Revolutionizing Bone Health with JUVENT Technology - Episode 276

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

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I'm your host, Dr.

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Jeffrey Gladden.

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And as always, we're here to help answer four or five questions.

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How good can you be?

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How do you make 100 to new 30?

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How do you live well beyond 120?

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How do you live young for a lifetime?

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And how do you end up with a 30 year old body and a 300 year old mind when you're a
hundred years old?

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So we're talking today with a gentleman, Peter Simonson, his PhD in mechanical
engineering.

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And he's basically left the engineering world to go into the health world.

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That's going to be a really interesting conversation.

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He's associated with a device called Juvent, J-U-V-E-N-T.

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And it's one of the most fascinating conversations about bone health and structural health
and healing and general overall body rejuvenation.

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It's a vitakin.

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He's coined a new term, vitakin.

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It has to do with kinetic energy.

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and impact energy in the body and its overall health benefits.

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I found this a really fascinating conversation.

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If you're suffering with any pain, healing, joint problems, et cetera, you're gonna wanna
listen to this in a big way.

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So enjoy.

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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.

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I'm your host, Dr.

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Jeffrey Gladden.

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And today I'm here with Peter Simonson.

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Peter is a interesting character involved in interesting things related to bone health and
keeping bones strong.

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So welcome to the show, Peter.

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Hey, thank you very much.

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Pleasure to be here.

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So Peter, let's understand a little bit about how you got involved with this.

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I usually say when you're five years old, I'm sure you wanted to do this when you grew up.

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right, so tell us a little bit about your path to getting where you are now.

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Sure.

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Well, know, academically, if I have a degree of mechanical engineering from Georgia Tech
and out of school, I went to work for a large industrial automation company, Rockwell, and

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did that for about three years.

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long story short, I quit that job.

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didn't like the I was at the top of the career ladder.

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I saw where the career ladder led.

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I didn't want to be there.

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So I started selling spinal implants.

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And so that put me in the LR watching hundreds of these surgeries.

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But I'm an engineer and I'm an inventor.

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so I was watching these surgeons struggle over and over again, so I invented a better
mousetrap.

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And what were the struggles that you were observing?

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Well, typically, the spinal, when you're a spinal incision, the incision can be quite
deep.

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The anatomy obviously is very sensitive and you're having to assemble this construct that
has to really be an internal cast and be extremely strong both in static and fatigue

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loading for a long period of time.

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When the surgeon is placing these screws for stabilization, he is very much slave to the
anatomy of the spine, the pedicle.

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And so these have to go in there in that narrow path.

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And if you're putting two, four, six, 10 of these, it's really tough to get a solid, quick
connection in that operating in a small incision.

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So the original goal of my implant was to make it easier.

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And it did, but we were able to leverage that and it became one of the most popular spine
systems in the world.

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and it was so momentronic, of the largest, the largest medical device maker in the world.

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And the indications went from just simple DGEN cases to tumor trauma and complex
deformity.

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And so.

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audience understands, so what we're talking about here is people have a spinal issue and a
lot of times it could be in the bone, but a lot of times it's in the disc and that can

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lead to impingement of nerves or the spinal cord itself, which can cause a lot of pain and
also dysfunction and lower extremity weakness, even loss of bowel and bladder control.

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So there's a lot that goes on here.

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And these surgeries can be done for trauma, for rehabilitating or rebuilding spines, but
also for people that have wear and tear issues where things have deteriorated to the point

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where they're stuck with chronic pain or sciatica pain down the leg, things like that,
right?

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So in these surgeries, what they're going to try to do is go back in and re-stabilize the
spine, but also create a more youthful geometry for the nerves to be able to not be

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impinged upon or the spinal cord to be impinged upon by

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by certain structures.

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But to your point, it's a delicate operation.

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So what was the actual device?

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Was it something that replaced the disk?

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Or what was it exactly that you were doing?

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Yeah, so this is what's called a pedicle screw.

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And a pedicle is the kind of the part of the spine that holds up the dome in the back
called the lamina.

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And I'll just try to use the layman's terms, but you have the vertebral body in front,
these two posts going back, that's the pedicle.

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And that holds the posterior architecture.

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Well, these screws would go in the pedicle, because that's a great way to get fixation on
the spine.

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And so that's what we would be connecting together.

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The spine has three roles.

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support weight, allow mobility, and protect the nerve structure.

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And so in this surgery, what you do is sometimes you have to give up one of those in terms
of mobility just to lock the spine in place, keep the nerves freed up, and then kind of

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live with two out of the three.

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In the future, even currently now, I mean, I've been in this for many, many years, and I
really stopped doing it almost a decade ago.

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But now the goal is to obviously use, yeah, and use like artificial discs and that sort of
thing.

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and that will gradually take over, majority cases it's better just to fuse it.

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And those get more complicated with deformity cases where you're using the implant as
actually a corrective mechanism.

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Right, right.

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So you're like somebody with scoliosis or something like that.

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Is that what you're talking about?

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Yeah.

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so, you know, I've spent I've spent I've literally traveled and probably 50 states and 30
countries training salespeople and surgeons with my implant system and how to use it and,

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you know, taking their technique anatomically and working with mine mechanically.

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And so I got to really understand the kind of an interesting vantage point of medicine.

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Now, spinal fusion is essentially growing bone together.

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And I didn't know it at the time, but there were two

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technologies that were used for site-specific non-unions.

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Okay, that's where, for example, somebody's a smoker, has other conditions, and so these
technologies were one was electric and one was ultrasound.

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And I didn't realize it at the time, but the guy who put those together was the creator of
Juven.

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And so when...

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us about electrical and ultrasound, how those played into this, this spinal reconstruction
or stabilization or whatever.

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Yeah, so there's two ways to really hack the bone.

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One is using EMF, electromagnetic waves, the other is using ultrasonic waves.

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But yeah, yeah, mean, that's its own complex topic.

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But the limitation is they're site-specific and you really, that's really all they're
doing is increasing bone growth and fracture healing.

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And Jack Ryby, the guy behind this, his, holy grail was to go after osteoporosis.

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That's where you're really trying to systemically heal bone and its density as opposed to
make surgery minimal.

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Fixing a focal problem.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, right.

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the kind of the way I got into this was one of my surgeons, I worked with some really
smart surgeons and one of my surgeons had an idea for a paper and he thought he had found

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the cytokine responsible for back pain.

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And I told him, I said, listen, that's not a paper, that's a company.

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So my brother and I helped put together, became a biotech company.

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turned out the original presumption was wrong, but in the course of that, my brother and
the team found, and him as well,

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this large team found a new novel protein.

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And so that company went on to develop a therapeutic around that.

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But what that did for me was it showed me how far ahead science was ahead of medicine.

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my gosh, yeah, right.

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And so, you know, we were putting together, I think 13 years ago, what no one even had a
name for, they call it functional medicine now.

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But we were looking for ways to really bring all this science to the clinical thing as
fast as we could, especially when it was safe.

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So in part of that, you do due diligence looking at all these different technologies and
this one was brought to us, but the guy had died, Jack Ryby died.

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So he got the company started, put on,

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great path of research development, but he died and the company, ran it into the ground
and it was no longer viable.

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So we started doing, we did about a month of due diligence.

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And part of that was, you know, homework.

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We borrowed a platform from a user who had osteoporosis.

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Now we're digging into the literature.

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In the meantime, my mother, who was 78 at the time, she had a pelvic fracture at 76.

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She fell.

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And at 78, she had a pelvic non-union flare-up.

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And she was pretty much...

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and basically broke her pelvis, right?

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You understand where that is.

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But then this non-union, this is a, this can be a common problem in older people.

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They don't have enough regenerative power left in the bones to actually fuse the bones
back together and heal the fracture itself.

