Architecting Longevity: The Role of Environment - Episode 287

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Glad Longevity Podcast.

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I'm your host, Dr.

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Jeffery Gladden.

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And today we are going to be going on a journey that I find incredibly interesting, which
really has to do with architecting the environments we reside in to actually help support

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the mission of longevity.

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It crosses over to several different things, but we have Claudia von Bozenleger.

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I hope I didn't mess that up too badly.

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ah Yeah, pretty close.

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and, um, she's working with a company called Lamarra that, uh, we're excited to hear more
about.

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So Claudia, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much, Jeffrey, for having me back on.

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Such a pleasure and excited to dig into all things longevity and health.

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So, yeah.

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So bring us up to speed a little bit on what you've been up to with Lumera.

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Yeah, amazing.

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I think that, and you'll know yourself that this industry is just exponentially booming.

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you know, myself being in the space and through also my podcast that I have as well, you
get to meet so many amazing, wonderful people and speaking at different conferences, et

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cetera.

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And you get approached by so many people that are keen to either, you if they have a
clinic to upgrade the clinic or real estate developers want to have, you know, a wellness

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offering that's more longevity, biohacking focused.

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to hotels, et cetera.

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And I've decided to, or we decided with my business partners to come together.

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So we have a longevity clinician on board, m Ashley Madsen, who, you know, Stanford train
multiple trainings across different things.

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then Alexander, who is our biohacking equipment expert through personal challenges with
Hashimoto's disease, et cetera.

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so yeah, with Lumara Collective, we really wanted to help clients who have

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potentially gotten burnt in the past to know what to do.

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And by burnt, mean the following that people, there's so much happening in this space that
someone will put on Amazon a red light panel and be like, this is the red light panel to

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have.

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it's, they're disappointed when it falls apart that, you know, they spend all this money
on it, that it doesn't work, et cetera.

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And so we want to really um help clients to have the best of what's available.

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And that includes

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from the longevity cutting edge protocols to the biohacking equipment and stacks and
marrying the two essentially complementing each other if they have the staff training with

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that.

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And even looking around things like the environment, how do you create these regenerative
environments from copper flooring to NASA tested plants to air purification, et cetera.

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So that's kind of in a nutshell.

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Yeah, no, it's fantastic.

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You know, in our world, we understand that the environments that we reside in are really
key factors.

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It's important to uh try to have as much goodness there as possible, uh as little badness
there as possible.

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And it kind of crosses over not only into air and water, but like you're talking about
construction materials and, ah you know,

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even humidity levels and things like that.

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So a lot of things that I think people don't think about as actually really having an
impact on their global health and therefore longevity.

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think also even the uh colors that are in the environment, as well as the sounds that are
in the environment, uh being able to tune the nervous system into...

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you know, different states of relaxation or attention and focus.

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All those things become really, really important when you think about how do we optimize
the human experience, right?

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So, yeah, very fun playground.

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You're in a big, yeah, big sandbox.

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Yeah, it's a fun sandbox and globally.

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you know, I think it's also combining ancient practices.

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Because if you look at the concept of Feng Shui, you know, this is a thing about getting
the right energy and the right flow and things like that too.

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you know, as an interesting anecdote, friends recently, the whole family discovered they
were all neurodivergent.

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They didn't realize that.

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And the kids through their diagnosis were like, you know, actually, I'm

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now I understand myself a little bit better, the coloring of our living room I don't like,
I really struggle with.

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So they've repainted it and then the whole family just is actually using the whole living
room space again as well.

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And so these are little nuances, but when we get to understand the impact or direct
environment, particularly our home or our office where we spend a lot of time can have on

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us, making refinements, maybe going down the rabbit hole, understanding what is possible
is so important.

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you know, looking at non-toxic paints, right?

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Or even the cleaning products we use, you know, people are optimizing everything and then
they're using super poisonous cleaning products on their desk and then they're standing

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there inhaling all the toxins for the next hours.

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these little things that we forget about, but are so essential to our overall wellbeing.

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And then they're wondering, you know, later I've got such a headache or, you know, they
have the door open and there's heavy traffic outside while all the exhaust from the cars

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are coming in and they're inhaling it as well.

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So.

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without overwhelming people, it's trying to help, know, what are the steps that could be
taken to start optimizing that environment?

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You know, I was seeing some really interesting data on forest bathing, uh which
essentially means going out and spending some time in the forest.

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And I think it was in Japan they were doing this and it was, people were going out for
like three or four hours at a time and was having a dramatic impact on their heart rate

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variability, their sense of stress, their sense of life satisfaction for the next week,
actually.

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which is really interesting too.

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So it's really, I think, important to think about the fact that each of us lives in
multiple environments, right?

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We live at home, we live at the office, but then we also live on business travel, we live
on vacation, and we also live in sort of a recreational space, right?

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When we get out and we do the thing that we enjoy doing outside.

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And I think being able to kind of be intentional about each of those and understanding the
interplay between them can be super helpful, right?

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There was an interesting study also that I saw that uh they were measuring stem cell
release uh in monks that were meditating and they would put themselves into a theta state,

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right?

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A theta brainwave state, which is a deep meditative state.

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It's just above delta, which would be sleep.

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So it's in that hypnagogic state or pre-sleep state, but it's a very deep and profound
meditative state.

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And they were noticing that there was a 40 % increase in stem cell.

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release into the body, correct, right, to heal whatever was going on.

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Right.

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So when we're talking about, know, we talk about what we're going to go to these stem cell
therapy and exosomes and all these other kinds of things.

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In many ways, we sort of need those things because the environment we put ourselves into
is very toxic and it can be toxic in many ways, you know.

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So anyway, it's kind of cool.

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I think the more you can bring in some sense, the outside inside.

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Yes.

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people feel, fresher the air is, the more tranquil the paints are, the smells that are
there, all that kind of thing.

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So I don't know if, I'm sure that's something you guys are factoring in.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But I love what you picked up there.

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And I think that's so important for people to realize.

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And in the Western society, we've been brainwashed to believe that we need something
external.

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We need a pill or we need some external help to solve a problem that we have or whatever
it might be.

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And that exactly goes to show that instead it's like, not train or incorporate a practice
where you are training your delta brainwave states?

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Mm-hmm.

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And theta brainwave states, you know, even going into alphas is super helpful as well.

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Instead of looking for external modalities and why not sort of looking at your schedule
and knowing, okay, I need to be in the office this amount of hours and I have then the EMF

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exposure and all the things going on.

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But let me carve out maybe, you if you live near a beach, maybe on the way home, I'll just
walk for 10, 15 minutes on the beach and then rebalance myself and get that beautiful, you

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know, magnesium in the air and that calming effect of being by the sea.

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And so it's trying to figure out, how can you incorporate these little nuggets of goodness
to recalibrate and allow your system to be in that beautiful homeostasis state that it

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wants to be and less affected by all the different insults, essentially all the different
factors that are happening on a regular basis to it.

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So yeah.

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It makes you wonder if we um could move predominantly from Oasis to Oasis to Oasis, right?

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Like we're here in the office, create this as an Oasis, you know, with plants and oxygen
being released and CO2 being taken out, things like that.

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You get in your car, maybe there's a way to architect a car that's more of an Oasis,
right?

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Or then you get home and then, right?

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Well, yeah, right.

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And probably not an electric vehicle with all the EMF, right?

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So.

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There are many, many interesting things here, but then you go into your home, then you go,
you know, go into your garage for that matter, right?

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And, kind of looking at it all through the lens of how would we optimize this with kind of
an Oasis mindset?

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And then there are places where you do want to be excited.

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You do want to be, you know, whatever.

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It's not about being calm.

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It's about being, you know, whatever, being able to step into those as well.

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um So there's almost a journey that each of us goes on in the course of a day.

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um

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It could almost be mapped out as a roadmap of what does anybody go through in the course
of a day, right?

