Dr. Kien Vuu | Unpacking the “Thrive” State and How to Be In Control of Your Health

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Welcome to the Radical Responsibility Podcast. I'm doctor Fleet Mal
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and I'm excited to guide you on a journey of
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authentic transformation. In each episode, I'll bring you insights from
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leading experts to explore trauma recovery, mindfulness practices, positive psychology,
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and innovative breakthroughs in health, wellness and life optimization. This
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is a space for real conversations that inspire meaningful change,
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helping you find alignment with the person you are always
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meant to be. Let's get started. What if aging isn't
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written into your DNA after all? In this episode, I
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sit down with doctor ken Bo to explore how epigenetics
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and bio energetic medicine are reshaping what we believe about
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longevity and health. Well, look at how your choices, your mindset, relationships, purpose,
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and daily habits actually influence your biological age. This is
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a powerful invitation to take your health and vitality back
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into your own hands. Miam is Fleet Maw. I'm the
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co host for this session and thrilled to do another
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interview with Cambu, who is one of our favorites. So
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your personal journey to really to becoming a leader in
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this field was very much grounded in your own experience,
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so addressing your own health challenges, and I wonder if
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you could share what were some of the pivotal moments
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that have now shaped your career and have maybe changed
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your own belief structures along the way.
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Absolutely so, as you mentioned now, we am an interventional
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radiologist by training, and for those who don't know what
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it is, it's a specialty that uses medical imaging to
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guide minimally invasive procedures, very high tech. I went into
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the field thinking that I want to know all about medicine.
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So radiology you can really use imaging to look inside
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the body, to look at disease states. And then as
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an interventional radiologist, we use the technology to perform mentally
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in basive surgeries. And throughout my life, I was constantly
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striving to achieved something outside of myself for success. Went
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to the best medical schools, got trained at the best
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medical institutions around the world, and I find myself a
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couple of years out of being an attending position, bought
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a fancy car, bought a fancy house, went around the
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world speaking on the advances of interventional radiology, and I
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remember looking myself in the mirror and this is after
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a failed relationship, this is after a injury to my shoulder,
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and I wasn't sure if I was going to be
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able to do surgery anymore. But that person who was
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looking back at me was overweight, was diabetic, had high
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blood pressure, had diabetes, and was on several prescriptive medications.
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And in that moment, I said, whatever I am doing
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in life now, if I had believed in the traditional
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medical model of health, I would understand that years down
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the road, not only will my doses and number of
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medications increase, but also potentially end up in my own
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operating room table. And so I realized that I needed
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to make a change in life, and I said, whatever
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I'm doing now is not working. And so that really
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opened up the door to starting to do some personal development.
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And as I dived into the world of personal developments,
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in the world of longevity and regenerative medicine, I just
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started to take on new habits on how I approached life,
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how I viewed life, how I slept, how I ate,
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how I moved, And I noticed, in a short period
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of time, I reversed my diabetes and high blood pressure.
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What I also noticed was that I had more energy,
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more creativity, more innovation. Everything started to unfold and improve
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and how I was living my life as we discover
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when we started to study the longest lived people on
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the planet was actually my best medicine. And what I've
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discovered is on the path of longevity, on the path
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of human potential. As we start to remember who we
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are and start to live in a place that is
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more authentic to who we are, we start to give
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messages to every single cell in our body, which from
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the science of epigenetics and will break this down a
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little bit more, actually turns on the genes to give
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us optimal health, longevity, and peak performance.
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Well, I do want to get more into the science
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of it and get into your work around what you
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call the drive state. But first I just wanted since
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we're talking about rewiring our beliefs here, I want to
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explore the belief structure is a little bit more for
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you and your personal journey. So you know, our behaviors
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are basically driven by the desire to meet our needs,
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whether it's a need for safety and security, for relationship,
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for love, for inclusion, and so forth, and then by
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our beliefs about how we get those needs met. Or not.
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So I wonder if the set of behaviors that we're
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leading you to be overweight, have diabetes, and beheaded on
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a not very positive health trajectory over time, if there
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was a set of beliefs kind of underlying those behaviors,
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and then you know, once you start to see different
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possibilities and kind of saw yourself in the mirror inside
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to make changes, if there were certain beliefs you had
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to change about how you were going to get your
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needs met, that then supported these new behaviors new habits.
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Oh, such a great question. I'm so glad you went
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into this. And I think in order for me to
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explain this, app to go back a little bit about
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my own personal journey. I was a Vietnamese boat refugee
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and my parents were forced to escape on a refugee
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boat a couple of years after the Vietnam War. We
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were crammed on a boat with two thousand other refugees
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and I was the only one, only infant to have survived.
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When I came to America, we were very poor. We
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were living in a crammed i don't know, like three
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hundred square foot apartment with my uncles and growing up
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I remember being bussed to a more affluent area for school,
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and I was constantly being teased for the holes of
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my hand me down clothes, for the different food my
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mom sent me to school with. I got a lot
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of go back to your home country, cheeky, those type
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of comments, And so growing up just felt like I
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was not enough, not good enough, not tall enough, not
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American enough, not white enough, not rich enough. Why do
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we have to live in this neighborhood. Why couldn't my
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parents speak English? Why could we not afford the clothes
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and the food that we saw that the other kids had,
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And so for the longest time, I was thinking why me,
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and so then set in the beliefs of I'm not
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good enough. Then basically what we're now starting to understand
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is there was a part of our brain and nervous
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system called the default mode network, and at the very
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early age, it just starts to take on the beliefs
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of your surroundings, from your parents, from your teachers, from society,
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from everywhere that's in there. And in particular, this autopilot
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mode of the brain is used to help us be safe.
