In the Aftermath of Evil | Interview with Bob Cranmer | Podcast

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a link. I want to thank you for being part
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of my audience and I think you are all wonderful. Hi,
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how's everybody doing good? I hope everything is good here.
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Same thing. Like I say many times, doll is underrated,
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doll is good. Believe me, there's times when you're like, man,
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I would give anything to have just a few dull days.
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But yeah, everything is good over here. I know people
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ask me, how are the chickens, how are the keats? Well,
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for those who don't know what that is, a keat
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is a guinea chick. And last week I mentioned that
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I've got some in I had some eggs. I'm telling
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you things that we do for these animals. I basically
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climbed up a ten foot burn pile having on the
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property because this is where this guinea decided to lay
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egg And I noticed she was up there, and I said,
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you know what, these chicks they're they're they're gonna fall
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and they're gonna We're not gonna So I scrattled it
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and I got the eggs and I put them in
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an incubator and I'm down to three eggs. Everything else
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is hatched, and I've got them. You know, so I'm
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running around with that, which is good. The pigeons are
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doing good. The chicks are doing I told you, I
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got my my dozen. I saw there was a run
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of baby chicks with everybody. It's like, okay, so all right,
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you know so. But besides that, like I said, everything
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is uh the good. And last week, you know what
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I said, Look, instead of doing the Progressive Insurance uh
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weather report, I said, you know what, let me let
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me talk a little bit maybe about some recent unusual
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of not unusual, but weird stories that are out there,
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you know, as far as that's what you will call it.
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Let me see if I can find it here, this story,
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and I want to show it to you guys, because
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you know, I've always talked about the UFO things, you know,
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like UFOs real or not real, and this this is
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out of I haven't I've read a little bit lightly
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over the story, but basically it's the headline is the
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Pentagon fabricated wild UFO evidence for decades, And it's like,
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why am I not surprised? Okay, it turns out this
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is like I'm gonna summarize this real quick. For decades,
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the Pentagon pushed fake UFO story, and now we know
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why it was all smoke screen, not to protect the public,
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but to protect their own classified systems. And you know
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what another shows that you know, the subject matter has
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been UFOs and extraterrestrials and blah blah blah blah blah.
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And I always, you know, made a comment about, you
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know what, what if all this stuff about the UFOs
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and you know, even the starting with the I'm not
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even gonna go as far back as ancient DAILI And
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so I'm just gonna go maybe back to the crash
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at Roswell. You know, there was always the debate whether
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it was true or whether it wasn't true, whether it
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was a weather balloon, blah blah blah blah, and Ilay said,
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you know, the conspiracy has always been that it was
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real and that was a big cover up. And I
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just wanted to bring that up because it's like, where
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does the truth lie? Okay, where does the truth lie?
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As far as this UFO extraterrestrial thing. Send of your
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comments on what you think is the truth? Is it accurate?
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Is it underreported? Is it overreported? Is it truthful? Do
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we have can we go the full Monty with like
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you know, like the X Files where they have the
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government has a hybrid treaty, you know, behind the scenes
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thing going on with eighties or not really? Or is
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it all made up? And maybe the UFOs are man made?
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You know, all these things that we see that people
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have seen for years, it's not really et in origin.
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It's man made, all right, which would be I don't
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know where does the truth lie? I think that after
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a while people kind of lose like, how's this? I'm
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not much of a cynic, but unfortunately this, especially this topic,
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has made me kind of a cynic as to where
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exactly the truth lies with that and in and and
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this is or but but you know how they always
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say there's always a button there somewhere. Where is the
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truth lie? What do how's this? Do you trust? If
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now they came out and when I say they, I'm
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going to say government or whoever the department is or
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who knows what who as was in charge of this
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ever came out and said something said this is the truth.
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It's like I think people would be like, are you sure?
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You know? People nowadays are very at least me, I'm
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very like how's this? Very careful about when they say,
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this is the real version, unfortunately, and this is one
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of these things, this thing with the UFO, and god
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knows even when what was it back in November when
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we had these drones out there by New Jersey and
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everybody's wigging out, besays the Throne, or was these UFOs?
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I mean everybody, I mean everybody was like and even
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now you know, we're going into so much having to
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do with I don't want to say outer space but
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because that's a little bit out there, but like we're progressing,
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is like, how much of this is us? How much
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of is there such a thing as ets? Or no,
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ET's at all? I don't know. Put your comment, but anyway,
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let's get onto the good part, the good part. Who
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is the guest today on Stories of the Supernatural. This
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is the first time he's been here. His name is
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Robert or Bob Cranmer. He's a former officer in the
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US Army, served as Alleghany County Commissioner, and was instrumental
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in a major developmental plan for Pittsburgh. Is also the
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author of the book The Demon of Brownsville Road, a
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Pittsburgh family battle with evil in their home in nineteen
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eighty eight. Bob Kranmer and his family moved into three
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four zero six Brownsville Road, Pennsylvania, semed faded to own
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the house. As a young boy, Bob had been drawn
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to the property, and just when the family decided to
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move back to Brentwood, it went up for sale. Without
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a second thought, they purchased the house they had always
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dreamed of owning. Almost immediately, a series of strange things happened,
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Furniture moving by itself, mysterious footsteps and knocking in the night,
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and then the appearance of a terrifying, hooded, grim reaper
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like figure. Before too long, it was said that a
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demon had a grip on the house and all who
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resided in it. In the end, the happenings reached such
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a peak that an exorcist was invited to the haunted property. Ultimately, however,
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only years of battle and endurance of some of the
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most horrific paranormal activity ever reported would shake the haunting.
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But soon the family began experiencing strange phenomena. Objects moving
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on their own, ghostly on their own, ghostly footsteps, unsettling
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moaning sounds that gradually increased in violence, escalating to physical
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assaults and most disturbingly bleeding walls. Bob and his family,
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which at that time his wife and their four children,
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were under attack from a malicious demon that was conjuring
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up terrifying manifestations to destroy their tight knit household. They
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had two choices leave or draw on their own waving
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faith to exercise the malicious fiend who haunted their home.
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Bob Cranmer recounts the hiring two story, the evil presence
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that tormented his family, and the epic spiritual war he
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fought to save everything he held dear for where a
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decade the house has been exercised as both peaceful and
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clear of the demon. And now you can stay in
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the house as it transformed richly historic B and B.
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Help me welcome him. How are you doing today, Bob?
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Who I just came from checking some folks in And
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it is a nice peaceful place to stay, okay, And
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you know one of the reasons I did transform it
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into a B and B. My life after publishing the
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book continued to have traumatic events and so on, and
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my wife and I eventually divorced and I ended up
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with possession of the house, such a large mini mansion
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with one person, so I transformed it into a bed
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and breakfast, primarily just to demonstrate because of its reputation,
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because of the book, that the house in fact is
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clean and peaceful and free of the paranormal now well
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at least free of the demonic, and so that it is.
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I've had hundreds and hundreds of people stay there and
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without any incidents. So that's the story. That's my life. Now.
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I couldn't help but be intrigued with your intro about UFOs.
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Yes, yeah, so I always take a look at that,
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but go ahead, yes.
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Yeah, if I if I. I mean, I've been invited
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several times to speak to move On conferences, move on
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the mutual paranormal or whatever it stands for people that
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follow UFOs and and and extra treasturals. And you know,
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my coming out of this experience, my coming out of
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what you just read and actually living with a supernatural
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being and interacting with it on a direct basis day
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in and day out, with one foot in the supernatural
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world and one foot in in the uh physical world.
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I came out of that with not a not a
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religious faith anymore. I came out of it with reality,
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so that everything that that said about the Devil and
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God and demons and angels and Jesus, and it's all true.
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I lived it, I experienced it. It's all true. So
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with that knowledge that I have, and people can read
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my book and I've done my best to describe that
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that revelation that I went through in coming to the
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understanding that it's all true, I look upon the UFO
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and extraterrestial debate, and I think there's three ways to
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look at it. Well. First of all, if these UFOs
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have been in fact observing us and interacting supposedly with
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mankind since ancient times, where why don't they do it? Now?
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Why don't they land? Why don't they show themselves? No,
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they don't do that. It's it's always this this fleeting
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vision of some craft or always something that can't be confirmed.
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And furthermore, if in fact they are some type of
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physical being, it is a physiological impossibility for any living
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being like a human or an extra trestural to travel
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the distances from distant galaxies with the time that's involved
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to arrive at Earth from anywhere in any amount of
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time that would accommodate life. So they're not landing, they're
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probably not here. Could they be people from the future,
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you know, some way mankind has evolved to a point
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or progressed to a point where they know how to
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go back in time, and yet they can't interact because
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they could change history if they interact. That's maybe a price,
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right right, that's as well. The most plausible is in
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the Bible. It says very clearly that the devil and
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his and its demons were cast out of heaven to
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the earth, and the devil Lucifer is the prince and
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the power of the air. And after the flood and
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after the interaction that demonics had with humans prior to
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the flood, they're not allowed to have the nect direct
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interaction with us, so they have to keep a distance.
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And I believe that that that the observable unexplainable UFO
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sightings all surround the demonic.
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Do you think when you say that, I'm glad you
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brought that up, Bob, because you know there's versions of
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the et theory, which is that they're inter or interdimensional
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as far as.
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Traveling, and then I dealt with interdemension, right, and then.
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You see people and even go because once I tell everybody,
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you know, once upon a time, UFO and et was
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over here. Paranormal and ghost or anything like that was
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over here where people are saying, no, these some of
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these ets are really demons or demonic and the and and.
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When when you when you listen to people that have
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had close up encounters, it always comes down to some
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type of demonic You you see that you hear of
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the symbols on the crafts, there's there's there's you know, pentagrams,
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or there's triangles, pyramids, it's all has some relation to
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the monk. And I believe that that the devil was
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the princes in the power of the air. That's what
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it is and what it does. It fuels people's dispolief
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in a supernatural god. It says, oh, we're just one
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of men eight thousands of of intergalactic civilizations throughout the
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universe and we're just one of many, and there's no
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God and that's all bologney, and they're here to visit us. No, no,
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we're it.
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You even get the version that we are the in
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other words, that the ones that engineeredn't you going along
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those lines of what you're saying, where you know it's
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that we're the product. In other words, we were made
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by the ets. You know, they engineered or tweaked us, yes, exactly,
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and where the and that's why they're stuck. And again
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that's kind of like and I agree with you. Like again,
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if we go back to this show Ancient Aliens, which
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supposedly they have all yeah, right, it's really funny with everybody.
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Everybody remembers him. It's because I was crazy here.
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You know.
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I understand some of the premise as far as the mysteries,
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but it's like, how long are you going to observe us?
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That's right, come on, do something? What do you want?
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Yeah, same thing the other the cattle mutilation.
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Stuff, Yeah, it's all demonic.
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It's you know that. I tell everybody, you know, this
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is a finite animal, all right, I mean, how many
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times are you going to need a cattle and dissected
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or whatever they they do because the blood drain all
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the blood or take out like they say, which coincidentally
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is the less desirable parts of the of the cattle,
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which is the utters, the the like the sexual organs,
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the tongue, you know, the stuff that's like if you
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have to sell that piece of cattle, that's the what
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you got left over. And then of course, you know,
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how many times do you need to do that?
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Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's demonic and all of
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this ancient alien stuff. Sure, it's ancient because the demons
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have been here since the beginning, and as the Bible
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points out, prior to the flood, they actually interacted with
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human beings. And I believe they're the ones who are
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responsible for the building of the pyramids and all types
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of things that are inexplicable. You know, one hundred pounds
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a one hundred million pounds rock edifice that's on top
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of some mountains somewhere. It's perfectly carved, you know, and
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they rolled it there on logs. No. No, no.
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As a matter of fact, I was looking up recently.
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It was searching an article. There's a site in Peru,
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very close to Machu Pichu, and they're saying this was
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this was built by they think the pre Incas. But
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basically these people did not have the wheel, they didn't
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have draft animals, they didn't have any of the things.
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Now they have pieces of stone built like a fortress
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that's closed. Kuskool was like their capital, and on this
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hilltype of all things, it's perched on a hilltop. They
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built a sports dress type of thing with some tunnels.
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But you could see the stones that were quarried were
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at least fifteen tons, okay, And somehow they and like
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you said, the way it's engineered and these stones are
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put together are perfectly. But they did that without the wheel,
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without draft down. The only thing they had out there
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are what they called the alpaca or the lamas. Those
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are they're not going to carry that. And then you think, okay,
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how did they do that with such precision that even
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now you go there in the ruins that you could
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see how well these things are neatly put together. Now,
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Wh's really interesting, Bob, along the lines of what you
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were saying, is that when the Spanish, you know, arrived
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there and they you know, they they conquered the Incas,
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blah blah blah blah. The missionaries there, the Catholic missionaries
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of Spanish, they built the church, well, it was a
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common and then became a church. On the foundations of that,
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they had what was called amongst that was called the
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Temple of the Sun. Right now, the Temple of the
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Sun was considered like the most important religious site for
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the Incas. And all of the the but they had
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dominion over yes, and they built their church and convent
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on the foundations of that temple, which, by the way,
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and I know this, you're mean, it's like among the
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you know, the incos were known for human sacrifice, including
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child sacrifices, all right, And it makes you wonder did
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they built that a religious you know, edifice on top
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of the old foundation, as in to suppress the evil
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let's go down that road, why not? You know, you know,
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as it being a place that was used for human
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sacrifice because they didn't sacrifice.
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It was not an uncommon thing the Greek. In Greece,
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the columns temples to the various Greek gods were converted
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into churches by yes.
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I know that, many many cathedrals even now.
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Exactly, and they have the pillars, they still have pillars
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going down like the center of the church to mimic
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because they would build below out beyond the pillars of
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the temple to make the churches larger, and so so
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yes they would.
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But getting back to what you were originally saying, this
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is pre how did they man how were they able
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to get these stones up there, you know, so perfectly
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like you were saying, you know.