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And you can end up with actual non-union, meaning that the bones have kind of

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They've finished their healing process, but they didn't grow back together.

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So now you've got a gap, right?

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This happens, you know, can happen in an arm, a leg, a pelvis can happen anywhere.

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So.

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That's correct.

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And there's very little blood circulation there.

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So painkillers don't do much.

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And so she, you know, as I remember it, she was basically down 22 hours a day, up two
hours a day on a walker on pain meds, the whole works.

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So we said, mom, try this out.

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So we get her on it.

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And in about two weeks,

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what's it?

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What did you get her on?

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The protein?

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juvint platform.

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So juvint is the name of the product that Jack Ryby had done and went dormant.

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And originally was going for osteoporosis.

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what they were doing, science has shown us that bone responds to different types of
loading differently.

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So we've known for a hundred years that bone grows where bone is loaded.

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It's called the Wolf's Law and it's kind of a cornerstone of orthopedics.

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Mm-hmm.

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Today, I call it Wolf's Law 2.0.

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We now know that bone doesn't really get that much out of a static load, like a weight
lifting or that sort of thing.

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What it really has the metabolic effect is an impact load.

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And that's what we get when we walk.

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Okay, that's one of the reasons why walking is a quote magical exercise.

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And I don't bet that word's pretty, almost not a metaphor, but either way.

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So.

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What they were doing is they found out that bone can be stimulated with very, very small
loads.

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It's extremely mechanosensitive.

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So we don't need to beat the bone.

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We can tap it.

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And the reason that's important is because if you're trying to get all these cycles into a
patient and you're doing it 30, 40 times a second, you have to lower the energy down to

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keep it safe.

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because the rest of the body doesn't all respond the same.

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So even starting at Cartledge, it's got a very narrow bandwidth of what it considers
anabolic versus catabolic.

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so, long story short, that's what this technology did.

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And it wasn't easy.

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And so they spent $40 million, I know for 20 patents.

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so what it does is what's now called micro-impact.

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So you stand on this platform.

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and its vertical up and down movement is 5 % of one millimeter.

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5 % of 1 millimeter.

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OK, so that's 0.2.

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No, that's 5%.

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That's 0.5, right?

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0.05 of a millimeter.

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Yeah, that's a small amount of movement.

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You would perceive that, I suppose, almost like a vibration as anything else.

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Is that right?

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So.

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you would.

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mean, when you're on it, you feel it, but you could be on the phone or somebody would look
at you and talk to you and never know.

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would know exactly.

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And so this is very different from a lot of these, you know, high energy shaking plates,
you know, that.

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Yeah.

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That's really why we think the term micro impact is more accurate because people,
vibration's a very broad category.

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And these other plates that are, you know, the reason this movement is so small.

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is to keep it safe.

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So let's talk about that for a second.

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So vibration plates can be helpful for bone density.

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Things like osteostrong, which is basically isometric, isotonic exercise, isometric
exercises have been shown to build bone density.

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But what you're talking about is that the real hack is to actually do this micro impact
work.

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Is that kind of what we're saying in comparison to those other strategies?

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And weightlifting we know has some benefit.

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Walking certainly has benefit.

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It's an impact.

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It's interesting to me when we measure people here and we do bone densities on everybody,
the people that are big cyclists, they have great aerobic capacity, but poor bone density,

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right?

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It's the runners that actually.

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get the best bone density and the good cardio, right?

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So you gotta have some impact in your life, yeah.

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That's correct.

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And nature's perfect form of impact loading is walking.

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Okay, running is a mixed bag.

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mean, the bone is two things.

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Bone is extremely mechanorezilient, but it's also extremely mechanosensitive.

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So the rest of the body, not so much.

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you want it, that's why we found the micro-impact is what you need.

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And so what we do is that small amount of energy is used extremely efficiently with the
software.

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And so when a person stands on it, it will go through a safe range of frequencies to find
resonance for that person at that time.

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Okay, so it's actually a diagnostic tool as well as a therapeutic tool is what you're
saying in a way.

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Yeah, but in a sense it's diagnostic because I'm sure that a particular bone structure is
going to respond to a particular resonance frequency, right?

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So I would think to...

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a lot of things that will affect it for example body weight body fluid content floor
surface footwear I mean, so what it's doing is it's saying look whatever you throw at us

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We're gonna find residents and that may vary over time and so each it's very agnostic So
if a family has a platform, they put it in the kitchen everyone can use it and it's gonna

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take no be efficient for everyone and hurt no one Does that make sense?

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Yeah, it does make sense.

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So it seems like you'd want to put these in every nursing home in country, right?

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Every...

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my God.

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And I'm gonna give you, this is Pete's statistic.

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I'm very careful what I say, because I'm used to talking with surgeons and I don't like to
make metaphors without disclosing that.

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to be wordy, but after doing this for 10, 12 years, my number is, this would add five
years to anyone's vertical lifespan.

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Okay, I mean, you wouldn't believe the stories.

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We have a standard policy in place.

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Let me give you statistic.

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It sounds commercial, but it's actually a very,

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powerful clinical tool here.

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We see a lot of situations reverse and we'll talk today about skeletal metabolism.

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That's the real headline here.

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but we can't make all the claims of the things we see happening all the time.

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We don't have double bond perspective, multi-center randomized studies.

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So what we tell people is you get on this and in six weeks of usage for you, your family,
as many times as can use it, if you don't think it's worth it, we'll buy it back.

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So we have a

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We have a treatment, whatever you wanna call it, that has a $6,000 motivation for the user
to say, no, I don't want this.

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We have a 98.5 % success rate.

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wow, so people in about 6K and then get their 6K back at the end of six weeks, but nobody
nobody sends it back.

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We have 1.5 % come back.

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Because it's a real policy.

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It's not just some metaphor, blah, blah, blah.

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We'll pay the shipping.

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We don't care.

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mean, we don't want anybody unhappy because we know how it is.

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Now, the platforms that come back, a third of those have no usage.

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No one used it.

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So if you really wanted to be whatever.

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But yeah, you compare that success rate to most procedures.

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It's a stellar performer.

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And know, either way, that's, that's kind of it.

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Yeah.

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So.

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I've got a couple of questions for you.

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you know, with a micro impact, you're stimulating bone growth.

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You know, one of the things that we understand is that what we've seen empirically is that
really to get good bone growth, you have to have people hormonally optimized.

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You need some testosterone, some estrogen, you need some growth hormone release, you need
some things like that to actually really help build bone.

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And then you've got to be nutritionally replete, of course, things that can build protein
and matrix and calcium and vitamin K2 and vitamin D and things like this.

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Maybe some boron.

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But if you get people doing that and then if you get them doing the right exercises, we
will see bone density improve.

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I would imagine that if we have people that are, let's call it metabolically optimized
going into this, that they would see results that would be pretty dramatic pretty quickly.

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I don't know.

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That's a hypothesis, but you tell me.

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Yeah, so bone and quick don't generally go together, in a contextual sense, yes.

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And what we would see there is fracture healing.

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you I, you brought us some really good points, so I don't want to get off that, but let me
put down fracture healing.

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So you're correct.

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Bone growth, like anything in medicine and biology, it's never a one-to-one linear
relationship.

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Okay.

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The way I explain it is those things you mentioned for bone growth are all links in a
chain.

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Mm-hmm.

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And when you're the last link and somebody adds your link, they call you the cure.

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It's not true.

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You're just one of the links.

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So what Juvent is supplying is one of those links.

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Now if you're missing two or three other links, guess what?

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You don't have a chain.

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But you're gonna need that link.

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And you've intuitively already figured that out.

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So with regard to bone growth, now that is only one thing, because that's actually not the
headline here.

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I know that sounds crazy, but it's interesting.

