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Any motives ever come out about the shooter and the
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reason that he did it. You know, a lot of articles,
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you know, online try and say that it wasn't politically
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motivated or religiously motivated. But not religiously motivated, does it
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make a lot of sense to me at all, Because
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if you're going to shoot up a church kind of
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means that you have problems with religion. Right on a
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certain level, on the premise of just doing that, you
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would think that you would have a problem with religion.
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And you have to be a very deranged, mentally unstable
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individual to do anything like that, just from the very beginning,
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just from the jump, regardless of it it's out a
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church or out of school or really murdering or killing
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any innocent person is dranged in my mind right, and
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some would even say demonic in nature. So what was
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the reasoning and the mode of behind this individual?
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Well, so a little background about him, And I never
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used his name because first off, I don't want his
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name tied to mind, I cringe every time I hear that.
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But a little bit about his background. He was in
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the Air Force prior, and they put him in prison
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because he disassembled his infant son's puppy alive in front
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of his infant son to get him to quit crying.
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And why would the boy quit crying after that after
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seeing his puppy that way? And so then he beat
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his infant son until he fractured his skull and put
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him in a coma. So the Air Force put him
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in prison for a year and a half. And when
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he got out of prison, they brought him before board
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to get him out of the Air Force, and he
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walked in before the board members and said I'm gonna
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go get my gun and I'm gonna kill every one
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of you, so terroristic threats. They put him in a
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mental institution, and he escaped from the mental institution and
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they gave him a less than honorable discharge. And the
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week before he came into the church, he was at
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their fall festival and he was using profanity and stuff
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and yelling and screaming that he hated Christian and they
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trespassed him and told him to leave, and he left
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and he said I'll be back. His mother and father
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in law and brother in law went to that church,
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and his wife's grandmother also went to that church. His
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mother and father in law and brother in law were
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not there that morning, but he did kill his wife's grandmother. So,
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and he handcuffed his wife to the bed with two
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infants in the house before he left that morning.
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It seems like a very deranged individual. Did he always
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live there? Was he born and raised there? Did you
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know him previously to this?
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No? I did not. His wife was from Sutherland Springs,
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but he was from a neighboring community about forty miles away.
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Okay, So his wife lived there in the town.
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His wife was raised in Sutherland Springs, Yes.
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And they lived together. So he had moved here, moved
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into your town.
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Yeah, he moved. He moved into San Marcus, which was
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where his parents lived.
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Okay.
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So he lived in the same town that his parents lived,
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where he grew up at. He just came to Southern Springs.
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Do you ever think that the media inadvertently is breeding
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more shooters by covering certain stories and making a national
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news while others are kind of, you know, brushed under
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the rug. I mean, I'm sure you're aware that a
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large majority of school shootings Now, I know schools are
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different than churches, but most school shootings are committed by
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the kids themselves. It's kids bringing guns to school, firing them,
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shooting them at other kids or other teachers, right, And
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we don't really get reports on that. It's only when
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adults come into the picture, into the school, which they
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normally don't have any connection to the school whatsoever. Those
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are the ones that kind of get the most coverage
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because they are the most deadly ones.
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And most of them the kids are out of school
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and they go back to the school. That's not true,
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you don't think.
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So, not true at all. No, a lot of them
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are kids that actually go to the school, that bring
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a gun to the school and firing. Now I'm not
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saying that they all we shoot someone in every single instance,
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but firing a gun at school or hitting someone or
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shooting someone is mostly done by the kid that actually
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attends that school. There's a percentage of them that is
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very very very very high.
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There is there is there is a percentage of them
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that do that. And again, just like Evaldi, though he
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didn't go to that school anymore and he went back
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to it. The Tennessee one where the transgender she went
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into that school. She never she never attended that school, however,
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he he she she, I don't know what to and
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went to that went to that school specifically because went
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to another school first and saw that there were armed
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security at the other school, and then went to actually
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the Christian school because it knew that there were no
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armed security there. So a lot of these are decided,
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you know, on the fact how much resistance they're going
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to get. And it's obviously it's time to get rid
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of gun free zones altogether. And here in Texas we
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have the School Marshall Program and the School Guardian programs.