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Well they couldn't do it today. It couldn't be done today.
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That's what.
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It could not be done today. The pyramids themselves could
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not be built yesterday.
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If you had the hollow stones way up. Besides that,
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you have to take them from wherever they were quarried
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over there, and then eventually, as your thing is going up,
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you're gonna have to take that up. I mean, I
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think that they took some of these engineers and they said,
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this is the only thing you got to work with.
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Yeah, they couldn't be built today. Those things couldn't be
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built today. Many of the temples, and I mean these
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giant stones that were quarried, it just couldn't be done,
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and in fact was who knows how long ago, tens
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of thousands, you know, thousands and thousands of years ago.
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It was done. And I believe that during the pre
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floods civilization where you had all of these obelests all
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over the world and different locations and so on, it
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was a very advanced civilization and it was from from
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from interaction between human beings and the supernatural.
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I mean, that's what's they're realizing that a lot of
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the the dates that they're giving as far as how
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far back mankind and ancient civilizations that that they're off.
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They and once it progressed and there was such integration
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between the supernatural beings and humans, God just said time
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to start over. Time to start over. And that's what
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I mean.
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And that's yeah, and I think that that a lot
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of But and in some cases it's really weird because
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you have all these like you said, these type of
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temples or big out of and they're in different continents
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that normally these people, as far as is known, never
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had contact among themselves.
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But the pyramids are everywhere. Pyramids are all over the world.
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Yes, yes they are. So they are.
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Yeah, ancient aliens A Georgio, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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It's all in the Bible.
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Let me tell you something. It's not that ancient aliens
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I think has I think it has had. I don't
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think it's STI running what twelve or thirteen seasons for
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so Yeah, a lot of people, I mean, some of
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the stuff that presented it was I liked it.
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But still it was like a number of a number
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of the individuals who are on agent e is the
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ones that invited me to come and speak at several
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of these conferences, and and and when I got up
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and I gave my little spiel, which I just did.
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I didn't know if they would boo me or you know,
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hiss at me, or.
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It's like, get up the stage, up the stage.
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I brought a box of my books, and before I
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walked back to the table, my wife said, They're all gone.
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Wow, there you go. See. Yeah, It's like, yeah, exactly exactly,
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because I think a lot of people out there in
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the UFO community, once upon a time, like you said,
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move on and everything was strictly scientific, and I know
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that move On did a lot of investigations and blah
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blah blah, or they took eye witness testimony of people
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that had so stuff. But now those things are crossing,
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you know, the paranormal or even demonic. And I told everybody,
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I'm sure you're familiar with Skinwalker Ranch, which out there
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in Utah and the Utah Basin. Supposedly that originally it
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was bought for basically because of UFO sidings. From what
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I understand was that that was the original intent of
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the study. But then later on they've had a book published.
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I believe It was by George Knapp and Calm Collor.
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I can't pronounce his last name correctly anyway, humph for Skinwalker,
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where they had paranormal experiences even when they went back home,
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pretty intense paranormal investigator experiences. I'm not talking about, oh,
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seeing wolf like things or cryptid like, very intense sightings
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for people that sometimes just worked that security and they
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would go back home, maybe hundreds of miles away, and
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they were starting to have extreme paranormal experiences, sightings inside
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their house, something that they called the hitchhiker effect.
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Oh yeah, yeah, Well I had that group come to
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my house, which is in my book, and really they're
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the groundbreaking group that really start the whole paranormal genre.
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The group from Penn State University. Yes, had the show
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Paranormal State. Yes, they were the first ones to have
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a kind of a ghost hunting television show. Well, they
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came to our house. They were in the book before
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they were famous when they were an organizational club at
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Penn State University. There were about ten of them that
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came to the house at the invitation of the diocese
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in Pittsburgh to basically validate all the crazy stuff that
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was happening in the house, and they came twice. And
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the leader of that group, his name's Ryan Buell, famous
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has a big following, went on to kind of great
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fame with that show. But his life really took a
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turn for the worst. And from personal conversations with him,
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and he and I are are kind of close. He
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points to his involvement at our house and really what
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he dealt with at our house.
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Yes, does as far as what as far as what
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happened to him in.
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His personal life, and it kind of stayed with him.
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Okay, I understand exactly what you mean.
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It stayed with him, and he would refer to it
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in his episodes that this thing was following him. Really
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and so whatever, I don't know.
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Let me ask you something when they went there, because
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I know sometimes groups will go to certain places and
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nothing happened, and like, wow, did when they went there?
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Did they have did they experience anything?
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Yeah? The only thing I can say is they up
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until that point, we were having a very difficult time
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understanding this thing, okay, And and they came kind of reckless,
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but they had spoken with a a kind of a
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paranormal I don't want to say medium a paranormal you know,
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a woman that's connected to understanding and being able to
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discern different paranormal activity. And she was from Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,
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and she was supposed to come with them on the
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first visit to our house, and it was all scheduled.
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She was gonna come, and as I said, about ten
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of them came from penn State. And at the last
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minute she said, I can't go there. It's just too dangerous.
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It's too dangerous, and I recommend that you not go
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there either, because it can have a lasting impact and
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do lasting damage to you. So she told us to Ryan, yeah,
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and his group yes, and they obviously, well we're going.
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We're gonna get anyway. So she said, well, when you
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do go, what you need to do is access the
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void at the center of the house. That's all they
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she said, you must access the void at the center
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of the house. So the first thing they asked me
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when they arrived was is there avoid at the center
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of the house, And I said, well, yes, there is,
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and yeah.
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Instead of being what are you talking about, huh.
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Once we accessed the void, which was basically the domain
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or the layer so to speak, of the demonic entity,
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all hell broke loose, All hell broke loose. After that,
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in the house, it just became panic.
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Even they left.
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When they left, yeah, when they left second time. And
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then the church told them, we don't want you to
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come back anymore because it's just too dangerous for you
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to be right, We don't want you to be involved
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with the battle against this thing. You did your job,
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you you you you document it right, what what's going on?
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That's all we want, Thank you very much. And then
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they went on to their great fame, but Ryan and
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paid a price for it.
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So, in other words, once they got that feedback from
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them who had never been there before, I guess the
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church said, Okay, there's got to be something there.
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And this is in any exorcism. Before before exorcisms take place,
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they'll have say a psychologist or yeah, a doctor or
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psychiatrist examined the person that is possessed to basically come
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00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.279
up with a conclusion, I don't know what's wrong with
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00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.799
this person. You know, it's not mental. This is some
482
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deep seated issues that I don't understand. And that's basically
483
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what they were doing. Because devons can possess objects, they
484
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.599
can possess places, localities and possess people. Well, in our case,
485
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they possess the locality, the area that the house was
486
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built on the land, the land.
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Yet okay, all right, And because I know that, yeah,
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they do sometimes send in teams because unfortunately, many, many
489
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.200
times some of these claims there really what is going
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on is mental illness on the part of the person.
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So I know they always want to discount that totally.
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And in some cases, I know you can have both.
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For example, I know doctor Richard Gallagher did it for
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many years for the Catholic Church to verify and in
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00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.039
the book that he wrote when he was getting into
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that that basically they were asking him, as a professional,
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can you please interview this person and verify that they're
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00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:39.039
not suffering from some type of mental illness. And he
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00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.039
described because I was I read his book where at
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00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.160
the very beginning he had a few experiences that were supernatural.
501
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.960
He had a hard time, you know, the scientists in
502
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:56.039
him coming to terms with Yeah, no, he like, you know,
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00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.200
he stayed there. He did it for twenty something years.
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I believe he's not doing anymore, but yeah, you could
505
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.519
tell you. He describes at the beginning he had a
506
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:08.279
really hard time coming to terms that the supernatural actually existed.
507
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:10.799
Well, what's what's the name of that movie that came
508
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.519
out a couple of years ago? And nefarious?
509
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:18.279
I think insidious? Insidious? I think which one is it?
510
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.920
It's the one where the reporter goes into a prison
511
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.119
to interview a possessed man. I think it's nefarious.
512
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.480
It might be ne farious. I'm sorry. Sometimes some of
513
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.440
these movie titles are like.
514
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.119
What Yeah, but it was amazing. It was amazing how
515
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.759
this thing would go back and forth, like the true
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00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.720
person in the body would come out for a certain
517
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period of time.
518
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.519
Yes, you're absolutely right. Yeah, it came out in twenty twenty.
519
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.000
Three, and then the demon would would oppress it again.
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00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.400
And you want me to tell you something? What movie
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00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.039
the I don't know if you ever saw any Exorcist
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the number three, which George C. Scott and it was
523
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:02.839
if you ever seen the number two, because you know
524
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.680
how when they do follow up some movies, it's like, man,
525
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.640
why did you do that? You just left the original
526
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.240
movie standalone. Number three in and of itself is an
527
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excellent because basically it's the same thing. George C. Scott
528
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:22.319
is a detective and he's investigating some murders going on,
529
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and who he goes to see in a psychiatric hospital
530
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:34.000
is father Damien from the original movie, who's being held
531
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in a psychiatric hospital. I'm not gonna tell you anymore.
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00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.799
And I don't know if at this point you would
533
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:41.599
ever want to see the movie. But it's it's a
534
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.480
same thing, people having a hard time when they find
535
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:53.920
themselves in that scenario actually accepting that this does exist
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in our world.
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00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.000
Yeah, well, I can attest to it. I can tell
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00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.480
you that, you know what I went through for several
539
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:08.760
years with the with the actual struggle in the battle
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in the house, and then the struggle I went through
541
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to write the book and get it published.
542
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Or really even writing the book.
543
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:18.960
You had a hard time, Oh yeah, just to get
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00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.360
through it and to get it published. And then after
545
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:29.760
the book was published, it was like outing the mob. Really,
546
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.320
my life, my my family, my family paid a price,
547
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:42.639
my marriage, you know, failed. It's been somewhat. I could
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00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.920
probably write another book just based upon my life since And.
549
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.119
You know what, now that you bring that Upot, let
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me ask you, since you've had these all these because
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00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:54.760
when you were going through it, what you were going
552
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.840
through it, But now that you can basically look back
553
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.039
at these experien instance, maybe starting from when you bought
554
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.920
the house, what would your advice be to anybody in
555
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.039
a similar situation.
556
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.199
Get away from it, Just get away from it. It's
557
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it's just it's it's just so powerful and so difficult
558
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:30.159
to deal with, and it can you know. At one
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point in my story, I call it the red pill
560
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:41.760
Blue pill decision, where a senior member of the staff
561
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.239
of the Dyces of Pittsburgh said to me, you have
562
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a choice to make. You can move and sell this
563
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house to some someone else and wish them the best
564
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and we'll we'll bless the house and so on, and
565
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you can you can move on like the folks who
566
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.199
sold it to us, did I was about to Yeah.
567
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.719
Or you can stay and we can fight this and
568
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.920
we'll fight it together. I'm not sure where it will go.
569
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.760
This is this is a powerful entity. So that's your decision.
570
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.519
So it's the red pillar or the blue pill. So
571
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.159
so I like what was his name in the in
572
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.960
the matrix Neo went down the rabbit hole. Yeah, I
573
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.760
chose to go down the rabbit hole. I made some mistakes.
574
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.519
My family paid a price for it. I've been criticized
575
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.519
highly for putting my family through this and not leaving.
576
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:50.039
But I believe that that the story is more than
577
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:54.840
a spooky ghost story or a spooky paranormal story. It
578
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.800
really points to the fact of the existence of good
579
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.960
and evil, the existence of God and the devil. And
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I've had many more than one people come to me
581
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.280
and say, listen, I didn't have any faith, I didn't
582
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:17.039
have any belief or understanding of anything religious or supernatural
583
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.760
until I read your book, and it really stopped me
584
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.119
in my tracks and made me think, because I do
585
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.559
now believe that there is so if that's the price
586
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.920
I had to pay to deliver that message, And I
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00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.760
think this book will live on long after I'm gone
588
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.400
because there is a message to it. It makes some people.
589
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.519
It either verifies what people already believe, it leads them
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00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.119
to believe the truth, or it makes them very angry.
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00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.360
And I've seen all of it come through reviews on
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00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:00.440
Amazon where I'm a great brave hero guy that faced
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off evil, or I'm a a no good rat. You know,
594
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.840
make up stories put my my children and family in
595
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:19.199
harm's way, egotistical. I mean, they'll write paragraph after paragraph
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about what a bad guy, I am.
597
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.840
Do you think that the people that sold you the
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house did they ever I don't know, because I imagine
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that if you have a conscience, like because basically this
600
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is what you just described, like if I stay here
601
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.280
or if I sell this is this going? Do you
602
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.000
think that they were ever bothered?
603
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.360
Oh, there's no question, and I detail that in my book. Okay,
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00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.239
you know when things started happening after we moved in
605
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the house, and we we initially thought, okay, we bought
606
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.880
a haunted house. We bought a house with a spirit.
607
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:56.199
But hopefully it's it's it's benevolent and you know, cast
608
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.400
for the ghost and we can live with it. There
609
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.840
are a lot of haunted houses and haunt at hotels
610
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.119
and things that people you know, ghosts or the spirits
611
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.159
of people that once lived. And if they're normal people,
612
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.400
you know it, right, there's something you live with. But
613
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:19.159
the demonic is something altogether different. So I called the guy.
614
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.519
A few months after we moved in, I found a
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00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.119
box buried out in the yard near one of the
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00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:33.920
corners of the property that had holy rosary beads and
617
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:38.119
a scapular and some Catholic items in it, and it
618
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.159
was not an old box. I could tell it had
619
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:45.639
been been placed there relatively recently. It was like a
620
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.960
metal shoecretes box. And I asked him, Hey, what's this
621
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.360
all about? He said, please just put it back. Put
622
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.840
it back where you found it, Bury it where you
623
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.920
found it. That's all I'll say. So Well, then years later,
624
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.519
after we had gone through everything, and I was trying
625
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.280
to document his, you know, historic facts about the house
626
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.280
and trying to find out and interview previous people who
627
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.800
had lived there and what they had experienced, and talking
628
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.119
to folks that knew about that, I called the owner
629
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.719
again and I said, hey, how you doing. You know, hey,
630
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.639
Bob blah blah, you know, talk to him for a while.
