#144 - How To Heal The Body Without Medication | Dr. Leisa Grgula

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you have treated a lot of patients.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen people's mentality affect their results?
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[SPEAKER_02]: For instance, a musculoskeletal condition like a shoulder issue or knee issue and the first thing none of his mouth is nothing you can do with my shoulder because it is what it is and it's going to be this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already made his mind out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure we're going to get the right results.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not to the level that maybe I would expect for that patient because some people just have to be sick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just have to have a condition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I want that perfect patient to want to get better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have patients who walk in and they start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the step I can take.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can stand from a seated position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best part for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The letters and the testimonials.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know we all do it for social media now, but it's really in my heart.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today on our podcast, I'm excited to welcome Dr. Lisa Gurgola, a chiropractic physician with nearly three decades of experience helping patients heal without medications.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Dr. Lisa earned her doctor of chiropractic degree from the National University of Health Sciences.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As she's the owner of accurate care medical wellness center, an integrated clinic dedicated to providing proven alternatives to drugs and surgery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: At the clinic, she leads a team of physicians who focus on regenerative therapies and personalized care that respects each patient's values and goals.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Beyond her clinical work, Dr. Lisa is a seasoned TV host and economist for various outlets exploring important health topics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And welcome to the show, Dr. Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for inviting me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I'm so excited about our conversation because I know you have a wealth of knowledge, helping patients using innovative and alternative methods to focus more on drug-free recovery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You do use medications in your practice, but a lot of it can be done without drugs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so why would you choose that kind of approach?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it depends on what the patient wants because they've gone to their medical physicians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've gone to practitioners who maybe have over-medicated them and they've got side effects they're just done with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they'll come to us just to try something else and I listen to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And another reason I like that we have both in our practice is that they don't have to hide anything from their medical practitioners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that happens a lot more than I ever had known.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they won't tell them that they're receiving acupuncture, chiropractic, stem cell therapy, sometimes you just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if it's all under one roof and they're getting their medical care and their alternative care, there's no reason to hide it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious because I've been in the US for over thirty years and now and I remember when I first came to the country how me just mentioning acupuncture because I came from China, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just hard of how you exist is that you embrace both Chinese medicine and Western medicine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So to me is a no brainer, you know, we know sometimes acupuncture and Chinese medicine works great and sometimes Western medicine works great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I didn't have any prejudice when I came, but when I started mentioning Chinese medicine or acupuncture, I was in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's supposed to be more liberal in open place, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But people were looking at me like I'm just weird, you know, very strange out there, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that has changed a lot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, there are still prejudice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's existing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what do you think are the common myths and misconceptions about alternative medicine?
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[SPEAKER_02]: First that there's no science behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have to try a lot harder and even as a care-apractic position, we have to try so much harder and work harder at science behind what we do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we have to do that, especially for insurance reimbursements, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when it's with acupuncture, there is science behind acupuncture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Acupuncture has been around as you know since the Stone Age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it wouldn't be around since the Stone Age if it wasn't working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when people say to me, I don't believe in acupuncture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually my answer is it's not a religion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing to believe in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a science.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what's interesting the same people who say I don't believe in it when they have
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[SPEAKER_04]: in tractable aches and pains and they nothing helped and then they went to an acupuncturist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All of a sudden you said I go religion, they have a conversion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now they are believer and they're telling everybody about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do see that too and I've seen it over the last thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love what I do because I can turn the light bulb on for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when the bulb goes on and they get it, it's such a good feeling to me and that's really why I'm a physician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I do see, you know, part of the change in how we're looking at alternative medicine is that there are successes, is the successes that are driving this movement of acceptance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if it doesn't work, then it's not going to be accepted.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's shown over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've, you know, had, you know, seen many people say, oh, yeah, I'm a believer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a believer in acupuncture in Chinese medicine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, me personally, my own, my mother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when someone says, I did a post about TCM traditional Chinese medicine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And somebody commented on social media, I said, I can't believe you're talking about Chinese medicine because it's pseudoscience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can you as a medical doctor promote it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I just, I said, you are speaking from ignorance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just pure ignorance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know the,
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[SPEAKER_04]: thousands and thousands of research papers that have been done on all these therapies and showing even clinical studies, controlled clinical studies, showing the benefits.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, I'm my own mother that's in controversial.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm my own mother who was diagnosed with multiple myeloma when she was forty three years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was thirteen, I thought I was going to lose my mom, that she had maybe two years to live.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she lived in the hospital for six months, literally among all these cancer patients, there were about ten patients in the huge ward.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she was there for six months, six rounds of chemotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And her veins were all blackened and she was, she fainted multiple times during the chemotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then most of her, I guess, roommates and ward mates have they walked in and then they were carried out on a stretcher dead.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So she decided, this is not working.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm miserable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been six months, I'm out of here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So she left, where did she go?
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[SPEAKER_04]: She went to a Chinese medicine doctor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this doctor specialized in me, health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, there are different specialties in Chinese medicine too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he looked at her, you know, with, you know, the tongue and calls and looking at her constitution and gave her a prescription of
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know, twenty different herbs and probably animal parrots and and then me and my dad went to a Chinese medicine store and they, you know, put a pharmacy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, absolutely is a pharmacy is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so they put this concoction and then, you know, put them in little parcels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So each little paper bag contains all the herbs you need to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To the team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it puts whole
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[SPEAKER_04]: horrible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It tastes incredible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the worst, but the Chinese medicine, have the saying, you know, the best medicine is bitter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So they believe in this tasty horrible is probably really good for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's all she did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She drank this potion, warning a night, and then
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[SPEAKER_04]: did some aerobics in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Went out in the morning, went to the playground, did aerobics, and then drank this horrible thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing else changed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And within six months, all her markers went back to normal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She went back to work and lived for another thirty two beautiful years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's so shocking her progress because the doctor was like, how?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the doctor who's the chief doctor on the ward came to our house asking my mom, what did this Chinese medicine doctor give you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I need to bring this back to my ward to give it to my patients.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's like an illustration of East West integration, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting thing that is it's specific.