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So anytime as a child we don't feel safe, we
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don't feel loved, we don't feel accepted. Those traumas also
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is something that's picked up by the default mode and
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it forms a version of us that are based on
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these beliefs. My version is not good enough, and so
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this version of myself went on the world thinking that
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I need to strive. I need to be something outside
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of myself to achieve so that I can have love,
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so that I could have worthiness, and my entire life,
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going through high school, striving an undergraduate, to medical school,
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to the nih of the Howard Hughes Medical Institutes of Hell,
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I was just chasing this thing outside of myself from
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the core belief of I am not enough. And so
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every single choice made from that consciousness of I am
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not enough meant I don't need to sleep because I
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need a hustle to achieve success. I don't need to
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eat good food, and I was stressed out every time
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I sat to eat. In fact that it needs to eat,
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I was running from patient to patient and grabbing some
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whatever fast food the cafeteria had at the time to
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stuff myself. And so the choices that I was making
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from that consciousness created basically the state of stress and
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disease in my body. And so those sets of beliefs
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led to emotions, led to actions, led to the behaviors,
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leading to the energetic state of my body that then
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basically created that state of stress and danger. And when
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our body senses and feels stress and danger, when you
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are not aligned with who you are, it basically turns
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on the genes of stress and the hormones of stress
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in our body, which increases inflammation, which lowers our immune system,
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which basically puts every single cell in our body in
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the consciousness that they are in danger and they're not
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going to perform very well. And basically, when you have
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the body system start to break down, you break down
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in a cardiovascular system. You could have high blood pressure,
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you could have arterial plaques. A breakdown in our nervous
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system will cause diseases like dementia and Alzheimer's. You have
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diseases that affect our endocrine and metabolic system that causes diabetes.
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So the root cause, as if so many of these
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factors are basically the energetic on the environment we are
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giving ourselves. And so, to answer your question, that belief
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of I am not good enough led to the choices
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that created the energetic environment that made my belt feel stressed.
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And it was a lot of the deep personal work
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in the personal development realm that I started to analyze,
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are these beliefs real? Am I really not good enough?
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Where did these beliefs come from? And it was really
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uncovering some of that work that led me to be
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able to be more conscious about how I approached life.
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And I'm going through this every single day. There's a
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version of myself that have to let go and get
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to choose new again. And really it was rewiring of
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that core belief of I am not worthy, I am
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not good enough, And it's a work I continue to
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do every single moment that has really allowed the reversal
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of all those diseases, be able to biologically age backwards
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and be in a s state that I was not
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in previously.
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Well, that's really fascinating. I'm sure familiar to a lot
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of us. A lot of us struggle with feelings of
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unworthiness and not being enough, and it's kind of endemic
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in the culture. And of course you coming over as
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a refugee in that way your life is really a miracle.
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Hearing your story. The only infanty to have survived that
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particular vote in that journey. Obviously you're here for a
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reason and really adding huge value to life today. And
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you know, some of us, because of those negative core beliefs,
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feelings unworthy, it's not enoughness, don't even really get our
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lives started or find ourselves really not able to actualize.
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But some of us, like you Dad, are driven to
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success at least out success to overcome that. But then
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we pay the price right as you were paying. And
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so now to be able to take your professional success
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and build a new foundation of self worth under it
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is what's really allowing you to add the value adding today,
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which is so fabulous. What you were describing was probably
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the opposite of the thrive state, And you were describing
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many of these illnesses that are so common today, diabetes
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as we age, forms of dimension, and Alzheimer's and all
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the cardiovascular illnesses that have deep roots, and all these
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have deep roots and often are attributed to what's called
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systemic inflammation, which can start very early on when we're
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not even having symptoms. And I would assume that when
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our body is in a state of systemic inflammation, that's
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also kind of the opposite of what you're calling the
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thrive's state, I'm assuming, but let's have you talk about
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the thrive state. What do you mean by that?
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Well, great questions there, and you know, I know you
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aren't an MD, but certainly you are very studied in this,
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my friend, and you're conscious toness and awareness and you're
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probing of these questions are so important. And so what
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is the thrive's state. Well, what it begins to understand
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once I started to study longevity epigenetics and how you
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know human biology works is you know, if we go
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back to the Big Bang, everything in life is energy.
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Every thing is energy interacting with different forms of energy,
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whether it be physical or non physical, and it's an
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exchange of information. I mean, right now, we can take
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the energy of the sun and it reaches basically photoreceptors,
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which is an energy receptor in our eyes, creating an
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action potential, which is a chemical energy that sends a
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nerve signal all the way down to our gut to
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then release serotonin, which is actually a physical chemical energy
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that has us feel starting to feel good. There's a
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transfer of energy. And we used to believe that our
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DNA is basically the blueprint for biology. Well, yes, it's
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a set of instructions, just like a recipe in a cookbook.
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But just because you have that cookbook doesn't mean dinner
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on the table is going to look the same. Each
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time you go through these recipes, and how these recipes
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are formed, that actually creates basically what the dinner table
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looks like. Very similarly, that's how our genes are meant
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to act. There are meant to be a blueprint, and
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it's constantly listening. Our DNA is constantly listening to the
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energetic cues in its environment and it responds. And so
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it's given a certain queue, it would basically have either
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a chemical or hormone, a protein, or some other form
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of energy cause a cascade of signals down to form
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transcription factors that basically turn on and turn off genes.
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the exact same DNA and every single cell in our body.
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they're basically turning on and off different genes. So our
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DNA is constantly listening to its external environment. So the
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study of the epigenetics EPI, meaning above genetics genes that
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basically say that it is the environment around the DNA
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or around the cell that determines how that cell will
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ultimately behave What signals are you giving to that DNA
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in the stress state when your body thinks that it
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is in danger. You know, there is a gene complex
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called the conserved transcriptional response to adversity CtrA is a
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set of my thing one hundred and fifty genes or
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so that when the body says it's stress or danger,
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it basically turns on a set of genes that increases inflammation,
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immune system. So basically every single cell in your body
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is doing this and all the ATP. We've got to
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fix the amount of ATP in our body. Are you
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diverting that ATP to protect yourself for inflammation and to
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drop your immune system or are you using it at
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ATP to grow, to heal, the thrive and so not
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being conscious in that state of stress, in the state
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and beliefs of I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough,
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I was basically turning on that stress the entire time
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my body. Basically, the entire ecosystem of ken Vu was
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thinking that it was in stress and danger. And that
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way we're basically again diverting the energy of growth and
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healing to that of stress. And over time as the
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systems break down, the symptoms are high blood pressure, the
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symptoms are poor sleep, weight gain, brain fog, aches and pains.