631
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:26.840
I did this to the house and that Hey, you
632
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.079
know what I said, I kind of would like to
633
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.599
get together with you if you wouldn't mine. Have a
634
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.400
cup of coffee, and you know, we'll meet down to
635
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.960
local restaurant, and you know, we've had some really interesting
636
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.360
things happened to us in this house over the past
637
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.440
few number of years, and I'd like to compare it
638
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.559
to what you may have experience.
639
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.719
I don't think he went to that meeting, and.
640
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:53.400
There was a silence, and he said, let me get
641
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.119
back to you. I never heard from him.
642
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:58.519
Are you still waiting for that phone call?
643
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:04.599
Right? Well? Interesting, interestingly enough, both he and his wife,
644
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:10.039
both of them died within six months of the book
645
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:11.920
being before the book was published.
646
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:14.039
Really why both of them?
647
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.079
Both of them died within six months of the book
648
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:23.719
being published, And I gave them a fictitious name in
649
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.599
the book, a last name that was fictitious. I did
650
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.199
talk about my asking him before I bought the house,
651
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.239
is there anything wrong with this house? And he said, oh, no,
652
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.360
there's nothing wrong with the house. You would have thought
653
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.800
he would have asked me to clarify what I meant
654
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.840
by wrong, But his response was, oh, we've had mass
655
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:48.119
in the living room. Who has mass in their living room?
656
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.480
Let me tell you something. I tell you this is
657
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.239
I'm going to tell you my own quick story here
658
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.760
because I used to the paranormal investigation since the nineties
659
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.199
for a really long time. One time we went to one.
660
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.400
This was in Florida. I've always lived in Florida and
661
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.719
we go to we go to an investigation. These people
662
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.679
are moving from their house, but they're moving up to
663
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.239
North or South Carolina, right, and they're concerned. They don't
664
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.480
want whatever was there to follow them, right, So I said, well,
665
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.559
what's what's the background on what happened with you guys?
666
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:20.719
And she they said that when they bought this house, okay,
667
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.960
when they move in, it was full of angels, angels inside,
668
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.599
angels outside, angel's angels, angels, angels everywhere. So they went
669
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.760
to the real estate agent and they said, hey, what's
670
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.599
up with all these angels? And they didn't take them
671
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.480
with them. You know, they have statues outside, statues inside.
672
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.400
And the realtor tells them. She goes, the family that
673
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.480
was here was they were I want to say, like
674
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.840
porn again Christians. I'm not sure exactly what denomination she says,
675
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.079
but she goes. On the on the day of the closing,
676
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.360
I came to pick them up, and she says, and
677
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.840
I'm Jewish and they made me go into a prayer
678
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.719
circle before they we left for the closing. So she says,
679
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.960
and that's the only thing. She says. He goes, I
680
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.760
went along with it because oh, that's okay with me,
681
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:11.480
And that was the real estate agent. Well, what it
682
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.920
was was what they did was basically it took it
683
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.679
from out inside the house to outside the house. Okay,
684
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.039
but that's how they kind of like found out, like
685
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.880
because they saw these angels. They she told me, the
686
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:26.760
girl told me. She goes, look there was angel little
687
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.280
angel statues all over the house. Inside, there was a
688
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.920
bunch of angel stuff outside in the yard everywhere. And
689
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.119
we're like thinking, like, why didn't they take these things
690
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.840
with them? It must have cost them, you know, some
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00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.159
type of money. And again when they asked the real
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00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.920
estate agent, the real estate agent tells them no, she goes,
693
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:45.880
we went they had to have this prayer. And they
694
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.920
pulled me in there and I was like, okay, sure,
695
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:48.920
and she couldn't.
696
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.800
The problems continued when the new people moved in.
697
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.039
Yes, yes they did.
698
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.480
It didn't welcome to my world? Right.
699
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.159
But again, you know, like exactly like when you just
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00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.960
described when you're asking this gentleman, is anything wrong and
701
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.199
he's telling you we had a mass, that's like what
702
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.920
an unusual answer? Okay, Well that's good. You know that's
703
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.079
instead of asking you what do you mean? I mean? No,
704
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.039
the roof is good and the plumbing is good.
705
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:12.199
What yeah, what do you mean?
706
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.480
He knew what I was right, right, right right exactly what.
707
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My wife said, this house is creepy. I don't like it.
708
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.480
I don't want to buy this house. This place is creepy.
709
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.719
And that's what led me to ask him that.
710
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.079
Okay, and and and which is, by the way, which
711
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.559
is what normal house buyers are. You know, hey, there's
712
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a plumbing good?
713
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:34.679
You know?
714
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.760
Is the roof leak? You know, that's what most people
715
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.280
when they is there anything.
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00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.880
Wrong with this house? Should say? Okay, well, what do
717
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you mean wrong?
718
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:43.039
Right?
719
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.880
No, right away? He said, no, no, no, We've had
720
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.960
masks in our in the living room twice.
721
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:55.719
I'd be like, and were they Catholic? Just out of curiosity? Okay,
722
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.079
all right, but still let's face it that that to
723
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:00.639
have a mouse in the your house.
724
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.360
Yeah, Masses, like I say, math is isn't something they
725
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.039
take on the road. No, no, no, no, no, Now
726
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.960
we had We ended up having Mass in almost every
727
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.639
room in the house because it was a weapon against evil. Sure,
728
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:18.119
the team of priests that that worked with us, we
729
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.840
would say the Rosary, we would say Mass. We would
730
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.440
be blessed in sense, you name it. We did it.
731
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.239
But I mean, just to have a priest come to
732
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.360
your house and say Mass, No, the church doesn't do.
733
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.280
That most more than mostly what people have them for houses.
734
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.519
It's like a house blessing. All moving into a house a.
735
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.559
House blessing, that's it. And we had a house blessing
736
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.840
when we moved in the house, which was interesting in
737
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.239
and of itself. Now again, the book is called The
738
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:49.800
Demon of Brownsville Road. Yes, and I really think and
739
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.440
I'm not a a ficion auto or a great interest
740
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.639
in in this, you know, demonic stuff, but I have
741
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.360
seen the movies. I seen movies. There's not a story
742
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:08.079
out there except maybe for the original Exorcist story, which
743
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.519
was based on a true story that compares to this,
744
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:18.239
and all the different components that go into it. Of
745
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:25.159
evil and the name of the demon we found out,
746
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.320
and the fact that there was a grizzly murder that
747
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.880
took place in the basically the front yard of the
748
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.199
house back in the seventeen hundreds, and the bodies are
749
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.840
buried right there in the front yard, and we discovered
750
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:39.199
all this.
751
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:42.679
See that's why I mentioned that, Bob, because see you,
752
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.280
I don't want to say if it's the benefit, but
753
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.840
you've lived there for so long, because you see a
754
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.800
lot of these movies, even stories or books are people
755
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.039
that live at a certain location, maybe a few months
756
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.039
or maybe even years. Well, weeks, yeah, a couple of Well,
757
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.199
let's go with the amitiville horror. Thirty days later they
758
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.599
were out of there. Yeah, yeah, even if you know,
759
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.400
whether you wanted to believe it was an actual haunting
760
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.360
or not. Thirty days later they're like, we're out of here.
761
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.840
Well, I mean I was up close and personal with
762
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:16.280
this thing. We would have contests of between each other.
763
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.880
I would talk to it, we communicate it. I mean,
764
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.760
I lived with this thing, and we battled back and
765
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.920
forth almost on a daily basis. After I learned how
766
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.920
I could make its existence in the house as miserable
767
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.199
as it was making hours and then it just became
768
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:45.280
a battle of wills. So I remember one time my
769
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.639
wife and I we spent the night in an old,
770
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.119
old hotel that went back to the seventeen hundreds, and
771
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.320
the staff left and they said, you're the only folks
772
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:57.920
here tonight. We have to tell you that this place
773
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:02.079
is haunted. He be like, all right, yeah, okay, I said,
774
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.880
you better tell the ghosts that I'm here. Yeah.
775
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.960
I know that mustn't have been like okay, all right, I.
776
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.800
Said, let them know that I'm here, maybe they'll leave
777
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:12.119
let me.
778
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.280
That must have been funny. It's like, yeah, all right, okay,
779
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.679
it's like it's like it's going to be a hard
780
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.119
thing to like from where I'm coming. Did you did
781
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.920
whatever was there? Did it ever follow you outside the
782
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.360
house as far as the premises or was it balanced me?
783
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.400
I'll tell you, well, the one thing I will say
784
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:39.920
is that my daughter lived in the house for a
785
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.920
time with her husband, and she had a newborn, a
786
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:53.599
small baby, okay, And one night we her husband walked
787
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.960
into the little nursery room to see this black figure
788
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:03.400
kind of looming over the baby's crib, okay, And that
789
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.840
really was one of the first things to kick off
790
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:11.039
the whole situation. Well, I moved when that happened. I
791
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.559
moved them out of the house. I rented a house
792
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:18.039
for them a few blocks away, and I moved her
793
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.119
and and the baby out of the house to this
794
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.920
rental property. And I'll tell you, for about a month
795
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.960
it followed them there. Really actually had to have the
796
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.840
priests that were fighting in our house go to her
797
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.039
house and bless her house. And it didn't stay with her,
798
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.280
but it did follow her there right.
799
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.480
The reason why I ask is that you know, everybody
800
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.320
always thinks typically of huntings as that it's this one
801
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.320
place and strictly and that this whatever is there, and
802
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.880
sometimes you know, you hear them become attached to people
803
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:58.400
or like like what you just described, where they're like the.
804
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.840
Difference between the the morning and ghosts. I think ghosts,
805
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.599
whatever ghosts are or whatever reason ghosts exists, and maybe
806
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:11.719
it's the Catholic doctrine of purgatory, right. People have to
807
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:16.000
stay in some particular place and time and situation for
808
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.639
a period of time before they move on, and it's
809
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.920
always usually associated with an event or a location or
810
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:32.559
something that they keep reliving. Whereas the demonic, you know,
811
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.079
they're just it's like dealing with an invisible person and
812
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.880
they'll follow you. And the danger of these ghost hunting
813
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.599
groups that take it as some type of an extracurricular activity,
814
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:48.440
a hobby.
815
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.039
So the space you.
816
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.599
Don't know what you're dealing with. You could be dealing
817
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:56.679
with a ghost of Aunt Martha who lost her son
818
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.599
and is looking for a you know whatever, or you're
819
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.320
dealing with a demon and those demons will hurt you
820
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.639
and they'll leave with you and follow you. And I
821
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:11.000
think that's why it's so dangerous for young children to
822
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:16.199
play with woodsiboards. Yes, they'll conjure up spirits with those
823
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.400
boards that will attach themselves to the people that are
824
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.039
playing what they feel is playing a game, and it'll
825
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:25.639
affect them for the rest of their lives.
826
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.559
Well, I tell everybody, whenever I would get a case
827
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.360
or I would hear that they say, oh, it's a
828
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.039
little kid, I'd be like, oh, I say, I'm very
829
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:41.920
very very careful. Anything that's described as a child, I said,
830
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:48.119
whatever is very manipulative. And because what does the most
831
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.960
human adults do when you say a child, everybody's guard
832
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.360
comes down. It's a little kid. Oh, oh my god,
833
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:58.960
Yeah it's a kid or a child, Oh my god. Okay,
834
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:04.239
poor thing. So whenever it was like nope, nope, that's
835
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:04.679
not good.
836
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.599
But it's like it's like it's like talking to someone
837
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.519
on the internet that you don't know who they are,
838
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.679
where they're at, you know exactly, and you.
839
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.199
Know what and even when you were talking about you know,
840
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.760
all these paranormal groups, including that you know that they
841
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.000
do some of the sometimes this provocation or confrontation. I
842
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.320
was like, you know, what I know. Sometimes some of
843
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.440
these shows they're a little bit over the top, you know,
844
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:30.719
and sometimes it's like but it's like, you know what
845
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.360
exactly what you just said, you really don't know, you know,
846
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:35.000
for all you know, Yeah, it might just be thin air.
847
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:35.960
Who cares?
848
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.519
Well if it's not that one gross hunter group, the
849
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.079
guys that yell and carry on and everything they had
850
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.760
that show approached me to come to.
851
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:52.679
Our really okay, no way, no way, canine.
852
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.239
What we went through to put a lid on this stuff.
853
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.800
I don't want you coming here and opening anything back
854
00:52:58.920 --> 00:52:59.320
up again.
855
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.559
So that would have been yes, no way in a
856
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:05.000
world yes.
857
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.440
As if anyone tries to come to that house and
858
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:12.079
you know, ghost hunters, can we come to your house
859
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:13.440
and search?
860
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.679
Like no, yeah, no, no, no, absolutely not. I can't imagine.
861
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.920
I don't blame you at all. I don't blame you
862
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.000
at all because people it's like, because it's like, you know,
863
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:28.519
a lot of times people don't understand that when they
864
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:34.199
do that provocation confrontation, basically you're inviting it. Yeah, the
865
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:35.159
lines of communication.
866
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.880
And that's why I mean I always made sure every
867
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.400
time I spoke to that thing, I always I would
868
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.199
I would talk very strongly and make demands of it.
869
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:55.519
But it always was was encompassed not in my authority,
870
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.639
but in the name of Jesus Christ. Exactly, in the
871
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.920
name of Jesus Christ, you are going to leave through
872
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:08.079
his power and his cross and his blood, not through
873
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.159
my determination. I'm just the vessel here that's being used, exactly.
874
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.079
So I always had to make sure that I would
875
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:17.639
preface my statements.