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And how do you architect each of those things, including the bedroom, your sleep, you
know, with a toothpaste we use.

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Exactly.

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So.

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optimal time is to set yourself up, like have some sort of morning practice, right?

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Which we know is so essential to when are you able to access best flow state for that
creative work?

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So you can really be in your zone of genius and make something amazing versus the more
administrative, the phone calls and the emails and whatever else you need to do in the

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other part of the day.

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And so I think the more we're able to structure that it's phenomenal.

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And one area I'm also very passionate about is, you

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How do you kind of biohack around the female bio rhythm and helping women actually
understand that, you we're not little men and you know, while men have the 24 hour

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testosterone cycle, women have a 28 on average day cycle and we're four different people
in the space of a month.

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And so if you know what superpowers you have at different phases of the month, utilizing
them versus trying to fit in.

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And, know, I'm speaking as someone who began a career in investment banking at Goldman
Sachs where it's very male dominated environment.

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And sometimes you could

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know, keep up and perform.

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And other times you're just like, my God, I'm so overwhelmed.

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It's four in the morning and I still haven't finished what's going on, you know?

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So I've learned a lot since then.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I think that's a really wonderful thing to bring forward um because, um you know, women,
you could say they go through four different personalities in course of a month,

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hormonally based.

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um Men go through changes as well, not as predictable in some ways, right?

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And so, but the point is, I think if you have the ability to architect your cycle,

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to where you know the things that are going to be supportive to you at this portion of the
cycle or things that you're going to want to expand into at this portion of your cycle.

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oh That's a really cool thing.

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I don't know if anybody's actually sitting down and mapping that out with women, right?

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I think that would be like a really cool consultative idea, right?

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Like, let's sit down.

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a podcast episode on it.

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If women out there want to check it out, feel free to reach out to me.

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I'm very happy to dive in, especially someone who's been in the corporate world, I'd more
team leaders to be more aware of this and how they can use it to their advantage as well.

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But I also think, you know, looking at it bit more of a meta level, so for men and women,
is also like, how do you want to map out your year?

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and looking at almost at that phase, right?

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So like, what are ideal downtime?

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So maybe if have kids, you know that you've got your summer vacation or certain like
vacation periods, and maybe those are times to be more present, to reset, maybe to plan,

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maybe, you you wanted to spend time writing a book or something where you wanted to take
out from that sort of day to day.

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And then other times when, you know, you're full force, maybe you come back after your
vacation and you're like, all your ideas you wanna get going and looking at that sort of

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longer period of time over a 12 month period.

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of how do you map out your year to have the things to look forward to and those different
rhythms in there so that you can go and then you can have the rest and relaxation, but

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also creativity times as well.

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And so that's a concept that I've been thinking more and more about and how could that be
used for people to structure a life of their dreams, that they're being at their best self

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also on an annual basis, essentially.

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Yeah, I think that's a great, I think that's a great insight.

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I think it's hard for people to think probably beyond a year, like to do a five year plan.

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was just thinking of a 10 year plan.

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It's a little tricky to do that.

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I mean, you can have some sort of global aspirations, but I think you can get, you can get
recently granular in a year, right?

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In terms of dates and holidays and family and vacations or whatever.

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think one of the things that pulls at all of us is the need to be reactive.

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Right.

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In other words, things come up, the unexpected comes up, calls for our attention.

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And even though we have a plan to do something, then we're, we're called to react to, uh,
something as opposed to living in a place of simply being proactive all the time.

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Right.

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So it seems like being able to have a mechanism to go from that reactive state where we
get a little more.

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Not necessarily activated, but we can get a little more activated or at least we get
pulled out of that one place of being to be able to get back to that place of stillness,

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so to speak, or creative space.

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Do you have any tricks around that?

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I do.

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And I walk my coaching clients through these as well.

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So first of all, I help people get very clear on their why, right?

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That true North Blueprint, because I feel like many of us say yes to so many things,
because we're not 100 % sure exactly what it is that we're trying to get to and what our

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purpose is.

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so, you know, obviously first piece is the mindset, but then looking at that true North
Blueprint and then as the next step, it's also looking at

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What is the way to say no to the things that are not in our alignment?

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And there's a few different analogies that I love, right?

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So, you know, things will always come up, right?

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But if you look at something, and this is besides an emergency, child, sick child or
something like this, but, know, a last minute thing or like, Hey, you know, we're going

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Do you want to come, you know, or come to this event, et cetera.

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And so.

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You know, for one of them is like, if there's there isn't a seven out of 10, you only have
an eight, nine and 10 out of 10 or a six and below.

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If it isn't an eight, nine or 10 out of 10, it's a no.

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Right.

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So you need to prioritize your time and know that you only want the things that are,
you're like, wow, I'd love to be there.

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If it's an okay, it's a no because you're deprioritizing yourself, your time, your
creativity, your family or whatever it is as well.

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Or also if you get an invitation six months out and I think, you know, m

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myself included, but also clients are like, but if it's in half a year, it's so hard to
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I'm like, of course I'll have time then.

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what I love to say is that you know how busy you're going to be next week.

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So look at next week, Tuesday.

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And if you would be able to schedule in next week, Tuesday, and you still, then you can
say yes for six months out.

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But if you know that there's absolutely no way that you you'll have time next week,
Tuesday, then it's a no.

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And so by freeing up that time and having just those core components as much as possible
in your calendar,

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when these curveballs sometimes do come up, you have a little bit more wiggle room to
shuffle things around versus having that jam packed schedule.

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And, Jeffrey, like I'm coming from the person who said yes to everything in my twenties
and would sometimes even, you know, embarrassingly be at three events and one evening and

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everyone's angry at me because I came late to one and then I was leaving early and all the
rest of it too, just because I couldn't say no, because I was saying yes to everything and

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to the detriment of things now.

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And, you know, if I go to events now, like my favorite thing is to connect deeply.

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with one, maybe two people.

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And the previous me would be, need to say hi to everybody and connect as well.

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I'm exhausted.

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I haven't had any deep meaningful conversations.

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And I think uh with uh age and wisdom, it's sort of changed perspectives as well.

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So I think having that clarity and taking the time to figure out what is that true North
blueprint for you makes it easier to say no to things and have more time in your schedule.

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So then when things do come up, you then have the tools to say,

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Is this something, okay, emergency aside, right?

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But is this something that I want to do or not?

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And if it's aligned with my mission and what I want to do, then yeah, I'll schedule it in
and I'll make time for it.

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Yeah, I think that's really wise.

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I think some of the greatest life satisfaction comes in the deepest connections, right?

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So whenever there's an opportunity to make a deep connection as opposed to a superficial
connection, that's probably a bit of a bellwether as well, right?

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um I think the other thing is I was thinking, um as you were speaking, was six months out,
sometimes there are things that come up that

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You might not be able to fit into next Tuesday, but they align with a direction that
you're trying to go.

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And it's like, you make the commitment to that because it's like, I don't exactly see how
that's going to work right now, but it feels like I'm aligned with the direction that

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that's taking me and I'm going to commit to that.

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Kind of thing.

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So, so that that's a piece of it.

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at the end of the day, and this is something I've been working on over the last year,
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If it feels right, then trust that.

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And you never know what will unfold as well, but it's a little bit more that analytical,
like, does this 100 % make sense?

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It's like, no, it feels right.

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It's something that would bring me joy.

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So I'm going to say yes to it and let's see what happens.

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So yeah.

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I think that's another really key piece is I think we've all, particularly people that
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it's a skill set that we use at work.

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And so we tend to think that it's transferable into every area of life, whether it's a
relationship or an athletic event, or we're allowing a participator and whatever.

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um I think the idea though of

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feeling into things and certain personality types, I guess, if you look at Myers-Briggs
are more feeling into things than others.

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But nonetheless, think feeling into things and almost using your body's response and your
nervous system response to something because you can think you want to do something.

