The mystery of Bob_s wives_ How one wife_s suspected homicide is inspiring another_s family

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I'm Ana Garcia right now on True Crime News, Eric
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and Lyle Menendez. As the killer brother's fate hangs in
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the balance, their attorney, Mark Garaghos talks to.
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Us they have done more than enough time, a.
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New DA new delays their bid for freedom just got
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more complicated.
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I would have to review thousands of pages of confidential
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prison files.
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Plus a woman is dead from an apparent suicide. Nineteen
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years later, another woman is murdered in the same house
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and they were both married to the same man. Tragic coincidence,
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Sorry from the crimea or of the bar or was
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it something more sinister? Your daily source for true crime
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starts right now. Thanks for joining us. We begin with
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the latest twist in the Menenda's brother's fight to be
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set free. Their attorney, Mark Garrigos, was just in court
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today and I spoke to him about where things stand
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and where they go from here. The Menendez brothers were
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close to freedom, or so it seemed.
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If the judge does what we're asking for, which is
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recall the murdered conviction and then deem it a manslaughter,
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they would have more than enough time, serge, and would
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be released immediately. If there's any justice in the world.
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That's what I think should happen.
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Criminal defense attorney Mark Garragos telling me he hoped to
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have the brothers home for the Thanksgiving holiday, but that's
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likely not happening, as lawyers gather in a Los Angeles
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courtroom for a hearing to determine the next steps under
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the law. Since they we're under twenty six years of
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age at the time that the crimes occurred, there will
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be eligible for parole. Image This was the scene just
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a few weeks ago when La District Attorney George Gascone
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recommended resentencing for the brothers, with members of the Menendez
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family by his side.
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Today is a day filled with hope for our family.
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That was before Gascone was soundly defeated in the November
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election by Nathan Hawkman, who will start his new job
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in December. Lyle and Eric Menendez have been in prison
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for over three decades, convicted for the brutal killing of
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their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez, as they watched TV
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in their Beverly Hills mansion. What's the problem, what's the problem.
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At the time, the twenty one and eighteen year old
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brothers said they found their parents when they arrived home,
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but would later admit to shooting them.
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Hey, bright me, did you cry?
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Yes?
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Were you scared?
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Mary?
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Did you ask him not to?
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Yes?
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Sir?
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How did you ask him not to?
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I was totally.
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During the first trials, allegations of sexual abuse by their
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father was what led them to kill, which resulted in
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two hung juries. A new trial, where those claims were
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largely limited by a judge, ended with a guilty verdict
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and a life sentence without parole. The controversial case has
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gained a lot of attention with recent documentaries in social
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media posts about the brothers. Meanwhile, California Governor Gavin Newsom
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also weighed in, responding on his podcast to questions about
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whether he would be willing to grant clemency to the brothers.
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I think it's the right thing to do to hear
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from the new DA.
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Before I make any decisions, and so I'll.
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Be deferring to his review, his analysis and recommendation.
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But what will that recommendation b the incoming DA telling
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true crime news is probably going to take some time.
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You've got to do a thorough review of the facts
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and the law involved. Now, in Monendo's case, that would
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mean I would have to review thousands of pages of
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confidential prison files, thousands of pages of trial transcrips from
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two months long trials.
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And Hawkman says there is a lot of work to
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do on the case, adding that he's not even sure
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it will be on his desk when he arrives.
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I'd have to speak to the prosecutors, law enforcement, defense counsel.
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I have to speak to the victim family members as well.
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That's the type of analysis that you would expect any
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DA doing their job to actually do. Now, much of
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what I just described is not available to Nate, But
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if the case is still on my desk when I
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assume the position of DA on December two, is exactly
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the type of analysis I will engage in.
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So the fact that everything has changed so much, especially
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with the new DA coming in, how are they handling
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this roll or coaster of information and emotions.
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You can imagine after going twenty years with no hope,
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which by the way, is one of the most compelling
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things about their record. They for twenty years have had
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no hope whatsoever, Yet they did not do what a
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lot of prisoners do. They decided to do good and
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they've done amazing work while there and there I've been
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down there. It's an incredible facility with great correctional officers
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who have sun their praises, so it's very impressive.
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In the meantime, it appears the menendas brothers will remain
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behind bars for at least one more holiday, and of
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course we will continue to bring you updates both here
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and on true crimenews dot com coming up too suspicious
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depths nearly two decades apart. But there's one common denominator.
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When you looked at the crime scene pictures, it was
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a staged event.
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What really happened in the house on North Moodist Road.
