A Brush With Jesus In His NDE- with Dr. Laurence Brock

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Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another episode of Grief to Growth and the day I've got with me Dr Lawrence Brock.
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Dr Brock has a doctor of spiritual science.
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He has a postgraduate degree in advanced ministerial counseling.
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He's also an ardent minister, a certified polarity therapist and a fully accredited advanced biofeedback practitioner.
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He had a near-death experience following a horrific car accident in 1976.
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And in his experience he went into heaven.
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He saw Jesus and he tapped into an all-knowing and loving God.
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He came two, three days later spiritually at work with the ability to heal, a strong belief that everything is alright and good and a new mission in life.
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So over for over 35 years he's had successful practice as a counselor, as an energy healer and as a spiritual intuit.
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He says of his journey in learning to heal has been a journey of self-discovery and spiritual awareness.
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He had the great opportunity to study with some world-renowned mystical teachers from many traditions who've assisted in further awakening a special healing ability within him.
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So with that I want to welcome to Grief to Growth Dr Brock.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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It's nice to be here.
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Yeah, I'm glad to have you here.
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Before we get started here by Jurexperience, I'd like to know more about some of your background.
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What's a doctorate in spiritual science?
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It is kind of what it sounds like.
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It's basically applying the scientific method to spiritual things.
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Part of the program was so I have a master's and a doctorate which for six years I had a track pretty much everything I was doing.
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Like you know.
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We had these sheets and when you wake up you'd make a note of what time you woke up and then you know how many hours you slept, you kind of rate your sleep and how much exercise, how much meditation, how much water.
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By the end there were like 50 things on the list to keep track of.
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And then you, in a scientific way, you go well, you try to look at the patterns there and you know it's like, if this, then this, then you write a treatise on that.
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So I was looking at spiritual experiences.
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There were some emotions to track.
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There was one called Hidden Talents.
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There was a time we had to keep track of what we were looking at, in a way to honor yourself in what you were actually doing physically, but also to tune in things spiritually.
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So it'd be one month focus on what you see and what you look at, one, what you hear and what you listen to.
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One is what your feelings are and how you're directing your feelings.
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And then at the end I wrote a paper that took me many years to write because I finished my schooling and I graduated about 10 years later, partially because my daughter was born right around then and I start focusing on her a lot.
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Part of the instructions were to write something you were passionate about, and I started a few subjects and things I'm passionate about.
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But then, when my passion would wane a little bit, I thought this isn't the right thing.
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At some point I realized I was going to have to work through that time, when I wasn't totally feeling it 100%, if I wanted to graduate.
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So I did that.
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Okay, well, thank you for sharing that.
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So we studied meditation, we studied all sorts of spiritual things.
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Okay, so, and this was, of course, after your experience, your near-death experience, which was in 1976, correct.
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Yeah, so my bio makes it sound all simple and easy.
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Yeah.
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It was a process.
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So first of all, it was in 1976, so no internet.
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I had never heard of a near-death experience.
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I read some spiritual books when I was a little younger than that, like in high school autobiography of a yogi.
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I read Herman Hess books and I didn't really think of those as real people doing that and I had my experience and I knew that it happened but I had no idea what to think about it and it took a while of learning and I've kind of learned that that not knowing has been a very important part of my spiritual growth.
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Because one thing is in spirit there are a lot of things we can't really know in our mind.
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The other part of it is it's just really being open to learning when you don't know something.
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Interesting, interesting.
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So if you would tell me about your experience, Okay, so I was at the time.
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So I live in the Northeast of the United States and this is in New Jersey, but I grew up in a little bit north of New York City.
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At the time, though, I was living out in Colorado, working in a restaurant, drinking a lot, partying, sleeping late, working late, and my roommate in Colorado was also a friend of mine from high school, and we drove back east to visit our parents.
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Our parents were, and we drove straight through, so it's 1800 miles, and we got there early in the morning.
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We each went to our houses, and I even was wondering just the other day how did we find out there was a party?
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Like now with texting and everything online, you're connected to everyone.
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Back then it was very different, but we found out about a party, we went to it.
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We drove back in his car, a 280Z, very fast kind of fun car to drive.
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So we met at the party.
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I drove my mom's little bobcat and there was drinking, smoking pot, other fun drugs to do.
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That I definitely don't do anymore in my life.
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So during the party I kind of liked the girl who was having the party, and I came up with a plan.
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I'm going to pretend I'm drunker than I thought I was and tell her I need to leave my car there so I could go back the next day and talk to her, pick up my car.
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So I had my friend drive me to my parents' house.
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When we were almost back there I realized my sister needed the car the next day and I said to my friend you got to take me back.
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And he of course protested.
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I explained, I explained my plan to him and he understood.
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So I went back to the party.
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I went in to tell the young lady that I was taking my car and I do remember doing that.
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I'd have to yell because the music was so loud.
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I remember walking toward the door like crowded, like you'd have to go through the crowd.
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There's music, everyone's dancing and I have glimpses of walking.
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I don't remember actually walking out the door.
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I have a glimpse of walking on the pathway out to my car and then I don't remember anything until I was out of my body in the white light, all or white all around me, and the car was down there, smashed.
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My body was leaning against the tree, my legs were straight out, my body was against a tree and there was a police officer crouching over me, behind me.
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And the spiritual, mystical part is, even when I think of it now, I get kind of shaky inside in a nice way.
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So it was all white light.
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There was a different shade of white light, a big circle behind me and within that circle there was a full silhouette, a full body outline of a person.
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That was just all white.
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You know, there was like a drawing, and there was all different shades of white radiating off of that, with a little bit of gold in there.
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I don't know how long it was.
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It didn't seem like it was just one instant, but it didn't seem like some people say they were there for years.
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It didn't seem like that either.
