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[SPEAKER_02]: On this week's Big Pitches Game podcast, I actually interviewed Brent Armsbury, Master Boot Fitter about plug boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now these are the race boots that both Liam and I are wearing here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very thick, solid, uncomfortable to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Brent and I talk everything you need to know about getting a pair of boots set up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now Liam,
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[SPEAKER_02]: was just saying like he's going to need to leave it three o'clock because his feet are getting sore because he's in the early stages of setting a boot up like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But aside from the pain which you kind of need to go through, what were the positives on your first time like carving with them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like a night and day between these boots in my old ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got so much like performance out of the boot at the end of the turn that the boot would hold up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't fold through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was able to transition all this energy from one turn to the next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam's ski, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing changed just to the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a completely different feeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The extremely powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, the goods aren't very, very powerful, and we can talk about that about, we know what makes them more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a really rewarding, like something I want to chase in every turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Liam is actually the perfect person for this type of boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going for his level four Australian skin structure certificate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a good skier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're really chasing high performance turns, maybe you're right into Carver, you're an instructor out there trying to push your level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting into this boot is going to help you achieve that a whole lot easier, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it allows you to do things in skiing that you couldn't do in a boot that you're going to fold every turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway without further ado, let's get into this podcast episode all about plug boots and see if this is maybe something you want to do yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good Brent, we're here today to talk about plug skibboots, okay, so this racing type of skibboot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're watching listening to this, is this applicable for you who's the kind of person that would consider a plug skibboot?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing we really have to establish is that, I mean, these boots right here, they're the shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are the absolute hinnacle of the performance level available out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plug boots that you can buy, maybe go into race shop, maybe you can access an order form or you find them online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are almost exactly the same boots that are World Cup race for videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking for the maximum performance level that's available to you this this is the boot right you might be a master's racer you might be a very high level instructor looking or somebody who's looking to train into racing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe you want to lift your car of school or way past the 141-45.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're knocking on 145.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking for 151-60, you know, 165.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is probably going to be the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you're driving race skis, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just like race skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fiss, non-fiss, master's level, your goal is to make race skis work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the right boot to match with that ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quick comment on that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I really noticed going into a plug boot versus the, because there's a step between this plug boot and the sort of recreational race boots that kind of look a bit like them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember going to this one, which is like a world cup boot, and feeling the control over my carve skis, step it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, now it's not the ski, it sort of matches the ski a whole lot better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was easier to drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're definitely, um, is very extremely powerful, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The boots aren't very, very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's, you know, we can talk about that about what makes them more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because they look just like, I mean, it's a four-buckle boot, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You pull it out of the axis and say, let's talk about the kind of the anatomy inside, like, what, why is it called a plug boot for instance?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it all comes from the internal right like inside if you when you look at these boots when they look like they have a very narrow profile and they do so the inner plug when they put it into the mold that's the smallest right I got this nickname like that the make this boot with a thicker shell wall so could drive it could
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[SPEAKER_00]: sand energy, they put the smallest last or the plug inside and injected it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you came out with a boot with really sick, you know, really sick walls, really sick spine, everything about the boot,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of the way it's shaped is very narrow inside, but very thick plastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what happens is that if you want to get the foot really close to the plastic, you kind of have this sort of block of wood, or block of plastic, they can then grind in, shape in the foot shape, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: To get the release you need in certain areas and zones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: The boot itself is different, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's manufactured different in its angles compared to your free ride boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the first things, when you look just a numbers, is that the forward lean on these boots is higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, they're coming out of the box at, you know, 6, 14, 16 or higher degrees of forward lean depending on the on the spoiler, but they're going to come out of the box at about, you know, 16 degrees of forward lean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's way higher than a standard free right boot of, you know, 12, 13 or 14 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got right away more forward lean and a much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes way up much further extended up the back of your leg for the reasons of support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to go fast in these boots, you know, you want it's to be holding you so that you stay on top of your skates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, speed skiers, they even extend them even higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They put in braces, carbon fiber braces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We come off a jump at 80 miles an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do not want this
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're getting you behind the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots with the thick spine and the taller back will drive you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll make you feel like you're being driven over the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then there's you know internal ramp angles ramp angles and side here are pretty standard compared to most of the industry boots at about four degrees some models will offer 3.5 just a little lower and so the but the bootboard inside and bottom of this boot is a PU injected hard foam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's designed actually to be ground down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you gives you this range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most racers tend to reduce their ramp angles to close down their ankles to get a faster response.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the boot is designed to have you change the ramp angle that you feel is most appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can add to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair rarely, anybody will do that, but most of the time they will actually drop the ramp angle down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll start at that four degrees and may find yourself going to three and a half or three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen two, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the boot is designed to be able to change the angles from forward lean to ramp angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the biggest thing you're getting with these boots is this big