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is a state where the energy around the cells the
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energetic states of our body. This bio energetic state is
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basically giving your cells the signals of safety. And basically
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there is already an intelligence of our entire body that
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if you're able to give those cells the signal of safety,
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it does what it does best. And the outcome, the
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symptom of that is optimal health, longevity, and peak performance
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and the things of energetic state. There here's the empowering part.
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We choose that environment we give to ourselves. We either
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choose it consciously or we could use this unconsciously. And
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the five most important things that create this thrive state
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or affect the bio energetics of our body are physical
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which includes sleep, nutrition, and movement. Our thoughts in our
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mindset are social or community. What we do there a
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sense of purpose? Are we living for ourselves or do
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we understand we're part of something greater? And then certainly
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the emotional part, because the emotional piece is basically our
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body's interpretation of the energetics that are in our body.
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So this is incredibly fascinating and the science of epigenetics
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is advancing quite rapidly. And as you described that that
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environment around the genes at the cellular level, I think
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sometimes called the epigenome can be called that environment. It's
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basically an energy environment. And so this is really pointing
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to really the basis of what we call body mind
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medicine and all body mind relation to all the body
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mind practices. This is the inner face of the body
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and mind very much. Of course, there's stuff a lot
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we don't know about it, a lot we do. And
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you mentioned the intelligence of our overall bodies. So the
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immune system, which we don't fully understand how it works yet,
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but is phenomenally intelligent, and it's very much connected to
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this same epigenetic environment. And I know in I don't
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want to get too far a field here or get
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too woo woo. But in like holoic Straangross work around
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holotropic breath work, and then they've applied it as well
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as some of the psychoics assistant therapy, and that part
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of what they feel they're accessing or allowing us to
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access or we do ourselves through this kind of work
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is they call it an inner healing intelligence, that the
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body has this inner healing intelligence. And I don't think
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we we can think of that maybe higher consciousness of
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spiritual terms, but I think you can really be in
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a world of science bio energetic medicine here and talk
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about the intelligence of the immune system, the intelligence of
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this epigenic interface. I wonder if you could respond to that.
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Yeah, absolutely, If you want to start thinking about life
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and how everything's constructed, everything is a beautiful analogy of
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how life is organized. You know, if we take a
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look at heart, it is made up of millions of
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heart cells. Each one of those cells very very different.
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They each act on their own, but when a sense
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of stress, it's an environment. They all work together to
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have the heartbeat faster. But if you look at every
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heart cell itself, it's also an ecosystem. It's made of
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little tiny organelles, the nucleus, the ribosomes that make proteins.
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You have the gold Gie apparatus. You've got a many
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universe that's in there this ecosystem. But if you look
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at every single organelle in there, it is made up
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of macro molecules, proteins and things like that. You go further,
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is an ecosystem of subatomic molecules, atoms, pockets of energy,
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all that to form the human heart. Of course, it
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doesn't stop right, because the human heart works in the
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ecosystem of our lungs, of our kidneys, of the other
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organs of our body, forming the ecosystem that is the
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human body. We strapulate that out further. We could see
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how we are individuals just like cells in the body
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of our families, of our teams, are organizations and humanity itself.
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So everything is interconnected. So as you mentioned that, I
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want to say that ecosystems have three fundamental traits I
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think people should understand. One is independence. Every single cell
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in our body has its own individual function and functions
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on its own, and they have their own purpose. But
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among that there is also a profound interdependence. Just like
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the oxygen that extracted from our lung cell goes to
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our heart cell. Our heart cell pumps so that everything
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can circulate in our body. These cells are interdependent of
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each other. We are connected in that sense. And then lastly,
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there is a state of the entire ecosystem that affects
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every single cell that's in it. So as you we
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just mentioned here about you know, the breath work and
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the higher consciousness, well, our default mode network is a
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very very primitive part of our brain and nervous system
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that every human is blessed to have and in life
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we are meant, I think, to transcend our human biology.
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We you know, we come from the same things that
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are made from the stars. There is a divine nature
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in all of us. And this I don't actually think
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it's woo woo, it's to the truth. But we inherited
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this human part of us that makes this human flesh
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system stays alive, which is this nervous system, and in
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order to stay alive, it learns things along the way.
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And unfortunately, you know, now in modern times, I think
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it's very different from back in the day where we
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were in tribes. But now we learn that if we
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don't look a certain way, speak in certain way, think
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in a certain way, we will be outsted from the crowd.
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And so our default mode network makes us form this
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ego and it learns this thing. When we start to
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understand the science of breath work, we could talk about
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the physiology, although you know, and it's very scientific, but
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at the end of the day, we've actually studied people
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doing this type of breath work in fMRI machines and
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what we have noticed is equieting down the default mode network,
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a quieting down of these programs that are not us,
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that quieting down of this thing that's meant to keep
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us in danger because it's always looking out for what's wrong,
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what could happen, and who we are. If we can
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quiet that down, we remember who we are, the divinity
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of who we are, and that process and a lot
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of the practices that I promote to get into the
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thrive state is to quiet down that default mode. And so,
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you know, really important that you brought up that question.
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I'm glad you asked, and you know, I really do
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believe that we are on the precipice of people awakening
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to their true power and potential.
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You know, it's interesting you are referring in many way
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to the principle of macro micro micro macro relationship, or
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is the spiritual saying classic has been as above, so below,
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and that's a spiritual principle for a long time. But
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the more science progresses, the more we're seeing it's really
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completely a scientific principle. It holds true everywhere you look.
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It's quite fascinating. And you're also talking about that, you know,
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just talking about a heart cell, and you know how
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that extrapolates out to the whole being a large organism
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that we're part of, families and systems and so forth.
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But going all the way down into the heart cell,
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you get down into the atomic even the subatomic, and
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you get down to the quantum realm, where you know,
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you're kind of talking as things that feel very spiritual,
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very energetic, and very mysterious and whiting. They're there, they're
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not there, they're move right. So obviously we are a
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world of energy and spirit and energy and consciousness. And
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so the old reductionistic models seem to be falling away
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in the face of heart science. Hard science is kind
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of breaking down those old reductionistic models in many ways.