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And then, but the feeling part of it was what really impressed me and it was just this feeling of love, feeling of warmth, and any of these, even using words, doesn't explain it, because it's like there's a thought there and this was more just knowing, in a way that there was no need to know, like it was just this yes, this is the way things are.
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And the being behind me said you have to go back, your father wants you to stay and you know, sometimes people say did you have a choice to stay there?
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I didn't even think of that, like everything just seemed so right that I just went back into my body and came to three days later in the hospital.
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So you said this figure behind you.
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Did you see the figure?
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I did, but I was facing this way, so I don't, you know.
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At some point someone said you could see behind you.
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I don't, it wasn't like I could see behind me, it's just like all of this I knew.
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So, I knew that was behind me.
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It wasn't like I turned my head or had eyes on the back of my head.
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It was just like something that I knew.
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Okay, and at the point where the figure is speaking with you, you're looking at your body.
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Is that correct?
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Yes, okay.
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And what were your thoughts about your body at that time?
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Everything seemed fine, like, even though I saw it it didn't.
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It wasn't like upsetting at all, it was um, it was just like everything made sense Everything in the world, my life, everything, everything, everything.
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But even saying that is not quite it, because it's like you're saying how were you with seeing your body?
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It wasn't even a doubt, it wasn't like I thought, oh, my head's cracked open, but it's okay, it just, everything was okay.
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Okay and um, so you were there and then you were.
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You said you, you were sent back to your body, but you didn't recover for like three days.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah, three days, yeah, I kind of have a couple of memories of almost coming to, but it's just like seeing nurses or whatever moving around.
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It wasn't very conscious.
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My verbal and mental understanding didn't happen until after I started meeting.
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So something that happened was I did start meeting a lot of spiritual people.
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A lot of them, most of them, have had near-death experiences and at the time I didn't even know that.
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Again, that term, I hope like now it's a thing you know what I mean Like people know about it.
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It wasn't like I knew about this experience at all.
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Yeah, I think Raymond Moody's book Life After Life came out like 1978.
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And so it was really after that that a bit you know term near-death experience became part of the culture.
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Right, it was around that time, but even then I mean, I didn't even I didn't realize how cool this was until a couple of years ago.
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So I was in I, when I was healthy enough, I went back to Colorado for a little while.
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Then my mom kind of convinced me and bribed me to come back to the Northeast and I wasn't really sure what to do with my life.
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I was working in a restaurant.
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It was fun but it wasn't very fulfilling.
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And she bought me a new house and I was like I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife.
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And she bought me a new car with it, you know, bribing me to move back to the Northeast and go into business with my dad.
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One day after work I was sitting in my apartment and someone knocks on the door and I open it and there was this beautiful woman there and she told me she was the sister of a friend of mine from Colorado, one of the people that I mentioned my experience to, again not using the term near death experience but, so this woman said to me my sister told me some really cool things about you.
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Actually, she didn't say I used the word cooler.
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She said some interesting things about you and then she told me she knew someone who teaches about what happens after we die.
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And then she wanted to introduce me to him.
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So I was, you know, before that I had my near death experience, but it was like so who cares, I have to go to work, you know, make some money, and stuff like that.
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And she gave me one of his books and talked to me about him and he ended up being a Sufi shake who was Islamic.
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The Sufis are the mystical sect of the Islamic religion and then I spent like the next 10 years of my life studying with him.
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But when he started to talk to me, that's when it started to kind of make sense.
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So he first, he actually.
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So actually the first thing was I talked to him on the phone and he it was kind of like small talk.
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It was pretty funny because I thought he was going to ask me questions and stuff like this, but he didn't.
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And he sent me a remedy the next day.
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He's overnighted it and I took this remedy and I had read his book and there was a little stuff about remedies in there and about all these amazing experiences people have.
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After taking him.
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I took the first dose.
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Nothing happened, you know, and but the second dose, I took it within, you know, within very quickly I had a really high fever after that and he had talked in his book about how it was burning off the dross like the necessarily things in there, and so that was my first experience with him and I was a little afraid because my fever was dangerously high.
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But I was kind of also excited because to me it was like something out of a science fiction book and I love.
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When I finally got to meet him in person, he started to talk to me first about Mary and as soon as he said Mary's name was like whoa that and he would say how amazing Mary was, that she was open to receive the Christ energy.
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And when she said that ago, oh, that's what I felt in my near death experience.
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Then he started to talk about Jesus and that's when I knew Jesus was the being behind me in my near death experience.
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So I had no idea what to think of it.
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So when you, when you came to and you remember yeah, this memory, did it feel real to you, did it seem like it might be a dream, what were your thoughts about what had happened to you?
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I did not think it was a dream at all.
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I knew it had happened.
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But then there's a part of what do you do with that?
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You know what I mean.
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Like what do you do with people in the world who, as I mentioned I mean the autobiography of the Yogi is a real book about a real person.
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But to me, you know, the books and the fictional things were my reference for that.
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So, it's been a process and again, that part is very important because I'm still in that process of I have no idea and I'm still in that process of growing and learning and discovering what these things are.
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Even maybe about six months ago, I all of a sudden got this flash of the image in my near death experience and I got a whole lot of more information, mostly about meditating, and I even said to myself oh man, I knew this all these years but I didn't quite get it.
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So it's, the process of unfolding is just very important for me.
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Yes, well, I've heard that people that have near death experiences, it can take years or decades to integrate them and to recall everything that you knew when they're there.
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So it sounds like it is an unfolding process.
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Yes.
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And so when you came back, did you have any, any abilities that?
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Were there any physical changes with you?
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Was it, did you ever a miraculous recovery?
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I felt like I recovered pretty quickly.
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I didn't associate that with my experience, though they're my intuition.
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Definitely increased the my hands, and still do, pretty much when I touch them on, become warm very quickly.