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But with regard to bone growth, had a friend of mine, you know, I used to do spinal
surgeries all the time, and a friend of mine had what's called an ACDF, anterior cervical

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discectomy infusion.

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Okay, that's where they come going through the throat, they move the esophagus aside, they
do a discectomy, infuse the, you know, the cervical spine.

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It's the most common spinal fusion done.

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This is the neurosurgeon or spine surgeon's equivalent of a cavity.

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I mean, they don't do this once every now and then.

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They'll do three a week.

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So one of my colleagues was getting an ACDF, a cervical fusion.

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So we said, hey, you're a Juvent user, let's document the heck out of this.

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And so he, you know, the doctor knew, everyone knew what we were doing.

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Everyone was on the same page.

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So we got these fabulous post-op x-rays, you know, just before you do the close.

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And then we did the follow-up x-rays.

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Now I took those follow-up x-rays to over a hundred spine surgeons.

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and had them guess what the delta was between the post-op and the intraoperative and the
post-op follow-up.

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The guesses were generally about nine to 12 months.

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They went from 18 months down to about three months.

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When I tell them it's a six week x-ray, they look at me like, Pete, if it wasn't coming
from you, I'd call bullshit.

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And so we see that with people fracture healing all the time.

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You know, it's absolutely a metabolic catalyst for bone growth.

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I love that so much.

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know, when we were, when I was back doing interventional cardiology, you know, we would
send people in for cabbage and we would, some of them would get median sternotomies,

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right?

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Where they basically cut through the sternum to open the chest to pimpass or put the valve
in.

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And we would tell people that it would take a year for that to heal fully.

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And that, you know, it would be, you know, 50 % healed in three months and 75 % at six
months and be fully healed in a year.

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That was basically the dogma at the time.

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But if you could heal something like that in six weeks, right?

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And get people return to activity that much faster.

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The reason this is so important if you're listening to this is what we found is that the
time that you are debilitated has a massive impact on your trajectory going forward.

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So let's say you're in your 60s or 70s or 80s or 50s even, and you undergo knee
replacement surgery, right?

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And you're going to be, you know, you can't bike, you can't run, you can't do certain
things because you got to heal.

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Right.

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So, but when you add those weeks together, you know, for every week that you're out,
almost for every day that you're out, it takes about a week to actually get back your

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physical capacity.

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So if you're out for six weeks, just do the math, it's going to take almost a year for you
to really reclaim your full level of activity.

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So if you can shorten this.

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It's not just about the healing, it's about actually preserving your ability to function
at a high level and get back to that as soon as possible.

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So there's a massive win for you in this, right?

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It's beyond just the bone healing, it's the return to function, let's call it, that's so
heavily impacted here.

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That's what I'm hearing.

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Yeah, well that's interesting because what we found is bone requires impact loading for
normal metabolism.

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So for many people it's recovering from a wound or surgery or an accident and that sort of
thing and you get that, but you also have an entire, really a majority of our population

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who don't get enough mechanical impact stimulation.

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They systemically have the second most important organ system in the body.

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not functioning.

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Now that's old statement what I just said, okay?

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And I'll tell you why, because the skeleton is an organ system, so we have 12 or 13 organ
systems depending how you want to classify them.

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And bone is number two.

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Now people go, well, what do you mean?

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Because I'm not gonna put you on the spot, but I'll share with you.

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I've asked fellowship trained MD scientist researchers.

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this question, what's the primary function of the skeletal system?

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And they'll answer, to hold you up.

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And that's absolutely wrong.

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Okay, well it certainly does hold you up, but it certainly enables you to move and
everything else, right?

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mean, without it, you can't move, so yeah.

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But in priority, that's about third on the list.

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Its actual primary functions are metabolic.

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So number one, its job is to produce stem cells.

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So bone produces two major classes of stem cells.

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Let's call it liquids and solids.

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On the liquid side, it produces our red blood cells for oxygen transport.

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It produces our white blood cells for our entire immune system, for most of it.

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yep.

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got certainly the B cells.

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And then the solids side, those stem cells become one of, used to be five, we're up to
nine things.

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Okay, but those cells, that same cell called the mesochymal can become bone, muscle, fat,
cartilage, connective tissue.

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Now we know endothelial tissue, nerve sensory tissue, specific organ tissues that we're
still getting our heads around.

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And you start to see that becomes the main picture.

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And on Juvent, you have 46 % more stem cells being produced.

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that's fascinating.

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I like that.

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So that's actual stem cells being produced.

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So it's the marrow of the bone that's producing these things for the most part.

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There are stem cells in the bone matrix itself also, but these mesenchymal stem cells that
are used therapeutically for other things are formed there.

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There are mesenchymal stem cells formed elsewhere in the body.

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Every organ system has its own.

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stem cell, progenitor cell line, so to speak.

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But that's how we renew ourselves.

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it is interesting that, yeah, when you phrase the question as what's the importance of the
skeletal system, then it becomes a structural question.

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When you look at it through the metabolic lens, now you're talking about the marrow and
what's actually going on, right?

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So therein lies the question.

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classifications are mineral lipid storage to keep our heart pumping in real time.

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And then the third major function is as a full member of the endocrine system.

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So it produces five unique hormones of its own and it chemically talks to every other
organ in the body with a first secondhand conversation.

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So this explains, we think, which we don't make claims for, why we see people getting
better blood pressure management on Juvent, their erections back on Juvent,

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RLS, rejuvenant, diabetes management, getting easier, those are all hormonal.

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And you've got this organ system that requires this.

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This is one of its fundamental data requirements of the second most important organ
system.

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So you can expect some pretty spectacular and diverse effects by giving it what it needs.

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I mean, if you give the words enough air, guess what?

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They do a lot of things.

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And so the, now,

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Now, let me ask you this, because I love all this.

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You know what I love about it is it really shows that the body is an integrated system.

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Every organ system is talking to everything else, right?

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And everything is talking to the nervous system, and the nervous system is talking to
everything else also.

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But I love the interconnectedness of all this.

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And I think when you're thinking about, let's call it exercise, this is a form of exercise
in a way, right?

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It's a stimulated exercise, but it's exercise nonetheless.

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you when you think about exercise and all the different benefits it has across all the
different organ tissues, it fits right into that conversation, right?

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Almost really as a form of exercise.

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So kind of interesting.

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the way that I classify it is a vitamin of exercise.

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Now, let me...

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little further in your own thinking.

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Sure.

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So I'm gonna introduce a new word, but I wanna give you the context first, because then
it'll make total sense.

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So we're talking about neologisms here, if you're not familiar with that term.

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Neologisms is where you basically create a new word.

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So here we go.

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You nailed it.

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That's a new word for me to learn about creating a new word.

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So the irony is too thick here.

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I love it.

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a vitamin has three relevant characteristics.

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It's required for normal metabolism.

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It's found in nature and it's always a subcomponent.

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So my favorite one to use is vitamin C.

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We don't have vitamin C trees.

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We have grapefruits, oranges, grapes, everything, right?

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Right.

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Now.

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If I look at exercise, exercise can be broken down into three subcomponents, movement and
two types of force, okay, static and impact.

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Dynamic, yeah.

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So what Juven is doing is taking that component and delivering it in a much more
efficient, convenient package, just like if I took a vitamin C pill versus eating 10

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oranges.

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Now, is a vitamin a replacement?

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Sure.

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audience sakes and your sake.

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When you take a vitamin C pill, you're not getting vitamin C.

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You're getting ascorbic acid, right?

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Vitamin C is actually a much more complex compound.

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It's an organic compound.

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Ascorbic acid is in the center, but it's actually an antioxidant because of all of the
other molecular components around it.

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That's an antioxidant.

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Ascorbic acid, on the other hand, is an oxidant, which is why when you give it in high
doses, it's used to treat cancer or a virus or things like that.