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So one thing I just wanted to check out with you,
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if you take an individual cell, it could be a
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hard sell and another type of cell. Take an individual
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cell and really isolate it like in a Pittri dish
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or something that it won't survive over time, and whereas
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if you put two cells together they resonate that sells
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need other cells. You mentioned the independence and the interdependence,
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but isn't there some quality that sells need other cells
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to create that resonance in that coherence It is part
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of the thrive state. And then we could extrapolate from
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there to all the practices, some of which you are referencing,
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that can move us into states of internal residence and coherence.
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Well, really great question. We actually can harvest and grows
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cells in isolation. They basically changed the different medium. And
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it's an artificial cell. It's not a cell that's really
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connected to do what it's meant to do, which is
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actually be a part of something much bigger. And we're
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probably going to be talking about that because I do
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believe that that is the key to understanding our performance
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and longevity is actually not living for ourselves, but living
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for others and recognizing that that is actually key for
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us to live longer as well. But you can't create
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these mediums that basically give the nutrients that other cells
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would be giving. But it's a very artificial cell, you know,
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it's not something that you know necessarily would exist out
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in nature. So you can create that. But within the body,
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they are all interconnected. You know, every single cell, you know,
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even if you think it's in the same organ, are
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completely different in terms of the amount of protein that's
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in there, the amount of ATP they use, where they
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are in the organ itself, and what exactly it does.
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And so every cell is unique there.
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And so in a sense, the idea that we're helpen
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here that as human beings, we're social beings. So that's
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also kind of a micro macro principle, right the way
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things are organized. You've been referencing, you know, basically we've
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begun talking about bio energetic medicine. I wonder if you
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could go further with that and talk about some of
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the basic principles and interventions for mitigating the impact or
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curing illnesses like diabetes, like Crohn's disease like and other disorders.
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Both interventions to heal those kind of ailments, but also
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then interventions and support overall health from all being thriving
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in nine events longevity and healthy aging. What are the
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principles of one of the interventions? What if transformation isn't
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just about thinking differently but feeling differently. Science shows us
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that true change happens when we align not just our minds,
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but also the neural networks in our hearts and guts.
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Yeah, I mentioned this earlier. Everything in life is just
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energy interacting with other energy, and so what exactly is
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bio energetic medicine is just understanding that the human body
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and the human biological processes there's an energy flow right
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with just mentioned how sunlight can basically turn on vitamin
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D in our body, but sunlight could also increase the serotonin.
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There's that energy, the physical energy of those light beams
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coming in transforming into a biological process. So as we understand,
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there's basically the entire there's energetic flow in our biological
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systems all the time, and so that is basically the
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bio energetics of the human body. So as we understand
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that I mentioned to you earlier, what energy and what
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environment are you creating for the cells in your body?
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Of the five things that I've mentioned, sleep, nutrition, movement
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in the physical realm, our emotions are thoughts. And let
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me tell you right now, we can't control a lot
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of our thoughts. Some people say eighty eight to one
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hundred thousand thoughts a day, most of them negative. Why
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because they're basically playing the programs of the default mode,
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which are looking for negativity and danger and stress. But
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what can we do? We can control where we shine
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the flashlight of the thoughts. We can choose which thoughts
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we want to focus on, where we want to put attention,
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and where we put our attention is what we feel,
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and all of a sudden, what we feel changes the
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energy that's inside our body. How do we connect with people?
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Are we holding resentment and anger for other people? If so,
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if we're feeling it, guess what our cells are as well?
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And then that final bits of purpose. Do we think
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that we're just surviving on our own and we're out
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there just me? How do I get more?
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Do this?
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Do that? Because that my friends is living in that
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space I used to live and I'm not worthy, I'm
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not enough. I need to attain more. That is of
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the default mode. And unconsciously you are telling your body
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that you are not safe. That's why that causes disease,
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versus understanding that you're connected to something bigger, which is
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why a purpose which is why serving does something very
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awesome to our subconscious mind. When you serve, when you
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help people, you're basically telling your body and your nervous
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system that you are safe. You're telling your body and
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nervous system that you are accepted and connected and that
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you are loved as well. And so those are the principles.
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These are the five areas. And if you look at
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these five areas, and if you could focus on each
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one of these things, you'll start to recognize those are
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the true root causes of disease. Yes, there are things
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outside of us that we cannot control, like for example,
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being exposed to infections or toxins. But outside of that,
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those are the things we can't control. And we start
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to work on creating conscious choices about how we approach
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those five pillars of our bio energetics, we could start
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to reverse disease. What we understand would a lot of
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autoimmune disease. Actually, most diseases out there also has a
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components of their gut. Because we have a you know,
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seventy to eighty percent of our immune system is lined
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by our gut, and if we're eating things that are
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destroying our gut, making our gut junctions leaky. Then we
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basically have this food particles and things from the outside
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world coming into our body that's turning on our immune system,
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and our immune system like, oh my god, we've just
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got attacked. Let's attack. They start shooting things down. They
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might start shooting things down that belong to you, right,
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So if it starts attacking your thyroid, you've got hashimotos,
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you start attacking your own gut, you've got Chrohn's disease,
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things of that nature. And so what I've found is
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that when people started working on the things that I
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have in my book Thrive State, naturally the symptoms would
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decrease and potentially even reverse the conditions that are there.
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And you know, I still recommend if you have nagging
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symptoms or going through something where you know those processes
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aren't working yet, certainly go see a functional medicine doctor.
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But those are great examples, and I have tons of
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examples of how people have been able to, you know,
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reverse their disease. I have a patient, Prouse, that I
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had treated for liver cancer back in the day, and
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he was someone without going too much into a story,
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was he got liver cancer. I would treat it with
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you know, a combination of chemotherapy and things to plug
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up his artery. The tumor would go away, but another
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tumor would form. And this was happen for years. I
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started to get more into the personal development realm and
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started to share maybe how he was living life. And
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there was one thing that was, you know, really gnawing
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at his life his entire time. Was he was a
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strange from his brothers. You know, they had a argument
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early on in life, and then his three brothers and
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him were estranged, and he thought he was going to die.