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But if but if there's still a little knot in your stomach and then it's not excitement,
but it's actually dread, then being able to sniff that out.

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you know, can save you a lot of a lot of heartburn.

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get people asking, you know, how do you tune into that as well?

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And I think one is just pausing, first of all, because we're all like, go, go, go, right?

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So just pausing a second, breathing into it and thinking, do I feel energized from the
idea or do I feel like heavy alone, you know, and just even just checking into that.

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And the more you check in, the more you get used to checking into it as well.

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And then just trusting the outcome, right?

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You can overanalyze and you'll never really know.

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But yeah, I think that's a helpful.

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It's interesting to me that, um, my intuition is almost never wrong.

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Right.

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It's almost never wrong.

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Like sometimes I'll override it.

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And then I, at the end of something, I realized I had it right in the first place.

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Right.

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You know what I mean?

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Jeffrey, with the audience?

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well, you know, there've been a lot of people I've dated in the course of my life where
it's like, there was a premonition that this wasn't the right thing, but it's like,

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there's so many nice things here or whatever.

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But in the end, it was always the thing that I knew right up front that kind of, right.

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guess those are life experiences as well, right?

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And I've also learned personally a bit more like, you know, compassion and forgiveness of
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Like we're not perfect all the time.

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Yeah, there is no there is no self-flagellation here.

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I think I got over that a long time ago.

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I used to be really hard on myself um until I kind of developed a couple of things.

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One was realizing, you know, when you're in when you're in a competitive thing, right,
going to medical school, things like that, whatever career you go down.

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You know, you tend to beat yourself up.

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It's like, well, if I'd only remembered that, or if I only knew this, or if I'd only this
or whatever, and you're never sort of enough, or you're never good enough.

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And at one point I had the realization that I'm not the smartest person in the world.

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I realize that.

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That's okay.

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But I'm actually smart enough to do anything I want to do.

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I'm smart enough to do anything that I really want to do.

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It's like, well, that's good enough for me.

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I mean, God bless me that I'm smart enough to do that, but it's...

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You know, it's great.

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I can do anything I want.

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So it's like, okay, I don't have to worry about that anymore.

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And, and it was, I could just kind of lay that to rest.

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And then I think the other thing was when my son was born and I felt unconditional love
for another human being, it's like, my gosh.

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Okay.

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So then it was, I would give that to myself.

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Um, and then it was like, wow, okay, this feels really good too.

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So when you, so there is no self-flagellation.

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There's really only love.

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And I think a lot of people.

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part of the stress is that they feel like they're trying to measure up.

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They're trying to be something that they feel they're not yet.

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And yet getting to the point, ah maybe you've had your own journey around this would be
interesting to share, but getting to that point where you have unconditional love for

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yourself.

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And if you do something that uh doesn't work out for me, there's no mistakes.

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There's no failure.

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There's only learning situations, right?

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So it's just like, it's just learning.

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It's fun.

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So, yeah.

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beautiful reframing, right, as well.

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And so if you look at this, and I've been on a very long journey and constantly learning,
and I'm an eternal student, forever learning every day.

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But a lot of the stories, those negative stories, particularly, we tell ourselves are from
childhood.

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And it's a child's interpretation of an event that happened.

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And they made themselves

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it means a certain way about themselves.

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I'm not good enough, I'm not lovable, I'm not smart enough, I'm not tall enough, I'm
whatever it might be.

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And it might have been something an adult mentioned knowingly or unknowingly that the
child then just interprets.

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And so I think for people who still struggle with negative self-talk and trying to break
that cycle, it's almost doing, there's different modalities of course around it from...

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that inner child work of looking like, was the first time you experienced that?

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And often people can be like, yeah, well, when I was three and, you know, I missed kicking
the soccer ball or whatever it was as well, my dad shouted at me.

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And from then on, I was convinced, you know, I'm bad at sports or whatever it might be.

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so understanding that was a scenario and that you are not that person.

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And I think it's really separating the ego from the self and being able to do that.

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It is a longer journey and multiple modalities and I've gone down many rabbit holes in the
space.

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Yeah.

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It's really interesting to your point.

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think, um, I think it's really critical in this process to do the deep dive and go back
and understand kind of what happened, who said what, what did I do?

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Who's responsible for what all of that?

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Because without that, I think it's impossible to heal it.

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Um, but I think the other interesting thing is that those activities and events, even
though we've intellectually

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made peace with them, they can still live in our nervous systems, kind of in our bodies,
so to speak.

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And they're still, right.

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It's almost like in the subconscious.

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And what I've been working with is the idea that those were basically imprinted by
experiences.

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And we can do the intellectual work, the deep dive and understanding that's a good tee up
or set up, but it's really the only way to override experience is to overwrite the

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software with a different experience.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right, because when you've actually felt a different experience, then you can live that
experience.

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like, no, this experience now replaces that experience, right?

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Then it's like, now it's really solid.

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It's like, you can never take this away, right?

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Right?

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curious to hear about how you do that.

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for me, there's like one tool I find really powerful is the EFT tapping.

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I don't know if you know that.

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So we know that the body keeps the score, but that's a really, really amazing way to shift
it.

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And another way I found very powerful as well is like looking at back and um Steve Jobs.

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why don't you talk about the tapping so that people are...

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emotional freedom technique, EFT tapping.

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I'm not trained in it, but thankfully a dear friend of mine is and she's absolutely
amazing.

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the first time I did it, I was like, you you just kind of tap along certain meridian
points while you start off.

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At the beginning, you have a session and you basically name the challenges or the beliefs
and the feelings you have around it.

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And then as you tap through with ideally a practitioner, obviously, if you do this many
times, you can do it separately.

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uh

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but you then start reframing like, well, maybe it's possible to see this from a different
perspective and you kind of open yourself up to an opportunity.

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And just through this tapping modality of these different places on your body, it
literally frees and shifts the whole emotional energy and visceral energy, I would say,

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because you don't feel that sameness.

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And after, if it's done successfully and sometimes it takes 60 minutes, sometimes it takes
90 minutes, sometimes it's maybe 10, 15 minutes, whatever you need in that moment.

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it releases that body keeping onto in your field, your fascia, wherever it might be
stored, those memories, those experiences, and you just don't feel that PTSD, that trauma,

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that experience in the same way.

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It's really powerful.

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But I've even done like hypnotherapy, I've done past life regression, even if I've done
psychedelic stuff as well.

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So I've tried different modalities and I'm super curious, as I've mentioned, and super
keen.

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Especially when there's amazing science behind some of these modalities.

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I think it's so empowering for people suffering from different things to try it.

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Yeah, no, think, I think it's, I think it's true.

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I think that the tapping can be very powerful.

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I've done some of that in the past as well around a couple of things that came up.

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And just so the audience understands, we're talking about sort of tapping on your
forehead, tapping, you know, above your eyes, below your eyes, on top of your head, you

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know, and on the side, there's different, different touch points that you touch on your
face and you can touch on your body as well.

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Um, things like that, but it's, um,

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Something about the tapping, it sort of opens up the nervous system to enable it to be
reprogrammed, right?

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And I think this is so key.

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you're wrestling with something and you're listening to this, it's super important to do
the deep dive and understand it.

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But what you're really going for in the end is to be able to reprogram it so that you can
then transcend it.

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And when you transcend it, then you became thankful for everything that ever happened
because now you have more insight, empathy, love, more connection with people around

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whatever they're dealing with.

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Um, but you're not living in reaction to it on any level, not just intellectually, but
even carrying that in your nervous system or in your body's, you know, fascia for that

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matter.

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Right.

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So it's pretty interesting.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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And you start realizing that life happens for you, not to you.

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And I love that.

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Yeah.

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And when you're able to see it from that mellow level is like, well, actually I did suffer
there, but thanks to that experience, it gave me this, this, and this gift.