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[SPEAKER_02]: just for her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like that's true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he was still here in the Western medicine mentality, thinking, well, this one brews.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody, but everybody should get their own brews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've done it and it has done miracles for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, miracles for me and even with the accent.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What kind of
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what kind of miracles has you're talking about Chinese medicine?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the herbs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've done it myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did it help you before?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The most recent one is when I fell and I damaged my shoulder and tore everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had fractured three bones in my face and I had awful scarring and bruising and obviously I was being watched by a Maxwell facial surgeon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to ensure that the bones weren't displaced and I would need surgery and they did not displace it was perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to at my Chinese herbalist and she read the tongue, she read, she took the pulse, everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I took the herbs and the Maxwell facial surgeon could not believe that he would call it runaway healing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would go in every two weeks and his staff would see in the beginning it was weekly, his staff would look at me and say, how in God's greener that you feel so quickly swelling went down the bruising went down that fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was gonna post all of that on my website, but I think it was pretty graphics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So at the time, did you also use stem cell therapy for healing on your face?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had my stem cells, I didn't I'd be push.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we did exosomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was miraculous as well, because that included in combination with PRP and ozone at that time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And an hour, exactly an hour was at a red light on my way to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent facial surgeons check up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like my skin when you go to get no vacay for the dentist and it starts coming back at tingles an hour later I felt it and I told him and we talked about that for a little while very fast within an hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that I was healed in an hour, but I can think you are happening and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sixty minutes after that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard that from my patients as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, I have seen people swelling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's visible, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, swelling go down within thirty minutes of a stem cell infusion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember the patient came in like she couldn't make a fist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She had room to her arthritis.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And during the infusion, that's really within twenty minutes or so after infusion, she made a fist and started crying because that hasn't happened for, you know, two months.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it can be very fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when my patients see that story or hear the story and I talk about it, I just have to be careful because we are not all the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't heal the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't respond the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a quick healer, quick responder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very uninflating.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You probably have improved or optimized your system to the point where your regeneration is always ready.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people's
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[SPEAKER_04]: reach out to potentials are stagnating because they put junk in their body.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not moving their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So things are just not ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes time and they say also exercise and because I'm an amateur bodybuilder when you tear and build and tear and build the body gets that message.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's time to build this back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what one physician had told me in the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that could be it as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We still get great results in the office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just have to be careful not to promise the results that I get and as quickly as I get them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of my patients do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of it we were talking before filming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's what's between the years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want it to happen and you're willing to work with it, it's an innate process.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you have treated a lot of patients.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you seen people's mentality affect their results?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as we were sharing earlier, just for instance, a musculoskeletal condition like a shoulder issue or knee issue and someone's poses in my reception area and maybe the wife will say, now I want you to see my husband and take care of him and fix that shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the first thing none of his mouth is nothing you can do with my shoulder because there's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it is what it is and it's going to be this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already made his mind up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I were to do anything regenerative, any stem cells, ozone, even if I did acupuncture, I'm not sure we're going to get the right results.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get results, but not to the level that maybe I would expect for that patient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And are they even expecting results?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because some people just have to be sick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just have to have a condition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's who they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I want that perfect patient to want to get better, to want to respond.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just don't have time for the trips to the doctor, the trips to the pharmacy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the pills, the side effects, the downtime after the surgery, et cetera, that is, you know, those the patients who don't want to deal with that is a perfect patient for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's absolutely their attitude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you've seen on average, people who have a positive attitude believing that they're going to get helped.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have better results.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm parents of people with negative attitude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're so excited about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have patients who walk in and they start
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[SPEAKER_02]: wearing their arms around and walking real quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the step I can take.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can sit up from a seated stand from a seated position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And my other patients, they'll jokingly say, do you pay them to say this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's happening a few of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then you, of course, we'll get the camera the phone out and start to video because they are so excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best part for me because as a physician, you know, sometimes you need to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We need to know and see, we can know their progress objectively, but when subjectively someone just
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[SPEAKER_02]: is over the moon and feeling so good, you see they're losing weight, their skin is clearing up, they feel terrific, and their personalities are so much more open.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the light bulb going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of my favorite parts of practice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's what keeps up going, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The inspiration and excitement in our patients.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The letters and the testimonials and I know we all do it for social media now and for promotion of our practice, but it's really in my heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are days that I'll just see that and say, oh, I forgot how great she did on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if patients who stay in touch with me, one woman is actually traveling around the world right now and put me on to one of those
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[SPEAKER_02]: social media profiles where I can follow her and she can share her results or not her results but her activities with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's someone who's brought me into her life because I gave her the ability to use her hands again in her knee and what she can do with her family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are really cool things that we do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you also share your own healing story, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So one of the remarkable stories is you're the healing of your shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The reason is remarkable was because you actually completely tore your tendons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the sub scapula with retraction complete there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the sub scapula is underneath was partial tear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are three of the four rotator cuff muscles.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So right away after injury, you got your MRI.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it showed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then what did you do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first thing I did was they wanted the physician I had consulted with, wanted me to go to Chicago, from Scottsdale, go to Chicago, Rush Presbyterian Hospital, and have it replaced by a specialist who specializes in difficult cases because I'm also a chiropractic physician and I need my shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't an option for me to not use this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, it was an option to replace the tendon to replace the whole shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to hold the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My MRI went on for two pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those were just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are number one, two, three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They want to take your body part out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's an amputation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then patients don't really understand that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They, you know, you can't get a shoulder replace, try it out for six months and put the other parts back in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just, and they don't think that through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they, they're sowing bone and it's gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That thing is gone or those bones are gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're joint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when they put that new shoulder in, I work with people after they've had surgeries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen them in the gym, I've seen them in my practice, I've seen some go very well and I've seen some go not well at all, failed surgeries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the downtime and all the things that they have to go through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I saw that in my mind, immediately I said, gosh, I don't want to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do stem cells here, I want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I consulted a friend of mine, a colleague who's a researcher, and I asked him, I said, please be honest with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I wasting my money?
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[SPEAKER_02]: By purchasing product, having it done, and then still having to go to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, no, try it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If for some reason it doesn't, and you're not comfortable with the results, then go to Chicago and have it done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Use it as plan B. Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did that and never went to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had my first injection about maybe four weeks or three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry about three weeks after the injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I ball and running is what happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hit the curb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was horrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I broke my sinus, my orbital and my temporal bones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty damaging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was rough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I didn't have any retinal tears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, the universe was watching up for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I did more than I would have for the average patient because this was not an average condition or situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I initially went in with Wharton's jelly and exosomes and then you did an IV infusion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did an IV first of the exosomes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did that on the same day as an ozone injection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I never did injection into the face.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you're injecting to the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We injected the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that first IV was the initial thing that we did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did an IV push.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, but my nurse practitioner did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the one you felt the tingling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, within sixty minutes and I was sharing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was at a red light on my way to the Maxwell facial surgeon to he was watching me weekly in the beginning and then every two weeks to watch those bones and make sure I didn't need some sort of facial surgery and I did not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the tingling and I tell patients that it's like when you go to the dentist and you've had no decay and it starts to come back and you have that tingle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That happened exactly an hour after my IV.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Working out the nerve end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was beautiful and I was so excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize how numb everything was until things started coming back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because I had other worries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had the face to worry about the shoulder to worry about my patients, my practice, though there were a lot of things going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, an hour after those exosomes went in, it was just miraculous because it just brought that information down so quickly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you do the ozone at the same time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you put them ozone your shoulder?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I protocol is to do stem cells first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to say stem cells for the regenerative products.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we do three separate injections.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a shoulder, knee, whatever we're treating of ozone and PRP.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The patients PRP.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then in two months, we kind of ride that healing wave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do the stem cells again and exosomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a total of five injections over two month period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what you did?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I did it a little quicker because I had to, I didn't have time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had the time, I had the effort, the energy, the brain, and the time for this to be down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had not gone back to upper body gym until, see my first injections were in early June, late May.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then to early June, the second round of stem cells was in July.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And normally I would have waited the two months, but my body told me I was ready.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted more, and I said, okay, let's go in more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ordered them, got them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you did the ozone first, but you also did stem cells first, first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, stem cells and with the exosomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then PRP and ozone, three, and then my body wanted, and there's not wait the two months, and I went in with the second injection of Wharton's jelly and exosomes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So first time you just use a PRP injection, second time you use stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, stem cells PRP and then stem cells again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we separate them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never put PRP with the stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a different time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have different approach than mine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, so when I wanted that and I felt good, but then in August, and every once in a while, I'd have the internet's practitioner put the ozone in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, and I had some PRP.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't as