876
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:21.679
And now now that you mentioned that, getting back to
877
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.960
what we were originally talking about, some people say, hey,
878
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:29.119
that these ets are demonic in nature, and some people
879
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:30.880
have pointed out because some people go, oh, oh, come on,
880
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.119
you know one thing, and some people have said, where
881
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.239
there's been abductees or contact, well, but let's say with
882
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.840
the abductees where they do use the name of Jesus Christ,
883
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.159
and this repels the ets. So makes you think, Okay,
884
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.679
if you're just an et from another planet or another
885
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.760
dimension or whatever, what would it matter if you invoke
886
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.679
the name of Jesus Christ. It would be like, well, okay,
887
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.440
but no, it repels them, which.
888
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.159
Is which is what it's demonic.
889
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.119
That's why, because and that's what people think. This is
890
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:09.199
not the it came from whatever the plaitings or whatever.
891
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.119
Another another thing I think comes from that dimension bigfoot.
892
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.559
I think this clip some way plays into that as well,
893
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.159
because these things appear and they disappear, Yes, and there's
894
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.599
never any signs, there's never anything that they can track.
895
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.719
These things appear and they disappear. I believe there's some
896
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.559
form of demonic entity, right, and some people come through
897
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.199
a portal of another dimension.
898
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:38.400
Right, it could be a rip, it could be a portal.
899
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.880
Some people's they're one and the same or you know,
900
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.599
if there's a rip or portal and they oh, if
901
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.280
that's opening up, they just skip out. Like but a
902
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.920
lot of people that tractice have found like a spike
903
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.119
in UFO sidings and then it dovetails with a spike
904
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.119
encrypted or bigfoot sightings.
905
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.639
Okay, yeah, yeah, there's no question it's all some way related.
906
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.559
And whether it's all the creepy stuff on this skin
907
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.639
walk or ranch, that's all demonic. It's all demonic, you know,
908
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.920
and it only makes sense because it's all documented.
909
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.119
Let me tell when you read when you read the description,
910
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:27.320
because see the owners prior to the Shermans, which it
911
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:29.880
was a couple and they bought the property out there
912
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.599
like in the nineteen thirties. They lived out there, and
913
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.760
then when they died, it went to the man's brother.
914
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:40.320
He was the one that sold it to the Big
915
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.880
Oeld the company. The people that lived out there lived
916
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:48.280
out there for like sixty years supposedly, you know, the
917
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.800
brother said, no, they never said anything about well not
918
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.639
even paranormal about UFO sightings. They never described anything with
919
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.159
the UFOs. And then you hear what the Shermans, which
920
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.440
were the people that basically bought it do for ranch.
921
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.559
All they wanted was just a ranch that they had
922
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:09.840
all these I mean over the top, over the top experiences.
923
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:13.760
It's like, were those people not saying anything when they
924
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.880
lived here for sixty years and they just decided to.
925
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.239
Like keep it to themselves.
926
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.760
Yeah, But then again you hear that that piece of land,
927
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.400
even according to the Native Americans that lived there already
928
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.960
had that ridge already had a bad reputation to begin with.
929
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.320
So you know, and then again is it UFOs or
930
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.119
is there something else? Because like I said, they've seen
931
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.719
something like dog men. They would hear like like machinery
932
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.960
sounds like heavy machinery coming out from the underground. I
933
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.880
mean stuff that you're like, what in the world is
934
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.559
It's not a ufo ET kind of thing. This is
935
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:57.320
it was incredible And even now, I'm sure you've seen
936
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.960
that they have that show out there that they can't
937
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.199
make head or tails of. What's the phenomena that they
938
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.000
have going on out there? Basically, I want to laugh
939
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.480
real quick. Basically, what was going on with your camera
940
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.880
where I don't know you've seen all the equipment malfunctions?
941
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:16.159
Yeah, I mean yeah, it plays havoc with electronic equipment. Yes, yes,
942
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:18.719
in our house we would have to you know, the
943
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:23.079
clocks would stop, and coffee makers wouldn't work, and you know,
944
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:29.239
so many TVs would quit working, and it was amazing, right.
945
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.519
And again we get into the you know how much
946
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.440
of it? Well, what we understand the nature of it is.
947
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:41.079
Let me ask you the the priests that helped you
948
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.320
out or the are they still around? Do they ever
949
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:44.039
check up on you?
950
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:48.320
Or one of them one of them passed on to
951
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:54.239
the other two priests. Yeah, I keep in pretty regular
952
00:58:54.400 --> 00:59:00.280
contact with them. They're they're they're up in age, up
953
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.760
up in a up in years now. The one major guy,
954
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:08.679
he's probably in his upper eighties now and he still
955
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.480
has a radio show he has for at least thirty
956
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forty years every Sunday night that I listened to. And
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00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:20.000
then Father Mike Selvagna. Uh, he's in Scranton, PA. And
958
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.159
uh we we contact each other every every couple of months.
959
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:31.079
And yeah, I mean the Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh went
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00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:35.239
public on my story before my book was published, and
961
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:42.400
and on their own on their own verified every every
962
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.440
every page of my book and their involvement in it.
963
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.119
Sometimes they don't want to talk about stuff.
964
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.719
Like that as far as me just you know, some
965
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.719
guy coming up with some crazy story and writing it down.
966
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:07.360
There are just too many other notable, uh reputable people
967
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:11.199
like the Bishop of Pittsburgh. You know it said, Yeah,
968
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:17.199
both two bishops of Pittsburgh both you know, endorsed the book.
969
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.679
So yeah, it's it's let me.
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01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.320
Ask you by this. I'm not going to say your neighbors,
971
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.480
because you know, before neighborhoods, there's at the place that
972
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:33.239
would you have his land? You know, usually these are
973
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.079
bigger parcels of land before it gets subdivided and built on,
974
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:40.519
et cetera. Did you ever have any of the people
975
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.679
in the church ever tell you that they had similar
976
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.760
type of happenings in that location or in that general
977
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.679
area within a certain of miles.
978
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:53.039
There was there was another house very closely associated with
979
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.199
our house a walk away, and it was very well
980
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.440
known as the haunted house of the neighborhood. It's said, okay,
981
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.039
it's sat empty for thirty years.
982
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:06.239
That's pretty haunted.
983
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.800
Yeah, it's sat empty. It's sat empty from the late
984
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.559
nineteen fifties until the nineteen eighties, and it had quite
985
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.079
a reputation to it. And my story pulled it all together, okay,
986
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:26.360
and its association with my house and what transpired, and
987
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.760
you know, there's the stories in there about the mob
988
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:36.159
and you know, organized crime and just a lot of
989
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.960
evil stuff. Evil begets evil, begets.
990
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.039
Evil, right, right, And that's why I'm saying, I know,
991
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.639
sometimes the church is privy. Like you said, people keep
992
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:48.280
things under wraps, but they're privy to certain things happenings
993
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:52.840
in certain houses that that you and nobody would ever know.
994
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.440
And I'm not talking about the typically haunted house where
995
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.280
they could say, you know what, there's a house maybe
996
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.679
a mile or half a mile away from here that
997
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.840
at one point was part of this area where where
998
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.480
we know because we're behind the scenes as a church
999
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:14.599
that had a very very similar experience or description. But
1000
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:16.559
you're saying that this is just down the block from you,
1001
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:17.760
then yeah, it's.
1002
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.920
A block away. Yeah wow, Yeah, it's very closely associated.
1003
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:28.880
And yeah it's a it's a very deep story all
1004
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.320
centered around a demon that loved to kill children.
1005
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:39.920
All right, So okay, okay, well you know what that.
1006
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.280
I mean that that's a whole other show. But yes,
1007
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:48.559
which you know, you find that a lot in You
1008
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:53.079
know that that's a common denominator in any.
1009
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.480
Type sacrifice, human sacrifice.
1010
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.000
But children, type of invocations, or any type of these
1011
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.559
different cults, whether they call themselves Satanists or they call
1012
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.559
themselves whatever. You know, that's one of the common denominators
1013
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:10.800
that you find is human sacrifice, you know, or that we.
1014
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.880
Were given for this demon that was in the house
1015
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:18.840
was Moloch. Okay, And Moloch is a biblical, yes, biblical
1016
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:25.719
character demon demon that was the god of the Canaanites. Yes,
1017
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:32.000
the Canaanites and their their whole uh, their whole deal
1018
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:40.400
was child young baby boys, right, killing baby boys, infants right.
1019
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.280
And if you you know the I believe the the
1020
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:47.519
part of the Moloch or anything. It originated with the
1021
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.679
people the Carthaginians.
1022
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.159
The Canaanites, yeah, prior to that.
1023
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:56.519
And they they if you read them, because you think
1024
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:01.320
that some of these families, I believe it or not,
1025
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:06.039
we're well off. And they would to assure themselves their
1026
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.559
continued standing or whatever you want to call it in
1027
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.519
the community, they would give up their own young to
1028
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.920
be sacrificed. In other words, this was not, uh, we're
1029
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.679
going to take the kid from you. They were willingly
1030
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.360
giving them the children up for that. Yeah, which is
1031
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:27.039
this is that's horrible, it's horrible, but yes, right, And
1032
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:32.360
one time they were looking at it from an anthropological like, oh,
1033
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:34.679
was this was you know, was the uh when they
1034
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:36.679
were doing this where they're going through some type of
1035
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.519
famine or you know, they were like a version of
1036
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:42.800
population control? You know, was this the reason why they
1037
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.719
were doing this? And they were saying no, that at
1038
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.280
that time, the populace of the city, first of all,
1039
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.880
the city everything, it was doing well economically. There was
1040
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:53.920
enough food. This was not like hey, we're we're suffering
1041
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.239
because we don't have enough food, and this is an
1042
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.639
indirect way of population control. That none of those none
1043
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.800
of those motivators were there. This was strictly you know,
1044
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:11.199
blood ceremony. In other words, well you know that.
1045
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:17.159
I'm sure you're you're familiar with with with orbs, Yes,
1046
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.599
orbs that generally can be seen. They can't always be
1047
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.679
seen by the naked eye, but they can always be
1048
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.000
seen in pictures. You can be standing, you know, right
1049
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:29.719
in front of an orb and not see it, but
1050
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.119
pull a camera up and you'll see it clearly. Our mind,
1051
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:39.480
for whatever reason, can't process it. Animals can see them,
1052
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:44.159
but we can't. But you can take pictures. It's amazing.
1053
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.360
You can go on the battlefield of Gettysburg at night
1054
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.519
and take a series of pictures and you wouldn't believe
1055
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:56.280
how many orbs you'll see. But nonetheless, there's a picture
1056
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:03.679
in my book. Uh, the final scene, the final confrontation
1057
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:08.199
with the demon was in a room in the basement
1058
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.840
that was once used to store coal. These old houts
1059
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:16.039
burned coal and it was the coal storage room and
1060
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.440
that's where the final confrontation took place. And I took
1061
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.480
a picture of this room for the book, just to
1062
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.599
represent it, and I said, this is the room where
1063
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:29.199
it happened. Well I got the picture and you can
1064
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:34.079
actually see this in the book. Remember the Lawrence Welk show.
1065
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:40.119
Remember all to watch that Lawrence, all the little.
1066
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.840
Bubbles that would begin. Yes, that room looked like the
1067
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:49.440
Lawrence Welk Show. It was filled with hundreds of little
1068
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.960
tiny orbs that represent I believe all the children that
1069
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:55.199
were killed in the house.
1070
01:06:57.760 --> 01:06:59.840
Wow, that's that's.
1071
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:04.360
All the children that were killed in the house. It
1072
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:09.320
was used as it was used it as an illegion, illicit,
1073
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:16.119
illegal abortion clinic for for a long time. Yes, the
1074
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:18.519
babies would be burned in the furnace.
1075
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:19.960
In the in the basis to get rid of the.
1076
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.920
Proof of the Yes, I believe all all those little souls,
1077
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.039
all those little orbs were still trapped there in the house.
1078
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.320
Let me see. I wanted to, uh, so I could
1079
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:36.079
show that Bob, this is the this is the the
1080
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:41.280
cover of the book. All right, I think I think
1081
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.039
I'm showing right now. What's uh, this is the.
1082
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.679
So there are pictures in the right that I was going.
1083
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.679
To say, you have actual pictures in the book.
1084
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.559
Yeah, there are pictures in the book, and one of
1085
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.360
them show you can still you can look closely and
1086
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.440
see the orbs on the pictures.
1087
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:01.440
Right.
1088
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.599
For those that maybe you want to buy the book and.
1089
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:07.360
Read it right. Well, by the way, let me tell
1090
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:11.719
you something. You've got about almost a thousand. You've got
1091
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:16.960
a almost five star four point nine nine feedback, four
1092
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:23.600
point three out of almost one thousand reviews on it. Okay,
1093
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:24.319
which is great.
1094
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:26.600
Oh, on the book, Yes, on the book.
1095
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.760
On the book, yeah, I mean as far as the
1096
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.640
what you know, however you end up feeling about it? Yeah? Yeah,
1097
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.399
I can tell three hundred and thirty pages. This is
1098
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:45.279
on the kindle edition. Yes, so the Let me ask
1099
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.760
you and have your Have you had any guests that
1100
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.439
have had not because they were looking for it, not
1101
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:56.039
because they did anything. Have you had any guests that
1102
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:57.279
I've had any experiences?
1103
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:03.439
No? Okay, it's funny. Just so you brought that up.
1104
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.439
Just this weekend, I had a woman who came here
1105
01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:10.960
from another state whose daughter lives locally, and and you know,
1106
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.159
the house is very well known locally. It got so
1107
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.199
much publicity. You know, it's like me to horror house.
1108
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:21.439
So I don't even know.
1109
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:21.880
What this is.
1110
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.920
She goes, Oh, I brought a spirit box with me.
1111
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:30.640
I don't know what a spirit box? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah,
1112
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.039
and I and she said, oh I. I cried the communicy.