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And it brought me down this road and whatever it might've brought to.

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So yeah, sometimes it doesn't feel very good.

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I can't admit that as all along the way, but as you move through it, then it's amazing.

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Yeah.

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And for somebody that's eternally curious, as you are, what happens is when something new
happens, you simply become curious about it.

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Like, I wonder what I'm going to learn here.

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I wonder why this is happening, right?

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Instead of going immediately to judgment uh and judging the situation, when that has put
you at odds with it, because it's not right.

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it's...

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victim mentality.

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Why is this happening to me?

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And asking very disempowering questions.

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And there's also a phrase, and I find it really powerful, that the quality of your life is
a direct reflection of the questions that you ask, which is...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so reframing it and asking better questions.

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So like, why is this happening to me?

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No, like, what am I supposed to learn here?

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or like, is the gift in this situation?

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And then it switches already the minds and the field.

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So what are the questions you're asking currently?

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Ooh, good question.

406
00:29:39,597 --> 00:29:48,477
I think for me, know, the Joseph Campbell's hero's journey and I don't know if your
audience is familiar with this, right?

407
00:29:48,477 --> 00:29:58,677
But I believe that within our lifetime, it's like a virtuous circle of continuously going
through this hero's journey and getting to different levels and or depths, whichever way

408
00:29:58,677 --> 00:30:00,217
you want to want to call it.

409
00:30:00,217 --> 00:30:02,237
And so I think now is

410
00:30:02,565 --> 00:30:10,119
I noticed there's so many shifts happening and I think everyone notices this as well, but
there's so much good there too, right?

411
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,751
So yes, bad is always available, but the good is there too.

412
00:30:12,751 --> 00:30:19,755
And so for me now it's really understanding, you know, where do I um have my biggest
purpose?

413
00:30:19,755 --> 00:30:22,796
Where can I help as many people as possible?

414
00:30:22,937 --> 00:30:26,439
And I'm really excited personally about AI and what it can do.

415
00:30:26,439 --> 00:30:30,503
And as someone who's also neurodivergent, I finally feel like, my gosh, my...

416
00:30:30,503 --> 00:30:33,225
brain that loves to do many different projects at the same time.

417
00:30:33,225 --> 00:30:39,430
I can have the AI trains and on different aspects of it and keep up to speed and allow me
to have multiple companies.

418
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:44,685
also have a AI company that we're developing for neurodivergent kids with some business
partners as well.

419
00:30:44,685 --> 00:30:50,433
So thanks to AI, I can do so many multiple things at the same time, which I just
absolutely love.

420
00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:55,114
I guess the questions I'm asking is, you know, what is the biggest impact?

421
00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:59,099
How can I help as many people as possible while at the same time?

422
00:30:59,099 --> 00:31:07,933
being present, being true to myself, not getting into that too cerebral go, go, go, but
remembering to pause, remembering to be present with my kids, because they're growing up

423
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:14,215
so fast and enjoying those little things in life and stopping to smell the flowers along
the way.

424
00:31:14,215 --> 00:31:15,662
yeah, sometimes I'm better than others.

425
00:31:15,662 --> 00:31:16,616
I don't know about you, Jeffrey.

426
00:31:16,616 --> 00:31:18,957
What are your questions at the moment?

427
00:31:19,416 --> 00:31:22,447
Well, I like your reference to the hero's journey, right?

428
00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:31,061
uh I don't know if if you're listening to this and you haven't seen the movie Finding Joe,
um I would go on YouTube and look for this movie.

429
00:31:31,061 --> 00:31:33,872
It's uh it's called Finding Joe.

430
00:31:33,872 --> 00:31:37,614
um I watched it.

431
00:31:37,614 --> 00:31:44,777
I tend to watch everything at like 2X, but I watched the movie at at a fairly fast pace.

432
00:31:45,177 --> 00:31:45,577
But.

433
00:31:45,577 --> 00:31:47,718
um

434
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:54,705
It was really transformative um to see that really all of us are on a hero's journey,
right?

435
00:31:54,705 --> 00:31:58,578
And the question is, what hero's journey are you on?

436
00:31:58,779 --> 00:32:06,946
And I think the premise for me has become really to become the unencumbered full
expression of Jeff Gladden, right?

437
00:32:06,946 --> 00:32:08,998
The unencumbered full expression of Jeff Gladden.

438
00:32:08,998 --> 00:32:10,169
So what's the unencumbering?

439
00:32:10,169 --> 00:32:15,901
Well, it's really unencumbering myself from things that I've been living in reaction to,
right?

440
00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:16,456
Mm-hmm.

441
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:18,477
I've healed and transcended those, right?

442
00:32:18,477 --> 00:32:20,788
And so that's part of the hero's journey.

443
00:32:20,849 --> 00:32:26,532
And then the fully expressed portion is actually once you're unencumbered, then it's like,
oh, well, okay.

444
00:32:26,532 --> 00:32:29,074
Well, maybe we'll do this or maybe we'll do that.

445
00:32:29,074 --> 00:32:31,535
I've always had an interest in this or that, right?

446
00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:41,661
And some of the realizations I've had recently ah spiritually have been that ah when you
get to a place where you feel unencumbered, right?

447
00:32:41,661 --> 00:32:43,142
And you feel empowered.

448
00:32:43,372 --> 00:32:50,917
And if you've been following some of the quantum chips, which if you're in the AI spice,
you've probably been following work with the ModRacha chip and the Willow chip and what

449
00:32:50,917 --> 00:32:53,189
they're discovering about the nature of the universe, right?

450
00:32:53,189 --> 00:32:54,850
I mean, it's unbelievable.

451
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:57,892
Like there's a, there's a code behind the code.

452
00:32:57,892 --> 00:33:00,814
ah It's a recursive code.

453
00:33:01,895 --> 00:33:02,246
Yeah.

454
00:33:02,246 --> 00:33:10,521
So it's basically, you know, in, in right in quantum, in quantum physics, basically we
talk about that you can never sort of stop.

455
00:33:10,521 --> 00:33:11,782
ah

456
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:13,820
energy completely, right?

457
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:18,632
Even at absolute zero, there's still in the quantum field, are particles that are coming
in and out of existence.

458
00:33:18,632 --> 00:33:20,672
And there's an energy at that field.

459
00:33:20,752 --> 00:33:33,356
And when you also realize that um things are not really defined until they're quote
unquote, observed or until they're uh collapsed into an actual reality, then you start to

460
00:33:33,356 --> 00:33:42,400
realize, oh, and when you've had spiritual experiences, when you realize that
consciousness is pure love and

461
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:50,433
Now, physics is telling us that consciousness actually predates the universe as opposed to
the universe giving rise to consciousness, right?

462
00:33:50,433 --> 00:33:51,554
all that's coming.

463
00:33:51,554 --> 00:33:54,465
All that's being, if you want to go down the rabbit hole on this, it's all there.

464
00:33:54,465 --> 00:33:54,735
Really.

465
00:33:54,735 --> 00:33:56,176
It's very, very cool.

466
00:33:56,176 --> 00:34:08,261
So now when you realize that there's it's pure love that you're connecting to, and the
universe is completely malleable because it only consolidates once you set the intention

467
00:34:08,261 --> 00:34:10,996
and put it in motion, then it's like, well,

468
00:34:10,996 --> 00:34:13,507
Okay, we just woke up today.

469
00:34:13,608 --> 00:34:16,199
The whole universe is our sandbox, playground.

470
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,730
It's like playing with your best friend.

471
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:19,381
It's like, well, what do we want to do today?

472
00:34:19,381 --> 00:34:22,722
And it's like, changes your life completely.

473
00:34:22,722 --> 00:34:27,735
All of a sudden you realize you're here really from my place, from a loving place to
create joy.

474
00:34:27,735 --> 00:34:29,816
And that's my, that's my purpose in life.