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So just to be clear.

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I'm good friends with Paul Merrick and he's done some great stuff on that.

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That would be a topic for another day.

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But to your point, the synthesized is not a replacement for the natural.

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So Juvent is a supplement.

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It's a vitamin.

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You would add it to your mechanical diet.

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And if I could, you there, hold on, think we got disconnected.

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So.

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Yeah, you broke up for a second.

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Start right after the vitamin C thing.

431
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Yeah, so to your point, the natural is better than the synthetic.

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So Juvent is a, in that same context, it's a supplement to add to an exercise diet as a
supplement or as a replacement.

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But we want people to impact the natural way, which is walking.

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Walking is nature's, I consider it the perfect exercise.

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And one of the reasons is that impact load of the step.

436
00:30:49,292 --> 00:30:51,734
That's why walking is better than bicycling.

437
00:30:52,375 --> 00:30:55,458
And so I break exercise into three types.

438
00:30:55,458 --> 00:31:04,645
Muscle, which would be like lifting weights, cardiovascular, which is bicycling, then
weight loss, which would be walking.

439
00:31:05,387 --> 00:31:10,111
And walking is a kind of, often there's more things going on here.

440
00:31:10,111 --> 00:31:11,758
But that impact.

441
00:31:11,758 --> 00:31:17,395
That impact phenomena is one of the reasons why walking is so important in all the blue
zones.

442
00:31:18,097 --> 00:31:20,787
know, everywhere where there's That's right.

443
00:31:20,787 --> 00:31:22,318
walk inadvertently, right?

444
00:31:22,318 --> 00:31:23,348
They walk inadvertently.

445
00:31:23,348 --> 00:31:25,139
They walk because they're going to see their neighbor.

446
00:31:25,139 --> 00:31:26,740
They're walking because they're going to the garden.

447
00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:30,661
They're walking because they're, you know, going out to dinner, whatever it is, right?

448
00:31:30,661 --> 00:31:36,193
So they walk kind of just naturally, not just a prescribed walk.

449
00:31:37,274 --> 00:31:37,559
Yeah.

450
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:44,953
to the vitamin analogy, Juven's discovery is almost like a history rhyming with the
discovery of vitamin C.

451
00:31:45,093 --> 00:31:50,656
So vitamin C was eventually discovered in this quest to reverse scurvy.

452
00:31:50,697 --> 00:31:54,899
And scurvy is disease that killed sailors for 300 years.

453
00:31:55,019 --> 00:31:55,940
And guess what?

454
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:59,002
turns out it was vitamin C was, quote, the cure.

455
00:31:59,002 --> 00:32:01,253
But really, that's not the way to look at it.

456
00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:03,404
Vitamin C isn't a scurvy drug.

457
00:32:03,554 --> 00:32:07,106
Vitamin C is a fundamental daily requirement, has a thousand uses.

458
00:32:08,087 --> 00:32:12,349
So scurvy is the clinical presentation of a chronic deficiency.

459
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:22,336
So what I see is this the vitamin of exercise, this is reversing, look at scurvy, if you
put the full symptom list down, it's gonna be a dozen things.

460
00:32:22,937 --> 00:32:28,340
And if you look, people call it kinetic scurvy or mechanical scurvy.

461
00:32:28,398 --> 00:32:33,912
When you get on a jute, you see all of these things turn around because you're giving the
body what it needs.

462
00:32:34,392 --> 00:32:40,977
And as a vitamin, it has the same dosing, I need it every day or regularly.

463
00:32:40,977 --> 00:32:44,699
It has the same response, it's not gonna cure me in two hours.

464
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,661
It has the same retention.

465
00:32:47,742 --> 00:32:50,704
If I miss a day, that's not the end of the world.

466
00:32:50,704 --> 00:32:54,186
And it has the same indication, geriatric to pediatric.

467
00:32:55,167 --> 00:32:56,243
Now, this.

468
00:32:56,243 --> 00:32:57,488
it's a good analogy.

469
00:32:57,488 --> 00:33:00,168
Well, and I realize it's beyond an analogy.

470
00:33:00,268 --> 00:33:04,228
So the word vitamin was originally vital amino.

471
00:33:04,368 --> 00:33:08,768
And it was the first time they discovered a biological compound that wasn't a mineral.

472
00:33:08,768 --> 00:33:10,808
You know, it wasn't on the periodic table.

473
00:33:10,948 --> 00:33:13,708
And it really wasn't an amino, but the name stuck.

474
00:33:14,168 --> 00:33:18,948
Okay, so if I look at this, I go, well, we're vital, but we're not amino, we're not even
chemical.

475
00:33:19,228 --> 00:33:20,768
We're kinetic.

476
00:33:21,748 --> 00:33:25,708
So I call it a vitakin instead of a vitamin.

477
00:33:25,928 --> 00:33:27,002
It's a vital.

478
00:33:27,002 --> 00:33:29,613
Kinetic.

479
00:33:29,934 --> 00:33:31,855
new science needs new words.

480
00:33:31,855 --> 00:33:41,682
So if we're gonna address this, the field of mechanotherapy, one MD, PhD from Harvard said
it will be as significant as surgery was 150 years ago.

481
00:33:42,823 --> 00:33:50,588
And so we do need new names and we need to put this as, teach doctors to look for this on
patient intake.

482
00:33:51,069 --> 00:33:55,728
Listen carefully to where their body is getting, we listen to their diet.

483
00:33:55,728 --> 00:33:59,448
but listen to their mechanical diet and are they getting impact?

484
00:34:00,328 --> 00:34:03,848
And sometimes it's easy and obvious, sometimes it's a little bit more subtle.

485
00:34:04,068 --> 00:34:07,428
Because a lot of people, like I work with pro athletes who don't get impact.

486
00:34:07,928 --> 00:34:11,088
Because I mean, they don't want to risk it.

487
00:34:11,088 --> 00:34:14,216
That's getting in the weeds here, but the point is.

488
00:34:14,601 --> 00:34:17,223
and cyclists are not really getting a lot of impact, right?

489
00:34:17,223 --> 00:34:30,099
So, will add one thing about walking and that is that it's inadequate to build your VO2
max with walking because we measure that on everybody here too.

490
00:34:30,099 --> 00:34:35,261
To build VO2, you've got to actually do, you know, what we find is you've got to do stage
three.

491
00:34:35,261 --> 00:34:37,066
Everybody's talking about stage two.

492
00:34:37,066 --> 00:34:45,966
which is walking essentially, but you really need to get into stage three and then do some
interval training into stage five to really maximize your cardio and VO two is super

493
00:34:45,966 --> 00:34:46,456
important.

494
00:34:46,456 --> 00:34:54,695
So even though walking is a wonderful exercise for the impact that we're talking about
here, just realize that, you you want to mix it up with the other stuff too, right?

495
00:34:54,695 --> 00:34:55,418
We just talked.

496
00:34:55,418 --> 00:35:02,152
because walking is not weightlifting and it's not, as you say, getting the proper
cardiovascular, but it's just it's a third type of exercise.

497
00:35:02,152 --> 00:35:04,290
And so, you know, it's not one or the other.

498
00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:06,884
It's yes, we need them all.

499
00:35:06,884 --> 00:35:07,735
so.

500
00:35:08,896 --> 00:35:20,001
So that's really at the end of the day, the take home point here is if you think you're
going to be healthy without a proper vital supplement or activity, good luck.

501
00:35:20,282 --> 00:35:24,824
I mean, you're literally taking the second most important organ system in the body.

502
00:35:24,944 --> 00:35:30,604
and letting it starve of one of its requirements, you're chasing your tail.

503
00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:39,104
And so this is, in our careers, okay, the last vitamin discovery was in the 40s, okay?