1113
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:41.119
I said, please, please, don't do anything like that here,
1114
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:46.359
please take it away. Don't do that here, don't do it.
1115
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:49.279
And she said, oh, I didn't you know they think
1116
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:50.439
it's some kind of game.
1117
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.600
Yes, exactly, exactly, think it's.
1118
01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:55.600
Some kind of game, like they're playing a game. And
1119
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.640
I said, please, please don't do anything like that here,
1120
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.319
don't do it. So hopefully she didn't.
1121
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.960
I was gonna say, yeah, no, I know some people
1122
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.760
they want to. I mentioned that there's people sometimes that
1123
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.359
want to have that that aha moment that you know,
1124
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:14.920
these people that join these paranormal teams because they want
1125
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:18.359
to have the Yeah, they see the reality shows and
1126
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:21.800
they want to have the And then every once in
1127
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.920
a while, you know, be careful what you wish for. Yeah,
1128
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.239
then they get the full monthy and then they're like, oh.
1129
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:35.279
Yeah, and it'll absolutely absolutely yes.
1130
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.800
I tell everybody you know. I was a practicing hypnotherapist
1131
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.239
for many years, and people that had had different experiences
1132
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.520
with things that they had seen or witnessed that they
1133
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.680
would call me, and on more than one occasion, well
1134
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:52.119
for anxiety and lack of sleep. And I had one
1135
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.640
gentleman one time, among others, tell me, can you hypnotize
1136
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.960
me to forget this that I saw this? I said, no,
1137
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.319
I can't. I can't can help you remember stuff if
1138
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:03.479
you know what it is. Sometimes I had people that
1139
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.880
put stuff away really really well and they just can remember.
1140
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.079
I said, no, I can't do that, and then I
1141
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:11.520
would tell them, but what's going on?
1142
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:12.039
You know?
1143
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.159
Tell me you know what would make you want to
1144
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:16.560
do that? Because people want to go back to that
1145
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.479
moment before they witnessed something, because their world changes. That
1146
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.800
experience or what they witness is like a marker in
1147
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:29.319
their life. Everything that you know, the the AD, the
1148
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:32.439
BC to the a D, this is like before that event,
1149
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.000
whatever it was, either the experience or they witnessed it
1150
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:40.199
or something, their understanding of the world changes and they
1151
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:42.000
want to go back to what they were. But you
1152
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.600
cannot see what you see. So I had, you know,
1153
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:49.800
throughout the time, for different reasons, people coming to me
1154
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:56.039
with predicaments, mostly you know, high anxiety, god's lack of sleep,
1155
01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.840
wanting to sleep, couldn't stay asleep, you name it, you know.
1156
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.439
So I understand that sometimes people they don't know what
1157
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:07.399
they're asking for when they do stuff like that when
1158
01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:12.840
they're opening the because they get caught up again with
1159
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.199
reality shows and movies and they think, oh, you know,
1160
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.520
it's like, you know what, tell you what the difference
1161
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.880
is when you go to the movies at the end,
1162
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.079
the credits roll and you get up and you go home.
1163
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.199
But it's not at your house. Everything changes when it's
1164
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.560
at your house. Like what you just explained how things
1165
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:33.439
sometimes the next thing you know, you're experiencing things at
1166
01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:34.119
the house.
1167
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.399
And then on to change you. I still about once
1168
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.039
a year, I have what's a preventive maintenance that I do.
1169
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:47.880
It's about a two hour long ritualistic blessing that I
1170
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.119
go through. Yes that I know how to do, I
1171
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:54.399
know what to do that. It kind of puts a
1172
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:58.680
lid on anything that may show up, just in case.
1173
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.680
You got people like that going in there. And she
1174
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:03.760
was she kind of blabbed about it.
1175
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:08.600
You know, well, apparently she got a name through this box.
1176
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:12.039
She gave me the name and I said, I don't
1177
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:13.800
know what you're talking about. I don't know a name
1178
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:18.520
like that. I have no idea. Please, I don't do
1179
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:24.319
that here. Do not do that here. It's dangerous.
1180
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:27.520
Her curiosity she had to give you that name just
1181
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.359
to see if you would react and say, hey, yeah, no,
1182
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:33.119
did you really not recognize them? No?
1183
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:33.680
I did not.
1184
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:38.119
Okay, Bob is like going No, I never heard of that,
1185
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:40.680
And you know, if.
1186
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.000
I looked into it in detail, maybe I could have
1187
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:43.399
found No.
1188
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.279
No, no, I'm just not don't do that. But I'm
1189
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:49.079
just saying that some of these people, like I said,
1190
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:52.239
they get caught up with the I don't know, the
1191
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.640
sensationalism when they see these shows, and then they don't
1192
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.079
they do stuff. And maybe in this case, this lady
1193
01:13:58.199 --> 01:13:59.680
mentioned that she was going to do this for the
1194
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:06.760
ghost Bus that afterwards they are like uh again, because
1195
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:07.520
then you know.
1196
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:12.560
You experience It's it's amazing. I mean with them, the
1197
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:14.960
things I went through. One time, I woke up in
1198
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.039
bed at night. I was completely turned around in bed.
1199
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.359
My feet were on my pillow, and my head was
1200
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.680
at the base of the bed. My wife was pulling
1201
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:27.000
bed normally. I woke up backward. I had not left,
1202
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:29.840
I had not gotten up. I had I don't sleepwalk.
1203
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:31.920
I didn't get up to go to the bathroom and
1204
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.199
come back and get in. No, I woke up. It
1205
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.319
would do things like that to me on purpose, to
1206
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:41.159
to like try to unsettle me.
1207
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.680
Sure, of course, And that's the thing people don't realize
1208
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.399
that contrary to sometimes and I'm sure you're gonna God,
1209
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.319
God knows you know better than anybody else, Bob, that
1210
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.640
you know, everybody, like I said, looks at the movies
1211
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:58.279
and they think it's just a flying end. Basically, the
1212
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.840
attack sometimes is on a psychological level, Okay, where it
1213
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:05.439
did stuff like that, you would think, well, so you
1214
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:07.560
woke up with your feet on the pillow and you're
1215
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:11.000
but when you start putting all these things together little
1216
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:11.720
by little.
1217
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:13.880
Yeah, I don't even talk about the scratches and the
1218
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.520
bites and right, all the things that yes and fall
1219
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:21.680
down the steps and you know, it pushes down the
1220
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.920
steps and you know you end up at the bottom
1221
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.439
of the steps. That happened on a regular basis.
1222
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:32.079
Right. And also I'm glad you mentioned because another thing
1223
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:35.319
that I want to say is a misleading that a
1224
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:37.039
lot of people think that when you get let's say,
1225
01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:41.000
whether it's a group or religious you know, clergy or whatever,
1226
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:43.359
whether it's a deliverance minister or a priest, that they
1227
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.119
come and clap a thunder and it's over. They they
1228
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.159
cleansed your house and that's it. And I beg two
1229
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:51.880
different you confirmed it. Even after that, you still got
1230
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:52.760
to keep working at it.
1231
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:56.159
Oh, it's it's yeah, it's I had a post traumatic
1232
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.880
stress condition that lasted for years.
1233
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:06.319
I'm not surprised that I'm not surprised, and that's incredible.
1234
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:10.479
But as a matter of fact, I see why you
1235
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:10.960
would have.
1236
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:16.159
Every little thing that happened, you know, and when you're
1237
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:18.640
sitting there and you see stuff flying across the room
1238
01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:22.039
right in front of you, you know, you know, things
1239
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.479
would fly. I'd be talking to my wife and some
1240
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:26.479
would fly across the room. I'd just go pick it
1241
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:27.960
up and put it back where it was like it
1242
01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:29.560
didn't even happen, you know.
1243
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.319
Yeah, after a while, it just becomes like, you know,
1244
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.359
you gets to sensitized to like.
1245
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:36.560
We wouldn't let it, we wouldn't let it get us
1246
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.920
because it was designed to like freak us out. It
1247
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.600
was designed to have an effect. And then we finally
1248
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:45.000
got to the point where we laughed at it.
1249
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:47.640
You know, there you go, he laughed at it.
1250
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:52.239
And you know when the one time I talk in
1251
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.960
the book where where I had a white shirt that
1252
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:56.560
I had worn to work, and I pad it on
1253
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.600
the clothes tree and and I came up and there
1254
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.479
was streak of blood that was it was down the
1255
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:07.159
back of the shirt, a streak of blood. And I
1256
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:09.840
hadn't blood or anything. I mean the thing. It covered
1257
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.840
all the walls in the house with this blood. And
1258
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.239
I said, what what did you do that for? I
1259
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.560
just right, I scold it, right, why did you do that?
1260
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.439
Put it in somewhere? What you put it on the shirt? Now,
1261
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.760
that doesn't impress me. You have to understand, I'm not frightened.
1262
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:31.239
It doesn't impress me. I'm angry. Don't mess with the
1263
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:33.359
I still have the shirt and the blood's still on.
1264
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:37.000
It, right exactly, but exactly, And that I believe it
1265
01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.520
or not. That that change in your reaction was crucial
1266
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:44.800
because instead of winging out like oh my god, it's like, really,
1267
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:48.119
you know, don't do that. You know, like when you've
1268
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.279
got a dog that peeted on your furniture and you're like,
1269
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:53.920
why did you do that? That kind of that kind
1270
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:58.439
of deal, like, okay, exactly exactly, I believe it or
1271
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.000
not that right there corner, you know, yeah, No, it's like,
1272
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:04.479
you know, you're making you know, you're you're inconveniencing me.
1273
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:08.119
You're not scaring me. It's just inconvenient. Yeah, and that
1274
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.199
that that that counts for a lot, believe it or not.
1275
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.600
As far as so, let me, how are you going
1276
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:14.720
to write another book?
1277
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:20.840
It was so much work that book was. It was
1278
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:24.800
a lot of work to write, Okay, and you know,
1279
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:30.239
my my, my mission in doing it was to tell
1280
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:33.359
the story and to tell it in a way that
1281
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.840
it was. It's like a ministry, it's a sermon. It's
1282
01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:40.880
it's a life changing it has a message to it
1283
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:47.640
that really can impact somebody's soul. And and and that
1284
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:52.039
was my That's what I wanted. So all the interviews
1285
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:56.760
and all the the the videos that have been made,
1286
01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:01.079
and the television programs that have been made, and hopefully
1287
01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:04.880
at some point there's a movie. I had a movie
1288
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.279
deal once and COVID came along and killed it. I'm
1289
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:09.079
not surprised.
1290
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:11.319
Long ago though.
1291
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:17.319
Yeah. Yeah, Anyway, I believe the message of the book
1292
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:21.039
is something that tens of thousands of people have read
1293
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:25.439
the book, uh, And and that message has has uh
1294
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:31.359
is being you know, perpetuated and spread and hopefully it
1295
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:34.359
continues to be. It's been over ten years since I
1296
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.720
published it, and it's still the book still sells very well.
1297
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:41.000
And to me, it's a it's kind of like preaching
1298
01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:44.399
a sermon where I'm not there, but tens of thousands
1299
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:49.119
of people and a lot of people read it that
1300
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:50.319
don't even go to church.
1301
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:54.079
And that's what I'm saying, I'm sure to hear that message.
1302
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.439
They look at it for they purchased it for the
1303
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:58.359
scare factor.
1304
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:01.680
Yeah, and they get a message of the supernatural and
1305
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:07.239
of God through it. So my my, I just feel
1306
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:12.399
that that that's why I encountered so much difficulty in
1307
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:18.359
in in succeeding they get it published and and Evil
1308
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:20.840
did not want it to be published because I believe
1309
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:22.840
it demonstrates that evil is true.
1310
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.520
But what happened when, first of all, did you run
1311
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:27.960
I know that you ran problems you're saying when you
1312
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.560
were writing it, Yes, okay, as I know sometimes when
1313
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.600
they say life kits in the way. But what kind
1314
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.079
of experiences did you have that you're like, oh, come on, now,
1315
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:36.880
you're messing with me.
1316
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.119
I guess it was in the in the in the
1317
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:50.239
process of understanding the publishing business. It was really before
1318
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:54.039
the whole thing of self publishing, and I had to
1319
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.960
deal with getting an agent and getting a publisher. Now, ultimately,
1320
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:03.720
Penguin ran in the Mouse published it. Okay, biggest publishing
1321
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:08.720
houses there is, yes, But to get into that world
1322
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:13.319
if you're not a notable celebrity, who they say, why
1323
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.520
don't you write a book and we'll have someone write
1324
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.840
it for you and put your name on it and
1325
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.159
we'll make a lot of money. You know, Hillary Clinton
1326
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:21.000
or something like Yeah.
1327
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:21.800
The ghostwriters.
1328
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.800
Yeah, So I thought I had to have a ghostwriter
1329
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.279
that understood how to do that, and I wrote the
1330
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:34.119
manuscript and I had this ghostwriter write a book from
1331
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:39.119
my manuscript. So I went through three different ghostwriters. One
1332
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:42.760
of them, the first one was very very successful and
1333
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.960
I believe could have done the job, but got so
1334
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:50.760
sick in trying to work on my book. Finally said
1335
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:52.880
I don't want anything to do with this book.
1336
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:54.600
There we go.
1337
01:21:54.880 --> 01:22:03.479
That's when finally I came across a woman who was
1338
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:07.640
was very difficult to work with, who didn't write a book,
1339
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:14.600
who used my manuscript. My manuscript was fine, it was published.
1340
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.319
What I wrote was published, But what she did do
1341
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.199
was get me into the publishing world and get me
1342
01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:26.039
a good agent who got me the publishing deal. Okay,
1343
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:31.920
And so it was a lot of difficulty in making
1344
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:36.680
all that happen, and and oh, I could just go
1345
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:39.960
on and on about all the challenges I had to
1346
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:44.039
overcome to get it done. But it finally, it finally
1347
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:47.920
came out, and I think it's very very well written.