475
00:34:29,816 --> 00:34:33,598
Cause I think that's actually the meaning of life is from a, you know, what does love love
to do?

476
00:34:33,598 --> 00:34:36,870
It loves to create and what's the feedback loop on creation is joy.

477
00:34:36,870 --> 00:34:40,262
So when you walk into every situation,

478
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,022
Like when I was meditating this morning, it's like, what do I want to do?

479
00:34:43,022 --> 00:34:47,956
Well, I want to have loving conversations that create joy all day long with everybody I
come in contact with.

480
00:34:47,956 --> 00:34:48,836
Right.

481
00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:49,547
Yeah.

482
00:34:49,547 --> 00:34:57,353
So when you do that, then you realize that you have the ability to create in every moment,
whether it's ordering a sandwich or whether it's having a podcast or whether it's talking

483
00:34:57,353 --> 00:34:59,375
to a client or, whatever it is.

484
00:34:59,375 --> 00:34:59,645
Right.

485
00:34:59,645 --> 00:35:01,576
So anyway, that's kind of how I think.

486
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:02,314
I love it.

487
00:35:02,314 --> 00:35:02,584
Yeah.

488
00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:12,903
And I think that that also coming back to that AI analogies, well, people are like fearful
of AI, but if you see it as a tool to enable creativity, to enable you to step into your

489
00:35:12,903 --> 00:35:16,159
best self, yes, there are challenges, et cetera.

490
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:26,705
I'm not denying all of that, but I think what, you know, figuring out what you need to be
that best version of yourself, to be in that creative flow, your zone of genius, more

491
00:35:26,705 --> 00:35:29,687
often than not during your days is magical.

492
00:35:29,848 --> 00:35:30,348
That's right.

493
00:35:30,348 --> 00:35:31,119
I agree.

494
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:31,878
agree.

495
00:35:31,878 --> 00:35:32,120
Yeah.

496
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:40,868
I've come to see AI really as an incredible, um, well, it's incredible tool.

497
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:45,753
tend to characterize it as my unbelievably smart assistant, right?

498
00:35:45,753 --> 00:35:48,595
Like if I want to go down a rabbit hole, it's like, tell me more about this, right?

499
00:35:48,595 --> 00:35:51,508
And you tell it what you want and you learn how to prompt accordingly.

500
00:35:51,508 --> 00:35:52,779
And then it's like, my gosh.

501
00:35:52,779 --> 00:35:53,680
Yeah, that's great.

502
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,726
So it's really cool.

503
00:35:55,726 --> 00:36:02,852
analogy for you though, Jeff, that essentially it starts out as your super smart colleague
that has like really good points and that's good as well.

504
00:36:02,852 --> 00:36:11,569
But if you start working on like larger documents or larger contexts and things like that
too, it becomes like your colleague with ADHD because it's like randomly throwing stuff in

505
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:12,840
and it's like, where did this come from?

506
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,531
yeah, you're right.

507
00:36:13,531 --> 00:36:14,812
And forgetting other things as well.

508
00:36:14,812 --> 00:36:21,307
And then at some point it becomes a person with dementia because it's like completely
leaving out like a chapter or a major part as well.

509
00:36:21,307 --> 00:36:23,448
So it's like these transitions of it too.

510
00:36:23,609 --> 00:36:26,547
It still is not perfect as none of us are.

511
00:36:26,547 --> 00:36:27,387
No, that's right.

512
00:36:27,387 --> 00:36:35,574
I tend to use it for shorter sequenced scenarios, not trying to like put together a whole
system with it yet, but it seems to work.

513
00:36:35,574 --> 00:36:38,155
as a little tip is using one AI against the other.

514
00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:44,598
It's really funny because then I ask another AI model, like, what do think of this and get
feedback and feed the other and like, wow, that's amazing feedback.

515
00:36:44,598 --> 00:36:45,999
And then I'll ask another one as well.

516
00:36:45,999 --> 00:36:48,010
And so just kind of bounce around as well.

517
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:53,742
And it's interesting also speaking with friends who have college student aged kids.

518
00:36:54,583 --> 00:36:58,781
And, you know, where there's a little bit more of a risk, because I feel like we've lived

519
00:36:58,781 --> 00:37:00,162
pre-AI, right?

520
00:37:00,162 --> 00:37:09,830
And being, having, you know, the sovereignty to think of things, think of ideas, work
through concepts and understand that AI is a tool to bounce off our ideas.

521
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:18,767
um you know, speaking to these friends are like, you know, my daughter feels that it's her
idea that she puts into GPT, but GPT writes everything and that's fine because it was her

522
00:37:18,767 --> 00:37:19,577
prompt.

523
00:37:19,577 --> 00:37:21,799
So that was enough to qualify it.

524
00:37:21,979 --> 00:37:24,645
And so that's a little bit scary because I feel like...

525
00:37:24,645 --> 00:37:27,729
we still have that ability to gauge, does this actually make sense?

526
00:37:27,729 --> 00:37:28,970
No, this is total nonsense.

527
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:31,773
Actually, let's tweak it again or reiterate.

528
00:37:31,773 --> 00:37:37,690
Whereas I think there's going to be a generation that is just blindly going to believe
that whatever is said is said and it's done.

529
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:39,061
So, yeah.

530
00:37:39,543 --> 00:37:40,063
a good point.

531
00:37:40,063 --> 00:37:51,854
was at dinner the other night with some people that had started a company actually to
train uh this generation uh critical thinking skills because they felt as AI was on the

532
00:37:51,854 --> 00:37:55,668
rise, critical thinking skills were actually going down to your point.

533
00:37:55,668 --> 00:37:58,480
People were not able to evaluate it and actually realize it.

534
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,741
And this may not be correct.

535
00:37:59,741 --> 00:38:00,072
Right.

536
00:38:00,072 --> 00:38:02,934
So, yeah.

537
00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:04,006
That's excellent.

538
00:38:04,006 --> 00:38:04,907
it's fascinating.

539
00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:15,131
think the other thing that's interesting is in this sort of place into what we're talking
about is the future of, of the world when AI is starting to replace more and more jobs,

540
00:38:15,131 --> 00:38:16,071
right.

541
00:38:16,311 --> 00:38:18,252
And people end up with a question of meaning.

542
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:30,617
Um, and so some of the conversations we're having about not living in reaction to these
traumas that we've experienced going back and being able to heal those, I think becomes a

543
00:38:30,617 --> 00:38:32,378
critical part of.

544
00:38:32,617 --> 00:38:35,838
adapting to a world where AI is able to do many things.

545
00:38:35,838 --> 00:38:43,039
um Because um I think we'll have a clearer sense of purpose, even in that scenario, right?

546
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:51,480
Whereas if we're kind of on tilt and we're thinking we have to do this and if we don't do
that, we don't have value and we're not lovable and all these kinds of things, if we're

547
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,721
actually free to know we are lovable, we are valuable, it doesn't really matter what's
going on.

548
00:38:55,761 --> 00:38:58,562
You see, it gives us more latitude to be able to adapt.

549
00:38:58,562 --> 00:38:59,243
how I think.

550
00:38:59,243 --> 00:39:00,394
you a thousand percent.

551
00:39:00,394 --> 00:39:08,177
And I think that's a really, really important point, Jeff, that people really need to
understand the importance of doing the so-called shadow work, right?

552
00:39:08,177 --> 00:39:15,950
Like dealing with those limiting beliefs that maybe trauma that from the past, like we
cannot run away from that because it is keeping you trapped essentially.

553
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:26,774
And if you can work through that as painful as that can be, you can then step into a
higher version of yourself, or typically you will be free to live your purpose, to

554
00:39:26,774 --> 00:39:28,385
genuinely be able to,

555
00:39:28,539 --> 00:39:31,382
want to make a bigger impact in the world helping other people.

556
00:39:31,382 --> 00:39:33,405
your why is more than just about you.