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you get a box and you pick your boot out of the box, you instantly feel they are heavier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more plastic here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the team models, even how an extended sole, that five more millimeters of plastic, extended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get a built-in lifter and more plastic to do counting and angle changes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get a very thick soul that controls the torsional rigidity at the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you're really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the big features of a plugin is that very thick solid soul on the boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would say that's a real noticeable thing, like a felt thing, isn't that inability for the boot to really twist compared to some of the top end, yeah, kind of performance boots, free ride boots, those things, yeah, can twist it whole up more easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I know, I mean, I was in New Zealand just the other week and having to carry these in my backpack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wait a lot more than Archie and Jenny's boots, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My son picked on, he's like, goddad, your boots are so heavy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a consideration, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting into these boots there a lot heavier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then that kind of does give you a felt sense of also kind of been quite grounded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for car speed, yeah, stability feeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're getting a different plastic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots are all made of a PU but poly ether, base bath plastics instead of a polyester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually there's a lot of PU boots out there made with a polyester base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a little debtor, right, that they're not quite as reactive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the poly ether, when you look at the price tags of these, you know, they have retail price tags of $1,000 to $1,300, but what you're getting is the best possible plastic manufacturer can formulate for these, but it's absolutely the best stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's amazing to work with, it just, you know, it crimes it up, punches, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I suppose we should go then next, if you're going to go down this road, it's a project in a box.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you said to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And would totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm over 24 hours of accumulated time spent on my boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even after being away, and using it, I need to come back and there's a little spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a punch that after skiing six days in a row, I just need a little bit more room, maybe a punch as
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[SPEAKER_02]: moved a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But speak to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to push my calves cause I want to get my highest level instructor train assert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need these boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you need to expect?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just buy the boot and go skiing at can you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, they, they are 100% of project on a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're not going to, you just don't open it up and, you know, like a standard free ride boot with grip rock souls, you know, and a cushy liner, you can just warm it up, you know, or go to the shop, they heat mold it, and you know, you can just go on skiing it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very little, you know, a problem, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you're not going to get, like, you're, you're going to be able to get through the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing you notice is how narrow they are in the midfoot, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really, really narrow in the bottom and narrow in the midfoot and they're just clamping your foot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to do have to do some fitting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The average foot is going to need, you know, around the pinky toe and the sixth toe around the ball, the foot, you're probably going to need to go in and do some reshaping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ankle bones in here are usually quite tight inside and outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not uncommon if to go and do a little extra shaping on those So you're you're gonna have to spend some time reshaping the boot and then the boot the boot souls themselves You look at the head boot that got the two holes right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are made for lifters, right you can put You can put the standard race lifters on but some of these boots actually have a Viperum alternative all right, or you can even put a grip walk
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[SPEAKER_00]: on it if you wanted to make it more of a broad spectrum free rideable boot, but you're going to need to put those in heels on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't always come flat, not everyone of these boots in the industry comes perfectly flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the production run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I talk to colleagues, they'll be sending out Facebook messages going, hey, have you seen this build?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It came out of the box kind of twisted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you get a pair, first thing you do is it's going to be on a table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfectly flat, smooth, table, and see if they're rockered a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a catastrophe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, oh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This little twist in it, and you'll need to go to a shop with a planer they can go and just lightly knock down the high point on there and get it true back up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of that project process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't take for granted that this boot's going to come out of a box and sit true on a flat surface.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll need, you know, grinding, shaping, lifters, whatever your choice is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, fine tuning, the cuff, the upper, the upper cuff canting, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A cuff adjustments, they usually come with cams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can bring them a one degree out, one degree in, half degree out, half degree in, like yours, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got specialized little cans to get the angle that you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But these boots, a plug boots usually come with a set of cans that can generate appropriate amount of other cuff angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll need to get that set because these do sit higher up on your leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they really are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: flat out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you'll need to get that fine tuning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take it for granted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the liners are so much thinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're up against plastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not on a push, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't sort of self self adjusts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There goes much deep in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if the angles are right, it's going to push your leg or the ski a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the precision you kind of need to be looking for and your fit goes up and so there's there's another bit of time, a munitone invest to get that performance out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's definitely time and dedication that you'll need to get these set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when you think you've got them set up, you'll need to go back, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You spend three or four days in a minute, oh, man, something around the heel or something around the ankle bone isn't, you know, it's not quite very yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little painful or even just not allowing the foot to articulate, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have to go back and you continue adjustments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I say the project in a box, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a slam dunk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a pair of the best, you know, high performance boot out there ultra performance World Cup performance and you just put your foot in and go and it just rarely happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you did, you probably got the boot too big Right, because these goods are they're made to be downsize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to be as tight as you can possibly get Even in the toes and you've got to reshape the boot internally to get it just right
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's partly why you reached out now, because we'd spoke about this a couple of, even mid-season, North American season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said, Tom, I think now's a good time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just about to hit August to discuss this topic because you want some time to not be stressed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going on snow next week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a good time to go and get these boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, get it in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you've got plenty of time to feel it out and go back and forth with your bootfitter
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an availability cycle as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, they start becoming available to the, you know, the top elite racers in the spring because they've coming, they're coming off their season, their stuff's jumped out and now it's maybe they change brands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But or they're going to go testing, but boots start, you know, being available in the spring
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, if you come in and say, hey, Brad, I'm looking for this boot, you know, give me an appointment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can go to the distributor and say, okay, let's take a look with what they've got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their inventory is usually much fuller from now until September, October, and you can then get your hands on these boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're wiped out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every eraser, every kid, every, you know, master's racer, um, instructor, whew, you know, whomever, right, who's looking for this boot hem, um, they've, they've locked onto onto a pair of boots, um, you know, it's against, yeah, yeah, it's a considerable investment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you are going to go down this road, you were mentioning