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That's next. When Robert Kouloski's first wife, Paula died of
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an apparent suicide, Connecticut police thought it was just another
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small town tragedy. Nineteen years later, his second wife, Sandra,
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was murdered at the very same address, leaving many wondering
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what was going on in that house. It's a cold
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March morning in the small town of Moodus, Connecticut, and
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state police have determined that fifty six year old Sandra
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Kouloski has been murdered by blunt force trauma to the head,
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but no arrests are made, no suspects or persons of
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interest named. Police say the case remains under investigation. That's
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all anyone knows about the mysterious death of Sandy Kuloski.
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It's very strange.
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There's been almost no news, no information out there as
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to how this woman died, why she died.
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But strangely, police know all about the house where Sandra died.
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Nineteen years earlier, another woman passed away there and she
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had also been married to Sandra Koulowski's husband, Robert, who
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made the call to nine one one after discovering his
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then wife in the bedroom.
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I got a call from the state police. They said,
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there's a problem with your sister. You have to come immediately.
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Paula's brother, John Carbo, met Robert Koulowski when he started
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dating Paulum.
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She was working at ETNA and she was beginning to
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enter middle management and Bob Kolowski was working as a
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person who would fill up the vending machines. So they
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struck up a relationship, and at that time he told
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her that his name was Bob Cornish, and he told
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her that he graduated with a degree in music, but
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couldn't find a degree teaching. Later we found out all
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that was a lie.
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Paula looked past all of that, building a life with
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Robert that included a nine year old son, a home,
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and a graduate degree in business that Paula was on
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track to receive in a matter of weeks. But early
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one morning, when Robert returned to their home after running errands,
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it would shock Paula's friends and family to learn police
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quickly ruled her death by gunshot a suicide.
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There was a narrative taking place, and my sister was depressed,
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and this is why she did it. But this narrative
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took hold and it just had a life of its own.
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Mister Kulaski had told the police that my sister was
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depressed because my mother had passed away five months earlier.
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Well that wasn't the case at all. My mother died
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of cancer. She had a two year illness. Obviously, we're
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all sad. We knew it was coming. No one wants
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their family members to be in pain.
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Paula's brother, John says nothing about her final days would
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suggest she was suicidal.
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A week before this event happened, my sister was fitted
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for a cap and gown. She was going to be
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graduating from college at University of Hartford with honors in
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a degree in business.
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But just two weeks earlier, she had received a big
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bonus at work, and John says Paula had a great
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relationship with her nine year old son.
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The afternoon before she passes away, she went to the
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dentist to have her teeth claimed. Now, these are not
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the actions of somebody who's contemplating suicide.
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Unable to get Connecticut police to reconsider his sister's death
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a homicide, he begins building a civil case against Bob
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to get to the truth.
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We actually hired from Dartmouth an expert on suicide, and
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he analyzed all of the facts of Paula Kulowski's life
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and he concluded she had no risk factors for suicide.
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What's more, the deputy chief medical examiner in Paula's death
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says he based his conclusion almost solely on what police
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had told him.
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The reason why he concluded that it was a suicide
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was really based upon the police report that was provided
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to him.
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Paula's brother, John begins looking at other evidence.
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I requested all the information from the state. When you
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looked at the crime scene pictures, it was a staged event.
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One of the first things John found suspicious were family
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photos placed on the bed surrounding his sister's body.
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The pictures are facing out. If you're in bed and
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these pictures are going to be your last pictures or
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objects that you're going to look at in this lifetime,
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why wouldn't they be facing you?
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And the pictures are surprisingly clean.
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If she shot herself, after looking at the photos, you'd
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think that there will be blood all over the photos.
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The police don't process the pictures for fingerprints. They never
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even process a test for gunpowder residue on Paula's hands
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to determine if she fired the gun, And when John
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and a private investigator finally forced them to send their
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tests to a lab, Paula.
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Had no gunshot residue on her hands. If she committed suicide,
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she would have had gunshot residue on her hand. When
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he showed me the facts and I first looked at it,
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I said, there's no way that Paula Kulaski could have
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killed herself.
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When we come back, Paula's family fights for answers, but
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Bob's not giving them.
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Your wife in bed with blood all around.
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The bed recollection.
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That doesn't stop his secrets from coming to light. We're
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back with the mysterious depths of two women who were
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each married to the same man, Robert Kolowski. Are their deaths,
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which are decades apart connected, That's what one of their
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families is trying to prove. Paula Kolowski's family was convinced
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her husband, Robert murdered her and staged it to look
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like a suicide, and they filed a civil suit to
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push for answers.
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To try to get the facts out that the police
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never got.
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But to prove wrongful death, they needed to demonstrate motive.
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The forensic accountant found that at the time of her death,
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mister Kwaski owed one hundred and ninety thousand dollars in
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personal credit card debt.