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So that is some physical thing that I noticed.
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But the thing of meeting people is perhaps I mean, it's all again, but I didn't think like right away, oh, healing my hands get warm.
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You know, it's like I never, you know, I would think about what I do now.
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Then I think, oh man, he's crazy.
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So were you on?
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What was your career path at that time?
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I imagine you were.
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Were you in college or just out of college?
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I was out of college I had been a chef for a little while and then I went to be in my dad's electrical contract and company and you know it's something I done a lot when I was young, like in the summer and stuff like that.
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So it was kind of easy, it was lucrative and there was a lot of it was office work, doing estimates, purchasing, and these were for like big jobs, you know, supermarkets, yeah it's.
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There was a bit of a conflict and luckily the part, my spiritual part in me has just been so persistent that I couldn't ignore it, even though it'd be easier to ignore it.
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Sure, so how long did it take you to move into more of the healing space?
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Well, it took me a few years.
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I started well.
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I sometimes say my near-death experience was a whack in the head to get me on track.
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So a few years later I had another much smaller car accident where I didn't even really get hurt.
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A woman ran through a red light and I just swerved out of the way.
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I woke up the next morning my shoulder and lower back were just tight as could be.
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It wasn't like from something being banged, it was just from stress.
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So I had been working a lot.
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I hadn't taken a vacation in longer than I should.
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I went to Vermont and visited someone who another Sufi person and he introduced me to polarity therapy.
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So I had this great session.
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So polarity therapy is a very gentle, similar to acupressure, but much more gentle, where you're just basically holding certain point, usually two points on the body.
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I just had this profound experience because my body was kind of beat up from my near-death experience.
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I was in my early 20s but still I felt old.
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After this I had flashbacks from my childhood, all this stuff, and actually got off the table.
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I was going to complain that it was so short because she said it'd be an hour.
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I looked at the clock before I said something.
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It was three hours.
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Oh wow.
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Then she said to me I know someone near where you live who does this.
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It'd be good if you had some follow-up sessions.
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So I did, and after a few sessions she said she's teaching a class.
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I started taking this class in polarity and it was a way I could actually use what had happened with my hands to heal people.
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Okay, that was the first thing, and I did it for a hobby for a while, and one day I realized I'm sick of arguing with men about money and the construction business, so I want to start my practice.
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Okay, so you do polarity therapy and I think you have some other modalities.
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You're working as well, right?
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Yes, I don't do polarity therapy too much anymore because I don't work with people in person.
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There are a few of the.
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I think they're called manipulations because it was actually invented by a chiropractor but they're not manipulating like a chiropractor does.
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If I do work on people in person, there's some of the things I've integrated into what I do.
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Mostly now I work via video or sometimes on phone.
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So, yes, it was this process of studying of.
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So right away, the Sufi Sheikh said to me you're a sensitive, which I knew wasn't an insult, which might sound to a man as an insult, because he said that his teacher, in his book he wrote, called him a sensitive.
00:23:23.871 --> 00:23:27.514
And so it was being sensitive to energy, to spiritual things.
00:23:28.545 --> 00:23:32.074
So I did the polarity therapy for a while, kind of as a hobby.
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Then doing gradually, doing it more, I started to learn other healing modalities.
00:23:37.834 --> 00:23:40.252
I studied deep connective tissue massage.
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I studied electronic devices, so the advanced biofeedback is from that.
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But now what I do is I talk to people like this on video and I learned how to bring in the spiritual light, the energy and love and healing from my near-death experience and more actually.
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And so there's other energies that are similar and just help people with pretty much anything.
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It's great, it is the coolest thing in the world.
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I'm still amazed at what I can do.
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It's really great.
00:24:14.065 --> 00:24:20.064
So do you feel like did something after your experience where the incidences that led you?
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I know you said you met people.
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Were there other things that led you to where you are today?
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Yes, yes.
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So one big thing that happened was my next door neighbor, so, and his grandfather was very sick and I was talking to his father and he was telling me and I said I would pray for him.
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And I did pray for him and I felt something happen Again, feeling that energy of my near-death experience coming in.
00:24:49.784 --> 00:24:51.391
But I knew something happened.
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And then I saw the father again a few days later.
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He said I think something happened because the grandfather went from he was about to pass away like any second to living for months longer, and that was pretty cool.
00:25:04.828 --> 00:25:08.192
A lot of little things like that happened.
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I did study, spend as much time as I could with the Sufi shake.
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I also did a lot of reading, and so he was a Mevlavi shake and they follow the teachings of Jalaluddin Rumi.
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So Rumi, the poet, who people read poems, have written these volumes of books.
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They're very spiritual, and so I studied that.
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I just studied a lot.
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I mean, again, the not knowing has really served me because I really wanted to learn.
00:25:39.337 --> 00:25:44.916
I had some direct experiences with the Sufi shake that were just magical.
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One.
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He was teaching this sacred geometry class in St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City and I told him I wanted to go and he said well, you don't, really, all the other students have been studying for a while, you won't understand it.
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And I said I still want to go.
00:26:03.971 --> 00:26:14.604
And he said well, you can come there and be like my assistant and so, but basically that was, you know, carrying his briefcase, organizing the papers, sweeping the floor, stuff like that.
00:26:14.604 --> 00:26:21.424
And during one of the breaks I was sweeping the floor, he said come on here into my office.
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And when I think of that I have a fondness, because he was always joking around.
00:26:26.944 --> 00:26:28.224
He did not have an office.
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You know, people say that a lot, but that was.
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He would joke around a lot.
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And he said here, give me your hands.
00:26:35.744 --> 00:26:41.427
And he squeezed my hands in his and he goes there, you go there, you got it.
00:26:41.427 --> 00:26:42.671
And I said what?
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What are you talking about?