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they're they're going to MSRP right 1,000 to 1,300 right, but that you know that's where they say if just straight across retail if you're a US to say race or you're going to have access a little bit lower price.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you mentioned that yeah, not a option.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you want us to go to that one too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so in terms of the boot itself, like you can find these at lower prices, if you're willing, of course, not take this year's model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, some of these boots get purchased, or they go through the hands of racers, sponsored racers, they may get a few pair, and they just end up living in a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for two or three seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the distributor has a bunch of extra product and they release it out to an online retailer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, I could probably go the internet right now, find a four or five six year old model, under $200 and guess what, they're still great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing so revolutionary about these boots in the last 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means that this your model is that much greater than one from six years ago, or seven years ago, you know, I could take I could take a Fisher, you know, like a first year Fisher podium from 2013.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the plastic still great, as long as it was well-capped in the box and controlled environment, didn't live in a hawk garage, that boot's going to be no problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any brand?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have no problem grabbing a $199.6-year-old model and set it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so yeah, so that's the way to yeah get into it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like if you're like really scared of the project in the box for a thousand thirteen hundred and then you got all this other Work you got to do on top of it you could you be looking at two to twenty five hundred dollars when you're all done That could be really scary where you could find one for one ninety nine and then Put the the time and injury and energy into it without breaking the back
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and those, you know, this boot now, uh, I was saying to you before it doesn't feel like where I'm not noticing it getting too dead or anything, the plastic is holding up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really well, like they're built so solid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once I've got this right, I do not want to really change this boot for a while because it's, it's, I've got it just right of performance and comfort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the middle there and it feels like it's still going to keep giving me some more seasons as long as I kind of keep it out of the sun when I'm not skiing on it and yeah so they definitely have a longer shelf life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These things are built tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have a longer work life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, racers tend to burn through them, but they train a lot harder on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're using as a free ride, I, you know, pop and free ride, hop and boom, you can go hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of days on them, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just taking care of them, replacing buckles, replacing toes and heels, replacing the power strap, the liner, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty common to have to after a season, these thin liners pack out and get very thin and broken down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just upgraded to a zip fit, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to zip fit or get an original liner fort, but you can easily upgrade the liner and then get another hundreds of days out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then do you want to speak to the little nuances between the brands?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If so, say you are and one shop only has certain brands available or you're looking at some six-year-old boots, atomic ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you want to speak to that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So people, I guess get an idea of if there's a great difference or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it just from my opinion, and I think it's shared by many race coaches out there, the lying and the rosy are kind of like right down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the reference standard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very common for race coaches and race kids to be like the coaches to be like, just, you know, if we got questions about the equipment, we just put you in a lying and rosy and then we work out the details later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're right down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're looking at the other brands out there, you know, head, I mean, the head's got a ton of victories, but the boots a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the, the flex on it, I would say, you know, on the back it's just a little higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Ford lean and all that is pretty similar, but the boots not quite as neutral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, as the laying in the rosy, there's a different feel from the boot when you ski on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, a comment I get is it's very light switch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on or it's off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on or it's off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think bigger, heavier, stronger athletes and skiers may appreciate this boot a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we go to the atomic, I know with the atomic boot, it seems to have a little lower cuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's quite a few variations of their plug boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the STI, the TI, so they've got different hinge points and different variations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, where they kind of separate you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is more for a female athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is more for a bigger male athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, there's women who are on the bigger cipher boots as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: their boots are a little bit different, the fisher, so the fisher, the angles are a little bit different, the four leans a little bit higher, the fit in the shape inside is a little more open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a wider chunkier foot or taller foot, the fisher seems to
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of do really well for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're really pensily, the fisher doesn't seem to attract that anatomy very well, where the atomic and the laying rosy seems to work better for a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we've got the Nordica and the Technica, you know, the Technica Dolberman been around for decades and decades, you know, the latest iterations got kind of a cool liner with a lacing system that kind of pulls around the ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That boot I would also put as a little bit easier, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that the plastic's on a quite, quite firm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so once it
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[SPEAKER_00]: quite quite firm and so lightweight skiers may find themselves better off and looking at the the flex choices in a lane and rosignol where the Nordic goes just bruised, you know, quite brutish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've they've changed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dalbello makes a world cup plug as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and though it's not hugely popular for some some athletes and some skiers it seems to work out perfect right just the way the boots set up um again yeah like it or you don't
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, any comments on the other, so you sort of mentioned a little bit on the wide, but you know that person that has the really low arch, flat afoot, because I know, I mean, I don't have, maybe I'm still in the middle, but I definitely noticed when I got on the fisher, the fisher really sculpted in under my arch, and I had to broaden it under here to not feel like I was kind of being pushed to my pinky toe edge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Any advice on those ones of you don't want to, I know a lot of people like maybe from China, Japan, like their feet tend to be that is this sort of not that European, you know Norwegian high arch or that that's right, yeah any advice for those ones because those people are going to need to do do a bit of work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on how much contact you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, almost every boot has every plug boot has quite a scallop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do notice that on the laying and rosy, they pre, they've actually pre-shaped it internally when you look down inside, you'll actually see a bump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has already been put in and then on their plus series they've already actually cape the bottom of the boot to be a little bit wider the way it's shaped doesn't curve back in and actually curve down to a hard edge and so if you if you've got a little wider or a little more fleshy foot it kind of drops in the boot a little bit better in their plus series
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[SPEAKER_00]: boots compared to their non-plus service boots, but we're only talking a couple millimeters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, anybody who's got a lot of flesh on the medial side of the foot or the new vehicular really sticking out is going to have to have modification.