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That debt was read out over forty one different credit cards,
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suspiciously pointing to a secret life.
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They were all cash at Fanses.
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Attorney Steve Reck says Paula made a nice middle class
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income working at an insurance agency, but Bob was writing
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thousands of checks from the couple's joint account, floating the
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cash pulled from the credit cards.
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The checks are written to numerous credit card companies and
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various organizations, so no one.
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Could determine what the credit card charges were for. Steve
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Reck believes that Paula had discovered her husband's debt. He
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says not long before her death, she took over the
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checking account and started writing checks herself.
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Then two days before the death, Robert Kulaski started writing
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checks again out of that account from a different check series.
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Avram Specker represented Bob Kolowski in the wrongful death suit
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and says their accusation that Bob wanted a nearly four
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hundred thousand dollars payoff from her life insurance and a
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state is bogus.
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I don't know about the debt, and I don't know
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that that four hundred thousand dollars figures is accurate.
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But Paula's family sought to get Robert to clarify everything
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in a legal deposition.
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We had gathered the facts, and we knew the case
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up and down. We were ready for this deposition, and
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we have been waiting for it for a long long time.
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But their excitement quickly fades as fast as Bob's memory.
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Do you recall what time he woke up on February thirteen.
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I called, you recall what your wife was doing when
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you woke up. I can't.
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Do you recall what you did.
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After you woke up?
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And I can't.
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You recalled fighting your wife in bed with blood all
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around the bed.
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And I recognize one thing Bob Kuloski did remember and
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was certain of. He didn't kill his wife.
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You recall whether or not you shot your wife in
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the head.
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No, I did not.
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Well, if you have absolutely no recollect that morning, then
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how can you tell me here today that you did not.
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Shoot your wife in the head?
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Because I know I can have And how do you
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remember that?
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Okay?
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And Bob offered a reason why he may have had
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memory loss.
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They can recall Sorley from the trauma for shock, the
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upset of the day, the time.
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Bob claims an officer at his house the morning of
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his wife's death is the one who determined Bob was
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in shock?
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What don't trooper look like?
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And instructed you that you were in shock?
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I can't recall where you read it for shock.
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And not only is Robert's memory gone, so is most
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of the money he received his benefits after Paula's death.
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Okay, is that money still in your savings account?
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No, it is not.
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But where is it?
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Enough?
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Done with expenses?
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Expenses?
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What does that mean of funeral expenses, upgrade vacations with
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my son on a, purchases vehicles.
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Unable to get more information about the circumstances of Paula's death,
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and aware that there is almost no money left, the
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family agrees to a settlement, taking ninety thousand dollars, most
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of which goes toward a college fund for Robert and
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Paula's son.
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I think that mister Klasky as far as what he
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might have had to pay in damages on the case.
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But with the deposition, it's crucial evidence. And another of
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Robert's wives dead in the same house as Paula, her
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family still hopes it may help investigators solve what is
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deemed an active homicide.
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I've had three conversations with the police. Each conversation in
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fifteen minutes. They asked me about the financials in the
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Paula's case.
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It would ask the state, now that his second wife
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has been murdered, to go back to look at that
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video deposition, to look at the financial records, to gather
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all the facts, and to reopen Paula Kuloski's case.
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Surprisingly, this latest death has really resurrected my sister's story.
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My sister now has a voice and people are beginning
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to at least listen to this case.
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If that happens, Paula's family hopes their sister will get
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the justice they feel she's been denied.
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I do believe that the facts that exist should be
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put before a jury. I mean that's my understanding of
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our system. Let the jury make the determination if you
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don't know, and I would be very happy with that.
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We reached out to the Connecticut State Police to find
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out if there are any breakthroughs in Sandra Kuloski's homicide case.
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They told us that her death is still being in investigated,
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but would not comment on whether Robert was a suspect
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in her murder now since the case remains unsolved. A
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Connecticut judge ruled that an insurance company does not currently
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have to pay him a two hundred and seventy five
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thousand dollars life insurance policy that was in Sandra's name.
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We'll be right back on the next True Crime news.
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Who's a little girl just under two years old vanishes
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into thin air.
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A part of me always wonders if she was yelling
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out for me to save and protect Charlie. It hunts
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me every day.
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Her final moments before disappearing remain a mystery.
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We don't think she was abducted, and we think foul
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plays involved.
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Watch is a mom desperate for answers confronts her toddler's father.
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Tell me what happened to my daughter?
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On the next true crime news. For the latest breaking
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crime news, go to truecrimenews dot com. Watch more exclusive
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follow us at my True Crime News. That's it for
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today's true crime news. I'm anagar Ciac. Next time, everyone,
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