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#158 - Finding My Voice, My Freedom, and My Truth in Medicine

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

They told me no over and over. But I kept searching. And I didn’t stop until I found what I knew was possible. Freedom, healing, and truth.

In this episode, I share my story with Bre Wilson, from growing up in China under harsh restrictions to sneaking into libraries to chase a dream, to finally arriving in the U.S. and realizing the fight had only just begun.

You’ll hear how I navigated an abusive marriage, an unforgiving medical system, and the deep, soul-level desire to heal others beyond what conventional models allowed.

I talk about why I chose psychiatry, how I fell in love with Eastern and Western approaches to medicine, and how stem cells became the ultimate integration of everything I believe in.

This deeply personal story is for anyone who knows deep down there’s more. More to life. More to healing. More than what you’re meant for.

I hope my journey reminds you to keep searching. There’s something worth finding on the other side.

🎧 Listen now. 

Key Takeaways

Introduction (00:00)

Overcoming obstacles to study abroad (02:55)

Rejection and resilience (08:38)

Life in America and early challenges (16:20)

Transition to medical school and stem cell therapy (34:02)

Challenges in integrative medicine (44:13)

Personal growth and spiritual connection (53:35)

The role of information and freedom (53:51)

Impact of stem cell therapy (59:41)

Additional Resources:

✨ Learn more about how to live a long and pain-free life: https://joykongmd.com/ 

✨ Follow me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/stemcelldrjoy/ 

✨ Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr_joy_kong/ 

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Dr. Joy Kong is a regenerative medicine and anti-aging expert. Her podcast is part of her mission to reduce suffering and elevate happiness. Join us every week for the latest holistic health insights that will help you live a long and pain-free life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the putty of holistic approach because the cells connect your body, connect everything, and since you massive amount of information, it gives you all kinds of peptides, all kinds of cytokines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all kinds of microRNA growth factors, and they can hit all these different systems all at once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what could be more powerful than the intelligence that made us, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So talk about looking at the system as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we have the epitome,
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[SPEAKER_00]: of holistic approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Dr. Joy Kong podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where I have a chance to share with you some of the latest developments in the space of holistic health, longevity, and wellness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always honored intellectual curiosity and scientific rigor, combined with real world practicality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My goal is that what you learn here will help you live longer and live better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope you enjoy the journey with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like to start if you're okay with that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: before you became, you know, Dr. Kong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were born and raised in China.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, actually on the University campus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I started out pretty lucky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though some people say, well, it was a thorough world country, well, I was pretty done lucky that I was born on the University campus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's considered one of the best universities in China, my dad's professor, my mom's the high school teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was born into a very intellectual environment and the University was built on a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: older royal garden that was transformed by the American missionaries into a university campus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a combination of eastern western architecture and all these ponds and, you know, little mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's an amazing place to grow up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But do I have challenges?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my own mother was a challenge for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a lot of mothers in China.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe in a lot of cultures, there is a sense of being judgmental, or whatever people have their own past life experiences that may not have done them too much good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're carrying that onto the next generation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was one of my challenges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, despite her many, many merits, she was very judgmental and can be very harsh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I had to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, you know, things went fairly well and I wanted to come to the US to study because my parents were teachers and they have remarkable students.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all these great brain power, they tend to leave China, especially at that time,
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[SPEAKER_00]: 80s, early 90s was far behind what the West is doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was definitely third world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of young Chinese are leaving and going abroad to seek opportunities and excitement and abundance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to come to America as well because I heard about how exciting
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[SPEAKER_00]: life could be overseas and of course I saw movies and all that so I wanted to come to America and I decided to go for it and I worked very, very hard for it because I was facing bureaucracy it was very difficult every step of the way so I just I knew the final destination which which is to get a visa so it first you have to get a passport, but how do you get a passport?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and how do you apply for visa and how do you apply for schools?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do I send my information?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have any access to the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only place that has information of the schools were in one library in Beijing, the capital library, and there's in, was a cliff note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember exactly which big book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not allowed to enter that library.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just saying that there are all kinds of restrictions, right, in a Roblox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my first step is to get to that book and then they wouldn't let me in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to pretend I pulled a 007.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I waved my student ID as if that was valid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you had to go in with confidence, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was writing my bicycle as on my bike,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I decars my college student ID card and the guard let me in, but still I couldn't enter into the library proper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I ended up going behind the library, sneaking around, finding a back door to enter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I snuck into the library and actually went through the kitchen to get to the library proper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: schools that offered scholarships to international students.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I started and of course just the application fee, you know, one for two one school, that's like two months of my parents salary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to write a letter asking them for, please, you know, can you wave the application fee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just step by step, right, every step of the way, you know, overcome, overcome, keep getting closer to your goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you were literally hunting for information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I was a hunter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: While you can, well, it's incredible to me that I'm sure when you tell that story, you can remember like going, it's probably vivid for you, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, continue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember, you know, beautiful sunny day writing my bicycle, pretending that I'm actually, I actually belonged in the library and sneaking in, it's kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't remember when you think back to, that's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so even with all that, you know, getting my transcripts and, you know, every step, it was difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And studying for the TOEFL test, the English, you know, competence, so I worked very, very hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it took 18 months for me to actually get a scholarship from university's
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[SPEAKER_00]: $10,000 scholarship, you know, I thought that was great, and there were still many missing, you know, pay for the education, but I was going to work my ass off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to go to a Chinese restaurant, and that's how most Chinese do it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You bust tables, you watch dishes, I was willing to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could, um, and also learned at your pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that medicine and, you know, the human body, the human healing, that's already kind of part of what
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I learned from this master of acupressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, oh my goodness, I can do this, you know, pressuring different acupuncture points and through different massage methods and through manipulation of energy system, I can help so many conditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why don't I just go to America?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would charge 20 bucks a session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it all planned out, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got 20 bucks a session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, of course, I can get through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll be able to take part everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then very confident, very confidently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One to the embassy to get my visa, my parents went with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember they were hiding the cash and all over their different in different pockets because we were going to go right right to the mall afterwards to get me myself a suitcase and also some clothes because I had almost no clothes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we buy one piece of new clothes a year, so we have very little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I stood in front of the embassy and that's when the consulate, you know, the whatever consulate just doubted me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why I wanted to go to America?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and doubted how the person that was signing the affidavit of support, right, a financial kind of, a guaranteed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really just a piece of paper, but legally there's some binding that this person will take care of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was given by my mom's student.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he did not believe that the student of my mom's would be willing to take on that responsibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he stamped it denied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my entire dream, right, working for 18 months, right, from every step of the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very crushing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was in shock and very, very disappointed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like somebody just slapped me on the face and telling you that your dream is, you know, too bad, you had a dream.