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[SPEAKER_02]: all these boats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen scares with very fleshy feet and they just wedge themselves in here with very little work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I've seen others with what you would think be like, wow, that that should go in a no problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just end up grinding, you know, just grinding and shaping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just your compression tolerance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much can you handle for X amount of time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then what about a new experience speaking to someone coming in with their atomic then Nordic art being like, here's my project, Brent, help me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any preferences like certain ones are easy to grind or punch or they're pretty similar in that respect to work on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I find them all very similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the most important thing is do you have the right size, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these boots out of the box, your toes should be right up on the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's literally a little smooth showed at first on the end because your heel, your ankle is not all the way back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just put these up on the ankles, the other way back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to work that liner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go in, do some shaping to get everything to pull back into the boot properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in the NVIDIA area, you can get really locked up in there and you're not all the way back in the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, if you get them, you got to make sure you are walled-a-wall internally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then the space is made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're too big, then it doesn't really matter the brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to function properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of like working on them, they're all the best plastics, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the best stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any boot, any color, any brand of the top level is great to work on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wonderful to get in there and grind and shape and patchy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, you can be quite creative with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm not going to, you know, I don't discriminate and it's like, oh, you've got a, this brand versus that brand, it's like, no, are we in the right size?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we in the right, and in the right, flex, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably any helpful hints there because you'll find do you get the one ten one twenty one thirty one forty one fifty one seventy you know Yeah any hints on on that one for for people
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're lightweight, you've never had one of these before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in your lightweight, you're going to be looking at the 110 model for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of performance in the 110 and you've never had one of these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your 150 pounds are under 160 pounds and under the one tap, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it a great entry into your over 150, 60 pounds?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just get the 130, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can always notch it a little bit to tune the flex, but the 130 is going to be more than enough
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[SPEAKER_00]: to handle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got experience with these boots, you've actually spent time, you're not your first pair, not your second pair, and you lot even more responsiveness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then yeah, the 140-150-160.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sure, bring it on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're lightweight, I mean, if you're under 150, 160 pounds, you're never going to go past the 130.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see athletes or top level skiers over under 160 pounds wrestling with a 140 very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just doesn't turn out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you've answered this before, but I can't remember that how they make a 1, 10 versus 1, 30 boot, say in the podium, it's not just thickness, is it also the thickness always stays the same, it's just the formulation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the formulation, right, they don't make the boot thicker, they just add material that makes the boot stiffer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you got the same blank to work with a man of grinding potential out of it out of a one ten versus one thirty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the the agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They mix with it to a ton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they make them softer, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like like laying in rosy, they make them down to a z-soft like a 100 flex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a very soft flexes in the atomic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get soft flexes in the, in the Dow Bellows, well, the head, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The head comes down to a, they call a WCR6, which is, it's pretty stout little, you know, 110, but they do make a wide range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the manufacturers offer me even a short cuff version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of have to understand your anatomy a little bit and understand your strength to weight ratio before you choose before you choose the boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on a lady's size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Langen Razi, they start off with their Z soft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's their junior version of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very soft flexing boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their manufacturers do offer a shorter cuff version of that, especially atomic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the head offers the WCR 5 and 6.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they will come with a shorter cuff already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're assuming that your U14, U16 is going to be,
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[SPEAKER_00]: out yet and they know they're going to be lighter weight and they're going to be smaller in that tibia shorter in the tibia so they do offer a shorter cuff model for for growing athletes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's kind of covered all the all the bases right for the person that is thinking I want to upgrade my boots to go to my upgraded skis and push my skiing or push my instructing certificate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a project as as Brent mentioned and you can go all in with the latest one, but you need to order early, but there is an option like you mentioned,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just go find a good boot fit that's ready to work with all those different places Brent mentioned you're going to need to adjust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't forget to buy heaters and heated socks because these things are heat sinks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is a really good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd, yeah, would, would concur with that, massively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The hated socks, I think, especially a more of a fan of that than the hated insult thing, either way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's whatever your preferences, but these are not known to be warm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not that that's solid lug of a soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pulls heat out of the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: do a night training or you're going to do any night skiing or even out in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't lend themselves to like eight hour sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to put some creature comforts into like a neoprene cover, heated socks, heaters, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to go build a bell with these boots, you kind of got to give them some creature comforts to be able to do that with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well that's what I definitely want to mention like this this boot I can still put it on in the morning ski all day and even stick around for a bit of appray so my point there is they don't have to be boxes of pain for your feet you just need to spend the time to to adjust them and really create that perfect sort of space for your foot which is actually quite possible
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[SPEAKER_02]: with this whole plug set up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to mention to people, it's not part and parcel that you get in this boot and you have to put up with the pain for the performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just need to spend more time, maybe with the boot fitter to work on these little nooks and crannies and spots, would you agree with that one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can take it on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're your woodworker, you've got workshop skills by a forum, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just get them on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a carbide ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a boot opener.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can make your own tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go in there and just move your mind away on your own and learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, careful as you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to take
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost recommend you kind of learn what's going on inside there, and you can, I mean, if you don't have the time, that's I get it go to your booth fitter, you don't have the skills go to your booth fitter, but if you're crafty, like you are, you do a lot of your own work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do all of it, yeah, do all of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so you can learn how to do the work and kind of do the work to maintain that fitter to modify the fitters you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's right, especially if it like now I love the plug boot fit and so that for them grinder and the little bits that you suggested to buy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now there's a great investment because as soon as the next boot comes along and I've practiced on this one, I can go in and do it and but yeah, working with the fit of first to maybe even just go in and just watch them, you know, do you mind if they're not too busy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just watch you grind that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if you're invested in it, that's the tool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your own tools, good option for future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it can be, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks so much for your time, expertise and knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If people are looking there in the states or want to come see you, can you just give a shout out of how they find you, where you are the website booking procedure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Park City ski boot, located in Park City, Utah, you can go to our website, Park City ski boot.com, fill out the little form submission and, you know, give me your story and ask for an appointment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The season basically starts now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm setting up boots for South America and Australia and going into the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, if you're looking for this performance