504
00:35:39,444 --> 00:35:45,984
We don't see this coming along very often of a fundamental daily requirement.

505
00:35:46,024 --> 00:35:48,364
This is rare territory.

506
00:35:48,424 --> 00:35:55,176
And the most important things of medicine now and the future is two things.

507
00:35:55,529 --> 00:36:00,760
identified deficiencies and address deficiencies and remove toxins.

508
00:36:01,563 --> 00:36:03,708
Those are the most standard things.

509
00:36:04,931 --> 00:36:05,772
Okay.

510
00:36:06,063 --> 00:36:14,566
Yeah, you want to remove toxins, you want to identify deficiencies, you also want to
actually counteract the hallmarks of aging, right?

511
00:36:14,566 --> 00:36:17,457
If you're really going to review it usefully, right?

512
00:36:17,457 --> 00:36:20,127
And that's more than removing toxins.

513
00:36:20,127 --> 00:36:28,790
That comes down to kind of activating stem cells, reactivating mitochondria, regrowing
telomeres.

514
00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:29,780
you things like that.

515
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:33,209
So there's, think in the longevity space, you're really looking at that as well.

516
00:36:33,209 --> 00:36:33,980
So.

517
00:36:34,248 --> 00:36:34,928
would add those.

518
00:36:34,928 --> 00:36:37,168
You know, I'm covering more of the, you know, the

519
00:36:37,168 --> 00:36:38,443
the health, more the health piece.

520
00:36:38,443 --> 00:36:39,032
I get it.

521
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:40,453
Right, yeah.

522
00:36:40,453 --> 00:36:43,154
And so, Juven is kind of doing both.

523
00:36:43,154 --> 00:36:47,966
There's a secondary mechanism of action we can talk about if you like.

524
00:36:47,966 --> 00:36:50,857
Bone and muscle are a little bit like heart and lung.

525
00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:52,338
They're kind of married.

526
00:36:52,338 --> 00:36:57,900
They don't really do anything without the other being affected directly or indirectly.

527
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:06,712
so, when the Juven platform, the person stands on it, its motion, as small as it is, is
enough to invoke

528
00:37:06,712 --> 00:37:11,413
a muscular response that's clinically relevant in about three or four indications.

529
00:37:11,593 --> 00:37:16,815
So first of all, are not, muscle strains are not all the same.

530
00:37:16,815 --> 00:37:21,236
We won't get too deep into it, but there's different muscle fibers for different muscles.

531
00:37:21,236 --> 00:37:26,377
So the muscle fibers that help us balance are not the same as the ones that help us lift
and jump.

532
00:37:26,518 --> 00:37:27,458
Okay?

533
00:37:27,698 --> 00:37:35,070
Those muscle fibers many times can become attenuated or atrophied where an older person
can't stand up anymore.

534
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:36,028
Mm-hmm.

535
00:37:36,028 --> 00:37:39,849
They have the inner ear, vestibular, and the neural systems are fine.

536
00:37:39,849 --> 00:37:44,150
The muscles just don't carry out the commands quick enough to have a control loop.

537
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:46,351
And so that effect is they're off balance.

538
00:37:46,351 --> 00:37:51,522
Now, Juvent, we have papers on this of them getting those muscle fiber types.

539
00:37:51,522 --> 00:37:54,293
It's like having a personal trainer focused on that type.

540
00:37:54,293 --> 00:37:57,414
We get incredible improvements in balance.

541
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,034
That's one indication.

542
00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:04,996
The second indication is that muscular motion is clinically relevant, and I give you

543
00:38:04,996 --> 00:38:11,461
amazing pictures on our website and all over of studies of inducing lymphatic flow.

544
00:38:12,002 --> 00:38:14,224
So both lymphatic and blood flow.

545
00:38:14,224 --> 00:38:17,417
Now the two are connected, but there's a big difference.

546
00:38:17,417 --> 00:38:24,232
The lymph system is about the same complexity as our blood system, but it doesn't have a
heart.

547
00:38:24,353 --> 00:38:30,918
It requires exclusively on neighboring muscular activity to pump it, keep things moving.

548
00:38:30,918 --> 00:38:33,402
So a lot of people, they

549
00:38:33,402 --> 00:38:36,873
will accumulate waste in the lower limbs that is not going anywhere.

550
00:38:36,873 --> 00:38:40,815
And their feet get very big and it's called edema, know, fat feet, so to speak.

551
00:38:40,815 --> 00:38:51,749
And what Juvent does is the second indication is it promotes that lymphatic flow that you
can A, get rid of those feet, but also our lymph system is our detox and our immune

552
00:38:51,749 --> 00:38:52,560
system.

553
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:58,692
And so, know, Dr.

554
00:38:58,692 --> 00:39:03,044
Bowerschmidt at his clinic in South Carolina called Deeper Healing.

555
00:39:03,044 --> 00:39:07,527
He's got a detox protocol and Juvent's one third of the protocol.

556
00:39:07,648 --> 00:39:14,373
And because that's the way of moving, transferring that out of the system.

557
00:39:14,634 --> 00:39:18,656
And the third benefit is blood flow.

558
00:39:19,137 --> 00:39:21,819
So our legs act as a second heart.

559
00:39:21,844 --> 00:39:22,980
That's right.

560
00:39:23,601 --> 00:39:25,523
Our legs act as a second heart.

561
00:39:25,523 --> 00:39:30,666
So we see improvements in wound healing, especially distal ones.

562
00:39:30,767 --> 00:39:32,578
And so with elderly people.

563
00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:37,739
And so that's a secondary mechanism of action, but it's clinically really relevant.

564
00:39:37,739 --> 00:39:40,874
And we've got papers on that as well.

565
00:39:43,143 --> 00:39:44,504
Yeah, I love this.

566
00:39:44,504 --> 00:39:46,657
This is so universally useful.

567
00:39:46,657 --> 00:39:48,248
So I've got several more questions.

568
00:39:48,248 --> 00:39:50,290
The first one is, what about mom?

569
00:39:51,534 --> 00:39:52,684
Great story.

570
00:39:52,845 --> 00:40:01,068
So we had this platform for about two weeks or so, and she was up with no pain and no pain
in two weeks.

571
00:40:01,068 --> 00:40:03,789
And we were like, wow, this is like, we were scratching our head.

572
00:40:03,789 --> 00:40:08,131
Here we are buried in osteoporosis literature, because that's kind of where the studies
were at the time.

573
00:40:08,651 --> 00:40:11,848
And we had to give this platform back to an osteoporotic patient.

574
00:40:11,848 --> 00:40:14,713
She said, look, I love you guys, but I kind of need my platform back.

575
00:40:14,794 --> 00:40:17,775
And my mom, in about two weeks, went right back down.

576
00:40:18,075 --> 00:40:20,725
And I got a call on the phone, and she said,

577
00:40:20,725 --> 00:40:21,216
vitamin.

578
00:40:21,216 --> 00:40:22,949
Here's the vitamin element right there.

579
00:40:22,949 --> 00:40:24,671
Right.

580
00:40:24,671 --> 00:40:25,031
Sorry.

581
00:40:25,031 --> 00:40:26,794
There's the vitamin element.

582
00:40:26,794 --> 00:40:27,545
Yeah.

583
00:40:27,545 --> 00:40:28,166
I'll grab it.

584
00:40:28,166 --> 00:40:28,507
got it.

585
00:40:28,507 --> 00:40:29,187
Vitamin.

586
00:40:29,187 --> 00:40:29,776
Yeah.

587
00:40:29,776 --> 00:40:33,136
And so she got on the phone with me and I could hear it.

588
00:40:33,136 --> 00:40:34,676
My mom's tough, she's tough.

589
00:40:34,676 --> 00:40:35,776
And I could hear it in her voice.