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[UNKNOWN]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was feeling down for about three days, and I got really angry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My anger came from, it's just who are they to tell me no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who gave them the right to stop me from where I feel I belong of what I think my life should be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should not have that kind of control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what can I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm pissed off, because I wasn't gonna take that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna do everything in my power to get to where I needed to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was that really the anger that was driving me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of like turn that into like, you ultimize that into like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: action and like tenacity, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that moment of anger, I was looking at the situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I was denied was not because I wasn't smart enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have good enough grades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only because I won.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have any money to the affidavit support was
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[SPEAKER_00]: because the person that was writing the affidavit was not, you know, I guess, strong enough in their eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, which was the heart part, which is no somebody, no somebody in America that's willing to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just didn't have access, you know, my families didn't have any connections, and we didn't know anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only people we knew were students of my parents,
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[SPEAKER_00]: someone like I remember a friend of my mom's friend who is British couple and it was very it was somewhat humiliating because I remember my mom took me to meet this British couple and they basically just like you know they they didn't really have any interest and
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[SPEAKER_00]: and kind of looked down upon us as these poor, resourceless people in this thorough country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was, you know, I remembered that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, but this is temporary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, you know, you just wait, but that's a thing that I didn't know anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what should I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my conclusion is obvious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to know somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so we'll make up and write.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I did was that I took the yellow fages of Beijing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, why am I going to know somebody?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to know someone by the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I just, yeah, it's, it's, it's, you logical, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you, like, how are you going to do it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, because I didn't know anybody I have to start somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I just started calling the best hotels in China randomly, like, like the in Beijing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just called, what and after another, I called different rooms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: hoping to find somebody, if I figured if they speak Chinese, I'll ask if they want to learn English because my English is pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they speak English and now ask if they want to learn Chinese, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my pick-up line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, but like you said, it's, I don't know, but I'm going to figure it out one step at a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the venture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know idea who I'm gonna run into was gonna happen, well let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote about it in my book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I met as a few freaks in a sense, not very good situation that I got myself into, but I got out, out, out, out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just interesting kind of life snippets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I ended up meeting somebody that actually worked for a travel agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's inside the hotel, and that's how I eventually got the job as a tour guide to Tibet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a dramatic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trekking for three weeks in the Himalayans toward Mount Everest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So going from a college student, you know, with no resources, not even allowed to work, like it's prohibited at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to leading a group of Americans, trekking the Himalayans,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But people have to read the book to find out what happened next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure along those, you're literally on a literal journey, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where you're having all the, you're hitting all these roadblocks, so you're pivoting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, you had said when before, you're like, when you had those rejections, you said, just wait, just wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's almost like you're, it's not almost like it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a refusal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to not attempt to figure out the next solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like you were just like, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What next, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I know I'm good at is pivoting because I believe pivoting is a sign of life force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the life force within you is so strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what hits you, you're gonna find a way around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so can I be suppressed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And later on, when I met another difficult situation, very difficult, so crashing type of situation, I talked about in the book, how do you get around it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you succumb?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you let it, you know, let you, your, your spirit die or do you actually go for transcendence or, or, or, or liberation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, you could think in your book, like you were mentioning, and I'm going to put a link to all of all of the resources in ways that everybody listening can find out more about you read your book, but it sounds like there are some adventures there in the Himalayas, which yeah, so some soul changing adventures there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, a lot of time in, you know, some time into bet, you know, seeing a different culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, eventually, actually within eight months of my visa rejection, I landed in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that definitely it was faster than I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know how long it was going to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my first glimpse of the power within me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I can do to change my circumstances because I literally was just one of the, whatever, half a billion Chinese women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with no resources and how would I make something happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: but you can make it happen because I remember hearing that if you have a goal and you put it out in the universe, the universe will conspire to help you to make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought about it hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I need to be in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just have to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I believe the universe helped me out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure they're like you said, there were literal obstacles that came in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember what you were saying to yourself in those initial phases when those, like, what kinds of thoughts ran through your head to keep you going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my, I feel in my bones that's part of my destiny and I'm not gonna, I'm just not gonna give up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Believe me, people around me were telling me, why are you trying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just about next to impossible, like why even bother?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't know if I didn't try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I owe it to myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I figured, I'll give myself a year, if nothing happens, okay, then there's a different way to go about it because I was studying architecture at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little different when you ended up, but you started out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I took a year off my school studying architecture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all my classmates were like, why would you, you know, why don't you study architecture at the same time of trying to leave China?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't lose out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what if you can't leave?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I don't, I don't want to deal with what if I'm going to give all my all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm going to do for this whole year, I'm going to get out of this
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, that has a lot of restrictions that like I've all my life I've been a trouble maker all my life to be honest I've had a difficult time getting into these organizations that you know the kids of merits get into so that the young young pioneer that's when you're an elementary school until you're 14 and then the young league that's when I'm 14 to 18
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought we'll get into all of them because I had trouble with rules and and because I have my own ideas and there are things that I feel are the right thing to do there are a lot of rules in China and my I understand that's how you govern a country but to me just in my spirit if a rule does not make sense because I say I'm not observing the rule but I'm not hurting anybody and I'm doing something little differently who are