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we can get started, you know, at the very least we can get the conversation going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what I thought it would be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do idea too is anyone that owns a shop that can do all this sort of stuff to maybe if they could leave a comment or a link to that to their shop as well, then kind of got a place where people can maybe check other places around the world in Europe and other parts to find a boot fitter for the can work with a plug boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not every shop is capable for this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but there are shops all across the United States in the ski zone that are more than qualified to work on these level boots all the way from California to Vermont.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a list of fitters and if you can always reach out to me and say, hey, I live in this state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the closest qualified Pludboo level You know, fitter out there and I can always guide you to that shop or that specific person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm Tom Galley from Big Pitches King, and my goal is to help improve your skin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've a learning platform and an app that is designed to help you utilize your time off snow so you can maximize the time on snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I put so much time and research in the best coaching methods, really good visuals, simple drills, feelings that allow you to watch say a 10 minute video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the night before you go skiing, go out the next day, practice the drills, practice the concepts and your skiing is going to level up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now don't just take my word for it through all the Google reviews about 9 out of 10 people say that they've improved their skiing through using big picture skiing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And more than that, people go on to say that they often learn more through the big pitch of skiing videos than with real on snow lessons that they've had in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, don't take my word for it, go check it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're a self-driven learner, you love your skiing, you find enjoyment through improvement and getting better, just like I do, then I think you'll really enjoy the pitch of skiing, go over and check it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On this week's Big Pitches Game podcast, I actually interviewed Brent Armsbury, Master Boot Fitter about plug boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now these are the race boots that both Liam and I are wearing here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very thick, solid, uncomfortable to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Brent and I talk everything you need to know about getting a pair of boots set up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now Liam,
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[SPEAKER_02]: was just saying like he's going to need to leave it three o'clock because his feet are getting sore because he's in the early stages of setting a boot up like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But aside from the pain which you kind of need to go through, what were the positives on your first time like carving with them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like a night and day between these boots in my old ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got so much like performance out of the boot at the end of the turn that the boot would hold up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't fold through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was able to transition all this energy from one turn to the next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam's ski, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing changed just to the boot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a completely different feeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The extremely powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, the goods aren't very, very powerful, and we can talk about that about, we know what makes them more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a really rewarding, like something I want to chase in every turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Liam is actually the perfect person for this type of boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going for his level four Australian skin structure certificate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a good skier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're really chasing high performance turns, maybe you're right into Carver, you're an instructor out there trying to push your level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting into this boot is going to help you achieve that a whole lot easier, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it allows you to do things in skiing that you couldn't do in a boot that you're going to fold every turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway without further ado, let's get into this podcast episode all about plug boots and see if this is maybe something you want to do yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good Brent, we're here today to talk about plug skibboots, okay, so this racing type of skibboot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're watching listening to this, is this applicable for you who's the kind of person that would consider a plug skibboot?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing we really have to establish is that, I mean, these boots right here, they're the shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are the absolute hinnacle of the performance level available out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plug boots that you can buy, maybe go into race shop, maybe you can access an order form or you find them online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are almost exactly the same boots that are World Cup race for videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking for the maximum performance level that's available to you this this is the boot right you might be a master's racer you might be a very high level instructor looking or somebody who's looking to train into racing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe you want to lift your car of school or way past the 141-45.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're knocking on 145.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking for 151-60, you know, 165.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is probably going to be the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you're driving race skis, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just like race skis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fiss, non-fiss, master's level, your goal is to make race skis work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the right boot to match with that ski.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quick comment on that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I really noticed going into a plug boot versus the, because there's a step between this plug boot and the sort of recreational race boots that kind of look a bit like them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember going to this one, which is like a world cup boot, and feeling the control over my carve skis, step it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, now it's not the ski, it sort of matches the ski a whole lot better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was easier to drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're definitely, um, is very extremely powerful, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The boots aren't very, very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's, you know, we can talk about that about what makes them more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because they look just like, I mean, it's a four-buckle boot, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You pull it out of the axis and say, let's talk about the kind of the anatomy inside, like, what, why is it called a plug boot for instance?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it all comes from the internal right like inside if you when you look at these boots when they look like they have a very narrow profile and they do so the inner plug when they put it into the mold that's the smallest right I got this nickname like that the make this boot with a thicker shell wall so could drive it could
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[SPEAKER_00]: sand energy, they put the smallest last or the plug inside and injected it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you came out with a boot with really sick, you know, really sick walls, really sick spine, everything about the boot,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of the way it's shaped is very narrow inside, but very thick plastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what happens is that if you want to get the foot really close to the plastic, you kind of have this sort of block of wood, or block of plastic, they can then grind in, shape in the foot shape, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: To get the release you need in certain areas and zones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: The boot itself is different, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's manufactured different in its angles compared to your free ride boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the first things, when you look just a numbers, is that the forward lean on these boots is higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, they're coming out of the box at, you know, 6, 14, 16 or higher degrees of forward lean depending on the on the spoiler, but they're going to come out of the box at about, you know, 16 degrees of forward lean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's way higher than a standard free right boot of, you know, 12, 13 or 14 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got right away more forward lean and a much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes way up much further extended up the back of your leg for the reasons of support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to go fast in these boots, you know, you want it's to be holding you so that you stay on top of your skates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, speed skiers, they even extend them even higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They put in braces, carbon fiber braces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We come off a jump at 80 miles an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do not want this