1348
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:53.319
I worked with a really good editor at Penguin who
1349
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:57.319
kind of didn't rewrite it, but took it and rearranged it,
1350
01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:01.640
and and and and changed a flow of it and
1351
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:06.399
uh expanded some of it, and and and suppressed other
1352
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:09.479
parts of it, and I think made the story just perfect.
1353
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:12.960
And and I work together very closely, and it was
1354
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.800
it ended up good. It's a very interesting book. A
1355
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.840
lot of folks tell me they'll they'll read it almost straight.
1356
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:20.880
Through with us, right, And let me tell you something.
1357
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.279
As a reader, I can tell you that's that's that's
1358
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.000
how you know you know you're reading a good book
1359
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.479
when it's like, oh, I'm gonna you know, I can't,
1360
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:31.840
I'm not. I gotta finish reading this since three in
1361
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:33.439
the morning, and you're still like, I.
1362
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:36.960
Can't stop reading it. Yeah, And I don't. I'm not
1363
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.199
saying that boastfully. I'm saying, I hear that. All.
1364
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.199
Yeah, They're like, no, man, I can't put this down
1365
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:46.079
as like tomorrow, tomorrow will be like but I got I.
1366
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:49.680
I about a year or so ago, two years ago,
1367
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.760
there was a guy who they may make a lot
1368
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.239
of movies in Pittsburgh. And this is a famous house
1369
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.399
and it's an old Victorian manner, beautiful place, especially if
1370
01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:03.640
it's a bed and breakfast. And he shows up at
1371
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:07.000
my house one day and says, listen, I scouted for movies,
1372
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:09.760
and you mind if I took some pictures of the
1373
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:11.960
inside of the house. We might want to use it
1374
01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.560
in a movie. Sometimes I we'll cat log it and
1375
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:18.119
keep it on file. I said, sure, come on in, Yeah,
1376
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.479
take all the pictures you want. So he was there
1377
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.720
for about an hour, took all the pictures and we talked.
1378
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:27.239
He was a nice, nice guy. And as he was leaving,
1379
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:29.520
just for the heck of it, I said, hey, I
1380
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:33.079
never mentioned anything about the book or the house or anything.
1381
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.640
I said, hey, I wrote a book about this house.
1382
01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:37.840
Let me give you a copy. He goes, you wrote
1383
01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:39.680
a book about it? What's it about? I said, just
1384
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:41.279
take it? And he left.
1385
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:42.439
Okay.
1386
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.560
So about a year later, I get a call. I
1387
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.479
didn't remember his name or anything. He said, Hey, remember
1388
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.279
I'm such and such. I came to your house one
1389
01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:54.680
day to take pictures. I said yeah. He said, well,
1390
01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:56.600
you gave me a book when I left, and I
1391
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:59.439
didn't pay any attention to it. And a couple of
1392
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.760
weeks ago I found it in my office and I
1393
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.640
just started reading the first couple of pages and I
1394
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.760
couldn't put it down. And he said, and I finished
1395
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.039
it here recently, and I had to call I had
1396
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.479
to call you and tell you that this book has
1397
01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:19.640
changed my whole perspective on life. I didn't have any faith,
1398
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:23.000
I have no religion before I read this book. And
1399
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.319
I'll tell you what this is really kind of messed
1400
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:26.720
me up.
1401
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:30.600
Doesn't over on your head, doesn't it? Yeah, that's the thing.
1402
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:32.840
And those are the kind those are the kind of
1403
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.560
conversations that say, I hit the mark.
1404
01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.880
Right, hit the mark that I was aiming for the
1405
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.560
reason why I asked you this. There was a doctor.
1406
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:46.159
His name was Earl Patterson. Okay, now, doctor Patterson. I
1407
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:49.760
want to put it in Pennsylvania, no, or New Jersey.
1408
01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:56.960
I'm sorry. He oversaw a couple of asylums for the community, uh,
1409
01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:59.920
for the county or something like that. He ran like
1410
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:05.319
the mental health back in the fifties, say something right
1411
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.800
like in the early I want to say, he did
1412
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:12.000
all the way into the sixties, he dese signs like
1413
01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:16.159
in the early seventies. He's going to put a stories
1414
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:21.279
together documenting cases of possession that he ran across when
1415
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:23.920
he was doing this as a psychiatrist. Even though he
1416
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:27.520
was running this goes on like I want to say,
1417
01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:32.279
nineteen seventy nine runs. It goes through three different typists
1418
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:36.039
or you know they would all get sick. Well, a
1419
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:39.239
couple of them, as I guess he's dictating and they're
1420
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.119
putting it together. One like wigged out so badly. She's
1421
01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:43.319
like I'm quit, I'm out of here.
1422
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:44.319
I can't do it.
1423
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.479
Yeah, because basically what he's describing our cases, these are
1424
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.039
real life cases that he came across in his career
1425
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:54.079
while he's doing this all right, I think a couple
1426
01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:58.239
of them until the last one that finished got violently ill,
1427
01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:00.359
like they like six six like not like I'll be
1428
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.039
next week. It's like, I'm so sick, I don't know
1429
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.000
when I can come back. And finish this for you.
1430
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:06.800
Finally he got that done. Then he goes on the
1431
01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:11.319
hunt the same thing for publisher. Couldn't find one. Finally
1432
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.039
finds one in California. Can't remember what the name of
1433
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:18.319
the publishing house with bottom line the books never got published.
1434
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.960
I myself tried looking up this publishing house. Never couldn't
1435
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:26.680
find it. Can't find it anywhere nowhere. Okay, same, very
1436
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.239
It sounds a lot like what you were talking about,
1437
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.960
like something does not want this information out there.
1438
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:35.239
Oh yeah, it was. I mean when I went through
1439
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.359
and as I said, the first writer, who was a very,
1440
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.520
very successful writer, had a number of books. I remember
1441
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.000
talking to her husband on the phone. She said, he said,
1442
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:47.560
she's in the hospital. We don't know what's wrong with her.
1443
01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:50.000
We don't know what's wrong. And she finally said, I
1444
01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:52.800
can't deal with this. I can't deal with it. One
1445
01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.199
of the priests from my book actually went to her house.
1446
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:59.479
She lived in New Rochelle, New York, and then she
1447
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:03.000
she the uh, she walked away from it. And I
1448
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:03.680
don't blame her.
1449
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:09.119
And let me tell you the the What I remember
1450
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.319
was that he mentioned because when he says when he
1451
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:14.520
was trying to find a publishing house. He says, this
1452
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:16.920
was the early mid seventies. You remember when all these
1453
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:19.119
movies that came out, The exorses the only one, all
1454
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.079
that crap, and they were turning him away to listen
1455
01:28:22.119 --> 01:28:25.039
to this, because he says, you're going to scare people
1456
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:30.319
away from demonic themes. In other words, they were trying
1457
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:32.680
to They wanted to scare people but attract them at
1458
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:36.079
the same time. But if you're going to put a story,
1459
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:41.560
what you're writing is not fiction, it's nonfiction, and you're
1460
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.079
talking about the dangers and also what you ran across
1461
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.399
as you did all these cases for so many years,
1462
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:48.800
like in other words, we don't want that slam.
1463
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.319
Yeah, and that's like it sounds like the book it's
1464
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:52.960
called Hostage to the Devil.
1465
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:54.800
Oh yeah, no, housae share the Devil. If you read
1466
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.600
host this shit the Devil is like, like, I'm Martin. Yes,
1467
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.520
that's the besides the fact that he's a very good
1468
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.399
writer as far as descriptions go, and the content, and
1469
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:09.920
you're thinking, okay, this is it's an exorousist who wrote it,
1470
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.960
even though the exorcists in the book themselves are not
1471
01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:17.800
him supposedly, But yeah, when you read that, you're like, oh,
1472
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:22.079
and it's and you know what, Bob, when you read
1473
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:25.039
Hostage to the Devil, you realize that a lot of
1474
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.960
these cases are very convoluted. It's not like what you
1475
01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:31.119
see like it's all very open and shut and you
1476
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:33.439
know what it is right away and you know everything happens.
1477
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:35.399
Yeah, it's two hours later.
1478
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.199
The stories it's like no, no, no, no, no.
1479
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:38.600
Yeah.
1480
01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:42.039
So yeah. So when you said that, when you're saying, oh,
1481
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:44.039
I'm having all these uphill battles coming up and that,
1482
01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:45.720
I was like, oh, I've heard a version of this
1483
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:47.840
before and it hasn't been to be kind of in
1484
01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.279
the same vein, not exactly, but it talked about the
1485
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:57.239
same subject matter where And I tried myself to look
1486
01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:01.159
for a copy of that book or volumes. He was
1487
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:03.399
going to have ten volumes on it, that's how many
1488
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:07.359
cases he had. I've never been able to locate him.
1489
01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.840
And I have searches out there. When let me tell
1490
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:11.960
you something, I can usually find books wherever they are,
1491
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.520
and I've never been able to find them. I like
1492
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:17.239
I said, I even tried finding the publishing house. I said, well,
1493
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:19.680
maybe I can trace it back through the publishing house.
1494
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:24.960
No luck there. Like whenever that buried that thing, it
1495
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:29.119
was like it's gone. So the reason why I asked
1496
01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:30.840
it about that, this is like, you know, like I said,
1497
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:36.319
the the the the aftermath of everything that you went through.
1498
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.560
All right, yeah, it's not over yet too, It's not
1499
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:41.960
over yet. I just want to.
1500
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:49.680
I've had I had clients where I've said it before
1501
01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:53.520
in all my other shows that their their answer to
1502
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.960
their problems when they actually and I'm not talking anything demonic,
1503
01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.159
I'm just talking to your regular old dead person had
1504
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:04.520
some type of haunting. Their solution was we're moving. If
1505
01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:06.920
they could financially swing it, whether it's because they owned
1506
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.159
the property or it was a rental or something. Because
1507
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:11.800
a lot of times, because I used to work, I
1508
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:14.119
used to be a freelance investigator for a foundation that
1509
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.159
was here in Florida, you know, we always leave the door.
1510
01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:20.159
If you need help me, let us know, calls back
1511
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:23.760
whatever you want. You know, we're and sometimes we would
1512
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:25.840
follow up. I would say about eighty percent of the
1513
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:30.640
time people's solution to this was we're moving. So that's
1514
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.119
why I'm saying, your perspective is unique. After being there
1515
01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:34.000
so many years.
1516
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:37.479
I couldn't do that to someone else. It was my problem.
1517
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:43.439
And I really believe that I was in some way
1518
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:50.640
guided there and destined to deal with this issue that
1519
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.920
would later get great publicity. And I was molded and
1520
01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:59.199
shaped in a way my personality to go through it,
1521
01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:04.920
and and and it was a mission that I had
1522
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:08.880
to fulfill. And and also just the dog and this
1523
01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:13.159
and the determination and also the ability that I was
1524
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:17.319
given to write, to be a good writer, and to
1525
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:22.520
be able to write a fairly complicated story, uh in
1526
01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:26.439
a way that was interesting. I think I was just
1527
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:30.079
put together in a in a certain way to go
1528
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:35.000
through this experience and uh, and to document it, and
1529
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:39.359
uh it would be the capstone of my of my life.
1530
01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:44.439
And uh, you know, I've I've experienced a lot of
1531
01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:48.600
difficulties since it. Lost the marriage lost really two marriages.
1532
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:53.199
I had a son who's who died in the process.
1533
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:58.399
You know, it's been been rough and uh, but nonetheless,
1534
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:02.680
I think the story is still a very valid one
1535
01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:06.960
and it has the ability to change people and to
1536
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:13.039
give them truth. And if that's the meaning of my
1537
01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:16.880
life and my struggles, then it was well worth it.
1538
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.479
Bob, have you ever considered that you being there, you
1539
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.720
got in the way of maybe somebody else was going
1540
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:24.680
to own that house, which would have amplified it.
1541
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:28.520
That you know, that could have happened. I don't know.
1542
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:32.880
I really believe if again, I went to great lens
1543
01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:36.600
in the book to explain all of this, and I
1544
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:42.239
really believed that I was destined from a young child
1545
01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:44.239
to live in that house and to deal with.
1546
01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:46.479
This right because you you, even as a child, you
1547
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:47.920
were attracted exactly right.
1548
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:51.600
In This problem existed for decades. It affected the whole community,
1549
01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.840
affected the whole community. And I think that I was
1550
01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.640
drawn to it from the time I was a child
1551
01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:00.680
and would stand in front of the house as a
1552
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.479
seven year old and stare at it, and it would
1553
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:04.399
stare back at me.
1554
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:10.840
That's incredible that a lot of people, and the fact.
1555
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:13.439
That when I when I left the military and came
1556
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.760
home and we were looking for a house, and my
1557
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.560
mother said to me, just out of hand, oh, by
1558
01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:21.479
the way, your house is going on the market.
1559
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:22.720
She called at your house.
1560
01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:26.039
Huh you called it my house? And she said it
1561
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:27.079
I knew one house.
1562
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:28.600
She was talking right exactly.
1563
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.920
Your house is going on the market next week. Isn't
1564
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:35.159
that a coincidence? So I I right away thought, this
1565
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.479
is no coincidence. This house is destined to be my house.
1566
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:43.319
It's been my house all my life, and and I'm
1567
01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:45.359
going to get it, and I'm going to finally go
1568
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.359
inside it and look at it. And I did, and
1569
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.640
uh and and thus the story.
1570
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:54.439
Began right because from what I understand, you kind of
1571
01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:56.479
like thought you weren't going to get it, and you
1572
01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:58.880
even offered a lower price, and that they were asking,
1573
01:34:58.960 --> 01:34:59.520
and they took.
1574
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:03.960
It right right away, right away, and you're like, whoa.