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[SPEAKER_02]: necessary in my mind because I was following my intuition on this one and what I needed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So by August, I did the third stem cell and exosome injection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And after that, my body said it was over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have any more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just two months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did three injections?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was three months and three instead of two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you when did you notice a difference?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was back in the gym doing up her body by August.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, late August, and I was swinging a golf club for two months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You went back to the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was swinging a golf club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they said that if I didn't get the shoulder replaced, I'd never swing a golf club again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I would have advice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not to swing a ball.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it felt good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was like, you know, that's what common mistake people make.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They feel so much better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the tissue is still healing is not the final product.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you couldn't help yourself and I was I mean, I was putting and shipping back on Labor Day, but by September fifteen, they said let's try this and there was no pain and that is always not indicative of of fulfilling and we know that so the average patient don't listen to that listen to your doctor
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just had that innate feeling to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I wasn't playing eighteen holes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't playing every week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that I could do it was miraculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then over time, over the months, I worked back into playing again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by the following March, I did another because the researcher, my colleague, he said, let's do the MRI.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was confident the bit couldn't believe we got the results we did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we got that MRI and it showed growth and it showed change.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that's a bit of a year later.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was just want to comment on the speed of healing when it comes to stem cells because one of our doctors actually got amazing help from stem cells and exosome infusion after a very traumatic
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[SPEAKER_04]: surgery of the face and the oracabity when she was excavated her her her her throat was kind of filet you know the the trachea so they ended up you know
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[SPEAKER_04]: Telling her that she probably wouldn't be able to swallow any solid food for five weeks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But after stem cells and ex-tomes within seven days, she was swallowing and eating normally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the speed, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's astounding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the inflammation that comes down on the signaling to the body to make the changes necessary is expedited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the one thing too I wanted to mention
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[SPEAKER_02]: today is that patients will come in and say, oh, I already had the surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've already had the surgery, whether it's shoulder knee, you know, muscular skeletal, whatever it might be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true because we can do it as you know as an adjunct to their healing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is miraculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it speeds things up and it makes things go properly and makes things happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The pre-unpost
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[SPEAKER_04]: surgery stem cell or whatever regenerative medicine therapies is just so powerful because I see it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's common and I'm sure you see that too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's shortens the healing time to about one third or at least half of what it would usually take, but
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[SPEAKER_04]: to one third of what we usually take, that's a common thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It just speed it up so much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not only that, your surgical site is going to be better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The scarring, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be less scarring, better tissue formation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so everything is going to be more complete.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The healing is you're going to just have better form to tissue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's not just discounted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you've already had surgery, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've worked with failed surgeries on shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a wonderful patient story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd gotten it done about September, one year, and he got the anchor by September.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the surgeon said you'll get ninety five percent of your motion back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like five percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We actually had two of those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this guy in particular has done so many videos because I run into him at some car events.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's wavering his shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we just grabbed the phone real quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's doing so much better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's a year out after getting the cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's playing drums again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this guy's about six to eight years old, I think, and just so active and feels so much better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the initial surgeon wouldn't even do another MRI after nine months after you got in surgery, he still had same level of pain and same decrease of range of motion he did before the surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was so frustrated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then he came to me, he knew me outside the practice, he said, please, can you help?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did it and he's over the moon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it can go for failed surgeries because that would constitute a fail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It failed surgery doesn't have to mean that it was bad and wrong and something was
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[SPEAKER_02]: or a mistake by the surgeon, it's just that the outcome didn't come out as promised or as expected, or maybe to not the same level or something else also, it could go wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get another condition altogether that you never had going into the surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I'm seeing more is just surgeries, it just didn't get the same results or the results that the patient wanted, and maybe they did the surgeon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So rather than going in and doing another surgery, which is usually the option from the surgeon,
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[SPEAKER_02]: these patients now have another alternative to come to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This, and then nice to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're still working and doing the things that they love to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they get their life back that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there's no downtime.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's just incredible about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I want to come back to your shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, torn tendons, complete, complete it with retraction, which if you ask any orthopedic surgeon, they will say, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If it's retracted,
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no chance that those two ends are coming together, but what happened to yours?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's not showing up in the MRI objectively, but it did in the seven month one, and it showed the growth in the changes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there's part partial reattachment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you'll see it in the report and it's just growth of the tenants so that they can see that it was this a certain measurement you know how they they measure was the same radiologists who read all three films as well, so that was nice and she's an expert and I'm known her since two thousand seven so
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was good to have that continuity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I even went to the third MRI at the same facility as I did the first one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got through everything that way and everything was more continuous anyhow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not that it says you have a perfect shoulder again objectively, which is what the report says.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I know, subjectively, I'm doing things which is a great thing with stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fixing things that were broken or torn damaged way before my accident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for instance, I always bring up dips in the gym and the dip machine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I haven't been able to do those since twenty-eighteen because I have a degenerative shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a chiropractor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's an all saying it's not if we get bad shoulders and we have to lose our practice or our practicing it's when.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the beginning when I graduated thirty years ago, there was only one company who would write our disability insurance because of our shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have bad shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you put bodybuilding on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my MRI reports are all two pages long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just sharing the top four things out of about maybe eleven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number five after we're looking at number one, two, three and four from my accident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm able to do dips and I had a trainer in the gym.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was last December.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, dips.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, we haven't done those and we did the math, twenty eighteen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's fixing all stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm loving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when the patient comes in and they're pointing to that bicep tendon here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the injector will actually the physician or the nurse practitioner will pepper leftover with PRP or ozone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If there are leftover product with stem cells, not usually, but they'll put it somewhere else and buy the guide of the MRI, buy the guide of the patient's subjective findings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's fixing and signaling the body to fix better things they need as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the coolest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So did you, am I reading, became shorter, become shorter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the old stuff, well, no, because she mentioned everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had to say what was the same, which was not, yes, she tracked everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, but, yes, as far as I was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's objective improvement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the objective improvement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fit, the third one, not as much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Believe it's, it was strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seven months after, it showed more of the, of the improvement on the MRI than it did the, actually the year after.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's basically the improvements stabilized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And whatever the new tissue that's formed has gotten so strong that the body believed the healing it's is done, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: There was they didn't have to reattach more of the tissue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So functionally, you actually felt stronger a year after compared to seven months after, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: longer than before the accident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and that's what's so unique.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's my subjective how I feel and granted I haven't trained as heavy because it was almost a year of not doing the same lifting the same weights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My weights are almost back to where they were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of moves that I'll do or certain activities that just they're shut off and I don't know why that is like with cable crossovers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm having to build that back up a little more things are surprising me, but that and my how I practice and how I adjust
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't do really a high velocity low impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do a more of a decompression and pumping of the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I had to go to the left side of the table from the right and do that after the injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm back to how I was practicing for.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you mentioned the shoulder that got injured now is doing better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I never got injured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I realize how bad this one was until now I know how wonderful this one is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I'm going to pick up something heavy, if I have to lift something up over into a shelf, I'm using the right shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not stupid with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't press too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But here's something that my patients
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[SPEAKER_02]: also share with me and I had a gentleman come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Wednesday or Thursday and probably Wednesday and he said he's gotten both shoulders, both knees done because more he gets more he wants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His mom's come in, his mom's friend has come in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're great referring patients.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said he fell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other day, and he had some little gash on his head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He does doors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He installs doors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He repairs large doors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My doors and my acupuncture rooms are custom, four hundred and fifty pound doors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is what this guy does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he says they have to get on his side on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was unable to do that before the stem cells we put in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now he can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's one comes in wave in the shoulders around the video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, the one thing that he loves to hear, and this is what I do to the love to feel is that when you do re-under something, it used to take maybe, oh, no, what have I done?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is two weeks to get better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a nurse and I've got to treat it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a massage at whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you find out to the stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a little nervous thinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I re-injured something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I tore it off again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was an hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's ten minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now I got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what Dan said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I got up off that floor and he says, in a day, it was like it never happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said that never would have been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I wouldn't have probably been able to work for over a week or two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: See, he went back to closer to how he was as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because we endure ourselves all the time and look at the crazy things we've done, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I jumped off high fences and you know fall off trees bounce back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what we're trying to give to patients is the awakened potentials because we've got these new young cells that remembers how to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a great way of pointing it because I never put the connection of being like a child again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the first thing, and I will share with patients and people out there, is that it's just our human nature to think Western medicine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll ask me, when is this going to wear off?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, when is it going to stop?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you took that pill and it wore off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got a steroid injection and it wore off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you do these little re-injuries,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just heal so quickly and they don't hurt ten minutes later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can now take a breath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to put something back on my hot tub with my landscaper one day and I tweaked my shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What have I done?