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[SPEAKER_00]: any of these people to tell me that I can't just in my heart that it doesn't sit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just then to me that's not my rule, that's your rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can imagine that would be extremely challenging as somebody as a woman with an idea that just simply wants to express them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right, or if it wants to cultivate like a happy life, that is adversity within itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just, yeah, so I always felt kind of constricted and the judgment not only from my mother but from people around me and there's just a lot of judgment because you're supposed to conform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love Chinese culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many amazing things about the culture, you know, how why is it is and how, you know, it has collective wisdom and understand how to govern a large number of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is a very, very profound culture, but at the same time, it's not a perfect system, just like America is not a perfect system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some really entitled people who are getting very lazy and that's a whole other conversation, but I wasn't happy
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[SPEAKER_00]: constrictions, I feel to the spirit, and to judge how I should be that I have to be certain way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody has to be this way, other than, you know, otherwise you are weird, you are, you know, to be suspicious of is a lot better these days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are a lot more individualized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They, you know, you know, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: such as reflected, let's say garment, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they have class sizes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to be other ways that then just be one way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the culture is progressing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, when I was there, that was late 80s and early 90s, it was still, to me, I felt stifled, so I wanted to break free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's partially what was driving that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you, so you bounced back within eight months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You said you landed in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a glorious day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a glorious day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My neck of the woods over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just outside the bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the bay area just outside the bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First day straight to go into the bridge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can it be so beautiful this Golden Gate Bridge with the clouds weeding through the red bridge and the ocean the the sailboes underneath I was like what a magical place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, after all the after all that yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you land and take me through the next chapter, like how do the next chapters unfold once you kind of, you can take a breath.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure that's not the end of adversity here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, so I wrote about it in the book, that was hard, so with all the excitement, so a dramatic romance story was actually part of the story, which made it very interesting, a whole other angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as somebody that's inexperienced in relationships, you know, as 20 years old, it didn't really understand how to um, um, you know, evaluate a person and what were the right, right flags.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if a person tells me, they love me, love me, love me, then they must love me and that must be, you know, all that matters, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we love each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this was going to be amazing because if we love each other, we're going to be able to communicate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be able to work problems out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're always going to be trying to do the best for each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can anything be obstacles?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was all I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone comes into this world with their own baggage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether or not is from their parents or from something even deeper in their DNA,
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[SPEAKER_00]: there are limitations in what they can offer in a relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a bit of a rude awakening just because I think I'm willing to give and love that everything's going to be okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think a lot of young people probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: learn it in their own way in their life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're very lucky for you that got a high school sweetheart and that's it, you know, they're happy for the rest of their lives and those are very, very, very rare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that was something that I had to navigate with absolutely no support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was here by myself completely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no, not only, I didn't have my family here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to tell a thing to my family of all the problems, all the troubles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this person I was with, I was actually married to, was making sure that I had as few friends as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was very much objecting for me having my own support system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was extremely isolated and trying to navigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One one hand experienced this person hurting you in various ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, the person keeps telling you how much they love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was very confusing for a young girl with no experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I had to figure out what's going on and what do I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was slowly dying inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do I, do I, because I had a, on the surface had a good life, there was, you know, abundance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, um, yeah, I had, I had resources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this person, you know, it's, it's, it's smart, accomplished, and everything seemed fine on the outside, but I knew that if I continued, that would be the end of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the only way to do it is to, to escape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to get out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I did and that's what I talked about in the book and eventually yes, I try and but not without battle scars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it did leave some scars on me, which I had to overcome later on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't talk about that in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to write the second book to talk about how I try to overcome all these other other things that were keeping me down, not allowing me to be living the fullest happiest life, even though I won these battles, I just need to find time to write the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, that old time thing, you know, it's, you've got a few things on your plate, you know, you're like, where can I carve out some book writing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but thank you for sharing that and I know you're going to detail on your book as well, which I'm
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[SPEAKER_01]: very excited to dive into myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the book is called Tiger Abaging, you know, by the way, people are interested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is on Amazon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's an audible version as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people can drive and listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always try to just, you know, whether that abuse is psychological, physical, you know, spiritual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that this podcast too, it's just incredible to me how many people
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[SPEAKER_01]: both men and women have experienced that and have a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, wait, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's even more shocking when it's something that like you said, it's all behind closed doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything looks fine on paper, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a different reality with relationships behind closed doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes a lot to realize that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because you have the cognitive dissonance, and then actually do something about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the post separation, I mean, there's just, and then the recovery yourself after you're out of it, it's such a hard journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just commend you for being able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I really didn't think I was gonna write a book about my story, but when I met somebody in San Francisco,
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[SPEAKER_00]: after all this happened, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, you know, getting, I got my life kind of back together, back in school, and I met this person who's a, you know, ex-police officer, and I told him about this whole story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, oh, my goodness, he said, joy, you have to write a book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to write this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to share this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of planted the seed in me that I