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Both of those programs allow teachers and faculty to be
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trained to carry a gun to prevent this kind of
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thing from happening in their schools. Has to be approved
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by the school boards. And you know, there has not
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been one incident of a school that takes part in
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either the Guardian program or the School Marshall program that
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have ever been attacked before. You know, we need to
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get rid of gun free zones. Please go to gun
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owners dot org and sign up. We fight for our
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rights and to take our rights back. And if you're
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picking up junior from the school, you shouldn't be forced
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to leave your gun at the house when you pick
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him up hillmer or her up from school. And the
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teachers should be able to defend their classrooms.
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I definitely agree with that. Do you pay attention to
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more incidents like this because of your involvement in the Sutherland.
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Church, Well, it's really strange because I don't know why.
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You know, I was a competitive shooter. I was a
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farms instructor I taught. I taught self defense classes before
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this ever started. Before it happened in Sutherland Springs, I
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was teaching self defense classes and I don't know why,
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but you know, I guess God wires some of us differently.
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And every time I would hear about one of these
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incidents and it affected me, you know, and I had
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in twenty seventeen, the Las Vegas shooting had just happened
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just before Sutherland Springs, and I was discussing it with
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people that I worked with, you know, and one of
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them was going to a concert outdoor concert in Austin
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after what happened in Las Vegas. He was asking me,
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and I said, you can't let these things stop you
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from enjoying life. However, there's some things that you can do.
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You know, you don't have to leave the same exit
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that you entered into, and if something like this happens,
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get out as fast. Don't try to find the exit
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that you entered into. You know, heads up and watch
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things all around you and be aware of what's going
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on and be ready to react. And I had just
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told him about all that after the Vegas shooting and
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then Sutherland Springs happened and why I was I guess
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trained for that kind of thing. Again, I don't believe
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in coincidences. I believe that there's a plan everything.
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Have you looked more into that Vegas shooting, there's a
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lot of really weird and strange anomalies, Like there were
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people reporting shootings like gunfire and stuff like all over
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that Vegas area. It wasn't just happening at the concert.
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There were calls from people ten blocks away and hotels
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that believe that shooting was happening there. There's been a
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lot of investigation in on that. And actually spoke with
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a lady that was involved in that, and she was
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actually shot in the stomach by the shooter and she reports,
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Now I don't know how true this is, but she
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reports that when she was shot in the stomach, she
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literally witnessed the bully shoot back out of her. Right now,
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she's a legitimate victim of the shooting. She was really there.
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All that's verified. But she saw it go in her
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and then shoot back out of her. And then whenever
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the police showed up and all that was going on there,
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she had said that the police had told her at
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that time right now, you know, later on it was
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said that there was just you know, the one guy
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that you know, oft himself up up in the hotel room.
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But whenever that happened, she went to the police, and
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the police said that they were aware of multiple shooters
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at that time. So, well, I don't really know the
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truth there. It's a very convoluted and wild story there
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in Vegas.
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Well, when something like this happens, there's rumors of a
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lot of stuff that happened. You know, people were saying
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there were multiple shooters in Sutherland Springs. There wasn't. It
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was just one man. So right after, directly after it happens,
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there's a lot of misinformation out there, and that's why
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you try to set back and wait until all the
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facts come out. After the Vale shooting, I did a
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lot of radio shows and podcasts and stuff because they
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wanted to know my take, and I was always, you know,
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let's wait and let all the facts come out before
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we just you know, there's a lot of rumors and
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stuff going on now, and it's best just to step
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back and wait till the facts come out before you
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start talking about it. I want it very badly to
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defend the police department and Uvalde right after the shooting.
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I always take the side of the police when I can,
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but as facts work their way out, it looked like
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it was an absolute failure on the value police department.
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Well I don't always just jump to that conclusion right away,
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because police, for the most part, are men and women
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that would put their lives on the line for you
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and they don't even know who you are. But there
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are times when they fail to act correctly, and Uvalde
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was one of those times.
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What do you think it is or was the biggest
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misunderstanding about what happened at Sutherland.