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And basically what he did was he wrote these letters,
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you know, telling him how much he wanted to reconnect
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with them and how he wanted to let the pass go.
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And in doing so I started to notice a change.
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And after that moment's on he started to say he
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started to you know, try to focus on creating the
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muscle of gratitude and feeling that more on a day
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to day basis. And I would say, after that moment,
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the cancer that just coming back over years has not
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come back in the last I think seven to ten
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years now. That is a beautiful story about how a
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shift in our energetics could start shifting the ways our
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selves behavior and our body, letting the neat intelligence of
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our cells and our body heal itself.
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You mentioned the importance of purpose and having got, you know,
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something bigger than just ourselves to live for and be
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motivated by, and maybe think of a lot of the
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neuroscientific research into positive emotions Richie Davidson's work and others
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where they've seen that that when we act altruistically we
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get all kinds of neurobiological awards that do contribute to
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a thrive state. And even observing others acting altruistically, we
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experience similar things. So there's so many different things. You're
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pointing to the fact that we could.
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Observe other people do some actruistic things and we feel
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that within ourselves. This speaks to how we are all
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energetically connected. We are all Bluetooth or Wi Fi connected teeth.
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The energy that we are able to share around us,
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which is why when we do the work of elevating
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ourselves that heal ourselves and bring ourselves into that energy,
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we basically contribute to the field that's out there. And
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so such an important point that you mentioned just by observing,
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So how do we start changing the world is really
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changing ourselves. And when we start to notice that how
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we respond to the world, we'll start to notice that
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the world will start to shift as well.
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Yeah. Absolutely so, bio energetic medicine, your work is certainly
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your work around longevity, healthy aging, and so on, within
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the context of what's often called integrated medicine, also preventive medicine.
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And there's a major shift here in that we've been
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many of us, probably most of us, have been enculturated
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at one point in our lives to be sort of
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passive patients to go to a doctor something's wrong, They
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prescribe a medicine, they provide intervention, and we just hope
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it works right. It doesn't require us to change our
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lifestyle or do anything thing differently or something. But what
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we're really talking about here is a need to empower
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ourselves and embrace the power of choice and the responsibility
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of choice around our own choices, and empower ourselves to
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start and the kind of changes that will support health
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and all beings. So I wonder if you could talk
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about that fundamental shift, because culturally, that's a huge shift
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for a lot of us.
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Yeah, we used to I think, you know, even back,
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you know, several hundred years ago, we had the Shamans
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in groups that were highly revered as the people that
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only had access to the healing. And then you know,
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when medicine started to you know, come on the Western
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you know, in the Western world, we play so much
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of our ability to heal over somebody else who may
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start to understand this, And unfortunately, this unconscious giving away
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of that power allows us to be stuck in the
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consciousness that creates the choices and the environment that basically
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creates that disease state. We're starting to wake up. We're
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starting to understand that disease itself is something that is
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generated by basically the consciousness in our own mind that basically,
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how can we control the energetics around ourselves? Are we
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positively controlling it or what type of energy we're starting
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to do. And then the epigenetics is really the empowering
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science that allows us to recognize, oh, in my biology,
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if my performance of my healing and my ability to
635
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stay away from disease is all the energetic environment around myselves,
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and if my choices are ultimately the major thing that
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controls the environment of ourselves, that's a very empowering, very
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empowering statement. Now, you know, it's certainly a journey to
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be able to get to a place where we can
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really truly feel that we can constantly choose this environment.
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But doing that work is ultimately the work that I
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did to, you know, reverse my disease. And certainly, and
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not only is reversing disease or preventing disease a perk,
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but you also find that you live life much more richly,
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You live life much more of an authentic version of
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yourself that you're performance, that your vitality and your energy
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is just so much better once you start to make
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these new choices.
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I think that's one of the real forks in the
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road in life, is whether we embrace choice and what
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may feel like a burden if we've been in cultuated
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to think that we're just life is happening to us
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and we're just coping with it. But once you do
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embrace choice, it's like opens the doors to all possibilities.
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So it seems like one of the real forks in
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the road for all of us. Let's talk about aging
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for a little bit here. Now, young people in the audience,
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maybe you're not so concerned about aging. I think you
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should be, because there's a lot of things choices we
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make when we're young are going to impact our aging
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later on. Now, it's also important to note no matter
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how we are, even if you have great hair like me,
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it's never too late to start doing healthy things that
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will have impact. But also things we're doing in our
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twenties can set us up for healthier aging. So it's
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really something we should be thinking about all along. I think,
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and you agree. So what are some of the misconceptions
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people have about aging and maybe some of the blue
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the structures that might not support healthy aging. And also
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when we're talking a lot about longevity, I want to
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talk more about longevity, but it's also important to talk
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about health span because if we lived, you know, to
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be ninety, but the last twenty years we're very unhealthy
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and suffering. That's not something anybody wants, right, So we
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need to talk about both longevity and health span. But
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let's start with the concept of aging and maybe some
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of the misconceptions about what is it in the body?
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Is it inevitable? I know some of the discoveries now
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about epigenetics and the function of the mitochondria, it seems
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like we may be able to slow aging down a bit,
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and so let's start there.
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Well, super exciting field. And I think the primary misconception
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about aging is that it's genetic that mom, dad, your
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uncle and all that maybe live to a certain age,
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they have certain diseases and ultimately that will you know,
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happen with you. And I would probably say it is
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probably if that to be true, it is more likely
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that you inherit their epig genome and not their genome.
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You've inherited their way of thinking, feeling, behaving, being that
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creates the energetic environment that basically turns on the diseases
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of aging. Now, what we can say about aging is
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our body. You know, we have David Sinclair talking about
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how it's these changes of the epigenome that starts basically
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making marks in our body. Every time we're exposed to
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toxins or negative energy, our body has to do a
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lot to be able to fix the DNA and to
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basically create a healthy cell well over time. Basically what
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happens is you're exposed to a lot of things. You're
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probably exposed to, you know, pathogens that are in the air,
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You're coroposed to toxic chemicals, hormone disruptors, things of that nature,
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and they start to pile up and basically our capacity
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to be able to get rid of those things decrease
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over time. The question is are you consciously choosing to
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live your life in which you're basically hitting your cells
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with a bunch of these insults throughout time, which accelerates aging,
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Which brings me basically to the second mixedconception is the
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time of years you spend the planet is actually the
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biological age you are, And that's untrue because the more
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stress that your body has to overcome, it basically ruins
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the biological machinery that keeps a healthy cells from functioning.