1575
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:08.000
Yeah again, Bob, thank you so much. It has been
1576
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.560
wonderful to speak to you. I'm going to put a
1577
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:13.680
link to your to your website and the credits of
1578
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:15.800
the show, because not only it's not only the book,
1579
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.159
it's that you know, if anybody wants to stay there
1580
01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:20.239
and NBA.
1581
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:22.319
And there's a there's a website for the book to
1582
01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:24.000
demon of Brownsville dot com.
1583
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.239
Okay, all right, but just beware And I know you said,
1584
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:28.800
because I did look at your website and I know
1585
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:30.479
that you put on the website for the b m B.
1586
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:34.239
No no, no, no, no, don't come nor to no
1587
01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:35.000
ghost hunters.
1588
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.199
I'll talk to people about the book. But you're not
1589
01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:40.720
coming with any e VP meters or.
1590
01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:44.439
I don't blame you. I don't blame you at all.
1591
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:49.239
Bob has been absolutely wonderful. And for the podcast listeners,
1592
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:51.920
what would be the best website to find out you
1593
01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.119
know about your the b NB or the or the
1594
01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:56.760
book which told me the B and B.
1595
01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:02.039
Is called the Brownsville Roadhouse. Okay, Brownsville Roadhouse. The book
1596
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.359
is called The Demon of Brownsville Road and the picture
1597
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:07.680
of the house is on the front cover. And then
1598
01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:11.840
the website is called Demono Brownsville dot com.
1599
01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.520
Okay, all right, So like I said, I'll put a link.
1600
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.239
And then I have a Facebook page too, Brownsville Roadhouse.
1601
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.159
You do, okay? And breakfast right right right that as
1602
01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:27.079
far as let me ask you how many rooms does
1603
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:29.760
it have? Tell me about the BMB. Now, let's get
1604
01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:31.600
let's let's move a little bit off to that.
1605
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:34.840
Yeah, I mean it's not a real big mansion.
1606
01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:35.600
I mean I have.
1607
01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:41.640
I have a two room suite with with two queen beds.
1608
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.199
I have two other rooms with queen beds, and then
1609
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:50.359
there's a third floor apartment that's a living room, dining room,
1610
01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:54.600
kitchen bedroom that I generally let out I've just started
1611
01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:58.199
letting it out for an extended period of time. I
1612
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:01.840
have you can run it for a week or for
1613
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:04.640
a month, so I have it. I have someone in
1614
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:09.600
there now through October. Okay, wow, all right, and uh
1615
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.079
it's it's a really high end place. I mean it's
1616
01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:17.560
a very very very nice place to stay. So it's
1617
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:20.119
not it's not an Airbnb. I mean it's like a
1618
01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:25.000
first sure hotel and h very very nice place to
1619
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:29.560
stay and and a lot of things to look at. Okay,
1620
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:34.199
like a little museum, very very nice. Uh. Everyone says
1621
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:35.199
how peaceful it is.
1622
01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:39.600
That's great. Again, thank you so much, Bob.
1623
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.399
Okay, I enjoyed it a lot, very.
1624
01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:44.640
Much, so I'll be I'll be bringing you back because
1625
01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:46.279
I got to catch up with you have more stories.
1626
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:48.800
I don't want to let out everything about the book,
1627
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:50.720
but it's so interesting, and I'm sure you've got a
1628
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:53.359
lot of stories, maybe even stuff that you didn't write about.
1629
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:57.600
Yeah, sure, absolutely, Okay, great, Thank care much.
1630
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:06.800
Okay, what do you think. By the way, there's been
1631
01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:12.199
a lot of god going back years, there's been story
1632
01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:17.680
shows besides the book. In other words, even before he
1633
01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:24.760
published the book, he Bob appeared in different shows and documentaries.
1634
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:29.119
In other words, this is a very well known haunting,
1635
01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:36.560
if you want to call it that, which is let
1636
01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:42.800
me tell you. When you in other words, when you
1637
01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:46.720
look at the the shows, it's kind of like wow.
1638
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:48.680
And then when you read the book, I think that's
1639
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:50.560
what fills in the gaps, because of course, you know,
1640
01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:55.119
all these shows they gloss over, you know, they only
1641
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:57.439
have x amount of time where they can fit this information.
1642
01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:00.680
And but it goes into the book actually goes into
1643
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:04.560
a lot more detail about what transpired throughout all the
1644
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:06.640
years that he was living there. From the time, like
1645
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:09.119
he said that he was a kid, and he was
1646
01:39:09.399 --> 01:39:12.920
perpetually attracted to this house. Let's face it, most seven
1647
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.920
year old they don't care, you know. In other words,
1648
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:21.560
there's there was this attraction from him, Like I'm saying,
1649
01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:24.399
a seven year old kid, and you know, he's not
1650
01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:26.760
an architect. That's what I'm saying, is not like I
1651
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:28.439
want to be an architect, and that house has a
1652
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:31.880
design that just fascinates me. And that wasn't it. Whatever
1653
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:37.239
there was about this house reached out to him even
1654
01:39:37.239 --> 01:39:40.600
as a child, which is not that's normally kids, like
1655
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:48.479
I said, don't don't have any preference that way. And again,
1656
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:51.840
the coincidences or whether you want to call him, synchronous
1657
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:56.079
cities where he right at the appropriate time that he's
1658
01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:59.119
able to buy the house. You know, he has a family,
1659
01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:03.359
he has his married it comes up for sale. And
1660
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:05.119
by the way, because I'm not going to give you
1661
01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:07.319
the entire book of it, it's a three hundred and
1662
01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:09.119
something pagebook. There's a lot, I'm not going to give
1663
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:13.840
everything away. But he really thought that because this is
1664
01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:17.960
a large house, he really thought that it was going
1665
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.479
to be beyond their means to purchase his houses. Like, yeah,
1666
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:22.399
it's great, it's for sale, but yeah, good luck on
1667
01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:24.359
getting it. And it turned out, yeah, he got it.
1668
01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.680
He made an offer to the owner and the guy
1669
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:35.399
said yeah, and you know, like everything else, and I
1670
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:40.239
remembered one time and this is not the same thing.
1671
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:44.239
It's not paranormal. But I'm saying that sometimes you know
1672
01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.039
you want to get and I'm going to use the
1673
01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.319
example of a house and you throw it out there
1674
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.600
and you're thinking, well, what's the worst thing can happen.
1675
01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:53.319
I'm going to get the big fat know that I
1676
01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:55.880
already know is probably coming my way. Same thing, this
1677
01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.439
was many many years ago, is in the eighties, and
1678
01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:01.920
we were going out up there. This was the edge
1679
01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:04.039
of Miami. They were building a lot of brandy houses
1680
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:06.560
up We were like right on top of the Everglads.
1681
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:08.119
This is the middle of nowhere. What I mean nowhere
1682
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.600
like out there there was basically we were surrounded by
1683
01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:15.680
agricultural fields and they had this and we were debating
1684
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:17.560
did we want to go and get something new built
1685
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.279
because we had already gone through that new where it
1686
01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:22.960
takes some forever six months, seven months, eight months to
1687
01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:25.199
deliver a house, you know, when you order it being
1688
01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:28.399
built versus something that was already built. So we were
1689
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:31.079
going back and forth and back and forth, and right
1690
01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:33.119
next to the new development that the house would have
1691
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:34.720
had to be built, they had a new one. But
1692
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:38.800
the house was built and it was a three bedroom,
1693
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:41.479
two bat cargo ruge, which is all we need is
1694
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:48.439
And I remember they were asking, I can't remember something,
1695
01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.239
and we were like, hey, you know what we'll offer
1696
01:41:52.680 --> 01:41:56.000
this person. And I remember I spoke to the real
1697
01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:58.359
estate agent for the lady. It was a lady. I
1698
01:41:58.399 --> 01:41:59.680
don't know, if she had other people, I don't know,
1699
01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:05.199
And we offered her like it wasn't that much. It
1700
01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:08.079
was like way but under her asking price. In other words,
1701
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:10.960
she it was she had she had been in that house,
1702
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.199
I want to say a year or less or something
1703
01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:15.880
very small. In other words, she had her margin of
1704
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:17.920
profit on this house. I'm sure, as a matter of fact,
1705
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.920
probably when she paid her commissions on the real estate deal,
1706
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:22.920
she was probably going to be in the whole. How's that?
1707
01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:27.279
So we offered her a lot less, not a lot,
1708
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:31.039
but less than when she was asking for so much,
1709
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:33.039
so that even the real estate says, I don't think
1710
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:36.119
he's going to go for this. I said, well, offered
1711
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:39.000
to a visional real estate agents have to real estate agents.
1712
01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:43.960
Calls us back. Then she goes, she'll take it, and
1713
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.039
we're like, huh, because honestly we thought she was. We
1714
01:42:47.079 --> 01:42:48.680
were going to get laughed because, like I said, we
1715
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:51.079
were kind of teeter retottering whether we wanted a house
1716
01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:54.399
built or new one. Come to find out, I asked
1717
01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:56.640
the real estate agent. I said, that's great, but what's
1718
01:42:57.319 --> 01:43:00.479
what's going on with this? Like they were all in
1719
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:04.439
the house, same thing, like he does, Well, No, what
1720
01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:08.279
happened was I don't remember? She said a few months before,
1721
01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:10.920
like I said she hadn't been in that house. Somebody
1722
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:12.279
had tried to break into the house, and I think
1723
01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:17.079
she was in the house, okay, And this scared her
1724
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.319
so badly as somebody was trying to break into the house,
1725
01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:23.159
that she just wanted out of the house, out of
1726
01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:26.279
the house. Like in other words, this lady didn't care
1727
01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:28.800
if she was going to take a loss on it
1728
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:31.119
and she was going to be in the hole. And
1729
01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:33.000
I said, well, let me think about it. And then
1730
01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:36.680
at that time and my husband we talked about it,
1731
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.079
and we decaid, no, we're going to get our brand
1732
01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:39.560
new house, but we'll go through the pain of that.
1733
01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:41.439
As a matter of fact, we had to end up
1734
01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:45.399
renting another house for a whole year. What it ended
1735
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:47.600
up being a year instead of six months, which is
1736
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:49.159
what they told us. Well that the other house was
1737
01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:52.840
getting built, all right, And I never forgot that. My
1738
01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:56.640
point being this this description that Bob gives where he's
1739
01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:00.560
throwing this this thing out, thinking, well for gonna laugh,
1740
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:03.479
me and my wife out the front door, and they
1741
01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:07.119
took it. And the thing is this that you're so excited.
1742
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:09.479
I imagine that's just me making things up. But I
1743
01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:12.199
imagine that here you you're actually gonna get what you
1744
01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:16.159
want that maybe you don't think twice, like why is that?
1745
01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:19.880
You know, you're because in the book it was a
1746
01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:23.000
significant amount of money, the difference between what these owners
1747
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.359
were asking and what they offered them. All right, almost
1748
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.840
like you're thinking like exactly, like what he's that He
1749
01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:39.199
asked the owner what's wrong? And the owner is telling him, yeah,
1750
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:43.039
we've held mass twice in the house, which by is
1751
01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:46.800
it unusual kind of thing? Like I you know, because
1752
01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:51.279
you're thinking mass like a blessing is talking. That's very typical,
1753
01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:53.960
you know mong Catholics. You know, you move into a
1754
01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:56.520
new house and you ask the parish priest or somebody
1755
01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:58.920
to come and do a blessing on the house. That's different.
1756
01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:05.840
But again, you know, you get you know, it's almost
1757
01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:07.880
like you know, relationship. You meet the bad boy or
1758
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.359
the bad girl and you're so ah, and then you
1759
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.039
overlook all the warning signs like, oh, this is not
1760
01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:16.079
gonna be good. Same thing. You know, you're excited you
1761
01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:18.239
get the property you want, and then you know you
1762
01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:21.560
have all these little signs along the way give you
1763
01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:23.399
a heads up, and you're like, I'm not gonna ignore that.
1764
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.399
I'm gonna ignore that. No, that doesn't mean anything. Later
1765
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:30.359
on you realize, oh, shoot, that's why I was being
1766
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.560
told this this and that'll that's that comment, what that meant?
1767
01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:36.880
And you know what, I'm sure there's people out there
1768
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.159
who have had similar experiences, and I'm not. I mean,
1769
01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:45.199
I know sometimes people buy properties that later on turn
1770
01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.079
out to be like, what a headache this is? This
1771
01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:52.600
has become you know, as a matter of fact. You know,
1772
01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:56.680
because you know in certain especially with real estate, you
1773
01:45:56.720 --> 01:46:01.479
know certain states, hell, you you have to disclose certain things,
1774
01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:05.560
whether it's for example, if it's been flooded before you know,
1775
01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:09.720
the real estate agent they must disclosed this that. There's
1776
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:12.159
another website and I've mentioned that before goal died in
1777
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.119
house or died in home or something like that, which
1778
01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:18.000
you plug an address and it will tell you if
1779
01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:21.239
anybody has died in the house, not like die, but
1780
01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.439
not died in the sense of like that the owner
1781
01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:27.680
that lived or died, but that there's been some type
1782
01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:32.439
of crime or some type of murder or something that
1783
01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:37.439
will how's this that will stigmatize a property? And I
1784
01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:39.760
think the reason why they do that is that you think, well,
1785
01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.119
people in that city or that county or that area
1786
01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:44.199
will be familiar. But what if you have a buyer
1787
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.479
that comes in out of state. We're just out of
1788
01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:51.279
the area and they have no idea that this whatever
1789
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:55.079
it was, played out in that house and they buy it,
1790
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:56.920
and then later on they're told, yeah, you know, that's
1791
01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:58.439
the way they murdered five people.
1792
01:46:58.560 --> 01:46:58.600
What.
1793
01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:05.319
But the other end of that is, even with hauntings now,
1794
01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:11.039
there's certain states that require or a disclosure to be done,
1795
01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:16.159
you know, if a house has a reputation along those lines.