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Well, there was there was just all kinds of speculation
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in Sutherland Springs, you know, and you know it just
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it was just one guy and and you know, until
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everything came out and settled down. People were trying to
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make it. I saw so many false reports on TV
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and stuff, even even before my name came out. I
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actually after the shooting was done. Uh and I had
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to stay at the crash scene for four
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Any motives ever come out about the shooter and the
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reason that he did it. You know, a lot of articles,
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you know, online try and say that it wasn't politically
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motivated or religiously motivated. But not religiously motivated, does it
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make a lot of sense to me at all, Because
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if you're going to shoot up a church kind of
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means that you have problems with religion. Right on a
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certain level, on the premise of just doing that, you
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would think that you would have a problem with religion.
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And you have to be a very deranged, mentally unstable
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individual to do anything like that, just from the very beginning,
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just from the jump, regardless of it it's out a
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church or out of school or really murdering or killing
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any innocent person is dranged in my mind right, and
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some would even say demonic in nature. So what was
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the reasoning and the mode of behind this individual?
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Well, so a little background about him, And I never
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used his name because first off, I don't want his
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name tied to mind, I cringe every time I hear that.
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But a little bit about his background. He was in
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the Air Force prior, and they put him in prison
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because he disassembled his infant son's puppy alive in front
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of his infant son to get him to quit crying.
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And why would the boy quit crying after that after
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seeing his puppy that way? And so then he beat
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his infant son until he fractured his skull and put
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him in a coma. So the Air Force put him
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in prison for a year and a half. And when
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he got out of prison, they brought him before board
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to get him out of the Air Force, and he
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walked in before the board members and said I'm gonna
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go get my gun and I'm gonna kill every one
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of you, so terroristic threats. They put him in a
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mental institution, and he escaped from the mental institution and
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they gave him a less than honorable discharge. And the
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week before he came into the church, he was at
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their fall festival and he was using profanity and stuff
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and yelling and screaming that he hated Christian and they
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trespassed him and told him to leave, and he left
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and he said I'll be back. His mother and father
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in law and brother in law went to that church,
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and his wife's grandmother also went to that church. His
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mother and father in law and brother in law were
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not there that morning, but he did kill his wife's grandmother. So,
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and he handcuffed his wife to the bed with two
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infants in the house before he left that morning.
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It seems like a very deranged individual. Did he always
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live there? Was he born and raised there? Did you
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know him previously to this?
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No? I did not. His wife was from Sutherland Springs,
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but he was from a neighboring community about forty miles away.
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His wife was raised in Sutherland Springs, Yes.
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And they lived together. So he had moved here, moved
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into your town.
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Yeah, he moved. He moved into San Marcus, which was
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where his parents lived.
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So he lived in the same town that his parents lived,
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where he grew up at. He just came to Southern Springs.
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Do you ever think that the media inadvertently is breeding
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more shooters by covering certain stories and making a national
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news while others are kind of, you know, brushed under
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the rug. I mean, I'm sure you're aware that a
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large majority of school shootings Now, I know schools are
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different than churches, but most school shootings are committed by
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the kids themselves. It's kids bringing guns to school, firing them,
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shooting them at other kids or other teachers, right, And
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we don't really get reports on that. It's only when
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adults come into the picture, into the school, which they
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normally don't have any connection to the school whatsoever. Those
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are the ones that kind of get the most coverage
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because they are the most deadly ones.
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And most of them the kids are out of school
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and they go back to the school. That's not true,
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you don't think.
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So, not true at all. No, a lot of them
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are kids that actually go to the school, that bring
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a gun to the school and firing. Now I'm not
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saying that they all we shoot someone in every single instance,
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but firing a gun at school or hitting someone or
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shooting someone is mostly done by the kid that actually
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attends that school. There's a percentage of them that is
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very very very very high.
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There is there is there is a percentage of them
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that do that. And again, just like Evaldi, though he
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didn't go to that school anymore and he went back
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to it. The Tennessee one where the transgender she went
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into that school. She never she never attended that school, however,
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he he she she, I don't know what to and
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went to that went to that school specifically because went
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to another school first and saw that there were armed
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security at the other school, and then went to actually
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the Christian school because it knew that there were no
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armed security there. So a lot of these are decided,
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you know, on the fact how much resistance they're going
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to get. And it's obviously it's time to get rid
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of gun free zones altogether. And here in Texas we
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have the School Marshall Program and the School Guardian programs.