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually in medical school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I took a year off, you know, I wanted to take a year off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I travel out into Africa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I decided, I'm going to write this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote it pretty fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote two thirds of it, I think within a few months, within five months or something, every day going to Starbucks and just kind of meditate on life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really, really enjoyable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until I got to the part of the abuse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because I keep a journal, so I was going back to read my journal of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could, you know, faithfully document it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got so angry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was reading it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, who wants to read this shit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why would anyone care?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I tossed it and I didn't want to finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So sat there for 17 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until somebody pushed me, you know, after I went into stem cell therapy, became, you know, kind of more, more prominent in this, you know, new Ralph medicine, and somebody really wanted to, to get me, you know, out there to more people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we mention a book and this person was pushing hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you finish it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When can you finish it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like in two months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I finished book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what's interesting was I was going to write it as a novel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I felt this is story to share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a damn good story on its own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it could be a good novel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wrote and wrote and I was writing in third person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at one point, I just got sick of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm tired of talking about she and how she feels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to, I just want to, it's almost like you want to speak from the depth of your gut, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just want to see this is how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, I just said, so what that the whole world knows, that this happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big deal, when they're going to die, nothing matters anyhow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So who gives it to him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: let's just write it and show it to the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what happened to me big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I just change it back, change it to a memoir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's super cool that when you started that you were just like kind of more like now and then that that something comes over the new and and Kudos to you for following that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what does it, it's what happened, it's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the huge success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much power, truth is, it's fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Liberating, so liberating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I love documentaries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that show me what actually happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, there's, there's a lot of drama in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know, again, like, we haven't even gotten to the chapter of your life where you're working as a doctor and stem cell said it's already just so evidence to me that at every phase of your life, you're encountering obstacles of different kinds, rejections, mistreatment, but what seems steady is like what what obviously has carried you through is sort of a refusal to accept that as.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what it's going to be, that's not going to be your story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so continue on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here for a good journey, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're supposed to be here for a good journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've looked at a life and death very early in my life and I just, I ponder about it, you know, why are we here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to die, like what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have to all die?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are we doing here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I've decided very early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to learn, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a place to grow and to gain more understanding
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, just become more enriched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a whole point, then how can I make this life as enriched and interesting and fulfilling as possible?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do something that's useful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always known myself that I wanted to do something in this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never set my goal as been a mother or being someone's wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to do, to bring something to the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that's me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not everybody's life path, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know judgment people who just want to be a mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That feels you makes you happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're lucky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, it just, I can't, I can't suppress that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just who I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel that it's in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this potential, this thing that
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, and then to now that I can't stop doing things, I just need to cut it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's too many things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's like, uh, I'm only starting to feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've just now awakened the beast within me where I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could do this bug, what else do I want it, you know, and like how else could I do and then you can't stop, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite a balancing act of how to do a lot of things you want while having enough time and making sure that you are in a balanced place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a newer lesson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to me is not about trying to get to a place, is about having already, you know, got to a place or a place is, and but still wanting to do more, but how do you actually maintain your sanity and and a sense of peace and joy while doing more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the question, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, in that, I think,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are actively answering that question through what you're doing as a physician, I would say, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That you are, I mean, that inner poll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you've turned into a profession that is actively making an impact on the world through stem cell infusions, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't start out as a stem cell doctor because nobody starts out as a stem cell doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went to UCLA and I was, you know, I've been fascinated by the brain because before I even went to medical school, I thought I was gonna become a professor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in neuroscience, because I liked a brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to study the brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought how amazing, why do we think the way we think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are emotions?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did emotions occur?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how do they rage through the body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how does that affect everything would do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a bit of a mystery, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to study the brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then UCLA, that's when I realized that sometimes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of psychiatry actually makes more of a difference in people's lives in a lot of the disciplines, for example, internal medicine, diabetes, you know, I feel or some other chronic severe illnesses, you know, pulmonary fibrosis, a lot of things that medicine doesn't have a whole lot to offer to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go to a doctor, you have a sense of safety because a doctor tells you what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something can help or something can not help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you are given a sense of finality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, a lot of times the results are not satisfactory because the doctor is not offering a good solution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in psychiatry, what I've seen is that people are getting a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can kick somebody out of psychosis, pretty rapidly, or knock them out of depression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that over and over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I went into psychiatry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for example, neurology, right, I love the brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could go, I could become a neurologist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I realized what I've learned is that is a very depressing specialty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can exercise all your intellectual powers to a diagnose somebody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can locate exactly where in the brain the problem is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the end of what you can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so how is that benefiting the patient?
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[SPEAKER_00]: besides knowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's still, that's not really helping their life quality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I went into psychiatrists, not because I only care about the brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fascinated by the body, by life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I went into medicine, because everything about the body is a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a something to be unraveled, is to understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how the hell do we get in, get this machine that we can operate