590
00:40:35,776 --> 00:40:38,596
said, Peter, I don't know what you're gonna do with that company, but I need one of those
platforms.

591
00:40:38,596 --> 00:40:40,856
And I went, damn mom, they're not taking them anymore.

592
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:47,036
so I went and scoured Facebook, eBay, Craigslist.

593
00:40:47,036 --> 00:40:56,076
It took me about two or three weeks of daily searching and I found one for sale in Canada,
some obscure part in Canada.

594
00:40:56,076 --> 00:40:58,136
So the guy didn't know what it did, his mom died.

595
00:40:58,136 --> 00:40:59,216
I said, I'll take it.

596
00:40:59,216 --> 00:41:00,436
and the rest is history.

597
00:41:00,436 --> 00:41:04,296
My mom is 90, she'll be 92 this year.

598
00:41:04,416 --> 00:41:10,476
She's living in a three bedroom, two bath house with a swimming pool and guest house by
herself.

599
00:41:10,476 --> 00:41:11,996
And she ain't going anywhere.

600
00:41:12,356 --> 00:41:21,596
And if she had not, I can, listen, if she didn't have that juvint, she'd have been in a
nursing home at age 79.

601
00:41:21,656 --> 00:41:25,920
I mean, she was going from a vertical person to a horizontal person.

602
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,564
Yep.

603
00:41:26,564 --> 00:41:33,874
And so, you you look at the price of this thing, if it keeps one parent out of one nursing
home for one month, it's paid for itself.

604
00:41:33,886 --> 00:41:35,366
yeah, exactly.

605
00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:35,646
Yeah.

606
00:41:35,646 --> 00:41:38,226
Not to mention the medication costs and everything else.

607
00:41:38,226 --> 00:41:38,846
Right.

608
00:41:39,046 --> 00:41:40,586
So, yeah.

609
00:41:40,886 --> 00:41:42,026
So this is.

610
00:41:43,566 --> 00:41:48,486
OK, I've got a couple more questions for you around this, and you may have stories to look
at this.

611
00:41:48,486 --> 00:41:56,466
So so in the skeletal system, right, it's not just the bones, it's also the ligaments, the
tendons, the cartilage and all of that.

612
00:41:56,466 --> 00:41:59,554
So I'm curious, what is the impact?

613
00:41:59,554 --> 00:42:07,984
on the rest of the components and what we would term the skeletal system from using the
juvint device, the Vitakin.

614
00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:08,804
Sure.

615
00:42:09,805 --> 00:42:16,568
So, okay, so I'm gonna answer carefully, because I don't want to out drive my headlights
here.

616
00:42:17,809 --> 00:42:23,312
In terms of the stem cells that the bone produces are generally what the whole joint is
comprised of.

617
00:42:23,312 --> 00:42:27,995
Okay, so when it comes to degenerative conditions, we have a lot of success.

618
00:42:27,995 --> 00:42:31,417
Okay, because number one, we're increasing the production of stem cells.

619
00:42:31,417 --> 00:42:34,439
Those stem cells are proven to be anti-inflammatory.

620
00:42:34,439 --> 00:42:37,336
Okay, so we have success on all of four

621
00:42:37,336 --> 00:42:39,236
arthritis, the four major ones.

622
00:42:39,236 --> 00:42:41,058
There's a couple of subcategories.

623
00:42:41,058 --> 00:42:47,220
OA, osteoarthritis, PA, serratus arthritis, RA, rheumatoid arthritis, and gout.

624
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,822
And for those cases, we have a lot of luck with it.

625
00:42:51,002 --> 00:42:55,504
In terms of mechanical soft tissue, not so much.

626
00:42:55,544 --> 00:43:00,606
So if I have a torn labrum or torn ligament, we're really not gonna add a hell of a lot to
it.

627
00:43:00,606 --> 00:43:03,687
If they do a surgery, yes.

628
00:43:04,908 --> 00:43:05,562
Yes.

629
00:43:05,562 --> 00:43:08,556
gets it repaired with other technologies?

630
00:43:08,556 --> 00:43:18,623
Yeah, and I have actually a great testimony from a neurosurgeon who I worked with who had
a knee surgery and he never fully recovered and thought he'd never go skiing again.

631
00:43:18,623 --> 00:43:23,807
And he, you know, he had plateaued at PT and it wasn't coming, it wasn't getting any
better.

632
00:43:23,807 --> 00:43:25,047
I got him on a Juvent.

633
00:43:25,047 --> 00:43:28,650
He did it out of pure trust of our friendship.

634
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:31,702
And I know the guy many, many years, I've been in the OR with him many times.

635
00:43:31,702 --> 00:43:34,716
I would do it just out of curiosity, but anyway.

636
00:43:34,716 --> 00:43:37,919
he, you know, he just said, look, Pete, I don't believe you, but I trust you.

637
00:43:37,919 --> 00:43:38,956
That makes sense.

638
00:43:38,956 --> 00:43:44,454
You know, he says, and he was skiing in three months and he sent me his pictures from the
ski slope.

639
00:43:44,454 --> 00:43:46,305
have a nice video about it.

640
00:43:46,325 --> 00:43:53,951
And similarly with a, a few pro athletes like, starting center for the Buffalo Bills.

641
00:43:53,951 --> 00:44:01,016
We, in his opinion, extended his career two or three years because his surgeries were not
really putting him back on the field.

642
00:44:01,102 --> 00:44:06,017
And he did three, I think two seasons without missing a snap, which is not even really
even done.

643
00:44:06,017 --> 00:44:07,358
And he says that was.

644
00:44:08,391 --> 00:44:09,751
I love this so much.

645
00:44:09,751 --> 00:44:10,922
So what about cartilage?

646
00:44:10,922 --> 00:44:19,416
Because there's a lot of people with, you know, torn cartilage, fractured cartilage, you
know, and the ligaments and things like that inside the joints.

647
00:44:19,416 --> 00:44:28,870
What you're saying is that it may not be have the same impact it does on, let's call it
the bone, but does it, does it help?

648
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:34,782
it facilitate and does it also augment healing if people are doing other

649
00:44:35,112 --> 00:44:38,779
Let's call it technologies to help heal that all other regenerative technologies.

650
00:44:38,779 --> 00:44:40,863
I would think it might be a link in that chain, but I don't know.

651
00:44:40,863 --> 00:44:41,874
You tell me.

652
00:44:42,138 --> 00:44:53,599
So we see a lot of people, there's a phenomena called chondrogenesis, if anyone wants to
look it up, that's chondral tissue is articular tissue like cartilage, okay?

653
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:58,125
The literature says it never, doesn't regenerate, okay?

654
00:44:58,125 --> 00:45:00,985
So if you wanted that answer, that's what you'd win on a game show.

655
00:45:00,985 --> 00:45:08,772
However, we see people all the time radiographically diagnosed with bone on bone knees,
getting on a juv-

656
00:45:08,772 --> 00:45:13,775
and kicking the can for their knee replacement surgery for months, weeks, years.

657
00:45:13,796 --> 00:45:19,700
Now, I don't have a study and I don't have the images cataloged to say, yes, we have
chondrogenesis.

658
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,101
So that would be something I can't claim.

659
00:45:22,101 --> 00:45:24,503
But do those people postpone their surgery?

660
00:45:24,503 --> 00:45:27,164
Absolutely, all the time.

661
00:45:27,265 --> 00:45:36,951
Now, there are other stem cell therapies that will use, and we won't get into the weeds
here, but they're basically injecting stem cells.

662
00:45:37,764 --> 00:45:44,651
This does not, here's the thing, Juvent doesn't displace other therapies by definition.

663
00:45:44,651 --> 00:45:45,711
You don't.

664
00:45:46,893 --> 00:45:47,774
That's correct.