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're getting you behind the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots with the thick spine and the taller back will drive you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll make you feel like you're being driven over the tip of the ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then there's you know internal ramp angles ramp angles and side here are pretty standard compared to most of the industry boots at about four degrees some models will offer 3.5 just a little lower and so the but the bootboard inside and bottom of this boot is a PU injected hard foam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's designed actually to be ground down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you gives you this range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most racers tend to reduce their ramp angles to close down their ankles to get a faster response.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the boot is designed to have you change the ramp angle that you feel is most appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can add to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair rarely, anybody will do that, but most of the time they will actually drop the ramp angle down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll start at that four degrees and may find yourself going to three and a half or three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen two, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the boot is designed to be able to change the angles from forward lean to ramp angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the biggest thing you're getting with these boots is this big
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you get a box and you pick your boot out of the box, you instantly feel they are heavier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more plastic here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the team models, even how an extended sole, that five more millimeters of plastic, extended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get a built-in lifter and more plastic to do counting and angle changes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get a very thick soul that controls the torsional rigidity at the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you're really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the big features of a plugin is that very thick solid soul on the boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would say that's a real noticeable thing, like a felt thing, isn't that inability for the boot to really twist compared to some of the top end, yeah, kind of performance boots, free ride boots, those things, yeah, can twist it whole up more easily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I know, I mean, I was in New Zealand just the other week and having to carry these in my backpack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wait a lot more than Archie and Jenny's boots, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My son picked on, he's like, goddad, your boots are so heavy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a consideration, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting into these boots there a lot heavier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then that kind of does give you a felt sense of also kind of been quite grounded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for car speed, yeah, stability feeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're getting a different plastic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots are all made of a PU but poly ether, base bath plastics instead of a polyester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually there's a lot of PU boots out there made with a polyester base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a little debtor, right, that they're not quite as reactive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the poly ether, when you look at the price tags of these, you know, they have retail price tags of $1,000 to $1,300, but what you're getting is the best possible plastic manufacturer can formulate for these, but it's absolutely the best stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's amazing to work with, it just, you know, it crimes it up, punches, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I suppose we should go then next, if you're going to go down this road, it's a project in a box.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you said to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And would totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm over 24 hours of accumulated time spent on my boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even after being away, and using it, I need to come back and there's a little spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a punch that after skiing six days in a row, I just need a little bit more room, maybe a punch as
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[SPEAKER_02]: moved a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But speak to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to push my calves cause I want to get my highest level instructor train assert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need these boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you need to expect?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just buy the boot and go skiing at can you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, they, they are 100% of project on a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're not going to, you just don't open it up and, you know, like a standard free ride boot with grip rock souls, you know, and a cushy liner, you can just warm it up, you know, or go to the shop, they heat mold it, and you know, you can just go on skiing it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very little, you know, a problem, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you're not going to get, like, you're, you're going to be able to get through the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing you notice is how narrow they are in the midfoot, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really, really narrow in the bottom and narrow in the midfoot and they're just clamping your foot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to do have to do some fitting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The average foot is going to need, you know, around the pinky toe and the sixth toe around the ball, the foot, you're probably going to need to go in and do some reshaping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ankle bones in here are usually quite tight inside and outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not uncommon if to go and do a little extra shaping on those So you're you're gonna have to spend some time reshaping the boot and then the boot the boot souls themselves You look at the head boot that got the two holes right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are made for lifters, right you can put You can put the standard race lifters on but some of these boots actually have a Viperum alternative all right, or you can even put a grip walk
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[SPEAKER_00]: on it if you wanted to make it more of a broad spectrum free rideable boot, but you're going to need to put those in heels on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't always come flat, not everyone of these boots in the industry comes perfectly flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the production run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I talk to colleagues, they'll be sending out Facebook messages going, hey, have you seen this build?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It came out of the box kind of twisted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you get a pair, first thing you do is it's going to be on a table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfectly flat, smooth, table, and see if they're rockered a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a catastrophe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, oh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This little twist in it, and you'll need to go to a shop with a planer they can go and just lightly knock down the high point on there and get it true back up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of that project process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't take for granted that this boot's going to come out of a box and sit true on a flat surface.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll need, you know, grinding, shaping, lifters, whatever your choice is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, fine tuning, the cuff, the upper, the upper cuff canting, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A cuff adjustments, they usually come with cams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you can bring them a one degree out, one degree in, half degree out, half degree in, like yours, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got specialized little cans to get the angle that you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But these boots, a plug boots usually come with a set of cans that can generate appropriate amount of other cuff angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll need to get that set because these do sit higher up on your leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they really are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: flat out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you'll need to get that fine tuning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take it for granted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the liners are so much thinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're up against plastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not on a push, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't sort of self self adjusts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There goes much deep in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if the angles are right, it's going to push your leg or the ski a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the precision you kind of need to be looking for and your fit goes up and so there's there's another bit of time, a munitone invest to get that performance out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's definitely time and dedication that you'll need to get these set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when you think you've got them set up, you'll need to go back, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You spend three or four days in a minute, oh, man, something around the heel or something around the ankle bone isn't, you know, it's not quite very yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little painful or even just not allowing the foot to articulate, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have to go back and you continue adjustments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I say the project in a box, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a slam dunk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a pair of the best, you know, high performance boot out there ultra performance World Cup performance and you just put your foot in and go and it just rarely happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you did, you probably got the boot too big Right, because these goods are they're made to be downsize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to be as tight as you can possibly get Even in the toes and you've got to reshape the boot internally to get it just right
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's partly why you reached out now, because we'd spoke about this a couple of, even mid-season, North American season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said, Tom, I think now's a good time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just about to hit August to discuss this topic because you want some time to not be stressed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going on snow next week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a good time to go and get these boots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, get it in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you've got plenty of time to feel it out and go back and forth with your bootfitter