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[SPEAKER_02]: At least to get over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get over it and it felt a little tweaky for maybe ten minutes and it was gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I now accept it myself because I'm still a patient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the big change that it's not a shot that you get that's gonna go away.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's really fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I tell people, hey, if you don't enter your shoulder again, you're done, you're fixed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, you will be aging, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're all going through the aging process.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one so far has escaped death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what are we dying?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because the system are all shutting down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to slow down that process, then you may want to do some upkeep.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and stem cell therapy has been shown to revert your body back to a younger state.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And in animal studies, extending lifespan by about thirty percent consistently in rats and mice and not just extending their lifespan, but health span.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They look better, better fur, their capabilities of being running around is better and their mental capabilities, the perfect size.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they don't even know what to expect exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then when they actually dissected,
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[SPEAKER_04]: the brain and muscles of these animals, they showed that everything, all the markers of aging, that everything that's supposed to be going either down or going up in the markers was reverted to the younger levels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's objective evidence that on the cellular level in the tissue is self that these are younger tissue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just powerful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we were just bringing it back to the younger tissue level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see it in their face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see it in their eyes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily that their age is looking younger, but there's what a view.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your joy is younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when a patient comes in and feels sorry because they're old and they're in pain and I'm so old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to allow that in our arms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to have that type of a patient turn around and feel so young and really have a different attitude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's nice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I want to mention about the MRI reading because it really illustrates a really good point because a lot of people are overreliant on MRI readings, including the doctors, but you don't treat imaging, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You treat the patient.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that you MRI, so you did two MRI readings
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[SPEAKER_04]: after your stem cell treatment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the first one showed great improvement, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that was not fully healed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the second one after treatment wasn't that different from the first one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But subjectively, you were actually doing better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You were, you feel more complete healing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So how do you explain to patients?
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[SPEAKER_04]: When the imaging is not showing that much difference, but boy, you feel great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly what you said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't treat the MRI, we treat the patient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to the patient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Surgeons out there, listen to the patient because there would have been many surgeons who would have even at that point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's replace the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they would have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I was doing well and I felt well and I could see it in the gym, you could see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on paper, so it's not on paper, but you know, in life, but didn't see it on paper, don't be so attached to the imaging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the radiologist told me that, you have just told me that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that is a physician to just step away from a minute and realize, what is my lifestyle?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is my life?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What am I doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what am I able to do now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what am I willing to give up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Surgery can go wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not every day on every patient and every surgeon, but every day there's someone going wrong, but what if?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if people can die on the table?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You may never use your solar again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are side effects that are all those pages that you sign.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And those are the informed consent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really read those, it's there and that's real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So are you willing
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[SPEAKER_02]: to do that when you're still to look at mine, it was fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would I put myself through that and open myself up to that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So try to trust yourself, try to trust your healing, trust the stem cell process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and there's one study I want people to be aware of because it's such an elegant study because these are for people who had taken a lot of steroid and they had bilateral need deterioration.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So then what do they do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They split the patient in half, so one knee, they did the surgery, knee replacement.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The other knee, they gave a stem in injection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So now you have the same patient, half is stem cells, half is knee surgery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's thirty knees, so thirty patient, that means thirty knees, I got surgery, and thirty knees got stem cell injections.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So out of the thirty knees that got surgery, six of them ended up having to have revision surgery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, when you have to go back in, to revise it, that means things can go well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have to make it better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have to cut the cut again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But out of the thirty knees that got stem cell injections, only one actually needed surgery in the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is after years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that just gives you, shows you
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[SPEAKER_04]: out of thirty knees that actually got cut and got a new part right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God amputated in the sense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It didn't really have to happen because you could have saved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You didn't have to change the whole.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in that surgeon's office, it did have to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I practice alternative medicine because I want to give them an alternative view.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And patients will come in and say, I talk to my surgeon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and he or she said, stem cells are not gonna help me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stem cells won't work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have been a chiropractic physician for thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is my life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People will come to me and say, excuse me, my medical doctor says chiropractic isn't good for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or I don't need this care, this treatment plan you put me on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need surgery, medication, injections, not stem cells, but steroids, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have been trained to tell them
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you get a second opinion, go to another specialist of that specialty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're looking for an eye surgery, you're not going to go to a podiatrist for a second opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to go to another eye surgeon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So please go to another stem cell facility, an integrated place, someplace that does regenerative medicine and let them tell you, yes or no, if that's a second opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The surgeon probably isn't as well-versed
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[SPEAKER_02]: The surgeon probably doesn't practice regenerative medicine and stem cells, and that's not their specialty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No more than I will tell you if you have to have a surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will give you my opinion as a chiropractic physician who saves people from surgery every day, but ultimately it's that surgeon's decision and your decision is to where you want to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But just go to another physician who does this for a living, it has for a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That just gives yourself the ability to make your own decision.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so in your practice, what kind of treatments have you seen that makes the biggest difference for patients?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your go-to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well for stem cells or just chiropractic and acupuncture all the different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the modalities that you're using.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say right off the bed is chiropractic physician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do cox technique and I'm one of only, I think right now there are three in the state of Arizona, the only one for thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what we're able to do with the pumping of the table, not the typical high velocity, high or low impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ballistic adjustment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can do those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been trained in them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is totally different, very scientific.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It decreases in traditional pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we want to release the pressure that's in there and relax that patient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we want to be able to decompress because they've been compressed and we're able to bring that disc matter actually, the gel back into the desk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I save people from surgery all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I work on failed surgeries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So chiropractorically, that's huge for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just after thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm finding my shift in practice to go more toward the regenerative and some of the other things with my acupuncture also with psoriasis migraines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What we're able to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So just a whole long one, so you were were you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: kind of decompressing the spine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a machine, are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's holding a table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on my website, on the home page, there's me doing a video of me doing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So your space is prone and we contact, I will contact the, as the spine is processed, the little bumpy parts of the spine for the people watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I hold that and the table, it only takes sixty millimeters of mercury to decompress a desk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't have to bring this table all the way to the floor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is not painful in most cases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very comfortable and it's nothing you can do in yoga or stretching or with regular chiropractic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're opening up that joint and we're actually and they didn't know this thirty years ago when I graduated but it's now been federally researched,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That the study's been done and it's a huge study and even the author of the study said it actually sucks the disk back in use that word and that's phenomenal and I had one patient who actually got another MRI we usually don't because we go over subjective findings
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[SPEAKER_02]: but she was seventy-one and we decompress yet an um bulge of L. five S. one same radiologist read a year later the bulge was gone and that would not have happened on its own this is a degenerative condition right so which was why I think the spine is particularly challenging because the physical aspects because if you have misalignment or this compression