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So the smoking, the sleeping, the inflammatory foods, all that
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will increase the accelerated aging. So that's the difference between
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chronological age and biological age. The chronological age is how
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long you've been on the planet, you know, circling the Earth.
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But your biological age is a predictor of your performance,
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is a predictor of when you are going to die,
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as a predictor of how healthy and young your cells are,
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So that's really the difference there. So aging is not
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a chronological process but a biological process and we just
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talked about how epigenetics and bio energetic medicine is the
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empowering thing because you can now control the biological processes
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from the consciousness and the actions that you make from
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that conscious space. That's the major misconception. It is very
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exciting now that we've got science and technology potentially expanding
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our lifespan, but not only that, because who wants to
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live to one hundred and ten and spend thirty years miserable.
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We want to have vitality. We want to have elevated mental, emotional, physical,
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and sexual health even as we age. And so if
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we could keep ourselves young, we can potentially maintain and
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potentially even enhance these functions as we age. And we
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have a lot of things in the science and technology
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space that will help with creating the environment of ourselves
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that I'm really excited about that We have some people
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thinking that, you know, in the next couple of years,
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we'll really reach something called longevity escape velocity. That's when
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science and technology leads like stem cells, gene editing, and
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AI potentially give us back more time and give us
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more years. Facts are at a rate that we're aging,
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potentially allowing us to live forever. Now, I don't know
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where you feel about that, and I don't know how
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I feel about that yet. I think science will always
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play a factor, but hopefully not at the expense of
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people understanding the true capacity that they have within themselves
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to start to activate these biology of performance and longevity
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within themselves.
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Yeah, it's all quite fascinating, and you know, sometimes people
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often comment philosophically about this, but we really want to
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live forever even if we could. But certainly it does
749
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seem like the aging process can be slowed down. And
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there's some fascinating things going on with gene editing and
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so forth. But another royal technology, conventional medicine, allopathic medicine,
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what's called evidence based medicine that most of us encounter
753
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.559
when we go to our primary care provider is all
754
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based on averages. And you know, the test the runner
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they won't run. It's all based on the averages and
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the third party coverage from the insurance companies and so forth.
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And they're not talking about you as an individual. They're
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talking about averages in the Bell curve of all these
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huge studies, right, And what does that actually have to
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do with me? As an individual, not very much. So,
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I know technology is now allowing there's some things going
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on with genetic testing and also with some kind of
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photographic scanning a body type and some different things that
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are allowing practitioners of personalized medicine to help us engage
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in prevented medicine or even heal when we're having health
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problems in a way that's much more targeted, much more
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personalized to our actual biophysical makeup. So I wonder if
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you could talk a little bit about that or what's
769
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coming online in the realm of personalized medicine.
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Yeah, I think technology and science is really allowing us
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to be more precise in how we treat people. We
772
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are all different ecosystems, right. We took like five different cars,
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like a Lamborghini, Tesla, Ahda Civic and all these things,
774
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and we start to look at, you know, different metrics
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of what they do. They're all gonna give you different metrics.
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They're all going to require different energy forms to fuel
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their body because they're all designed differently. And similarly, we
778
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were all designed differently as well. I am actually of
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the belief that our bodies, like if we take a
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look at all the animals in the world. For example,
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when we take a look of birds, they've got wings.
782
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Oh okay, you've got wings, This thing is gonna fly.
783
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We've got animals with web feet, Oh okay, they got
784
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web feet. Most likely they're going to be treading in
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the water. So our outside body gives us a clue
786
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to what our purpose really is because we are normally
787
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will have gifts of you know, different people are gonna
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have different gifts, and you can probably take a shot
789
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of this by looking at somebody's outside. There's an amazing
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technology that I am working with called Shae dot Ai,
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which basically would they snap a smartphone be able to
792
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take a look at your outside being to deconstruct how
793
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your nervous system, gut system and all that works on
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the inside, and if you follow their recommendations. It's basically
795
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not the recommendations that are given to everybody, but this
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is how your body works. This is how you respond
797
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to light, this is how you respond to sleep, and
798
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it basically allows you to get recommendations for you to
799
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really step up and to become your best state. And
800
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there's going to be more of those technologies once we
801
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start to understand how laboratory values, how our genes and
802
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how all these different data points form this entire ecosystem,
803
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buzzing ecosystem that is the human body. So we'll have
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basically technology being able to truly allow us to understand
805
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more in real time what's happening inside. And it's just
806
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additional data sets for us to be able to make
807
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more precise choices about how we live our life.
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Yeah, I had the opportunity to interview the founder of
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the Shay app of while wiring the brain sum as fascinating.
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I haven't done it yet, but I definitely want to
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end plan. I think it was very compelling. So along
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with the world, you know, I know that you emphasize
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lifestyle medicine, and you were talking about those five areas
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of a life where we can all make healthier choices
815
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that will give us a better, a more a healthier
816
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epigenetic environment or epigenome. Right, that's going to help us
817
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be in that drive state or more in that drive state,
818
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and so that's successful to all of us. Really, there
819
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are choices we can make. It don't really cost us
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any money, might even save us money in some cases. Right,
821
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And there is one thing I liked about the Shay
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app is this is personalized medicine, but it's pretty accessible.
823
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It's not something that's going to cost a fortune now
824
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getting recommendations and getting your primary care provider to go
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along with that maybe another question. So that points in
826
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the direction of today. There is the practice of medicine.
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It's sometimes called coulciers medicine and approssiate what executive colciers medicine,
828
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and often what's offered there are you know, much deeper
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blood work, type of scans, different types of genetic testing
830
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and so forth. And it can be incredibly expensive and
831
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really only accessible by you know, the maybe the one
832
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percent in our society basically, and so I know there
833
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have even been some efforts some hospital systems to try
834
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to make it a little more accessible where you pay
835
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a big dollar amount the year, but it's still significant money.