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an availability cycle as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, they start becoming available to the, you know, the top elite racers in the spring because they've coming, they're coming off their season, their stuff's jumped out and now it's maybe they change brands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But or they're going to go testing, but boots start, you know, being available in the spring
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, if you come in and say, hey, Brad, I'm looking for this boot, you know, give me an appointment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can go to the distributor and say, okay, let's take a look with what they've got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their inventory is usually much fuller from now until September, October, and you can then get your hands on these boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're wiped out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every eraser, every kid, every, you know, master's racer, um, instructor, whew, you know, whomever, right, who's looking for this boot hem, um, they've, they've locked onto onto a pair of boots, um, you know, it's against, yeah, yeah, it's a considerable investment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you are going to go down this road, you were mentioning
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they're they're going to MSRP right 1,000 to 1,300 right, but that you know that's where they say if just straight across retail if you're a US to say race or you're going to have access a little bit lower price.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you mentioned that yeah, not a option.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you want us to go to that one too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so in terms of the boot itself, like you can find these at lower prices, if you're willing, of course, not take this year's model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, some of these boots get purchased, or they go through the hands of racers, sponsored racers, they may get a few pair, and they just end up living in a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for two or three seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the distributor has a bunch of extra product and they release it out to an online retailer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, I could probably go the internet right now, find a four or five six year old model, under $200 and guess what, they're still great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing so revolutionary about these boots in the last 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means that this your model is that much greater than one from six years ago, or seven years ago, you know, I could take I could take a Fisher, you know, like a first year Fisher podium from 2013.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the plastic still great, as long as it was well-capped in the box and controlled environment, didn't live in a hawk garage, that boot's going to be no problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any brand?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have no problem grabbing a $199.6-year-old model and set it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so yeah, so that's the way to yeah get into it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like if you're like really scared of the project in the box for a thousand thirteen hundred and then you got all this other Work you got to do on top of it you could you be looking at two to twenty five hundred dollars when you're all done That could be really scary where you could find one for one ninety nine and then Put the the time and injury and energy into it without breaking the back
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and those, you know, this boot now, uh, I was saying to you before it doesn't feel like where I'm not noticing it getting too dead or anything, the plastic is holding up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really well, like they're built so solid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once I've got this right, I do not want to really change this boot for a while because it's, it's, I've got it just right of performance and comfort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the middle there and it feels like it's still going to keep giving me some more seasons as long as I kind of keep it out of the sun when I'm not skiing on it and yeah so they definitely have a longer shelf life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These things are built tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have a longer work life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, racers tend to burn through them, but they train a lot harder on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're using as a free ride, I, you know, pop and free ride, hop and boom, you can go hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of days on them, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just taking care of them, replacing buckles, replacing toes and heels, replacing the power strap, the liner, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty common to have to after a season, these thin liners pack out and get very thin and broken down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just upgraded to a zip fit, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to zip fit or get an original liner fort, but you can easily upgrade the liner and then get another hundreds of days out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then do you want to speak to the little nuances between the brands?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If so, say you are and one shop only has certain brands available or you're looking at some six-year-old boots, atomic ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you want to speak to that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So people, I guess get an idea of if there's a great difference or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it just from my opinion, and I think it's shared by many race coaches out there, the lying and the rosy are kind of like right down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the reference standard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very common for race coaches and race kids to be like the coaches to be like, just, you know, if we got questions about the equipment, we just put you in a lying and rosy and then we work out the details later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're right down the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're looking at the other brands out there, you know, head, I mean, the head's got a ton of victories, but the boots a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the, the flex on it, I would say, you know, on the back it's just a little higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Ford lean and all that is pretty similar, but the boots not quite as neutral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, as the laying in the rosy, there's a different feel from the boot when you ski on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, a comment I get is it's very light switch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on or it's off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on or it's off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think bigger, heavier, stronger athletes and skiers may appreciate this boot a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we go to the atomic, I know with the atomic boot, it seems to have a little lower cuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's quite a few variations of their plug boots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the STI, the TI, so they've got different hinge points and different variations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, where they kind of separate you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is more for a female athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is more for a bigger male athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, there's women who are on the bigger cipher boots as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: their boots are a little bit different, the fisher, so the fisher, the angles are a little bit different, the four leans a little bit higher, the fit in the shape inside is a little more open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a wider chunkier foot or taller foot, the fisher seems to
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of do really well for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're really pensily, the fisher doesn't seem to attract that anatomy very well, where the atomic and the laying rosy seems to work better for a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we've got the Nordica and the Technica, you know, the Technica Dolberman been around for decades and decades, you know, the latest iterations got kind of a cool liner with a lacing system that kind of pulls around the ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That boot I would also put as a little bit easier, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that the plastic's on a quite, quite firm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so once it
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[SPEAKER_00]: quite quite firm and so lightweight skiers may find themselves better off and looking at the the flex choices in a lane and rosignol where the Nordic goes just bruised, you know, quite brutish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've they've changed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dalbello makes a world cup plug as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and though it's not hugely popular for some some athletes and some skiers it seems to work out perfect right just the way the boots set up um again yeah like it or you don't
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, any comments on the other, so you sort of mentioned a little bit on the wide, but you know that person that has the really low arch, flat afoot, because I know, I mean, I don't have, maybe I'm still in the middle, but I definitely noticed when I got on the fisher, the fisher really sculpted in under my arch, and I had to broaden it under here to not feel like I was kind of being pushed to my pinky toe edge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Any advice on those ones of you don't want to, I know a lot of people like maybe from China, Japan, like their feet tend to be that is this sort of not that European, you know Norwegian high arch or that that's right, yeah any advice for those ones because those people are going to need to do do a bit of work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on how much contact you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, almost every boot has every plug boot has quite a scallop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do notice that on the laying and rosy, they pre, they've actually pre-shaped it internally when you look down inside, you'll actually see a bump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has already been put in and then on their plus series they've already actually cape the bottom of the boot to be a little bit wider the way it's shaped doesn't curve back in and actually curve down to a hard edge and so if you if you've got a little wider or a little more fleshy foot it kind of drops in the boot a little bit better in their plus series
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[SPEAKER_00]: boots compared to their non-plus service boots, but we're only talking a couple millimeters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, anybody who's got a lot of flesh on the medial side of the foot or the new vehicular really sticking out is going to have to have modification.