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And then he said no, give me your hands again, he said, and he squeezed me.
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So there, you got it.
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And so I was trying to ask him what did I get?
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What did it mean?
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And, like most of the time, he just didn't answer me or he would say you don't need to know that.
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But I noticed after that my hands even got more warm, I would feel the energy more in my body than I did, so that was a very cool experience too.
00:27:08.323 --> 00:27:09.824
But there's a bunch of them like that.
00:27:09.824 --> 00:27:16.197
I mean just some mystical, magical things that I've been blessed to be able to experience.
00:27:19.083 --> 00:27:24.903
So when you were in your experience and you said you experienced Jesus, you realized I guess later it was Jesus.
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Yes, what was your religious background before that?
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What were your thoughts about Jesus?
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Yeah, no, nothing.
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I was born in a Jewish family, so Jesus was not even starting to think about to me, but as soon as he said that I knew.
00:27:41.467 --> 00:27:49.871
So, it's not like religious at all, it's not like that's against being Jewish.
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I mean, he was an Islamic teacher too.
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So when I think about it it's kind of interesting and funny in a certain way.
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But there's just no doubt it wasn't like oh, this is not Jewish, or this is Jewish, or this is Christian, or anything like that.
00:28:07.961 --> 00:28:10.769
Well, you know, Jesus wasn't a Christian.
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.224
Jesus was Jewish yeah.
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:19.131
And I know another guy that had a New-Earth experience at the age of three and saw Jesus.
00:28:19.131 --> 00:28:23.810
So it's not uncommon for people who are not Christians to see Jesus.
00:28:23.810 --> 00:28:28.950
So what are your thoughts now, in all these decades later, about the person of Jesus?
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Well, I know Jesus is a real being in spirit, but so is Moses and Abraham and Muhammad.
00:28:38.373 --> 00:28:46.910
So, yes, I had my New-Earth experience.
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Was really a big shift, but I've dedicated my life to this, so studying with different teachers and developing the skills so I can see things spiritually for people and there's no division in the spirit.
00:29:00.648 --> 00:29:04.770
It's not like Jesus and Moses are up there fighting with each other.
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They're on the same team, working together, basically.
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So, but I do.
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I go to a unity church, that is definitely you know.
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They talk about Christ a lot.
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So in that way, I would say I'm more Christian than Jewish, because that's what I it's.
00:29:22.694 --> 00:29:32.169
Sometimes, when people ask me about my religion, I'll say, well, I'm no religion, but sometimes I'll say, well, I'm all religions, because I don't really believe in that stuff.
00:29:32.439 --> 00:29:38.292
And I don't really believe, but I know a lot of really spiritual people that are very religious.
00:29:38.292 --> 00:29:47.707
So I'm not saying I think the core essence of those religions we're talking about are all the same and loving and be good to people, do good.
00:29:47.707 --> 00:29:49.411
You know all that.
00:29:50.879 --> 00:30:04.092
Yeah, I think that the core of all religions are basically the same too, and I think it's really interesting that you know Christianity has tried to lay claim on Jesus, but I know people who've been atheists to the scene.
00:30:04.092 --> 00:30:13.990
Jesus, muslims, jesus people were Jewish to have seen Jesus, so there seems to be something special about those being Jesus that shows up in people's experiences.
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Yes.
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Well, he's a very all encompassing light in the spirit, but it's not the thing for everybody, so it's not.
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So I taught this class.
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It was a couple of years ago at a place in Red Bank which is near where I live.
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I was talking to people about this and I kind of say, in the spirit, jesus is like the go to guy.
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But I also say it's not for everybody.
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And I was talking to this woman and she was a white American woman, you know not so, and I said what's you know?
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What do you read?
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I said, do you relate to this?
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She said no.
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I said what do you relate to?
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She said Buddha, and I go wow.
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And usually sometimes people say that and then it doesn't really ring true in them, but with her it did.
00:31:01.284 --> 00:31:02.885
And I go wow, that's interesting.
00:31:02.885 --> 00:31:09.264
So you know she must have some karma, that she was a Buddhist and but I explained this to her.
00:31:09.264 --> 00:31:15.586
I said in Buddhism a lot they're really focusing on quieting the mind, but then there's the part of letting in the spirit.
00:31:15.586 --> 00:31:26.509
And when I said to her that Buddha, buddha's energy, is very similar to Jesus, she like got it and you see her eyes lit up and she let the spirit in and it was so cool.
00:31:26.509 --> 00:31:33.091
So you know, whatever it's kind of like, all roads read lead to Rome.
00:31:33.091 --> 00:31:44.802
So but whatever that path is for you, whatever you feel an affinity towards, an attraction to it within these religions, that's why they're different kind of pathways that all lead to the same place.
00:31:45.503 --> 00:31:46.045
Yeah, thank you.
00:31:46.045 --> 00:31:49.163
Thank you for sharing that, because I do, I know, a lot of times.
00:31:49.163 --> 00:31:56.491
I was just looking at my YouTube channel earlier I comment, and it was a I interviewed a near death experience and his person is like well, what about Jesus?
00:31:56.491 --> 00:32:00.486
He didn't, he didn't mention Jesus, so therefore it can't be a real experience.
00:32:00.907 --> 00:32:11.431
Yeah, well, a lot of it has to do with everything has to do with our karma, which is connected to other lifetimes and the path that our soul has chosen to live in this lifetime.
00:32:11.431 --> 00:32:15.409
So, yeah, it doesn't really matter.
00:32:15.409 --> 00:32:16.321
No, it's.
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However you get there.
00:32:21.303 --> 00:32:41.053
So can you give me some examples of because I know you've got these healing abilities Some people that you worked with that have that have been healed- yes, yeah, not too long ago I was working with someone and, well, a cool thing happened.
