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.520
sit in the individual's hands and let them kind of
1560
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:05.760
look at all the evidence.
1561
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:07.800
So yeah, it's fun.
1562
01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.359
What did you do before you got into all this stuff?
1563
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:16.640
Because you see, you're a very meticulous researcher. I mean,
1564
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.560
you go, you cover, you try and uncover it as
1565
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:21.920
much as you can. You're very thorough.
1566
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.640
Thank you. Well, I I nobody's ever asked me that
1567
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.840
question before, believe it or not. Nobody, Yeah, nobody. So
1568
01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.600
I worked with ILC kids in middle school and behavior
1569
01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:37.199
disorder kids in high school and middle school for a while.
1570
01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:39.640
So I worked in the school district. I also raised
1571
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:42.640
five children on my own. They're all grown now. I
1572
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.279
have two beautiful grandkids, and so i've kind of I
1573
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.319
also I was a bartender for a while, just a
1574
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:52.960
short while. Yeah, and then I got my degree individual
1575
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:55.920
visual communications, so graphic design. So I worked for travel
1576
01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:56.720
host magazine.
1577
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.680
You know when you go to the.
1578
01:22:57.560 --> 01:22:59.319
Hotels and you would see the maps of all the
1579
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:03.079
hot spots. I designed those maps, and that's very intricate
1580
01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:06.600
and detail orient oriented. So I did that for a while.
1581
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:10.359
There you go. Yeah, I was. I was picturing some
1582
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:14.800
kind of free letter agency where you are police department,
1583
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.239
where you had to research all these criminals or so.
1584
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:17.760
I don't know.
1585
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:19.800
No, I don't.
1586
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.239
Like courthouses, hospital or police stations.
1587
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:29.039
Yeah, okay, I'm with you on all those. We had
1588
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:30.039
a comment back here.
1589
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:32.159
Yeah.
1590
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:35.239
Really literally, stay away from the hospital. You're great. Stay
1591
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:36.239
away from the police station.
1592
01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:37.600
You're in the courthouse.
1593
01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:40.920
Congratulations on your family, Katie.
1594
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:41.239
You.
1595
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:46.680
Amy also said she really likes your cool background, your
1596
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:48.520
studio background. It is really.
1597
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.880
All over here is all books too.
1598
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.399
I'm just kind of a booky. I wish I had
1599
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:57.680
time to read them all. It's like one of those
1600
01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.600
things that we'll go grab them for reference and just
1601
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.399
go to the chapters or read the you know. Yeah,
1602
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:05.359
but one of these days, my later years, I'll be
1603
01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.039
able to slow down plenty to keep me busy, especially
1604
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:09.039
if we lose internet.
1605
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:13.399
I'm good. Yeah, you're good for a long time. And me,
1606
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.760
I just have a couple of pictures and I don't
1607
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.600
show the mess that I have in this corner.
1608
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:22.640
So there, shut the door. Don'tate to see it.
1609
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:25.119
That's right, that's why, that's why the doors are not
1610
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:30.760
see through. And once again your Rocky Mountain Ranch Research
1611
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:36.279
on Wednesday night, eight o'clock Central, seven Mountain correct, I
1612
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:37.640
get that right, yep.
1613
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:43.319
And nine o'clock Eastern Live every Wednesday night and next
1614
01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.479
Wednesday we have Jeff McBurnie from Mount Wilson Ranch, So
1615
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:47.800
that's going to be a fun one.
1616
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:49.479
Talk about Howard Hughes.
1617
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:54.199
One one quick question and I don't know how quick
1618
01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:58.640
this will be for an answer, but you've been to
1619
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:00.640
a lot of places and if if you guys go
1620
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:04.159
to Rocking mount Ranch Research podcast, you'll see that she's
1621
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.199
been to a lot of different places and interviews and
1622
01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:12.039
research and stuff. Is there one or two places that
1623
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.600
you have not been that you would like to go?
1624
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.520
Yes? I always wanted to do a ghost ton on
1625
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:23.680
one of these like these old ships. What is the
1626
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:26.920
one in California that said to be really haunted? You
1627
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:28.760
know the aircraft carriers.