1796
01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:21.079
My point being that, remember, when they're doing this transaction
1797
01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:26.560
is before the advent of reality shows, which I'm thinking,
1798
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:28.680
by the way, there's a lot of people out there,
1799
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:35.039
a lot of homeowners that I think they don't even
1800
01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:37.960
they don't even call it a paranormal team or even
1801
01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:42.279
even the clergy, because they're thinking, the last thing I want,
1802
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:44.760
Like I said, their solution to the problem is I'm
1803
01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:47.239
out of here, and the last thing I want is
1804
01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:49.439
for somebody. You know, I don't want anybody to think
1805
01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:52.239
or know that we've got stuff going on here. And
1806
01:47:52.359 --> 01:47:55.239
by the way, they don't care if whoever buys a house,
1807
01:47:55.319 --> 01:47:57.159
you deal with it. Whatever it was that we're dealing
1808
01:47:57.199 --> 01:48:00.279
with you deal with it. In other words, nobody has
1809
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:02.359
like the you know how Bob is saying, you know,
1810
01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:06.279
my conscience wouldn't let me, like what would happen to
1811
01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:09.840
whoever follows? And especially as long the longer he was there,
1812
01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:14.720
the darker it got. There's a lot of people that
1813
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.680
won't even have a paranormal investigation done on their properties
1814
01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:21.279
because they're like, at some point in time, they come
1815
01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:25.000
to this decision that they're out of there, and like
1816
01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:28.239
I said, they sell the house for little, very little money,
1817
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.159
or maybe not as much as they could make. Sometimes
1818
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:33.479
they don't. Sometimes they make their money, but they're like,
1819
01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:35.680
in other words, maybe their plans were not to move out.
1820
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:37.000
You know.
1821
01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:41.560
You know, sometimes you find it you go into this house,
1822
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:45.319
a lot of nice renovations have been done to the
1823
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:49.119
house where and I'm not talking about renovations like curbo
1824
01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:50.760
peel like, oh we're going to flip the house. I'm
1825
01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:53.720
talking about renovations that people do to their house when
1826
01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:58.079
they're planning to stay there and all of a sudden
1827
01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:02.000
they're like out of there. I'm not gonna say all
1828
01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:05.199
the time, but a lot of times that is the
1829
01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.439
the what that you know, like a like an Harry
1830
01:49:10.479 --> 01:49:12.880
Potter that that shall never be named, he shall never Well,
1831
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:16.439
this is the scenario that will never be named, which is,
1832
01:49:16.479 --> 01:49:18.399
we've got a haunting going on and we're not gonna
1833
01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:21.479
call no paranormal team or nobody to come in here
1834
01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:25.279
and do anything because we're out of here. Yeah, but
1835
01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:27.720
we know we paid this for the marble blah blah
1836
01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:31.800
and this. I don't care. We're out of here and
1837
01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:35.960
that's it. That's it. And if they're a real estate agent,
1838
01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:38.279
sometimes and like I said, it depends on the juris,
1839
01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:43.039
on the different states of different rules, they'll just say, no, nothing,
1840
01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:49.000
there's a nice house. Oh, nothing's ever happened here. I mean,
1841
01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:52.760
come on, that's what I had to love what he
1842
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.960
calls up the old the priority goes, let's get together
1843
01:49:56.039 --> 01:50:00.720
and talk about it. I was like, of course not.
1844
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:04.319
This man's never what you think. He's gonnah this close
1845
01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:08.159
to you. You know what he knew was there, and
1846
01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:11.399
he like, let you guys walk into it. Not everybody's
1847
01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:16.880
a bob. And by the way, I know that he
1848
01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:18.960
was saying about that that house was meant for him.
1849
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:25.840
And think about this. When they bought that house, they
1850
01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:31.279
were like, ugh, a typical family for kids, like nineteen eighties,
1851
01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.239
he gets his dream house, but whatever, it's a typical
1852
01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:40.840
family in the sense of and then you know, time
1853
01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:44.159
goes by and all these things are occurring and they're
1854
01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:47.039
trying to deal with it. But at the end it's
1855
01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:52.479
a regular family and they're fighting against it, and he
1856
01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:55.560
asks for the help of the church or whatever. The processes.
1857
01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:58.079
You have to read the book, But can you imagine
1858
01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:01.319
if that house would have fallen into the wrong hands,
1859
01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:07.199
And by this I mean somebody with a dark personality
1860
01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:15.000
or somebody with a dark agenda, or just the It's like, Bob,
1861
01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:17.920
maybe your purpose, if he listens to this, must be
1862
01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:21.159
going to That's that it. The purpose of your attraction
1863
01:51:21.319 --> 01:51:23.720
to this house all along was that you were going
1864
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:27.239
to be the stopgap. You were the one that was
1865
01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:33.000
going to prevent maybe some dark personality, whether it was
1866
01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:35.520
a serial killer or just somebody that's dark or bad,
1867
01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:39.119
or even somebody that would have been into occult, really
1868
01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:43.199
dark occult stuff. You were the one that your presence here,
1869
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:46.960
even though it's cost him dearly, I think, was the
1870
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.039
one that stopped that from that house falling into the
1871
01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:59.880
hands of somebody that was because it sounds like an
1872
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.640
I don't know the exact but it sounds like the
1873
01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:05.199
family that was ever before. I don't think I never
1874
01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:08.439
got the impression they were just like, in other words,
1875
01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:11.720
if their conscience bothered them about selling the house to
1876
01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:14.239
somebody and not letting them out, it was like, we'll
1877
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:16.920
deal with it, but it's better than staying here. But
1878
01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:18.960
I don't think they sound like they were bad people,
1879
01:52:19.279 --> 01:52:24.319
like nefarious or Satanists or nothing like that. There is
1880
01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:26.560
maybe who knows what was going on with them, But
1881
01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:30.000
can you imagine that house falling into the wrong hands?
1882
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:36.800
Whoa whoa? Okay, talk about putting gasoline on a fire.
1883
01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:42.079
That would have amplified it vice versa, because it would
1884
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:45.520
have been an exchange fueled whatever was there and whatever
1885
01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:50.760
whoever came to live there being fueled, dominated, possessed, whatever
1886
01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:53.520
you want to call it. Further, who knows by what
1887
01:52:53.720 --> 01:53:00.920
was there? Yeah, yes, yes, exactly, That's what I'm talking about.
1888
01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.439
Maybe his you know, he was the right person because
1889
01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:07.199
he's the kind of person obviously he's stuck it out.
1890
01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:11.960
He stuck it out. He didn't let whatever was going
1891
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on run him out, you know, And like I said, yeah,
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I've read again. I'm not going to go into it
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because I think the book deserves to be read. You know,
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the if you look at the book, the story hows
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this from the outside, you didn't think, okay, well, it's
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a family that moves into a house and it turns
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out that the house is haunted and it's haunted by
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demon Okay, yeah, but when you read the book you
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realize that it's almost like a detective mystery story again
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because unlike what you see in Hollywood, where everything, you know,
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the problem, everything resolves itself in a week. You know,
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the family moves in there and then everything goes sideways,
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and then everything happens in a week, and then the
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priest comes, blesses and boops, and it's over a week later,
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a two weeks. When you read the actual book, it
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tells you how incrementally all these different things were happening
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and how they were dealt with. And remember, most people
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that are going through these experiences, your first reaction is
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disbelief or oh, my imagination is running away with me,
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or no, that was the wind, or no that was
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you know. In other words, you write it off as whatever,
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and it's only later on through things happening, the repetition
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and things getting that you realize, wait a minute, but
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that only takes time. Only takes time for it to
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play out that way. And let me tell you something,
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And the worst part is not that the house in
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and of itself was haunted, because like he said, like
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when he I had to laugh when he says, oh,
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you know, I went to this place and they tell
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me it's haunted, I was like, okay, who cares? Like
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in other words, this was not a dead person, you know,
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like you know, when you come to the realization that
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like he was saying, that it's not it's just not
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the haunted house for the old guy that lived here
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and is he's still knocking around. No, no, no, no,
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when you get to that point, that realization that whatever
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is there is intelligent, manipulative and non human. Yeah, okay,
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that right there is where you know, what is it?
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What's that saying? You see the differentiate from the men
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to the boys or whatever. It's like right there, right
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when you realize this is not like, oh, it's a
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haunted house where you know you hear like, yeah, you hear.
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Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot of
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scary things attached to just a regular old haunting, But
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a lot of times things of that nature are resolved
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more easily and completely versus what he's describing, especially when
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you realize what are the origins will cause it because
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you think, Okay, how does this house, how does this
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happen in a house? How does this come about? Why?
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And that's what he explains in the book when he
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starts doing his own investigation as to why this is
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happening in that house in particular. So, yeah, it's very,
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very very interesting. So I heard you get the book,
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and I'm like, I said, I'm sure there's a lot
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of people out there that are familiar with Bob Cranmer's
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story before that. But anyway, don't forget to sign up
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for my newsletter on substack. Go to Mppelaster dot com.
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I have a link there. Go to Miami ghost Chronicles
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dot com. I have links to everything there or stories
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of the supernatural, that info. It's all. I'll just have
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his different tabs. You go to Erie dot news. I
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have podcasts about that and Stranger than Fiction stories. Have
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articles there, just weird little articles, some older stuff. Same thing.
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I was reading one of my the you know the
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true crime. Like I said, this thing now with the DNA.
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As a matter of fact, I was reading today. They
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found this was a young guy. He was a Vietnam VET,
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a very young Vietnam VET. And there was which, by
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the way, I hadn't heard of this killer God Oregon
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and northern California around the seventies was God almighty. It
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looked like it was like every serial killer came out
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of that area. And I know people go, hey, hey,
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but anyway, there was a serial killer that ended up
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getting called the score card killer and his prey his
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preference were young men, young teenage boys or young men
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in their twenties. And he was called the score card
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killer because I believe they found where he had a
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list and like everything, and I've mentioned that before they
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found these remains. This was an Oregon I think it
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was Highway five the week before they have found some
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remains and same thing. They couldn't they They put out
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they didn't match any missing person's report. They tried to
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match him up to like, hey, does anybody know because
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I don't think he would you know who this person is.
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I'm not sure how soon after he was dead because
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remember the sooner they find somebody after their deceased, the
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better they can do. If it's a fresh person. This
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sketch is very true to what they look like versus
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when its skeletal remains or something. And then they have
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to like kind of guess what the person looks like.
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And you look at some of these sketches, especially from
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the seventies, they're like, God, almighty, shoot, this doesn't look anything.
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But anyway, bottom line, nobody could match up this kid
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or this person. They didn't know it was a kid,
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they didn't know who it was. And last week or
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about a month ago, they finally threw DNA. They matched
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them up to this guy who was a Vietnam bat
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and the family had lost touch with him. But they
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had from what I understand that lost touch with him
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because he had been killed. I guess he had grown
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distant from his family. And I don't know what the
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particulars are about how that took place. So again, and
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I mentioned another times like you know, when you're ready
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that distant and when this person falls off the face
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of the earth and the family's really like left, Well,
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this is what happened. And he was this young guy
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twenty two or twenty three and that's it. He's gone.
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And now they finally identified him afterwards at forty something
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years that those were his remains, and down the road
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of the week before that had found that this victim
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of the same guy. I believe the oh God, that
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the gentleman he is a and I'm I'm being nice
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when I say gentleman. I could call him something else.
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But there was got Craft. That was his last name, Craft,
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Randy Stephen Kraft. And he was in a marrying serial
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killer and rapist known as the Scorecard Killer and the
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Southern California Strangler and the freeway Killer. Wow, I didn't
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know he was. And he's still alive. He was born
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in nineteen forty five. And you know what's really funny.
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You take a look. You take a look at his
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pictures of his mugshots. Okay, and you know you know
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how sometimes they say evil looks a certain way and
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sometimes it doesn't. Let me said, okay, you guys can
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see this here. Okay, there you go. This guy doesn't
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look bad. Well, now he's old, but this is him.
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You see this guy walking around and he could be
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your TV repairman. He could be you know, just he's
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so happy. He looks content in jail, doesn't he. All Right,
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look at him, I mean, this guy, he has the
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kind of face with that smile that you have a
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black robe with one of those collars, and he could
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pass for a priest anyway. Yeah, they're still they're still
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identifying as victims, you know, And at this point, I'm
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sure it doesn't really matter because he I don't think
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he's getting out of prison anytime soon. And from what
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they're saying that they know of, then technically he was
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found for the rape, torture, murder of at least sixteen
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young men, but they believe that it could be as
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much as sixty. And again that's a guestimate. All right,
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that's a guestimate. Get into my original point. That's that's
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that's a truly evil person. Now, can you imagine a
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craft type of person, man or woman moving into a place,
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into a house like where Bob lived, with what was
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in there, with that entity, that demon there? Can you
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imagine what would have happened? And for all I know,
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I mean I don't know the background this craft. I
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mean I have heard of these killers, but I didn't
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know that they all overlapped like the Golden Gate that basically,
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it turns out what they think are different killers, it
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turns out to be one. I don't know what it's
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familial background is, it's family of origin and what happened
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with this guy. But can you imagine somebody like that
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with that personality living or somehow other acquiring occupying a house.
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Oh that's a scary thought. So anyway, guys, again, don't
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forget links to everything, whether it's the video version, whether
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it's the podcast version of any of the shows, any
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of this series, including stories of the Supernatural, You're going
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to find them on the website. The only advantage to
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that is that the podcast versions, if you want to
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listen to them on the browser or download the MP
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three files from my website, you don't have to deal
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with commercial interruptions. If you go through any of the
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podcasts like I'm Anywhere everywhere, I'm on Apple pod podcasts,
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some on iHeartRadio, all of them. Just look for stories
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of the Supernatural, nightge Diary, Aerie News, or Supernatural storytelling.
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You're going to find me there. I've got a lot
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of great guests, a lot of great guests coming on
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new ones new you know, and I still bring back
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my old guests because they still got things to talk
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about until next time. Take care, and you are all wonderful.