836
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It's kind of an elite kind of thing that one
837
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can access. So the reason I'm asking you about this
838
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is for people who you know, are concerned about healthy aging,
839
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they're interested in longevity, increasing their health spend. They really
840
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want to live and thrive as long as they can
841
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in life and optimize their life in many ways. You know,
842
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what might be some of the primary areas to look
843
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into our choices to make you know on how we
844
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you know, allocate our time and our financial resources to
845
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try to optimize our health.
846
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.480
That's a great question. You know a lot of things
847
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in the biohacking space right now. We've got people like
848
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a Brian Johnson, you know, spending you know, upwards of
849
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two million plus a year on his body, and obviously
850
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that's not accessible to most people. But even he himself
851
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will tell you that what moves the needle the most
852
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for most people are the very very basic things. I
853
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wrote my book Thrive's Day to make it accessible. In fact,
854
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everything in my book is basically free to do and
855
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without doing some of the more personal, deeper work yet,
856
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which I find is going to be so important because
857
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.960
to understand and master mental and emotional and spiritual we
858
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have to do a lot deeper work. What can people
859
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.079
do in the meantime and in the meantime if you
860
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.960
focus on the physical, if you just slept better, eate better,
861
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.239
move better, you'll start to notice the shift in your
862
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:43.000
body already. Can you be just a little bit more
863
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.320
conscious about those three things? And what is going to
864
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.960
be the easiest thing for you to adapt, because once
865
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you start to know that that, it's a positive bile
866
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feedback for you to go, oh wow, I made a change.
867
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I feel a difference in my body. What else can
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I do? And so I think starting with the physical
869
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aspects of sleeping, moving, and what you eat are so important.
870
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.800
And within the physical realm is trying things out like
871
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breath work, because if you find that you can immediately
872
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.480
take an emotion of stress, worry, anxiety, fear and very
873
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.559
quickly transform that into something different. You know, one of
874
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my courses is all about, you know, changing our energies.
875
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.960
Where do our energies come from? What are the physical
876
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.480
things that we can do to and we'll notice, you know,
877
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when we sleep, move, breathe differently will start to known
878
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.199
as the shift in our body. So I think that
879
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is something that is probably going to be most accessible
880
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:36.760
for people because the other things that are going to
881
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.599
require how do we start connecting and healing our relationships
882
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.559
with the people around us, How do we start to
883
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.599
heal ourselves some of the deeper work that we do.
884
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But I would say the very next step is for me,
885
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.559
is allowing different times of the day. Because we mentioned
886
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.400
this whole thing about creating disease and the bio energetic
887
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.840
state in our body is really about our consciousness. Are
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we actually living the life and the program and the
889
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:07.280
beliefs that we choose, or are we on this default
890
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.079
programming that's been running for years now and we're making
891
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.960
choices and reacting base looking at our circumstances and reacting
892
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.440
from this program. So building in times throughout the day,
893
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and the more times you build in the better. But
894
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.079
how can you do this? You could set alarms? You
895
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.519
can every time you every time I walk through a
896
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.159
set of doors or underneath doorway, I'm like, all right,
897
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can I get intentional? How do I want to be
898
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.079
when I walk through that door? Do I want to
899
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be generous? Do I want to be loving? Do I
900
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want to be connected? How do I want to show
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00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.760
up there? And I just give myself a couple of moments.
902
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.000
And here's the thing. Once we start to do some
903
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of the work, the deeper work that I do with people,
904
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.679
will start to understand that just by getting quiet, just
905
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with our focus and our breath, we can start to
906
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.199
create these emotions in our body. We could start to
907
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.719
feel wealthy before wealth is out there. We could start
908
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.639
to feel feel connected. We could start to feel joy,
909
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we could start to feel we could create these emotions
910
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in our body. We could create the energy in our
911
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body just with our focus, our breath alone. And once
912
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we start to get into the practice and know that
913
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we can do this, we can start to insert this
914
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in different parts of the day. And the more we
915
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do this, we are basically rewire our entire body and
916
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:26.280
brain into a new frequency, into a new energy, and
917
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that's when we see lots of synchronicities happen, not only
918
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improvements in our health, but really bringing in probably the
919
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things that were just dreams in your mind. And so
920
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practical steps focus on the nice and tangible things. The
921
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other things I talk about sound a little woo woo,
922
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but me, as a medical doctor, you know, can talk
923
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about all the scientific breakthroughs that are demonstrating that our
924
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.639
ability to tap into higher levels of our consciousness actually
925
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.480
heals our body and also you know, brings in more
926
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synchronicities to our life. But that's something that we could
927
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all work towards.
928
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.800
Absolutely, so we're coming close to the end of our
929
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time here. I want to ask one I think final question,
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and this is the power of measurement and feedback loops
931
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and what I'm referencing here because again this has to
932
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do with some of the way we might allocate our
933
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.000
resources in medicine and so forth. But even with all
934
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.840
the things you talked about, the lifestyle changes we can make,
935
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the mindfluence, meditation, breadth word, focusing on getting restorative sleep, diet, exercise,
936
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and all these kind of things, you know, having a
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sense of purpose, volunteering and doing our relation the quality
938
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of our relationsip, all these things that have been really
939
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shown to impact health. In fact, the Harvard Study of
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Adult Development, the longest long studental study anywhere, is showing
941
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that the quality of our relationships is probably the biggest
942
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impact on our longevity and health. Right, So there's a
943
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lot of things we can do, but often making changes,
944
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it's helpful when we can see some result or we
945
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get some measurements and the kind of biohacking it as
946
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:58.760
well as they sometimes say if you can't measure, it
947
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won't improve, or if you do measure, sure it will improve,
948
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and things like that. So there are some things any
949
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of us can do. I mean, they do cost some money,
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but like I have several wearables I use and I'm
951
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using this to really work on trying to optimize my
952
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sleep and other things about Sometimes the deep blood work
953
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that your primary care provider usually won't do, you have
954
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to go to maybe an integrative medicine clinic or something
955
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to do a deeper blood work. Now, some people in
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the biohacking space will regularly do deep blood work and
957
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hormonal testing because they're making incremental changes. They want to
958
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see if there was a result. That probably can get expensive,
959
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and it's also becomes almost like an occupation, but it
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might be helpful. I want to ask you, is it
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helpful maybe periodically or even once a year to do
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some deeper blood work and work with a physician to
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see what impacts some of the things you're doing otherwise
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may be having on your health and what some of
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the risk factors are where you might want to focus
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or this could be the same for various types of
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genetic testing. So the whole aspect of measurement, whether it's
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wearables or various types of medical testing, to see if
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we're improving, motivate us to improve, to monitor where to
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focus our attention with an aspectrum of those five areas
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they spoke about, and so forth.