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how does it do everything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of times they do everything without us understanding how it works, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's doing its own thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's going on there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want, you know, of course, growing up in China.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom, my mom eventually passed away from lymphoma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she was diagnosed with multiple myeloma when she was 43.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone thought she was dying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she, everyone thought she was dying, she was in the hospital in the best tumor hospital in China and stayed there for six months, getting six rounds of chemotherapy, lost most of her hair and was miserable with blackened veins and
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[SPEAKER_00]: most of the patients with similar diagnosis on the same ward, they've all died, they've been carried out on a stretcher after being treated, you know, treated with these chemotherapy very harsh agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she got so sick of it of seeing herself not getting better and people dying all around her and she said, you know, give me out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of the hospital, so I'm not doing chemotherapy anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went to a Chinese medicine doctor and she got the Chinese diagnosis right based on the pulse and the tongue and, you know, the whole whole other system and he was also specialized in immune system immune health so she he looked at what my mom's body her particular constitution needs
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[SPEAKER_00]: and wrote her a formulation of all these herbs and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all she did was that she came back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every morning, she went to the playground because we live in university.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the elementary school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was doing aerobics with a bunch of other middle-aged people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're up early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for an hour, she was dancing around and then she drank this potion twice a day nasty nasty smelling and tasting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's Chinese medicine for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be bitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, they don't think it works, but that's just the concoction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Within six months, everything went back to normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no sign of cancer, kidney function restored to 100% so she went back to work full time for years, for another probably 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she retired and had an amazing good life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and eventually, you know, she, you know, for whatever reason, you know, our life deteriorates, but that that was an experience of a different medical system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even though I love science, I've always loved science, Western medicine is very interesting, but I saw what this whole other system can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when the the traditional system had caused a lot of people to be suffering and miserable and die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my mom took a different route and she recovered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's in the Chinese medicine that the Western medicine didn't know, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they knew they would have
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[SPEAKER_00]: capacity or wisdom in this other form of medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I never forgot that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always thought it's very elegant of what the Chinese medicine's able to do, because it's connecting the body through these energy channels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's looking at the body, not just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, let's just look at your head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's happening your head, your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just look at your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, your eyes actually in Chinese medicine connected to your liver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you start to get angry, you have liver problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to affect your eye because energy actually runs through your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't just isolate different organs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me is a system approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not that molecular approach is bad and doesn't work, but it's only a piece of the puzzle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you don't zoom out and look at the whole piece, you're never going to solve the problem in a very effective way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what had always kind of kept me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I want to learn Chinese medicines, so that's what I did in medical school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I took electives in Chinese medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to work at East West Medical Center in Santa Monica.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I studied on my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I realized was that the Chinese medical system is very complex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The medicine has its own language that's steeped in history and in the language before science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now we have the language of science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then we have the language of dampness and fire, and so all of a sudden, how do you bring the two together and it was very challenging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was searching and I was looking at integrated medicine and realized that they were using some of the principles of Chinese medicine of looking at the body as a whole, looking at things that connect everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you just look at
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[SPEAKER_00]: all your different organ systems need vitamins, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One vitamin could control many systems or hormones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be systemic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can control different organs and so it connects everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to look at things that can connect?
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[SPEAKER_00]: your entire system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Integrated medicine or functional medicine does that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I thought, okay, this is this is on the right track because you are able finally to zoom out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I have a way of looking at the body, maybe incorporating some of the wisdoms from Chinese medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the language that we can understand, we can understand hormones and minerals and peptides and all these things connect everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we come upon cells stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the epitome of holistic approach, because the cells connect your body, connect everything, and since you vast massive amount of information, all I want is that you need to
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[SPEAKER_00]: it gives you all kinds of peptides, all kinds of cytokines, all kinds of microRNA growth factors, and it can hit all these different systems, all at once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what could be more powerful than the intelligence that made us, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that talk about looking at the system as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we have the epitome of holistic approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm literally, you took the psychiatry, the brain, the neural, like the, you know, the that angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got growing up and like seeing your mom heal and growing up with the culture of Chinese medicine, then you've got the education.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's quite fascinating to see how you've kind of looked at all those different, you've studied in depth
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when it sounds like you came upon this realization that
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way, right, through the cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the experiment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's meant to link things that everywhere, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, if I just say stem cells can solve everything and that's and it'll be all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be falling to the same trap as traditional Western medicine because that's thinking that everything, there's one answer to everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still, you need the vitamins and minerals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need the different antioxidants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need your microbiome to be operating appropriately, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got some imbalance in your the critters in your gut or you've got parasites, all of these things are important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just say, I give you one thing, it solves all the problem that is being a child, that you're not able to think as a mature adult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's the problem I have, the beef I have with current traditional medicine model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that it's still been a child that is not allowing yourself to open up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The important thing is that you accept that you may not know and be open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one problem with the current medicine model and a lot of doctors is that they got their blinders on and they're trapped in the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're also some amazing doctors who are just not satisfied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like me, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was just searching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was searching for answers for my patients and also to help optimize my own health, but a lot of I know a lot of doctors in the integrated space actually had been sick themselves or had a family member that were really sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they tried everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They went to the best specialist in male clinic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody and they weren't getting better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you give up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you try to keep searching?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody says this herb really helps, you don't think you're going to try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you really want to live, you may try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's happened to you, your doctor and that happened to you or your family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The appropriate thing to do is to try to understand how everything this top-gun institutions have failed you But this simple herb helped or the or some kind of simple remedy helped you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You better understand why, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of doctors do have that curiosity and are willing to come in and try to understand why and There are doctors like me who just want to search for a better way of looking at how we can heal the body, but just be careful