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[SPEAKER_04]: that sometimes is very hard for it to release, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have something that mechanical, you have to respect, there's physics involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's lots of physics with this and it's intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know what I'm doing as far as feeling these surrounding tissue on you versus someone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and someone who's larger, someone who's a sports professional athlete, professional bodybuilders, they're all different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we have to know the body, we have to have an MRI, and then when I see the changes, and I feel the patient feels it feels great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's been for thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you said there are only three providers in Arizona, but that's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why only three?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's hard to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not something you take a weekend seminar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are three parts of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to usually go in different parts of the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not on a webinar and the tables are very expensive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They started around twenty thousand dollars now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So why would you not just use a four hundred dollar bench when you
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[SPEAKER_02]: have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a different lifestyle actually even for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have my tables.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I even have special people who have to work on those tables.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the repair guys calls in the Ferrari Kyra practice table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're really kind of the patients respond well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I've ever had someone not like the treatment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there what are you other favorite therapies?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, of course, acupuncture as I said, that is such a almost like a silent healer because it doesn't feel like there's much going on and patients don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you doing this in my ear when my problems over there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they don't understand all of it, but how do you explain that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maridians and they're just specific points and this is going to be for your cheer energy flow and they get over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes some are more painful as you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that means that's the point we really need, you know, and they over time, because I don't just do a one and done, so they usually get a course of care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And after a few visits, they'll get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I even have one patient, she's ADA, she's been coming to me probably seven or eight years now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she'll say, I'm not sure this is working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I keep getting it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course it's working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's walking without a cane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing that, you know, whatever we do, she's got more energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not napping as often.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she's almost afraid to admit it because on her medical doctor side, because she doesn't get her medical done in my practice, maybe she's hearing other things from other practitioners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she knows it's working deep down and it's all like matters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and meridians are so interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they were, yeah, of course, Western science is trying to dissect, to say, where's the energy channel?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that they're realizing that there are a flow of energies that are not anatomically, doesn't go along with anatomical structures.
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[SPEAKER_04]: hivers there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what I heard how the origins of these meridians came about was in ancient times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: People meditate, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: People say, you know, in a lot of traditional cultures, they go inward trying to understand the physical world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where are we at?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because they can't see it touch it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So then they go inside, they use their minds eye.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is all, you know, woo, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But one day, I believe medicine and spirituality will merge.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll realize it is one and all Western medicine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because Eastern's already there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, one day is all going to merge.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to find language, you know, between, because Western medicine, the problem is it doesn't have language for spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't know how to explain it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it can't verify.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't, it doesn't know how to do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're beginning to figure out, but it's maybe a different language.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It may require to update your instrument or your language.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right now, it's really hard to merge to, but in ancient times, when they go inward, they literally see whether mine's eye of these energy channels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the ancient Chinese have seen it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a saying, seeing is believing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if you see in your mind's eye, clearly staring in your face of all these energy channels, these meridians, then it's there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's how they, you know, started, I guess utilizing those channels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you were telling me in the beginning, they were using a blunt objects, objects in the Stone Age, and then a vacuum hunter has evolved throughout the ages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were trying to press on the actual points we're working and things would improve and function improved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's so deep in Chinese culture like if you have nausea, so there's a point that you press or if you are, I think yeah pregnancy nausea, I mean that's very common.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You just press on this particular point on your hand that nausea goes away and I've tried it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: not from pregnancy, but just from nausea.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Amazing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It works really well for a sea sickness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you get those little bracelets, that's acupuncture point.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And even when we were in high school, I remember having a Chinese medicine doctor or just practitioner who was
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[SPEAKER_04]: coming in and showing us all these points along the years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So your years, your hands, your feet has all the spots control all your organs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you find the spot is connected to all your organs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he was telling us what to press to help with our eyesight and I mean, just it's part of
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and it works because people see real results.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when people say pseudo signs, well, how do you contradict real results?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you just bury your head in a sand saying, well, it doesn't exist when it does exist?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The better attitude is to say, oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can that happen?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do we not know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can we try to explain this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you don't just deny reality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what happens to a lot of doctors.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They would rather just deny saying, no, it's not real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you change your attitude and have some curiosity?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's figure out why, why this could happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So don't just say, oh, that's end of one because I've seen that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's really, really disheartening because doctors, these are the healers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These are people's guides to health, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you close out of your mind,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you become a stuffy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, arrogant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then you can't guide people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then you could be leading them around the down around past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For example, I've seen the results of stem cell therapy, this intranazole treatment for dementia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And literally within a few months, I think it was just three, four months period.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A person has in neurology or psychiatry, one way of testing their mental capacity is to draw a clock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you draw the clock, you put your in, you know, the different hours and put the needle usually at patients who draw ten after ten.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I saw the before a clock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the patient, the mental patient, it was barely, it was not even round, it was strange shape and you can't see all the hours are like scooched to one side and the needle that you can't tell is a terrible clock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Within a few months after the stem cell treatment, now we got pretty round clock, now with the hours are in the right place and it's when you can't tell.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so when I showed it to the psychiatrist who worked in the famous
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[SPEAKER_04]: clinic for brain health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, look at this amazing thing that this is what you can introduce to your patients.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you do stem cell treatment, there's a chance for these severely demented patients to come back in their mental capacity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He looked at the clock and she's common was, oh yeah, but that's end of one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So N is the number to treat, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's the skews of not looking further is that, oh, this is just one case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to me, the first time I heard about how stem cells were helping this autistic kid, my response was what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: My goodness, how are you able to do that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can you put some stem cells into this autistic person's veins?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's making all these improvements where I can't, after years of therapy with this autistic kid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you know that I don't know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do these cells do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That previously I haven't been able to tap into.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the right response as a guide for people's health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that just, unfortunately, I see that a lot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you as a chiropractic physician, you've probably had faith, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pregnages.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One of a chiropractic doctor, I've interviewed actually here, is Dr. Ryan Manning, and we've had posts of him talking about the chiropractic care.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I could not believe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the kind of negative comments that we're surfacing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what where did this come from?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How are people?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why is there such animosity?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I can imagine you trying to provide care and how much negativity that you had to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have and like I said over thirty years and I still do today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're still out there and and I think I saw that podcast when I was explaining how chiropractic the actual industry had gone to the they took they took the AMA to court and we won and so no medical doctor can ever say chiropractic is not indicated