00:32:41.179 --> 00:32:50.020
He wrote me an email after a couple of sessions saying he was very much in his head, so he was being very analytical about it, which is fine, but you know.
00:32:50.020 --> 00:32:57.087
But he said my, he had very high blood pressure and he said the last couple of days my blood pressure has been normal.
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He said I think that assigned to do with what you did, which?
00:33:01.626 --> 00:33:12.380
So what I do is really aligning the person with the spirit and calling in the spiritual light, and just sometimes these miraculous things happen.
00:33:16.800 --> 00:33:24.824
As, yeah, there's a this family that I work with, the mother and the daughter and the daughter had been very sick.
00:33:24.824 --> 00:33:30.457
I meant to find out what she was diagnosed with before this interview so I could say it.
00:33:30.457 --> 00:33:41.769
But so basically she could barely get out of the house, she couldn't even drive in a car because her neck was so sensitive, and now she actually just Started.
00:33:41.769 --> 00:33:49.737
She's still doing school up from home, but she just started like she could barely even take a single class at home, and now she started.
00:33:49.737 --> 00:33:52.471
She has five classes this year.
00:33:52.471 --> 00:34:11.992
One is on zoom, the others are more self-paced, but she went to a concert last week she goes to the suit, I mean these normal things that she was not able to go to the supermarket, you know, go out for walks with her mom, get exercise, all these things, and she was basically bedridden before, so that was really nice.
00:34:11.992 --> 00:34:25.512
I, yes, sometimes I think I should think of things before the interview, but it's hard on the spot to come up with examples.
00:34:26.014 --> 00:34:29.246
I know, but I should know it's.
00:34:29.246 --> 00:34:32.335
But so there was a sign happened.
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This was a while ago.
00:34:33.458 --> 00:34:41.271
This woman came to me and she had Arthritis through her whole body, so she was hurting everywhere in her body.
00:34:41.271 --> 00:34:47.144
And as soon as she started to talk to me, I could see there was a native American healing guide with her.
00:34:47.144 --> 00:34:56.851
And I let her talk and talk, but I knew what I needed to do right away and after I said excuse me, but there's this native American healing guide with you.
00:34:56.851 --> 00:35:02.610
And she said I know someone told me about that and I could see she was afraid.
00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:04.233
I said but you don't understand.
00:35:04.233 --> 00:35:05.597
This guide is there to help you.
00:35:05.597 --> 00:35:08.956
And like that her energy field opened up.
00:35:08.956 --> 00:35:10.360
I didn't see her.
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:11.485
I assume her eyes lit up.
00:35:11.485 --> 00:35:14.574
It was on the phone and she goes whoa, the pain is gone.
00:35:14.574 --> 00:35:19.152
Sometimes it's like that more times and not though it.
00:35:19.152 --> 00:35:21.657
There's more than just happening in one second.
00:35:21.657 --> 00:35:23.693
I mean to really be honest about it.
00:35:24.806 --> 00:35:25.427
So it sounds like.
00:35:25.427 --> 00:35:31.914
I mean, that sounds like your abilities go way beyond Polarity therapy or anything physical.
00:35:31.914 --> 00:35:35.972
It's your connection with spirit and you said seeing guides.
00:35:35.972 --> 00:35:38.478
Now, do you have any mediumistic abilities?
00:35:39.485 --> 00:35:41.172
Sometimes yes okay.
00:35:42.284 --> 00:35:44.713
Anything you would ask me, the answer is sometimes so.
00:35:44.713 --> 00:35:47.605
Sometimes people ask me about past loved ones.
00:35:47.605 --> 00:35:48.849
They come to me for that.
00:35:48.849 --> 00:35:50.516
Sometimes I can connect with them.
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I can see what's going on.
00:35:52.324 --> 00:36:17.846
Oh, I mean almost, if someone asked that I can yes, just the other day someone asked me about that, and so part of what happens when people pass away, there's a time it's not really in between, but it is like the person's a little more present physically and then, as time goes by, they become more and more less Physical.
00:36:17.846 --> 00:36:24.545
Let's say so, when someone wants to connect to their past loved one, it's a little more subtle than they would like.
00:36:24.545 --> 00:36:29.998
So but I can guide people through that and a lot of times people can feel it.
00:36:29.998 --> 00:36:37.827
There was a time a little while ago where this woman's husband came in and put his hand on her heart and she was able to feel it.
00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:38.490
Hmm.
00:36:39.151 --> 00:36:42.157
What I can do is kind of hold this energy around people.
00:36:42.157 --> 00:36:54.532
When I'm talking to them, it's directing their mind and Indirectly they're unconscious to open up to this, and when I'm holding that energy there, it's a little easier for people to do that.
00:36:54.532 --> 00:37:02.329
People can train to do it themselves and it takes work and but it's kind of like anything.
00:37:02.329 --> 00:37:04.316
Some people are better at it than other people.
00:37:05.166 --> 00:37:15.331
Yeah I, what you just said there was really interesting, like if you maybe explain a little bit more about that, because I know a lot of people say I Can't really feel my loved one who's passed away.
00:37:15.331 --> 00:37:19.759
I think they're trying to feel something physical and I heard you say it becomes more subtle.
00:37:20.606 --> 00:37:20.827
Yes.
00:37:20.827 --> 00:37:38.500
So the main Clue that is usually for people is to think of their positive qualities and attributes and your love for them and Then try to feel that almost coming in and almost outside of you, and because usually that works for people.
00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:46.862
So there's, there's like, when I'm talking about this, are these beings and spirit that come in?
00:37:46.862 --> 00:37:47.605
I don't know.
00:37:47.605 --> 00:38:00.633
So part of not knowing is really big for me, so sometimes I don't know exactly what it is beyond that, and so my mind then I want to check mentally.
00:38:00.633 --> 00:38:02.659
I'm wondering what are these beings here for?