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Yeah, great question. I do really believe that being able
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to measure something gives us a biofeedback loop. I'm starting
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to enjoy wearables more now, but I lose them all
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the time, and I feel like I've tuned in my
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body and you will be able to intuit or have
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a sense of just from how you feel, how your
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body is responding. And that's something that we could develop
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with wearable technologies because you'll start to be okay, this
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is right, I start to feel, you know, I'm starting
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to feel it a little bit different. So I used
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to test all the time. I used to do really
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full big blood panels, like every three months or so
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to see where I'm at, how I change my eating,
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how I change my sleeping, and how that affected my
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metabolic markers. So certainly, I think that having a more
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comprehensive set of labs done frequently is something that's going
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to be useful. Now it all comes down again to budget.
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How much money do you have to spend, because these
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comprehensive labs can cost you know, upwards of you know,
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high hundreds to the thousands of dollars depending on what
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you want to get tested. But I think and then
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back in the day the wearbulls, I would probably say
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we're only about sixty to seventy percent good that I
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wouldn't necessarily look at the score and go, I'm going
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to look at you know. I had so many of
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my clients look at their sleep score and said, man,
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I slept really well, but god dang it, this number
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is still like sixty thirty and they would get all
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stressed out. And that defeats the point because they're not
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super accurate, but they're great for trends. So measuring, I
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think is great, and I think everybody probably needs to
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potentially work with a health coach or an integrated position
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to just basically balance out where you are in terms
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of your budget, how often you want to get tested,
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and what are your goals really are At this point,
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I do my blood work not four times a year,
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but two times a year, and I find that how
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I feel on a day to day basis is a
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good gauge of how my body's actually doing, and that's
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something you get to, you know, at the end of
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the day. I think that testing is great, but I
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think we'll eventually get to a point where you can
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actually intuitively feel like how your body is responding and
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basically anything that you measure is just used to cooberate
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the intuition you have about what's going on inside. And
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I think that's super That's something that that's a skill
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that we're going to develop. I want to really end
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with this last thing in terms of, you know, understanding
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the parallels of who we are as a human being
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to the human body, and if we want to live forever,
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if we want to perform at our best, can we
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start to use the analogy of the microcosm that is
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our human body. If I was a heart cell and
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that heart cell wanted to live forever and perform it
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at its best, there basically is two main choices. Right
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that heart cell could go, Man, I'm going to steal
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all the oxygen, grab all the nutrients, and just hustle
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and grab all these things and get all these things
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so it could divide and it could grow. It could
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do that for it to survive. And there's actually a
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state of that in our body. It's called cancer, and
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that thing basically ruins the entire ecosystem that that would
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cause the demise and the human being. But even just
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think of it the other way, and a heart cell
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starts to understand that I'm not just here for me,
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I'm here for everything else here. I just need to
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exist as myself, do the thing I do best, and
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then do it for other people, do it for the
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other cells in the body. All of a sudden, it's
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doing its thing, but it's getting the optimal version of
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a lung cell giving it oxygen. It's getting the kidney
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cell that's extracting all of the toxins away from it
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to provide that environment for itself. So in order for
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basically itself to live its longest, to performance best is
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to serve this thing that it belongs to. That's where
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we are as humanity itself. If we are in that
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ego based mode of what can I do, how do
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I live longer? How do I get more? We're basically
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in that same consciousness that causes cancer in the body.
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But if we can start to really recognized and certainly
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doing the breath work, and I think you know, psychedelics
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can open the door to what we really are is
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something that is connected, yes, super unique in a way,
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but connected to something much much bigger. And if we
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start to recognize that, this is why understanding our purpose understanding,
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giving understanding that the things that light us up, the
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things that inspire us, those things that make us feel
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so good, is actually encoded into our DNA. And if
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we just exist as that that it's not something you
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necessarily have to go find, but something that you are
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versus the things that we're programmed, we were not. We
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recognize that, and we live as that and serve that
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which we are a part of. That is the true
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sense of human performance and longevity.
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Well, I love that, And you're describing that drive state
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is basically our it's our birthright and in some ways
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our true default mode. You know, you pulled up here
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in survival biology kind of clicks in with the negativity
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and so forth. Also, as you were spoken, made me
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think of something I've always loved from vading philosophy, Indra's net.
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I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it's
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the idea is like a huge fish net or something,
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and all the nodes where the you know, where the
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nots on a net, right, there's like a jewel or
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a pearl that reflects all the information in the net.
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And it's sort of like that's similar to Bome's holo
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trophic universe and these ideas, but so based on and
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you know, once the World Wide Web came on it,
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it's like whoa, we finally made this visible. Right, it's
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a physical form of it. But what I've always liked
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about that is I understand my place in the world.
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My job is really to be a good node on
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the net, to try to be the best node I
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can be on the net. So I'm adding at least
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as much value to the net as I'm receiving. And
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so it'd be a good look. If I want to
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change the world, want to create global transporation pot well,
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for I have to take care of myself because if
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I'm an unhealthy node on the net, what am I
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going to be contributing? Right, So taking care of myself,
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but in service of being a good node in this
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larger net, adding as much value as I'm receiving, if
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not more. So. I love that. That's what I was
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hearing as you were describing relationship. Yeah, well, thank you
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so much. Ken. Doctor kenbu a leading authority in lifestyle medicine,
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bio energetic medicine, and you're really bringing a wonderful voice
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to the world of health and healthy aging. And longevity.
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So thank you so much for your work. Thank you
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for having me Fleeton, Thank you for joining me on
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