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, your listeners are white range of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some may still be trapped in this belief of the conventional medical model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If something is not approved by the FDA, then it can't be good enough, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a whole other conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a big fan of the FDA when I was in medical school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually thanking the FDA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, thank God, we have the FDA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, my perspective has changed, knowing what is going on in that particular agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when people are trapped into believing that their doctors know the best,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they have to realize their doctors, our humans, these humans are groomed to give you drugs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their groomed in a sense brainwashed to say that other systems don't work because there's not enough evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They tried to keep trying to put that in me, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I resisted because I know from my own mother that this is real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I've, you know, seen plenty of them, when I was growing up, my mom was always using both Chinese medicine and and conventional, you know, Western medicine in our medicine drawer, they're they're always, um, but two worlds, right, we're all intermingled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but all over the place, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the body, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's something on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a stomach ache, like what's there sometimes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she, she, I should love medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll tell her what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she'll go into Georgia and she'll pull out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never know if she's going to pull out a Chinese medicine or a Western medicine because depends on what you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like one is always superior, so you've got to, yeah, I don't bash conventional medicine, but I also am not arrogant to the point where I think that that conventional medicine has all the answers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to have that growth mindset, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As I mean, it's just not, you know, I think maybe people assume, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, like, oh, my doctor's probably, you know, open-minded to all the things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're doing all the research for me, and then I'll just, but you, you have to advocate for yourself and do that research, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And note, if you're doctor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, doctors are human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no reason for them to know unless they're searching, because I was in that system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I had not searched, I would have been just, I kept going, do my, my thing because we are required to have CME.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're required, so one, one get way to get CME is to go to conferences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you get?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you read articles that's written by the industry or you go to a conference that's sponsored by the industry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's all drug oriented.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no reason to let you skip out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why would they want to teach you something that tells you that you don't need to drug?
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[SPEAKER_00]: when the whole point is that they really want you to use drug and that's our entire education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you see how late?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have an hour of a nutrition and the rest of the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't care about preventing you from getting sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Prevention medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They mentioned it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's something that's it's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we weren't taught how to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were told, yeah, there's preventative medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we really should prevent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's lip service because we don't know how to prevent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even know about nutrition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we're taught is, once the patient gets sick, now you can rent all these tests, you can do all these imaging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can find out exactly what the diagnosis is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason, well, not the only reason I guess, but the most important reason, whether the most important reasons to find the diagnosis is that diagnosis will give you medications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you got direct correlation, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole point about medications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every medication is approved for a particular diagnosis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the locked in system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why now doing integrated medicine is hard or people who are doing selling supplements is difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though we know something has been very beneficial for the body, but we can't make claims because claims are related to conditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the moment you mentioned condition, now you're infringing upon the territory of the drug companies because they've spent the money,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they have spend the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one reason that they have the advantage, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've spent the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it takes average 2.1 billion dollars to take a drug to market, they have a very important mission to recover that money, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that will come out at you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to get people on that medication, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quick, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to get people on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they will love to keep you on it for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the thing that I didn't, I realized I was a flaw in the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want people to get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, just, just, my sense of integrity as a doctor, as I went into this because I really feel that I can help people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then why don't I just do my job and try to help people as much as I can?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I see a system as not being very effective, then I'm gonna find a different way of helping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you said in the beginning, growing up,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's their rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not your you're you're saying something where you're like wait a second But that doesn't make sense like for you if you want to just automatically do that and but what about like It's I'm just so glad and so grateful for doctors like you like thank you as someone who has
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[SPEAKER_01]: No medicinal knowledge other than, you know, some classes in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just really appreciate that there are doctors like you who aren't afraid to rock the bow and like be like, wait, wait, but this doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not without risks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's professional attack, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, when I went into stem cell therapy, my prior colleague who's a co-resident in a psychiatry residency was telling people that I lost my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, no, I think I just found my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever narrative you want, I'm going to go ahead and get busy with people here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the fact that the therapies are not in the conventional sense, so there's always the different entities governing bodies that could be breathing down your neck, and also it's a known fact in the integrated medicine space that some of the most well-known integrated medicine doctors, especially cancer doctors, have died mysteriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quite a significant number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen, I've seen some headlines about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's, yeah, so the risk is real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but is it right thing to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it sits, like you said, what are we here for?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if speaking the truth, like, I don't think you've been one to shy away from truth that sounds like you were born with this desire to just find it, pursue it and let people at least,
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[SPEAKER_01]: know about it and make their own decisions about what they want to do with their but like right like if them the information like you were speaking into the library just let me have access to information it's it's like scary that that that's really disturbing and not okay that these