00:38:02.659 --> 00:38:05.608
And it's like, is it someone for you or is it just some?
00:38:05.608 --> 00:38:09.684
They're here to support this process for people, to get it out in the world.
00:38:11.930 --> 00:38:18.465
So so yeah, because I can say I know people sometimes struggle with, you know, hearing from from their own loved ones.
00:38:18.465 --> 00:38:29.093
Yeah, I know in my experience, because my daughter passed away, you know, eight years ago, and I felt I feel like it's, it's more subtle.
00:38:29.373 --> 00:38:37.695
I guess it's more of a knowing kind of a I like you can say here so for you to understand, though, but it can be right here.
00:38:38.238 --> 00:38:38.458
Mm-hmm.
00:38:38.766 --> 00:38:45.249
There's a certain way you're thinking it's up there and it's like let that come in a little more so you could try to do it right now.
00:38:45.249 --> 00:38:53.472
Actually, just like imagine it's imagining her Almost like an angel coming in and connecting with you.
00:38:53.954 --> 00:38:54.215
Mm-hmm.
00:38:54.576 --> 00:39:01.575
So it is More subtle, but it's here and now also yeah, yeah yeah, really that's really interesting.
00:39:01.730 --> 00:39:05.887
So I'm I also understand you help people with transitioning.
00:39:05.887 --> 00:39:06.651
Is that true?
00:39:06.651 --> 00:39:07.287
Is that correct?
00:39:07.709 --> 00:39:08.553
I have done that.
00:39:08.553 --> 00:39:13.570
There's been times in my practice when I do that a lot there.
00:39:13.570 --> 00:39:28.468
I haven't in a while, but I someone reached the I don't know how long ago it was actually, but it's a couple of years but it was someone who was a friend of mine from childhood, who grew up on the same street as me.
00:39:28.468 --> 00:39:42.032
I was good friends with her brother, both her brothers, and one of her brothers was the best friends with my brother for years, and so she had been sick for quite a while and I wasn't.
00:39:42.032 --> 00:39:49.568
I knew she was in the hospital and probably gonna transition pretty soon but, I, wasn't gonna see her, because I saw her a number of times over the years.
00:39:50.250 --> 00:39:55.332
But it just worked out where something happened where it was like the only choice to do.
00:39:55.332 --> 00:39:55.701
So.
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My daughter she was in, I think, in Brooklyn, in the hospital, and my daughter wanted to go into Manhattan to see a Broadway show with some people and I was okay with her going to the show, but I took her into the city.
00:40:10.209 --> 00:40:18.365
So I had a few hours before the show was over, so, and I looked up the subway to go right to where this woman was in the hospital.
00:40:18.365 --> 00:40:25.413
It was right there, so I got in the subway and went there and I'm really glad that I did so.
00:40:25.413 --> 00:40:27.900
I knew her family from the time.
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:28.762
I'm a little kid.
00:40:28.762 --> 00:40:33.711
I got there and it was good to see her.
00:40:33.751 --> 00:40:36.987
So we had a lot of friends in common and there was posting online.
00:40:36.987 --> 00:40:45.644
Everyone was talking about how terrible she was doing and I you know something I did after I was there I mean, even before I went there I posted.
00:40:45.644 --> 00:40:57.812
I said no, she's doing good, she's getting ready to transition, and these are also a lot of spiritual people, so it's there's something in us that doesn't want people to die and I understand that.
00:40:57.812 --> 00:40:59.787
I mean, my mom died a long time ago.
00:40:59.787 --> 00:41:06.912
There's still times I really miss her, even though I know she's doing phenomenally well in the spirit, there's still times I miss her.
00:41:06.912 --> 00:41:17.047
So I was there and this woman she asked me to work on her and so I did some hands on stuff and help balance her body.
00:41:17.047 --> 00:41:19.436
It got her to be very peaceful.
00:41:19.436 --> 00:41:26.387
But what was going on there was her family was there and even our friends were so anxious about her passing away.
00:41:26.387 --> 00:41:28.657
They were like almost stopping her from passing.
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:30.963
And that was not a good thing for her.
00:41:30.963 --> 00:41:41.367
So I worked on her and something that happened was she, her mom, kept saying oh, you should leave because we only have a certain amount of visiting passes so the family could come.
00:41:41.367 --> 00:41:49.784
And at some point this woman who was like in bed you know talking very softly in this loud voice that I, she said stay.
00:41:49.784 --> 00:41:59.381
Like she grabbed my and then her mother was like okay, and then so I worked on her a bit longer than when I knew she was lined up and ready to go.
00:41:59.381 --> 00:42:02.610
I left and then she, she passed away a little while later.
00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:23.963
It's a very a beautiful experience and but maintaining that peace for me and for her, when everyone around and it was in the city, you know it was hard and talking, and you know that's not so I'm smiling, but it's there was something very beautiful about it really.
00:42:25.246 --> 00:42:28.012
Well, you, you, we don't want to let people go.
00:42:28.012 --> 00:42:28.882
Yeah, that's.
00:42:28.882 --> 00:42:30.887
That's, I think, a natural part of being human.
00:42:30.887 --> 00:42:32.443
I think there's a lot, a lot to that.
00:42:32.443 --> 00:42:34.131
We, we miss them in the physical.
00:42:34.131 --> 00:42:39.827
There's also a little bit of fear, right, because are they going to be okay?
00:42:39.827 --> 00:42:40.750
Are they okay?
00:42:40.750 --> 00:42:47.202
So what do you say to people that still have that fear about where their loved ones are and where they're going?
00:42:49.082 --> 00:42:52.032
Um, well, I try to explain to them.
00:42:52.032 --> 00:42:56.108
But I totally understand, because when I'm in a certain space I can connect to that.
00:42:56.108 --> 00:42:58.396
I don't do that 24 seven.