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless, of course, it's a fracture or they really is a contraindication, but you cannot tell a patient, do not go to a chiropractor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's really law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is still out there, not as prevalent as it had been over the years, but now I see it with regenerative medicine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just shifted all of my focus to I understand that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that there are people out there who are always not going to believe in something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I took the oath to be a physician was to keep healthy people healthy and to give them an alternative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And my article that I write in the newspaper is my health column, the other side of your health story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the patient comes in and they
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[SPEAKER_02]: have a shoulder problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've had an accident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had the MRI that I had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they say the surgeon wants me to get surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've had older women say they've been in a doctor's office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually a surgeon's office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Surgeon closes the chart and says there's nothing I can do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Only surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the woman or the band, whomever, it will say, I don't want surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing and they walk out of the room and the patients left crying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they going to do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where are they going to go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I give them another side, whether I'm writing about it in the paper, they're coming into my office where in my consult room, I show them, I do the similar situation like with chiropractic with informative video, information I have, models of the joints explain what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: other testimonial patients sharing they can even call my patients or they'll call them and share their story and it's a similar situation so I give them the other side then it's up to the patient to make up their mind they may walk out and say you know what I think the surgery will be okay or ninety nine point nine percent of the time pretty much a hundred they'll say
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to try this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've given them an alternative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they make up their mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't make them do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't force them into any decisions and let people think for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been a really exciting career because now it's stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is exciting and it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you been using stem cells for your practice?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, eighteen, um, twenty about eight years now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Eight years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what are some of the cases that stand out in your mind that that you were even surprised by the results?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another gentleman who, like my shoulder, bilateral shoulders, both of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just about like my shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I looked at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was seventy-eight years old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to take on my website for testimonial.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to have one more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a hunter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to go out hunting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is my last hunt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, this is it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And both shoulders were so bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not that he had more forms to fill out, but we really had a heart to heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His wife came into the room and I said, I'm not going to make promises not that we promise anything, but this is going to be a difficult case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably going to feel better, but you know, I had already gotten my results in seventy-eight versus what I've done in our histories are totally different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's on my website waving the arms around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't tell them to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He took his, he went on his hunt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe he got too out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And anybody who shoots knows that, and I'm sorry, we didn't shoot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a bone arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a bone arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That takes a lot of pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes a lot on the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was why he kind of said this will probably be the last one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a, I don't want to say it was a miracle, but it was a wonderful result that we got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he couldn't wait to do a testimonial for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a real big one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And another one on the opposite end because you don't have to be in your seventies or eighties or sixties or aging older.
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[SPEAKER_02]: degenerated joints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a seventeen year old girl come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a volleyball player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a junior in high school at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was June and it was a weird move that she did and she fractured one of her wrist bones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the loonate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what happened was she got an x-ray and they missed it, they missed the fracture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So by September, they, really, that was when she got the first MRI, they put her in a cast from September to December and then the surgeon did a surgery in December because nothing was getting better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he did a surgery and the second step was going to be to take one of her veins out of her forearm and put it into the wrist to increase vascularity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her mother said, no, Dr. Lisa will know what to do because I've treated so many people in their family with chiropractic and gut health and nutrition and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She says, I'm right for the paper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she knows me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's let's go see Dr. Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she brings her daughter in in March.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, what about stem cells?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we said, yeah, this is gonna be a great case for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we did, similar protocol to what I had, but as she didn't get anywhere near what I did because of my situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she got an IV guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She did not get IV.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She did get local injection of the stem cells and exosomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did the ozone and PRP, which really sets us out differently than others.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they'll do PRP and ozone, but not
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the order that we do and how we do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just works and I know my colleague who does the research says don't change your protocols and they work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we did that for her and she went back so that was over a two month period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She went back to the surgeon in
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say that was about two months later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She hadn't even gotten her second injection yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was, he said that she was sixty percent improved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then after the second one, this was three months after he had seen her, she was fully released to play volleyball and her life was better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at this point, now she was a freshman in college.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when she did the, she's a testimonial with her mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On my website, you'll see the two of them together at seventeen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to be seventy eighty sixty fifty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a young girl and the fact is that she had growth factors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's young enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't she heal and what the surgeon was saying, she had what was called soft bones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of that, but that's the only thing he could wrap his head around why his treatments weren't working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we did ours, he finally understood, okay, this is something different here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a hundred percent understanding, but it was good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bottom line is she's gotten her life back and she's playing volleyball and doing it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the stem cells have endogenic potentials can help form new blood vessels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he didn't have to transplant, you know, take a vessel somewhere else and put it there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just, it's not going to be as good as if your body is making his own, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because God is own plan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's following his own plan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's, you know, I love these stories because it really shows people
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[SPEAKER_04]: the path of healing, because people may trust their doctors' ideas so much and discounting their body's own abilities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just give them the boost, give the body a boost, and give it time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And just like they said to me, my colleague, if it doesn't work for whatever reason, use the surgery as plan B, not the stem cells as plan B. And every one of the patients that we have treated
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[SPEAKER_02]: who have had the surgery and it didn't work and got the stem cells have wished they had gotten the stem cells first but they didn't know about it and they weren't given that opportunity and no surgeon even gave them the other side of their health story to say why don't you go and consult with this type of a practitioner?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what's sad, but you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're still feeling better and the bottom line is the patients where they need to be now.
01:00:58.085 --> 01:01:02.626
[SPEAKER_04]: And what's interesting is, you know, a lot of people are trapped in the medical system because they're insurance.
01:01:02.706 --> 01:01:04.947
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, only pay for these doctors.
01:01:05.227 --> 01:01:11.508
[SPEAKER_04]: So they think, okay, I'm saving money by seeing this doctor and following the plan because insurance is covering it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if you have a surgery, you go all these downtime and possibly is causing future, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: side potential damages and that you have to address and you're not fully functioning.
01:01:25.583 --> 01:01:26.984
[SPEAKER_04]: How much is that costing you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, people and really how much is your cost that your house was worth money.
01:01:32.146 --> 01:01:36.028
[SPEAKER_02]: And your house, your quality of life down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen shoulder surgeries and they can't even move their arm back, let alone do dips in a gym, not everybody goes to the gym.
01:01:44.378 --> 01:01:50.124
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe you're stretching maybe you cook and you can't put the cinnamon back up into the spice cabinet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these are things you'll never do again and they just sort of take it and live with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: just trust more than just one surgeon's opinion, trust your body, go for more than one stem cell consultation until it resonates with you, think about it, meditate on it, whatever it takes, ask your friends, ask people, talk to people who've done it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, we're going to put all the positive cases.
01:02:17.654 --> 01:02:19.355
[SPEAKER_02]: We really don't get negative cases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they're not on that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So one of the things that stems out therapy, I mean, again, you know, when it comes to the reality, I mean, there's nowhere in the US that says stem cell therapy is illegal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And actually there are quite a few states that are saying stem cell therapy is absolutely legal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can practice here.
01:02:37.927 --> 01:02:46.191
[SPEAKER_04]: So in a lot of states is in a gray area, but the beauty of the treatment is the same thing as as ozone therapy peptide therapy or a lot of nutritional therapies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nowhere you're not going to find a law that says yes, you can practice this.
01:02:49.873 --> 01:02:53.195
[SPEAKER_04]: However, when you practice something, you better be sure it's safe.