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Both of those programs allow teachers and faculty to be
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trained to carry a gun to prevent this kind of
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thing from happening in their schools. Has to be approved
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by the school boards. And you know, there has not
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been one incident of a school that takes part in
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either the Guardian program or the School Marshall program that
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have ever been attacked before. You know, we need to
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get rid of gun free zones. Please go to gun
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owners dot org and sign up. We fight for our
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rights and to take our rights back. And if you're
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picking up junior from the school, you shouldn't be forced
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to leave your gun at the house when you pick
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him up hillmer or her up from school. And the
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teachers should be able to defend their classrooms.
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I definitely agree with that. Do you pay attention to
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more incidents like this because of your involvement in the Sutherland.
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Church, Well, it's really strange because I don't know why.
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You know, I was a competitive shooter. I was a
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farms instructor I taught. I taught self defense classes before
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this ever started. Before it happened in Sutherland Springs, I
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was teaching self defense classes and I don't know why,
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but you know, I guess God wires some of us differently.
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And every time I would hear about one of these
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incidents and it affected me, you know, and I had
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in twenty seventeen, the Las Vegas shooting had just happened
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just before Sutherland Springs, and I was discussing it with
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people that I worked with, you know, and one of
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them was going to a concert outdoor concert in Austin
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after what happened in Las Vegas. He was asking me,
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and I said, you can't let these things stop you
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from enjoying life. However, there's some things that you can do.
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You know, you don't have to leave the same exit
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that you entered into, and if something like this happens,
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get out as fast. Don't try to find the exit
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that you entered into. You know, heads up and watch
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things all around you and be aware of what's going
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on and be ready to react. And I had just
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told him about all that after the Vegas shooting and
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then Sutherland Springs happened and why I was I guess
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trained for that kind of thing. Again, I don't believe
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in coincidences. I believe that there's a plan everything.
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Have you looked more into that Vegas shooting, there's a
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lot of really weird and strange anomalies, Like there were
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people reporting shootings like gunfire and stuff like all over
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that Vegas area. It wasn't just happening at the concert.
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There were calls from people ten blocks away and hotels
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that believe that shooting was happening there. There's been a
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lot of investigation in on that. And actually spoke with
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a lady that was involved in that, and she was
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actually shot in the stomach by the shooter and she reports,
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reports that when she was shot in the stomach, she
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literally witnessed the bully shoot back out of her. Right now,
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she's a legitimate victim of the shooting. She was really there.
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All that's verified. But she saw it go in her
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and then shoot back out of her. And then whenever
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the police showed up and all that was going on there,
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she had said that the police had told her at
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that time right now, you know, later on it was
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said that there was just you know, the one guy
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that you know, oft himself up up in the hotel room.
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the police said that they were aware of multiple shooters
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at that time. So, well, I don't really know the
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truth there. It's a very convoluted and wild story there
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in Vegas.
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lot of stuff that happened. You know, people were saying
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there were multiple shooters in Sutherland Springs. There wasn't. It
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was just one man. So right after, directly after it happens,
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there's a lot of misinformation out there, and that's why
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you try to set back and wait until all the
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facts come out. After the Vale shooting, I did a
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lot of radio shows and podcasts and stuff because they
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wanted to know my take, and I was always, you know,
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let's wait and let all the facts come out before
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we just you know, there's a lot of rumors and
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stuff going on now, and it's best just to step
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back and wait till the facts come out before you
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start talking about it. I want it very badly to
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defend the police department and Uvalde right after the shooting.
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I always take the side of the police when I can,
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but as facts work their way out, it looked like
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it was an absolute failure on the value police department.
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because police, for the most part, are men and women
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that would put their lives on the line for you
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and they don't even know who you are. But there
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are times when they fail to act correctly, and Uvalde
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was one of those times.
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What do you think it is or was the biggest
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misunderstanding about what happened at Sutherland.
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in Sutherland Springs, you know, and you know it just
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it was just one guy and and you know, until
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everything came out and settled down. People were trying to
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make it. I saw so many false reports on TV
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and stuff, even even before my name came out. I
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actually after the shooting was done. Uh and I had
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