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[SPEAKER_02]: all these boats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen scares with very fleshy feet and they just wedge themselves in here with very little work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I've seen others with what you would think be like, wow, that that should go in a no problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just end up grinding, you know, just grinding and shaping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just your compression tolerance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much can you handle for X amount of time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then what about a new experience speaking to someone coming in with their atomic then Nordic art being like, here's my project, Brent, help me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any preferences like certain ones are easy to grind or punch or they're pretty similar in that respect to work on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I find them all very similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the most important thing is do you have the right size, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these boots out of the box, your toes should be right up on the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's literally a little smooth showed at first on the end because your heel, your ankle is not all the way back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just put these up on the ankles, the other way back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to work that liner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go in, do some shaping to get everything to pull back into the boot properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in the NVIDIA area, you can get really locked up in there and you're not all the way back in the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these boots, if you get them, you got to make sure you are walled-a-wall internally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then the space is made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're too big, then it doesn't really matter the brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to function properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of like working on them, they're all the best plastics, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the best stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any boot, any color, any brand of the top level is great to work on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wonderful to get in there and grind and shape and patchy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, you can be quite creative with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm not going to, you know, I don't discriminate and it's like, oh, you've got a, this brand versus that brand, it's like, no, are we in the right size?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we in the right, and in the right, flex, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably any helpful hints there because you'll find do you get the one ten one twenty one thirty one forty one fifty one seventy you know Yeah any hints on on that one for for people
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're lightweight, you've never had one of these before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in your lightweight, you're going to be looking at the 110 model for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of performance in the 110 and you've never had one of these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your 150 pounds are under 160 pounds and under the one tap, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it a great entry into your over 150, 60 pounds?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just get the 130, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can always notch it a little bit to tune the flex, but the 130 is going to be more than enough
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[SPEAKER_00]: to handle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got experience with these boots, you've actually spent time, you're not your first pair, not your second pair, and you lot even more responsiveness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then yeah, the 140-150-160.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sure, bring it on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're lightweight, I mean, if you're under 150, 160 pounds, you're never going to go past the 130.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see athletes or top level skiers over under 160 pounds wrestling with a 140 very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just doesn't turn out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you've answered this before, but I can't remember that how they make a 1, 10 versus 1, 30 boot, say in the podium, it's not just thickness, is it also the thickness always stays the same, it's just the formulation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the formulation, right, they don't make the boot thicker, they just add material that makes the boot stiffer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you got the same blank to work with a man of grinding potential out of it out of a one ten versus one thirty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the the agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They mix with it to a ton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they make them softer, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like like laying in rosy, they make them down to a z-soft like a 100 flex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a very soft flexes in the atomic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get soft flexes in the, in the Dow Bellows, well, the head, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The head comes down to a, they call a WCR6, which is, it's pretty stout little, you know, 110, but they do make a wide range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the manufacturers offer me even a short cuff version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of have to understand your anatomy a little bit and understand your strength to weight ratio before you choose before you choose the boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on a lady's size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Langen Razi, they start off with their Z soft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's their junior version of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very soft flexing boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their manufacturers do offer a shorter cuff version of that, especially atomic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the head offers the WCR 5 and 6.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they will come with a shorter cuff already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're assuming that your U14, U16 is going to be,
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[SPEAKER_00]: out yet and they know they're going to be lighter weight and they're going to be smaller in that tibia shorter in the tibia so they do offer a shorter cuff model for for growing athletes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's kind of covered all the all the bases right for the person that is thinking I want to upgrade my boots to go to my upgraded skis and push my skiing or push my instructing certificate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a project as as Brent mentioned and you can go all in with the latest one, but you need to order early, but there is an option like you mentioned,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just go find a good boot fit that's ready to work with all those different places Brent mentioned you're going to need to adjust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't forget to buy heaters and heated socks because these things are heat sinks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is a really good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd, yeah, would, would concur with that, massively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The hated socks, I think, especially a more of a fan of that than the hated insult thing, either way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's whatever your preferences, but these are not known to be warm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not that that's solid lug of a soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pulls heat out of the boot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: do a night training or you're going to do any night skiing or even out in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't lend themselves to like eight hour sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to put some creature comforts into like a neoprene cover, heated socks, heaters, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to go build a bell with these boots, you kind of got to give them some creature comforts to be able to do that with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well that's what I definitely want to mention like this this boot I can still put it on in the morning ski all day and even stick around for a bit of appray so my point there is they don't have to be boxes of pain for your feet you just need to spend the time to to adjust them and really create that perfect sort of space for your foot which is actually quite possible
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[SPEAKER_02]: with this whole plug set up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to mention to people, it's not part and parcel that you get in this boot and you have to put up with the pain for the performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just need to spend more time, maybe with the boot fitter to work on these little nooks and crannies and spots, would you agree with that one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can take it on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're your woodworker, you've got workshop skills by a forum, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just get them on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a carbide ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a boot opener.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can make your own tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go in there and just move your mind away on your own and learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, careful as you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to take
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost recommend you kind of learn what's going on inside there, and you can, I mean, if you don't have the time, that's I get it go to your booth fitter, you don't have the skills go to your booth fitter, but if you're crafty, like you are, you do a lot of your own work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do all of it, yeah, do all of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so you can learn how to do the work and kind of do the work to maintain that fitter to modify the fitters you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's right, especially if it like now I love the plug boot fit and so that for them grinder and the little bits that you suggested to buy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now there's a great investment because as soon as the next boot comes along and I've practiced on this one, I can go in and do it and but yeah, working with the fit of first to maybe even just go in and just watch them, you know, do you mind if they're not too busy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just watch you grind that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if you're invested in it, that's the tool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your own tools, good option for future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it can be, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks so much for your time, expertise and knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If people are looking there in the states or want to come see you, can you just give a shout out of how they find you, where you are the website booking procedure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Park City ski boot, located in Park City, Utah, you can go to our website, Park City ski boot.com, fill out the little form submission and, you know, give me your story and ask for an appointment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The season basically starts now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm setting up boots for South America and Australia and going into the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, if you're looking for this performance
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we can get started, you know, at the very least we can get the conversation going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what I thought it would be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do idea too is anyone that owns a shop that can do all this sort of stuff to maybe if they could leave a comment or a link to that to their shop as well, then kind of got a place where people can maybe check other places around the world in Europe and other parts to find a boot fitter for the can work with a plug boot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not every shop is capable for this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but there are shops all across the United States in the ski zone that are more than qualified to work on these level boots all the way from California to Vermont.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a list of fitters and if you can always reach out to me and say, hey, I live in this state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the closest qualified Pludboo level You know, fitter out there and I can always guide you to that shop or that specific person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: fantastic.
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