01:02:53.695 --> 01:02:59.700
[SPEAKER_04]: You're you're hoping that it effective, but of course effectiveness seems to be only determined by the FDA.
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:04.483
[SPEAKER_04]: They can say whether or not something effective that's a whole other subject, but at least is safe, right?
01:03:04.503 --> 01:03:05.584
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not hurting your patients.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's a beauty of stem cell therapy that is so extraordinarily safe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Unless, of course, doctors can always make mistakes.
01:03:13.509 --> 01:03:14.909
[SPEAKER_04]: You're injecting the wrong place.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not putting the right things into the body.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's pretty simple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know you know that because you inject.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the injector, but I'm in the room and I see how it's done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that difficult.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they could screw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty simple and straightforward.
01:03:32.596 --> 01:03:36.318
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a lot more complex with the other things are getting on the medical side.
01:03:36.918 --> 01:03:42.281
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and how many hospital stories have you heard where they amputated the wrong leg, the wrong limb?
01:03:43.181 --> 01:03:45.342
[SPEAKER_02]: That was going in Rhode Island for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a hospital that were issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that because that's where I'm from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a pretty big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And people dying on tables and not coming back from surgery and the side effects from that.
01:03:56.488 --> 01:03:59.470
[SPEAKER_02]: And even had one patient, we counted the number of visits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had some sort of analogy to a medication prior to her getting a surgery in a very big teaching facility in our area over thirty visits before the surgery and then she had the surgery.
01:04:12.808 --> 01:04:16.133
[SPEAKER_02]: She couldn't drive for two weeks because she lived alone.
01:04:17.353 --> 01:04:18.894
[SPEAKER_02]: Then she couldn't get acupuncture.
01:04:19.174 --> 01:04:26.497
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was almost two months prior and two months after because it was a needle and they were afraid she could get some sort of infection.
01:04:26.897 --> 01:04:28.398
[SPEAKER_02]: So her acupuncture was gone.
01:04:28.938 --> 01:04:30.979
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything was upside down.
01:04:31.399 --> 01:04:35.581
[SPEAKER_02]: Then how many months and it was two months of physical therapy going to and from the physical therapist?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of that time, what did that cost her?
01:04:38.842 --> 01:04:40.142
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it was covered on Medicare.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the sad part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, look at yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote an article.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's there all on my website and it was about what is your time worth and is it really worth it to get surgery after?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't even remember the actual article title, but it's there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what you have to go through for all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: just trust it, do it, and think of yourself, and just because it's on insurance, or the FDA said so, may not be the best for you, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:05:10.250 --> 01:05:15.952
[SPEAKER_04]: I think people are still stuck on that everything that's being approved by the FDA is safe.
01:05:16.372 --> 01:05:23.914
[SPEAKER_04]: They certainly don't know the history of all the medications and all the medical devices that have been approved and how many horror stories.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, and that's not even, I mean, the current medical system really is unfortunate because you, I'm sure you've seen a statistic, medical errors is a third leading cause of death in this country.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And these are errors.
01:05:40.235 --> 01:05:45.799
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not counting the doctors who are doing what they're supposed to do, according to the protocol.
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.940
[SPEAKER_04]: And how many people actually die from that.
01:05:48.520 --> 01:05:50.021
[SPEAKER_04]: But those are not counted as eras.
01:05:50.642 --> 01:05:53.103
[SPEAKER_04]: Eras means that they're really just screwed up.
01:05:54.024 --> 01:05:56.005
[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't do follow the right protocol.
01:05:56.726 --> 01:05:57.386
[SPEAKER_04]: Something was wrong.
01:05:57.426 --> 01:06:00.128
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it's much higher.
01:06:00.188 --> 01:06:08.013
[SPEAKER_02]: And people aren't taught that or told that prior to the surgery, back surgery, I've been working with post surgery, pre-surgery for thirty years.
01:06:09.134 --> 01:06:12.997
[SPEAKER_02]: They were never told the numbers of what would be a fail surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That can go up to seventy-six percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've asked every single patient, were you told that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:06:19.263 --> 01:06:22.586
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure you weren't under half an anesthesia when you signed the paper?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:06:24.107 --> 01:06:34.837
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they would say they would have done it because they were in so much pain that their lives were almost over, that they would do anything to get the pain relieved, and then the pain wasn't relieved.
01:06:35.198 --> 01:06:36.819
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when it's a big problem.
01:06:37.220 --> 01:06:41.464
[SPEAKER_02]: But no one ever told them it was up to seventy-six percent of failed back surgeries.
01:06:42.164 --> 01:06:43.345
[SPEAKER_02]: I was never taught that in school.
01:06:43.926 --> 01:06:45.787
[SPEAKER_02]: So, what are you going to do?
01:06:46.128 --> 01:06:47.509
[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be like jumping out of the way.
01:06:47.529 --> 01:06:48.209
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:48.229 --> 01:06:48.770
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:48.790 --> 01:06:49.871
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:49.891 --> 01:06:50.852
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:50.892 --> 01:06:51.552
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:51.572 --> 01:06:52.413
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:52.433 --> 01:06:53.214
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:53.294 --> 01:06:53.974
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:53.994 --> 01:06:55.035
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:55.055 --> 01:06:55.676
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:55.696 --> 01:06:56.656
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:56.677 --> 01:06:57.417
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:57.457 --> 01:06:58.358
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was an average number.
01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:00.861
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not two percent.
01:07:01.241 --> 01:07:04.025
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not one percent up to seventy-six percent.
01:07:04.305 --> 01:07:05.867
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're talking, those are failures.
01:07:06.408 --> 01:07:07.569
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe those aren't even errors.
01:07:08.170 --> 01:07:08.610
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
01:07:09.191 --> 01:07:15.338
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if it was segregated that way because I was writing the article and I didn't even give you that deep to it.
01:07:15.939 --> 01:07:22.162
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just open your eyes and just because it's not on insurance, yes, there is an expense involved.
01:07:22.742 --> 01:07:31.747
[SPEAKER_02]: None of it is on insurance unless maybe Medicare will cover the nurse practitioners exam on you and your MRI, your imaging, that's it.
01:07:31.807 --> 01:07:34.428
[SPEAKER_02]: But otherwise, it's not going to be covered in that's okay.
01:07:34.468 --> 01:07:36.769
[SPEAKER_02]: Just know and get your lives back.
01:07:38.110 --> 01:07:49.022
[SPEAKER_02]: And start to heal remember the other things that were diminished before the actual arthritis or whatever or the tear or the accident, let the other things heal as well.
01:07:49.062 --> 01:07:49.843
[SPEAKER_02]: It just works on this.
01:07:49.863 --> 01:07:59.293
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think surgery is definitely one of the shining spots, you know, for restroom medicine that we can go in cut and actually
01:07:59.913 --> 01:08:00.774
[SPEAKER_04]: make things better.
01:08:01.014 --> 01:08:03.014
[SPEAKER_04]: So that is, it's an amazing thing.
01:08:03.054 --> 01:08:05.955
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always nice to know that we are good at it.
01:08:06.216 --> 01:08:10.877
[SPEAKER_04]: We can do it, but comparing to what the body can do on its own,
01:08:13.777 --> 01:08:22.943
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that is statistics, but possibly eighty percent of surgeries could have been avoided if you just allow the body give the body the right tools to heal.