557
00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:36,118
It's about a bigger sense of purpose and community.

558
00:39:36,118 --> 00:39:46,360
And then you're in that creative genius space where the AI is just a tool for you, but
you're inventing and you're creating, et cetera, versus being in that more limited way of

559
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,221
thinking and being.

560
00:39:47,221 --> 00:39:49,672
So yeah, I think that's a really important point.

561
00:39:49,672 --> 00:39:50,263
Mm-hmm.

562
00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:51,223
Yeah.

563
00:39:51,402 --> 00:39:55,727
Yeah, I think it uh gives me great optimism for the future, right?

564
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:58,530
Because it's something that nobody can take away from you, right?

565
00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:00,551
It's uh something that's yours.

566
00:40:00,551 --> 00:40:01,212
That's you.

567
00:40:01,212 --> 00:40:03,303
um Very, very cool.

568
00:40:03,303 --> 00:40:08,617
So what are the questions that you're asking with the company right now?

569
00:40:09,777 --> 00:40:22,661
Yeah, I think it's trying to help people understand the benefits and realizing how much,
obviously we're drinking the same Kool-Aid, we're in the health optimization, longevity

570
00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:34,945
space, we know it, we've read the science, we know that this has uh legs to it, whereas
speaking to some people who want to get into longevity medicine, that want to have um

571
00:40:34,945 --> 00:40:36,825
clinics, they're like, you know, but...

572
00:40:37,219 --> 00:40:38,149
is this really true?

573
00:40:38,149 --> 00:40:39,511
Is this really gonna make a difference?

574
00:40:39,511 --> 00:40:50,730
And so realizing that some people are just so far outside of it still, and it's that
education piece and trying to communicate in a way that people can really understand.

575
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:58,115
That's more from a business perspective, but from an individual person perspective as
well, I think it's giving people back hope.

576
00:40:58,225 --> 00:41:05,550
They hear about, know, Brian Johnson spends $2 million a year and they're just like,
there's no way that I can ever, you know, do something like that.

577
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:11,375
So what my future is like chronic disease and going blind with diabetes or whatever it
might be as well.

578
00:41:11,375 --> 00:41:20,832
And I think what's so important is for people to realize that even with small iterations,
small changes, like you talked about forest bathing, right?

579
00:41:20,832 --> 00:41:25,185
I mean, you might not have a forest near you, but some sort of nature hopefully near you.

580
00:41:25,307 --> 00:41:36,114
spending time in nature, getting morning sunlight, sleeping well, hopefully not with too
much noise and toxins in your environment, feeding yourself well, being really aware of

581
00:41:36,114 --> 00:41:37,716
what you're putting into your body.

582
00:41:37,716 --> 00:41:42,079
It's essentially the medicine you feed yourself every day, breathing, meditation, et
cetera.

583
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:43,670
Like lot of modalities are free.

584
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:53,126
Obviously food is not, but finding people that bring you joy and spending more time with
them and filtering out maybe the people that stress you out a bit too much, as much as

585
00:41:53,126 --> 00:41:54,157
possible.

586
00:41:54,491 --> 00:42:03,510
I think that's really important point as well, just to reach a wider audience of people to
realize there's so much that we can do to step into that highest version of ourselves that

587
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:06,508
doesn't need to cost millions of dollars, essentially.

588
00:42:06,508 --> 00:42:07,578
Yeah, I think that's right.

589
00:42:07,578 --> 00:42:11,620
um think that's exactly right.

590
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:17,701
It's interesting to us that we do end up doing a personality profile on everybody that we
work with.

591
00:42:17,701 --> 00:42:20,092
It's called a culture index.

592
00:42:20,092 --> 00:42:30,815
And it basically gives us an idea of who that person's personality is kind of in its best
native state as it consolidated at about age 12, combination of nature and nurture.

593
00:42:30,815 --> 00:42:32,565
Like, who is this person?

594
00:42:32,766 --> 00:42:33,888
And then um

595
00:42:33,888 --> 00:42:43,322
The second portion of it is actually looking to see who they're asking themselves to be at
their work or in their job or as whatever they perceive as their life's tasks.

596
00:42:43,322 --> 00:42:56,528
um And we also measure psychic energy units in terms of how much psychic energy do you
have to flex out of your sweet spot, so to speak, into being something other than your

597
00:42:56,528 --> 00:42:57,689
sweet spot.

598
00:42:57,849 --> 00:42:59,470
And it's really interesting because...

599
00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:00,710
um

600
00:43:01,176 --> 00:43:12,124
There's can be a tremendous amount of inherent stress in trying to flex out too far and
different people have different amounts of psychic energy that they can spend and other

601
00:43:12,124 --> 00:43:13,094
people have very little.

602
00:43:13,094 --> 00:43:24,592
Um, and we've had people sell companies with people change jobs, hire assistance, you
know, leave companies, do all kinds of stuff based on what the findings are.

603
00:43:24,592 --> 00:43:25,442
Right.

604
00:43:25,683 --> 00:43:28,065
And it's really, it's really interesting.

605
00:43:28,065 --> 00:43:30,316
Um, I think.

606
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:41,114
When you think about toxicity in your life, one of the toxins that we have is this concept
of trying to force ourselves into a job or into a situation that's not really a good fit.

607
00:43:41,194 --> 00:43:50,358
So if you're listening to this, we had a client from Canada who came down, she had an
issue with mold in her home and was having symptoms, her kids were having symptoms, her

608
00:43:50,358 --> 00:43:51,318
husband loved the house.

609
00:43:51,318 --> 00:43:52,299
He wasn't impacted.

610
00:43:52,299 --> 00:43:55,780
So he wasn't too excited about, you know, moving.

611
00:43:55,780 --> 00:44:00,512
But, but anyway, when she came down, she ended up working for an oil company in Canada.

612
00:44:00,914 --> 00:44:06,716
And um we looked at her profiles and it was like, you know, this job is not serving you
well.

613
00:44:06,716 --> 00:44:10,227
You know, you're you're really have much more creativity than you're allowed to show here.

614
00:44:10,227 --> 00:44:15,758
And there things you have leadership capabilities that are being kind of squelched in your
current position.

615
00:44:15,818 --> 00:44:17,639
And she said, yeah, yeah, I know.

616
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,120
But, know, they pay me twice as much as I could get anywhere else.

617
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,380
And so there's right people get caught.

618
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:27,592
But she said, but she said, my my boss is talking to me about a promotion.

619
00:44:27,592 --> 00:44:29,632
I said, well, that's what you want to do.

620
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:38,677
When you have that conversation based on what I'm showing you here, tell them that these
are the things that are really going to allow you to, you know, not only strive, but shine

621
00:44:38,677 --> 00:44:39,308
for the company.

622
00:44:39,308 --> 00:44:39,608
Right.

623
00:44:39,608 --> 00:44:44,342
And so she did that and they put her in a new position and she's loving it.

624
00:44:44,342 --> 00:44:44,692
Right.

625
00:44:44,692 --> 00:44:45,963
So, right.

626
00:44:45,963 --> 00:44:54,591
So there are, in other words, there are toxins that come in through so many different
areas, but our relationship to ourselves, our relationships with our jobs, and then the

627
00:44:54,591 --> 00:44:57,253
people that we surround ourselves with a massive part of this.

628
00:44:57,253 --> 00:44:58,661
So, yeah.

629
00:44:58,661 --> 00:45:01,341
you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with, right?

630
00:45:01,341 --> 00:45:02,701
So it's definitely true.

631
00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:05,081
I'm curious what came up for you, Jeff.

632
00:45:06,441 --> 00:45:07,141
Yep.

633
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:15,850
Yeah, it came up that I'm more of a visionary, of course.

634
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:20,290
I'm always three mountain ranges over kind of seeing what's over there, right?