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just the suppression of information and control and money and yeah, and I got a taste of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just funny is sad, you know, you're talking to somebody that came from a country that they're where I felt suppressed, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I felt there are certain like I'm not able to get information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, things are way, way, way better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I came to this country because I thought America what a beautiful concept because people can't actually be free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People all races come together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They actually learn to get along together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They respect each other where this melting pot and we can express ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can be free to speak without repercussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But guess what happened during COVID?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not feel that I could actually speak my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My channel probably would be shut down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I had one video taken down, you know, I got a strike because of one sentence of just speaking our mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've become, I've known, yeah, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my bubble was burst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a reality that we need to talk about and keep it real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we want this country to be a place where information first flows freely, you've got to call out when someone's censoring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's my worst nightmare is being censored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a chatty person with a lot of opinions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to hear every, that's the beauty of this country is like being able to freely
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's test it, let's try it, let's write, but that corruption of the unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That said, I'm still very grateful and appreciative that I'm here, not because there is a lot of level of freedom and it does allow people to reach their dreams because I have done
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, something wonderful in my life to reach for that American dream, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I actually achieved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the country gives tremendous opportunity and allows you that latitude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can be anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go to school, you can go to school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, that's not true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not true in every country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In China, you bust your, your head open to try to get into a college because the competition is so high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The year when I was entering college is one in seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of the high school graduate can go to college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone in college, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A nightmare was the easy one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The year behind, yeah, after me, was one in 13.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just because you want to be a college student, doesn't mean that you can get in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very limited on what you can choose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the US, that's what, you know, that's, I majored in
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[SPEAKER_00]: a photojournalism when I first came here, I was like, I can be anything I want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a wonderful thing about this country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that I can do stem cell therapy in this country freely, I have to thank the system because the system has certain protection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of doctors who are, like me, what we're doing is that we're providing tissue transplant, because we, as doctors, are able to transplant one person's organ or cells into another person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of the practice in medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So because of that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: philosophy and that approach, I'm able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look at how many people I've helped, look at how many doctors I've trained and how many people they have helped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're creating a wave because of this latitude, because of this we can do it, but that's not true in every country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not with it's it's you're grateful to have that opportunity, yet it doesn't come out, come without its adversity within any system, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but what a beautiful country that we can
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[SPEAKER_01]: have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we need to be grateful, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's incredible to hear that what you're doing is having that ripple effect where you can actually like fascinating the science behind it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like, you know, we could talk for hours about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I think it comes to comes down to like being able to have information freely flow and being able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: have that curiosity and if like a government or a body is suppressing that, it's going to change the whole world, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just again, I commend you for taking on that and having that courage because it's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not easy to bear that kind of criticism and sort of attacks when you know what you're doing is helping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got made me a rebel for a good reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I'm only beginning here, but just through the podcast, you see that the human spirit can withstand quite a lot, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you've got not to say that it's, you know, not extremely difficult at times, but what I have learned and what what I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: That tenacity in that will and that spirit can get you a hell of a long way through like a lot of really, really hard stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there any sort of message you'd like to leave just with with our listeners about anything that you've said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any kind of part parting words for us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, keep searching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people when I have gone through, um, actually, when I, when I talked about having battle scars after, um, winning battles, yeah, uh, it's, it's for, it's very real because I've dealt with depression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I come out at the other side, winning, but I remember actually in medical school, that's when I first really kind of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: fall into a very down to the point where I thought I was 29 years old, I thought I don't think I'll ever be happy again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see how because I was stuck, I was stuck in my mind in my way of looking at the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I didn't think because I thought I wasn't good enough, so then how do you get out of that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, was there a solution if I just wasn't good enough?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you thought it wasn't you weren't good enough like what is good enough so that's that that that that that switch right you have to get over that gear and but you don't get over if you don't keep searching so I kept searching I kept reading books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to a psychologist, I debated with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why I wasn't good enough?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told me why I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were fighting it out, so eventually he made me see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why are we here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who gave you the idea that you weren't?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's good enough?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just going through, yeah, you have to peel the onion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So eventually you get over that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one hurdle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Psychological hurdle is one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right, you're in trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another, that how to deal with your pattern of reacting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then physical barrier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not having the right nutrition, the right elements in your body, then you can't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you overcome that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And another thing really important is spiritual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you know why you're here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you think you're here, just to grab anything you can before you go, you know, that you're gonna just for physical satisfaction, then you're gonna have a whole different way of living.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people live that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll just, you know, eat the best food and, you know, have the best sex and, you know, have best people on my arm to show off, you know, that's a different way of living than other ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why would you live in another way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you have a reason to do that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you have any spiritual connection, any reasons why you will do something to help the world?
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be connected with others in a meaningful way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all that has to be worked out, and that's layer by layer by layer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening to this episode, hope you enjoy the content, and if so, please rate and follow this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To reach me, you can contact uplift longevity center, and that is uplift with a why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also subscribe to my YouTube channel, Joy Kong MD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you next time,

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