01:08:23.383 --> 01:08:26.765
[SPEAKER_04]: So there are definitely cases where you have to put the pieces back together.
01:08:27.166 --> 01:08:30.688
[SPEAKER_04]: And thank God that we have these surgeons that knows how to do it.
01:08:30.708 --> 01:08:31.408
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's wonderful.
01:08:31.428 --> 01:08:34.070
[SPEAKER_04]: It's wonderful to know that we have these amazing surgeons.
01:08:34.210 --> 01:08:34.811
[SPEAKER_04]: It's needed.
01:08:34.931 --> 01:08:35.571
[SPEAKER_02]: It is there.
01:08:35.971 --> 01:08:38.653
[SPEAKER_02]: But in many, many cases, we just said, including mine.
01:08:39.233 --> 01:08:41.974
[SPEAKER_02]: it was an option, right?
01:08:42.074 --> 01:08:45.456
[SPEAKER_04]: You were told in no uncertain terms that you need that.
01:08:45.536 --> 01:08:50.337
[SPEAKER_04]: And our mutual friend, Jeff Thurston, was told by two orthopedic surgeons.
01:08:50.677 --> 01:08:53.979
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, with your knees, absolutely, bilateral knee replacement.
01:08:54.339 --> 01:08:56.640
[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, you told me, well, I don't want it.
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:57.680
[SPEAKER_04]: So what can you do?
01:08:57.720 --> 01:08:59.381
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want artificial knees.
01:08:59.701 --> 01:09:03.302
[SPEAKER_04]: So all I did when I viewed fusion, sometimes I was in each knee.
01:09:03.802 --> 01:09:05.003
[SPEAKER_04]: This is ten years later.
01:09:05.023 --> 01:09:07.044
[SPEAKER_04]: He's seventy nine years old.
01:09:07.224 --> 01:09:07.444
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
01:09:08.184 --> 01:09:10.285
[SPEAKER_04]: doing amazing rating about those.
01:09:10.325 --> 01:09:23.630
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he didn't need it at all, but when two separate orthopedic surgeons told him, absolutely, he's bone on bone, you have no other hope and same thing with my other patients, you know, plant our plate injury.
01:09:24.190 --> 01:09:26.252
[SPEAKER_04]: by three different podiatrists.
01:09:26.432 --> 01:09:27.393
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, uni surgery.
01:09:28.373 --> 01:09:29.354
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to do it.
01:09:29.674 --> 01:09:30.815
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's do it.
01:09:30.875 --> 01:09:32.576
[SPEAKER_04]: I all I did was IV infusion.
01:09:32.636 --> 01:09:40.442
[SPEAKER_04]: I did use some ultrasound, therapeutic ultrasound, and bottom of the foot, and the plantar plate healed up within three months didn't iron man.
01:09:41.354 --> 01:09:41.695
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
01:09:41.815 --> 01:09:43.718
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is a great story.
01:09:43.858 --> 01:09:44.158
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:09:44.398 --> 01:09:45.760
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's that shows you.
01:09:46.001 --> 01:09:49.466
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you listen to the doctors, then you think you only have one option.
01:09:50.207 --> 01:09:55.895
[SPEAKER_04]: When you could have saved yourself, not only you have no downtime, you could have had better results.
01:09:56.516 --> 01:09:57.197
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah.
01:09:59.299 --> 01:10:00.400
[SPEAKER_04]: I think people deserve to know.
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:02.442
[SPEAKER_02]: That's absolutely true.
01:10:02.582 --> 01:10:09.789
[SPEAKER_02]: And just go within, ask your friends, come to me, go to my website, go to your website, do your research.
01:10:09.989 --> 01:10:11.811
[SPEAKER_02]: There are other sites to every story.
01:10:12.411 --> 01:10:16.956
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you do it and it works and you talk to people that's worked with, it's fun.
01:10:17.196 --> 01:10:17.556
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:18.057 --> 01:10:20.179
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Dr. Lisa, how do people find you?
01:10:20.999 --> 01:10:24.541
[SPEAKER_02]: They can find me on my website, which is caringpainrelief.com.
01:10:24.941 --> 01:10:29.522
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're right now in process of moving it over to more of a generative medicine.
01:10:29.923 --> 01:10:30.823
[SPEAKER_02]: That's happening now.
01:10:31.503 --> 01:10:38.486
[SPEAKER_02]: My phone number at the office is four eight oh five eight four three nine five five and leave messages getting touched with us.
01:10:38.526 --> 01:10:39.126
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get back.
01:10:39.466 --> 01:10:41.567
[SPEAKER_02]: I always offer a complimentary consultation.
01:10:41.927 --> 01:10:53.634
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't live an hour within an hour of the practice, medical tourism is very popular and I know patients come to me for the decompression that I do for the Cox technique, but you can come, Scott still is a beautiful destination.
01:10:53.934 --> 01:10:54.575
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go off.
01:10:55.155 --> 01:11:03.500
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do a lot of things and you can come to the office and from any place, as long as you can get on a plane and fly to Scott's still, we'll be more than happy to see.
01:11:03.580 --> 01:11:04.880
[SPEAKER_02]: How many sessions does it take?
01:11:04.921 --> 01:11:05.501
[SPEAKER_02]: How many days?
01:11:05.821 --> 01:11:16.884
[SPEAKER_02]: For me for two months, which you wouldn't spend two months in Arizona, but if we can get you with all of the injections, those can be done within a week, maybe a week and a half.
01:11:17.380 --> 01:11:20.702
[SPEAKER_02]: depending on my physician's time to do that.
01:11:20.722 --> 01:11:26.245
[SPEAKER_02]: But the decompression, over the decompression, that's a thirty to forty visits for some people depending.
01:11:26.446 --> 01:11:27.926
[SPEAKER_02]: Depends on the severity of their condition.
01:11:27.947 --> 01:11:28.127
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:11:28.227 --> 01:11:29.267
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe twenty.
01:11:29.427 --> 01:11:30.648
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all, it's not cookie cutter.
01:11:30.708 --> 01:11:31.269
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
01:11:31.309 --> 01:11:35.931
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll spend time and if that happens, I've spent a whole month and they've come every day for a month.
01:11:36.051 --> 01:11:36.272
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
01:11:36.372 --> 01:11:43.076
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they've got a place to stay or someone they know or they'll rent something and this is how it works.
01:11:43.136 --> 01:11:43.456
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
01:11:43.596 --> 01:11:44.857
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they can go back home and
01:11:45.257 --> 01:11:47.058
[SPEAKER_02]: They're in better shape to doing what they need to do.
01:11:47.278 --> 01:11:47.799
[SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful.
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:48.579
[SPEAKER_04]: Lovely.
01:11:48.679 --> 01:11:49.559
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much.
01:11:49.580 --> 01:11:50.740
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
01:11:50.900 --> 01:11:52.501
[SPEAKER_04]: It's such an enjoyable conversation.
01:11:52.541 --> 01:11:57.344
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for sharing your experience and congratulations and your wonderful healing capabilities.
01:11:58.464 --> 01:11:59.225
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much.
01:11:59.285 --> 01:12:00.426
[SPEAKER_04]: And thank you for inviting me.
01:12:00.446 --> 01:12:01.766
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
01:12:01.826 --> 01:12:02.147
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.