665
00:45:47,774 --> 00:45:51,497
So the way I look at it is, is there some merit to those injections?

666
00:45:51,497 --> 00:45:54,339
Yes, but they're not really long lasting.

667
00:45:54,540 --> 00:46:03,198
And what I would, the way I try to explain it is look at that as a dental teeth cleaning
and Juvent your daily brushing.

668
00:46:03,844 --> 00:46:09,155
They both have the same goal, but you wouldn't want to rely on one, and every now and
then, sure, you can use both.

669
00:46:09,618 --> 00:46:12,524
And so if I have a really...

670
00:46:12,571 --> 00:46:20,897
imagining that if, and there are some very sophisticated regeneration protocols we use now
that are really quite phenomenal as standalone.

671
00:46:20,897 --> 00:46:29,162
You never use one tech, actually put five or six or seven of them together to get the best
results is what we found.

672
00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:38,079
And I'm thinking that, and we get great results with that, but I'm thinking that if we
added this to it, we'd get even better results and faster and more durable results.

673
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:39,310
That's what I'm thinking.

674
00:46:39,310 --> 00:46:39,583
Yeah.

675
00:46:39,583 --> 00:46:40,734
synergistic.

676
00:46:40,734 --> 00:46:46,296
And at the end of the day, Juven is the most elegant stem cell treatment I can imagine.

677
00:46:46,296 --> 00:46:54,290
You're the donor, you're the recipient, the body gets to decide what type of cell, where
it goes, and every other thing we don't even know about.

678
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:59,604
Because trust me, here's the other thing.

679
00:46:59,604 --> 00:47:02,445
Here's the other mind blowing point, Dr.

680
00:47:02,445 --> 00:47:03,285
Ladin.

681
00:47:03,286 --> 00:47:07,684
Here's the second most important organ system in the body, and it doesn't

682
00:47:07,684 --> 00:47:09,577
have a medical specialty.

683
00:47:11,498 --> 00:47:22,341
Well, I mean, you've got people that specialize in hematology and you've got people that
specialize in immunology and you've got people that specialize in orthopedics and

684
00:47:22,341 --> 00:47:23,592
gerontology, right?

685
00:47:23,592 --> 00:47:28,758
Which are all kind of sniffing around the edges, but nobody's really pulled it all
together into one.

686
00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:29,970
Nobody owns the bone.

687
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:32,122
Yeah, or all of its functions, right?

688
00:47:32,452 --> 00:47:38,580
And so, it's like having a heart surgeon but not a cardiologist or a brain surgeon without
a neurologist.

689
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:40,942
You see my point.

690
00:47:40,942 --> 00:47:51,525
And so, in that journey from the science side of the Grand Canyon to the medical side of
the Grand Canyon, there's nobody even on the other side looking out for the stuff that's

691
00:47:51,525 --> 00:47:52,576
coming over.

692
00:47:52,694 --> 00:47:54,934
Yeah, I love it.

693
00:47:54,934 --> 00:47:57,154
Yeah, I mean, you're really onto something here.

694
00:47:57,154 --> 00:48:02,654
I mean, this sounds like here's, you know, I had a funny thought at one point in this
conversation.

695
00:48:02,654 --> 00:48:07,694
I wonder if you could put one in a couch cushion, you know, for the people that are couch
potatoes.

696
00:48:07,694 --> 00:48:09,974
It's like, could they actually sit there?

697
00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:10,654
You know what I mean?

698
00:48:10,654 --> 00:48:15,574
I mean, that's not that's not anything we would espouse to, but I'm just curious.

699
00:48:15,974 --> 00:48:16,528
So.

700
00:48:16,528 --> 00:48:26,271
the truth is, there's always gonna be exceptions to this, but the body was designed to
take impact from the bottom up.

701
00:48:26,271 --> 00:48:30,071
That's just the way, the energy transmission, there's a lot of elements to it.

702
00:48:30,071 --> 00:48:33,032
And we do have people, one of my friends was a cardiologist.

703
00:48:33,032 --> 00:48:35,293
He went to prison for curing people.

704
00:48:35,853 --> 00:48:37,573
And it's a sad story.

705
00:48:37,573 --> 00:48:39,974
Literally, we should get him on your show and you should tell his story.

706
00:48:39,974 --> 00:48:40,934
It's amazing.

707
00:48:40,934 --> 00:48:45,315
But he had gotten to the point where he was so beaten down

708
00:48:45,422 --> 00:48:47,813
He called me said, I'm never gonna get out of bed.

709
00:48:47,973 --> 00:48:49,033
I'm done.

710
00:48:49,714 --> 00:48:54,706
And he's my aide.

711
00:48:54,706 --> 00:48:56,497
you couldn't even believe the story.

712
00:48:56,497 --> 00:49:02,979
I mean, it's literally, if they did a movie, they'd have to make it, it's unbelievable
what he went through.

713
00:49:03,139 --> 00:49:07,081
Okay, but he basically gave up and said, look, my bones are too weak.

714
00:49:07,081 --> 00:49:08,322
I'm breaking bones.

715
00:49:08,322 --> 00:49:09,842
My osteoporosis is off the charts.

716
00:49:09,842 --> 00:49:11,463
He was dropped in the hospital twice.

717
00:49:11,463 --> 00:49:13,084
He had fractures that weren't healing.

718
00:49:13,084 --> 00:49:14,614
And he just said, I'm done.

719
00:49:15,254 --> 00:49:16,118
Did you?

720
00:49:16,118 --> 00:49:16,681
Yeah.

721
00:49:16,681 --> 00:49:17,173
Okay.

722
00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:18,120
I'm listening.

723
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,532
his wife is licensed, she's an MD, she's licensed in two or three disciplines.

724
00:49:23,532 --> 00:49:24,963
She brought him back.

725
00:49:24,963 --> 00:49:26,614
I mean, you wouldn't believe the management.

726
00:49:26,614 --> 00:49:28,144
Again, that's its own topic.

727
00:49:28,144 --> 00:49:29,905
But the point is he gave up.

728
00:49:29,905 --> 00:49:36,108
And I told him, I said, get your damn feet on the Juvent and give me 1 % a day.

729
00:49:36,108 --> 00:49:39,489
Just get on there for five seconds with your feet on it.

730
00:49:39,489 --> 00:49:41,209
Next day, 10 seconds.

731
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:47,452
And it literally, he's up walking an ambulatory again and he'll tell you flat out that
Juvent is what brought me from this to this.

732
00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:57,913
And so those, you want to get people standing, even if it's with a walker or even a
harness for, know, quadriplegic patients, you want to get them up in that action.

733
00:49:57,913 --> 00:49:59,341
Now we, some people do sit on it.

734
00:49:59,341 --> 00:50:09,206
There's a little bit of, you know, either way we can deal with that later, but you want to
get people up and the body is amazingly tuned to take impact in that direction.

735
00:50:09,626 --> 00:50:12,827
And so either way that, that's the goal.

736
00:50:12,827 --> 00:50:14,008
That's what we want to try to do.

737
00:50:14,008 --> 00:50:15,147
And we have some tools.

738
00:50:15,147 --> 00:50:15,874
I love it.

739
00:50:15,874 --> 00:50:21,322
for to do that, paraplegics and non ambulatory people to do that.

740
00:50:21,334 --> 00:50:23,094
Sure, sure.

741
00:50:23,335 --> 00:50:25,555
Now this is great, really great.

742
00:50:27,076 --> 00:50:40,792
So I'm thinking, you know, the audience is hearing all this and if they'd like to, you
know, get one of these devices or go to your website or learn more or whatever they're

743
00:50:40,792 --> 00:50:50,896
going to do, learn more about Juven Health, learn more about the actual device, maybe buy
one, maybe you can walk them through what the process looks like.