635
00:45:20,290 --> 00:45:30,610
You know the feeling, Eternally curious, a little bit more of an introvert, recently fast
paced from thing to thing, although I can concentrate.

636
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:33,206
And I'm not one to color inside the box.

637
00:45:33,206 --> 00:45:33,526
Right.

638
00:45:33,526 --> 00:45:35,327
I'm always coloring outside the box.

639
00:45:35,327 --> 00:45:45,169
And so the disconnect for me between my native personality and what I was being asked to
do at work was I had to color inside the box more.

640
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:46,090
Right.

641
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:53,072
Because of medicine, because of licensure, because of, you know, different things that you
have to take into consideration.

642
00:45:53,072 --> 00:45:57,953
So it was manageable, but that was the piece that was a little incongruous for me.

643
00:45:57,953 --> 00:46:01,504
So if I have the ability to kind of, um,

644
00:46:01,770 --> 00:46:12,319
do things that are more freewheeling even than what I do, not freewheeling, not in a
cowboy kind of way, but in a way of just being able to iterate off of inventive ideas that

645
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,505
I have, then that's where I kind of shine, right?

646
00:46:15,505 --> 00:46:16,156
Beautiful.

647
00:46:16,156 --> 00:46:17,187
Yeah, your zone of genius.

648
00:46:17,187 --> 00:46:18,999
And have you incorporated them then?

649
00:46:18,999 --> 00:46:21,749
And do you have that ability to do more?

650
00:46:21,749 --> 00:46:23,750
found places to be able to do that.

651
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:24,020
Right.

652
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:25,340
So, yeah.

653
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:34,735
So we're building some stuff and doing some stuff and, uh, whatever else that gives me
kind of the ability to kind of just say, well, let's just throw the boxes out.

654
00:46:34,735 --> 00:46:36,528
Let's start drawing circles.

655
00:46:36,528 --> 00:46:37,199
new.

656
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:42,440
Yeah, I'm curious, because you mentioned at the beginning, there's a new research that's
come out and some new projects you want to share.

657
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200
don't know if you've shared with your audience, but I'm curious to hear.

658
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,603
you know, we're going down the path with, um, with brain health, of course, it's, uh,
really, really important.

659
00:46:51,603 --> 00:46:53,364
And there's really two sides to brain health.

660
00:46:53,364 --> 00:46:57,535
One is cognitive impairment or cognitive, uh, ability.

661
00:46:57,896 --> 00:47:05,744
And so with that, um, you know, we've gotten ahold of a new molecule called TB double O
six, which is an anti-galectin three antibody.

662
00:47:05,744 --> 00:47:13,302
It's a monoclonal antibody that binds up galactin in the brain, which is, um, kind of a
pro-inflammatory mediator in the brain.

663
00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:17,271
and seems to be present in almost all neurodegenerative disorders, right?

664
00:47:17,271 --> 00:47:27,854
So being able to bind that up, particularly if you do it in conjunction with other
modalities that we have available to us, like hormone optimization, thyroid, genetics

665
00:47:27,854 --> 00:47:36,236
understanding, reprogramming the brain with transcranial magnetic stimulation, different
nootropics, peptides, stem cells, you know, all the different things that can go into

666
00:47:36,236 --> 00:47:38,577
actually rebuilding a brain.

667
00:47:38,577 --> 00:47:42,478
But when you use this molecule, um you know,

668
00:47:42,496 --> 00:47:49,170
Even for people with early cognitive decline, you get like a 250 % increase in cognitive
ability over what they would have had.

669
00:47:49,351 --> 00:47:50,742
So, yeah.

670
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:52,413
So that's, it's pretty dramatic.

671
00:47:52,413 --> 00:47:54,535
And so we're super excited about that.

672
00:47:54,535 --> 00:47:59,137
I mean, I think all of us are interested to maintain our, our brains.

673
00:47:59,726 --> 00:48:09,766
The other part of it that's really interesting is, you know, the whole idea of psychedelic
assisted therapies as being ways to go in and help reprogram.

674
00:48:09,766 --> 00:48:10,156
Right.

675
00:48:10,156 --> 00:48:10,584
So

676
00:48:10,584 --> 00:48:13,216
Tapping, we talked about that as one modality.

677
00:48:13,216 --> 00:48:22,524
There are other people with severe PTSD and others, oh people coming out of the military,
people coming out of fairly horrific life experiences.

678
00:48:22,704 --> 00:48:33,704
And sometimes using the psychedelic assisted therapies, whether they're DMT-based or
psilocybin-based or MDMA-based can actually really have a transformative impact for people

679
00:48:33,704 --> 00:48:35,755
where they can rewrite the software.

680
00:48:35,755 --> 00:48:38,990
In a matter of five hours, they can do what...

681
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:40,932
15 years of therapy wouldn't do, right?

682
00:48:40,932 --> 00:48:51,360
And so uh that's super exciting too, because when you think about freeing people up to be
their unencumbered selves, and then you think about giving them cognitive ability, it's

683
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,107
very exciting play rock.

684
00:48:53,107 --> 00:48:53,337
it.

685
00:48:53,337 --> 00:49:02,574
I mean, these are speaking to my heart 100%, as you may recall, my mother suffers with
dementia and obviously knowing now what I know, we missed early signs that could have got

686
00:49:02,574 --> 00:49:03,684
her back on the right track.

687
00:49:03,684 --> 00:49:08,837
And in January 2020, she had a very bad fall, major head trauma, bleeding in the brain, et
cetera.

688
00:49:08,837 --> 00:49:10,853
And now she's late stage dementia.

689
00:49:10,853 --> 00:49:11,940
mean, she can't walk anymore.

690
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:16,686
She hardly speaks, but every now and then a moment of clarity, which obviously brings us
joy, but...

691
00:49:16,686 --> 00:49:17,091
You're sure.

692
00:49:17,091 --> 00:49:22,958
really, my big why and I've gone down many rabbit hole with understanding different
neuroscience methodologies as well.

693
00:49:22,958 --> 00:49:25,641
So I'm super big fan of brain training.

694
00:49:25,641 --> 00:49:30,431
I don't know you've come across the neurovisor, which is the pulsating light with sounds.

695
00:49:30,431 --> 00:49:30,791
Yep.

696
00:49:30,791 --> 00:49:31,371
I've seen it.

697
00:49:31,371 --> 00:49:31,892
Yeah.

698
00:49:31,892 --> 00:49:37,335
We've been using BrainTap for a number of years, which is photo biomodulation and um
auditory things.

699
00:49:37,335 --> 00:49:39,247
And I know there are new ones out there.

700
00:49:39,247 --> 00:49:39,997
I've tried one.

701
00:49:39,997 --> 00:49:43,190
um That was actually a little too much for me, the way it was programmed.

702
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:47,363
But yeah, exactly.

703
00:49:47,363 --> 00:49:49,534
Somebody just grabbed it and said, here, try this.

704
00:49:49,534 --> 00:49:51,065
I was like, oh, okay.

705
00:49:51,065 --> 00:49:53,126
But yeah, is.

706
00:49:53,126 --> 00:49:58,564
m

707
00:49:58,564 --> 00:50:04,248
around pulsating light, that it was actually shown to clear amyloid plaque and it's that
brain fitness training.

708
00:50:04,248 --> 00:50:10,556
So I also have a brain tap device, but there you train one brainwave state like the alpha
or the theta.

709
00:50:10,556 --> 00:50:11,245
That's right.

710
00:50:11,245 --> 00:50:18,525
with the pulsating light, because it's random, it's constantly forcing your brain to train
itself.

711
00:50:18,525 --> 00:50:21,245
So it's really like a mental exercise.

712
00:50:21,265 --> 00:50:28,765
And I don't know if you've come across the founder Garnet Dupree, he's 76 years old,
believe, sharp as a laser.

713
00:50:28,765 --> 00:50:30,485
I mean, he's unbelievable.