1628
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:28.960
All like that.
1629
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.399
Yeah, I've always wanted to do that. I always wanted
1630
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.439
to a I just love those old ships. Anyway. My
1631
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.640
dad and my grandfather were both Navy, so I'm like, oh,
1632
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:44.199
that would be cool. The penitentiaries and seen Mary tysically. Yeah,
1633
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:49.159
specifically to like my half brother was at Pueblo State,
1634
01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:51.319
So I always had a kind of like, ooh, these
1635
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:54.000
old mental hospitals that are abandoned. I know there's some
1636
01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:56.720
famous ones that are said to be really haunted. That
1637
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.640
would be an interesting one. I did two different tours
1638
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.800
with ghost We went to the Saint Augustine Lighthouse that
1639
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:06.560
was amazing, had unbelievable results there, and then of course
1640
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:08.920
done the Stanley. Did the Stanley a couple of times.
1641
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.159
You know, the ghost centers have their like events. They
1642
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.920
do so way back in the day. Kind of started
1643
01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.800
in that world and then kind of shifted to the
1644
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:20.800
ranch what happened at the ranch? But yeah, so many places.
1645
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:22.359
I dislike that kind of stuff.
1646
01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:23.720
It's interesting.
1647
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:27.920
If you ever get to the Midwest area, we'll take
1648
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.960
you to a mais. That's an old asylum and there's
1649
01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:35.840
a part of it in there where a nurse actually
1650
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:40.199
scalded herself to death in a bathtub. And I've been
1651
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.760
in there, other guys have been in there. You can
1652
01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:46.479
actually sit in the bathtub, not together, but you can
1653
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.520
actually sit in the bathtub. Nothing really happens when the
1654
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.880
guys are in there, but when the women sit in there,
1655
01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:54.920
the place goes crazy.
1656
01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:57.159
That's nuts, you know what.
1657
01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.720
So with my ex husband, when you're for an he
1658
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:04.000
got us a night stay in the Stephen Kingroom at
1659
01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:09.000
the Stanley and okay, yeah, so what's funny is and
1660
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:10.680
this could be why we're divorced. I don't know. But
1661
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.399
we're there and I'm all excited. I have all my
1662
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.000
equipment and all this stuff. He takes a nap and
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I'm just like, we're in the Stephen Kingroom and you're
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taking a nap. So I was bored for like a
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couple hours. And of course at the Stanley Hotel, people
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will come and get their pictures right in front of
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the door, right the famous Stephen Kingroom, and I would
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stand by the door and wait for somebody to come
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and rattle the chain or shake the handle.
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And it was good friends that.
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I was good friends with the ghost tour person at
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the Stanley at the time, and I'm like, I have
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a confession to make.
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And she loved it.
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She's like the guests love it. But in that bathroom,
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in the Stephen Kingroom, there's that tub, and I'm like,
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there is no way I'm going to be able to
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take a bathroom that tub.
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It's Stephen kingroom. Forget about it. You know what I
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did and nothing happened. It was I was.
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Surprised, so I can say I checked that off my
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bucket list. But yeah, that was a pretty fun thing
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to do, so bad that.
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I love that story. That's something that I would do.
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It's funny.
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Well, Katie, thank you so much. This has been a
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very very quick ninety minutes. I really appreciate you coming
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on here again, and I just I love hearing your
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research and I love hearing you tell your stories. It's
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and guys, go over and make sure you subscribe to
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Thank you, Thank you, guys, thanks for having me.
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Always a pleasure anytime. You're always welcome here. All right, guys,
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have a great night. Thank you all for watching Donny
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Chu's coming on here in about where am I at? Oh,
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he's probably started, And then make sure you check out
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BMR at eleven o'clock Central over on his channel with
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Late Night with the Girls and stuff. So everybody have
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a great safe week weekend. We will see you Tuesday.
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I have a lady a Seline on Tuesday night, so
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make sure you check in for that one. So everybody
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have a great night and we will see you later.
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Thanks again, Katie, thank you.
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