744
00:50:51,002 --> 00:50:58,697
Sure, so our website is J-U-V-E-N-T, juvent.com.

745
00:50:58,698 --> 00:51:02,390
And we really encourage people to learn, investigate.

746
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:04,932
mean, some of our users have been investigating this for months.

747
00:51:04,932 --> 00:51:08,304
They finally go, my God, there's nothing bad about your company out there.

748
00:51:08,304 --> 00:51:10,005
I'll try it, what the hell.

749
00:51:11,067 --> 00:51:18,884
But the other thing is, it's very incumbent upon our discussion to distinguish between
Juvent and these whole.

750
00:51:18,884 --> 00:51:21,146
quote, whole body vibration plates that are out there.

751
00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:28,212
If I go on Amazon, I could spend anywhere from $100 to $10,000 on a vibrating plate, okay?

752
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:38,741
As an engineer, I'm telling you, almost without exception, these plates are just at toxic
levels of vibration.

753
00:51:38,782 --> 00:51:40,664
And this is not just an opinion.

754
00:51:40,664 --> 00:51:45,464
ISO has a very, they have a 45, 50 page,

755
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,400
paper and manual on vibration toxicity.

756
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,040
And I can actually show you a picture from the chart of where we are on that.

757
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,980
And we're right at the edge of safe.

758
00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:55,940
Okay.

759
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:59,640
We're moving up and down 5 % of one millimeter.

760
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,260
Some of these plates are moving one, two and three inches.

761
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,280
And that's Newton's second law, high school physics.

762
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,180
That's way too much energy.

763
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:13,200
So please understand, Juven is not that shaking plates.

764
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,928
Those plates are well...

765
00:52:14,928 --> 00:52:17,709
You know, in truth be known, the bone is probably fine.

766
00:52:17,709 --> 00:52:20,849
The rest of the body just says, what the hell are you doing?

767
00:52:21,110 --> 00:52:26,831
You know, and I've talked to the engineers about this and they literally on the phone go,
are you going to be kidding me?

768
00:52:26,831 --> 00:52:28,292
People are standing on that.

769
00:52:28,292 --> 00:52:31,063
I have a career to keep people away from that.

770
00:52:31,063 --> 00:52:32,993
People are standing on that.

771
00:52:33,213 --> 00:52:38,955
it's, it's, the damage is not always a right away.

772
00:52:38,975 --> 00:52:43,746
mean, traumatic brain injuries, they don't present at the time of occurrence.

773
00:52:44,154 --> 00:52:50,027
Yet there's already been white papers published on detached retinas and cerebral damage
from high energy plates.

774
00:52:50,027 --> 00:52:51,768
So don't mess around.

775
00:52:51,768 --> 00:52:55,310
You it's like you got to do the homework, go to our site.

776
00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:56,280
We'll talk about it another day.

777
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,212
I'm just saying, hey, when somebody says, I got one of those shaking plates, don't get on
it.

778
00:53:00,906 --> 00:53:02,449
Yeah, okay, all right.

779
00:53:02,449 --> 00:53:05,013
So I think that's a point well taken.

780
00:53:05,013 --> 00:53:13,136
So then if people wanna actually purchase one of these things, they go to your website and
then you have some sort of a code for them, I think, is that right?

781
00:53:13,176 --> 00:53:19,631
Absolutely, I don't know the the code for you, but we'll have to get that You know add
that to the show

782
00:53:20,323 --> 00:53:21,744
the code will be in the show notes.

783
00:53:21,744 --> 00:53:24,106
What I have here is the code is GLADEN.

784
00:53:24,106 --> 00:53:31,610
It's go to www.juvent.com.

785
00:53:31,631 --> 00:53:37,015
And that's a $500 reduction in the cost from what I see here.

786
00:53:37,015 --> 00:53:42,738
So yeah, so that's very kind of you to offer that.

787
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,081
Well, it's been a fascinating conversation, Peter.

788
00:53:46,081 --> 00:53:48,392
I really appreciate you taking the time.

789
00:53:48,724 --> 00:53:50,226
to go through this.

790
00:53:52,152 --> 00:53:55,098
We don't have a plate here currently, but we'll be getting one.

791
00:53:55,758 --> 00:53:56,668
Yeah, and that's great.

792
00:53:56,668 --> 00:54:03,121
know what, and by the way, let me explain a thing to you that will tell the rest of the
audience at the same time.

793
00:54:03,121 --> 00:54:05,212
Does that make sense?

794
00:54:05,312 --> 00:54:10,715
So when you get a plate, we include in there what we just call the pain inventory sheet.

795
00:54:10,715 --> 00:54:12,836
It's a sheet of paper with a human body on it.

796
00:54:12,836 --> 00:54:13,976
Nothing fancy.

797
00:54:13,976 --> 00:54:21,279
We ask everyone to just write down a circle where in their body they hurt and put a number
value on it.

798
00:54:21,279 --> 00:54:23,220
You're the only one that's ever gonna see it.

799
00:54:23,428 --> 00:54:27,209
And every two weeks, pull that out and just start adjusting the numbers.

800
00:54:27,309 --> 00:54:33,311
a vitamin is giving your body what it needs to heal.

801
00:54:33,311 --> 00:54:35,651
Okay, that's a process, not an event.

802
00:54:35,692 --> 00:54:38,552
And if you track it, it's amazing.

803
00:54:38,552 --> 00:54:42,613
A lot of people, they'll have pain for years and go, I can't remember which arm was
hurting.

804
00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:49,866
It's really, I can tell you story after story, but the point is be patient, be patient,
and it's six weeks.

805
00:54:49,866 --> 00:54:51,966
If you don't think it's worth it, we'll buy it back.

806
00:54:52,682 --> 00:54:54,044
Yeah, beautiful.

807
00:54:54,044 --> 00:54:55,616
All right, well, Peter, thanks so much.

808
00:54:55,616 --> 00:54:59,070
I really appreciate your passion for this area and your knowledge.

809
00:54:59,231 --> 00:55:04,098
And, you know, it's your mechanical engineering background kind of fits this perfectly.

810
00:55:04,098 --> 00:55:05,579
So it's quite beautiful.

811
00:55:05,579 --> 00:55:07,952
And I like your new work.

812
00:55:08,207 --> 00:55:09,177
a health engineer now.

813
00:55:09,177 --> 00:55:18,240
I'm a mechanical engineer, but I'm actually a health engineer because I look at things
differently than doctors and I admire them because you guys have a memory that I don't

814
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:23,042
have, but I have a CPU and a creativity that most doctors don't have.

815
00:55:23,042 --> 00:55:26,343
So together we really form a powerful tool.

816
00:55:26,343 --> 00:55:27,843
And so I love it.

817
00:55:27,843 --> 00:55:31,064
I love working with you guys and it's a synergistic thing.

818
00:55:31,550 --> 00:55:33,829
Yeah, well, maybe we'll figure out something to do together.

819
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:34,783
That'd be fun.

820
00:55:34,783 --> 00:55:35,529
So good.

821
00:55:35,529 --> 00:55:35,958
All right.

822
00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:36,621
Well, sounds good.

823
00:55:36,621 --> 00:55:38,235
It's been so nice to get to know you today.

824
00:55:38,235 --> 00:55:41,865
Thanks so much for your interest and thoughtful questions.

825
00:55:41,865 --> 00:55:46,922
I have a feeling this won't be the last time we chat.

826
00:55:47,158 --> 00:55:48,398
No, it won't be.

827
00:55:48,398 --> 00:55:50,558
I'll reach out to you offline for sure.

828
00:55:51,098 --> 00:55:52,458
Peter, thanks so much.

829
00:55:52,458 --> 00:55:54,218
All right.

830
00:55:54,258 --> 00:55:55,318
Yep, cheers.