00:42:58.396 --> 00:43:03.673
So there are times that I get into that place of just the physical level.
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So one thing I do like I've had a number of experiences where I encourage someone who was my client and they had a relative who was about to pass, to go tell the their relative that it's okay to die.
00:43:18.784 --> 00:43:28.552
And I have a handful of times where they passed away within an hour kind of thing, cause they're um, so what do I tell them?
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I do so when I work with people, I kind of hold this energy around them and when they feel it, they get it.
00:43:36.863 --> 00:43:39.695
So there's not so much words about it.
00:43:39.695 --> 00:43:42.546
And no matter, you know, you could say they're in a better place.
00:43:42.546 --> 00:43:53.688
And sometimes I say that almost in a joking around way because so many people say it who don't connect, they don't really know that, but they say it anyway.
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And then I say, but it's true.
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And when I say it's true with my heart, people get it.
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Um, there was, you know, this woman, she they were actually, she was actually in England and her son, I don't remember how old he was, but he was either his late teens, early twenties died in a tractor accident.
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And so one of my clients suggested she talk to me and it was kind of interesting to see because the son, who did not live a very spiritual life like he didn't he didn't even go to church, you know, he just didn't do anything.
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But he was in a very high place for someone who just passed away and when I looked it was like he had a past life as an Indian Sikh.
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So he came into this life with all those very high spiritual things, like he lived a very nice life, but more like a simple farmer kind of person.
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You know, it was interesting.
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So I told this to the mother and it seemed to help her for a while.
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But then my the other person who was my client said after a while she went back to being very worried about it so she wasn't able to.
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You know it's hard, it's hard to believe those things when you don't really feel it so directly.
00:45:13.184 --> 00:45:17.032
Well, you made a good point earlier about people say they're in a better place.
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It's so cliche, they say it with you, say it without really knowing.
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So we hear it so often in such an offhand way it can actually make us start to believe.
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Well, maybe it's not really true, you know, and the lessons I hear from NDEs are people are like well, that sounds, it sounds too good to be true, it sounds too fantastic.
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It is too good to be true, it is.
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So, yes, when I connect into that energy like everything is good, but I don't.
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When I'm doing this interview or when I'm working, I'm very connected into it, but that doesn't mean I don't sometimes wake up not feeling that way, and so I do meditation and journal writing, I do Tai Chi and X you know other things to, to strengthen that in me, because the human part of me is strong and it's meant to be strong.
00:46:11.663 --> 00:46:12.769
That's a really excellent point.
00:46:12.769 --> 00:46:14.640
I was telling you before we started recording.
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I just got back from IAINs over the weekend.
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Yeah.
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You know being there for Thursday, friday, saturday energy right.
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The energy is just off the charts and people are standing up on stage and telling us we're all spiritual beings and we're all more powerful than we could possibly imagine and everything is okay.
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And then one person got up to ask the question.
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She said I come to this conference and I'm feeling it right now, but I'm going to go home next week and I'm going to forget it all, and that's just part of being human.
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That's the natural human condition.
00:46:44.923 --> 00:46:56.860
So when you make it a priority but I do, I mean I make sure I do that every day because there's just days Plus I mean we're talking about the positive, nice things in spirit.
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There are the negative powers that come in and don't want us to feel that.
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So it their look.
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The negative things are looking for openings to make us doubt and worry about it.
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So we'll talk about the negative things that are here to make us doubt.
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Well, I usually don't go into it too much because people start thinking about things they've seen in movies.
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And it's usually in the same way the positive things are very subtle, the negative things are subtle.
00:47:24.922 --> 00:47:44.777
Well, today I was having this thing and I was doing some Tai Chi and I just felt a lot of worry there and I go, oh, see when I can separate from it, and go, oh, there's the negative energy trying to pressure me to not feel in my heart and not feel in the spirit.
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Then I can kind of put it aside.
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So what I do is I'll ask for the light to come in to try to get rid of that and dissolve it.
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Like I said, Jesus is usually the go-to, so I usually start with the light of the Christ.
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But any of the archangels, any of the saints, there are other things in spirit.
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There was someone who was talking to me about Guru Mai from Siddhiyoga yesterday.
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So there's the whole Hindi, there's the divas and all the Hindi and there's a lot of their spiritual, positive, spiritual beings from all religions that we ask to come in and help us.
00:48:24.528 --> 00:48:27.358
Yeah, that's fascinating, considering just again.
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I was at IONS last week and I was teaching a workshop on something called Positive Intelligence and we have the Sage and we have what we call the saboteurs, and it's a scientifically based program and I take it and I teach it, but I always tell people that are open to this it's a very spiritual program as well.
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So from what you're saying, I can see the saboteurs as being some of these negative energies you're talking about.
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They're very subtle, they're just like our own thoughts.
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They're not, you know, poultry.
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They kind of amp up our negative thoughts.
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Yeah, they kind of amp up our negative thoughts.
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But we can come at that from that Sage perspective, the higher perspective, and when we start to recognize it, yes, and it is like there's a certain surrender in there, because you can't go against those things, because againstness is part of the negative stuff.
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So you have to be.
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It's almost surrendering, but surrendering more to the light of the Christ, to Abraham or Buddha, whatever that is for you, and you invite those energies in and that they come in because they are inherently there to help us.
00:49:34.928 --> 00:49:38.443
So all we have to do is ask yeah that's awesome.
00:49:38.947 --> 00:49:40.440
I think that's a really good point.
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I'm glad you brought that up because and I know we hesitate to talk about the negative because the human mind will focus on that right, we'll do all this, talking about everything is good and everything is positive, and then some of them will take away from it, but it is.
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Others use negative energies I need to look out for.
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Right.
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So, yes, it's a little tricky, and even doing the clearing that I do, so I help with people, that I always do that where I'll get rid of the negative stuff.