714
00:50:30,485 --> 00:50:32,703
So I was like, okay, definitely good sign.

715
00:50:32,703 --> 00:50:35,550
yeah, so for the audience, what's the name of the device again?

716
00:50:35,685 --> 00:50:41,509
It's called the neurovisor and visors, V I Z R neurovisor.

717
00:50:41,509 --> 00:50:46,802
And essentially you have just a headband on it has a panel that's a certain distance from,
from, from you.

718
00:50:46,802 --> 00:50:48,803
And you can flip it's magnetic.

719
00:50:48,803 --> 00:50:51,755
So you can flip, flick it off if you're, you know, find it too much.

720
00:50:51,755 --> 00:50:53,386
I've had my mother with her dementia.

721
00:50:53,386 --> 00:50:55,021
My 86 year old father's had it on.

722
00:50:55,021 --> 00:50:56,288
I obviously put down the lights.

723
00:50:56,288 --> 00:50:57,628
I like to go a bit hardcore.

724
00:50:57,628 --> 00:51:01,841
You can stack it with multiple like gamma training and different brainwave training as
well.

725
00:51:01,841 --> 00:51:06,515
And then you have obviously the sound that goes with it, that encompasses it too.

726
00:51:06,515 --> 00:51:10,239
And you could even stack it with a vibroacoustic chair.

727
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,004
So you have the vibration through the body as well, if you wanna go all out with it too,
yeah.

728
00:51:15,004 --> 00:51:16,545
Now, that's very cool.

729
00:51:16,545 --> 00:51:16,865
Yeah.

730
00:51:16,865 --> 00:51:20,636
So the binaural beats also entrain the brain into different states as well.

731
00:51:20,636 --> 00:51:21,857
So that's very cool.

732
00:51:21,857 --> 00:51:22,007
Yeah.

733
00:51:22,007 --> 00:51:22,888
I love all this.

734
00:51:22,888 --> 00:51:27,430
And there's also sound frequencies that have been shown to decrease amyloid.

735
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:34,762
I forget the exact frequency it is, but um I think I want to say it's a low frequency,
like about 40 Hertz or something.

736
00:51:34,762 --> 00:51:35,487
Yeah.

737
00:51:35,487 --> 00:51:37,459
believe there was research out of Korea.

738
00:51:37,459 --> 00:51:39,511
I was writing about that actually recently.

739
00:51:39,511 --> 00:51:41,112
my newsletter.

740
00:51:41,135 --> 00:51:45,488
So people can sit in these chairs with with the vibration of 40 Hertz.

741
00:51:45,488 --> 00:51:47,649
It's sound is more than just what you hear.

742
00:51:47,649 --> 00:51:47,889
Right.

743
00:51:47,889 --> 00:51:54,403
So they were sitting in these chairs with 40 Hertz and hearing it and also feeling it and
having improvements.

744
00:51:54,403 --> 00:51:57,274
So, yeah, I love the idea of stacking all these things together.

745
00:51:57,274 --> 00:51:57,454
Right.

746
00:51:57,454 --> 00:51:59,055
So now you're doing it with no tropics.

747
00:51:59,055 --> 00:52:00,016
You're doing with peptides.

748
00:52:00,016 --> 00:52:01,797
You're doing it with, you know, other things.

749
00:52:01,797 --> 00:52:02,207
Right.

750
00:52:02,207 --> 00:52:04,889
And yeah, exactly.

751
00:52:04,889 --> 00:52:05,349
That's right.

752
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:07,300
And you're boosted your energy levels ahead of time.

753
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:07,587
So

754
00:52:07,587 --> 00:52:08,147
Exactly.

755
00:52:08,147 --> 00:52:08,717
Yeah.

756
00:52:08,717 --> 00:52:16,480
Well, I uh commend Texas for their recent funding for the Ibogaine research, which I think
is phenomenal.

757
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:27,083
I've had Talia Eisenberg on my podcast, who has the Beyond Ibogaine Clinic in Mexico,
which sees like tons and tons of veterans, thankfully, that come through there.

758
00:52:27,083 --> 00:52:34,245
you know, such amazing scientific research out of Stanford and John Hopkins around that's
Benjamin Button effect that within one

759
00:52:34,471 --> 00:52:42,682
dosage that people are reversing their brain aging by one and a half years biologically,
which is just absolutely amazing because of the neuroplasticity effect.

760
00:52:42,682 --> 00:52:49,792
So I think ibogaine is a very interesting molecule, which has been around for hundreds of
years, but not studied from Western scientific point of view as well.

761
00:52:49,792 --> 00:52:52,175
So yeah, I think it's really powerful.

762
00:52:52,396 --> 00:52:54,166
Yeah, these things are very powerful.

763
00:52:54,166 --> 00:53:01,519
um The increase in BDNF seems to be pretty characteristic of this whole space.

764
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,809
know, psilocybin does a similar thing.

765
00:53:03,809 --> 00:53:06,350
DMT has an impact this way.

766
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:15,863
So brain-derived neurotrophic factor is way that you basically build new synapses, make
your uh neurons more robust, et cetera.

767
00:53:15,863 --> 00:53:21,110
So it is interesting to think about m

768
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:26,580
I've always wondered, you know, how smart would we be if we actually got fully optimized,
right?

769
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:28,202
And how much fun would that be?

770
00:53:28,202 --> 00:53:28,633
Right.

771
00:53:28,633 --> 00:53:34,883
So, uh, you know, we all get along, but I think we could all get along a little better is
kind of how I feel about it.

772
00:53:34,883 --> 00:53:35,333
So.

773
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:47,249
I wonder though about that, that if you just become so hyper able and capable, could you
sit down with your old friends at a table and just listen to them banter on about some

774
00:53:48,111 --> 00:53:49,652
stupid topics?

775
00:53:51,696 --> 00:53:52,553
No, exactly.

776
00:53:52,553 --> 00:53:53,771
but I can I can sit down.

777
00:53:53,771 --> 00:53:56,785
I can sit down with them and engage with them.

778
00:53:56,785 --> 00:53:58,246
It's not so much about that.

779
00:53:58,246 --> 00:54:06,401
There's I think, you know, part of the beauty of this journey, this hero's journey uh
becoming unencumbered and fully expressed is that you lose judgment.

780
00:54:06,401 --> 00:54:08,612
You just end up with compassion for everyone.

781
00:54:08,612 --> 00:54:10,453
And so you just want to connect with everyone.

782
00:54:10,453 --> 00:54:12,304
And there isn't really judgment.

783
00:54:12,924 --> 00:54:15,970
But being able to go either into a circle of.

784
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:22,064
people where you're able to communicate at that level or just create on your own is super
cool.

785
00:54:22,064 --> 00:54:26,696
But it's fun to find people you can actually kind of go like this with.

786
00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:29,258
that's fun.

787
00:54:30,019 --> 00:54:30,979
Cool.

788
00:54:31,019 --> 00:54:31,479
Awesome.

789
00:54:31,479 --> 00:54:33,271
Well, Claudia, it's been wonderful chatting with you.

790
00:54:33,271 --> 00:54:36,372
Yeah, absolutely.

791
00:54:36,372 --> 00:54:38,103
Yeah, we should do it more often.

792
00:54:38,884 --> 00:54:40,205
Yeah, beautiful.

793
00:54:40,205 --> 00:54:41,225
All right.

794
00:54:41,245 --> 00:54:42,591
Thank you so much.

795
00:54:42,591 --> 00:54:43,021
Okay.

796
00:54:43,021 --> 00:54:43,872
Thanks so much, Jeff.

797
00:54:43,872 --> 00:54:45,353
Have a great day.

798
00:54:45,935 --> 00:54:46,556
See you soon.

799
00:54:46,556 --> 00:54:47,086
Bye.

800
00:54:47,086 --> 00:54:48,077
Bye-bye.