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That's there, and I don't talk about it too much to people just because of what you're saying.
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You're too focused on getting rid of the negative things.
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There's a certain against this there and that's not what we're doing.
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We're clearing the path for this very positive thing and it's like I'm choosing into this, I'm choosing into God, I'm choosing into love, and then you know, and let me just gently push the other things out of the way, kind of things.
00:50:38.785 --> 00:50:41.579
So I was looking at your website earlier and you have something to call.
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I think it's the L breathing technique.
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Yes, I'm really curious about that.
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It's a great thing.
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That's what I did for my doctoral treatise.
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It's a basic breathing technique that I kind of developed over years of working and then, when I was doing writing my paper, I had to make it a more concrete, defined technique and then do tests on it and it's basically the first part is learning to breathe into your abdomen, which it'd be good for everyone to do that and then there's a little so not.
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The way that teaches you to breathe is something like for most little babies.
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They breathe that way where they're breathing into their abdomen not really their abdomen into the bottom of their lungs and there's a gentle movement in the spine and in the neck.
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So your spine is kind of, when you're breathing in, it's kind of arching, so it helps get more oxygen in.
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By the deeper breathing it gets your spinal fluid moving.
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It is really a great, great thing to do and by practicing for a few usually it takes about three months to really kick in it will change your breathing and the way that you breathe that way.
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Naturally, I added in a part where you breathe in and out through your nose and mouth, and some of that was more based on research.
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But I had also discovered through the years of doing the body work and the work I do when people breathe through their mouth they're more letting go of things and they're letting go of emotions, and then with the research you just get a whole lot more oxygen into your body by doing that.
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So it's kind of like you leave your mouth open a little bit and try to breathe in through your nose and you'll see you breathe in through your nose and mouth at the same time.
00:52:40.715 --> 00:52:41.496
Okay.
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And that's something that we can learn about from you or from your website.
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Yeah, yeah, on my YouTube channel there's an L Breathing video which there are links on my website to my YouTube channel.
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So when you go to the first page of my YouTube channel, if you scroll down, there's two playlists.
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One is all the meditations I've done.
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The other one is it includes one meditation but it includes other self-care techniques and the L breathing is in there.
00:53:13.112 --> 00:53:17.094
Okay, and so I assume the people go to your website they can learn how to work with you.
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You work with people on one and you do it through Zoom.
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Through Zoom mostly.
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Yeah, some people don't like to be seen, so we just talk on the phone.
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That's fine too.
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Okay, so you can do it on the phone as well.
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Yeah, yeah and so yes, I started when my daughter was around two years old and she just turned 19.
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I started I used to have an office in Manhattan and one in Connecticut and her mom was going back to work and I felt like I should be home more for her, so that's when I started working on it.
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It was almost always on the phone back then.
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It's mostly on video.
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Interesting Because a lot of people and I found out that people can do stuff energetically over the phone, over Zoom, over whatever it doesn't matter.
00:54:02.288 --> 00:54:06.317
But some people still feel like, you know, I'm not there physically.
00:54:06.697 --> 00:54:12.065
Yeah, no, I think it makes it more magical and I joke around even so.
00:54:12.065 --> 00:54:13.951
Someone in Japan the other day.
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So it was a different day and in my sci-fi mind it's like time travel.
00:54:20.309 --> 00:54:24.030
Yeah, it's always fun, so tell people where they can find you.
00:54:24.731 --> 00:54:27.751
Okay yeah, my website is laurenzbrockcom.
00:54:27.751 --> 00:54:31.271
My YouTube channel is Dr Lawrence Brock.
00:54:31.271 --> 00:54:36.134
I have a TikTok, doc L Brock.
00:54:36.134 --> 00:54:48.188
I used to have Doc Brock at TikTok but they got a mix up with my age and for some reason they think I'm a minor and they won't let me put certain things on there, so I had to open up a new.
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I can give you my phone number.
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You can text me or send a WhatsApp message is 732-567-6388 in the United States and plus one in the beginning there.
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Yeah, and for everybody I'll put links in the show notes.
00:55:06.608 --> 00:55:09.032
But as Lawrence, it's L a u r e n c.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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And Brock B R O C K.
00:55:12.278 --> 00:55:16.574
Yes, Dr Brock, any final message you'd like to leave with our listeners today?
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I really encourage people to do journal writing and meditating.
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That's really important and you don't have to do them perfectly.
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Definitely meditation.
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I've been meditating most days for 40 years and there are days where it's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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I got to answer my phone.
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I have to do this, but still taking that time for you and your relationship with spirit, with source, with God, whatever you call that, that's really important.
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So even if you don't judge yourself how bad you meditate, with practice it gets easier.
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But then sometimes our mind is full of stuff, so it's taking that time.
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That and journal writing I can't impress enough on people to do that.
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But thank you.
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I think that's a very important message to give to people and to hear someone like yourself, who's had the experience that you've had and who works with these energies every day, on a daily basis, that you still have to stay grounded in that meditation.
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Yes, If you think you've done, you're not Just this.
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Yes, you can see I start.
00:56:23.510 --> 00:56:30.260
So in that same playlist there's meditation, there's journal writing.
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To integrate the journal writing with the breathing.
00:56:33.490 --> 00:56:34.434
That's really cool.
00:56:34.434 --> 00:56:37.693
So like you write out some things and then you breathe.
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You write out some things and then you breathe to help balance.
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That's really awesome, awesome.
00:56:43.405 --> 00:56:50.030
So definitely go check out the YouTube channel, check out your website and, if you feel like you need some healing, reach out to Dr Brock.
00:56:50.711 --> 00:56:51.713
Sounds good, thank you.
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All right Well thanks for being here today.
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You're welcome.
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It's a pleasure.
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